mckinnon- email via cc/bcc the 74 betrayers

[apekteina lordosis]

as you are probably aware 74 labour members of parliament, who had previously given written pledges of support to gary mckinnon, turned round and voted against a opposition motion, which called for the government to review the extradition act of 2003, thus betraying gary.

the uk parliament website only gives the great unwashed of the uk the opportunity to email their own constituency mp, and the house of commons has a "protocol" where by members of parliament are only obliged to answer emails from their constituents... but hey! it is certainly ain't against the law for people to "cc" or "bcc" as many members of parliament as they like! even if they don't reply, they still receive the email regardless.

seeing as though these spineless 74 labour members of parliament have betrayed gary mckinnon perhaps all of us in the uk and indeed the rest of the world who are appalled by their behaviour, should each fire off one email, "cc'd" or "bcc'd" to everyone of those 74 cowardly turncoats.

if you are not familiar with "cc" or "bcc" with emails, well basically "cc" is generally the field below "to:" and "bcc" the field below "cc". if you "cc" an email to other email addys each recipient gets to see all the other recipients email addys, however if you "bcc" the email addys then the recipient only views their own email addy. as for the "to:" field for this "exercise" you might want to just put your own email addy in or perhaps it might be better to "to:" it here editorial@dailymailonline.co.uk (the daily mail are running a gary mckinnon campaign and if this takes off it will give them an idea of the number of emails that would have been sent to the 74).

anyhows here follows the email addresses of the 74 mp who have so badly let gary mckinnon down. some of them have more than one email addy and some of those that have more than one email addy have been included... the more the merrier hey!


*johnlewiss@parliament.uk, andersonda@parliament.uk, austinj@parliament.uk, bentonj@parliament.uk, bettsc@parliament.uk, lyn@lynbrown.org.uk, russell@brownmp.new.labour.org.uk, burdenr@parliament.uk, dawnbutlermp@parliament.uk, saundersma@parliament.uk, daviesq@parliament.uk, deanj@parliament.uk, jimdowd.newlabour@care4free.net, ennisj@parliament.uk, francish@parliament.uk, gerrardn@parliament.uk, godsiffr@parliament.uk, goodmanh@parliament.uk, groganj@parliament.uk, hallp@parliament.uk, heyesd@parliament.uk, hopkinsk@parliament.uk, sue@humblemp.freeserve.co.uk, iddonb@parliament.uk, illsleye@parliament.uk, jacksong@parliament.uk, jenkinsb@parliament.uk, jonesm@parliament.uk, khans@parliament.uk, sadiqkhanmp@parliament.uk, lazarowiczm@parliament.uk, lloydt@parliament.uk, mccarthyk@parliament.uk, mcgovernj@parliament.uk, mcguirea@parliament.uk, maliks@parliament.uk, gordonmarsdenmp@parliament.uk, moffata@parliament.uk, moonm@parliament.uk, morganj@parliament.uk, mudieg@parliament.uk, palmern@parliament.uk, prenticeg@parliament.uk, ruddockj@parliament.uk, ryanj@parliament.uk, salterm@parliament.uk, slaughtera@parliament.uk, smithj@parliament.uk, soulsbyp@parliament.uk, strangg@parliament.uk, taylordl@parliament.uk, turnerd@parliament.uk, visr@parliament.uk, walthol@parliament.uk, wareingr@parliament.uk, bettywilliamsmp@parliament.uk, wrighta@parliament.uk, wrighti@parliament.uk, berryr@parliament.uk, mail@roberta.org.uk, cohenh@parliament.uk, dismorea@parliament.uk, andrewdismoremp@parliament.uk, etheringtonw@parliament.uk, fieldf@parliament.uk, fabian@leedsne.co.uk, hamiltonf@parliament.uk, heppellj@parliament.uk, kilfoylep@parliament.uk, mccaffertyc@parliament.uk, marshallandrewsr@parliament.uk, mullinc@parliament.uk, oharae@parliament.uk, singhm@parliament.uk, woodm@parliament.uk*

if you want to take part in this exercise kindly copy exactly everything inbetween the * at the beginning and the * at the end (but not including the two *'s) and paste it into either the "cc" field or "bcc" field of your email composer. feel free to dream up imaginative ways of concisely telling them what you think of them due to their treatment of gary for the "subject" field and of course more so for the contents of the email itself. perhaps a picture or two as well! and don't forget to tell them it isn't too late for them and all their mp colleagues to pull something out of the bag and have gary mckinnon kept in the uk.

the more people who do this the better, please copy and paste this post or at the least copy and paste the email addys and pass this info on to as many people as possible, either by email or other forums, networking sites, blogs, etc- asking them to take a few minutes to send one email "cc'd" or "bcc'd" to the members of parliament concerned. and don't forget! you don't have to be from the uk to take part, seeing as though so many labour members of the uk parliament are in favour of globalization, well let's show them what that means!


***update***
having investigated a report that some recipients failed to receive mail i've made a few changes to the email addys within the code, however most of of those email addys were corrected and should have gone thru. if you receive replies of non-delivery please pm me and i'll be able to detect if there is a trend or if there is some buffoonery afoot at the other end.

yet to see the above email addys appearing on any other forum on the net (according to the oracle that is google!). come on people! i stayed up all last night trying to get this hot of the press, it would be great if you could go forth and multiply it :) then again this is the "internets"...

[apekteina lordosis]

just checked twitter, 5 of the 74 have accounts should anyone want to tell them how you feel about their betrayal...

http://twitter.com/SadiqKhan
http://twitter.com/KerryMP
http://twitter.com/DewsburyMP
http://twitter.com/tonywrightmp
http://twitter.com/frankfieldteam

[yozhik]

I just received this email, which I am told was also Bcc'd to 74 MP's :rolleyes:
Not sure how that happened :D

Hey Yoz,

Heard about more bullshit from those UK politicians today; it's beyond a joke.
It's time we woke these pathetic, lying, self serving SOB's up!!

What do the Iran War, the Lisbon Treaty and the extradition of Gary McKinnon have in common?
They're all Labour LIES.

We were lied to about WMD's.
We were lied to about a referendum.
... and now 74 Labour MP's have lied about their support for Gary McKinnon.

Let's not even mention the banking bailout scam, fraudulent ID Cards or the expenses scandal.
Seriously; anyone would think these guys are intentionally sabotaging the country and destroying Westminster and the democratic process along with it.

I don't think I've seen any political act of orchestrated demolition more obvious than the one currently being undertaken by the Labour Party ... except maybe for 9/11 and 7/7.

Almost makes you think it is a premeditated act of vandalism to throw us headlong into the Fascist EU State, with that war criminal Fuhrer Blair at the helm.

Hopefully the reports about the Blair Witch having Swine Flu are accurate, rather than just some MSM beatup to further the WHO propaganda ... you have to feel sorry for the virus though ... imagine THAT for an abusive existence!! Living inside Cherie Blair, knowing that if you ever successfully escaped (which you'd DESPERATELY be trying to do), you'd run head first into the Pope's rent boy ... Fuhrer Tony.

First time I've ever had an inkling of sympathy for an alleged virus.

Anyway ... lot's to do my friend.
The only way to beat these terrorists in suits is to spread the TRUTH.

Let's hold those 74 traitors to their pledge to Gary McKinnon first ... then we can keep on with the fight for justice on being lied to and deceived by the fraudsters who dare to claim they act with a mandate from the people! The mandate were the policies, pledges and policies they marketed to us and then intentionally reneged on.

Never again.

If only the guillotine was still available for treason ... maybe these lying toads would not be so quick to suck at the tit of corruption and the promise of European glory.

Talk to you again soon, my friend.

Peace and respect.

[apekteina lordosis]

I just received this email, which I am told was also Bcc'd to 74 MP's :rolleyes:
Not sure how that happened :D

:D ace :D

come one people! the uk government doesn't want the people it is meant to be representing to be mass emailing big swathes of members of parliament and despite being up for globalization they also don't want ordinary people from other countries sending a message to loads of mp via the simple "cc"/"bcc" function. seriously all it takes is a couple of minutes of your time. time to walk the walk... it is completely wrong that gary mckinnon be extradited to the usa for a "crime" allegedly committed in the uk. the moment his extradition is legally sealed it will set a very dangerous precedent regarding extradition due to internet activity. there are already rumblings from politicians on both side of the pond about truth campaigners/activists being classified as "terrorists", and if you post on this forum or others like it then that means you.

"cc"/"bcc"ing members of parliament doesn't just have to be about gary mckinnon, it takes a bit of time to create a list of email addys of mp to copy and paste into your email composer, but once someone has created a list of all 646 members of parliament email addys then that info can be posted on the net, allowing everyone else to utilize it. imagine every member of the house of commons receiving 10 million emails each and every day! there aren't 10 million members on this forum but sure is sure there are at least 10 million people in the uk with internet access who have had enough of these toerag spivs, and there are many more times people around the world who are against uk government policy... all we have to do is get "copy&paste friendly" lists of mp email addys out onto the net with simple written explanations of how to use them- so please, get emailing- this exercise of "cc"/"bcc"ing the 74 betrayers is only the beginning. :)

[wise haven]

Sweet Justice - That Abbot is a snake who slithers around the sofa with Portillo on Thursday night.

[apekteina lordosis]

Sweet Justice - That Abbot is a snake who slithers around the sofa with Portillo on Thursday night.

yeah her dismissive response when broached about voting against the motion was extremely disappointing. personally i think they are all spivs, but diane abbott seemed a slighty more decent one.

the main thing about this is that the accused allegedly committed the crime whilst on uk soil and his tool was the internet. perhaps the mp expenses receipts should be re-checked to see if any of them purchased items from the united states via the internet, and if so start legal preceeding to have them extradited and face trial over there. course it would have to be a uk person living in the usa to do that. :)

[pduffy4]

Sweet Justice - That Abbot is a snake who slithers around the sofa with Portillo on Thursday night.

Abbot is a minger!

[pduffy4]

I have sent a detailed e-mail to my MP Tom Harris, Glasgow South, and cc'd those 74 wankers.

[apekteina lordosis]

I have sent a detailed e-mail to my MP Ton Harris, Glasgow South, and cc'd those 74 wankers.

nice one! :)


by the way people don't feel obliged to comment here if you do "cc"/"bcc" email them, by far the most important thing is for people to be emaiing them. however replies here do help to encourage others and keep the thread bumped. :)

[apekteina lordosis]

thanks for highlighting the delivery failures, shall work to resolve the issues this evening and edit the email list to suit. :)

[illuminumnuts]

I sent the email en masse. I got 2 replies so far. I sent this message:

'I will keep this short and sweet. Shame on you all you self-serving weasels. And this isn't just about Mckinnon, that Act needed to be reviewed.'




One reply was from David Taylor and read:

'The Daily Mail wrongly included me in their list of 'turncoats'; you should not always accept the accuracy of what you read in the national newspapers.'

I emailed him an apology.




The second reply was from Martyn Jones and read:

'Get stuffed.'

He got another email from me which read:

'You rude little man. You are not fit to be an M.P.. Oh dear, I guess you'll be sending the anti-terrorist squad to my house or something for putting you in your place? I have some sugar and tea in my cupboard. Also, I have a photo of Big Ben from when I went to London when I was 12 years old. All very, very suspicious. Who knows what dastardly plan I could conjure up? Mail me 50 billion pounds in some big boxes and I may let you off. I know you probably have the cash spare in some bank account or another... :-0'

I just got another response from Mr. Jones:

'You are the rude little saddo.'

LOL. I think he way well make it on to my 'Ignore List'.



I will update this post if any further replies are forthcoming.

[illuminumnuts]

:D ace :D

come one people! the uk government doesn't want the people it is meant to be representing to be mass emailing big swathes of members of parliament and despite being up for globalization they also don't want ordinary people from other countries sending a message to loads of mp via the simple "cc"/"bcc" function. seriously all it takes is a couple of minutes of your time. time to walk the walk... it is completely wrong that gary mckinnon be extradited to the usa for a "crime" allegedly committed in the uk. the moment his extradition is legally sealed it will set a very dangerous precedent regarding extradition due to internet activity. there are already rumblings from politicians on both side of the pond about truth campaigners/activists being classified as "terrorists", and if you post on this forum or others like it then that means you.

"cc"/"bcc"ing members of parliament doesn't just have to be about gary mckinnon, it takes a bit of time to create a list of email addys of mp to copy and paste into your email composer, but once someone has created a list of all 646 members of parliament email addys then that info can be posted on the net, allowing everyone else to utilize it. imagine every member of the house of commons receiving 10 million emails each and every day! there aren't 10 million members on this forum but sure is sure there are at least 10 million people in the uk with internet access who have had enough of these toerag spivs, and there are many more times people around the world who are against uk government policy... all we have to do is get "copy&paste friendly" lists of mp email addys out onto the net with simple written explanations of how to use them- so please, get emailing- this exercise of "cc"/"bcc"ing the 74 betrayers is only the beginning. :)

Nice idea, but I think we should use emails sparingly or they won't be effective. They will stop using emails for correspondence with the public eventually if they get them on that scale. Sending them millions of letters, yes. Sending one on Mckinnon was a great idea. Wait for the next good cause and send another load.

[apekteina lordosis]

I sent the email en masse. I got 2 replies so far. I sent this message:

'I will keep this short and sweet. Shame on you all you self-serving weasels. And this isn't just about Mckinnon, that Act needed to be reviewed.'




One reply was from David Taylor and read:

'The Daily Mail wrongly included me in their list of 'turncoats'; you should not always accept the accuracy of what you read in the national newspapers.'

I emailed him an apology.



interesting! according to... http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2009-07-15&number=202&display=allvotes
he voted no! aka me thinks he is lying! i shall double check however and report back.




The second reply was from Martyn Jones and read:

'Get stuffed.'

He got another email from me which read:

You rude little man. You are not fit to be an M.P.. Oh dear, I guess you'll be sending the anti-terrorist squad to my house or something for putting you in your place? I have some sugar and tea in my cupboard. Also, I have a photo of Big Ben from when I went to London when I was 12 years old. All very, very suspicious. Who knows what dastardly plan I could conjure up? Mail me £50 billion pounds in some big boxes and I may let you off. I know you probably have the cash spare in some bank account or another... :-0




I will update this post if any further replies are forthcoming.

your reply to martyn jones is brilliant! and starting with "you rude little man"... classic :D




Nice idea, but I think we should use emails sparingly or they won't be effective. They will stop using emails for correspondence with the public eventually if they get them on that scale. Sending them millions of letters, yes. Sending one on Mckinnon was a great idea. Wait for the next good cause and send another load.

good thinking! it would be typical of them to cease emailing with the public given the slightest excuse... besides the general election is creeping up ;)

[them]

My only reply so far to the question;

Dear Sir or Madam

You all wrote that you would vote to support the autism sufferer Gary
Mckinnon and then changed your mind.

Why?

Regards

I'm afraid I'm not allowed to correspond substantively with non-constituents, but this is a copy of the response I sent to a constituent on the same issue. I've also corresponded with Mrs McKinnon's mother on the issue as that's clearly a special case.

Regards

Nick Palmer

The motion I signed was this:

That this House notes the accepted practice of the governments of Israel and the Netherlands of requiring assurances from the US Administration prior to their nationals being deported to face trial in the United States in cases involving defendants suffering from medical or mental health disabilities, that those nationals will be repatriated to serve any sentence imposed by the relevant United States court; and urges the Home Secretary not to permit the extradition to the United States of Mr Gary McKinnon of Palmers Green, London, an Asperger's syndrome sufferer charged with computer misuse in the United States, until such time as she receives express assurances from the US Administration that in the event of his being found guilty and sentenced to a term of imprisonment that administration agrees to the immediate repatriation of Mr McKinnon post trial to serve any such sentence in the United Kingdom.

The motion that I opposed did not refer to Mr McKinnon's illness and was instead urging a review of the extradition system, which might or might not be desirable (I don't personally feel the current arrangements are unreasonable) but would not have helped Mr McKinnon at all. Opponents of the treaty with the US are blurring two quite different issues. I just feel that Aspergers sufferers need particular attention, and the type of crime that Mr McKinnon is accused of probably reflects the condition - without wanting to prejudge his case, the condition is consistent with the image of someone sitting in his room all day obsessively hacking into databases, and I wanted to try to make sure that this aspect was getting proper consideration. Basicaly I don't have a problem with the treaty - I simply felt sorry for Mr McKinnon, who is clearly landed far out of his depth for reasons probably not entirely under his control.

[illuminumnuts]

'(I don't personally feel the current arrangements are unreasonable)'

What a load of tosh!

[apekteina lordosis]

you know maybe it is just my fault for staying up all last night but i am not only having trouble comprehending the reply nick palmer sent to "them", but also the opposition motion itself. some might say it foolish to post that but it's the truth aka a load of legal spiel carefully worded in the opposition motion and a load of legal spiel from nick palmer.

sure the opposition motion didn't mention mckinnon by name but if it had the many other uk people currently facing extradition to the usa might well have turned round and used it as a tool to further put the case forward that the treaty was shite.

he didn't kill anyone, he didn't incite others to kill, he wasn't involved in the import/export of drugs or weapons nor was he involved in online fraud... all he did was puff da herb and go hunting for evidence of unidentified flying objects ffs! his aspergers would mean he probably finds everyday contact with other people very uncomfortable and thus retreating to a land of herb and meaningful (to him) pursuits was most likely the only thing that got him thru the days and nights. seriously can you imagine him in a usa jail surrounded by numerous members of various gangs most of whom will be in da clink for violent crimes? for someone who has difficulty with typical everyday folks who aren't violent it would be a nightmare for him.

[mrmoney]

Are they just torturing this guy for the fun of it? We all know that he is a mediocre hacker at best and poses no threat to anyone.

Just goes to show, all those supporters for Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" bill... imagine if they all betrayed us at the last moment.

[tjohn]

Has anyone got an outline we can modify and send? If I simply wrote what I feel it would likely to be full of 'swear' words against those cowards in government! They call themselves 'honourable gentlemen" but they have no honour except to honour themselves! They call themselves 'Ministers' but they minister only to themselves! And being in fear of the PTB in the US they are downright traitors and cowards towards ordinary people that they say they represent but they consider are beneath them. What a bunch of wan**s our politicians are!

So what did Gary do? He did not let out any National secrets of any government other than finding that there is indeed a conspiracy regarding UFOs! And for this, he could spend 40 or more years in prison, when our governments tell us lie after lie in order to get humanity to kill and murder each other.

Then let's face it, there is a lot to be said for Anarchy and in case some newcomers don't know what that word means, it does not mean chaos as we have been told but means being without governments which as can be plainly seen, are much more interested in serving themselves than us.

Listen you Ba***rds, illegitimate excuses for humanity, your game is up because many are seeing through your cowardly lies and pretence!

What a bunch of stupid ****** they are! They act like clowns in parliment thinking that somehow, we will not notice! Politicians along with religionists, are the scum of the Earth! And they are fuc**g mass murderers! And frankly, they don't deserve a meaningful Fu** nor in fact are they able to have one!

Hey I have an idea! You vote for us and we will vote for you! Fair deal? If you don't vote for us then we will not vote for you. That's fair isn't it?

OK, so I'm angry and upset because I feel for Gary. I also feel for all humanity that is under the scourge of those who say that they are our leaders but in fact dictate to us through their 'laws'.

If I was Garry, I would be very interested in acquiring Freeman status so as to challenge the government by the Law of the Land, then it would be up to the government to prove that he has done real harm or injury to anyone by him simply being curios about UFOs.

[apekteina lordosis]

Has anyone got an outline we can modify and send? If I simply wrote what I feel it would likely to be full of 'swear' words against those cowards in government!

perhaps we could work on some basic points/outline that would be useful to include in an email though i think if we all sent the same worded message it would be easier for "them" to block the incoming emails aka flag it as spam.

fully comprehend your anger and you are right that "swearing" at them wouldn't help, though that's not to say we can't express ourselves creatively getting the same point across sans swear words!

as an outline i put forward that this is about...

1. 74 members of parliament who gave gary mckinnon written pledges of support but then went on to vote "nay" to an opposition motion to review the 2003 extradition act.

2. that the only reason they voted "nay" was because the labour party didn't want to lose yet another vote in the house of commons aka it wasn't democracy, it was a voting choice made purely for the survival of the political party of which they are members.

3. that gary mckinnon didn't kill anyone, he didn't incite others to kill, he wasn't involved in the import/export of drugs or weapons nor was he involved in online fraud... all he did was puff da herb and go hunting for evidence of unidentified flying objects! and that the alleged crimes were instigated on uk soil and thus he should be tried in a uk court on uk soil.

4. that if the usa are successful in extraditing him there is a significant risk this might lead to him taking his own life.

5. that if the usa are successful in extraditing him it will set a dangerous precedent where by "truth-seeking" via the internet will become to be seen as in the same league as terrorism.

any thoughts on the above? please comment with your views, thanks. :)

[godspeed]

gary mckinnon has been threatened with this for 7 yrs....he could have learned the freeman philo and a lot more in that time....i dont think it matters to mps what we have to say anymore....they just do as ordered by more powerful people but if i was gary id run like hell....disappear...incognito....surely were he had the will before he will find the way....good luck mate.....its a bit like....then they came for me ......but this time all the people were appalled by their actions......fight the good fight...dont give up your rights....represent yourself....dont trust any lawyer ...its your life in your hands.....:(

[tjohn]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5853157/Mother-of-Gary-McKinnon-the-hacker-facing-extradition-fears-she-will-never-see-him-again.html

Mother of Gary McKinnon, the hacker facing extradition, fears she will never see him again

The mother of Gary McKinnon, the Briton facing extradition to the United States for hacking into the Pentagon computer systems, spoke last night of her "terror" that she might never see him again.


By Nigel Bunyan

Published: 7:00AM BST 18 Jul 2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01445/_Gary_McKinnon_1445660c.jpg

Gary McKinnon with his mother Janis Sharp outside the High Court Photo: Facundo Arrizabalaga

Janis Sharp, 60, is convinced that if her son is handed over to the Americans he will face a "show trial" and up to 60 years in a penitentiary if convicted.

"As far as I am concerned Gary cannot go," she said at her home in north London. "He would never survive. We have to fight this and fight this."

Mrs Sharp, whose son suffers from a form of autism, has appealed to the Prime Minister to intercede on his behalf.

Campaigners want Mr McKinnon to face trial in his home country for breaking into Nasa and Pentagon networks, rather than sending him to America.

She went on: "I'm terrified of Gary being extradited to the US because at my age I would never see him again if he went there. Even if he served only half the sentence I would be dead before he came out, and if he served a quarter of it I still might not be.

"For Gary himself it would be unbearable. He's a really good guy: a pacifist who has never hurt anyone and never would.

"It frightens me that in prisons over there they use stun guns and male rape is rife.

"Murderers get a couple of years and no one has ever been extradited for computer crime. So why discriminate against a guy who has got Aspergers who admitted to computer misuse without any lawyer being present?"

Mrs Sharp said that Mr McKinnon, who was initially arrested in 2002 and taken into custody again three years later, was in "a very bad state".

"What I heard recently that most upset me is that he can't look into his own eyes when he's shaving in the morning. He feels there is a veil between him and the world.

"It's been seven years now. When they first arrested him they would have had to have proved damage, but they waited until 2004, when they no longer had to do so, to come after him again.

"I think that's totally cynical, but it seems the Americans can get away with anything they like.

"Gary obviously knew what he was doing was wrong. But he felt he was on a moral crusade to discover the truth.

"When the people from the high-tech crime unit arrested him they said 'We've been monitoring your computers for several years and there's been no damage. You're looking at six months' community service'.

"He was suddenly arrested again in June 2005 when they knew they no longer had to prove damage. They can now take any British citizen with an allegation alone.

"Yet if we want to extradite an American we have to prove probable cause which is actually evidence.

"We've refused to extradite Pinochet, we've refused to extradite IRA terrorists and we've refused to extradite Rwandans accused of war crimes.

"Yet it seems at the moment that we can let Gary be taken out there."

Mr McKinnon admits that he hacked into 97 US computers from a bedroom in north London between 2001 and 2002 and left a message on one machine saying: "I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels."

He says he was looking for evidence to show that the authorities have covered up the existence of UFOs.

However, the Americans claim he perpetrated "the biggest military hack of all time" and that it cost them more than $700,000 (£436,000) to repair the damage he caused.

He was originally indicted in 2002 and in 2006 the UK authorities agreed to extradite him to the US for trial.

Since then he has appealed against his extradition to the House of Lords, the European Court of Human Rights and the Home Secretary but each attempt has failed.

Earlier this week he went to the High Court in a bid to force the Director of Public Prosecutions to put him on trial for computer misuse in the UK.

Mrs Sharp, whose campaign has been supported by the Prime Minister's wife, Sarah, has appealed to Gordon Brown to intervene.

"I absolutely wish he would," she said. "We've had seven years of hell and God, we really need a break."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5844788/Barack-Obama-to-be-asked-not-to-extradite-UFO-hacker-Gary-McKinnon.html

Barack Obama to be asked not to extradite UFO hacker Gary McKinnon

Barack Obama is to receive a personal plea from peers, MPs and mental health experts to halt the extradition of a British computer hacker who suffers from a form of autism.

By Martin Beckford
Published: 7:00AM BST 17 Jul 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01248/gary_mckinnon_1248337c.jpg
Gary McKinnon, the British man facing extradition to the US to face trial for breaking into the Pentagon computer systems has been accused of 'the biggest hack of military computers ever' Photo: REUTERS

Campaigners will call on the US president to let Gary McKinnon face trial in his home country for breaking into Nasa and Pentagon networks, rather than sending him to America where he could be jailed for up to 60 years in a high-security prison.

They will say that the 43 year-old has Asperger syndrome – a type of autism that makes him shy and prone to obsessive behaviour – and warn that his condition would likely deteriorate were he to be taken away from his home and family then jailed abroad.

The letter is being written by the National Autistic Society, a leading charity, and the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Autism, a cross-party alliance of MPs and peers that lobbies for better support for sufferers.

A spokesman for the society said: "The group are intending to write to Barack Obama.

"The letter hasn't been drafted yet but it will be finalised in the next couple of days. It may involve asking MPs for signatures."

David Burrowes, Mr McKinnon's local MP in Enfield Southgate, said: "We need to take it further and call upon Barack Obama himself to take action as the pleas have fallen on deaf ears so far."

Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, added: "I think it would be a good idea. I hope that even if the UK authorities feel unable to look again at the case, if it was legally possible for the US to do so, that would be a sensible position to take."

Mr McKinnon admits that he hacked into 97 US computers from a bedroom in north London between 2001 and 2002 and left a message on one machine saying: "I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels."

He says he was looking for evidence to show that the authorities have covered up the existence of UFOs.

However, the Americans claim he perpetrated "the biggest military hack of all time" and that it cost them more than $700,000 (£436,000) to repair the damage he caused.

He was originally indicted in 2002 and in 2006 the UK authorities agreed to extradite him to the US for trial.

Since then he has appealed against his extradition to the House of Lords, the European Court of Human Rights and the Home Secretary but each attempt has failed.

Earlier this week he went to the High Court in a bid to force the Director of Public Prosecutions to put him on trial for computer misuse in the UK.

Judges were told that even though the "eccentric" Mr McKinnon admitted breaking the Computer Misuse Act, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, QC, has said there is insufficient evidence to charge him.

Judgement is expected by the end of July as to whether the decision not to try him in the UK should be subject to a judicial review.

On Wednesday, MPs told Alan Johnson, the new Home Secretary, that his case shows a review is needed of Britain's "unbalanced" extradition treaty with the US.

The Extradition Act 2003 requires the US only to show "reasonable suspicion" that the intended subject committed a crime before they can be removed from Britain, a lower threshold than British authorities must show in order to bring an American to trial.

However the Conservatives' call for a review of the treaty was defeated by 290 votes to 236.

...........
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/phillips/2009/07/18/us-court-is-no-place-for-asperger-s-syndrome-sufferer-gary-mckinnon-115875-21528258/

US court is no place for Asperger’s Syndrome sufferer Gary McKinnon


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By Fiona Phillips 18/07/2009 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/phillips/2009/07/18/)

(http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/phillips/2009/07/18/)
Ranking alongside the refusal to release Ronnie Biggs and Michael Shields from jail, the decision to let Gary McKinnon be taken to the US for trial on charges of computer hacking smacks of a “we’re well ’ard on crime, no matter what” message from the Government.

If only they were hard on the thugs that deserve it, rather than the likes of Mr McKinnon who has Asperger’s Syndrome, a condition which means he needs the comfort of routine and familiarity to function properly.

A sentence of up to 60 years in prison, with disastrous effects on his mental wellbeing, awaits him if he’s found guilty following a trial in America.

Gary has admitted hacking into NASA and Pentagon computers looking for evidence of UFOs and he could have faced trial in this country had MPs had the guts to stand up for him.

They might look tough sending Gary to the US but, sometimes, compassion and understanding are more effective in getting your message across than intellectual thuggery.

[illuminumnuts]

'However, the Americans claim he perpetrated "the biggest military hack of all time" and that it cost them more than $700,000 (£436,000) to repair the damage he caused.'


That's the bit I really like! Like it was $700,000 less money sitting around for them to steal off their taxpayers! Let's ask some U.S. taxpayers what they think about it all.

[tjohn]

'However, the Americans claim he perpetrated "the biggest military hack of all time" and that it cost them more than $700,000 (£436,000) to repair the damage he caused.'

That's the bit I really like! Like it was $700,000 less money sitting around for them to steal off their taxpayers! Let's ask some U.S. taxpayers what they think about it all."the biggest military hack of all time"? $700,000 of damage?

They are liars (no surprise there)! He didn't cause damage, but simply logged on as Admin with the default password and all he did was look at some pictures and typed a message in notepad.

He actually did them a favour, because after that, they would have had to have tighter security than leaving the Admin password on default. And presumably, since then, they have installed effective firewalls which should have been there from the very start.

After seeing the (UFO) Disclosure Project, Gary was checking out what they said and I think that the Disclosure Project should try to help him out and at least pay for a good lawyer. I wrote to them about Gary a few years ago but got no reply.

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[tjohn]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/phillips/2009/07/18/us-court-is-no-place-for-asperger-s-syndrome-sufferer-gary-mckinnon-115875-21528258/?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:c0718efc-2866-46f5-9106-8521648a17c7

http://community.mirror.co.uk/ver1.0/Content/images/no-user-image.gif (http://www.mirror.co.uk/community/profile/?UID=191406-ncms&plckUserId=191406-ncms) SkyWarp (http://www.mirror.co.uk/community/profile/?UID=191406-ncms&plckUserId=191406-ncms) wrote:

Basically the 74 spineless "MP's" decided to turn their backs on Gary. He should be given a medal and a certificate for once again making the US security look like a bunch of morons. He did them a favour and this is what they do to him, making bogus allegations and trumped up charges because he embarrassed them! Gary you a true hero of mine. Also, in regards to the non terrestrial fleet.....even the shuttle commander of Atlantis let it slip live on Nasa TV in 2006! Classic moment!

18/7/2009 21:39 BST

[pduffy4]

Received my first reply from a MP


Dear Peter,

Thank you for your email regarding Gary McKinnon.

I have never signed a motion about Gary McKinnon nor indicated that I would vote against his extradition. Indeed I think it is important that extradition decisions are made properly in the courts with limited interference from both Parliament and the Home Secretary. The case of Gary McKinnon is currently before the courts and it is their duty to assess all the evidence that is presented to them.


The exact text of the Government amendment which I did vote (in favour) of on Wednesday is as follows:


‘That this House notes that it is beneficial to the public to be able to extradite people accused of crimes in another country who might otherwise escape justice and that extradition treaties such as the US-UK Extradition Treaty 2003 work to the significant benefit of both countries; notes that the UK must demonstrate ‘probable cause’ to the US courts while the US must demonstrate ‘reasonable suspicion’ to the UK courts; notes that these tests are broadly equivalent given the differences between the legal systems in the two jurisdictions; recognises the view that ascertaining whether prosecution ought to take place in the UK should be considered by relevant prosecutors at the beginning of the process and not by judges at extradition hearings, which could result in serious criminals evading justice; and further notes that since 2004, people have been convicted on murder, manslaughter and smuggling charges in the UK following extradition from the US, whilst those charged with murder and terrorism offences have been extradited to the USA.’


The exact text of the Tory motion which I vote against is as follows:

‘That this House expresses its very great concern that the Extradition Act 2003 is being undermined by a series of high profile cases that are jeopardising confidence in the extradition system; and calls on the Government to hold immediately a review of the Act with a view to reforming it at the earliest opportunity to deal with the issues of public concern.’


My view has hardened somewhat after the case of the ‘Natwest Three’ who were extradited in 2006 protesting their innocence until they subsequently admitted guilt to wire fraud the following year during plea bargaining. Moreover, I must say I was convinced by Alan Johnson’s argument in the Commons on Wednesday.

You can read the Hansard of this here: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm090715/debtext/90715-0009.htm

I also enclose for your attention the text of a letter from the Home Secretary to all MPs regarding Gary McKinnon.


It may be worth setting out first a brief summary of Mr McKinnon’s alleged offences. He stands accused in the United States of computer offences allegedly committed between February 2001 and March 2002. These involve the unauthorised access from his home computer in London - or “hacking” into some 97 US Army, Navy and NASA computers concerned with national defence, security and naval munitions supplies. Mr McKinnon is alleged to have deleted data, including vital operating system files – causing, amongst other things, the shutting down of the US Military District of Washington’s entire network of over 2000 computers and the rendering inoperable of certain computer systems at a critical period following 11 September 2001. The USA alleges that the conduct was both calculated and intentional; and it states the cost of necessary systems repairs as being $700,000. During interviews under caution, Mr McKinnon admitted responsibility for certain of his alleged actions (although not that he had actually caused damage). He stated that his targets were high level US Army, Navy and Air Force computers and that his ultimate goal was to gain access to the US military classified information network. He also admitted leaving a note on one army computer reading:

“US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days . . . It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year . . . I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels . . .”

The case has been, of course, the subject of much public and media interest and we take careful heed of all the points which have been urged on Mr McKinnon’s behalf. But it is also necessary to make a number of other points. First, that in the scheme of the 2003 Extradition Act, the Home Secretary has an important but limited decision-making role. Indeed, the ‘Act provides that he must order extradition unless one of four conditions is met. (None of those conditions, I should say, arises in Mr McKinnon’s case). Second, that the United Kingdom has important international obligations towards its many extradition partners. It takes those obligations seriously and, within what the law permits, regards it as its duty to render maximum assistance. We expect no less in return from the UK’s extradition partners – consistent with the principle of reciprocity on which extradition arrangements are founded. Third, that the US request for Mr McKinnon’s extradition had already been the subject of very rigorous judicial scrutiny before, last August, there was a supervening diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome – a matter currently before the courts.

Judicial scrutiny of the case to date can be summarised as follows. Mr McKinnon was arrested here for extradition purposes in June 2005. There followed a hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates’ Court where, in an attempt to defeat the US request for his extradition, Mr McKinnon and those acting for him sought to raise certain statutory barriers to surrender. (Those are all set out in the Extradition Act 2003). In May 2006, however, the District Judge concluded that none of those safeguards applied and he accordingly sent the case to the Home Secretary for a decision as to surrender.

At that stage, Mr McKinnon had an opportunity to make representations to Ministers directly against his surrender – but, as above, only on certain limited grounds set out in the ‘Act. And where, as in this case, such representations are found not to be applicable or not to be made out, the law requires the Home Secretary to order surrender. That decision was reached in Mr McKinnon’s case in July 2006.

As was his right, Mr McKinnon then appealed to the High Court, both against the Judge’s decision of May 2006 and that of the Home Secretary in July 2006. The High Court dismissed those appeals in April 2007. Mr McKinnon then took his case to the House of Lords which, in July 2008, also dismissed his appeal. Mr McKinnon then made an application to the European Court of Human Rights which in August 2008 rejected the application.

In this way, you will see that the case had withstood the closest possible judicial scrutiny before a supervening diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome was brought to our attention. Notwithstanding the Home Secretary’s limited role in the process and the late stage in the case at which Asperger’s Syndrome was diagnosed, you will understand that extradition may not take place if to extradite would be incompatible with a person’s rights under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). In these exceptional circumstances, it was therefore agreed to consider fresh representations, including on grounds of Mr McKinnon’s diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome, as to whether the order for Mr McKinnon’s surrender to the USA should be upheld. The Home Secretary gave very careful reconsideration to the case but concluded in October 2008 that the material and evidence relied upon against Mr McKinnon’s extradition to the USA did not engage his rights under the ECHR. Accordingly, there was an obligation under the Extradition Act 2003 to give effect to the order for extradition.

Those acting for Mr McKinnon applied for judicial review of that further decision; and on 23 January the High Court granted Mr McKinnon permission for a judicial review hearing – on grounds limited to the diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome. That hearing took place on 9-10 June in the High Court, and judgment has been reserved.

Separately and during May, Mr McKinnon also lodged a further application for judicial review, this time against a CPS decision in February 2009 not to bring a prosecution against him in the UK. That case has been listed for hearing on 14 July; and the court’s stated intention is then to deliver judgment in both matters together. In the meantime, Mr McKinnon remains on bail.

In these circumstances, you will understand that the case remains before the courts and that it would not be appropriate to comment further upon it at this stage. I nevertheless hope that this background may be of some assistance not only in clarifying our role in the extradition process but also in demonstrating that those acting for Mr McKinnon continue to avail themselves before the courts of every opportunity to contest extradition. In this way, it may clearly be seen that the final outcome of the case and the UK’s treaty obligations are being subjected to the closest attention and to the greatest possible procedural fairness.


Yours sincerely,

John

John Grogan MP
Member for Selby Constituency
House of Commons
London, SW1A 0AA

I have yet to formulate my response. It will take a while to do so.

[pduffy4]

My senond reply

Dear Mr Duffy,

Thank you for your email copied to Lyn Brown MP. I am responding on her behalf.

Ms Brown is not a signatory to Early Day Motions mentioning the specific case of Mr Gary McKinnon, which I assume you are referring to from the content of your email.

I would be grateful if you could provide us with an address, so that I can confirm that you live in West Ham. As you may be aware, there is a parliamentary convention that MPs may only take up issues raised with them by their own constituents.

Regards

David Hemy
Office of Lyn Brown MP

[tjohn]

As you may be aware, there is a parliamentary convention that MPs may only take up issues raised with them by their own constituents.

Regards

David Hemy
Office of Lyn Brown MPIt is not just a local issue, Mr Hemy, rather it is clearly a National one. Your very predictable stock answer that "MPs may only take up issues raised with them by their own constituents," stifles what most people think is, or should be, a democracy.

And with that, the general public looses faith in politicians, who purport to represent the public but they don't. It is said that politicians are leaders but when the general public are forbidden a say in National matters (even if given the full story which is usually not the case), our politicians become dictators.

Then also, politicians as the word implies, are more interested in polices than in the actual Law of the land, nor are they really interested in the opinion of the public and many government Acts and Policies are not the Law of the Land but they are politician 'laws' which dictate to the public, whom are generally ignorant of the difference between polices and the actual Law.

In short, we do not have a true democracy when politicians think they have the right to determine what is right or wrong, not according to Law or public perception but according to their selfish point of view.

[illuminumnuts]

Reply from secretary to Russell Brown:

'Thank you for your e-mail to Russell dated 17 July 2009. I would appreciate if you could let me have your full address within Russell's constituency and also a contact telephone number, this will allow for Russell to reply to your concerns.

Many thanks

Gillian Carey
Secretary to Russell Brown MP'

My response was:

'Just pass on the original message please. I didn't ask for a reply. No need for babysitting.'




Response from John Grogan:

*Same as response to pduffy. See above.*

My response was:

'Waffle, waffle, waffle. That Act needed to be reviewed. Shame on you and good day to you.'





Response from secretary to Lyn Brown:

'Thank you for your email to Lyn Brown MP. I am responding on her behalf. Ms Brown is not a signatory to any Early Day Motions mentioning the specific case of Mr Gary McKinnon, which I assume you are referring to from the content of your email. I would be grateful if you could provide us with an address, so that I can confirm that you live in West Ham. As you may be aware, there is a parliamentary convention that MPs may only take up issues raised with them by their own constituents.
Regards
David Hemy
Office of Lyn Brown MP

My response was:

'Just pass on the original message please. I didn't ask for a reply. No need for babysitting.'




Response from secretary to Anne Moffat:

'I am in receipt of your email regarding the Gary McKinnon Case. In light of the recent report I have in my possession from the Home Office and all the background information supplied within; it is my position to support the Government’s view on this. It is not my personal view to support criminal activity especially when National Security is at stake and will continue to support the relations we currently have between the UK and US. Should you wish to meet to discuss this case further with me, please feel free to contact my office to arrange an appointment and I will happily discuss.
Anne Fraser
For and on behalf of
ANNE MOFFAT MP'

My response was:

'The said Act is undemocratic and needed to be reviewed. You seem to equate criticism of the Act with supporting criminal activity. What utter nonsense. Shame on you and good day to you.'

[apekteina lordosis]

i think some of the replies show that perhaps for such emailing en masse exercises that "cc"ing would be better, as each mp will see that some of their/all of their colleagues would have be sent the same email. ("cc" the recipient views who else has been emailed, "bcc" they only see themselves as emailed).

we are letting those 74 mp know what we think of them no matter what gubbins they reply with and hopefully come another vote on this matter they will make the right vote not based on some party whip giving them hassle, after all it is pretty much a given that labour will not win the next general election and any further siding merely to try and save face for gordon brown in the long term isn't going to do them individually or collectively any favours.

plus this is a good way to develop the mechanics of emailing en masse, seeing what is most effective as a tool to be used in the future for certain projects.

their replies are interesting though innit, they might as well finish their words with "wanna buy some snake-oil that fell off the back of a wagon?". ;)

[illuminumnuts]

interesting! according to... http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2009-07-15&number=202&display=allvotes
he voted no! aka me thinks he is lying! i shall double check however and report back.

Did you follow that up by the way? Just wondered.

[niftymage]

If you are one of my Constituents and can provide your postal address I will send you another side to this story, not the one propagated by the Daily Mail, not exactly a left wing paper. I have written to the SoS on behalf of Mr McKinnon and received his response, which I am sending out to my Constituents.

Best wishes.


Dr. Brian Iddon
Member of Parliament for Bolton South East

[jamston]

The second reply was from Martyn Jones and read:

'Get stuffed.'

He got another email from me which read:

'You rude little man. You are not fit to be an M.P.. Oh dear, I guess you'll be sending the anti-terrorist squad to my house or something for putting you in your place? I have some sugar and tea in my cupboard. Also, I have a photo of Big Ben from when I went to London when I was 12 years old. All very, very suspicious. Who knows what dastardly plan I could conjure up? Mail me 50 billion pounds in some big boxes and I may let you off. I know you probably have the cash spare in some bank account or another... :-0'

I just got another response from Mr. Jones:

'You are the rude little saddo.'

LOL. I think he way well make it on to my 'Ignore List'.


May i have a copy of these emails please and your original .... His office is less than a minute from where i live. As my 'local mp' i certainly have something to say about this. I intend to escalate this to the local paper and also plan to go to his office on this. I might add i never have and never will vote in any uk election, bi, general or any other so i do not truly recognise his 'representative' status. But im certainly willing to expose the lying little shit for what he is to the rest of the local populance.

[illuminumnuts]

May i have a copy of these emails please and your original .... His office is less than a minute from where i live. As my 'local mp' i certainly have something to say about this. I intend to escalate this to the local paper and also plan to go to his office on this. I might add i never have and never will vote in any uk election, bi, general or any other so i do not truly recognise his 'representative' status. But im certainly willing to expose the lying little shit for what he is to the rest of the local populance.

Yes, I see your point. I called him a self-serving weasel, which wasn't pleasant, but I didn't expect to get the replies he gave. They didn't really bother me personally, it's just that they didn't seem to reflect how I thought an M.P. should conduct himself. I am not prepared to give out the original emails, but I swear what I have posted is ***100% factual***. Go to his office and tell him what you think of him. ;) It is a possibility that his secretary sent the email I suppose, but I had some other replies from M.P.'s secretaries and they were clearly addressed as such. His one was as if from the horses mouth.

[jamston]

hmmm
its probably better that i go armed only with the facts. Which im not 100% clear on, as ive been reading the thread ive seen several other mps responses state they never signed anything and we shouldnt believe evrything the bloody daily mail says, good points. But we should also never beleive what the politicians say, obviously. So i'm kind of playing catch up here, ive followed the gary case but not as closely recently, could someone enlighten me as to what exactly happened and if you could be specific about martyn jones that would be much appreciated. I gather they all claimed they would vote against extradition, where and how did the 74 claim this? How much of this is daily mail chest puffing middle england anti labour vitriol?

Im 100% behind gary but i get worried sometimes when the daily mail start backing things, we should remember what this paper is known for.

I will say for the record it sometimes worries me the amount of links icke's headlines has to the mail site, not as a reflection on icke but as a reflection on why is this much 'conspiracy' stuff 'coming out' or ending up there. Im not making any sort of judgements i just think its a bit odd and there should be some dialog on that perhaps.

[illuminumnuts]

hmmm
its probably better that i go armed only with the facts. Which im not 100% clear on, as ive been reading the thread ive seen several other mps responses state they never signed anything and we shouldnt believe evrything the bloody daily mail says, good points. But we should also never beleive what the politicians say, obviously. So i'm kind of playing catch up here, ive followed the gary case but not as closely recently, could someone enlighten me as to what exactly happened and if you could be specific about martyn jones that would be much appreciated. I gather they all claimed they would vote against extradition, where and how did the 74 claim this? How much of this is daily mail chest puffing middle england anti labour vitriol?

Im 100% behind gary but i get worried sometimes when the daily mail start backing things, we should remember what this paper is known for.

I will say for the record it sometimes worries me the amount of links icke's headlines has to the mail site, not as a reflection on icke but as a reflection on why is this much 'conspiracy' stuff 'coming out' or ending up there. Im not making any sort of judgements i just think its a bit odd and there should be some dialog on that perhaps.

The FACT is that text I posted was from his email address to mine. ;) Make what you will of that.

[jamston]

Not quite what i meant. But i'll find out what i need. By facts i meant, i will only go armed with what is in the public domain, i would have gone in with your email, as it would show his address and whatnot and a full account of the exchange between you. I was most disgusted by his response to you and as you wont furnish me with copies of said email i can only go in with 'the facts' not to diminish what youre doing, its wonderful, i personally wouldnt have gone down the route of calling him a weasel, maybe at some point, but ive long since learned these people dont respond to rash name calling. Whatever you 'called him first' is irrelevant though really, a public official should not respond to a member of the public like that, it shows the disregard and disdain these bastards have for us, thats what really got my goat. I was more after a bit of catch up on the entire situation with gary and the mps so i could go into see him better informed than i am now.

[apekteina lordosis]

Did you follow that up by the way? Just wondered.

just took a quick perusal round the parliament website but can't find a record of who voted what, however plenty of other websites similar to publicwhip have recorded the same vote. so either they are all right or all wrong. soz not much help that i know but the parliament search function is shite (surprise surprise).

[apekteina lordosis]

I will say for the record it sometimes worries me the amount of links icke's headlines has to the mail site, not as a reflection on icke but as a reflection on why is this much 'conspiracy' stuff 'coming out' or ending up there. Im not making any sort of judgements i just think its a bit odd and there should be some dialog on that perhaps.

the vile is a curious thingy innit? it is hard to fathom that all its readers align themselves with its general stance, speaking for myself i only read the weekend editions, partly to wind myself up and partly cos i agree with some of the outlook of peter hitchens- no matter his idiot views on drugs and certain topics that obviously grind his soul he is one of the better newspaper journalists. then there's jayne moore who with the turn of every week is turning into from a bitter old hack to a bitter old hag and the cherry on top is piers morgan who is a total cockface. i dunno maybe i am addicted...

[tjohn]

As suggested by a someone I moved the post I had here to a new thread so it gets more attention.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1156621#post1156621

But instead, it gets down the page and out of sight - silly me.

So here it is again. The mods can do with it what they like but it is very important, because the Court hearing that will likely decide what will happen to Gary, is on Friday 31st and that's tomorrow.


Received (29/July/2009) an email as follows:

From: thinkdifferently(at)nas.org.uk (http://www.nas.org.uk (http://www.nas.org.uk/))
To: John

Hi,

This Friday, the High Court will deliver its verdict in the Gary McKinnon case. If the Court decides against Gary, he could be extradited in the next few weeks.

The hearing will take place at the High Court at 10am on Friday morning. The National Autistic Society will be there, and the hearing is open to the public for those of you who are also able to come and lend your support to Gary.

If you're not able to come along we'll let you know what happened as soon as we can.

Best wishes,
Matthew Downie

Campaigns Manager
............................


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[apekteina lordosis]

sadly tjohn i am several hundred miles away though hopefully there are plenty of other forum members much closer who can make it to the high court. :)

[tjohn]

sadly tjohn i am several hundred miles away though hopefully there are plenty of other forum members much closer who can make it to the high court. :)I also live several hundred miles away but because of health problems I am not fit enough to travel more than a few hundred yards. I hope that those who are fit and well can make an effort if possible. The big day is Friday 31st and that's tomorrow. I know it is short notice but I only got the message on the 29th and posted it right away.

I hope that it works out well for Gary who is a guy I can relate to more than some people I know about. But this whole affair is not just about Gary, it involves much more and there are other issues that effect us all - like the validity of the legal system and the freedom we are supposed to have, whilst most people blindly believe in 'authority' that is not really interested in justice.

The case of Gary McKinnon whether in his favour or not serves to awaken people to what is actually going on - but it is my wish and other people of right intent, that Gary is not extradited to the US which if it happens, would likely turn out to be against his personal well-being.

[rodin]

Could this all be part of an alien agenda hoax?

[tjohn]

I guess we all heard the bad news...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/31/gary-mckinnon-loses-extradition-appeal

Here's an interesting interview on BBC radio 5 live.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7533755.stm

[rodin]

Quick! Get Joanna Lumley back here. They listen to her.

Best comment @ BBC so far :D

[bsmurph83]

the ridiculous furor surrounding mckinnon wouldn't exist if he didn't

a) see listings of "non-terrestrial officers", and,

b) see government-made UFOs

a slap on the wrist is all he'd get, but lord knows the military-industrial complex hates a good secret getting loose. and free energy was a helluva secret they've been keeping.

see the "disclosure project" for starters....

[apekteina lordosis]

sorry i've been distant from this thread for the last few days. kinda waiting to see how things pan out.

next week i shall create a email addy list of all 646 members of parliament, not necessarily just for mckinnon activity- useful tool for all sorts of campaigning.
though reminder to self to check whether cc/bcc function on email composers can handle so many addys, if not split emall addy list into chunks (excuse me while i talk to myself!).

[illuminumnuts]

Reply from Rudi Vis:

'Thank you for youre-mail and apologies for my tardy reply due to the Office being hit by a bout of illness. If you are deeply annoyed by my voting on the Extradition Act, I can only say that I am more annoyed with myself about it.

The last few days before the recess were extremely busy and it was my total mistake thinking that we were on a different amendment. I apologise profusely to you and I hope that if a vote comes up to reverse these matters, I will be voting as you and I would expect.

In a general sense it simply is not right that a British citizen will have to meet courts in the USA so much easier that an American citizen having to be judged in an English court.

I do not agree with the current Home Secretary that he does not have the power to stop this inequality in general and in particular in the case of Mr McKinnon.
Yours sincerely
Rudi Vis'

[apekteina lordosis]

Reply from Rudi Vis:

'Thank you for youre-mail and apologies for my tardy reply due to the Office being hit by a bout of illness. If you are deeply annoyed by my voting on the Extradition Act, I can only say that I am more annoyed with myself about it.

The last few days before the recess were extremely busy and it was my total mistake thinking that we were on a different amendment. I apologise profusely to you and I hope that if a vote comes up to reverse these matters, I will be voting as you and I would expect.

In a general sense it simply is not right that a British citizen will have to meet courts in the USA so much easier that an American citizen having to be judged in an English court.

I do not agree with the current Home Secretary that he does not have the power to stop this inequality in general and in particular in the case of Mr McKinnon.
Yours sincerely
Rudi Vis'

have you considered fwding that email to the daily mail? would imagine that it certainly would be of interest for their "gary mckinnon" campaign. i mean, an mp saying they thought they were voting for a different amendment! unusual honesty from one of those spivs however considering all the shite they foist upon us and the fact gary mckinnon shouldn't be extradited it is worthwhile trying to get the daily mail to print this!

[nihil]

Lovely guy, Gary McKinnon, while high, smoking a spliff, he got into Military
Servers with a free-to-try application. So he saw something as proofs of
Zero Point Energy and other less-than-interesting things as:

...listings of "non-terrestrial officers", or ExoAgents or XenoAgents

I mean this guy gave a huge shot in the dark, so... ;) FREE GARY !

[jp13]

gary mckinnon has been threatened with this for 7 yrs....he could have learned the freeman philo and a lot more in that time....i dont think it matters to mps what we have to say anymore....they just do as ordered by more powerful people but if i was gary id run like hell....disappear...incognito....surely were he had the will before he will find the way....good luck mate.....its a bit like....then they came for me ......but this time all the people were appalled by their actions......fight the good fight...dont give up your rights....represent yourself....dont trust any lawyer ...its your life in your hands.....:(

I tend to agree with the above, and I think this case is more than a little bit odd, as said above this has been going on for 7 years now, and we keep getting told that if extradited to America he could face up to 60 years in Jail.
At firdt I did feel compassion for Gary, but the longer this has went on, I don't know, I'm beginning to have my doubts about the entire story.
As far as I know he has never revealed anything he found on the computers he hacked into, he also said there were other 'hackers' in there when he was there.
Whenever he is on TV he never really answers anything, probably advised not to, but I think if I was in that situation I may well tell all, or at least make sure if something happened to me that it would become public knowledge, obviously the usa can't take him out as it would be too obvious now.
I really don't know, there's something about the whole affair that doesn't add up, plus the fact that he looks a bit like an Alien hybrid doesn't do him any favours, but then again I am no Picasso myself. Seriously, does anyone think of the Public reaction if he was Extradited to the States, there is simply no excuse for Britain to hand him over and it shows extreme cowardice if they do.
Why doesn't someone lobby Obama?
I haven't heard his views on the matter, but presumably they don't really count for much, he is being made to look more ridiculous each passing day, and it's not his fault it's the nasty Republicans and the American public who don't grasp the concept of a NHS type system.
I will stop ranting now as I have lost the plot a bit, and I'm wondering if I should actually post this, but as someone said to me the other day "I worry too much", and I think it's true, maybe not worry but I definitly Think too much for my own good.
I hope Gary gets out of this unscathed and without being "Renditioned" to America.
Part of me thinks it has been going on so long as it is a great advert to scare people from trying to find out the truth about something from those who control History, it would definitley make me think twice, even if I knew how to hack into the websites they say he got into.

[romas]

Lovely guy, Gary McKinnon, while high, smoking a spliff, he got into Military
Servers with a free-to-try application. So he saw something as proofs of
Zero Point Energy and other less-than-interesting things as:

...listings of "non-terrestrial officers", or ExoAgents or XenoAgents

I mean this guy gave a huge shot in the dark, so... ;) FREE GARY !




Yes, it's very alarming if he is telling the truth, has he made many interviews mentioning these things clearly?

[apekteina lordosis]

i am (albeit slowly) compiling a cc/bcc list that includes all 646 members of parliament. once it is done i shall test via the most popular available webmail providers to see if their cc/bb boxes accept so many addys, and if not split the list accordingly.

whether such a list would be useful to assist people in letting every member of parliament now their feelings about the gary mckinnon issue is one thing, however such a list would be useful for campaigning about other issues.

and yep i fully comprehend that members of parliament have a protocol where by they are meant to only take notice of correspondence from people within the constituency they represent, but fuck em! over the period leading to the next general election and beyond let's deluge each and every one of their inboxes with email upon email. :)

[not amused]

I was listening to a gary mckinnon interview this morning, a year old but still fascinating, I was wondering if any one knows what the latest is, not heard anything for a while, any links would be nice, thanks..