Why would I create this reality ??

[dmt head]

Hello all, first post so hello to everyone. I want to ask you guys something,

My question is, if I create my own reality why would I create all the bad stuff in it ? I mean like globally, wars paedo's rapists and murderers ?

Icke goes on about we create our own reality as do others, so does that mean like me in my personal life or is it me that creates all this and the whole world revolves around me ?? lol

Or is it like the hundred monkey syndrome and not enough people have woken up yet?

The whole infinite I thing I understand to an extent everyone being connected, so I created this reality even though in the infinite I Ive got my own perspective, but im here now so why would I create this?? I know some here have touched on this but thought id ask anyhoo.

Found this the other day not too sure about the whole global warming stuff think its a grey area as Icke himself says but this guy talks about the individual deciding whether to change human conciousness, is his opinion right enough.
http://www.postmoderntimes.com/

Any feeback appreciated.

Peace and Love

[revolutionary_jam]

Hello all, first post so hello to everyone. I want to ask you guys something,

My question is, if I create my own reality why would I create all the bad stuff in it ? I mean like globally, wars paedo's rapists and murderers ?

I think this sometimes and there can be a million reasons why you create bad things in your reality,

first of all there may be aspect of yourself that you hate, and parts of yourself that hate you
secondly, undealt with emotions or unconfronted parts of your personality that you deny may manifest them selfs as "bad stuff"
You may experience band things to learn from them or even create bad things to learn from
And also you may have some karma to deal with

this list is not exhaustive but there are a few things to think about

[dmt head]

It was interesting however he seems to talk a lot.


I thought that too. Its just he's talking about it being up to the individual to choose, or down to one person's reality. Being aware of the number 5 would make it appear to me Id imagine. But creating your own reality ultimately means ive created all the bad stuff or is it more creating your own personal sub-plot realitys?

Peace and Love

[dmt head]

I think this sometimes and there can be a million reasons why you create bad things in your reality,

first of all there may be aspect of yourself that you hate, and parts of yourself that hate you
secondly, undealt with emotions or unconfronted parts of your personality that you deny may manifest them selfs as "bad stuff"
You may experience band things to learn from them or even create bad things to learn from
And also you may have some karma to deal with

this list is not exhaustive but there are a few things to think about

So your saying all these terrible things are my personal creation ? Or why people some times thinking of bad things create it collectively?

Peace and Love

[revolutionary_jam]

So your saying all these terrible things are my personal creation ? Or why people some times thinking of bad things create it collectively?

Peace and Love

first of all I don't claim to be a prophet so I'm not "saying" so much as "theorising" if thats alright, I just want to make clear

in my opinion: the answer is both

a small part of each of us creates each of these terrible things. Your universe is a mirror of you as mine is a mirror of me! Deal with your own unprocessed dark and you are dealing with your role in the worlds unprocessed dark

I think our collective denial of ourselves pours out somewhere else like a volcano.

There is also the microcosm/macrocosm aspect. IE. you might be against your nations war, but you're at war with your neighbours. It's important to make peace with the people in your life because then that becomes the energy you offer up to the universe.

the world aside:

the list I noted may reprisent what created bad things and mishaps in your personal life

if you can learn to love your life and find it amazing, it will become amazing! because that is your perception of it
If you want things, strive to be happy with what you have and they will come to you easier because... well... it's in my sig :)

"Thinking of what one does not have, manifests it self in the perpetuation of not having."

[dmt head]

in my opinion: the answer is both

I thought that in a way, it is collective and the energy of more people will change it for the better.

the world aside:

the list I noted may reprisent what created bad things and mishaps in your personal life

if you can learn to love your life and find it amazing, it will become amazing! because that is your perception of it
If you want things, strive to be happy with what you have and they will come to you easier because... well... it's in my sig

"Thinking of what one does not have, manifests it self in the perpetuation of not having."


I love my life things may not be exatly how I want it, or in the world I live in whos world is perfect? Nothing gets me really depressed or stressed out. I know what you mean by thinking these things resonate to the negative frequency but its these things that really piss me off, but then me being pissed off creates anger which resonates to that same negative again, what to do? :D


"Thinking of what one does not have, manifests it self in the perpetuation of not having."

I try not to think of the bad things in the world but its there like globally so me shutting off from it wont make it change or is that quote personal like that film The Secret it goes on about creating your own personal reality.

Cheers for the feedback much appreciated

[cyberdaemon]

I got another question : If this reality truly is a dream and it is , why cant i change it in EVERY aspect that pops up in my mind ? You could destroy/summon whole mountains with just blink of an eye , just like you can change channel on your TV ? Can we really return to the "source" , where we stop being ANY physical life forms and all around is just controllable visions ? Its a damn DREAM after all , that you can right now control in about 0.000000001% range or so.Changing your job/place to live/hair is so small part of the universe :S But how about all else ? I could fly like dragon , or walk trough walls like shadowcat if this was really a good dream.Now its just a nightmare where you have almost no control at all.Your alwasy a human and limited to human powers and no more.
The point is - how to "hack" reality , to make it change after your will ?

[revolutionary_jam]

I know what you mean by thinking these things resonate to the negative frequency but its these things that really piss me off, but then me being pissed off creates anger which resonates to that same negative again, what to do? :D

It's bad to supress your emotions, you have to feel them or they manifest in other ways (illness or bad things happening etc. etc.)

try thought, to alter your outlook, so you don't actually feel angry about these things, you just know that you disapprove of them and sort of, feel love for their solution

ALSO remember that you can bring upon yourself any feelings you want, just by closing your eyes and thinking "what does that feel like"... I practice this sometimes when I feel i need better energy in my life, I close my eyese and remember what if feels like to love and be loved and let the feeling spread all over my body. I do it several times a day and I've seen results, like after a few days good things start happening! :)

I got another question : If this reality truly is a dream and it is , why cant i change it in EVERY aspect that pops up in my mind ? You could destroy/summon whole mountains with just blink of an eye

What happened is after the emergence of consciousness as an observer there was something to make things "solidify" (you know a particle exists as a wave until it is observed) ... and with the passing of time things sort of got "more solid" as they got observed more and more so the "laws of physics" emerged and got more and more solidified in the "collective unconscious" as time went on and they were observed more and more

to get past them you have to sort of disconnect, but usually by that point you've lost all perception of the individual "you" doing it, you'd be the sea and waves and volcanoes creating the mountains or the wind, rain and cataclysms destroying them

I could fly like dragon , or walk trough walls like shadowcat if this was really a good dream.

You can already do all that in your head though!

The point is - how to "hack" reality , to make it change after your will ?

unplug from the collective memory. If you could make objects appear infront of you at will you wouldn't be able to show anyone because then you'd become sort of like a magician on TV and you'd need tonnes of followers and robes and a cushion and maybe a throne etc. and thats all in the realm of the ego, it's not for a human being to elevate themselves above others because the higher you climb the harder you have to fall to realise you're just equal to everyone else.

[mr_moon]

I think you may be interested in this site revolutionary_jam:

http://www.limitlessness.com

We are learning all the time and have now come into an age of un-learning all the conditioning we've experienced over so long.

Are 'Bad Things' really bad? Or is that just what we have been 'conditioned' to believe?

Lots of Love,

Jay
xxx

[dmt head]

It's bad to supress your emotions, you have to feel them or they manifest in other ways (illness or bad things happening etc. etc.)

try thought, to alter your outlook, so you don't actually feel angry about these things, you just know that you disapprove of them and sort of, feel love for their solution

ALSO remember that you can bring upon yourself any feelings you want, just by closing your eyes and thinking "what does that feel like"... I practice this sometimes when I feel i need better energy in my life, I close my eyese and remember what if feels like to love and be loved and let the feeling spread all over my body. I do it several times a day and I've seen results, like after a few days good things start happening!


Thats good advice cheers mate ill try that much appreciated.

[bigus_dickus]

because... this reality makes you exactly who you are. you couldn't have been who you are now asking this question, if a flip on the wing of a fly sitting on a frogs head on the amazon didn't happen when it was meant to.

since the whole cosmos resulted to your question, then the answer, is the question itself.

it means that you did it all, you made everything manifest in eternal energy, so that you would ask one day "why did i create the bad stuff"?

but that's not the answer either, because since you made that question, you are not the same. infinite moments have passed, millions of thoughts, decisions and transformations. so your question is ongoing into the eternal now, seeking not an answer, but manifesting itself in what ever you may find it appears as.

the concept of creation is right and wrong at the same time. it looks like creation, but what it is is manifestation of energy that always exists, into forms that always exist, but are manifested only with the sufficient conditions present.

so you can perceive your reality, as the sum total of the sufficient conditions that made your question arise. the question therefore, is the answer.

then again, the question may be disturbing. maybe it does not make any sense at all, because what's the point in manifesting all the bad stuff in order to look at it later and despise it?

there is no point. you haven't stopped yet, you are here and you will always be here manifested or not, so that you can make the next question. the only point is, that for the next question to be made, the previous would have to be in place first.

we may never find concrete answers to our questions because maybe there aren't any concrete answers. therefore, since reality is about questions and not answers, flowing like a river which is constantly changing in every aspect, what gives reality shape and meaning, is the questions that it produces.

next question!

[dmt head]

Thats an interesting reply much appreciated cheers mate

[revolutionary_jam]

because... this reality makes you exactly who you are. you couldn't have been who you are now asking this question, if a flip on the wing of a fly sitting on a frogs head on the amazon didn't happen when it was meant to.

since the whole cosmos resulted to your question, then the answer, is the question itself.

it means that you did it all, you made everything manifest in eternal energy, so that you would ask one day "why did i create the bad stuff"?

but that's not the answer either, because since you made that question, you are not the same. infinite moments have passed, millions of thoughts, decisions and transformations. so your question is ongoing into the eternal now, seeking not an answer, but manifesting itself in what ever you may find it appears as.

the concept of creation is right and wrong at the same time. it looks like creation, but what it is is manifestation of energy that always exists, into forms that always exist, but are manifested only with the sufficient conditions present.

so you can perceive your reality, as the sum total of the sufficient conditions that made your question arise. the question therefore, is the answer.

then again, the question may be disturbing. maybe it does not make any sense at all, because what's the point in manifesting all the bad stuff in order to look at it later and despise it?

there is no point. you haven't stopped yet, you are here and you will always be here manifested or not, so that you can make the next question. the only point is, that for the next question to be made, the previous would have to be in place first.

we may never find concrete answers to our questions because maybe there aren't any concrete answers. therefore, since reality is about questions and not answers, flowing like a river which is constantly changing in every aspect, what gives reality shape and meaning, is the questions that it produces.

next question!

*goes all cross-eyed* lol!! interesting :) hehehehe

[shansuke]

i dont like to rule anything out and keep and open mind.i cant see thow how wee personaly can create someones reality for them.it seems to me that those who have the most love in this world can see more hatred and evil than those who actually create it.any bad folk ive met or read about in the past seem to have no remorse and are totaly oblivious to who they hurt and what they cause.i cant see how i would create a reality where crime is rife and it is the deacent folk that have to pick up the bill.

[mr_moon]

i dont like to rule anything out and keep and open mind.i cant see thow how wee personaly can create someones reality for them.it seems to me that those who have the most love in this world can see more hatred and evil than those who actually create it.any bad folk ive met or read about in the past seem to have no remorse and are totaly oblivious to who they hurt and what they cause.i cant see how i would create a reality where crime is rife and it is the deacent folk that have to pick up the bill.

Because it is all necessary in order to learn about who you are and what you are doing here.

We are Infinite Beings. We are pure Energy in Human Form, filled with Love and Joy, experiencing the Universe as it unfolds before our very eyes.

What is hatred and evil? They are CONSTRUCTED views of what something is. Is it true that something can be evil? Is 'hate' real? Who are 'bad' folk and 'decent' folk?

These are the Questions we should be answering from within and there really is only one answer:

These things are Illusions. They are created WITHIN our Minds but not within our Being. They do not REALLY exist- merely a PERCEPTION of them exists. Do you see?

If we perceive something as evil, then in our reality, it will be Evil. This is the ultimate breakthrough that needs to occur (and is occuring) in society- we must learn to Love ourselves again and Love EVERYONE without exception. Remember that we are all ONE.

I'm not saying we should go out and start hugging and forgiving Mass Murderers and Paedophiles but what i am saying is we need to change our 'perception' of these people- even if it just a private view. We need to understand that they are trapped within the confines of a conditioned Mind and deep inside them, their 'real' self, is a beautiful Love filled Human Being.

We need to realise that is who WE are first though and slowly we will see these people disappearing and hate, war and violence will dissolve away.

WITHIN US IS THE WORLD OUT THERE- SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE A PEACEFUL WORLD, THEN YOU NEED TO FIND PEACE WITHIN YOURSELF FIRST- THEN WATCH THE MAGIC HAPPEN...;)

[seanx]

So your saying all these terrible things are my personal creation ? Or why people some times thinking of bad things create it collectively?

We must also consider the fact that most of us create
by default.

Strickly speaking, 'we don't create our reality - our beliefs
which we hold in our conscious and unconscious mind create our
reality.

Now I think we have to consider the possibilility that as we inherit
our parent's physical characteristics - is it also possible we inherit
their, and their parents deeply emotional and deeply energizied
belief patterns?

I'm sure this is what Jung meant when he said, 'unless we make the unconscious concious - it will rule our lives ..and we'll call it fate'.

Now because most peopel don't realize the connection between
their beliefs and our everyday reality- their lives are manifesting all these
ingrained beliefs, GOOD AND BAD, purely by default.

That's why we see poverty being experienced generation after
generation until some one breaks that CORE BELIEF and new
realities can be experienced.

[moonoodoo]

My question is, if I create my own reality why would I create all the bad stuff in it ? I mean like globally, wars paedo's rapists and murderers ?


I struggled with this for some time. Then I came to the conclusion that I had to base it with the reality that I experienced. I have not seen a war or met a practicing murderer / rapist etc. I have had disruptive influences in my life, although they where not obviously catastrophic, they where damaging to my life.

If one starts to worry (negative energy) or hate then it will start to attract such entities which will oblige the situation. I am aware bad things may exist in other folks realities, but they are not welcome in this one. I just wish them well and that they learn to see that love and compassion is the only way.

Stand in the centre of the the circle and look around. A single pointedness of reality.... in this way you see blue and I see red yet we both confirm it is truly green.

[infinitely free]

Hey guys,

i am doing my research on reality's Nature, as i've said before, and i am quick to share something!

I think i might have found out that the slightest spec, of a notion, is able to start off another reality. D. I. talks about it, but i think i found it out for myself, now!

Cheers!

I'll be researching further ;)

I.F.

[infinitely free]

Icke goes on about we create our own reality as do others, so does that mean like me in my personal life or is it me that creates all this and the whole world revolves around me ?? lol

D'you know what, dmt head? Take it that way, and you may not be far from the truth

Man, I remember that thought of Terence Mckennah (another great researcher like Icke) - 'The world is not only stranger than you suppose, it is stranger than you can suppose'

[abram730]

when there is a traffic accident how many people stop to help?
How many slow down to see suffering and let it continue?

Yes people like to think they would do good... But few do. Most live is a state of fear or ignorance of the reality.
How many marriages work without the fear of God or large amounts of education?
All it takes is caring and loving yet it seems to be a huge stretch and yet everybody seems lonely.

[dmt head]

Sorry for the late reply had some probs with my connection just want to thank you all for some great answers. Ive came to the conclusion that it is all collectively created but then again im one so it could be down to me, :confused: still lol but ive never met any murderers or paedos or been involved in any wars. Then theres how would Infinite Love remember what it is since its obviously forgotten in this reality, if it didnt know what the opposite was, like looking into a mirror fear and hate and the like anyhoo think ive a better idea cheers for the feedback!