Do evil space aliens exist?

[Anders Lindman]

If we assume there are other advanced civilizations in space, are some of them evil? I would guess, yes, but more like evil as in relatively 'primitive' just as our own civilization. And I also suspect that all these primitive civilizations, like us, are limited to their own planet. More advanced civilizations, who have learned how to travel to other star systems, are good is my guess.

[Anders Lindman]

I have just watched the beginning of this video with Steven Greer, but he talks about this, and explains the 'good vs bad' space alien scenario very well i think and asks: "Who benefits?" and then compare it with: "Who benefited from the Weapons of Mass Destruction lies before the Iraq war?"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7984481138221705259

[ricko]

. . . Yes, you can usually find them working in Weatherspoons

[Anders Lindman]

. . . Yes, you can usually find them working in Weatherspoons

Right... He he. I have watched more of the video with Greer now. He talks about very advanced black op projects being responsible for alien abductions, and even for creating biological entities that look like the Greys etc. :eek: Sounds a bit incredible, but actually makes much more sense than the evil space aliens being real extraterrestrials.

Real evil extraterrestrials would just abduct people in broad daylight! Before everybody's eyes, and people would not be able to do squat about it since the ETs would have technology that can stop any attempts to attack them. So I don't buy the evil space alien stories, except perhaps that they could be black op projects.

[romas]

Is the lion who eats the antilope and brings some to his puppies, evil?

Being good is ideology, so question is probably weather they have an ideology or not and what is it. If not then are they a predator and are they part of our universe at all.

We are predators, but we have mixed ideologies, it's hard to say if we are good or bad, let alone about ETs.

[Anders Lindman]

Yay! I listened some more to the Greer interview. And he talks about advanced extraterrestrial civilizations very much how I described it in the first post. He said: "What we are going to find is that: Any civilization capable of interstellar travel, there's nothing on Earth they need. They don't need to be here to get our sperm and eggs. They don't need to be here to get gold mined, like Zecharia Sitchin suggested in the book..."

Exactly! At least (last?) Greer has come to a rational conclusion. Phew!

[Anders Lindman]

Is the lion who eats the antilope and brings some to his puppies, evil?


Not evil. That's why I wrote in the first post about evil as in relatively 'primitive' rather than evil as actual evil. Greer used the word 'bad' as in 'good vs bad' space aliens. An alternative is to use the term 'young' extraterrestrial races, rather than 'bad', 'evil' or 'primitive'. EDIT: Although Greer actually meant bad, because he talked about some really nasty black op projects.

[Anders Lindman]

Whoa!!! :confused::eek::confused::eek: Greer says later in the interview: "Here is the basic... you can learn how to make contact with these visitors yourself. And when you do... you are going to be able to see that these visitors who have been coming here for thousands of years... they have no malice towards Earth and her people..."

That sounds really interesting. But how? I have to listen to the rest of the interview... Hopefully he says how to do that.

[Anders Lindman]

That sounds really interesting. But how? I have to listen to the rest of the interview... Hopefully he says how to do that.

He didn't tell how to contact ETs. :( Other than that we need to become peaceful. That sounds correct to me. Maybe we need to have a clear purpose in order to contact ETs. For example, learning telepathic communication would be cool. :D But probably not like thoughts in the head, because that could be a sign of one having gone mad rather than some actual communication. :eek::D

[stockstalker]

Show me an instance in history, where aliens have done evil things to mankind.

[Anders Lindman]

Show me an instance in history, where aliens have done evil things to mankind.

According to Greer, the evil things are black op projects.

Another thing Greer said was that civilizations that are capable of interstellar travel have technologies such as the ability to create matter out of space.

I have been thinking about that a technological singularity (which leads to almost infinitely fast acceleration in technological development) would make such things possible.

So, an advanced race wouldn't need ANYTHING from us. Just as Greer said. And the technology itself probably is a safety net that hinders evil things to be done by those who use that technology.

We can turn around the question and ask ourselves what we would to to another civilization if we ourselves already had anything we wanted, and all the protection needed. Only if were like total maniac psychopaths would we then be evil.

[romas]

That's speculation on our part as we do not know for sure the limitations of technology.

[bard]

If we assume there are other advanced civilizations in space, are some of them evil? I would guess, yes, but more like evil as in relatively 'primitive' just as our own civilization. And I also suspect that all these primitive civilizations, like us, are limited to their own planet. More advanced civilizations, who have learned how to travel to other star systems, are good is my guess.

http://www.reptoids.com/images/BewareSign.jpg

[majorlee]

If we assume there are other advanced civilizations in space, are some of them evil? I would guess, yes, but more like evil as in relatively 'primitive' just as our own civilization. And I also suspect that all these primitive civilizations, like us, are limited to their own planet. More advanced civilizations, who have learned how to travel to other star systems, are good is my guess.


good - evil

right - wrong

these words can be taken for granted. love sees wrong and evil but embraces it and helps not fight it

we aint primitive, we got some amazing thing going here but it aint all being shared i believe

promising years ahead :)

[bard]

Cattle Mutilations - Work of Evil Aliens?

http://www.guba.com/watch/2000836159

[Anders Lindman]

we aint primitive, we got some amazing thing going here but it aint all being shared i believe


Primitive could be the wrong word. It's more like planet Earth is like an egg at the moment, and we humans are like a chicken growing inside that egg.

We are not meant to break the eggshell so to speak before we have matured enough. That would be similar to a chicken breaking out of its egg before it was fully developed. Not good.

[nicolaj]

imo they are demonic

[cheeney1]

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/10/26/alien-predator-hybrid.jpg

[lyghtkynge]

Primitive could be the wrong word. It's more like planet Earth is like an egg at the moment, and we humans are like a chicken growing inside that egg.

We are not meant to break the eggshell so to speak before we have matured enough. That would be similar to a chicken breaking out of its egg before it was fully developed. Not good.

It's the actual analogy. Now, in Nature, what would happen to the hatchling, once it becomes free of it's Egg? Right, Predators. In fact, as many as possible eat the egg itself, first.

Then carry this analogy from human embryogensis, into spiritual embryogenesis, and I imagine some of you can see the scenario that exists/unfolds for these new 'spiritual hatchlings? Right, Predators.

The Universe is Predatorial on All levels, 1-thru-4-[on the cusp of the]-5th (pivot plane), then Becomes Perfect Energy Interchange (Perpetual Motional, re-generational). The lower planes are generational.
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq357/dogz9/DragonEgg-1.jpg

And forcing the Egg Open from the outside is counter to Universal Law, for it has Established a Sequential Duality Force that controls this. Since Time can be accelerated (even made non-existant, enabling spontaneous generation), including the sequence, it should be done from Within, and this also has Laws. AP Projector teachers encounter this with those not ready to exteriorize, in a complex pattern of awakening. The Energy Body is what Becomes Consciously Aware in the Awakening, which is able to function on hyperdimensional planes of reality; it is called the Double.

[Anders Lindman]

forcing the Egg Open from the outside is counter to Universal Law

I was thinking about something similar. It's the chicken inside the egg that breaks out, not some force from the outside smashing the egg. It's a crude analogy, but maybe the main principle holds true even for a very big 'egg' like planet Earth. And there may even be individual eggshells for each person, like David Icke has talked about.

So real ETs cannot smash the eggshell. It's we who have to become fully developed to be able to crack the shell from within so to speak.

[size_of_light]

Yay! I listened some more to the Greer interview. And he talks about advanced extraterrestrial civilizations very much how I described it in the first post. He said: "What we are going to find is that: Any civilization capable of interstellar travel, there's nothing on Earth they need. They don't need to be here to get our sperm and eggs. They don't need to be here to get gold mined, like Zecharia Sitchin suggested in the book..."

Exactly! At least (last?) Greer has come to a rational conclusion. Phew!

I don't understand why he concludes that a civilization capable of interstellar travel wouldn't need or want anything from earth. That's like saying that once humans figured out how to build large sailing vessels they wouldn't want to use them to acquire different resources from around the world.

[size_of_light]

Whoa!!! :confused::eek::confused::eek: Greer says later in the interview: "Here is the basic... you can learn how to make contact with these visitors yourself. And when you do... you are going to be able to see that these visitors who have been coming here for thousands of years... they have no malice towards Earth and her people..."

That sounds really interesting. But how? I have to listen to the rest of the interview... Hopefully he says how to do that.

For only six easy payments of $59.95 you too can purchase my Master Program: Alien Contact Made Easy, a comprehensive step-by-step guide....:rolleyes:

[size_of_light]

According to Greer, the evil things are black op projects.

Another thing Greer said was that civilizations that are capable of interstellar travel have technologies such as the ability to create matter out of space.

I have been thinking about that a technological singularity (which leads to almost infinitely fast acceleration in technological development) would make such things possible.

So, an advanced race wouldn't need ANYTHING from us. Just as Greer said. And the technology itself probably is a safety net that hinders evil things to be done by those who use that technology.

We can turn around the question and ask ourselves what we would to to another civilization if we ourselves already had anything we wanted, and all the protection needed. Only if were like total maniac psychopaths would we then be evil.

This Greer guy sounds like he's got his head jammed squarely up his own ass, to be honest.

What if matter-replicators didn't give them everything they needed? What if, for instance, they needed to extract certain raw materials directly from their natural environments/dimensions, or access authentic human memories or DNA pathways that vibrate to the merkhaba of the planet etc. etc.

The ability to punch an atomic recipe into a matter-replicator and Xerox yourself a copy of the original isn't necessarily the be all and end all of everything, although Greer seems to believe that this imaginary technology has no limitations at all.

[novymir]

Greer and that which he promotes is suspect. Beware. Look into it, there is info available that points to associations and persons involved that are connected to The Machine of Lies.

[Anders Lindman]

The ability to punch an atomic recipe into a matter-replicator and Xerox yourself a copy of the original isn't necessarily the be all and end all of everything, although Greer seems to believe that this imaginary technology has no limitations at all.

Ok, that's a valid point. But imagine a civilization who can produce every material thing they want, and can protect themselves against any enemy. Such civilization would not be evil, unless they were totally insane.

[Anders Lindman]

Greer and that which he promotes is suspect. Beware. Look into it, there is info available that points to associations and persons involved that are connected to The Machine of Lies.

I think Greer made some very valid comments in the interview I posted. The most 'mature' and rational description I have heard.

[size_of_light]

Ok, that's a valid point. But imagine a civilization who can produce every material thing they want, and can protect themselves against any enemy. Such civilization would not be evil, unless they were totally insane.

lol. Yes, it's a toss of the coin.

[runciter]

Is the lion who eats the antilope and brings some to his puppies, evil?

Being good is ideology, so question is probably weather they have an ideology or not and what is it. If not then are they a predator and are they part of our universe at all.

We are predators, but we have mixed ideologies, it's hard to say if we are good or bad, let alone about ETs.

empathy? free will?

[romas]

empathy? free will?




Yes so what if they don't have that first one. Seems like quite many humans do not have those so what are the odds.

[lightblessins]

If we assume there are other advanced civilizations in space, are some of them evil? I would guess, yes, but more like evil as in relatively 'primitive' just as our own civilization. And I also suspect that all these primitive civilizations, like us, are limited to their own planet. More advanced civilizations, who have learned how to travel to other star systems, are good is my guess.

evil doesnt exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is a loin evil for killin a wilder beast?!! is a draconian evil for killin a human!? its in our own nature! is who we are and what we do, love each our and respect everything in the cosmos for what it is instead of labels! PEACE! :)

[branjo]

I think Greer made some very valid comments in the interview I posted. The most 'mature' and rational description I have heard.

I think Greer has got it spot on, I applaud him for applying common sense instead of this necessity for everything unknown to be evil.

If ET's are more advanced than us then they have learned what we have not, how to live together with respect.

Maybe 10's of thousands of years ago this was the case for the human race, where ever it originated. There always comes a point in the cycle when its time to evolve or go extinct.

People seem to cling to the idea that the ET's will save us from ourselves, but as the camera man on the Serengeti plains watching the lion chase down and kill a baby gazelle, his job is to observe not intervene.

How ever if that were the last gazelle in existence then that would change his/her role, I think the only forced meeting we would encounter in a sense of mass scale contact would be an extinction level event.

And things like Planet X are not an extinction level event, the common sense here is if its on a 3600 year orbit then its orbit is as stable as is any other orbit. Each planets frequency has an effect on each planet, even the moon has an effect on water on our planet, and we are mostly water so the moon has an effect on us too.

Until we are worth contacting or intelligent enough to understand without fear, then we will never have a mass scale contact with ET's. They will continue to select certain people for whatever purposes they deem necessary. I do not think that the abduction scenario is an ET encounter.

I am siding with Greer on this one, the importance of the person who is abducted seems to baffle us, its never famous people or people high in the community that are abducted, it seems (to me anyway) that the choice is one more of a geographical nature. Its usually always people whom other people never seem to believe, and would call crazy. This I think is very much on purpose. They for one example choose middle America to do most of it, and the people of middle America have a bad rep when it comes to level of intelligence, which is a completely false thing to think. But start talking in that southern droll and people immediately think your dumb. I think people are chosen in the sense of how far they can spread the lie. Famous people might not tell anyone, for they have everything to lose. But someone who has nothing carries no weight with regards to being taken as telling the truth.

I believe Greer when he says that there are "abduction teams" within agencies and they use the UFO card more often than not, after all if you were abducted by a team of CIA/NAZI doctors wanting to experiment on you then after wards you would be out for justice for what just happened to you, should you remember it, you would have genuine targets in your sights, but if you convince the person it was by aliens then they only tell people, they take it no further than that and who could file a lawsuit against the Grey's for instance. It is the perfect abduction cover.

Does mind control work? well as we are all on a forum often dealing with the subject I think not, not on a national scale anyway, in a lab I am sure there is a way to get someone to do absolutely anything. I think the limit of national mind control starts and ends with the TV. Once you break that cycle of needlessly watching other peoples perception of what is life ie Eastenders and Days of Our Lives etc then "broadcast TV" becomes something useless to you. However it is still a great medium for truth too.

If there was ever a movement to get behind that would speed up the entire process for awareness on this globe it would be "Full freedom of the press", it should be a publicly owned, funded and ran organization with the law stipulating that the public's right to know is paramount to any act by any government. Well when there is no secrets there is no conflict, conflict is born from the secrets between us and them.

Not one single form of information is not subject to some form of potential manipulation, no matter who they are or what it is, someone at some level has said "ok what do we do when people find out about this".
There are plans already laid out for every conceivable action the movement for truth takes, its like the dude in the chair in the movie The Matrix said, "There are acceptable levels of existence", they would sacrifice those closest to them and let us appear to have won and be fully free if it means they can continue, even if it meant returning to the back room meetings of yesteryear.

When ever we think we have got the answer we are wrong, every single time. All we have is how we individually look at things. We may be a part of the great consciousness, but at the minute we are all on our own for a very good reason. This reality is not an illusion, this reality has purpose and meaning otherwise you wouldn't be consciously in it. It may be paper thin in some places and expandable in others but you are here to do something, so the sooner we all work out what that is the better.

[novymir]

Oh, sure, mind-control doesn't work.... EGO. DENIAL.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

You guys don't even bother to check stuff out. "If it sounds good, well, that's good enough for me... "
Soooo, predictable. You best get unpredictable.
I guess it does not matter that Laurance Rockefeller, among others, has been a major funder and promoter of all this "disclosure" crap???
What you people don't realize is how far ahead intelligence-wise are those exploiting humanity. It/they is not of this world, or the known "universe". Fish in a barrel. You can't compete with the brain, you need alot more than that.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_G_6d.htm

http://www.x-ppac.org/OSTP.html

http://www.disclosureproject.org/ES-Acknowledgments-2.htm

Oh, yeah, then there's Gen. Albert Stubblebine, he also promotes the UFO thing and pretends to be an advocate of natural health, he's also connected to the Monroe Institute that seems to have become popular around here, but that's another subject...
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=97947.0
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/mindcontrol-intelligence-services.htm
Homeland Security Executive Advisory Board member?:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1613/is_7-8_12/ai_n9091297/
There's a whole can of worms to be opened. It's EASY, follow the money, what's the background, who's in the background...
Waaake-------uuuup!

[branjo]

lol

[Anders Lindman]

evil doesnt exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is a loin evil for killin a wilder beast?!! is a draconian evil for killin a human!? its in our own nature! is who we are and what we do, love each our and respect everything in the cosmos for what it is instead of labels! PEACE! :)

Let's look at an example. If a man tries to rob and kill me, then that is evil action. The man is then either doing that out of greed, or as an act of insanity. But let's say that the man has all the money and things he needs. Then the evil is not out of greed/fear, but out of insanity. So there are only two choices in this case: greed or insanity.

That's the kind of evil I mean. Evil as in greed, fear or insanity.

[Anders Lindman]

I believe Greer when he says that there are "abduction teams" within agencies and they use the UFO card more often than not, after all if you were abducted by a team of CIA/NAZI doctors wanting to experiment on you then after wards you would be out for justice for what just happened to you, should you remember it, you would have genuine targets in your sights, but if you convince the person it was by aliens then they only tell people, they take it no further than that and who could file a lawsuit against the Grey's for instance. It is the perfect abduction cover.


Yes, if abductions are real, the black op agency motivation sounds more likely than the real space alien scenario.

One important thing with technology is that it is an accelerating progress of development. Even here on Earth, with public mainstream technology, researchers say that we will reach a technological singularity within just a few decades! At the singularity, technological progress that before needed millions of years happens within each second!!! And the progress keeps on accelerating.

So civilizations either are in a pre-singularity state with very crude technologies, like we humans have today (probably even with black op technology included), OR a civilization can have reached a technological singularity and have technology that is essentially infinitely advanced.

With such kind of technology you can do anything. Of course you can also do evil (unless the technology itself is self-secure so to speak and prevents evil use which could be true), but only an insane mind would do evil then, and I doubt that a civilization that has survived and gone beyond a technological singularity is mentally ill.

[branjo]

Yes, if abductions are real, the black op agency motivation sounds more likely than the real space alien scenario.

One important thing with technology is that it is an accelerating progress of development. Even here on Earth, with public mainstream technology, researchers say that we will reach a technological singularity within just a few decades! At the singularity, technological progress that before needed millions of years happens within each second!!! And the progress keeps on accelerating.

So civilizations either are in a pre-singularity state with very crude technologies, like we humans have today (probably even with black op technology included), OR a civilization can have reached a technological singularity and have technology that is essentially infinitely advanced.

With such kind of technology you can do anything. Of course you can also do evil (unless the technology itself is self-secure so to speak and prevents evil use which could be true), but only an insane mind would do evil then, and I doubt that a civilization that has survived and gone beyond a technological singularity is mentally ill.

Precisely!

[runciter]

Yes so what if they don't have that first one. Seems like quite many humans do not have those so what are the odds.

we have something to teach them.

[romas]

we have something to teach them.



I agree, this explain why they fly around kidnapping people, they look for empathy and free will in their rectum :D

[jamesc]

Of course we can always over look Dr John Macks findings ,who believed that something non human was at work here regarding abductions.If anyone can come up with enough PROOF to say that the POSSIBILITY of some abductions from advanced ET civilisations is zero then i would love to here it.Black OP and mind control is a possibility with SOME abductions but for me personally not ALL are. To say that there is NO POSSIBILITY of some abductions being extraterrestrial in origin is a bit of a blinkered view of this incomprehensible and unamaginabley fast universe. What secrets and wonders it does this universe hold.:cool: , what level of our advancement and evolution are we at to dismiss extratresstial contacts or abductions.:confused:How and in what way can we measure our current state of evolution and technology against advanced ET civilisations , WHO really knows what is out there.These questions for me are the smoking guns that suggest that out of probability and percentages , it would be folly and very unwise to dismiss the possibilities of ET abductions.Are we not still in a very early stage of evolution and development compared to highly advanced ET CIVILISATIONS?? :cool:

PROBABILITY OF POSSIBILITIES.;)

[Anders Lindman]

Of course we can always over look Dr John Macks findings ,who believed that something non human was at work here regarding abductions.If anyone can come up with enough PROOF to say that the POSSIBILITY of some abductions from advanced ET civilisations is zero then i would love to here it.Black OP and mind control is a possibility with SOME abductions but for me personally not ALL are. To say that there is NO POSSIBILITY of some abductions being extraterrestrial in origin is a bit of a blinkered view of this incomprehensible and unamaginabley fast universe. What secrets and wonders it does this universe hold.:cool: , what level of our advancement and evolution are we at to dismiss extratresstial contacts or abductions.:confused:How and in what way can we measure our current state of evolution and technology against advanced ET civilisations , WHO really knows what is out there.These questions for me are the smoking guns that suggest that out of probability and percentages , it would be folly and very unwise to dismiss the possibilities of ET abductions.Are we not still in a very early stage of evolution and development compared to highly advanced ET CIVILISATIONS?? :cool:

PROBABILITY OF POSSIBILITIES.;)

My theory is that there are pre-singularity civilizations and post-singularity civilizations. We humans here on Earth live in a pre-singularity civilization.

Post-singularity civilizations are completely peaceful. Why? Because they would simply have blown themselves to Kingdom Kong if they didn't get the leap into post-singularity to work.

It's not a proof of course, but that's the assumption I use at the moment.

[jamesc]

My theory is that there are pre-singularity civilizations and post-singularity civilizations. We humans here on Earth live in a pre-singularity civilization.

Post-singularity civilizations are completely peaceful. Why? Because they would simply have blown themselves to Kingdom Kong if they didn't get the leap into post-singularity to work.

It's not a proof of course, but that's the assumption I use at the moment.

Interesting theory and why not eh, for me its all about keeping a open mind , you need to judging by the vastness of this universe, not to forget also the possibilities of parallel universes and other dimensions of existence. Quantum physics are touching on this just now and who knows what will eventually be discovered through this science.:)

[Anders Lindman]

Interesting theory and why not eh, for me its all about keeping a open mind , you need to judging by the vastness of this universe, not to forget also the possibilities of parallel universes and other dimensions of existence. Quantum physics are touching on this just now and who knows what will eventually be discovered through this science.:)

The strange thing with the singularity theory is that if other civilizations (it's enough with just one) have reached a technological singularity (and managed to survive it), then that means essentially infinitely advanced technology, which in turn means that such technology can already exist here on Earth down to a subatomic level. Technology that could reside in every atom and do just about anything with physical matter, even creating new matter out of 'empty' space.

This further means that this technology is waiting for us, and maybe already could be used by us? For things that today would look like mind-blowing magic.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke

[majorlee]

Primitive could be the wrong word. It's more like planet Earth is like an egg at the moment, and we humans are like a chicken growing inside that egg.

We are not meant to break the eggshell so to speak before we have matured enough. That would be similar to a chicken breaking out of its egg before it was fully developed. Not good.



agreed in some ways

but i see the earth as more of a human waiting to be born, were getting towards the delivery time now and there will be some birthing pains along the way

the human race has evolved in a curious way and especially most recently, it will be time much remembered in our history as a turning point


all the technology is around us, but we gotta learn how to use it, appricate it and most importantly respect it. ET's can be uncomfortable with us having technology that can be very damaging to them, space-time or infinity.


u may meet evil aliens but for sure they wont be around for long or have hell of a time struggling through it, when ur technologyically advanced enuf then there is no time for war, fighting, violence, greed, jealousy and fear against others.

every space-faring race would have gone through a period like what we are experiencing now, i just think we aint doing so well at it as others did!!!!!

[Anders Lindman]

agreed in some ways

but i see the earth as more of a human waiting to be born, were getting towards the delivery time now and there will be some birthing pains along the way

the human race has evolved in a curious way and especially most recently, it will be time much remembered in our history as a turning point


all the technology is around us, but we gotta learn how to use it, appricate it and most importantly respect it. ET's can be uncomfortable with us having technology that can be very damaging to them, space-time or infinity.


u may meet evil aliens but for sure they wont be around for long or have hell of a time struggling through it, when ur technologyically advanced enuf then there is no time for war, fighting, violence, greed, jealousy and fear against others.

every space-faring race would have gone through a period like what we are experiencing now, i just think we aint doing so well at it as others did!!!!!

Yes, a human baby to be born could be a better analogy than a chicken being hatched. Even something like the birth of Gaia, a planetary being, could be a better description. Researchers like Peter Russell and Bruce Lipton have talked about that.

Maybe 2012 is the birth date of Gaia?

Anyway, it's interesting times even though there may be some more birth pangs to come.

[lightblessins]

Let's look at an example. If a man tries to rob and kill me, then that is evil action. The man is then either doing that out of greed, or as an act of insanity. But let's say that the man has all the money and things he needs. Then the evil is not out of greed/fear, but out of insanity. So there are only two choices in this case: greed or insanity.

That's the kind of evil I mean. Evil as in greed, fear or insanity.

ur labeling a low vibrational act as evil, thats fine i accept for what it is. peace :)

[novymir]

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[coco]

I don't understand why he concludes that a civilization capable of interstellar travel wouldn't need or want anything from earth. That's like saying that once humans figured out how to build large sailing vessels they wouldn't want to use them to acquire different resources from around the world.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2cxw9hw.jpg

[Anders Lindman]

Visitors from clearly NOT a post-singularity civilization:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsXnK0ouTL8

:D

[mrindigo]

I don't understand why he concludes that a civilization capable of interstellar travel wouldn't need or want anything from earth. That's like saying that once humans figured out how to build large sailing vessels they wouldn't want to use them to acquire different resources from around the world.

It makes sense if you think about it. If they're capable of interstellar space travel, why would they need to specifically target Earth for any sort of resource? They could go and harvest dead planets and asteroid belts without harming other animals.
They may even be beyond having to physically harvest minerals and metals like we do. There are an uncountable amount of varying particles floating around in space. Who knows, maybe they might possess the ability to attract these particles to machinery? I think of it like waving a big magnet over iron or steel shavings.

[majorlee]

It makes sense if you think about it. If they're capable of interstellar space travel, why would they need to specifically target Earth for any sort of resource? They could go and harvest dead planets and asteroid belts without harming other animals.
They may even be beyond having to physically harvest minerals and metals like we do. There are an uncountable amount of varying particles floating around in space. Who knows, maybe they might possess the ability to attract these particles to machinery? I think of it like waving a big magnet over iron or steel shavings.


you make perfect sense with what you saying there my friend...

if any evil space aliens exist (space-faring/intelligent), its only in a creation of the PTB to keep you all in fear!

[branjo]

When we attach fear to any conspiracy theory, then we travel the road already paved for us. The PTB know that if the truth starts to leak out then its better that the people fear it, that way they are still left with an element of control to work with.

This is why I am not into the whole evil reptilian thing, I think it has been introduced strategically to keep separation a factor and the fear of it just fuels that separation.

Surely common sense isn't something a species grows out of as they become more intelligent, anything intelligent knows things no matter how intricate something appears, there is always a base simplicity to it.

The only weapon the PTB have ever had or ever really needed is to generate fear at the push of a button, they have it down to a fine art. It takes nothing more than confidence in ones existence to bypass all their hard work and see things as they truly are.

We are all different and all the same to some degree, the similarities we all have are what they focus on, its our compassion for other human beings that makes us so gullible. We see starving children in the world and we reach into our pockets to help them, when barely a single penny ever makes its way to them. We see the families of 9/11 victims sorrowfully crying and we want justice for them, then we vote for the war in Iraq, thinking that's justice. Then we see the horror that is Iraq today and then someone who stands out above all the rest in the government speaks out against it, so we elected Obama and Iraq just keeps on getting worse, but as the media reports it less, it appears to be better on the news.

How fortunate for leaders that men do not think....Adolf Hitler.

We are coming close to a new kind of disclosure regarding extra terrestrial life and you bet your bottom dollar that someone is waiting in the wings to shift that interest into fear.

My own summation of the mindset of ET's is this, It think hey have long since put aside war and barbarism as a means to anything, I think they have told our PTB that they come in peace and under no circumstances do they mean us harm, not even in the sense to defend themselves. I think our PTB have realized no matter what they do to the ET's they will never strike back in anger, so they tell us lies about them and spread so much disinformation about them knowing by doing this there is no price to pay for it.
They can slander the ET's with no reprisal of judgment other than their own karma's, which they clearly brush aside as meaningless. They know if the people drift towards the ET's with compassion that they will loose grip on their own sense of worth.
Much like the creation of America, they only let the people here feel freedom so they could weaken the kingdoms around the world by taking their people from under them, they know how this goes and they are afraid it will happen to their system of control.

People are so wrapped up in the fear, that its like an addiction to them. They selectively read only things that show ET's in a negative light, they actually love the suspicion and to reach a conclusion based only on negativity, then they turn around and say we have to fight them and kill them because they are controlling us. Sounds like another kind of manipulation we have been subjected to before. Basically every time we go to war we are told by someone that we need to fight to stay alive, and to stave off evil we must attack first, that we must act aggressively in the name of peace.

If we all agree that the human soul is not bound to the lifespan of the body then what ever happens to the body is only ever temporary. There is no lasting effects from death, once it finally happens then that's it. If through death we are still filled with so much fear then is it possible we could transfer that fear into the next life, maybe that fear causes us to want another life. Do we need to satisfy the want for life by relentlessly living again and again in the same process, like trying to reclaim an hour of sleep that you lost.

I think there are many many different races of ET's all around us, some may exist in the physical and some in the spiritual, but all are aware of each other. I think there are some that are far more intelligent and some maybe the same as us (or should I say "those that know the truth"), I do not for one second think your eternal soul is in danger from any single one of them. Some will feel a sense power over our needless addiction to fear and others will wait patiently for us to realize that there is no reason to fear anything and when we realize this they may just say hello.

After all if you put yourself in their shoes and you mean absolutely no harm, your not going to want to just appear all of a sudden in the sky with huge mother ships, people would just freak out running around screaming "invasion". I think no matter how long it takes they will constantly leave the door always open and wait for us to ascend mentally or spiritually to the level they have reached.

I doubt I can say I would be ready in this lifetime to comprehend that kind of contact, sure its an imaginative daydream, but there is far to much fear programming in us all for that to be a smooth transition, I would like to think I would be cool about it, but I would also think it would be an enormous inflated ego to just assume it too.

Until we get every single fear under control with rational minds we will not be ready for any of this stuff, it will remain in our minds as science fiction. I hate to seem like I am not looking into a bright future but the journey we have to travel has to be far more than any of us can possibly conceive.

People think that in 4 years we will know everything with regard to 2012, but what if its only the first baby step in knowing ourselves, maybe we should concentrate on understanding why we need to fear and judge as an entire species, when we are only fearing and judging ourselves.

Maybe in a thousand years we can look back into history with hindsight and say "yes, 2012, that's when it all started to change for the better", but nothing is going to get better by doing nothing for ourselves. If the evil NWO is going to try and control the world I say let them do what they want, but don't lift a finger to make it easy for them, don't be what they need you to be, they crave resistance, that's why Hollywood glorifies "The Resistance". Just like they need "terrorists" for the war on terror, when "the war on terror" is the bloody terror to begin with..lol.

The NWO will try and fail, just like every other time, they may have a few years with the sense that they are the kings of the world, but then it will all fall to shit and they will look like idiots for even trying.

So the longer the threat of the NWO goes on, the longer the fear of it continues, I say bring it on and give it your best shot, and when you fail, sit back down and shut the fuck up and let people decide their own fate. The sooner it happens the sooner we can historically close the door on it. I have a strong suspicion that the love of life is the root cause for controlling life, we shouldn't get hung up on this life being a one shot deal, we all could have been here for horrible times like WWI, WWII etc, we could be dragging all that baggage around with us from life to life, I just feel like its time to set down the baggage and just say fuck it, what ever happens, happens, I am just not going to be constantly trying to cheat life by fearing death, forever!

There comes a point when you just have to tell the fucker with the gun to your head, "Just get on with it, and stop acting like a twat".

I am getting so sick of this "we need to do something" attitude but yet we don't know what to do, the real truth is "they" need to do something first, they are constantly threatening to do this or do that and we run around trying to find an answer to things that haven't even happened yet. All it does is cause more anxiety and more fear and more control for them. They don't even need to use these FEMA camps to control people, just building the damn things seems to be already driving fear into people.

The only thing we positively "need" to do, is stop looking for external things to do, the answer has always been on the inside, it is the most accessible means to "change" that we have ever had or even needed.
Lead by example, not by accusations, people will stand with other like minded people, they will only temporarily follow people who shout truth the loudest, empower people by empowering yourself. And just like your mom told you, "Just doing your best is all that you can hope to do". So don't feel bad if you fail, because you can never fail by doing something worthwhile, and we are not just in this for the next couple of years people, we are in in for the evolution of our species, sorry if that sounded incredibly cheesy.

Instead of their,.... Problem, Action Solution.

Try,

Problem, Action, Solution, Re-action, Evolution, no more Problem.

I know I talk shit sometimes, but I just think its good to share a thought when it arises, sometimes I think I am doing the right thing for me, and other times I know I get upset about issues when they are going no where other than more argument, life is getting confusing, there are very few things to grip onto as solid truth these days, but what we hold inside of each and every one of us.

[novymir]

I don't Fear "them". I Know what they are. And I Know what I Am.
I don't need to fear anything. I Trust in THAT from which I and All Life came. Come what may.

The only thing that comes close to fear with me is Knowing the level of deception of this world and how people who are unaware are going to perceive/experience what is to come. It's going to be very painful for those that cling to error.
I Am unconcerned about my own future, I will be free, I Am Becoming Free. As will ALL.


I have confronted my fears, those deep-down buried terrors, have you? We all have them, denial won't work, it will only give "them" something to use against you later, "They" know what they are, unless you surrender, then they will give you petty rewards. Like a trustee in a prison camp.

[mrindigo]

if any evil space aliens exist (space-faring/intelligent), its only in a creation of the PTB to keep you all in fear!

I agree with you. :)

[mrindigo]

When we attach fear to any conspiracy theory, then we travel the road already paved for us. The PTB know that if the truth starts to leak out then its better that the people fear it, that way they are still left with an element of control to work with.

This is why I am not into the whole evil reptilian thing, I think it has been introduced strategically to keep separation a factor and the fear of it just fuels that separation.

Surely common sense isn't something a species grows out of as they become more intelligent, anything intelligent knows things no matter how intricate something appears, there is always a base simplicity to it.

The only weapon the PTB have ever had or ever really needed is to generate fear at the push of a button, they have it down to a fine art. It takes nothing more than confidence in ones existence to bypass all their hard work and see things as they truly are.

We are all different and all the same to some degree, the similarities we all have are what they focus on, its our compassion for other human beings that makes us so gullible. We see starving children in the world and we reach into our pockets to help them, when barely a single penny ever makes its way to them. We see the families of 9/11 victims sorrowfully crying and we want justice for them, then we vote for the war in Iraq, thinking that's justice. Then we see the horror that is Iraq today and then someone who stands out above all the rest in the government speaks out against it, so we elected Obama and Iraq just keeps on getting worse, but as the media reports it less, it appears to be better on the news.

How fortunate for leaders that men do not think....Adolf Hitler.

We are coming close to a new kind of disclosure regarding extra terrestrial life and you bet your bottom dollar that someone is waiting in the wings to shift that interest into fear.

My own summation of the mindset of ET's is this, It think hey have long since put aside war and barbarism as a means to anything, I think they have told our PTB that they come in peace and under no circumstances do they mean us harm, not even in the sense to defend themselves. I think our PTB have realized no matter what they do to the ET's they will never strike back in anger, so they tell us lies about them and spread so much disinformation about them knowing by doing this there is no price to pay for it.
They can slander the ET's with no reprisal of judgment other than their own karma's, which they clearly brush aside as meaningless. They know if the people drift towards the ET's with compassion that they will loose grip on their own sense of worth.
Much like the creation of America, they only let the people here feel freedom so they could weaken the kingdoms around the world by taking their people from under them, they know how this goes and they are afraid it will happen to their system of control.

People are so wrapped up in the fear, that its like an addiction to them. They selectively read only things that show ET's in a negative light, they actually love the suspicion and to reach a conclusion based only on negativity, then they turn around and say we have to fight them and kill them because they are controlling us. Sounds like another kind of manipulation we have been subjected to before. Basically every time we go to war we are told by someone that we need to fight to stay alive, and to stave off evil we must attack first, that we must act aggressively in the name of peace.

If we all agree that the human soul is not bound to the lifespan of the body then what ever happens to the body is only ever temporary. There is no lasting effects from death, once it finally happens then that's it. If through death we are still filled with so much fear then is it possible we could transfer that fear into the next life, maybe that fear causes us to want another life. Do we need to satisfy the want for life by relentlessly living again and again in the same process, like trying to reclaim an hour of sleep that you lost.

I think there are many many different races of ET's all around us, some may exist in the physical and some in the spiritual, but all are aware of each other. I think there are some that are far more intelligent and some maybe the same as us (or should I say "those that know the truth"), I do not for one second think your eternal soul is in danger from any single one of them. Some will feel a sense power over our needless addiction to fear and others will wait patiently for us to realize that there is no reason to fear anything and when we realize this they may just say hello.

After all if you put yourself in their shoes and you mean absolutely no harm, your not going to want to just appear all of a sudden in the sky with huge mother ships, people would just freak out running around screaming "invasion". I think no matter how long it takes they will constantly leave the door always open and wait for us to ascend mentally or spiritually to the level they have reached.

I doubt I can say I would be ready in this lifetime to comprehend that kind of contact, sure its an imaginative daydream, but there is far to much fear programming in us all for that to be a smooth transition, I would like to think I would be cool about it, but I would also think it would be an enormous inflated ego to just assume it too.

Until we get every single fear under control with rational minds we will not be ready for any of this stuff, it will remain in our minds as science fiction. I hate to seem like I am not looking into a bright future but the journey we have to travel has to be far more than any of us can possibly conceive.

People think that in 4 years we will know everything with regard to 2012, but what if its only the first baby step in knowing ourselves, maybe we should concentrate on understanding why we need to fear and judge as an entire species, when we are only fearing and judging ourselves.

Maybe in a thousand years we can look back into history with hindsight and say "yes, 2012, that's when it all started to change for the better", but nothing is going to get better by doing nothing for ourselves. If the evil NWO is going to try and control the world I say let them do what they want, but don't lift a finger to make it easy for them, don't be what they need you to be, they crave resistance, that's why Hollywood glorifies "The Resistance". Just like they need "terrorists" for the war on terror, when "the war on terror" is the bloody terror to begin with..lol.

The NWO will try and fail, just like every other time, they may have a few years with the sense that they are the kings of the world, but then it will all fall to shit and they will look like idiots for even trying.

So the longer the threat of the NWO goes on, the longer the fear of it continues, I say bring it on and give it your best shot, and when you fail, sit back down and shut the fuck up and let people decide their own fate. The sooner it happens the sooner we can historically close the door on it. I have a strong suspicion that the love of life is the root cause for controlling life, we shouldn't get hung up on this life being a one shot deal, we all could have been here for horrible times like WWI, WWII etc, we could be dragging all that baggage around with us from life to life, I just feel like its time to set down the baggage and just say fuck it, what ever happens, happens, I am just not going to be constantly trying to cheat life by fearing death, forever!

There comes a point when you just have to tell the fucker with the gun to your head, "Just get on with it, and stop acting like a twat".

I am getting so sick of this "we need to do something" attitude but yet we don't know what to do, the real truth is "they" need to do something first, they are constantly threatening to do this or do that and we run around trying to find an answer to things that haven't even happened yet. All it does is cause more anxiety and more fear and more control for them. They don't even need to use these FEMA camps to control people, just building the damn things seems to be already driving fear into people.

The only thing we positively "need" to do, is stop looking for external things to do, the answer has always been on the inside, it is the most accessible means to "change" that we have ever had or even needed.
Lead by example, not by accusations, people will stand with other like minded people, they will only temporarily follow people who shout truth the loudest, empower people by empowering yourself. And just like your mom told you, "Just doing your best is all that you can hope to do". So don't feel bad if you fail, because you can never fail by doing something worthwhile, and we are not just in this for the next couple of years people, we are in in for the evolution of our species, sorry if that sounded incredibly cheesy.

Instead of their,.... Problem, Action Solution.

Try,

Problem, Action, Solution, Re-action, Evolution, no more Problem.

I know I talk shit sometimes, but I just think its good to share a thought when it arises, sometimes I think I am doing the right thing for me, and other times I know I get upset about issues when they are going no where other than more argument, life is getting confusing, there are very few things to grip onto as solid truth these days, but what we hold inside of each and every one of us.

I've been trying to get away from quoting walls of text and then adding more, but this time it's justified:D.

We all talk shit at some point, so no worries. The trade off is we also have our moments of profound wisdom, like that which you've clearly shown in this wonderful post of yours.

You've pretty much covered just about every issue that seems to pop up on these forums. What I like is that you've given these subjects a review of your own rather than parroting others.

I agree with everything you've gone over, and couldn't have said it better myself. There are certain parts that stuck out more for me than others. One of them was the part about people trying to push others to do something about the elite and their NWO. The ironic thing about that is it's no different than the aggressive peace keeping you've described. "We need to strike them before they strike us", seems to be the jist of it. This is exactly what they want to happen, as you've also said. If they're attacked then it gives them justification for tightening their grip on humanity. It makes them look good.
The whole second amendment bit that everyone seems to be clinging to ties into that too. "I'll put a bullet in their brain if they come for me!" again, that's what they want. They're going to try and push these people further before actually going to get them. They'll be pushed to a point where they either snap and start shooting at cops and government buildings, or they'll riot. They won't risk rushing in and just taking people without having a seemingly valid reason to show the country and world. What's kind of funny is the fact that all of this fear that they're orchestrating is more harmful and poisonous to the mind and body than any tainted vaccine or man-made flu. So yeah, enough with the attempts to strike first. It'll just be the same construct with a different mask if people react that way.



I've been thinking about contact with E.Ts as well for a very long time. I agree with your conclusion that many may not be ready for it. When I think about it I'm reminded of the petty differences that people hang on constantly, even on these forums. I see pro racism, anti racism, pro religion, anti religion, discussions on which sex is more 'awake', and it's ridiculous :rolleyes:. We're all people who are made of the same flesh and bone, who just get through life to the best of our personal abilities. That mindset is all part of that fear and ignorance that grips the human world. All it does is drive wedges between each other, limiting communication between cultures and gender. What few of those people advocating those things realize, is all that does it help the elite even more. If we were able to get past all of that and put our differences aside for the progression of humanity, then there is no telling what great things we could all accomplish. United together, any threat from groups like the Illuminati would be like that of a flea chewing at the ankle of an elephant. :D

On a similarly related note: I also find the prospect of space travel at this time for our species to be something that should be set aside for later. There are many arguments that man has the technology for it, and others that say that man doesn't; That's beside the possible fact(s) though. We can't even live harmoniously with this planet, let alone our own species. The world leaders wake up with the mentality of "So, who wants to blow me off the map today?" *throws a dart at the map* We can't even set aside military and excessive government spending to use that money to help our fellow men, women, and children in other countries who are starving. It seems like we're just constantly stepping on each other, and for what? Now I ask, how the hell does anyone who is pro space travel expect humanity to deal with the possibility of traveling through space, finding a inhabited planet, and attempting diplomatic communication with all of the above? I can see it now.


"That alien over there won't agree to give me his land for this bar of soap...TERRORIST!", then the planet gets nuked.

NWO president on a broadcast - "People of planet Microsoft, we have eliminated a great threat to our planet today. It's unfortunate that we had to deal with the Sealkittens of planet cuteness-306.8 on this day. Know this though, we will not tolerate those who try and take away our freedoms with acts of terrorism like that which they have so clearly shown."

It's a bit of a dramatization there, but it's comical and gets the point across. :D

As a species, we do have a long way to go before we really progress. This fear and selfishness that's dominant right now needs to be shed for that happen though. It won't be an easy journey, but it also won't be impossible. :)

[branjo]

I know exactly what you mean Mrindigo, if we were to take the present earth attitude into outer space, the first planet we encounter with intelligent life will want nothing to do with us for fear of ending up just like us. If someone is out there on the verge of introducing themselves to us, they must be quite confused by how utterly stupid and blind we can be. I would actually feel embarrassed for ET's to come to this planet, like having visitors arrive at your house and its in a mess, kind of feeling...lol

We really do have to get this conflict addiction under control or at least recognize that its there. I know I am guilty of being confrontational in this very forum and every time I get into a battle with someone I can hear something in me saying to just "let it go, its not worth it", but stubbornness just blinds me and I know its all about ego. I mean, do each of us have so many friends that we can afford to loose even one to some pointless argument. You never know who you will depend on or help in the future so I myself am going to try and just take a step back before putting my brain into action and saying something that's just not really me at all.

Its great when someone understands where you are coming from, thank you for that my friend it really meant a lot to me.

Peace Brother

[mrindigo]

I know exactly what you mean Mrindigo, if we were to take the present earth attitude into outer space, the first planet we encounter with intelligent life will want nothing to do with us for fear of ending up just like us. If someone is out there on the verge of introducing themselves to us, they must be quite confused by how utterly stupid and blind we can be. I would actually feel embarrassed for ET's to come to this planet, like having visitors arrive at your house and its in a mess, kind of feeling...lol

We really do have to get this conflict addiction under control or at least recognize that its there. I know I am guilty of being confrontational in this very forum and every time I get into a battle with someone I can hear something in me saying to just "let it go, its not worth it", but stubbornness just blinds me and I know its all about ego. I mean, do each of us have so many friends that we can afford to loose even one to some pointless argument. You never know who you will depend on or help in the future so I myself am going to try and just take a step back before putting my brain into action and saying something that's just not really me at all.

Its great when someone understands where you are coming from, thank you for that my friend it really meant a lot to me.

Peace Brother

It meant a lot to me as well seeing someone else who shares like-minded ideas. Thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts out there.

I can be confrontational at times as well :o. I'm trying to get past that too, but old habits die hard :D.

I got a good chuckle out of the part where you mentioned the E.Ts visiting and being a bit embarrassed. I imagined world leaders trying to sweep nuclear armaments under a tiny throw rug. "Ohh this place is such a mess, please excuse it!" :D

Take care, I hope you have a good weekend!:)

[Anders Lindman]

Until we get every single fear under control with rational minds we will not be ready for any of this stuff, it will remain in our minds as science fiction.

Yes, AND that we remain sane. A sane person is only dangerous if he or she has fear. A person who is 100% safe and secure would only be dangerous if he or she was a sociopath or something like that.

Maybe actually an evolutionary leap is needed for that. I can't really see how we could become totally fearless as the world is today. Maybe we could individually make such leap, and then become fearless even while the world is still as it is today. By entering some higher level of consciousness that can avoid dangers by knowing more.