Mr Pixies Posts on 9/11

[mr_pixie]

Ooooooo SHIT!!!!!!! Does anyone see a problem here!

What Hit the WTC?:confused:

Check out the video clip

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7199931064718412242

Stephen:)

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, it's strange. The plane is kind of "swallowed up" by the building. The walls of the WTC are very strong; unlike most skyscrapers, a good proportion of the supporting structure is in the walls rather than in internal pilars. A plane, however, is very flimsy for its size. It's built like a kite for minimum weight.

[mr_pixie]

This is serious stuff!

Please read these aticles below, it will explain more.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=60

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/AJ/touchhand.html

Judys Wood website www.drjudywood.com

We won't get fooled again!

Thanks

Stephen.

[irie_dave]

Yes, it's strange. The plane is kind of "swallowed up" by the building. The walls of the WTC are very strong; unlike most skyscrapers, a good proportion of the supporting structure is in the walls rather than in internal pilars. A plane, however, is very flimsy for its size. It's built like a kite for minimum weight.

The designers of the building said though that a plane hitting the tower would be like shoving a pencil through a screen netting, it would do little to the netting. I personally think this is a disinfo trail. It kind of sucks that this no plane hit the WTC stuff is getting so much traction lately.

[368jrn]

2 identical buildings WTC 1 and 2, 2 almost identical planes, 2 very different explosions. WTC 1 expoldes as soon a the "plane" hits it, but the fireball is not a hydrocarbon explosion, its sort of grey white smoke, very similar to thermite byproduct of aluminium oxide, whereas the "plane" that hits WTC2 manages to get completely inside the building with no sniff of an explosion! The explosion at the point of entry on WTC2 is very similar to the grey white smoke of aluminium oxide from a thermite reaction.

Also in the video in this original post does anyone notice that the left hand wing manages to disappear behind one of the buildings in the background ,about 11 secs in.

WTC1 was not hit by a plane, anyone who watches that video can clearly see that for themselves. And to believe that WTC2 swallowed up a jet liner without any sign of wing collapse or immediate explosion is a joke, its amazing what can be done with computers these days, like editing almost live footage i bet!

[bigus_dickus]

the explosions look identical to me.. we have grey smoke first, black later. but in the first video you can see the black smoke for a very short while emerging from the back of the side of the only camera angle getting covered by the grey smoke facing the camera. the second impact is sideways, so we can see the black smoke right away coming from the side.

about the disappearing wing, that's because of the video's low resolution and because it matches in many ways the objects in the background.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

THE definitive book concerning construction of the World Trade Centre Towers 1&2 has been written by Karl Koch lll. He is the owner of the Steel Erection Company(Da Bronx, NYC) that built the Towers. Very informative. Personally, I disagree with his conclusion as to the collapse.

Search Engine: men of steel karl koch

Kind Regards! Snoopsnuffleopagus

[lucifershammer]

that video has the weakest arguement of any i have seen yet as to the deliberate destruction of the WTC.

it only compares the WTC boeing crash to a completely different plane crashing into a completely different surface.

and it backs it up with no data whatsoever, just a few still frames.

an analogy that comes to mind. throwing a molotov cocktail.

its like comparing throwing it at a brick wall and having it explode on impact. and throwing it at a glass window, and having it break through hte window and blow up inside the building. of course the results are different. the conditions are completely different.

[mr_pixie]

Prof Morgan Reynolds - Jim Fetzer - NIST and Newton Part 2 - Dynamic Duo 23 Oct 2007.mp3 (8 MB) (Modified: Oct 24 2007 07:40:01 PM)
Prof Morgan Reynolds and Jim Fetzer - NIST and Newtons Laws - Dynamic Duo - 18 Oct 2007.mp3 (7.9 MB) (Modified: Oct 18 2007 09:20:18 AM)
Or top 2 links from here:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/index.php?dir=&sort=date&order=desc

[mr_pixie]

Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 1
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Prof+Judy+Wood+-+WTC+Destruction+Part+1

Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 2
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Prof+Judy+Wood+-+WTC+Destruction+Part+2

Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 3
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Prof+Judy+Wood+-+WTC+Destruction+Part+3

Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 4
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Prof+Judy+Wood+-+WTC+Destruction+Part+4

[mr_pixie]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8361811662480560988 :eek:

[serpentoffire]

They are using two new kind of weapons:

Tesla LEM scalar cannon that is able to make an esplosion in a precise point of the space through a triangulation of two antennas.http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm



bombs bases on heavy metal nano-particles inside conventional explosive, that are able to cut a body in two, like a sword. NWO have tested it in Palestine during Israeli's air attack.

[helloperator]

I lost that link a while ago...nice to have it back. Plenty of new mp3s since I was there last.

[mr_pixie]

Jimi Hendrix Quote::D

Gimmicks, here we go again, gimmicks man, I'm tired of people saying we're.... gimmicks, what is this? The world is nothing but a big gimmick, isn't it? Wars, napalm bombs, all that, people getting burned up on tv and it's nothing but a stunt. Gimmick. Yes we do.

[helloperator]

Yeah...but I can't find the youtube link for that quote...it's there somewhere

:)

[mr_pixie]

Hello all,

David Icke will be appearing on the James Whale radio programme this Wednesday night from 10 PM to 1AM on Talk Sport Radio.http://www2.talksport.net/shows/show.asp?mi=4&showId=100199

I don't like James Whale anymore but it's worth a listen if Mr David is going to be on:o

[mr_pixie]

I don't know why I've put this post on the 9/11 section? I ment to put it on general.:confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Coolio :)

Was my fav show before |Internet

[space lizard]

James Whale, is he the idiot that cuts people off all the time?

I havent seen or heard of him in years, homefully he's come up with a new shtick.

pop the link when its available please. I'm down under.

[sidlittle]

James whale supports the micro chipping of children. It would be interesting if someone brings this up tomorrow with icke around.

[eternal_spirit]

James Whale, is he the idiot that cuts people off all the time?

I havent seen or heard of him in years, homefully he's come up with a new shtick.

pop the link when its available please. I'm down under.

...................

He used to be a total ass, but changed his ways. Icke's been on his show many times.

[eternal_spirit]

James whale supports the micro chipping of children. It would be interesting if someone brings this up tomorrow with icke around.

................

wtf :eek: dumbass Whale :(

[steevo]

He used to be a total ass, but changed his ways. Icke's been on his show many times.
I agree, Whale has changed his views alot recently, coinciding with his last interview with DI, so he isnt the scum bag that he was turning into.

James whale supports the micro chipping of children. It would be interesting if someone brings this up tomorrow with icke around.

I remember him agreeing with microchipping kids when he was on a RANT because there was alot of mainstream media hype involving kids being involved in crime. And Whale took the bait Hook, Line and Sinker.

Years and years ago Whale used to be a really fair bloke who was TOTALLY ANTI-RACISM but not long after 911 he became VERY racist IMO which I found shocking. He became the classic Problem REACTION Solution, where he played his part in REACTING. He was REACTING exactly how the illuminati wanted him to.

Anyway, in Whale's last interview with Icke, I think Icke told Whale that the illuminati WANT Whale to react that way to help them push forward with their agenda. And since then Whale has calmed down a hell of alot. Thanks to Dave!

So i dont dislike Whaley as much as I used to :)
Also, I believe that Ash, who is Whales sidekick on the show, thinks that DI talks alot of sense.

[outlaworder]

whether you like him or loathe him james whale puts on a great show when icke is on...should be good
i think ash (james sidekick) is a funny dude and should add some humour..:D

[steevo]

whether you like him or loathe him james whale puts on a great show when icke is on...should be good
i think ash (james sidekick) is a funny dude and should add some humour..:D

EXACTLY!!! :)

[mr_pixie]

I don't like Whale's muppet show anymore either, but it's wortha listen if Icke is goona be on.:eek:

[shelflife]

Flippin' footy - Whaler will be fuuuumin'.

11pm then:rolleyes:

[steevo]

I'm gonna try to record the show and will post it if everything goes well.

[the infinite one]

james is on at 12!

http://www1.talksport.net/shows/schedule.asp?mi=2&day=TODAY

[steevo]

james is on at 12!

http://www1.talksport.net/shows/schedule.asp?mi=2&day=TODAY

No he's not he's on after the news at 11pm.

[veritas2007]

Top tip:

You can't stream it with Firefox :(

[steevo]

Top tip:

You can't stream it with Firefox :(

I'm currently recording it with a program called Audacity, it seems to be going well. Touch Wood.

[ak87]

Its not coming up on y mac!! help please?

[veritas2007]

Nice one, Audacity is a good prog. :)

Old Whaley seems to be pushing the lizard issue. Would like to hear more about NWO :(

[veritas2007]

Its not coming up on y mac!! help please?

!! I've had to run it through IE *shudders*

Can't help you on OSX, sorry

[ak87]

its cool thanks neway, wots the link for it cos everytime i press live listen some football audio clip keeps coming up?

[steevo]

its cool thanks neway, wots the link for it cos everytime i press live listen some football audio clip keeps coming up?

When that screen pops up, press the play button.

[ak87]

When that screen pops up, press the play button.

i press play but the same football tak keeps comin up

[steevo]

i press play but the same football tak keeps comin up

I dont know, maybe start from scratch again and see what happens. If it dont work I dont know then, maybe the talksport server is "full".

[ssyx]

Post in the general area please.
Save me coming back and forth :)

[the infinite one]

did anyone tape it?

[lookfar]

I think steevo has recorded it & will be uploading it at some point...

[steevo]

Here is the link so that you can download the MP3 of Dave on TalkSport (The James Whale Show, 7th Nov 2007) :-

http://www.sendspace.com/file/n8c06w

Dave needs our support : Here is a link to his new book :- The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy (and how to end it) (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=50)

[eternal_spirit]

Cheers Steevo, I'm downloading it now.

[mercuryrapids]

Excellent. Thanks, Steevo. I only caught it from 11:30 last night.:)

[mr_pixie]

September Clues (Part 1-8)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7879451094134182289&q=september+clues&total=207&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

[mr_pixie]

Micheal Tsarion Video links

Some Great Videos here folks.

2012 - The Future of Mankind
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822&q=Micheal+Tsarion&total=13&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

The Destruction Of Atlantis
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094&q=Micheal+Tsarion&total=13&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

The Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolis...
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8875751284579583762&q=Micheal+Tsarion&total=13&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

The Origins Of Evil by Michael Tsarion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5804447539516185980&q=origins+of+evil&total=180&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[brotherapostate]

thanks.

[horror]

best vid ive ever saw.
perhaps cause its the only tv fakery doco of this length.
some points may be not 100 % for any1 but in my opinion tv fake is a proven fact.
i ve only 3 questions left

1. why did they fake the whole flight 175 footage and alot of the manhattan skyline?
2.did they use missiles to hit all the 4 places ?
3. did they use 2 missiles for pentagon and shanksville and 2 remote planes for the wtc towers , and they just faked the planes to let them look like passenger jets?

in my opinion 2 is true, thats why they had no f 16 in the air, and the alleged planes could do strange things in the air like climbs and turns like military jets or missiles, and of course the planes at wtc left not a single undestroyable black box in the rubble.
another serious problem is that a boeing is not able to fly 850 kmh in 300 meters altitude.
official statement by 2 boeing official speakpersons.

[mr_pixie]

thanks.

No Problem;)

[picha]

another serious problem is that a boeing is not able to fly 850 kmh in 300 meters altitude.
official statement by 2 boeing official speakpersons.

Yes, IMO that is irrefutable proof of the NPT.

[ukor]

Yes, IMO that is irrefutable proof of the NPT.

That is totally and absolutely untrue, and is blatant disinformation which comes from a Boeing software engineer who allegedly helped design the stall warning system. The 'engineer' had the no planers wetting themselves with excitement by stating a large airliner would shake itself to pieces at 220mph, when the maximum speed to have the landing gear raised is 270kt - almost 100mph faster.

A B767 will not be able to accelerate to 550mph at that altitude, but in a dive from high altitude down to 1000ft, the only brake on its performance would be when the engine fans began stalling due to local supersonic airflow - probably in excess of 600mph depending on air conditions which dictate mach number.

But what it does clearly show is the absolute BS people will accept as 'irrefutable proof'.

[ukor]

best vid ive ever saw.
perhaps cause its the only tv fakery doco of this length.
some points may be not 100 % for any1 but in my opinion tv fake is a proven fact.
i ve only 3 questions left

1. why did they fake the whole flight 175 footage and alot of the manhattan skyline?

They didn't - see this thread for how that myth was bred by the blatantly deceiving September Clues.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11564

2.did they use missiles to hit all the 4 places ?
3. did they use 2 missiles for pentagon and shanksville and 2 remote planes for the wtc towers , and they just faked the planes to let them look like passenger jets?

This is unknown, although remote control substitutes seems most likely although Shanksville may have been how the lower grade contractors were dealt with

in my opinion 2 is true, thats why they had no f 16 in the air, and the alleged planes could do strange things in the air like climbs and turns like military jets or missiles, and of course the planes at wtc left not a single undestroyable black box in the rubble.
another serious problem is that a boeing is not able to fly 850 kmh in 300 meters altitude.
official statement by 2 boeing official speakpersons.

Black boxes were reportedly found at the WTC and subsequently 'disappeared'.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

See the previous post regarding airliner max speeds.

[masonfree party]

ukor...you're obviously new to researching 911 hence this disinfo link Black boxes were reportedly found at the WTC and subsequently 'disappeared'.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

next time try going to a proper 911 truth site like http://www.checktheevidence.com

[ukor]

ukor...you're obviously new to researching 911 hence this disinfo link Black boxes were reportedly found at the WTC and subsequently 'disappeared'.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

next time try going to a proper 911 truth site like http://www.checktheevidence.com

AFP has had some questionable links but nevertheless, I think I'll tend to believe their inteviews with workers who were actually at ground zero rather than Andrew 'no planes' Johnson's hobby conspiracy site, thanks.

[veritas2007]

UKOR, do you mean the workers who cleaned up ground zero or the fire department, police department, wtc office workers prior to and during the attacks?

[ukor]

UKOR, do you mean the workers who cleaned up ground zero or the fire department, police department, wtc office workers prior to and during the attacks?

Here's the AFP report for you to make of what you will, veritas.

"A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to “keep my mouth shut” about one of the “black boxes” a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four “black boxes” among the WTC rubble before January 2002.

The pair first claimed in an August 2003 book entitled Behind the Scene: Ground Zero to have found the data recorders.

DeMasi said the “black boxes” were found while he traversed “ground zero” in his all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with three federal agents.

FBI and New York fire officials have denied ever finding the voice and data recorders.

Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret.

“They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,” recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi’s ATV. “I said, ‘Give me a good reason.’ When they couldn’t, I told them I wouldn’t shut up about it.

“Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It’s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.”

Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the “black boxes.” He said there were several other witnesses and said he knows they have been silenced by federal agents.

“I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,” said Bellone. “They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.”

Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn’t break a fellow worker’s confidence by revealing his identity.

“I can tell you this, though, it was all very strange. I worked on the spaceship Columbia cleanup, and you know when something important is found and when something is not,” he said.

The day the “black boxes” were secretly carted away, agents acted like “something big was going down,” he added.

Bellone said he never learned the FBI agents’ names as this type of personal contact and information wasn’t exchanged between the civilian workers and government officials working side-by-side at ground zero.

“They had on their FBI jackets, but I’m sure I could pick them out of a lineup or recognize their pictures,” said Bellone.

The pair’s bombshell accusations blow a big hole in the official story as well as the findings in the recent 9-11 commission report.”

In Chapter 1, footnote 76, there is the sole but definitive reference to the airline “black boxes”: “The CVR’s (cockpit voice recorder) and the FDR’s (flight data recorder) from American 11 and United 175 were not found.”

Asked if DeMasi and Bellone were questioned or subpoenaed, commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said: “I can’t tell you now if he was one of the 1,200 people we interviewed or if the book was one of the countless ones we researched. We explored every lead, but I will try to find out if we talked with him and get back to you.”

Bellone said commission members never contacted him or DeMasi and never asked the two to appear before the group even though the book was published well before the hearings commenced.

“I have been contacted by only one newspaper reporter, from The Philadelphia Daily News,” said Bellone, referring to an October 2004 story by reporter William Bunch, who recapped DeMasi’s statements as well as the usual official denials.

Those close to the 9-11 investigation said the recovery of the “black boxes” is important because they may hold vital clues about what really happened on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

The cockpit voice recorder uses a pair of microphones to capture all cockpit sounds for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight. The flight data recorder is also significant since it records altitude, heading and airspeed.

Both recorders are designed to withstand enormous impact and heat. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) officials said they should have withstood the conditions at the WTC.

And finding the boxes after a crash seems to be standard procedure, according to the NTSB.

“It’s extremely rare that we don’t get the recorders back,’ said NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz. “I can’t remember another case which we did not recover the recorders.”

Bellone is retired and was made an honorary New York fireman for his efforts after 9-11. DeMasi has recently retired from Engine Co. 261, nicknamed the “Flaming Skulls.”
For my part, I'd speculate that positively identifying the exact planes used could never officially be allowed.

[picha]

That is totally and absolutely untrue, and is blatant disinformation which comes from a Boeing software engineer who allegedly helped design the stall warning system. The 'engineer' had the no planers wetting themselves with excitement by stating a large airliner would shake itself to pieces at 220mph, when the maximum speed to have the landing gear raised is 270kt - almost 100mph faster.

A B767 will not be able to accelerate to 550mph at that altitude, but in a dive from high altitude down to 1000ft, the only brake on its performance would be when the engine fans began stalling due to local supersonic airflow - probably in excess of 600mph depending on air conditions which dictate mach number.

But what it does clearly show is the absolute BS people will accept as 'irrefutable proof'.

How can you look at the videos of the building just swallowing the so called plane and see the building still in tact between the wing and the fuselage and still believe that a real plane was used?

[seer74]

I am utterly astounded that anyone on this forum believes ANY part of the official story of 9/11.

THE WHOLE STORY is SHEER NONSENSE

[veritas2007]

Interesting testimony although that doesn't prove the existence of planes.

As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on NPT until I see some concrete evidence one way or the other.

I am inclined to believe though that the debate over the modus operandi is irrelevant.

[ukor]

How can you look at the videos of the building just swallowing the so called plane and see the building still in tact between the wing and the fuselage and still believe that a real plane was used?

Because I can see the limitations and illusions of digital video rather than 'magic effects' or holograms or 'ghost planes' at work.

You might notice that the face of the WTC is plain flat grey in the videos, which shows that it's not resolving any detail of the dark windows and bright aluminium column cladding so we know it's below a minimum of 14inches at least and probably far more. It's only when the debris cloud of destruction reaches a certain size it even becomes visible.

It's instructive to compare video stills with hi-res photos such as those NIST include in their NCSTAR reports to compare how much detail the video evidence is obscuring.

Video is only one component of the available evidence, and best not blindly accepted as being primary the source for that reason.

[seer74]

Because I can see the limitations and illusions of digital video rather than 'magic effects' or holograms or 'ghost planes' at work.

You might notice that the face of the WTC is plain flat grey in the videos, which shows that it's not resolving any detail of the dark windows and bright aluminium column cladding so we know it's below a minimum of 14inches at least and probably far more. It's only when the debris cloud of destruction reaches a certain size it even becomes visible.

It's instructive to compare video stills with hi-res photos such as those NIST include in their NCSTAR reports to compare how much detail the video evidence is obscuring.

Video is only one component of the available evidence, and best not blindly accepted as being primary the source for that reason.

you are leaving out the most important evidence of all, the WITNESSES

[seer74]

and anyway the planes story defies the laws of motion. therefore, if it WAS planes they came from another dimension LOL

[ukor]

you are leaving out the most important evidence of all, the WITNESSES

The witnesses are essentially divided into two groups for the South Tower strike: those to the north who saw an explosion but no plane, and those to the south who saw everything.

For obvious reasons, no plane theorists like to emphasise the statements of those to the north and ignore the others.

[ukor]

and anyway the planes story defies the laws of motion. therefore, if it WAS planes they came from another dimension LOL

I've seen the impact force calculated at 3.24million KJ, which is quite a persuasive law of motion in itself.

[seer74]

The witnesses are essentially divided into two groups for the South Tower strike: those to the north who saw an explosion but no plane, and those to the south who saw everything.

For obvious reasons, no plane theorists like to emphasise the statements of those to the north and ignore the others.

many of those to the SOUTH said NO PLANE, or if they did say they saw a plane, they said it was NOT a commercial airliner at any rate. Some to the south said they saw a missile.

[seer74]

I've seen the impact force calculated at 3.24million KJ, which is quite a persuasive law of motion in itself.

which would cause major damage at the point of impact, perhaps even knock the whole building sideways immediately

insteadthe buildings remained intact for a period of time after which it came crashing straight down in a manner consistant with a controlled demolition.

and lets not forget that those who had been inside verify that it was brought down by explosions on the inside.

Were there commercial planes? Probably not. But maybe. Even if there were, they aren't what caused the collapse.

[ukor]

which would cause major damage at the point of impact, perhaps even knock the whole building sideways immediately

It verifiably knocked out several fascia sections, visible in the hi-res photos

insteadthe buildings remained intact for a period of time after which it came crashing straight down in a manner consistant with a controlled demolition.

and lets not forget that those who had been inside verify that it was brought down by explosions on the inside.

Were there commercial planes? Probably not. But maybe. Even if there were, they aren't what caused the collapse.

Agreed. The planes represented the unstoppable exterior threat which only provided semi-plausible cover for subsequent events; they did not cause collapse which was a separate and time-separated event.

[seer74]

It verifiably knocked out several fascia sections, visible in the hi-res photos


Agreed. The planes represented the unstoppable exterior threat which only provided semi-plausible cover for subsequent events; they did not cause collapse which was a separate and time-separated event.

something verifiably knocked out those sections obviously, this does not verify that it was a plane

at any rate wether there were planes or not is ultimatley moot when you emphasize the bigger issue on which it seems we are in agreement.

[helloperator]

I am utterly astounded that anyone on this forum believes ANY part of the official story of 9/11.

THE WHOLE STORY is SHEER NONSENSE

This forum yeah...but take a gander over at the thread section at imdb for the latest installment of Loose Change....there's some absolute diehard supporters of the official story there.

They camp there posting link after link to support everything in the official story. If you challenge them they internet stalk you.

[penfoldhearts]

September Clues woke many people up to do their own researches.

I don't agree with every analysis in it. For example the Theresa Renaud analysis was pretty fucked up. Personally I think she is credible, but not very reliable (she saw "definetly a small plane", but she was about three miles away from the towers). Social Service would have done better to do some deeper analysis into the live and first hand witnesses in order to find out, how few of them actually saw and especially heard a jet airliner. My conclusion is that most witnesses were no bribed to tell a lie, but guided to tell something else than they really saw.

Here's an example: I made my own researches watching the TV archives. One thing that finally convinced me it was all fakery and manipulation was the interview with Karim Arraki on ABC. You can watch it here (http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110831-0912) at 37:20.
Arraki was just about to spoil the show ("I never saw a plane like this before!"). In order to gain some time and prepare a screen shot, the moderator quickly changed the topic for a couple of seconds. Then he came back talking about the second plane. Immediately ABC shows the screen shot of the fake Boeing (zooming!)while Arraki again tells a completely different story. This scene just screams for "don't listen to that nutjob. watch the TV screen!".
Perfect manipulation of the TV lemmings.

September Clues is far from being perfect. I don't even think that Social Service has ever been in New York. But after all he is on the right track. The live footage was excessively manipulated and there is way more evidence for this than Septemer Clues actually exposes.

[mr_pixie]

How does a plastic nose cone go through a steel renforced concrete building and come out the other side:confused: ?

Nose in and Nose out!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mr_pixie]

Shock and Awe: CNN Fake is not Real:mad:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mr_pixie]

Look at the left wing, it's see through!:eek:

[mr_pixie]

Ground Zero Missile Attack

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mr_pixie]

The Untold Story of the Woolworth Building Incidents on 9-11

Missile Firing Off the Roof of the Woolworth Building

http://www.orbwar.com/woolworth/

[kallista]

Very interesting article. Thanks for that.
The most interesting aspect for me is the fact that like all idiots, George slipped up yet again. It makes perfect sense, of course he saw the first plane hit the tower whilst sitting in the Presedential Limo, he had private footage. I had assumed he was lying.

[seer74]

whatever. all that matters about 9/11 is we were all LIED to about ALL of the who/what/where/how AND why, and to what end.

the only thing true in the official story is when. And if they could have they'd have sold us a lie about that too.

[mr bridger]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8IiQMjf3U#GU5U2spHI_4

[killtown]

The Hezarkhani is one of the most obvious fakes. Just look how the plane slips through the facade without meeting ANY resistance:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9189/hezarkhanicumv3.gif
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#Michael_Hezarkhani

No slowing, no crumpling, no wings with fuel exploding, no wings/tail getting hacked off. It looks just like a plane crashing into if building in Flight Simulator:

9/11 planes melted into WTC just like in Flight Simulator - YouTube


It's probably why Mr. Hezarkhani refused to discuss anything about his alleged video other than confirming that he took it, saying his lawyer forbids him to talk about it (It's also the video where Mr. Hezarkhani's voice is heard at different times in different versions of his alleged video):

Filmer of accused fake WTC crash video won't disclose shot location (http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/08/filmer-of-accused-fake-wtc-video-wont.html)

[mr_pixie]

Short video clip: No Plane

'They don't see no [plane] debris down there' - WTC 1 crash

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mr_pixie]

Short radio clip: Jim Fetzer

Professor Jim Fetzer on TV Fakery and No Plane Theory:D

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mr_pixie]

Banned TV Fakery Evidence - 911 Octopus Counter-Propaaganda

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I'm not sure what I'm ment to be looking at here?

[mr_pixie]

I see, it's the Manhatan Bridge and the biuldings in the background.:)

[mr_pixie]

So John conventional explosive's turned concrete and steel to Micro fine dust then.

Please answer this question?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15433

[adimon]

Why don't we focus on the theories and the debate rather than all this petty squabbling? :confused:

[mr_pixie]

Loose Change Protects the Perps: 911 TV Fakery Censorship

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

They hardly let KT speak.:(

[mr_pixie]

Why don't we focus on the theories and the debate rather than all this petty squabbling? :confused:

This Question is very important.

[adimon]

Why not ask him via PM then? John is always happy to correspond via PM with me. There are plenty of NPT threads and I follow them closely. I just don't see the point in a JW thread. :confused:

[adimon]

Actually, I don't think its fair to say that they 'don't let him speak'. They let him speak for a fair bit. Yes he asks questions that go unanswered, but hey, no one has the answers yet. We're still looking at theories. When researchers cant agree on who shot what footage it means we're not really getting anywhere.

[john white]

This thread is a crude effort Stephen

You and I both know where in your own crude way you are trying to steer debate to:

"Believe an orbiting Beam Weapon took out the towers or you are with the terrorists"

No thanks

I don't believe in "thermate and explosives" theory in fact: it is a theory. Only an fool believes in theories as if a theory in itself must be true. Theories are possibilities. Truth is FACT

It is possible any number of unknown methods could have been used to bring down the towers

But I will NOT abandon all sembalance of reason and method to believe the outragous ramblings of someone like Wood in the way that you are sadly only too keen to do:

ALL I need to know is that the likelyhood of aircraft alone bringing the towers down is very very low

I go and campaign on that with real people and advance 9/11 Truth

You, however, are lowering yourself to attacking other truthseekers out of your own paranoia and fear

You have become the anti-truther

[teslafire]

What I don't understand is how people can't even acknowledge the glaring video composites....just forget everything else and just look at the video...not the youtube stuff, go to archive.org or watch any 911 dvd and just look

don't worry about, 'well if that's not it, what is'....just simply observe

[lennart]

What I don't understand is how people can't even acknowledge the glaring video composites....just forget everything else and just look at the video...not the youtube stuff, go to archive.org or watch any 911 dvd and just look

don't worry about, 'well if that's not it, what is'....just simply observe

The CIA has an army of liars standing ready to lie for them. So that everyone saw a plane could easily be a lie. And there is absolutely something very strange with those videos. I,ve seen them also in higher quality and it,s very very strange...

[steevo]

There are quite a few people on here trying to discredit the truth movement but 911 was definitely an inside job IMO.

[teslafire]

911 was definitely an inside job IMO.

Nope, holograms, the whole 911 truth movement is nothing but a hologram, a programmed script manifesting a desired outcome while keeping us literally wrapped up in spectacular visual effects. ;)

[edro9494]

Loose Change also protects the Israeli's and their involvement and advance knowledge.

but don't worry dear, just a coinicidence.

[dave52]

There are quite a few people on here trying to discredit the truth movement but 911 was definitely an inside job IMO.

There is no doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. The problem we have is the fact that the "Truth" movement is being steered and infiltrated. You have to look at all the evidence and make your own judgement. Too many people watch Loose Change and think - well that's it, that's what really happened. But Loose Change has quite a narrow mandate. LC supporters will say that it just sticks to provable facts. LC dissenters will say that LC protects the real perps which is why there's big chunks of info missing (with the final edition being the worst culprit for this).

Find your own way, but do keep looking.

[adimon]

The problem we have is the fact that the "Truth" movement is being steered and infiltrated. You have to look at all the evidence and make your own judgement. Too many people watch Loose Change and think - well that's it, that's what really happened. But Loose Change has quite a narrow mandate. LC supporters will say that it just sticks to provable facts. LC dissenters will say that LC protects the real perps which is why there's big chunks of info missing (with the final edition being the worst culprit for this).

Find your own way, but do keep looking.

Excellent post...I totally agree... :)

Provided one is using the definition of 'inside job' as indicated on my recent poll...

[christophera]

The problem we have is the fact that the "Truth" movement is being steered and infiltrated. You have to look at all the evidence and make your own judgement. Too many people watch Loose Change and think - well that's it, that's what really happened. But Loose Change has quite a narrow mandate. LC supporters will say that it just sticks to provable facts. LC dissenters will say that LC protects the real perps which is why there's big chunks of info missing (with the final edition being the worst culprit for this).

Find your own way, but do keep looking.



Excellent post...I totally agree... :)

Provided one is using the definition of 'inside job' as indicated on my recent poll...

There are at least 4 designed aspects which were in place as infiltrating, defeating elements.

1.Pre 9-11 disinformation removing image and data about the true tower design having a steel reinforced, tubular cast concrete core. Including the video doucumentary produced by PBS in 1990 titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers".

2).MKultra victims programmed to only believe the official story conditionally triggered by 9-11 into programmed behaviors.

3).MKultra victims who were designated for support promotion in the movement, programmed to believe in demolition (bizarre space beam, nuke whatever) but not be able to use the true tower design information, conditionally triggered by 9-11 into programmed behaviors.

4).Agents having connections and money who knew of the MKultra victims of 3). and were prepared to assist them with cash and contacts for promotion into positions of quasi leadership.

Want to work against it? Read this thread and post in it.

The Infiltration Of The Truth Movement.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8808

[helloperator]

Isralies, zionists, politicians...if you ask me right now, the people who pulled the strings and set it all up are insanely rich peadophiles.

[christophera]

Isralies, zionists, politicians...if you ask me right now, the people who pulled the strings and set it all up are insanely rich peadophiles.


As a generalization, that would be accurate, very. To get very specific, would increase effectiveness.

In order to overcome their current efforts to evade accountability, please examine the thread I last posted and post there your acceptance and understanding of what I've encountered, witnessed and done accordingly, if you wish to be progressive in the movement.

Thanks

[steevo]

Loose Change also protects the Israeli's and their involvement and advance knowledge.

but don't worry dear, just a coinicidence.

Israeli's ? The Illuminati would love it if we blamed people of a certain country. It's not the Jews or the Israeli's. It's the Illuminati and their puppets. The people who pull the strings, THEY are the ones.

There is no doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. The problem we have is the fact that the "Truth" movement is being steered and infiltrated. You have to look at all the evidence and make your own judgement. Too many people watch Loose Change and think - well that's it, that's what really happened. But Loose Change has quite a narrow mandate. LC supporters will say that it just sticks to provable facts. LC dissenters will say that LC protects the real perps which is why there's big chunks of info missing (with the final edition being the worst culprit for this).

Find your own way, but do keep looking.

Yeah maybe they have been infultrated, that is very possible. It doesnt mean that there NOT people in the movement who are doing their damned best to get the truth out.

The agents are constantly trying to infultrate the David Icke Forum and try to steer it. If their masters say "beg" they do it lmao PATHETIC! And the funny thing is when their masters are finished with them, they then will be like little lost poodles and they will regret having been someone's dog and regret all the nasty evil things that they have done against their fellow man, sad!

[helloperator]

As a generalization, that would be accurate, very. To get very specific, would increase effectiveness.

In order to overcome their current efforts to evade accountability, please examine the thread I last posted and post there your acceptance and understanding of what I've encountered, witnessed and done accordingly, if you wish to be progressive in the movement.

Thanks

What thread? Does it list NAMES, the actual names of the actual people who organised and orchestrated 911?

I'm sick of hearing zionist this illuminati that, nwo this, Israel that.

I want names.

[christophera]

Israeli's ? The Illuminati would love it if we blamed people of a certain country. It's not the Jews or the Israeli's. It's the Illuminati and their puppets. The people who pull the strings, THEY are the ones.

Yeah maybe they have been infultrated, that is very possible. It doesnt mean that there NOT people in the movement who are doing their damned best to get the truth out.

The agents are constantly trying to infiltrate the David Icke Forum and try to steer it. If their masters say "beg" they do it lmao PATHETIC! And the funny thing is when their masters are finished with them, they then will be like little lost poodles and they will regret having been someone's dog and regret all the nasty evil things that they have done against their fellow man, sad!

Good post and perspective Steevo,

And yes, there are many sincere truth seekers. The problem seems to be the artificial promotion of quasi leadership that uses government information without question, such as FEAM structural data which leaves them utterly without explanations for events. According, no unity or impetus to action can develop.

Consider MKultra as a project that was intended to create people who would compulsively, sincerely, promote nonsense for a few years to thoroughly confuse and mislead the movement. They are some of the fervent followers that are seen by the sincere as reason to follow, at least for awhile, until burnout. Exactly the purpose of the whole design. All the MKultra victims masters have to do is present the conditional information/conditions which the victims are programmed with, and the victims will be obsessed and compulsively espouse WHATEVER, until the end of the agenda, their programming, or the truth is found whereupon they will have an empty feeling of knowing they were manipulated, but absolutely no idea of how.

I recommend this page as it has a variety of substantiated facts dealing with mind control.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

[christophera]

What thread? Does it list NAMES, the actual names of the actual people who organised and orchestrated 911?

I'm sick of hearing zionist this illuminati that, nwo this, Israel that.

I want names.

This thread has hard facts about we are doing, and what we are not doing.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8808

I want names too, but the order of events for investigation put that factor further down the road than we currently are.

The logical order of development of an investigation of this type is; "What happened?", our movement is not yet effectively past that; next is "How did it happen?.

I think that most people inherently know there was a demolition, but the fact that the "appointed, false leadership" cannot begin to define "how?" means that those pragmatic citizens that really want something to change, cannot find substance enough to identify with and so move on to be further disgusted with nonsense, "missile pods" "space beams, nukes and NPT subterfuge.

[helloperator]

In many ways...stuff all that, let the people just start crashing doors down.

[christophera]

In many ways...stuff all that, let the people just start crashing doors down.


That, .......... is exactly what the infiltrating perps want. You can see them preparing for it with S.1959. If that happens, we will not even be able to assemble.

Intelligent and reasonable people USE THE SYSTEM to control the system. However, we have not yet shown we can even reason.

So maybe angry stupid people will try crashing doors down and play right into the hands of the perps.

[helloperator]

So let it be an arm wrestle to the death.

Using the system to beat the system is impossible.

I'm afraid there is no answer. In my mind, we are all trapped in a speeding car and noone has control.

[killtown]

The most embarrassing phrase that Dylan wish he never said:

"Big lie! Big lie! Big lie! ... No Killtown, because you ARE lying."
- Dylan Avery (May 9, 2007)

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/06/loose-change-frontman-dylan-avery.html

[veritas2007]

The most embarrassing phrase that Dylan wish he never said:

I've seen the video on YouTube with the radio phone in between you and Dylan, Killtown and I was disgusted with they way he just kept shouting "Big lie!". Just leaves you with the opinion that he's a spoiled little brat.

[howie]

Rose Arce didn't film the ghostplane video.

[menses]

Dylan Avery is Controlled Opposition...

[steevo]

Dylan Avery is Controlled Opposition...

Why is he "controlled opposition" ? Cos he isnt dead ? The information coming from Loose Change is waking people up. Agents REALLY hate that :D
It's the INFORMATION that is important and the information is waking people up, and what YOU do with the information is up to you. Maybe you can just sit at the computer telling us that Dylan Avery is controlled opposition and do fuck all!

[masonfree party]

same as Ray Griffin the one world government salesman

[christophera]

So let it be an arm wrestle to the death.

Using the system to beat the system is impossible.

I'm afraid there is no answer. In my mind, we are all trapped in a speeding car and noone has control.

IF, the people could unify, the people could control the government. There is a term, "The tyranny of the masses". Currently, this is working against us because of media. And, few disagree with that proposal.

THEREFORE We should be going after media and force them to give us control, because THAT is really their duty within the "public trust".

[christophera]

Why is he "controlled opposition" ? Cos he isnt dead ? The information coming from Loose Change is waking people up. Agents REALLY hate that :D
It's the INFORMATION that is important and the information is waking people up, and what YOU do with the information is up to you. Maybe you can just sit at the computer telling us that Dylan Avery is controlled opposition and do fuck all!

There is some truth in what you say steevo,

Loose change serves some function. However, it doesn't serve it well enough to convince some people, those people that demand an explanation for HOW it was done if a demo. Hearing that the "official story cannot be right", will NOT move them to our side. They MUST have a fully feasible explanation that actually explains events.

Personally, technically I know that mere planted explosives cannot be responsible for this.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexploding.jpg

Never. What is seen is far too uniform. Placement and distribution of explosives are much too critical in attaining that uniformity and totality of breakage. Built to demolish becomes the only option.

Then the skeptics cannot believe that secrecy adequate could have existed. Well, ................ we just went through 40 years of cold war. JFK warned about secrecy, Ike warned about the military industrial complex.

At this point in peoples minds, ................... they are seriously hit with cognitive dissonance and are prepping for a major bout of dissociation to permanently rid themselves of any responsibility to deal with any of it.

Then, .......... it basically didn't happen and they go on with business as usual.

The perfect crime, the big lie. Nobody will believe it happened and whatever explanation is accepted by the majority, is just fine. "Not my problem".

Media could deal with it, but we will have to force them to act with intensive legal action.

[helloperator]

I think explosives could be responsible for that...sure, regular controlled domolitions aim to keep outward explosions to a minimum....everything is sought to be controlled...but in the tt's case....why not rig the buildings with explosives that don't adhere to the regulation plan? You can still blow it up, and I'm sure you could blow it up with any number of configurations....from very much controlled, like wtc7, to very much chaotic, like the wtc's.

[christophera]

I think explosives could be responsible for that...sure, regular controlled domolitions aim to keep outward explosions to a minimum....everything is sought to be controlled...but in the tt's case....why not rig the buildings with explosives that don't adhere to the regulation plan? You can still blow it up, and I'm sure you could blow it up with any number of configurations....from very much controlled, like wtc7, to very much chaotic, like the wtc's.

Sure you could blow it up, but the concrete core turned into this,

Sand and gravel (http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg)

and THAT cannot be done with mere planted charges here and there. Now many do not know enough about concrete and steel, or what it looks like to be able to know there were no steel core columns in the core but there was a cast concrete tubular core. That is another issue.

The placement must be perfect and the distribution so complete that 5 years of drilling holes wouldn't be enough.

Then, there are these.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif

I've been a welder for 35 years. I'm better with a cutting torch than most welders. There is no way to make that cut at ground zero and the columns that did exist which surrounded the concrete core were cut absolutely level with each other, smooth and square.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/WTC1int.box.cols.gif

The green arrows indicate elevator guide rail support steel that has a non level, non square, ragged torch cut. The red arrow indicates a primary elevator guide rail support member (others inside the core were laterally braced by the primaries) that has a horizontal beam connecting it to the interior box column. That beam was cast in concrete but the concrete turned to Sand and gravel (http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg) because the concrete was an engineering explosive container. The perfectly placed (centralized) high explosive was also perfectly distributed. Upon detonation the maximum pressures were generated making the maximum shock wave which just ripped the concrete apart. It also created masses of superfine particulate that was very hot and mixed with hot gasses which created the pyroclastic flow.

[helloperator]

So you're saying...........

[teslafire]

Thermite is messy, not clean like the cuts in the photo that Christophera posted.

Look:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[christophera]

So you're saying...........

I'm saying the only thing which is comprehensive to the evidence is that the towers were built to demolish. The identical aspects of their demise and the amazing uniformity attest to the veracity of the proposition. The fact that the only feasible explanation in existence for these 5 factors hinges on "built to demolish" means that "built to demolish" needs to be a focus.

free fall (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
total pulverization (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/collapsed%20to%20dust.mpg)
superfine, heated particulate (http://www.tiny.cc/oonyg)
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif)
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1plumecascade.jpg)

Nothing can be explained with the FEMA steel core column lie as a structure.

Support for the steel core columns is support for the impossible to obscure the possible.

Better than a demolition, BUILT TO DEMOLISH.

All five of the above phenomena are feasibly explained and NONE of those who believe in the FEMA lie can even approach. All it depends on is secrecy.

free fall (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
Concrete can be fractured instantly to fall freely by a small amount of properly placed explosives. With C4 coated rebar and C4 poured into the floor corrugations that also acted as cutting charges for the interior box columns, the only full height columns that existed, free fall was assured. The security phone lines were used to distribute an audio tone to digital counters on every floor and every 40 foot of core. Floors were timed with 75 millisecond delays and core sections of 40 foot at 300 milliseconds.

total pulverization (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/collapsed%20to%20dust.mpg)
The above free fall explanation takes care of the building but it needs to be said that when the floors blow and the 300 milliseconds delay of the core blast occurs, the contents of the building are subjected to an outward blast of hard stone aggregates that shred everything and blow it out the windows explaining the 3-5cm bone fragments on roofs 400 feet away.

superfine, heated particulate (http://www.tiny.cc/oonyg)
With an engineered explosive container made from concrete having the explosive coating on the centralized rebar, the pressures from optimum containment are absolutely maximized. Optimized pressures create a maximum shock wave lending to the total pulverization described in the above paragraph but also creating the 10-100 micron sized particles that are super heated to rise and form the distinctive pyroclastic flow. This also causes some of the iron of the rebar to be bonded to molecules of silica and calcium as seen in the dust analysis.

smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif)
The C4 filled corrugations died out into special corner plates that were described in the 1990 documentary as stiffeners for the floor to column joint. There were 6 plates per column, installed in 2 layers all the way around the tower every 3rd floor made from tempered steel, 3/8 thick I think. If these were high pressure gas guides a collapsing plane of high pressure gas would surround the column and slice through it performing as an optimized cutting charge built into the floors (http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383). Good evidence is shown with a ruptured column (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/explorupturedcolumn.gif). This also provides a very good explanation for the large quantity of iron microspheres as dark columns of iron particulate seen in images are blown out the tops of the severed but still standing interior box columns inside the clouds of debris in the surrounding demolition. (http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg)

heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1plumecascade.jpg)
Some of the cutting charges failed due to exposure to bad weather during construction. When this happened, large assemblies were intact and the webs of floor "I" beams against the core; still connected to floor beams going out to the perimeter columns, still connected by spandrel plates in the 3 story panels delivered for assembly; were subected to the expanding debris wave of the concrete core detonating which cause a billowing of the web of an "I" beam showing huge pressure applied horizontally (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/pre.cut.salvage.box.column.jpg)

Every phenomena explained in detail. All it depends upon is the infiltration of the US government before 1966 by a faction capable and secrecy adequate to design and construct such building for the purpose of eventual demolition.

Since the "built to demolish" scenario is dependent upon the concrete core, the FEMA deception needs to be a focus. Be assured that the agents of the perpetrators are totally focused on getting rid of the concrete core. That alone should be an indicator of where the truth movement needs to put their energy.

[christophera]

Thermite is messy, not clean like the cuts in the photo that Christophera posted.

Look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEmHJORTlqk

Hmmmm, youtube removed that video.


However, your point is exact. Not that thermite was not used. It was, in mass, but only on the first floor and in the basement.

The notion of built in high performance cutting charges is totally supported by the below image and diagram. If such charges are built in on every 3rd floor and there were 24 interior [url=http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg]box columns,[/media] (not inside the core, but of the inner wall of the outer steel framework) then the possibility of some of those malfunctioning is fairly high. Here is an image of exactly that. The damage and billowing of the wide box column walls are EXACTLY what would be expected in the case of one detonating, but being over loaded or the tube above blocked.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/explorupturedcolumn.gif

And, observe the [url=http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg]dark clouds at top[/media] and realize that a number of images show those distinct dark clouds of particulate at the top of the clouds over the descending tower debris. The amount of iron microspheres found indicates that massive amounts of steel were subjected to disintegrating forces so intense that microscopic particulate was formed.

That, is a VERY unique event similar to many tons of molten steel. Both can only happen in a VERY limited way. In fact, I can think of only one way for each that fits within evidence of conditions.

[shredmasteruk]

OK then, if thermite was used, where's the barium nitrite ?

How was a slow burning substance which follows gravity able to cut through vertical columns ?

[veritas2007]

Interesting although you have to use Web Archive for most of the links which, IMO, is also interesting.

[christophera]

OK then, if thermite was used, where's the barium nitrite ?

How was a slow burning substance which follows gravity able to cut through vertical columns ?

I did not say thermite was used anywhere except for the basement and first floor. Above the first floor the built in cutting charges were used exclusively. The spire (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/media/56016/site1074.jpg) was a situation where the cutting charges were left exposed during bad weather encountered during construction, and failed to detonate leaving the heavy steel structure standing until charges below took out its base.

The 1993 bombing was used as a reason to install a "special fireproofing, in case of further terrorism" (words direct from a final followup newscast after the WTC was reopened in 1994).

If gypsum wall board was used to contain the thermite; which does become liquid when burning; in panels against the vertical columns, the thermite could burn through and spill inside the box column and completely sever them.

The barium nitrate was shipped over seas with the steel. Reports from India indicate steel workers dealing with the steel were sickened by vapors from it at the foundary.

[helloperator]

Judging by the amount of replies, this information isn't worthy of exploring.

But I think it's interesting.

[christophera]

Actually, I don't think its fair to say that they 'don't let him speak'. They let him speak for a fair bit. Yes he asks questions that go unanswered, but hey, no one has the answers yet. We're still looking at theories. When researchers cant agree on who shot what footage it means we're not really getting anywhere.

Is it true planes were hijacked and flown into 2 videos that were dustified identically at free fall?

[mr_pixie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FAWi_u1hg

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:

[weston white]

That could just as well be smoke from the exploding fuel coming out in the shape a what appears to be the noise of the aircraft and just as well the front angle may have not captured it clearly do to the shadowing and poor image quality. Just as well who is to say which videos have been edited and which ones have not. Several released videos have been edited, though that does not mean actual planes were not used. It just means not all videos are accurate.

[weston white]

Well it is true that when building a case you must focus on what is called best evidence, thus things such as shooting missiles from from fixtures attached to the exterior of the plane, unless there is physical evidence of such items located, do not remain within the argument for the case, because at this point it is merely speculation, and weak at its best. Loose Change is a very good video for the purposes of explaining the truth of 9/11 and is really meant of the younger crowd, there are many other much better documentaries out there such as 9/11 Justice, 9/11: Blueprint for Truth, 9/11 The Myth and the Reality that all focus on straight scientific aspects of 9/11.


I wrote up a report on aspects of 9/11 that argues several important impossibles that had occurred on 9/11 which have not been talked about or are rarely discussed, (it is a first draft and I plan on expanding on it later, when I finish up other projects I am working on).
http://defendindependence.org/OIF/9-11ARP.PDF

[mr_pixie]

That could just as well be smoke from the exploding fuel coming out in the shape a what appears to be the noise of the aircraft

Give us a break :)

[weston white]

Missiles fired from rooftops, stealth bombers, and graphical image overlays I don't know, this seems a little over the top to be feasible. Using the planes fly-by-wire capabilities (either drone planes loaded with fuel and explosives or the actual commercial jetliners themselves) in coordination with a professionally preplanned demolition, seem much more likely and realistic. Heck otherwise might as well go with the sonic beam-ray from space and alien conspiracy theory. lol.

[weston white]

I just find it very difficult to believe that the nose of the plane after smashing through over 200+ feet of occupied space would appear in its original form after breaking through the opposite exterior wall of the building... I find it even more unbelievable that if this were an actual animation overlay that the designer(s) and the approving official/network manager would have believed that to be possible themselves and/or would have failed to catch such an obvious mistake.

That being said I also find it very strange how so many demon faces formed in the smoke and exploding fireballs. Though I do believe actual planes were used, though I am also open to the idea that they planes were quickly overlaid over missiles being fired into the buildings. However, I think if you are going to do something like this why not just use actual planes, what does it matter, unless you did not want to take the hit for the actual loss of hundred million dollar aircraft vs. the cost of a few missiles valued at a few million dollars a peace.

It is mainly all of the eyewitnesses and the sound of the approaching aircraft on the videos and the expected reaction of the eyewitnesses in the area that sway my opinion that it was actual planes were used and not missiles, though they could have been military drones or look a likes and not the actual commercial flight themselves.

Then again they all could be actors and the like, but that does not seem very realistic at all, hundreds upon hundreds of actors and no real people around that entire portion of the city.

[howie]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5944/holethatwasntthereiw3.jpg

[weston white]

I the message of the image conveying that there was some form of detonation set off to cause that damage and/or damage from the aircraft debris and fuel? But there was no large object such as the nose,mainframe, or engines that exited from the structure? Or, is it arguing the case that there was not plane at all and was an explosion and/or missile f some type? If in the case of a missile why could it not have been the casing of a large missile that was ejected out the other side (in the center of the large photo there is a column that is bend outwards so something did physically eject, the question is what exactly was that object a missile, an explosive device, or a piece of a plane)?

[mr_pixie]

Questioning Steve Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdzx85klMYk

[mr_pixie]

Missiles fired from rooftops, stealth bombers, and graphical image overlays I don't know, this seems a little over the top to be feasible.

Heck otherwise might as well go with the sonic beam-ray from space and alien conspiracy theory. lol.

Hey what about Shape Shifting Lizards? ;) Come on Fella keep a open mind:cool:

[christophera]

Well it is true that when building a case you must focus on what is called best evidence, thus things such as shooting missiles from from fixtures attached to the exterior of the plane, unless there is physical evidence of such items located, do not remain within the argument for the case, because at this point it is merely speculation, and weak at its best. Loose Change is a very good video for the purposes of explaining the truth of 9/11 and is really meant of the younger crowd, there are many other much better documentaries out there such as 9/11 Justice, 9/11: Blueprint for Truth, 9/11 The Myth and the Reality that all focus on straight scientific aspects of 9/11.


I wrote up a report on aspects of 9/11 that argues several important impossibles that had occurred on 9/11 which have not been talked about or are rarely discussed, (it is a first draft and I plan on expanding on it later, when I finish up other projects I am working on).
http://defendindependence.org/OIF/9-11ARP.PDF


Hello weston,

I've produced a 16 minute video in 2 parts that I think has more usable substance than all of the others combined. Of, course, that is my opinion. Then again it actually explains these five factors.

free fall (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
total pulverization (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/collapsed%20to%20dust.mpg)
superfine, heated particulate (http://www.tiny.cc/oonyg)
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif)
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1plumecascade.jpg)

The FEMA and the steel core column lie cannot be used to explain anything.

Support for the steel core columns is support for the impossible to obscure the possible.

What happened was better than a demolition, it was BUILT TO DEMOLISH.

All five of the above phenomena are feasibly explained and NONE of those who believe in the FEMA lie can feasibly explain even one.

free fall (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
Concrete can be fractured instantly to fall freely by a small amount of properly placed explosives. With C4 coated rebar and C4 poured into the floor corrugations that also acted as cutting charges for the interior box columns, the only full height columns that existed, free fall was assured. The security phone lines were used to distribute an audio tone to digital counters on every floor and every 40 foot of core. Floors were timed with 75 millisecond delays and core sections of 40 foot at 300 milliseconds.

total pulverization (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/collapsed%20to%20dust.mpg)
The above free fall explanation takes care of the building but it needs to be said that when the floors blow and the 300 milliseconds delay of the core blast occurs, the contents of the building are subjected to an outward blast of hard stone aggregates that shred everything and blow it out the windows explaining the 3-5cm bone fragments on roofs 400 feet away.

superfine, heated particulate (http://www.tiny.cc/oonyg)
With an engineered explosive container made from concrete having the explosive coating on the centralized rebar, the pressures from optimum containment are absolutely maximized. Optimized pressures create a maximum shock wave lending to the total pulverization described in the above paragraph but also creating the 10-100 micron sized particles that are super heated to rise and form the distinctive pyroclastic flow. This also causes some of the iron of the rebar to be bonded to molecules of silica and calcium as seen in the dust analysis.

smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif)
The C4 filled corrugations died out into special corner plates that were described in the 1990 documentary as stiffeners for the floor to column joint. There were 6 plates per column, installed in 2 layers all the way around the tower every 3rd floor made from tempered steel, 3/8 thick I think. If these were high pressure gas guides a collapsing plane of high pressure gas would surround the column and slice through it performing as an optimized cutting charge built into the floors (http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383). Good evidence is shown with a ruptured column (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/explorupturedcolumn.gif). This also provides a very good explanation for the large quantity of iron microspheres as dark columns of iron particulate seen in images are blown out the tops of the severed but still standing interior box columns inside the clouds of debris in the surrounding demolition. (http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg)

heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1plumecascade.jpg)
Some of the cutting charges failed due to exposure to bad weather during construction. When this happened, large assemblies were intact and the webs of floor "I" beams against the core; still connected to floor beams going out to the perimeter columns, still connected by spandrel plates in the 3 story panels delivered for assembly; were subected to the expanding debris wave of the concrete core detonating which cause a billowing of the web of an "I" beam showing huge pressure applied horizontally (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/pre.cut.salvage.box.column.jpg)

Every phenomena explained in detail. All it depends upon is the infiltration of the US government before 1966 by a faction capable and secrecy adequate to design and construct such building for the purpose of eventual demolition.

[sidlittle]

(in the center of the large photo there is a column that is bend outwards so something did physically eject,
Look again..There isn't a hole, not even there. Plus the damage is too far over and not aligned with where the 'nose-out' is located.

the question is what exactly was that object a missile, an explosive device, or a piece of a plane)?
Interesting that you haven't suggested 'dust/debris/fuel' like the fundamentalist planehuggers. Face it, it's a smoking gun, and without an exit hole , the plane huggers are only left with pushing the absurd theory that dust and debris exited the broken windows and metamorphosed into the shape of a nose cone.

http://i15.tinypic.com/7xv2r8h.jpg

It's simple (IMHO)-The WNYW chopper 5 live shot was ballsed up and gamma press 'nose-out' was put out there for plausible deniability.

[weston white]

Well there is a column bused out near the center of the image and you cant really tell the exact location of the "nose cone" appearing object.

All I am saying is that in some of the images it looks like it could be a burst of smoke under forced pressure before it begins to open up and expand and others it does appear to be either a missile or nose of a plane.

Two other things occurred to me last night also:

A. This video could have been purposefully faked as a type of contingency plan to fall back on and/or because the best way to cover up something is to have so many varied theories put out there that anybody paying attention will quickly get tired of hearing them all and either become over whelmed and spend all their time arguing pointless antics or just quite caring all together and get on with their own lives thereby effectively forgetting about the whole thing other then to wave a flag one a year in remembrance. I am sure the CIA is well of the effectiveness of these types of methods.

B. This was a purposeful mistake left in by the responsible(s) as a clue to anybody paying attention that things are not in fact what they seem.

[weston white]

Is there links to your videos, I would like to check them out. I like things based on facts, science, and law; you can't argue against such things unless you are ignorant to them, in which case arguing with such a person is pointless... like having a conversation with any of the Bush family. :cool:

[weston white]

LOL, yea I do not think David Icke is to far from the true, however, I see not point in debating such things other then for entertainment, there are so many more pressing matters and truths to be exposed before we invest time and energy into trying to expose such notions. Because in the end where does it get you? We can't prove such things, no matter how hard we try, and it only makes us come off as mentally insane and under medicated. Besides if it is even remotely true, we will never be permitted to expose them, we would effectively be fish in a barrel... we have already lost, we just don't realize it yet (I am picturing a very small fish swimming upstream in a very large rapid).

[weston white]

Dr. Jones always laughs nervously like that, I don't think he really likes being the center of attention.

I am sure many of those aircraft parts were planted, but merely for effect because they knew that nothing would be retrievable from the collapsed towers and would need some evidence to show court of public opinion.

The beam ray, even it was used how would it make the building explode? Striking a missile in flight and demolishing massive structures are not in the same realm.

If a ray was used would it not be seen by witnesses? As a bright beam of some sort.

How does it work by super heating a surface with a type of microwave causing it to fail?

If it was used why would there be circles all over the place, would it not be a precision targeted device with 0 percent change of missing its intended targets, i.e. sure the buildings are designed to sway a little in the wind, but those holes are all way to far apart.

Could those images not be altered?

If the beam took down the buildings with such ease why would it only put in small holes into the streets, would it not rather burn a massive hole into the street?

Could those circular indentations not have been from circular objects that fell, such as air conditioners, fan housings, heavy gear components and housings, etc.

The damage to the cars and fire engines only serve to prove that thermate was used, if a beam ray is cutting circles into everything then why not the cars and fire engines to? Why would it only leave behind what appears to be molten runoff and impact damage?

This video seems more like an attempt to smear Jones for not joining up with the Dr.

Professor Jones is providing expertise in how the building fell, he is not really concerned with what actually crashed into them.

If it was a controlled demolition job, why would there need to be a beam ray device used in conjunction with the explosives?

[sidlittle]

Well there is a column bused out near the center of the image and you cant really tell the exact location of the "nose cone" appearing object.

The casing is busted out but the column is intact. So there is no exit hole. Anything 'physical exiting would have to be small enough to exit the windows.

[helloperator]

This 911 thing needs to be confessed and explained like a magician revealing the secrets of his tricks

[shredmasteruk]

Dr. Jones always laughs nervously like that, I don't think he really likes being the center of attention.

I am sure many of those aircraft parts were planted, but merely for effect because they knew that nothing would be retrievable from the collapsed towers and would need some evidence to show court of public opinion.

The beam ray, even it was used how would it make the building explode? Striking a missile in flight and demolishing massive structures are not in the same realm.

If a ray was used would it not be seen by witnesses? As a bright beam of some sort.

How does it work by super heating a surface with a type of microwave causing it to fail?

If it was used why would there be circles all over the place, would it not be a precision targeted device with 0 percent change of missing its intended targets, i.e. sure the buildings are designed to sway a little in the wind, but those holes are all way to far apart.

Could those images not be altered?

If the beam took down the buildings with such ease why would it only put in small holes into the streets, would it not rather burn a massive hole into the street?

Could those circular indentations not have been from circular objects that fell, such as air conditioners, fan housings, heavy gear components and housings, etc.

The damage to the cars and fire engines only serve to prove that thermate was used, if a beam ray is cutting circles into everything then why not the cars and fire engines to? Why would it only leave behind what appears to be molten runoff and impact damage?

This video seems more like an attempt to smear Jones for not joining up with the Dr.

Professor Jones is providing expertise in how the building fell, he is not really concerned with what actually crashed into them.

If it was a controlled demolition job, why would there need to be a beam ray device used in conjunction with the explosives?

If it was a controlled demolitions job, why crash a plane through the very area which failed first ?

Why take the extreme risk of planting explosives in the buildings when structural damage and fire caused by the aircraft smashing into the twin towers was more than enough to destroy them ?

Why not make the US Govt out to be proactive competant and capable, and just have 19 people appear on tv as terrorists arrested for planning attacks and use that as a pretext for a war on terror ?

[masonfree party]

i think most 911 truthers are on a wild goose chase...if you realise there was no molten metal and no planes things become alot clearer...take a look at Judy Woods site...she's reserached 911 from a scientific viewpoint which means she is detatched from the wild spectulative theorising like the pod/plane people suffer from...check her website out http://www.drjudywood.com

[masonfree party]

brother of john white?...hmm nice bee symbol

[christophera]

Is there links to your videos, I would like to check them out. I like things based on facts, science, and law; you can't argue against such things unless you are ignorant to them, in which case arguing with such a person is pointless... like having a conversation with any of the Bush family. :cool:

Yes, the video is here. It is completely based on images of 9-11 and corrects misinterpretations of construction photos with 9-11 images and logic. The towers were completely bared on 9-11 and the core structure is made evident at moments of key images.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

[john white]

brother of john white?...hmm nice bee symbol

Alledging I'm a zionist/masonic shill again?

Have an infraction point, happy Xmas, lets hope you have a less fearful 2008

[john white]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5944/holethatwasntthereiw3.jpg

Whilst I'm here, the exit hole is clearly visible in this picture. Knowing the actual size of what is looked for is usually a good first step

Done to death rehash of same old same old "sillyness"

[masonfree party]

Alledging I'm a zionist/masonic shill again?

Have an infraction point, happy Xmas, lets hope you have a less fearful 2008

fearful of masons? dont make me fuckin laugh:D

[masonfree party]

fearful of masons? dont make me fuckin laugh:D

i get a kick out of exposing the gatekeepers even if i am wrong occasionally

[john white]

i get a kick out of exposing the gatekeepers even if i am wrong occasionally

Or even often: if not always

Q: What does "I get a kick out of it" say about you when you couldnt care less if there is any truth in what you say?

A: It says plenty

[funkygibbon]

Alledging I'm a zionist/masonic shill again?

Have an infraction point, happy Xmas, lets hope you have a less fearful 2008
Are you a mason John White?

Is it your real name, or are you named after freemason John White?

Are you a shill, or just someone who enthusiastically follows orders from shills higher up than you?

[john white]

Are you a mason John White?

Is it your real name, or are you named after freemason John White?

Are you a shill, or just someone who enthusiastically follows orders from shills higher up than you?

Oh look another time waster

3 points to get you off to a good start, being as all five of your posts so far have simply been you "getting a kick" out of coming here to stir it

If you want to see an enemy of truth, look in the mirror

[john white]

thread closed

[weston white]

Outstanding I will be adding these to my SVL project for Nineleven.

http://defendindependence.org/SVL.HTML

[weston white]

I actually watched a 40+ minutes video of hers two times, the information was based solely upon photographs, that is it, photos, she did not seem very savvy to me, she made silly comments like whatever it was it like to eat door handles and engine blocks. I was not very impressed by her lecture. The most fascinating portion of her lecture was the beam ray that can drop down missiles, sure that is pretty nifty, however, implementing something such as that to take down a massive solid steel and concrete structure, this is a far cry from taking down a (relatively small) missile and is just not realistic or feasible.

Professor Jones on the other hand has performed actual experiments, has cooborated information with other professionals and colleagues, has analyzed and tested actual evidence, and has written whitepaper reports.

OK, I am lost here, please explain to me how in the world is it that you figure molten pools and slag (of which there is much evidence of, BTW) is less feasible then an unsubstantial theory of what can only be described as a magically destructive beam ray of destruction? You might as well be pushing Tesla related fantasies, remote viewing, teleportation, genies, etc. Her theory is just barely plausible at best.

Every elevator ran along the core columns, so it would have been very easy to scale around within the structure to place charges, nobody would have known. One other thing important to note is that 6 months prior to 9/11 there as a company that was there working on the elevators up until 9/11, after 9/11 the company went out of business (Ace {something, elevator repair?}).

The planes were needed to serve as the reason that caused the buildings to collapse, otherwise their would be no way to explain it, even if they did in fact use a beam ray; they would still need something to explain why the buildings fell; more-so they needed a reason to go to war, so they choose to go with an act of terrorism to serve as their justifiable excuse.

Another important point is that the responsibles for the WTC1 and WTC2 had on several occasions applied for demolition permits though were always denied by Port Authority do to the posed environmental hazards from the asbestos contained within WTC1 and WTC2. As well there were several other benefits gained by our federal government do to 9/11, I am sure you are all familiar with the majority of them by now.

The planes nor the fires were enough to cause the buildings to fail, if they were the tops of the buildings would have basically torn off and either dangled over the side or fell down to the ground below, or the entire structure would have tiled over (picture the Leaning Tower of Pisa, except much more severe). The buildings however, would not have been obliterated into literal nothingness. Again this is why the explosives were needed, Professor Jones has proven this, there is no debating it, unless you choose to ignore his evidence, though in doing so you are avoid of reality.

The collapse of these buildings follow classic demolition methods, though in the case of WTC1 and WTC2 they were a demolition method on steroids. I have watched over a dozen building demolition videos, there is no doubt in my mind as to what actually took those buildings down (in a general sense, I do not mean to say that I know what compounds were used or how they were applied).

I don’t know anything about any pods, only planes, so don’t lump two categories into one.

If you actually watch the video of the buildings collapsing you will notice that about a dozen floors above the damage point actually collapse prior to the damage point collapsing and the antenna also falls prior to the damage point failing. You will also note that they are not actually collapsing they are exploding.

One other point I ask you to consider is that if in fact a beam ray was used, how did they make all of those damage holes? Did a beam ray cause those all as well? If so that means either the beam light can bend, there was more then one beam ray unit in the area, or they used explosives in conjunction with the beam ray or rays. If they did use a beam ray, it would have had to be invisible, right? Being that it does not show up in videos and was not witnessed by spectators.

[weston white]

i think most 911 truthers are on a wild goose chase...if you realise there was no molten metal and no planes things become alot clearer...take a look at Judy Woods site...she's reserached 911 from a scientific viewpoint which means she is detatched from the wild spectulative theorising like the pod/plane people suffer from...check her website out http://www.drjudywood.com


You mention that there was no molten steel and this is kind of funny, but pull up her site real quick and look at the image dirt4 from dust to dirt, what is that? Is that molten metal?

[christophera]

Outstanding I will be adding these to my SVL project for Nineleven.

http://defendindependence.org/SVL.HTML

Do you see a view counter when you view the video on google? I do not.

About a month ago it disappeared from the google 9-11 videos. AS far as i can tell they don't want people determining what is favored by watching the views.

[weston white]

No, is that something you have to enable/disable when you place it on their site?

Or do you mean all videos pertaining to 9/11 and just 9/11?

[shredmasteruk]

No image dirt4 it isn't molten metal. Its something which is red hot.
Had it been molten, firstly it would have been a viscous liquid (and would have sank. Had it been molten STEEL as Nuclear Physicist Steven Jones alleges, then the steel claw of that digger would not have been able to grasp it, and the heat radiated from the alleged molten steel would have also affected the claw causing that to heat up...

[helloperator]

she's reserached 911 from a scientific viewpoint which means she is detatched from [/url]

No offence, but just like with everything else...doesn't matter if you're a scientist, a doctor, a librarian, a plumber....everyone carries their own way of doing things, bias, attitudes, values, beliefs, skill level, competence. Just because you or anyone uses the word 'scientist' doesn't mean shit. Now, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on this particular issue....but what the hell...are we all supposed to bow down at 'scientists' because they are so smart and above the rest of us? 'Scientist', as far as I'm concerned is just a label or a facard...just a meaningless word slapped around by people who think it means proof or correctness.

[christophera]

No, is that something you have to enable/disable when you place it on their site?

Or do you mean all videos pertaining to 9/11 and just 9/11?

I used to be able to see the view counter. I changed nothing. I notice that all of the other 9-11 videos have no view counter as well.

[weston white]

I looked at some other videos and did not seem them on those either, they have been revamping their website so that may be the reason why. YouTube has also been doing the same on their site. In fact they are either working together or the companies are actually subsidiaries.

[weston white]

No image dirt4 it isn't molten metal. Its something which is red hot.
Had it been molten, firstly it would have been a viscous liquid (and would have sank. Had it been molten STEEL as Nuclear Physicist Steven Jones alleges, then the steel claw of that digger would not have been able to grasp it, and the heat radiated from the alleged molten steel would have also affected the claw causing that to heat up...

LOL, seriously, this logic baffles me, really. Anything in a molten state would run to the bottom of the pile, superheating everything above it that is within its range of convectional radiation. Hence it would take massive amounts of radiation to make heavy steel such as the one depicted glow cherry red and become literally inflamed (in fact that object appears to be so hot it looks as if it was being torn from another large piece of steel and you can see another glowing object pointing out of the pile). The heavy equipment used to remove the material is forged and tempered, it would take a lot to weaken it, especially the loader bucket and teeth as they are designed to handle prolonged heat and pressure. To say that heat would melt the bucket would be as if saying the molten carry buckets used at foundry’s that carry the molten steel around all day and night should melt during their use as well, and we know this is not to be the case, as these factories have been working efficiently for hundreds of years.

[masonfree party]

no the heat would sieze up the hydraulics very quickly on the digger..so molten metal is out of the question

[weston white]

Hydraulics work on heat, sure if molten metal touched the hoses those would melt through and you would have a hydraulic lead, but normally that is not the case, the debris touches the bucket not the hoses or the rams or their encasing, heat is not going to spread all throughout the body frame of the equipment, it gets picked up and dumped into a truck for transportation or another pile nearby, it is not going to remain in the bucket for very long (long enough to transfer much heat to the bucket).

[christophera]

I looked at some other videos and did not seem them on those either, they have been revamping their website so that may be the reason why. YouTube has also been doing the same on their site. In fact they are either working together or the companies are actually subsidiaries.

Yes, I heard youtube was going to get bought out by google. I did notice that google has removed the view counters from all videos. They probably do not want not be seen as discriminating against 9-11 issues.

Youtube still has their counters.

Who has the largest collection of 9-11 video clips? I'm looking to find one I saw a couple years back that shows WTC 2 going down from the north peeking past the north tower. Haven't seen it lately.

[weston white]

Do you mean the one that is suppose to be a private home video released in 06'?


http://defendindependence.org/SVL.HTML

Scroll down to...

What We Saw Never Before Released Video of the WTC Attacks

[christophera]

Do you mean the one that is suppose to be a private home video released in 06'?


http://defendindependence.org/SVL.HTML

Scroll down to...

What We Saw Never Before Released Video of the WTC Attacks

No, not that one.

It is one that shows WTC 2 going down behind WTC 1. A corner of the east side of the core is seen for 3 seconds before it is gone.

[mr_pixie]

however, I see not point in debating such things other then for entertainment This is serious stuff mate, people have died from 9/11 & The War on Terror. If you can tell a more important subject's than 9/11 =The War on Terror = Wars in Iraq & Aghanistian = Our freedoms being taken away, then please let mme know?:mad:

there are so many more pressing matters and truths to be exposed before we invest time and energy into trying to expose such notions No, you mean you dont want use to find the truth. Looks like we might have another Agent on or hands here?

[mr_pixie]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Theres a wing missing here folks? Its not only wingless clip either.;)

[masonfree party]

i didn't think missiles had wings:rolleyes:

[weston white]

I think you misread my post. I was only stating that we need to focus on what we can prove. Things such as missiles, pods, holograms, animations, aliens, beam rays, etc. These as arguments are not good for the goals which we are all attempting to work together to accomplish; nor are they prosperous for the mission we have began to gain headway in towards actually achieving our intended goals, which in the end are one and the same. As these types of arguments only serve to further segregate ourselves from each other and makes the truther movement appear to outsiders as being nothing more then a big huge crazy silly ball of disassociated confusion.

If we keep this up this community will be so confused and insolvent that it will be utterly pointless to argue your point of view one way or the other and in the mass confusion will eventually tear itself apart.

[weston white]

If I come across it will let you know, I dont recall anything right now though.

[lizzy]

What I don't understand is how people can't even acknowledge the glaring video composites....just forget everything else and just look at the video...not the youtube stuff, go to archive.org or watch any 911 dvd and just look

don't worry about, 'well if that's not it, what is'....just simply observe

one frame I saw somewhere was interesting. you see the plane with it's nose out of one side of the tower and it's tail still sticking out of the other side of the tower.
That could'nt be possible in reality. points to tv fakery.

[weston white]

You know what I was thinking about that video with the nose cone coming through the building... is that there are actually two videos on that show the noise coming through from opposing angles, right? So if it is a fake video that means they were either put out in coordination of more then one persons effort or both videos are the efforts of one single individual; or a nose cone type object really did come out of the building... which if so where did it go to? you never see it falling down to the ground after the explosion, right? I know there was something that fell down but it was way to small to be a noise cone from a major airliner and there is no photos of a huge noise cone or any of its components laying on the ground, and if a noise cone made it through why would the rest of the body not make it through as well, being that the noise cone would have taken the brunt of the damage and is not stronger then the mainframe body carried behind it.

But if it is faked, would it not be very difficult to make it appear identical from two opposing angles? Though it would seem possible as they do things such as this in major motion picture action movies dozens of times every year.

[christophera]

one frame I saw somewhere was interesting. you see the plane with it's nose out of one side of the tower and it's tail still sticking out of the other side of the tower.
That could'nt be possible in reality. points to tv fakery.

I've though of that, and with the shearing effects of aluminum against steel, pieces of the nose, not the whole, could have the basic shape, and the resolution of the video wouldn't reveal enough for us to see that it was not an intact nose section.

[thirdwave]

Listening to it I do thin the loose change guy sounds narrow minded.... as if he has evidence the guy is wrong... then he does not .... he could be alto more constructive in his points....

[veritas2007]

I think you misread my post. I was only stating that we need to focus on what we can prove. Things such as missiles, pods, holograms, animations, aliens, beam rays, etc. These as arguments are not good for the goals which we are all attempting to work together to accomplish; nor are they prosperous for the mission we have began to gain headway in towards actually achieving our intended goals, which in the end are one and the same. As these types of arguments only serve to further segregate ourselves from each other and makes the truther movement appear to outsiders as being nothing more then a big huge crazy silly ball of disassociated confusion.

If we keep this up this community will be so confused and insolvent that it will be utterly pointless to argue your point of view one way or the other and in the mass confusion will eventually tear itself apart.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on that although I perfectly understand where you are coming from.

If we really are seeking the truth, we have to do so from a perfectly open minded perspective which means nothing should be discounted until sound reasoning and evidence can presented to the contrary. By falling into a certain mindset based on a logic which is dripfed us all of our lives, we only conform to the status quo. I, and many others say that the status quo is wrong and until you can break free from that conditioning, you lack the ability to truly observe topics from a unbiased perspective.

Let us not get bogged down in a direction a movement has the majority flowing in; let us simply observe the information presented to us and see where it takes us. The truth is not a hidden commodity, and I believe that is a universal law. Rather, individuals attempt to steer, confuse and misdirect the observer (you and I). To discount any opinion on a given topic is an untruth to the self.

There is no segregation, merely a difference of opinion and to deny someone of their opinion is an act of treason to the human race.

[weston white]

I do agree with much of what you say, though my contention is that much of this has been looked into and done so both open mindedly and very honestly by professionals in such fields and by way of me using my own intelligence and logic I find that I would have to wholeheartedly concur with their findings. They have looked into the evidence, (what evidence remains anyway), and have determined what the causes were, at least for the most part. As well building engineers and other professionals and technicians in the field as well have concurred and do support the findings of those such as Stephen Jones (or the majority of aspects).

I myself was confused for several months, looking into all these different theories as I learned of them, though I believe I now have a solid understanding of the events and I have come to believe that much of what is put out there has the sole purpose of misleading those individuals attempting to look into this subject and investigate it themselves.

After all what better way to prevent people from wanting to look into such matter then to overwhelm them with infinite possibilities. Most of those taking the time to check into claims of “9/11 was an inside job”, become only more confused then when they initially started and quickly give up and hope to forget about the whole thing all together… only those with the investigative instinct and inner motivation will make it through this rancid gauntlet and reach the truth as it lays so filthy before them.

I for one have to partake in the known evidence over this pseudo (or quasi) fantasy.

[helloperator]

Everybody always argues this and that, because obviously we can go no further...nothing is happening in any meaningful way to look into or reexplore or reinvestigate 911...the official channels are shut tight. We're like a school of salmon swimming upstream in a river blocked right before the spawning grounds. Some of us try to jump for it, but we get eaten by bears...some of us try to dig, but we smack our heads to death on the bottom, some of us have even crazier ideas to get to where we need to be and the rest of us just circle waiting to die without ever delivering our rich, rich payload.

The river's blocked ladies and gentlemen. We have to achieve the extraordinary to get to where we need to be. As fish, we are going to need to grow feet, learn to breath air and learn to talk.

I don't like our chances. The blocked river is our nightmare. It's a fantasy land. It's unnatural, it's a twisted fairy tale that, as fish, we can't work out.

I don't really know what angle to take so, basically, it's all about fish.

[weston white]

LOL nice analogy... is this what adults felt like after JFK and Bobby? Except not as bad though, being that they had yet to learn the way of the "Internets".

[helloperator]

The 911 guilty:

"All your base are belong to us"

[sidlittle]

Things such as missiles, pods, holograms, animations, aliens, beam rays, etc. These as arguments are not good for the goals which we are all attempting to work together to accomplish
:rolleyes:
Just really rubbish and obvious

[christophera]

Listening to it I do thin the loose change guy sounds narrow minded.... as if he has evidence the guy is wrong... then he does not .... he could be a lot more constructive in his points....

Unfortunately the videos from them explain nothing. This is because they believe FEMA regarding the type structure that exists. FEMA deceives the world by saying there were steel core columns in the core area. THere were no, only elevator guide rail support steel existed there. This image shows vertical steel to the left and right of the center crane which has a butt plate on top.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

Those plates do not make a column strong enough to be called a "core column", and that image is taken near the bottom where maximum strength is required. Butt plates allow fast alignment. plumbing etc, but have no lateral strength. What is need is a 100% fillet weld as shown in this diagram of an "I" beam.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/fillet.diagram.gif

[swiftlouie143]

The entire GCN network is a bunch of reptilain controlled CIA spooks, Period end of discussion.

[christophera]

The entire GCN network is a bunch of reptilain controlled CIA spooks, Period end of discussion.

I have to agree with that. Fetzer in particular.

This radio station here actually has a similar problem and will not discuss evidence.

http://tnrlive.com/index.php?page=schedule

[killtown]

Can someone logically explain why this plane doesn't meet any resistance while passing through the WTC's facade if this plane and video are real?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9189/hezarkhanicumv3.gif

[dave52]

Can someone logically explain why this plane doesn't meet any resistance while passing through the WTC's facade if this plane and video are real?


Ahhh... the question that no-one will answer. Incidently, the exact question that got me banned from the LC Forum.

[cyince]

Can someone logically explain why this plane doesn't meet any resistance while passing through the WTC's facade if this plane and video are real?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9189/hezarkhanicumv3.gif

Its 198,800lbs traveling at 500+ mph source: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=104
(think in terms of a bullet or missle, why do they penetrate things?). What do you think should happen? Should it have bounced off the building?


And what gives you the impression that it is not meeting with resistance?

[thirdwave]

Can someone logically explain why this plane doesn't meet any resistance while passing through the WTC's facade if this plane and video are real?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9189/hezarkhanicumv3.gif

its true.... those wings go through like a hot knife through butter..... surely there would have been more damage on impacted ....

that being said, the accuracy of the plane and the explosions is spot on .... its a tricky one.

[christophera]

Can someone logically explain why this plane doesn't meet any resistance while passing through the WTC's facade if this plane and video are real?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9189/hezarkhanicumv3.gif

Your assertion that resistance should be visible at impact is not accurate. the resistance can be seen in the bent steel after the impact

[cyince]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7514386944774260074&q=plane+crash+test&total=572&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Isn't really all that much different.

[christophera]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7514386944774260074&q=plane+crash+test&total=572&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Isn't really all that much different.

There is a huge difference.

The plane connecting with the concrete wall did not encounter a situation where shearing of the aluminum by steel columns could exist. The space between the columns is 63% of the area the plane is connecting with, virtually no resistance except a pane of glass in that area.

That represents massive increase of PSI on the aluminum that connects with the steel column, lending both to the shearing of the aluminum and the bending, fracturing and breaking of the column.

[weston white]

One thing with the entry holes is that they do not nearly match the outline of the aircrafts body, the planes clearly did not fold, being that they retain their streamlined shape throughout the impact, thus the damage outline should look very similar to the shapes of the aircraft (imagine a frontal view of a cardboard cutout), engines, fuselage, wings, tail, yet the holes are much larger and have a block appearance as if cutter charges were all along the portions of the building that the aircraft damaged upon entry. This is why I am in favor that charges were set off just prior to the plane entering into the buildings. The technology is clearly there to accomplish such a feat and is practical to implement (we do know that many floors were vacant and/or were being renovated throughout the WTC's as well perhaps special charges (smokeless, flameless, covert) could have even placed exterior of the building).

As well the entry damage observed at the Pentagon is wholly different from the damage observed at the WTC’s, there is really no comparison between the two instances.

[christophera]

One thing with the entry holes is that they do not nearly match the outline of the aircrafts body, the planes clearly did not fold, being that they retain their streamlined shape throughout the impact, thus the damage outline should look very similar to the shapes of the aircraft (imagine a frontal view of a cardboard cutout), engines, fuselage, wings, tail, yet the holes are much larger and have a block appearance

A folding piece of aluminum still has its mass and inertia, also, aircraft aluminum has a very high shear strength so it can inflict considerable damage on steel.

The perimeter walls were assembled in panels that had rectangular ends in jagged steps up each side. I've noticed before that the impact zones caused horizontal panel connection zones to get punched inward.

[mr_pixie]

Andrew Johnson - 9-11 NYC 1st Responder Accounts - Dynamic Duo 03 Oct 2007.mp3

Good Radio interveiw here:Why were there FBI Agents near when the Twin Towers were attacked?

Andrew Johnson - 9-11 NYC 1st Responder Accounts - Dynamic Duo 03 Oct 2007.mp3

If the above link doesnt work click on the purple 9/11 folder and scoll down to the right link http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

[mr_pixie]

Listen to this as well

Prof Morgan Reynolds - Dynamic Duo - Response to Anthony Lawson - 28 Nov 2007.mp3

Prof Morgan Reynolds - Dynamic Duo - Response to Anthony Lawson - 28 Nov 2007.mp3

[mr_pixie]

Jeff Hill and Morgan Reynolds - Dynamic Duo 09 Jan 2008.mp3 (8.3 MB) (Modified: Jan 11 2008 05:00:02 PM) (http://Jeff Hill and Morgan Reynolds - Dynamic Duo 09 Jan 2008.mp3 (8.3 MB) (Modified: Jan 11 2008 05:00:02 PM))

[mr_pixie]

I'm haveing problems posting radio interviews for some reason.

Go to this link and click on the 9/11 folder scroll down to Radio interview: Jeff Hill and Morgan Reynolds

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

[masonfree party]

I'm haveing problems posting radio interviews for some reason.

Go to this link and click on the 9/11 folder scroll down to Radio interview: Jeff Hill and Morgan Reynolds

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

good one! jeff hill does a good interview

[helloperator]

I can't find it on that page...what's it under?

ok found it

[ravenswing]

For some reason I can't listen, says that I do not have the right programme, any help anyone?

[mr_pixie]

Does anyone know how to post radio links on here? I thourght I'd susst it out, but must have forgot how to do it.:(

[dave52]

That's a great site - I'll take a listen to the interview shortly. Thanks for the link guys...!

[mr_pixie]

9/11 WESCAM - YouTube

[cyince]

Wescam Unveils Revolutionary Camera Plane AtToronto's Molson Indy.

FLAMBOROUGH, ONTARIO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 14, 2000

Company provides eyes-in-the-sky for TV viewers

Mark Chamberlain, President and CEO of Wescam Inc. (TSE:WSC.), today announced that television viewers will be seeing some of their most exciting Molson Indy images from the Wescam high resolution, long distance cameras that are being used by broadcasters
of the race.
http://www.allbusiness.com/media-telecommunications/telecommunications/6470902-1.html

http://www.helinews.com/equip.shtml

EDIT
http://www.mcmahonhelicopters.com/history.php

From 2 mins of searching I found that wescam is a popular consumer/broadcasting product, not military exclusive.

[crowd control]

I lean towards NPT myself, (edit- I've seen ENOUGH as an ADULT to understand that no plane hit the towers.) however one thing I just can't get out my head is that it was SO convienient the way the camera pulls back to show us a big WESCAM sticker on the underside of the chopper.

[nafenisr]

I lean towards NPT myself, (edit- I've seen ENOUGH as an ADULT to understand that no plane hit the towers.) however one thing I just can't get out my head is that it was SO convienient the way the camera pulls back to show us a big WESCAM sticker on the underside of the chopper.

You know they had a ball pulling that one right before our eyes and we still didn't get it. WE SCAM

[crowd control]

Oh I know, it's hilarious, as Frank Carson might have said "it's the way they tell 'em" Maybe the blatent pullback and reveal was just a little nod and a wink to the illuminated.

It's a cracker

[mr_pixie]

Filmer of accused fake WTC video won't disclose shot locaton

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[madthumbs]

Another worthless 9/11 vid. Hurray!

[weston white]

Maybe somebody should try asking him why a Jeweler from California was in New York with a video camera and just happened to be in the area that early ready to film this out on the water or from whatever he filmed it from, which appears to be some secret... and why it this a secret?

A follow-up question would be can we see the contract or have a copy of it? I mean if the cat is out of the bag, you know.

A diamond dealer from L.A. I can't imagine anybody else I would trust less. I wonder how many crooked things he could be involved in.

[weston white]

The logo to using the color red and is somewhat circular (i.e. Mars or Saturn), the two points making like a heat beat that you might see on a EKG machine, seems to say "that which is above is also also below" (Albert Pike), I also thought it could be perhaps a winking eye. We Scam, heh.

[mr_pixie]

PumpItOut Jeff 911 No-Plane Transgression Call To Jay Maisel

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[nafenisr]

PumpItOut Jeff 911 No-Plane Transgression Call To Jay Maisel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epNN7AdMLVg

Could you tell us who Jeff and Jay are, please?

[weston white]

Look, aren't drunk prank calls so much fun.

[dangermouse]

lol

[mr_pixie]

Could you tell us who Jeff and Jay are, please?

Jeffery Hill Runs the website Pumpitout.com and Jay Masell was ment to be an eye witness on 9/11

[mr_pixie]

Philip Hayton - BBC News reader - asked about WTC 7

I think he forgot! :D

We Are Change UK - Phil Hayton and WTC7 - YouTube

[llogun]

He new all along and trying to make out he didnt. Hes not going to say anything to the bbc he will lose is job.
Good vid

[mercuryrapids]

Hayton left the Beeb in 2005, so I don't think he'll be bothered about losing his job. Perhaps this will give him impetus to look into 9/11 more?

[steevo]

Hayton left the Beeb in 2005, so I don't think he'll be bothered about losing his job. Perhaps this will give him impetus to look into 9/11 more?

Maybe he left because he knew that very soon that WTC7 thing was gonna come back to haunt him.
Supposedly he left because he didnt like Kate Silverton (and I would have to agree with him cos she is a horrible person) :-

News 24 anchor Philip Hayton told Media Guardian issues of "incompatibility" with co-host Kate Silverton prompted him to leave.
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4283824.stm)

[steevo]

Philip Hayton - BBC News reader - asked about WTC 7

I think he forgot! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMlFFQ2oqQ

Great video that Pixie. Thanks for posting.

EDIT : It's great that they are naming and shaming newsreaders. The so called "news" readers are a major reson why the the sheeple are supporting the wars and supporting the "official" version of events and the newsreaders should therefore be held accountable because they are playing a MAJOR PART in the whole deception.

[john white]

Great video that Pixie. Thanks for posting.

EDIT : It's great that they are naming and shaming newsreaders. The so called "news" readers are a major reson why the the sheeple are supporting the wars and supporting the "official" version of events and the newsreaders should therefore be held accountable because they are playing a MAJOR PART in the whole deception.

No Planers are quick to link other peoples work to bask in the reflected glory and try to make themselves look credible

Of course this Video was made by We Are Change UK and we know what Pixie really thinks about them

It isnt complimetary, given the close link with www.truthaction.org and the thorough pawning every aspect of the NPT and BW frauds recieve from them

[llogun]

I didnt know he had left whos he working for now sky

[steevo]

No Planers are quick to link other peoples work to bask in the reflected glory and try to make themselves look credible

Of course this Video was made by We Are Change UK and we know what Pixie really thinks about them

It isnt complimetary, given the close link with www.truthaction.org and the thorough pawning every aspect of the NPT and BW frauds recieve from them

I know that the "powers that be" infultrate the truth movements by apparently supporting and agreeing with what the truth movement is all about, for example, that 911 was an inside job. They then try to change the direction that the movement is going (eg they introduce the "no planes theory" which in my opinion is misinformation) and by doing this they hope to discredit the truth movement.
And I am well aware that Mr Pixie is always trying to push the NPT on this forum and I'm aware that he is, IMO,trying to appear credible by linking himself to that video above which is a good video (I dont know the source of the video but the info is good).

[steevo]

I didnt know he had left whos he working for now sky

This is from wikipedia :-

From 2007 onwards Hayton has been the regular host of Head2Head a BrightTALK internet broadcast for Skandia in which he holds court between two financial figures.

[dave52]

Actually, in Mr Pixie's defence, he has named We Are Change in the title of the video. At what point did he claim that this was anything to do with him, or for that matter, anything to do with the No Plane Theory...?

The thanks that was aimed at Mr Pixie, was purely in recognition that he had posted a link to it here.

Really Guys, there are people on here that could start a fight in an empty room... :rolleyes:

[john white]

Actually, in Mr Pixie's defence, he has named We Are Change in the title of the video. At what point did he claim that this was anything to do with him, or for that matter, anything to do with the No Plane Theory...?

The thanks that was aimed at Mr Pixie, was purely in recognition that he had posted a link to it here.

Really Guys, there are people on here that could start a fight in an empty room... :rolleyes:

Uh-huh

Well before you roll your eyes too far into the back of your head forgive me for making the observation

The amount of time Ive seen either pixie or MFP rush to link something like this within minutes of it appearing at say, www.nineeleven.co.uk is matched only by the sheer frequency with which they accuse the same sources of being "zionist shills wurking for the perps" etc in other threads

Its cynical, and its obvious

Sorry if their behaviour makes YOU uncomfortable

[mr_pixie]

Great video that Pixie. Thanks for posting.

No problem mate, your wellcome Stevo.

how can Philip Hayton forget one of the most important days in his life really is beyond me? :rolleyes:

[dave52]

He is a repeater. He spent that day regurgitating whatever he heard in his ear piece, so I wouldn't have expected him to remember every detail of the actual broadcast.

What is strange is the fact that he was unsure if he was actually working that day or not. Are newscasters mind controlled....?

[mercuryrapids]

He is a repeater. He spent that day regurgitating whatever he heard in his ear piece, so I wouldn't have expected him to remember every detail of the actual broadcast.

What is strange is the fact that he was unsure if he was actually working that day or not. Are newscasters mind controlled....?

Reminded me of the way the Apollo astronauts can't really remember what they did on the Moon...

[weston white]

Yea I could see how you could forget something like that.. NOT!

[mr_pixie]

Philip Hayton - BBC News reader - asked about WTC 7

I think he forgot! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMlFFQ2oqQ



To me this shows the media's involvement ie pior knowllage before it happened.

[beldazar]

Yes great vid there, I hope he is genuine in wanting further info about it and I hope he wasnt pretending to go along with what was said. The interviewer handled it very well but it was hard to see if Philip Hayton was lying or not.

You are right Steevo, some of these newsreaders MUST have doubts as to what they are reporting and some may also know the truth.
I live for the day when they stop in mid-read to say, "hang on, this isnt right" Miracles do happen sometimes

[mercuryrapids]

I live for the day when they stop in mid-read to say, "hang on, this isnt right" Miracles do happen sometimes

That would be so cool. Like Peter Finch in Network, only for real. Didn't end well for that character, though... :rolleyes:

[mr_pixie]

Some very interesting connections here...

The 911 Stargate - YouTube


Maybe this has something to do with the UFO's? Interdimenional portal stuff ?

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5117
If you get the chance to watch 9-11 Eyewitness you might be able to see UFO's in the background, it's the part where Rick Segal go's back to pier (after the events of 9-11) and is talking about it, when in the back ground I've noticed UFO's flying strait across where the Twin Towers were???? It's hard to see at first be they are there! Going from right to left, if you go to the home page of this site and look at the still of the video Eyewitnes thats the part were the UFO's are.

[mr_pixie]

Please look closely at these photo's and see if you can see anything strange.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/tire1.jpg

Landing gear amid dust, adjacent to old scaffolding, not on a street corner, close to curb, just left of the mid point of a dusty Greco-Roman pillar laying in the gutter.





http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/tire2.jpg

Lanning gear on a dust-fee street corner near shinny new scaffolding, set back from the curb and no Roman-Greco Style pillar visible. The tire and brakes look different too.





http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/tire3.jpg

Landing gear in new photo op: tire looks in better health, no exstensive dust, new scaffolding, further from the corner, further forward the top of a dust-fee Greco-Roman pilar. We suspect tampering with evidence:) Actors gape at nice tire and shiny shaft, wondering why the tire, brake housing and shaft would be unburned despite their ejection through a “jet fuel confl” high atop a tower. ALL PLANTED AIRPLANE PARTS WERE UNDER SCAFFOLDING, THEY JUST PULLED OFF THE COVERS AT THE RIGHT TIME.

[mercuryrapids]

Very, very interesting, particularly the Emerald City/New York connection.

[mr_pixie]

www.fatemag.com/issues/2000s/2006-08article4a.html

[hagbard_celine]

Please look closely at these photo's and see if you can see anything strange.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/tire1.jpg

Landing gear amid dust, adjacent to old scaffolding, not on a street corner, close to curb, just left of the mid point of a dusty Greco-Roman pillar laying in the gutter.





http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/tire2.jpg

Lanning gear on a dust-fee street corner near shinny new scaffolding, set back from the curb and no Roman-Greco Style pillar visible. The tire and brakes look different too.





http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh108/Lizardhunter/tire3.jpg

Landing gear in new photo op: tire looks in better health, no exstensive dust, new scaffolding, further from the corner, further forward the top of a dust-fee Greco-Roman pilar. We suspect tampering with evidence:) Actors gape at nice tire and shiny shaft, wondering why the tire, brake housing and shaft would be unburned despite their ejection through a “jet fuel confl” high atop a tower. ALL PLANTED AIRPLANE PARTS WERE UNDER SCAFFOLDING, THEY JUST PULLED OFF THE COVERS AT THE RIGHT TIME.

That looks very suspicious, but is it definietely the same wheel?

It wouldn't surpirse me if they planted evidence. Remember the passport?:rolleyes:

[galactic_stargazer]

Thanks for sharing, that was interesting.

[dmessick]

good video that connects plenty of dots

[dangermouse]

Some very interesting connections here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUvSqY3po24


Maybe this has something to do with the UFO's? Interdimenional portal stuff ?

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5117
If you get the chance to watch 9-11 Eyewitness you might be able to see UFO's in the background, it's the part where Rick Segal go's back to pier (after the events of 9-11) and is talking about it, when in the back ground I've noticed UFO's flying strait across where the Twin Towers were???? It's hard to see at first be they are there! Going from right to left, if you go to the home page of this site and look at the still of the video Eyewitnes thats the part were the UFO's are.

interesting i saw a similar one about the 911 ritual by the same guy
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20800

deffinately phood for thought

[weston white]

The tire appears in a different position relative to the scaffolding as well.

[john white]

I wrote a sensible reply to this but the lost it in a misfortune of key pressing, so I'll just say "fuck it" and laugh instead

Can none of you really work out what is consistant about those images? No seriously: you lack that kind of basic ability?

They are all absolutely in keeping with each other

By all means believe otherwise (and I know Pixie will) but this is why No Planers are taken as a farcical bunch of numpty morons both in the larger (far larger) 9/11 Truth community and amongst every other human being with a reasonable ability to think and the misfortune to come across these foolish claims