They're at it again

[big_al]

http://snipurl.com/nantt


Everything in balance people, everything in balance.

[scatlond]

Bring back the truncheon.:rolleyes:

[size_of_light]

:eek:

And you're an ex-cop too? :o

Wowwww!

Can I feel your bicep?

[drhemp]

Thank you for reminding me how much I hate The Sun.

As I never buy that rubbish sometimes one needs reminding how awful it is.

[merlincove]

Guns = fear

fear = manipulated threat

manipulated threat = fear

fear = ..........

And the sheeple believe this crap?

[deafbred]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00844/SNF13POLX-280_844179a.jpg

Bravery ... Britain's bobbies risk their
lives to protect us from gunmen
PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOUR 'LIFE'

~~~~~~THEY WANT YOUR PROPERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOV IS SET UP TO SAFEGAURD OUR PROPERTY

NOT OUR LIVES!

YOUR LIFE ISN'T VALUABLE TO THEM, but your property is......~!


theives don't want your life. THEY WANT, ALL YOU GOT!

[big_al]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00844/SNF13POLX-280_844179a.jpg

Bravery ... Britain's bobbies risk their
lives to protect us from gunmen

PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOUR 'LIFE'

~~~~~~THEY WANT YOUR PROPERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOV IS SET UP TO SAFEGAURD OUR PROPERTY

NOT OUR LIVES!

YOUR LIFE ISN'T VALUABLE TO THEM, but your property is......~!

Stay off the whacky tobacco

[decim]

When people in the UK get shot, it is usually a member of the public who is the shootee & a crook who is the shooter.

Then they give the guns to the police, how does that stop the public getting shot then?

The police are protecting themselves & their masters from us, we are a necessary inconvenience.... for now.

[big_al]

When people in the UK get shot, it is usually a member of the public who is the shootee & a crook who is the shooter.

Then they give the guns to the police, how does that stop the public getting shot then?

The police are protecting themselves & their masters from us, we are a necessary inconvenience.... for now.

By that logic then what your really after is an armed policeman on every street corner, just so they can be right at hand in case an armed robbery goes down and they can step in between the shooter and the shootee.

[yozhik]

Move along ... nothing to see here.
Nice piece of P.R from The Sun.
... and let's be honest, the policy enforcers DESPERATELY need some P.R.

Their behaviour, corruption and attitude is so bad, there is no way they would get any "organic" positive publicity, so they rely on MSM hacks and propaganda sheets of the PTB to provide it for them.

Actions speak louder than words ... so their piss poor actions will drown out the prostituted words from a street corner whore of a newspaper ... just a matter of time.

[decim]

By that logic then what your really after is an armed policeman on every street corner, just so they can be right at hand in case an armed robbery goes down and they can step in between the shooter and the shootee.

Nope.

Pick any prize from the lower shelf.

[big_al]

Move along ... nothing to see here.
Nice piece of P.R from The Sun.
... and let's be honest, the policy enforcers DESPERATELY need some P.R.

Their behaviour, corruption and attitude is so bad, there is no way they would get any "organic" positive publicity, so they rely on MSM hacks and propaganda sheets of the PTB to provide it for them.

Actions speak louder than words ... so their piss poor actions will drown out the prostituted words from a street corner whore of a newspaper ... just a matter of time.

Regardless of whatever the newspaper is I would have hoped you would have had the decency to look at the stories of individuals. But of course not - why would you? It doesn't fit in with your agenda.

[big_al]

Nope.

Pick any prize from the lower shelf.


'Nope' what? I just blew a massive hole in your logic and all you can say is 'Nope'?

[decim]

'Nope' what? I just blew a massive hole in your logic and all you can say is 'Nope'?

You did?

Suggesting an armed copper on every street corner is blowing a hole in my logic of citizens being able to defend themselves?

Coppers & crooks shoot & kill the general public not vice versa.

[yozhik]

Regardless of whatever the newspaper is I would have hoped you would have had the decency to look at the stories of individuals. But of course not - why would you? It doesn't fit in with your agenda.

No agenda.
I simply detest sensationalism and poor journalism.
This wasn't reporting so much as it was a PR campaign.

As I have stated, ad nauseum, I commend the true police officers and they do a fine job.

However, my post stands.
Overall the policy enforcement units do a fucking terrible, shoddy, piss poor job ... and if not for sensationalist journalism and whoring of column inches by editors and MSM owners, there wouldn't be enough "good" about the police to report.

The article is a beat up ... which is a shame for those men who did an outstanding job.

[wise haven]

Be straight with me Al - why are you posting here?

If you have a point of view to get across that you think is valuable please try to do it so people do not think you are taking the piss.

It is great to get different points of view - all part of the education process - but if you have a serious motive you do not seem to be doing yourself any favours.

It seems that you are an ex policeman - if that is the case please let us know how you see things from your point of view.

I think it is apparent that the majority here respect the police who are committed to providing that real protection from crime and violence that some officers are committed to. The problem is that many see the police as policy or political enforcers - which they do not approve of.

Could you set us right - so that we understand your real position on policing.....please :D

[yozhik]

wise_haven ... he's having fun.
Enjoys a bit of "blood sport".
Knows his views are diametrically opposed to the majority on here, but likes to feel his kahunas frequently ... so jumps into the forum, throws some bait around, to see how many fish are biting and to see if he can land any big ones.

Just a case of big-game fishing.

It's also known as trolling; to intentionally bait ... but whenever someone offers the word "troll", it is immediately jumped on and people are all too willing to defend the right to opposing views.

You can have opposing views, without being a troll. :)
But let's give big_al the benefit of the doubt and just say he is an avid fan of offshore sportfishing.

[wise haven]

wise_haven ... he's having fun.
Enjoys a bit of "blood sport".
Knows his views are diametrically opposed to the majority on here, but likes to feel his kahunas frequently ... so jumps into the forum, throws some bait around, to see how many fish are biting and to see if he can land any big ones.

Just a case of big-game fishing.

It's also known as trolling; to intentionally bait ... but whenever someone offers the word "troll", it is immediately jumped on and people are all too willing to defend the right to opposing views.

You can have opposing views, without being a troll. :)
But let's give big_al the benefit of the doubt and just say he is an avid fan of offshore sportfishing.

I think you have hit the nail on the head Yoz - I just wanted to hear it from the horses mouth.

Seems the horse has bolted though - to pastures new and across bridges with troll brethren to greet :D

He has had his opportunity to present his sincere point of view - but seems not to want a platform to present his argument/s

Never mind - next! :D

[breezinreezin]

I was just going to say sport. Pure and simple. Let's go and wind up those Icke nutters. I can't say that I don't have fleeting, trollistic tendecies myself. I think many have. But I get serious enough about just enough topics to avert my shadow from completely taking over. Muhhhahaha and all that;)

[merlincove]

Also, i've been seeing this for a long time.

if you are doing an armed robbery and a peace officer (laughable i know, how can he be a peace officer with a weapon of war?*) shows up with a gun, the guy is going to get shot, because the robber knows if he doesn't take the cop out the sop is going to take him out. And once the cop is out there is one more gun on the streets.

The state is getting itself preped for a national emergence (emergency?) of new thinkers, a public who has had enough of false enforcement. The Sun is helping the state flex its muscles - it is the pre match preamble, 'hrugh, i'm gonna pull his arms out, hrgh...' 'Grrr, he says he's gonna pull my arm,s out, i'd like to see him do that without any teeth..'

None of it makes sense until you look with a trained eye and see problem reaction solution.

Sheeple don't know what PRS is tho :confused:

* is like saying that 'we' went to war to avert war.

[big_al]

You did?

Suggesting an armed copper on every street corner is blowing a hole in my logic of citizens being able to defend themselves?

Coppers & crooks shoot & kill the general public not vice versa.

You said that the Police are armed to protect themselves. You said they are never there to protect the public, just themselves and their masters.

Right, by that logic in order for them to be 'there', to protect the public, they would either have to have advance knowledge that a crime was going to be committed so they could be there or we have them on every street corner so in the event that a 'shooter' whips out his gun then there's an armed policeman right at hand.

What your comment failed to take account of the is the whole dial 999 thing.

Be straight with me Al - why are you posting here?

If you have a point of view to get across that you think is valuable please try to do it so people do not think you are taking the piss.

It is great to get different points of view - all part of the education process - but if you have a serious motive you do not seem to be doing yourself any favours.

It seems that you are an ex policeman - if that is the case please let us know how you see things from your point of view.

I think it is apparent that the majority here respect the police who are committed to providing that real protection from crime and violence that some officers are committed to. The problem is that many see the police as policy or political enforcers - which they do not approve of.

Could you set us right - so that we understand your real position on policing.....please :D

Why do I post here - well believe it or not alternative theories do actual interest me.

What's my stance? Officially? My stance is that the majority of police officers are genuinely trying to do a good job. There are however 'bad apples' but they are not the majority. What has to be remembered though is that all police officers are humans and are subject to human failings, just like everyone else.

They can make error's in judgement, lose their tempers, have bad days, see 'red mist', be stressed out or under pressure just like everyone else that does not however make that individual a 'fascist pig' for evermore and neither does the actions of one or a handful of police officers make all police officers 'fascist pigs' for ever more.

And that seems to be the theme right here on this website and I think a little bit of balance is needed. A couple of vidoes gets posted and all of a sudden, every copper in the world is a 'fascist pig'. Have you ever thought about working out how many police officers there are in the world and what their combined hours would amount to then comparing it against the number of videos that show poor police behaviour? The difference between worldwide total man hours worked versus shit videos would be astronomical.

So if that's the case just what is every copper doing with themselves or the rest of the 38hrs 55 minutes they work? Zapping people who's videos we havent seen yet?

For example - 10 years ago I got arrested by a neighbouring force. I was from the area that the neighbouring force covered. I shit you not the written evidence against me, written by one PC, was not how it happened. Eventually when I obtained all copies of the the Police reports, the Complaints department (generally hated amongst the police because they were out to 'get' other police officers) took one look at the evidence and smelt a rat and as a consequence they actually supported me and I wasnt disciplined at all (bringing the force into disrepute).

However the process was started and had to go its course. Eventually I escaped without a conviction, however the damage it did still affected my chances of transfering to a neighbouring force to the force area I was arrested in and consequently I lost my transfer.

Naturally from day one I fuckin hated the police from the force area I was arrested in. They fuckin stitched up another copper and I could have honestly have killed that one PC who did that to me.

However a couple of years later I got injured and ended up retiring and moved back to my home area. I got a job which brought me into contact with the Police and intiailly I was very wary of the officers I would meet, but once I got to know them they were a good humoured set of men and women and I actually enjoyed there company.

It was then that I reaslised that all the hate I had been harboring towards this one particular force was misguided and really I was judging a lot of people on the actions of one man, which was wrong.

And that's what's going on in here - 90% of you are watching video clips that in the majority of cases are not telling you the whole story, or some of you have had one bad experience and because of it, you are unfairly branding a whole load of other people.

Sorry for the long post, but you know if I can have a shitty experience that the majority of you here have never had and move past it and see through it, then I dont see why 90 % of you here cant.

[yozhik]

big_al ... nice post.

Thanks for the background - explains a lot.
Might even be a great launchpad for some meaningful debate instead of the usual mudslinging and baiting (from both sides)

[big_al]

Yes...yozhik, wise haven and breeze... that post took some time to type.

Do you want to come back to my place?

[runlikehell]

Thank you for reminding me how much I hate The Sun.

As I never buy that rubbish sometimes one needs reminding how awful it is.

Agreed Dr Hemp!

It's not even worth wiping you ass with!

Wipeing shite! with shite!, dosen't give you a clean bum! :p

[cpfc12]

"And that seems to be the theme right here on this website and I think a little bit of balance is needed. A couple of vidoes gets posted and all of a sudden, every copper in the world is a 'fascist pig'. Have you ever thought about working out how many police officers there are in the world and what their combined hours would amount to then comparing it against the number of videos that show poor police behaviour? The difference between worldwide total man hours worked versus shit videos would be astronomical.

So if that's the case just what is every copper doing with themselves or the rest of the 38hrs 55 minutes they work? Zapping people who's videos we havent seen yet?
"

lol yeah very true, i think people gotta ask themselves, why the media are doing this smear campaign on all the police in the country, its too complex and hate filled, to simply be some random rant, or just trying to appease the masses, as the effects it has had as been enormous.

[alpha]

Also, i've been seeing this for a long time.

if you are doing an armed robbery and a peace officer (laughable i know, how can he be a peace officer with a weapon of war?*) shows up with a gun, the guy is going to get shot, because the robber knows if he doesn't take the cop out the sop is going to take him out. And once the cop is out there is one more gun on the streets.

The state is getting itself preped for a national emergence (emergency?) of new thinkers, a public who has had enough of false enforcement. The Sun is helping the state flex its muscles - it is the pre match preamble, 'hrugh, i'm gonna pull his arms out, hrgh...' 'Grrr, he says he's gonna pull my arm,s out, i'd like to see him do that without any teeth..'

None of it makes sense until you look with a trained eye and see problem reaction solution.

Sheeple don't know what PRS is tho :confused:

* is like saying that 'we' went to war to avert war.

abso-fucking-lootley

[mynameis]

more police = more taxes, more harassment, more police abuse, more criminals, more frame ups, more prisons, and ever yet more taxes. A cop on every corner just means more of the same going on.

[adzboarder]

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[lightgiver]

http://snipurl.com/nantt


Everything in balance people, everything in balance.
Jean Charles de Menezes (7 January 1978 – 22 July 2005) was a Brazilian national shot dead by police at Stockwell tube station in London, England. He was shot in the head at close range by Metropolitan Police officers ("The Met") who misidentified him as a suicide bomber about to explode a device on the London Underground.(7 January 1978 – 22 July 2005) was a Brazilian national shot dead by police at Stockwell tube station in London, England. He was SHOT IN THE HEAD AT CLOSE RANGE by Metropolitan Police officers ("The Met") who misidentified him as a suicide bomber about to explode a device on the London Underground.

Yes everything in balance :rolleyes:

Al-Qaeda = C.I.A Database,so that rules that one out,and what about when the I.R.A another dodgy organisation were operational ,did anyone think about arming the police then,I think not.

[deafbred]

Stay off the whacky tobacco

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[tracker]

You said that the Police are armed to protect themselves. You said they are never there to protect the public, just themselves and their masters.

Right, by that logic in order for them to be 'there', to protect the public, they would either have to have advance knowledge that a crime was going to be committed so they could be there or we have them on every street corner so in the event that a 'shooter' whips out his gun then there's an armed policeman right at hand.

What your comment failed to take account of the is the whole dial 999 thing.





this logic has as much truth as a micky mouse book or ---------a coppers idea of his fictitious job .

When people dial 999 , they only get a response ------if it is deemed urgent .

also -- coppers defend pedo's , all the time .
when a pedo is threatened , coppers turn up just like that , but when a person calls because a man down the road has asked their child into their home and offered them sweeties and games ---------coppers do nothing about it .

as one forum user said

coppers are only there for their masters .

A coppers job was once to protect the public by the way -------not them selves .

now they work for large businesses and the government , and coppers go out of their way to always ------assert their idiotic idea of power that they don't really have .
because most folks buy into it , they get away with stopping folks under things like the terrorist act .

NOW ------------? since I am a white caucasian , average build etc , under no circumstances EVER ___________! has a copper got -----REASONABLE suspicion , to stop and search me under that act !


why ?

well unless I look like a terrorist , act like one or even do things that are say --- weird and out of place ------there is absolutely no reasonable reason why i should be stopped and searched .
yet
every day
normal average white people get stopped ( mostly young youths ) and searched under that act .

we know hypocrisy when we see it big-al , and you sound like an X copper to me

because

its your attitude .
and to date -through out 7000 years of history , only a small amount -- maybe 5 people , have been british home grown white caucasion average build terrorists .
:cool: