How much property do you own?

[Anders Lindman]

I know how much property you own. Essentially zip. Zero. None. Even if you are a rich man or woman, how much real property do you own? Zip. Zero.

There's a reason for this. In the past, some people owned their houses, and today a few children may inherit a house for example, but today, in the vast majority of cases, it is the banks that own your house.

You may have a lot of savings. Unfortunately that's not real property. Money is not real property. The bankers can dish out zillions of dollars out of thin air, so your savings mean nothing to them. You may own one or more expensive cars, but they will rust in a couple of years. So not even your cars have any interesting value to the banksters.

Natural resources, companies, buildings and land. That's what has real value.

Money is crated as debt from previous debt. So money-creation is just a chain of compounded debt. Governments, companies and people become more and more in debt to bankers.

All property in the world is worth much less than the total debt. So the bankers already in practice own all property in the world. And so what we will see in the world is that governments, companies and people will own less and less property year after year unless something is done to reverse this trend, because there is not enough property in the entire world to pay all the debt even today!

[dark86]

dont want to own many "things" - "things" bog me down and makes me feel cluttered.

:D

[bennett211085]

Same here. All I own is a van and a caravan. Call me a pikey if you will but it is a very cheap way to live. When I have enough money I hope to do a bit of travelling even if I just end up in holland and stay there for a while. :)

[Anders Lindman]

dont want to own many "things" - "things" bog me down and makes me feel cluttered.

:D

But for the bankers, property is important. Debt is important to them of course, but their power will not be full unless they also own all the property in the world. The NWO agenda could be the privatization of all the property in the world so that the entire world will be owned by a big corporation complex with complete totalitarian power. Every square millimeter of land on earth would be the private property of the banking corporation complex.

[davidbarstis]

My girlfriend and I live in a house and we pay rent every year in the form of "taxes". Same with the car. Funny, my car depreciates but the taxes stay the same. Damn international bankers.

[cruise4]

The National Debt is backed by the Countries land and resouces ultimately. You own nothing. When the government spend on anything... YOU have to honour the debt, not them. So they borrow whatever they feel like. Even if you inherit a house... ultimately you don't own it.

This is the real aim of the money scam... to rob us of everything and have the dull plod and lawmakers legally uphold this nonsense.

[kooo]

Funny, my car depreciates but the taxes stay the same. Damn international bankers.

This is the reason I don't drive anymore, I refuse to pay the insurance extortion racket and all the other rip offs like 80% petrol tax, MOT, servicing and rip off car repairs not to mention I now live in the London congestion charging zone and don't want my movements tracked by the cameras.

The only time I really miss my car is for shopping, it's a killer carrying lots of heavy shopping bags and traveling home late at night on London transport with the great fetid unwashed. I was going to buy a scooter but the scummy Chavs up the road steal and sell them.

[synergy777]

don't worry once opec cut off the supplies, and sell their oil to asian countries, we can resort back to horse and cart.

[baron von lotsov]

This is the reason I don't drive anymore, I refuse to pay the insurance extortion racket and all the other rip offs like 80% petrol tax, MOT, servicing and rip off car repairs not to mention I now live in the London congestion charging zone and don't want my movements tracked by the cameras.

The only time I really miss my car is for shopping, it's a killer carrying lots of heavy shopping bags and traveling home late at night on London transport with the great fetid unwashed. I was going to buy a scooter but the scummy Chavs up the road steal and sell them.

I have very rarely bought insurance. I used to when it was only a few quid for a 50cc bike I had when I was 16 and I did for a year when I was rolling in it but didn't want the attention of the law.

Everything about a car is a pisstake. Insurance, MOT, tax, CO2 emissions, smoking a joint when you are stuck in a traffic jam on the motorway. Nothing is ever legal with me and my car.

How much does insurance cost these days anyway? I'm so out of touch with the market, all I can be sure of is that it is a bigger pisstake than when I last thought it was a pisstake. I can tell by the number of adverts for it. The adverts are the main reason I hate the scum these days.

[Anders Lindman]

The National Debt is backed by the Countries land and resouces ultimately. You own nothing. When the government spend on anything... YOU have to honour the debt, not them. So they borrow whatever they feel like. Even if you inherit a house... ultimately you don't own it.

That's a good point. I didn't think of that. Even if I inherit a house, there is much more debt than what a nation has in resources, so the house will inevitably sooner or later come into the hands of the bankers anyhow.

[chris]

I'm so pissed off...I own my own flat (albeit the queen can take it at her pleasure) but still, it's more than most...My mum owns her house and my sister has a small mortgage on her house. We were doing okay...

Now my mum has bought a shop with a huge variable rate mortgage, my sister is buying another flat with a huge mortgage against my advice....It's fucked me off so much that we did have it quite good and now we're going to loose the lot.

And another thing, my mum has bought this shop as a hobby! Richard Branson isn't that liberal with money. If she wants to do something exciting then she should go sky diving or some great expedition somewhere at least those will cost next to nothing in comparison.

I'm in a bad way regards to money...My family doesn't trust me at all and they will blame me for when it all goes to shit.

[kooo]

I have very rarely bought insurance. I used to when it was only a few quid for a 50cc bike I had when I was 16 and I did for a year when I was rolling in it but didn't want the attention of the law.

Everything about a car is a pisstake. Insurance, MOT, tax, CO2 emissions, smoking a joint when you are stuck in a traffic jam on the motorway. Nothing is ever legal with me and my car.

How much does insurance cost these days anyway? I'm so out of touch with the market, all I can be sure of is that it is a bigger pisstake than when I last thought it was a pisstake. I can tell by the number of adverts for it. The adverts are the main reason I hate the scum these days.

It was over a grand a year for me and that was with my 8 years no claims. Only ever been in trouble with the police for motoring, done twice for no insurance, second time was unintentional and I've now lost my 8 years no claims. I dread to think what they would charge me for insurance now, I've been priced off the road, I will buy a scooter when I move out of London away from the thieving Chavs. Nearly died carrying the shopping home yesterday, can't complain too much, at least it's keeping me fit. Traveling with the great unwashed is a bigger problem.

[chris]

A moped is quite a good idea...I think we will be forced into it sooner or later.

I think the way things are going they are going to set up a socialised transport system. They are attacking the airline industry like crazy. They are trying to stop anyone from driving about in their cars also...Soon we will see a car go by and think they are really rich, everyone else will be on public transport to get them to and from work.

[kooo]

A moped is quite a good idea...I think we will be forced into it sooner or later.

I think the way things are going they are going to set up a socialised transport system. They are attacking the airline industry like crazy. They are trying to stop anyone from driving about in their cars also...Soon we will see a car go by and think they are really rich, everyone else will be on public transport to get them to and from work.

It's already happening, thing is, the more they increase the insurance premiums the more people go uninsured, it's a viscous circle. Red Ken is now saying he's going to increase the congestion charge to £25 per day for bigger engines and Richmond council have increased parking permits to around £300 per year for bigger cars which is totally unfair because they obviously pay more on fuel charges and insurance as it is. It's all about revenue and that is why I refuse to play the driving game anymore. If we all got scooters it would seriously dent their extortion rackets. It's also not a good idea to go without insurance anymore because if and when you get caught you have to give a DNA sample, a full hand print and a photo. Catch 22.

[revolutionary_jam]

you're only borrowing it from god

[Anders Lindman]

I'm so pissed off...I own my own flat (albeit the queen can take it at her pleasure) but still, it's more than most...My mum owns her house and my sister has a small mortgage on her house. We were doing okay...

Now my mum has bought a shop with a huge variable rate mortgage, my sister is buying another flat with a huge mortgage against my advice....It's fucked me off so much that we did have it quite good and now we're going to loose the lot.

And another thing, my mum has bought this shop as a hobby! Richard Branson isn't that liberal with money. If she wants to do something exciting then she should go sky diving or some great expedition somewhere at least those will cost next to nothing in comparison.

I'm in a bad way regards to money...My family doesn't trust me at all and they will blame me for when it all goes to shit.

That's another good point. When people own their own property, then they will be tempted to take huge bank loans anyway to "buy" new property, and the new property will be owned by the bankers. In the vast majority of cases, the loans taken today will probably never be able to be payed back, because people will have their hands full just paying the interest on the loans, year after year, and their children will in the future only inherit bank loans, debt to pay interest on.

[cruise4]

I think those were wise words to your Mum and sister Chris. I'm getting me and my brother out of debt as the main priority. But his Girlfriend has just gone out on a limb with a shop, selling cards of all things. Not even useful in an emergency!

Ultmately though, its us (the people) against them (the establishment). We will win but what the cost will be who knows.

[cruise4]

Good point Anders. The Buy To Let bubble is going to pop in a very spectacular way!

[chris]

I think those were wise words to your Mum and sister Chris. I'm getting me and my brother out of debt as the main priority. But his Girlfriend has just gone out on a limb with a shop, selling cards of all things. Not even useful in an emergency!

Ultmately though, its us (the people) against them (the establishment). We will win but what the cost will be who knows.

Is this the twilight zone? My mums selling cards and crafts :confused:

[umbrex]

I am king of africa, so the lost continent is miiine, all miiiine muahahah

[kblood]

I might know a few people, should I ever find a good cause to spend them on. I dont like people giving me money for something that didnt seem like work for me to do though. Unless it is what I am doing for a living to begin with :) Money usually complicates everything as I see it.

Well to sum it up: Renting an apartment, moving to another rental apartment. Im not even sure I would ever buy an apartment, unless I would be sure it could be sold again without any trouble, so I could move to someplace else again if I found something else to do. I spend most my money on computers, and try to buy everything so it is the most economic. Laptops are usually the most power efficient, if you get the right brands. Also power supplies can vary in power efficiency. Im passionate about computer games though. They are good at keeping me from trying to save the world by actions :) Not all that much that needs saving anyway.

I am considering to get a car, but they sure are expensive. I dont have any real savings, and I usually dont consider having one. I just try not to spend my money on stuff I dont really need in the end, unless it is something that costs below 100€. Then I might buy something if it is a good price and I might find some use for it :p Problems with getting a car is:

I probably would stop walking or using a bicycle, and that is just about the only exercise I get.
I wouldnt be happy about the polution it makes, and I dont think I am any good at maintaining a car.
Hybrid cars, cars that run foodoil and so on, still isnt easy to come by. Im hoping that my first car could be one not needing fossil fuel.
Last but not least, the car is just about at the bottom of my "wish" list. I am hoping to get more of a "home entertainment" system setup :) Maybe the banks like to own everything, but so far I have managed to not have to lend money without being able to pay off the loan.

My amount of power consumption still is rather high. I am likely to have both a stationary and a laptop running at the same time, just to be able to chat and play games at the same time. I do trust my bank though, so if I need to I would probably take another loan, but always it would be with a date in mind about when it should be payed off.

[cruise4]

:eek:Chris... I think my Brother may be going out with your Mum:eek:

[titurel]

Rat Race
You're working at your leisure to learn the things you'll need
The promises you make tomorrow carry no guarantee
I've seen your qualifications, you got a Ph.D.
I've got one art O-level, it did nothing for me

Working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
Working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine

You plan your conversation to impress the college bar
Just talking about your mother and daddy's Jaguar
Wear your political T-shirt and sacred college scarf
Discussing the world situation, but just for a laugh

You'll be working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
Working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine

Working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
Working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine

Just working at your leisure to learn the things you don't need
The promises you make tomorrow carry no guarantee
I've seen your qualifications, you got a Ph.D.
I've got one art O-level, it did nothing for me

Working for the rat race
You know you're wasting your time
You're working for the rat race
You're no friend of mine

[synergy777]

You plan your conversation to impress the college bar
Just talking about your mother and daddy's Jaguar
Wear your political T-shirt and sacred college scarf
Discussing the world situation, but just for a laugh


that mindset is hard to grow out of, a part of me still is reluctant to let go, especially the jag, i have the t shirt, uni ed, and uni colours, lol

[kblood]

that mindset is hard to grow out of, a part of me still is reluctant to let go, especially the jag, i have the t shirt, uni ed, and uni colours, lol

Not someting you would have to grow out of I guess :) That is a nice song, or poem or whatever it is. Pulls out types of extremes. These are actually categoriesed in marketing books in models to help figure out what kinds of people there is, and what they want. We are given colors like red, blue, green and purple. They all represent common personalities. If I wasnt so lazy I would link one :p I would have too look up the name of the model first though.

[kblood]

I own a small bit of the earth, at present it worth 400k but what does this mean. I would give anything not to have anything to loose. What you've never had you never miss.

Hehe :) Yup. The basic concept which unfortunatly also makes me afraid to love someone, and get a girlfriend. The more you have of your own, the more responsibilty it brings with it.

[synergy777]

i don't want to grow out of it, but have to due to future events.

[baron von lotsov]

It was over a grand a year for me and that was with my 8 years no claims. Only ever been in trouble with the police for motoring, done twice for no insurance, second time was unintentional and I've now lost my 8 years no claims. I dread to think what they would charge me for insurance now, I've been priced off the road, I will buy a scooter when I move out of London away from the thieving Chavs. Nearly died carrying the shopping home yesterday, can't complain too much, at least it's keeping me fit. Traveling with the great unwashed is a bigger problem.

A grand a year. Wow, that is ugly. Around here it is a regional pastime to drive a car without insurance. The courts are so used to it they give discounts. The going rate for no insurance can be as little as a £70 fine, the max would be about £150 but if anything it has dropped. You see the country folk who are a bit well-to-do magistrates are about as pissed off with the system as most of the rest of us are, hence no insurance is about on par with a car parking fine.

[chris]

:eek:Chris... I think my Brother may be going out with your Mum:eek:

lol...That's news to me! My mums 57, how olds your bro?

[kblood]

i don't want to grow out of it, but have to due to future events.

Im with ya :) I am getting a job where I might have to wear a suit. Good business and formality is something I respect, but I just dont feel comfortable in a suit.

[gold]

Hehe :) Yup. The basic concept which unfortunatly also makes me afraid to love someone, and get a girlfriend. The more you have of your own, the more responsibilty it brings with it.

To right! responsibility brings with it more prison bars & less laughter? But never be afraid to experience love, just don't get stuck somewhere you just don't want to be.