Are Britons Finished As A Nation?

[december]

47pc of Asians 'would not marry a white'

Almost half of Britain's Asians would marry only someone of their own race, a survey has revealed.

The proportion, 47 per cent, is five times as high as among whites, only 9 per cent of whom say they are not prepared to wed someone from a different ethnic background.
The survey, for the BBC's Asian Network, will be closely studied in Whitehall, where ministers are keen to promote integration.

The results suggest that views on mixed-race marriages, as well as subjects such as homosexuality, are radically different.

The ICM poll found 44 per cent of young Asians think homosexuality is immoral, compared to eight per cent of young whites.

While 87 per cent of whites would consider a mixed race marriage, just 53 per cent of Asians felt the same.

Nearly half – 44 per cent – would not consider even dating a white person, and more than half ruled out dating a black person.

Some 83 per cent of white people, however, would consider going out with a black person. But the survey found the positions reversed when it came to friendship.

Young Asians were more likely than other groups to have friends from a different race.
Fewer than a third said all or most of their friends were from the same background, compared with more than two-thirds of white people.
This may reflect the make-up of the country, with few areas exclusively Asian, but it will be welcomed by Ministers as a sign of progress towards integration.
The survey, commissioned as part of an Asian Nation season, was designed to gain an insight into the mindset of UK Asians – those identifying themselves as from Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan backgrounds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=473339&in_page_id=1770

[december]

The mixed race marriages will create a NEW nation/race on your island...

[titurel]

The mixed race marriages will create a NEW nation/race on your island...
Mixed race children can be very beautiful and good looking as well!

[synergy777]

they don't tell you why, do they. its not a colour thing, its a cultural thing. its the whole family, heritage, customs. when we live here we enjoy both cultures, so we don't see the need to marry out, asian women are just as modern, educated, but still retain some of the good values. i am not saying all british girls are like that, but outside the english culture, latins, east european, asians, africans view english women as loud, promiscous, uncultured, unfaithful etc. its the antics of the ggw, ladettes, divorce rates, affairs, being slack from 16 etc, its puts people off. having a good time on the weekend and having a partner for life, requires different qualities. also its about being supportive, working together, not this high maintenance paris hilton wannabe syndrome, its all me, me, me etc. look even the elder english generation look down on the english youth today, lack of self respect, morals, etc. using the colour game is wrong, as most chicks have fake tans anyway, its a cultural thing, its hurts but its the foundation for these views. how many british men marry out to east europeans etc, even the times stated if you want a good wife, don't marry an english women.

[synergy777]

december all races are mixed apart from africans, genetics, dominant/recessive. they had this program on ch4, 100% english, most english people had east european, germanic and some asiatic genes. england was first inhabited by med/celts, then romans, then germans, french, danish, dutch.

[titurel]

Racial inter-marriage isn't a bad thing. One can't generalise about any race because not all people within a race are the same. No one race is better than another!

[synergy777]

its down to the individuals and his/her family. i was merely highlighting the cultural prejuduces that are the main reason for the mixed marriage ratios. its not colour but cultural. at the end of the day divorces, affairs, etc happen in all races, its the cultural stereotype that influences the view/perception. there are hoes of all colours, lol and there are ladies of all colours. its like me my family would not object to me marrying an asian, african, latin or celt but anglo saxon eg english or american they wouldn't be too happy. i know italians who parents have said the same thing, italian or asian, but no english women.

i think colonial history, todays wars, just paints a bad picture of people, it suggests that all anglo's are godless/atheist, imperial machines. we should recognise that there are good/bad in every race just as every person has good/bad sides, no one is perfect are they?

[titurel]

No one is perfect! We should rise above prejudices and anyone should be allowed to marry whoever they like, no matter what race they are!

[synergy777]

titurel, me too, if theer one creator, then there should no cultural laws controlling these unions. i think though, deep down most people prefer their own. whites like whites, asians like asians etc. perosnally the best mix would be asiatic/nordic, a big booty fiery blonde/red viking queen, lol, or shakira (half latin/half lebanese), lol

[titurel]

According to the stats above, given by December, most people do not prefer their own, and such a view is even racist in itself because it sets a general mood or prejudice amongst society that preferring ones own race is best.

[kblood]

Ahh.. the fear about not crossbreeding humans :)

Here in my country we are skeptic about letting other cultures "invade" on ours. Like why should we let moslims have their kind of churces here? At the same time our own churces are getting kind of dusty :o A discussion about wether or not we would need to demolish some of them is going on. Funny how economics can trigger such nice theme of discussions :)

[titurel]

Ahh.. the fear about not crossbreeding humans :)

Here in my country we are skeptic about letting other cultures "invade" on ours. Like why should we let moslims have their kind of churces here? At the same time our own churces are getting kind of dusty :o A discussion about wether or not we would need to demolish some of them is going on. Funny how economics can trigger such nice theme of discussions :)
I can understand why people should not want any church in their neighbourhood, but in respect to who one person wants to marry, no other person should be able to stand between any such couple and express their racist views.

[december]

No one is perfect!

We are not discussing it...
So, are you for mixed marriages of different races?

http://www.intermix.org.uk/images/all/film/guess_01.jpg

[december]

Ahh.. the fear about not crossbreeding humans :)

Here in my country we are skeptic about letting other cultures "invade" on ours. Like why should we let moslims have their kind of churces here?

Yes. That's right...
It seems to me that the Brits are finished culturally too.

[synergy777]

i am for mixed marriages, personally it about the two individuals, as long as they get along, everybody else should go educate their simpleton arses and evolve. personally i think people should be themselves and not clones following the herd.at the end of the day its mankinds ignorance/prejudice versus the infinitely intelligent creator of the cosmos, guess whose right?, lol

[kblood]

Yes. That's right...
It seems to me that the Brits are finished culturally too.

Well, as I see it, we keep our culture. It is just having to become mixed. I think we might all have to live closer together in the future. Being tolerant and accepting it therefore also seems even more important.

[synergy777]

explain british culture, its a relatively new culture and one that is constantly evolving due the infusion of immigrant cultures. i think cultures change from generation to generation, a culture is dependant upon history/religion/ethos. people mistake consumer culture for english culture.

see it thought english culture was fish and chips, pubs, royalty, etc. but pubs are everywhere in the world, wheres their men, wheat, theres alcohol.

[december]

i am for mixed marriages, personally it about the two individuals, as long as they get along.... lol

I see.

You are from India, synergy777. Correct?
So, what will be the name of this NEW NATION (race)?

[december]

Immigration is changing rural England life
By Ben Leapman , Sunday Telegraph

06/08/2007

Britain's face is changing. More than half of all babies born in London last year were the children of foreign-born mothers. Across England and Wales, the figure was approaching a quarter.

Recent polls, including the Ipsos Mori political monitor, last month, have put immigration at number one in the public's list of concerns. This used to be a polite way for people to tell pollsters that they were racists.

Yet race is no longer the issue: not since the arrival of more than 600,000 white Eastern Europeans after the expansion of the European Union in 2004, in what has become the biggest-ever influx of foreigners to our shores.

After a decade of broadly pro-immigration policies, Labour is on the defensive. Jacqui Smith's appointment as Home Secretary in June surprised Westminster, but she knows why Gordon Brown chose her for the job.

When he was chancellor and she was Chief Whip, an MP for a Midlands marginal seat, she submitted political strategy papers to him that singled out immigration, particularly from Eastern Europe, as a top concern of voters, and one that the Government needed to address. Brown admired her political acumen.

Yet, since her arrival in the Home Office, it has been business as usual. The arrival of EU migrant workers has continued apace, while The Sunday Telegraph reveals today that the Home Office is moving towards an amnesty that could allow hundreds of thousands of failed "legacy" asylum-seekers to settle legally in Britain.

Meanwhile, there is little appetite in the Conservative leadership to challenge Labour over the issue. David Cameron has resisted calls from the Tory Right to talk more about immigration, for fear of surrendering the political centre ground.

A poll on the ConservativeHome website, last week, suggested that 39 per cent of party supporters want more focus on immigration, while only 31 per cent were happy with the current stance. But a change of strategy at this stage would bring accusations that the leader was lurching to the Right only to shore up his own position.

The asylum amnesty will apply to some of the backlog of 450,000 cases that were identified last year, while John Reid was home secretary, as the leftovers from a decade of Whitehall incompetence.

These individuals were assessed by officials, often many years ago, and judged to be economic migrants rather than refugees. Instead of being removed from the country, they were left in limbo for years. Many, understandably, have settled, started families and found work in the black economy.

Calls for an amnesty have won the backing of church leaders and more than 80 MPs, led by Jon Cruddas, the former Labour deputy leadership contender.

If asylum-seekers were given permission to remain in Britain and find work, the campaigners say, they would go from being a burden on the economy to being an asset, paying taxes instead of claiming benefits.

This claim is disputed by the pressure group MigrationWatch, which calculates that the extra burden the regularised migrants would place on the Welfare State would outweigh the taxes they paid.

Ministers refuse to call the legacy case review an "amnesty", for fear of the political backlash that the word brings. Yet, for many failed asylum-seekers, it will look and feel like an amnesty.

That brings a disadvantage: the prospect that it will encourage further illegal immigrants to try their luck in Britain in the expectation of another amnesty a few years later.

Continued

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/05/nimm205.xml&page=1

[synergy777]

all cultures have a core of common activities but have different regional variations. as human activity dictates a group of activties fundamental to a societys/civilisations operation/existence. the only differences are from the regions way of doing things, environment, languages, technology are inluences etc.

the main differences are from history/religion. these two domians are vital in the ceremonies of life, birth, marriage, family, death, spiritual matters.the rest is just human wants/needs, eg diet, social activities etc.

we can talk about arts, sciences literature etc, but how many people today are into this stuff, does a englishman talk about blake, cromwell, kipling, brunel, shakespeare, newton, nope. does an indian talk about the vedas, rama empire, the great mathematicians, vedic history/maths/science, buddha/krishna nope. does an italian talk about da vinci, machivelli, the renaissance, romans, nope. does an african talk about cush/kemet/ethiopia, egypt, nope. does a chinese guy talk about confucius, ming dynasty, etc nope. its everybody's duty, nope privilege to learn about the cultures of the world, the education sysetem robs the person of any desire to learn more, it takes the joy from art, science, history etc.

[synergy777]

i shall name it , oops its human i think. to call us evolved apes is an insult to apes.

[december]

i shall name it , oops its human i think.

Did you understand my question?

[december]

Immigration is changing rural England life
By Ben Leapman , Sunday Telegraph

06/08/2007

Britain's face is changing. More than half of all babies born in London last year were the children of foreign-born mothers. Across England and Wales, the figure was approaching a quarter.

Recent polls, including the Ipsos Mori political monitor, last month, have put immigration at number one in the public's list of concerns. This used to be a polite way for people to tell pollsters that they were racists.

Yet race is no longer the issue: not since the arrival of more than 600,000 white Eastern Europeans after the expansion of the European Union in 2004, in what has become the biggest-ever influx of foreigners to our shores.

After a decade of broadly pro-immigration policies, Labour is on the defensive. Jacqui Smith's appointment as Home Secretary in June surprised Westminster, but she knows why Gordon Brown chose her for the job.

When he was chancellor and she was Chief Whip, an MP for a Midlands marginal seat, she submitted political strategy papers to him that singled out immigration, particularly from Eastern Europe, as a top concern of voters, and one that the Government needed to address. Brown admired her political acumen.

Yet, since her arrival in the Home Office, it has been business as usual. The arrival of EU migrant workers has continued apace, while The Sunday Telegraph reveals today that the Home Office is moving towards an amnesty that could allow hundreds of thousands of failed "legacy" asylum-seekers to settle legally in Britain.

Meanwhile, there is little appetite in the Conservative leadership to challenge Labour over the issue. David Cameron has resisted calls from the Tory Right to talk more about immigration, for fear of surrendering the political centre ground.

A poll on the ConservativeHome website, last week, suggested that 39 per cent of party supporters want more focus on immigration, while only 31 per cent were happy with the current stance. But a change of strategy at this stage would bring accusations that the leader was lurching to the Right only to shore up his own position.

The asylum amnesty will apply to some of the backlog of 450,000 cases that were identified last year, while John Reid was home secretary, as the leftovers from a decade of Whitehall incompetence.

These individuals were assessed by officials, often many years ago, and judged to be economic migrants rather than refugees. Instead of being removed from the country, they were left in limbo for years. Many, understandably, have settled, started families and found work in the black economy.

Calls for an amnesty have won the backing of church leaders and more than 80 MPs, led by Jon Cruddas, the former Labour deputy leadership contender.

If asylum-seekers were given permission to remain in Britain and find work, the campaigners say, they would go from being a burden on the economy to being an asset, paying taxes instead of claiming benefits.

This claim is disputed by the pressure group MigrationWatch, which calculates that the extra burden the regularised migrants would place on the Welfare State would outweigh the taxes they paid.

Ministers refuse to call the legacy case review an "amnesty", for fear of the political backlash that the word brings. Yet, for many failed asylum-seekers, it will look and feel like an amnesty.

That brings a disadvantage: the prospect that it will encourage further illegal immigrants to try their luck in Britain in the expectation of another amnesty a few years later.

Continued

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/05/nimm205.xml&page=1

[synergy777]

bob marley, lewis hamilton are mixed race, what do you classify these two as?

what shall i call the new race, i will tell you tommorrow, i have to go eat lamb/rice/nan, have a beer and watch the two mitchell sisters, laters.

[kooo]

47pc of Asians 'would not marry a white'

Almost half of Britain's Asians would marry only someone of their own race, a survey has revealed.

The proportion, 47 per cent, is five times as high as among whites, only 9 per cent of whom say they are not prepared to wed someone from a different ethnic background.
The survey, for the BBC's Asian Network, will be closely studied in Whitehall, where ministers are keen to promote integration.

The results suggest that views on mixed-race marriages, as well as subjects such as homosexuality, are radically different.

The ICM poll found 44 per cent of young Asians think homosexuality is immoral, compared to eight per cent of young whites.

While 87 per cent of whites would consider a mixed race marriage, just 53 per cent of Asians felt the same.

Nearly half – 44 per cent – would not consider even dating a white person, and more than half ruled out dating a black person.

Some 83 per cent of white people, however, would consider going out with a black person. But the survey found the positions reversed when it came to friendship.

Young Asians were more likely than other groups to have friends from a different race.
Fewer than a third said all or most of their friends were from the same background, compared with more than two-thirds of white people.
This may reflect the make-up of the country, with few areas exclusively Asian, but it will be welcomed by Ministers as a sign of progress towards integration.
The survey, commissioned as part of an Asian Nation season, was designed to gain an insight into the mindset of UK Asians – those identifying themselves as from Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan backgrounds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=473339&in_page_id=1770

The brainwashing hasn't worked on me, I don't believe in race mixing and would never date anyone outside my race and culture, it's the way I've been brought up and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't find foreigners attractive anyway, I'm also very choosy about the British men I date too, if I don't like where they've been before I ain't going near them.

British people have been well and truly sold down the river. Idiots.

[titurel]

We are not discussing it...
So, are you for mixed marriages of different races?

http://www.intermix.org.uk/images/all/film/guess_01.jpg
I am not for fixed marriages at all, but I am against busy bodies deciding whom others should or should not marry.

[edelweiss pirate]

Did no-one tell you the cold war is over December....

I suppose some people need to overcome their own insecurities by attacking the perceived weaknesses of others... classic vampirism.

If the UK is so shit how come everyone in the world comes here for the jobs.

The most multicultural country in the planet... The UK is a 'world' country. I am proud of the fact, London is the premier world city on planet earth.

[december]

The brainwashing hasn't worked on me, I don't believe in race mixing and would never date anyone outside my race and culture, it's the way I've been brought up and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't find foreigners attractive anyway, I'm also very choosy about the British men I date too, if I don't like where they've been before I ain't going near them.

British people have been well and truly sold down the river. Idiots.

Hello, kooo.
Well, you'd better do something if you want to save your nation...

GOOD LUCK TO YOU, BRITISH PEOPLE...

[kooo]

Hello, kooo.
Well, you'd better do something if you want to save your nation...

GOOD LUCK TO YOU, BRITISH PEOPLE...

Let me tell you, my nation is fucked. I intend to move out to the country for some wholesome English culture, I'm already looking around and may have found a place by the beach in Falmouth, Cornwall. I'll wear my green wellies, eat cream teas and live happily ever after :)

[edelweiss pirate]

It's not that the Uk is fukt, it's that it is now a MAJOR battleground between the forces of good and evil..

We are winning by the way...

I need to tell you guys that the symbols work two ways.....

The symbols speak to the good guys as well as the bad... Only thing is the good guys are on their own because the secret organisations have become corrupted by mass psychosis.

[Anders Lindman]

So, are you for mixed marriages of different races?


When people choose freely I think some will join mix marriages and most not. And that is a good thing. As I wrote before, I see mixing of races as a mixing of colours. On the computer screen the red, green and blue pixels are sometimes not blended and sometimes they are. All colors cannot be blended in a big mess, because that would destroy the colour spectrum. So it's important that we both preserve same race marriage and allow mix marriage at the same time. All people cannot join mixed marriages because that would destroy the original races, but many people can join mixed marriages as long as there are also same-race marriages.

[edelweiss pirate]

It's not about mixing races because there is only one race: The human race.

It's about mixing 'cultures'.. Much more difficult. And why not?

Who wants us all to be the same anyway?

Oh yeah, the NWO...

[december]

Let me tell you, my nation is fucked. I intend to move out to the country for some wholesome English culture, I'm already looking around and may have found a place by the beach in Falmouth, Cornwall. I'll wear my green wellies, eat cream teas and live happily ever after :)

You can hide in Falmouth today, but where will your children go tomorrow?

http://www.destinationsouthwest.co.uk/images/main/intro_pic_falmouth.jpg

[edelweiss pirate]

Wow I must go to Falmouth. Looks fantastic.

[sibe]

The Gene pool of the British is quite large December, a true full blooded brit probably doesn't even exist, therefore "The mixed race marriages will create a NEW nation/race on your island... " does not matter as we are already mixed, so what does British Mean to you? Sunday dinner lol Britons are evolving not finished.


Falmouth. does look fantastic. :)

[cycles of time]

Mixed race children can be very beautiful and good looking as well!

very true;)

[Anders Lindman]

Wow I must go to Falmouth. Looks fantastic.

Yeah, looks very nice, but you better hurry cause soon some Chinese company will no doubt buy it and build office buildings all over it!

[hew1]

december all races are mixed apart from africans, genetics, dominant/recessive. they had this program on ch4, 100% english, most english people had east european, germanic and some asiatic genes. england was first inhabited by med/celts, then romans, then germans, french, danish, dutch.

Germanic ,Dutch ,East European whatever are all still European.The continent of Europe.Are you trying to tell us that all Africans are the same ,so it doesnt matter if you are from libya or Somalia and you cross breed then you are 100% African,which I think is true,at the same level crossbreed aDanish Woman and Dutchmman and the Product is mixed race.

[cruise4]

British people have been well and truly sold down the river. Idiots.

It's not that the Uk is fukt, it's that it is now a MAJOR battleground between the forces of good and evil..


Spot on... this denationalising is what they wish everywhere in the end, so better watch out December! Oh, I forgot, you're on their side.

[synergy777]

hew i know its european, but its not "pure english " is it.england is the result of mixing, but pretends its the purest. also if you know you come from all these countries why the hatred of the french/germans etc.why if you call a english person, germans/anglo, they get pissed off for?

i couldn't care less where you come from, i just find the hatred towards your countries of origin, hypoctitical. as for not marrying out of your culture, at least people are being honest, its refreshing. i hope the same treatment is awarded to us asians who don't want to marry into english gene pool.personally england is fucked, theres an exodus of the capable, those who can afford to go.the destruction of the manufacturing base, the collapsing of the service economy which will occur after disposable incomes fall due to the property/interest/energy problems on there way. add in demographics, its a timebomb. the next 24mths will be a revelation, a complete cultureshock.

as much as i love this country, deep down i think all asians know we will never be welcomed here, the xenophobic traits are too inbred in you. personally i am lucky, i have options in india, australia and could always move to latin country, have an aunty in rome, or andalucia. personally i am disillusioned with england, its not worth the effort, flogging a dead horse etc.


personally i am ready to walk away from this conspiracy lark, its been entertaining, but its hit a boredom point, might aswell repostion myself to enjoy my future wealth expansion and powershift. although the conspiracy angle does bring in additional field of data that helps with economic descisions, a leftfield approach to money making.


gonna have to love you and leave you, its was fun, but ultimately an exercise in futility.

[ashyr]

i dont think its a good thing to mix races

[synergy777]

neither do in some regards. as we have two cultures you have one, its too hard for you guys to multitask, learn grow, evolve. meat and potatoes lol

[kooo]

i dont think its a good thing to mix races

Of course it's not a good thing, that's the agenda to break down the nations and create a one world order of oneness. People with no common allegiance to a nation have no loyalty and don't give a damn about its future. The Commies have pulled a blinder with political correctness because now most people are so dumbed down they aren't capable of thinking or speaking honestly, these people are just as much the enemy as the Commie elites. Orf with their heads.

[synergy777]

koo i do agree with you views, and at least you have the balls to speak frankly about the mindset of the english, i think its very refreshing that you say these things. many english people are scared to view their honest opinions for fear being labelled racist, but their actions, friends reveals their true views. its like when people say i am not racist etc, but have no coloured friends etc.

i think the best solution is for a western pullout of asian lands, and we asians pull out of western lands. followed by a complete restructuring of trade deals, opec, mining operations etc. all asian/latin/african countries should form into one block, reclaim their national assets from western companies. we asians could easily move away, back to our countries of origin. then the need for immigration would go, as the these countries would be booming and the immigrants would not need to travel. also with a more equitable agreement/price structure between the east and west, our vast profits would soar even more, we could reinvest in our infastructure and improve ourselves.

you guys obviously would do well, you would reclaim your country from us bloody johnny foriegners, have a smaller population etc. its the most equitable solution, as the only way forward is an exodus or civil war.

[titurel]

i dont think its a good thing to mix races
There's nothing wrong in mixing races. It's only racists who state that it's wrong.

[kooo]

koo i do agree with you views, and at least you have the balls to speak frankly about the mindset of the english, i think its very refreshing that you say these things. many english people are scared to view their honest opinions for fear being labelled racist, but their actions, friends reveals their true views. its like when people say i am not racist etc, but have no coloured friends etc.

i think the best solution is for a western pullout of asian lands, and we asians pull out of western lands. followed by a complete restructuring of trade deals, opec, mining operations etc. all asian/latin/african countries should form into one block, reclaim their national assets from western companies. we asians could easily move away, back to our countries of origin. then the need for immigration would go, as the these countries would be booming and the immigrants would not need to travel. also with a more equitable agreement/price structure between the east and west, our vast profits would soar even more, we could reinvest in our infastructure and improve ourselves.

you guys obviously would do well, you would reclaim your country from us bloody johnny foriegners, have a smaller population etc. its the most equitable solution, as the only way forward is an exodus or civil war.

Yep I agree with all of that. I think us two are the only honest ones on here, the rest are followers terrified of standing out from the crowd, they display the kind of insecurity I despise.

I was out with a group of girlfriends a few months ago and we were all sitting around a table, all six of them said they were bisexual then it came to me to give my opinion, I said I was straight, they all looked at me like I was so boring and old fashioned. Then they all said a gay man was a womans best friend, I was the only one who disagreed and I was the only one who said I wouldn't have any illegitimate children, they all said a father wasn't necessary, I'd rather be an outcast than sell my soul to the Commies. No big deal, I like being a rebel, I was born that way.

Hey Syn, regarding friends I'll be friends with absolutely anyone don't give a damn what colour they are, I just like to date my own - English!

[titurel]

I think us two are the only honest ones on here, the rest are followers terrified of standing out from the crowd, they display the kind of insecurity I despise.
If two people of different races want to live together and have children that's up to them. Only bigotted racists would stand in theior way. There is absolutely no evidence that mixed race people are any less worthy than whatever other race.

[eternal_spirit]

Racial inter-marriage isn't a bad thing. One can't generalise about any race because not all people within a race are the same. No one race is better than another!
..........

Yes true. Different races have there own qualities a mix could be good.

[kooo]

If two people of different races want to live together and have children that's up to them. Only bigotted racists would stand in theior way. There is absolutely no evidence that mixed race people are any less worthy than whatever other race.

Yeah fine you live your life in the way you want, just don't dictate how I should live my life, that's what bigots do. Who said mixed race people were less worthy? I missed that one!

[eternal_spirit]

There will always be same race marriages and mixed, enough of both for English culture and race to exist. Culture changes with technology, politics, and nature, climate changes.

[synergy777]

koo, its all good. see you one of the few that speaks plainly, not in this pc crap, this mirage of media friendly soundbites, that people spew out, in an attempt to appear all multi-cultural, modern etc. i am going to to go travelling i think, i have done my capitalism stint, are secure, made my family secure. i can't stick the boredom of the grind, work smart not hard. i think tibet, the source of the ganges is one place i want to go. i saw india on the bbc2, the india/pakistan season. the last couple of weeks, seeing it just unleashed, woke something up, even though i was born in, love england, it don't feel like "home". its not england thats the problem, its me, lol a cliche, but its true, i just want to go to india.

[kooo]

koo, its all good. see you one of the few that speaks plainly, not in this pc crap, this mirage of media friendly soundbites, that people spew out, in an attempt to appear all multi-cultural, modern etc.

Yeah I know, those kind of responses go in one ear and out the other, their brains have been scrambled. Egg heads :D

i am going to to go travelling i think, i have done my capitalism stint, are secure, made my family secure. i can't stick the boredom of the grind, work smart not hard. i think tibet, the source of the ganges is one place i want to go. i saw india on the bbc2, the india/pakistan season. the last couple of weeks, seeing it just unleashed, woke something up, even though i was born in, love england, it don't feel like "home". its not england thats the problem, its me, lol a cliche, but its true, i just want to go to india.

Yes you should go traveling it broadens the mind and it might make you realise that this is your home, as long as you have your culture around you you are at home.

[titurel]

Yeah fine you live your life in the way you want, just don't dictate how I should live my life, that's what bigots do. Who said mixed race people were less worthy? I missed that one!
I'm not dictating how you should live your life. Mixed race people are as worthy as any other race, at least you seem to be agreeing with that, but above, you said you agreed that mixed race marriages are wrong. Why are they wrong?

[kooo]

I'm not dictating how you should live your life. Mixed race people are as worthy as any other race, at least you seem to be agreeing with that, but above, you said you agreed that mixed race marriages are wrong. Why are they wrong?

If you read what I said you would know, I won't repeat myself.

[titurel]

If you read what I said you would know, I won't repeat myself.
Yes, I read what you wrote. Shame you don't have the courage to say you're a racist.

[kooo]

Yes, I read what you wrote. Shame you don't have the courage to say you're a racist.

You're an idiot if you think you can bully me into walking into a one world order of oneness :D

Blah, Blah, Blah :rolleyes:

[titurel]

You're an idiot if you think you can bully me into walking into a one world order of oneness :D

Blah, Blah, Blah :rolleyes:
NWO oneness is to do with forcing everyone to serve Lucifer. If you think racial intermixing is wrong, you're a racist.

[kooo]

NWO oneness is to do with forcing everyone to serve Lucifer. If you think racial intermixing is wrong, you're a racist.

OK, so I'm a racist because I date English people. Do you consider Jews who only marry within their own culture/religion racist as well? Do you consider black people who marry and have children with other black people racist? What about Asians or Muslims who only marry and have children within their own race/culture are they racist too?

Only egg heads would call everyone a racists for staying within their own race/culture.

[titurel]

OK, so I'm a racist because I date English people. Do you consider Jews who only marry within their own culture/religion racist as well? Do you consider black people who marry and have children with other black people racist? What about Asians or Muslims who only marry and have children within their own race/culture are they racist too?
A person can date people of the same race and not hold the view that it's wrong to marry others of a different race, but you do hold the view that it's wrong and that's what's racist about your view.

[seanx]

Yep I agree with all of that. I think us two are the only honest ones on here, the rest are followers terrified of standing out from the crowd, they display the kind of insecurity I despise.

You're not really being honest.

If you were honest, you'd admit you're both racists.

You wouldn't hear a lot of this nonsense- even on a BNP -
where it belongs.

Next time, you see a black child, an asian child, an english child, or an
Chinese's Child, LOOK INTO THEIR EYES.

REALLY LOOK.

look DEEP INTO THEIR EYES..AND YOU'LL SEE THEY ARE ALL
JUST CHILDREN.

ALL OF THEM.

Surely you can go beyond the superficial differences, their colour,
their accents, their ideas , AND SEE what's beyond it .....

Can you not look into their hearts?

All their fears, worries, desires ..and happinesses...ARE ALL THE SAME.

[kooo]

A person can date people of the same race and not hold the view that it's wrong to marry others of a different race, but you do hold the view that it's wrong and that's what's racist about your view.

Ah but they do think it's wrong, that's why they marry their own. I can tell you haven't mixed with many cultures, if you did you would know these things. You need to read page one of this thread.

The NWO is also about breaking down nations but being a New Ager you won't see this as you want a one world order of oneness. You already worship Lucifer, you just don't know it.

[titurel]

The NWO is also about breaking down nations but being a New Ager you won't see this as you want a one world order of oneness. You already worship Lucifer, you just don't know it.
I'm all for the breaking down of nations so that we all can become one, but I'm against the racists that are orchestrating it. They think they are the super race and have a right to rule the world, but they are not God! The critical issue is who's world is it?

Ah but they do think it's wrong, that's why they marry their own. I can tell you haven't mixed with many cultures, if you did you would know these things. You need to read page one of this thread.
They don't think it's wrong but like you, with your view that racial intermarriage is wrong, they are racist, just like you are racist.

[titurel]

You're not really being honest.

If you were honest, you'd admit you're both racists.

You wouldn't hear a lot of this nonsense- even on a BNP -
where it belongs.

Next time, you see a black child, an asian child, an english child, or an
Chinese's Child, LOOK INTO THEIR EYES.

REALLY LOOK.

look DEEP INTO THEIR EYES..AND YOU'LL SEE THEY ARE ALL
JUST CHILDREN.

ALL OF THEM.

Surely you can go beyond the superficial differences, their colour,
their accents, their ideas , AND SEE what's beyond it .....

Can you not look into their hearts?

All their fears, worries, desires ..and happinesses...ARE ALL THE SAME.
Good post, Sean!

[synergy777]

india is my ancestral/spiritual home, england is home for now. if i move away say to spain, then that will be home etc.at the end of day, my blood, my dna, my looks, my mind, my soul is indian. its no different to italians, celts etc living in england. i don't hate england, its just the inner urge to go, you can keep rationalising it, explaining it away etc, splinter in your mind. i might just go on 2/3 week trek, the prices are competitive and there a good range of sites. i like lhasa/tibet. tibet was india before the chinese govt moved, then the dali lama fled into india. i think going to highlands fucked me up, all those mountains, lochs, rivers, you come back to the concrete crap, and see just what you are missing.

[thirdwave]

Im not really into patriotism or being proud of being white or what ever I am... I dont really care... i judge people by their morals and mannerisms... they can be pink with green dots for all i care....

One thing that does bug me in the UK ..... when stuff like football is on... you see so many people passionate about "Their Country"... and about how great England is and how they are proud of it....

but once the footballs over they go back to allowing a bunch of muppets do what the hell they like with it.... no one makes a stand and to most, you bring up the fact that our forces are killing people in our name with no solid evidence as to why they are doing i, and you are looked down on by many... our government have broken just about every rule there is and have done what they like with it..... yet this is all ok to turn a blind eye too as we cant do anything about it to most......

then when the next world cup comes along, all the English flags come out and the emotional patriotism of the country hits sky high.... why is that same passion not standing outside the houses of parliament asking for answers!? ...If we are going to let our country bomb others, then we have to expect other people to want to come over here where the grass is greener and we have to expect others to not like us..... if we dont want that then we need to look at our "government".

Just does not sit with me.

[titurel]

Patriotism is sex gone sour.

[kooo]

I'm all for the breaking down of nations so that we all can become one

Who is the racist now then ;)


They don't think it's wrong but like you, with your view that racial intermarriage is wrong, they are racist, just like you are racist.

They do think it's wrong, you've led a sheltered life and it's plain to see you haven't mixed with many cultures, why don't you read Synergy's posts? Is he a racist as well? Or is it just English white people that are racists? You are so politically correct it's a joke. As I said before, people can inter marry, I don't care, I just don't think it's right for me, you are selective in your reading, you need to get your facts straight before you type.

[titurel]

Who is the racist now then ;)
"I'm all for the breaking down of nations so that we all can become one" is not a racist statement.

They do think it's wrong, you've led a sheltered life and it's plain to see you haven't mixed with many cultures, why don't you read Synergy's posts? Is he a racist as well? Or is it just English white people that are racists? You are so politically correct it's a joke. As I said before, people can inter marry, I don't care, I just don't think it's right for me, you are selective in your reading, you need to get your facts straight before you type.
Black people or anyone who says that it's wrong to marry a person of another race, is racist. You are a racist because that is what you believe. I accept that you say that allow others to marry other races but your personal opinion on the matter is still racist.

[kooo]

"I'm all for the breaking down of nations so that we all can become one" is not a racist statement.


Black people or anyone who says that it's wrong to marry a person of another race, is racist. You are a racist because that is what you believe. I accept that you say that allow others to marry other races but your personal opinion on the matter is still racist.

You believe nations should be broken down to create a world on oneness, that is about as racist as you can get. Hypocrite.

And you're the racist for dictating I shouldn't date English people. Bigot.

[titurel]

You believe nations should be broken down to create a world on oneness, that is about as racist as you can get. Hypocrite.
That's not exactly what I believe. I believe anyone should be allowed to marry whomever they like. If someone wants to marry a person of the same race that's fine. If someone wants to marry a person of a different race that's fine also. I'm not against the idea of a NWO but I am bothered about who is orchestrating one, and the ones that are presently orchestrating a NWO I'm dead against because they are liars.

And you're the racist for dictating I shouldn't date English people. Bigot.
No, I'm not saying you should not date people of a different race. As I've already said, anyone can date a person of the same race and not hold the view that racial intermarriage is wrong. You do hold the view that racial mixing is wrong and that marks you out as being a racist. Even if you were black, brown or red, and held that view, you would still be a racist.

[kooo]

That's not exactly what I believe. I believe anyone should be allowed to marry whomever they like. If someone wants to marry a person of the same race that's fine. If someone wants to marry a person of a different race that's fine also. I'm not against the idea of a NWO but I am bothered about who is orchestrating one, and the ones that are presently orchestrating a NWO I'm dead against because they are liars.


No, I'm not saying you should not date people of a different race. As I've already said, anyone can date a person of the same race and not hold the view that racial intermarriage is wrong. You do hold the view that racial mixing is wrong and that marks you out as being a racist. Even if you were black, brown or red, and held that view, you would still be a racist.

You say you're not against the idea of a NWO just the people who are implementing it, that doesn't make sense, which side are you on!

As I said before people can marry who they like, I just have a preference of who I would marry, you seem to have a problem with that and that makes you a racist bigot. You think I'm a racist and I think you're a racist, we've hit a dead end. No big deal just two opinions, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[titurel]

You say you're not against the idea of a NWO just the people who are implementing it, that doesn't make sense, which side are you on!
It makes perfect sense. I'm all for a world in which people are all inhabitants of earth, rather than nation states ruled over by the Reptilian bloodlines.

As I said before people can marry who they like, I just have a preference of who I would marry, you seem to have a problem with that and that makes you a racist bigot. You think I'm a racist and I think you're a racist, we've hit a dead end. No big deal just two opinions, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm not a racist because I do not hold the racist opinion that it's wrong to racially intermarry. You do hold on to the opinion that it's wrong and that's why you are expressing a racist view, and clinging onto your hypocrisy and bigotry.

[kooo]

Likewise. As I said, we've hit a dead end, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[synergy777]

third wave, its herd menatlity, its the fashion/trend, so people chip in, herd like. when its giving a shit about foreign policy, eu, the future, fuck that lets watch big brother. see i see the st georges, the ignorance is awesome. first the flag is italian/vatican, the italians know, and have a cheeky laugh, well my brothers italian mates do. although the french introduced it to england, to gain support for the crusades. then st george was palestinian/turk, eg a brown guy. people should want to learn about their culture/history before they follow it, not on some snobby intellectual level, just out of genuine interest, they don't.

also the whole england thing shows the double standards of white english against the brown english. when its a sport we are expected to follow, be loyal, after/out the sport we are terrorists/pakis etc. look at amir khan, while he is winning, the white english will love him, when he loses, like nas did, watch them reveal their true colours. amir khan is muslim, look how they treat people the same as him. we asians take the english stuff with a pinch of salt, not due to us, but the white english, fairweatherness.

heck you even turn on your own, look at stabbing beckham got from his countrymen, somethings wrong with the english, they need to address it. this is why asians/africans etc at the end of day trust their own, as we might not be as civilised, but we are loyal/stick together. this further compounded with the lack of loyalty of white chicks, coloured men don't feel at peace with lack of loyalty, to be frank.

we view you rightly or wrongly, as a unloyal/exploitive people. we know not all of you are like that, but its the stereotype.

[titurel]

Likewise. As I said, we've hit a dead end, we'll have to agree to disagree.
How you can disagree that it's not racist to state that racial intermarrying is wrong, is an indication just how much you've blinded yourself to the truth of the matter, but if that's what you want to believe, then yes, let's just agree to disagree.

[kooo]

How you can disagree that it's not racist to state that racial intermarrying is wrong, is an indication just how much you've blinded yourself to the truth of the matter, but if that's what you want to believe, then yes, let's just agree to disagree.

OK likewise.

[titurel]

OK likewise.
Likewise what? Unlike you, I do not hold onto the racist opinion that racial intermarrying is wrong. You do, let's be clear about that.

[kooo]

Likewise what? Unlike you, I do not hold onto the racist opinion that racial intermarrying is wrong. You do, let's be clear about that.

But you don't like English people marrying English people. Think about what you are saying. Now we can carry this on all day if you want or we can agree to disagree. The ball is in your court.

[titurel]

But you don't like English people marrying English people. Think about what you are saying. Now we can carry this on all day if you want or we can agree to disagree. The ball is in your court.
I do like English people marrying English people, but I DO NOT hold the opinion that it's wrong for anyone to marry anyone else, even if they are of a different race. You do hold the opinion that it's wrong for people to marry outside of their race and that's a racist opinion.

[kooo]

I do like English people marrying English people, but I DO NOT hold the opinion that it's wrong for anyone to marry anyone else, even if they are of a different race. You do hold the opinion that it's wrong for people to marry outside of their race and that's a racist opinion.

Yawn.

[albie]

How many asians in Russia? December?

But of course you lot would never breed with them. Seing as you are all racist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4969296.stm

Racist killings in Russia are "out of control", according to a report by international human rights watchdog Amnesty International.
The report into violent racism shows that at least 28 people were killed and 366 were assaulted in 2005.

This year there have already been a number of high-profile cases, including the death of a Senegalese student.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-national_sentiment_in_Russia

In February 2004 a nine-year old Tajik girl was stabbed to death in Saint Petersburg by suspected skinheads[7][8]. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rise of the Muslim population in Russia and the recently ongoing Chechen war, many Russians (including authorities) have associated Islam and Muslims with terrorism and domestic crimes. [6] [7] [8] [9]

[titurel]

Yawn.
Yes, you're a racist. Live it with it and yawn!

[kooo]

Yes, you're a racist. Live it with it and yawn!

No you are the racist because you don't like English people marrying English people, don't change what you are saying and stop twisting what I am saying.

As I keep saying, we both think each other is racist, we will have to agree to disagree.

You are seriously boring me, I will not respond to you again.

[albie]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Map-world-murder-rate.svg/800px-Map-

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at your murder rates. Bad as Mexico and South America. You're basically a third world country.

[titurel]

No you are the racist because you don't like English people marrying English people, don't change what you are saying and stop twisting what I am saying.
I do like English people marrying other English people and I've never said otherwise, so I'm not a racist, but you are a racist because you believe racial mixing is wrong.

[albie]

No you are the racist because you don't like English people marrying English people, don't change what you are saying and stop twisting what I am saying.

As I keep saying, we both think each other is racist, we will have to agree to disagree.

You are seriously boring me, I will not respond to you again.

I see. He/she sees there being a white race as bad? So breed them out of existence?

That is racist.

Being against it is racist too. what a twister.

[titurel]

I see. He/she sees there being a white race as bad? So breed them out of existence?

That is racist.
I don't see there being a white race as bad, and neither would I agree with any agenda whatsoever to breed out the white race. So no, I'm not racist in that regard, or any regard. Kooo is a racist because Kooo believes racial mixing is wrong.

[whitelightrabbit]

i have found this thread quite entertaining.

i can see the point of keeping cultures in tact. however i would like to point out what happens to purebred dogs, they get weaknesses such as bone disorders and more. i'll take a mutt over a purebred anyday. also look at japan, they were a closed nation for so long and the bulk of the nation need glasses.

in any case i think people should marry who they want to.

[cycles of time]

i dont think its a good thing to mix races

hi mr inbred


mixed race= a new race = the only thing constant is change. you cant stop nature,you cant stop physical attraction and you cant stop love

unless you're a facist.

[cycles of time]

Ahh.. the fear about not crossbreeding humans :)

Here in my country we are skeptic about letting other cultures "invade" on ours. Like why should we let moslims have their kind of churces here? At the same time our own churces are getting kind of dusty :o A discussion about wether or not we would need to demolish some of them is going on. Funny how economics can trigger such nice theme of discussions :)


if youre christian, you forcefully pushed christianity upon billions of people, africans native americans etcetc

[titurel]

Babylon the Great has been pushed far and wide and is now global in extent. Billions of people have been forced to worship the Harlot, under the false flag of missionary evangelism.

The NWO = The Tower of Babel

[titurel]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/259/britishimperialismwe3.jpg

"This Blessed Plot"

This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands, -
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.

William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616), "King Richard II", Act 2 scene 1

.

[synergy777]

cycle , are u the same cycle off the old forum, eg native/latin, if so wassup bro. as for the inbred jokes, they see as purity, not inbreeding, lol.

[titurel]

as for the inbred jokes, they see as purity, not inbreeding, lol.
That doesn't make sense...

[synergy777]

they did rome's work, not there work, remember that. they have no religion, rome gave them religion. they so brainwashed they think being born in a western country, alone makes them automatic christians, thats arrogance beyond measure. ask an average anglo, what religion they are, they will say, i don't go to church but i guess i am christian, how old are you, mate, 2. lol

they think white/western = automatic christian.

the only time they will go to chrurch is marriage,death. many are not baptised, many don't know/haven't even read the bible, but due to presents, christmas day, they are christian, its just another product. they really are a lost sorry lot.

[titurel]

they did rome's work, not there work, remember that. they have no religion, rome gave them religion. they so brainwashed they think being born in a western country, alone makes them automatic christians, thats arrogance beyond measure. ask an average anglo, what religion they are, they will say, i don't go to church but i guess i am christian, how old are you, mate, 2. lol

they think white/western = automatic christian.

the only time they will go to chrurch is marriage,death. many are not baptised, many don't know/haven't even read the bible, but due to presents, christmas day, they are christian, its just another product. they really are a lost sorry lot.
Those you refer to are all, in fact, not in a Christian institution, they are all members of Babylon the Great.

[synergy777]

i don't want to another hitler eugenics thread, but look at the white tiger, in non confrontial way, hopefully it will make sense. ask yourself what happens if pedigree/purity = less genetic diversity

Wright’s Coefficient. The basis of this is as follows. Inbreeding problems are caused by a lack genetic variety.

i got love for all, but get attacked when the i tell them i see no emperors clothes.

[synergy777]

titurel, you try telling that mate, i could take the piss out them, i usually do. they just don't get it.

[titurel]

i don't want to another hitler eugenics thread, but look at the white tiger, in non confrontial way, hopefully it will make sense. ask yourself what happens if pedigree/purity = less genetic diversity

Wright’s Coefficient. The basis of this is as follows. Inbreeding problems are caused by a lack genetic variety.

i got love for all, but get attacked when the i tell them i see no emperors clothes.
Who are you referring to?

[titurel]

titurel, you try telling that mate, i could take the piss out them, i usually do. they just don't get it.
Yes, the masses are drowning in negative spiritual energy that's spewing out of the Dragon's mouth, used to manipulate the masses.

[turquoisefyre]

my 2 penneth:

i think "they" are kicking the ass out of mixing races thing. "they" are fucking with alot of people's tribal/survival instincs by wanting to break cultures, fading lines etc.

i have no problem with two people from different races mixing, imo that in the minority anyway. but i'm no fool in seeing "they" are loving it "promoting" mainstreamly bi-racial this-that-and the other bullshit.

remember what has been said about statistics, especially mainstream, it's there to SHAPE opinions.

[titurel]

i have no problem with two people from different races mixing,
Then you are not a racist.

(edited comment after realising you said you are not against two people marrying from different races)

[turquoisefyre]

Then you too are a racist.


explain...

[titurel]

explain...
I misunderstood your comment. I didn't see the "no" word. I shall reply to your original post afresh.

[whitelightrabbit]

my 2 penneth:

i think "they" are kicking the ass out of mixing races thing. "they" are fucking with alot of people's tribal/survival instincs by wanting to break cultures, fading lines etc.

i have no problem with two people from different races mixing, imo that in the minority anyway. but i'm no fool in seeing "they" are loving it "promoting" mainstreamly bi-racial this-that-and the other bullshit.

remember what has been said about statistics, especially mainstream, it's there to SHAPE opinions.

yeah statistics are bullshit.

[titurel]

my 2 penneth:

i think "they" are kicking the ass out of mixing races thing. "they" are fucking with alot of people's tribal/survival instincs by wanting to break cultures, fading lines etc.

i have no problem with two people from different races mixing, imo that in the minority anyway. but i'm no fool in seeing "they" are loving it "promoting" mainstreamly bi-racial this-that-and the other bullshit.

remember what has been said about statistics, especially mainstream, it's there to SHAPE opinions.
People should be allowed to fall in love without being manipulated into whom they shold fall in love with.

[synergy777]

i will leave this discussion. all i will add is that anything forced or supported by cultural prejudice/elite doctrines is wrong. it should be down to the two people involved thats it.

[turquoisefyre]

I misunderstood your comment. I didn't see the "not" word. I shall reply to your original post afresh.


meh, there's still too many sheeple out there for me to get into a racial debate. i stick with the notion that "bi-racialness-whatever" is being used as a NWO weapon, which is sad to see.

[titurel]

meh, there's still too many sheeple out there for me to get into a racial debate. i stick with the notion that "bi-racialness-whatever" is being used as a NWO weapon, which is sad to see.
As I wrote above, people should be allowed to fall in love without being manipulated into whom they shold fall in love with.

[turquoisefyre]

As I wrote above, people should be allowed to fall in love without being manipulated into whom they shold fall in love with.

hear, hear.

yeah, i'll highlight the manipulated part in your post.

who can remember that part in Braveheart where that King said..."If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out..."

no disrespect to anyone who is bi-racial. it just looks like old (elitist) habits die hard..

[titurel]

hear, hear.

yeah, i'll highlight the manipulated part in your post.

who can remember that part in Braveheart where that King said..."If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out..."

no disrespect to anyone who is bi-racial. it just looks like old (elitist) habits die hard..
Exactly, people should be free to marry whomever they want, and they will do regardless of racists who say they shouldn't.

[thedame]

So mixing creeds and races makes us one vast lump which is easily ruled/brainwashed by the NWO? I don't see how this logic follows. Interbreeding doesn't and wouldn't lead to the breakdown of national barriers... people become integrated and are well, usually, assimilated into the dominant culture. The different backgrounds and cultures they bring to the dominant culture merely adds to it and creates 'new' facets. The traditional British curry anyone?

And when the term 'English' is applied, what does this mean, Kooo? Would you date a black English person? Someone who's Great Grandparents were brought to the country to work? What about a Scottish person? Or what about someone from Cornwall who doesn't consider themselves English at all? I'd also like a better definition of 'English.' Do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Someone of Norman heritage? Would 'English' only apply to people who's ancestors were the indigenous peoples of the island before any conquests took place? As you can see, the term 'English' means very different things depending on the context.

My point is it's a very slipperly slope when these terms are used. I'm not being PC here, just logical. The fact is cultures have integrated globally and will continue to do so as information and communication systems and means improve and expand. Has anyone made the point that many historical conflicts have been the result of nationalism as well as religious dogma? What if the very notion of 'nation' and subjects belonging to such a thing is merely a NWO/illuminati mechanism to make sure people become slavish and subservient to an idea. Think about it...... 'I plead alliegence to the flag.. blah blah.. one nation under God...'

What do you think?

[cycles of time]

food is culture ,correct?

food is a hallmark of culture,more then clothes, or even language,because food is a combination of humanity and the land they inhabited(plants and animals)

look at the major cities in the world that are melting pots.

look around,what do you see?

every kind of food imaginable. go into any restaurant. what do you see and hear and smell? the culture of that land and those people.

correct? does culture die off? do people forget where they came from or where they are going?

dig deeper.


tired of the same old food?

how about some fusion cuisine? puerto rican mixed with asian? mexican mixed with italian? how does it taste? amazing!

look around. what do you see? people mixing races and ethnicities.

how do those people look? beautiful. what are their personalities like? beautiful. are they a new race? most definitely?

should that be stopped?

never.

listen. what do you hear? new forms of music? what is it? music mixing?


hiphop mixed with asian music. beautiful (dj krush)

i could go on and on, but it usually falls on deaf ears,

regardless,thats why people want to destroy places like NYC. too much beauty to handle.

[cycles of time]

the problem isnt racial mixing

the problem is people who want to still live in the past, in the dark ages, who still want english imperialism to reign surpreme

[cycles of time]

in fact ,look at puerto rican culture

a mixture of taino indian,african,european,asian,celtic

such a beautiful and proud culture and people. they are their own people right?

[kblood]

the problem isnt racial mixing

the problem is people who want to still live in the past, in the dark ages, who still want english imperialism to reign surpreme

I think it is mostly because we all fear change. We all (most I know anyway) have good memories of our past, and therefore dont want if all to change too much.

[cycles of time]

look at spain in eurupe. one of the most beautiful countries and cultures.

several sites in spain are listed in the top 10 heritage sites in the world


what is spanish culture?

its a mixture of arabic,roman,celtic,gypsy,moorish,north african who knows what else.

thats what spanish signifies.


what is the spanish language? its a mixture of arabic and latin.

sure, spain is responsible for much suffering in the world, but that happens whenever a ruler reigns in to much power, and that can only be blamed on the people of the country who do not step up to the government, or who join it in GREED.

and GREED and GLUTTONY exists regardless of culture or ethnicity

[cycles of time]

in NYC ,alot of people talk in Spanglish, or spanish and english mixed. theres also alot of people who have a problem with it, hate it ,and think it should be outlawed.

but the truth it, not only it is a new beginning in terms of language and culture, but its also a new begininng in terms of people,since all types of people speak spanish and all types of people speak english.and those who speak spanish already speak a spanish that is somewhat mixed with the native tounges of the americas,depending on what part of the americas that person is from.that is why people in spain consider spanish in the americas to be a mutilated and unofficial version of the spanish language,but to us it IS spanish,

i say,let it be, it will eventually become its own official language,no matter how many people want it stopped to the point they want to cut out tounges.

[cycles of time]

I think it is mostly because we all fear change. We all (most I know anyway) have good memories of our past, and therefore dont want if all to change too much.

i have good memories of my past, and most of it involves change.

moving to a new neighborhood,new friends, new house, new schools,new experiences.

[cheeb]

Some great British/English cultural icons,
Think food,curry and chips,pizzas,chinkys,
Music:
Raggae'Blues ,bhangra,
Sport:
Sean Wright Phillips
Amir Khan,
Ashley Cole,
Comedy:
Richard Ayode,
Omid Djalili,
Sanjeev Bhaskar,
Lenny Henry-nah perhaps not!!

And thats just some of the blokes.
All icons and role models to English people,
regardless of race

I could go on,politics,fashion, news etc,
but cant be bothered

Fucking racists
with their pigments of the imagination,

Some of the contributers on here are so narrow minded,
sometimes, I have to look at the date,
To make sure it is the new millenium,

Are Britons finished as a nation?
Nah!We have only just started!

[cruise4]

If we dispersed the entire population of India, for example, into the world at large and then moved all the Germans to India in short order, I reckon you are entitled to call that a problem without bringing up a race/rascist argument.

No-one sensibly minds mixing with other cultures. Its a good thing. But there is a 'level' involved. The NWO are hard at work pic 'n' mixing races. Its not a natural thing thats occurring. This is the issue.

[cycles of time]

Its not a natural thing thats occurring. This is the issue.


to much paranoia is whats occuring

[titurel]

What about Ska? That was a good period in Britian in the late seventies and early eighties, but the racists ruined the scene. That's why The Specials produced "Ghost Town" on the wonderful 2 Tone label...

http://www.archinect.com/images/uploads/050814-TheSpecials03.jpg

[titurel]

If we dispersed the entire population of India, for example, into the world at large and then moved all the Germans to India in short order, I reckon you are entitled to call that a problem without bringing up a race/rascist argument.

No-one sensibly minds mixing with other cultures. Its a good thing. But there is a 'level' involved. The NWO are hard at work pic 'n' mixing races. Its not a natural thing thats occurring. This is the issue.
But love is natural and let no man tear asunder what two people are in love with each other.

[titurel]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2046/specialssinglesukfrontkd4.jpg

[synergy777]

titurel watch teh soul britannia stuff on bbc2, it shows the whole uk music scene.

[titurel]

titurel watch teh soul britannia stuff on bbc2, it shows the whole uk music scene.
Thanks but when is that on?

[titurel]

I've just remembered, I booted my TV out because it's the mind control box, so I can't watch TV! Do you have a torrent file d/l link instead?

[synergy777]

nah, check the

soul britannia - Google Search

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/soulbritannia/

[titurel]

Thanks, I've got a good array of "The Specials" videos anyway, on my HD.

[synergy777]

ghost town is my fave track

[titurel]

Ghost Town was released because the skinhead music scene was gettin ruined by racists. The Electric Ballroom in Camden Town. So the Specials released that song. then the Oi! thing kicked off. Some good songs from Oi! but not the racist ones.

MaDnesS... they call it MADnesS!


They call it GLADNESS!

[synergy777]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9281/soulbritannia300jd5.jpg

[titurel]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9281/soulbritannia300jd5.jpg
LOL!

[synergy777]

should ruffle a few feathers, lol

[peachped]

People should be allowed to fall in love without being manipulated into whom they shold fall in love with.

By manipulation do you mean commercials like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dntfod-Cbo

[titurel]

By manipulation do you mean commercials like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dntfod-Cbo
LOL!

Very funny!

[danucrom]

ghost town is my fave track

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=28TeUbYvXS0

classic

[thetonic]

Who dug this ole heap out ?... A december post:D Im gonna go look for another thanks....:D

edit> that track is worth pulling out a december thread for sure

[paganus]

britain never existed as a nation.its a union of three nations;england,wales and scotland.with n.ireland it forms the u.k. i never refer to myself as british.

[hagbard_celine]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=28TeUbYvXS0

classic

I'm glad I'm not the only one old enough to remember that one!:D

[danucrom]

I'm glad I'm not the only one old enough to remember that one!:D


I am 24;). So it is a little before my time.. I am into music in a big way and know a good tune when I hear one;).

[octopusrex]

Bloody Hells they are!

They need King Arthur.

[walsingham]

I don't like the fact that we are being invaded by Eastern Europeans and generally anyone who doesn't have a common link to Britain.

On the otherside of the coin, I welcome more commonwealth migration into our lands, We have 2 million Muslims currently, Why not invite 2 million Sikhs to balance it out. I do believe we should retain our Christian Protestant Culture as being the main but something need to be done with the minority. The Muslims are becoming targets as people do see them as becoming a strong cultural identity in Britain, People do fear them, And this is causing major unrest in every single city, town and village at least in England. What better way to reduce the "competition" because thats what is it, By injecting another large group of cultural peoples. We do need to install a theory of divide and rule between our minority groups to succeed in the future of our country.

I do believe in Britain being a place for all cultures and faiths, But it does need to be limited, Britain, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have their own customs, This is British Culture and i'll always want this to remind, Be it Flower of Scotland or Land of my Fathers, I'll sing it with pride, Yet Britain could be a world center and a beacon to the world once again, Promoting equality, togetherness and community, Bringing together the many peoples we have in our commonwealth.

I personally hate the idea of "european nationalism" and the growth of the European Union, To me, An Englishman i hate the idea of being associated with Germany, Italy, Spain and all the other foes we've had. I have more in common with a guy in Malaysia than i do with someone in Sweden or Romania, Those peoples fought for my Freedom, Side by Side alongside my Forefathers in a bitter battle to disable evil tyrants. The belief that we need the EU is utterly insane, That Europe gave the world its culture! That Europe is the driving force in justice and law! Lies, Lies, Lies, Britain was! Not Europe.

I'd rather we would form soME kind of political and economic entity of the commonwealth.

http://www.toweringflat.com/Commonwealth_of_Nations.png
And they tell us, We need the European Union :eek:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7446/13360817qy4.png

[synergy777]

walsingham spot on. although the influx of european migrants is due to the eu/westminister. this why opting out of the eu is a must, to reclaim some sovereignity, and control.

http://www.eutruth.org.uk/

this site tells how the monarchy and the government have sold us out, they both should be tried for treason.

i am sikh and my ancestors/grandad fought for the english in the war.