British soldiers 'tortured and murdered 20 Iraqis, [Archive]

cpfc12

15-07-2009, 11:29 AM

British soldiers tortured and murdered up to 20 Iraqis in cold blood, the High Court was told yesterday.

It happened after a three-hour gun battle at an Army checkpoint near Basra, a lawyer claimed.
Rabinder Singh said a group of local men were taken prisoner and transported to an Army camp where they were beaten with a rusty tent pole, punched, slammed against walls, denied water, blasted with loud music and forced to strip naked in the presence of a woman – a humiliation for Muslim men.
Camp Abu Naji: MP Ann Clwyd at the base where abuse allegedly happened
The next day, he said, only nine were still alive – and 20 corpses were returned to their families. One was teenager Hamid Al-Sweady.

The Army claims the men all died in the initial gun battle, but Hamid's uncle Khuder Al-Sweady and five survivors of the incident yesterday began a court battle in London to win an independent inquiry.

The clash in May 2004 came after insurgents launched a heavy attack on a checkpoint known as Danny Boy in Al Majar-al-Kabir – the town north of Basra where six military policeman had been murdered the previous year.

According to Army accounts, the soldiers were heavily outnumbered but fought back heroically, mounting a bayonet charge at one point, until the attackers were defeated. The Army says only nine Iraqis were taken away alive for questioning.

But Mr Singh said that when the shooting was over, the British troops took bloody revenge. He said: 'It is the claimants' case that at least some of those captured were tortured and killed by British troops between 14 and 15 May 2004, and that there has been no effective investigation into what happened to them in that 24-hour period.

'This constitutes a substantive and procedural breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.'

He added: 'There is a lot of evidence from soldiers at the battlefield that there were more than nine that were taken alive.

'Many of the bodies of the Iraqis returned on 15 May 2004 were severely disfigured and some appeared to show marks of torture and mutilation.'

The Ministry of Defence says a tenmonth Royal Military Police investigation showed the 20 dead were killed in the initial battle. The corpses were taken to be identified before being returned to their families, with no evidence of torture. The hearing continues

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1172688/British-soldiers-tortured-murdered-20-Iraqis-covered-firefight-claim.html

cpfc12

15-07-2009, 11:30 AM

Douby anyone would care because its a couple months old and we know how everyone in the u.k precieves iraqis as being subhuman ^^

brainfreeze

15-07-2009, 11:42 AM

Douby anyone would care because its a couple months old and we know how everyone in the u.k precieves iraqis as being subhuman ^^

A flash generalisation like this is likely to get some backs up. Perhaps that is the intent?

Maybe it's not so much about not caring but more to do with compassion fatique. How many more horrors can we be made aware of with no way to influence change before we exhaust all our emotional stability?

Besides, your post has already set up an anti subhuman UK agenda, so why should anyone bother responding, other than to annoy themselves, like I've just done to myself?

Yawn

Oh lord I'm weary, excuse me, it's back to life where my influence does count and my compassion is less subhuman but recognised/appreciated/welcomed/understood :)

eternal_spirit

15-07-2009, 12:11 PM

The corpses were taken to be identified before being returned to their families, with no evidence of torture. The hearing continues:rolleyes:

Rabinder Singh said a group of local men were taken prisoner and transported to an Army camp where they were beaten And why trust this man's word.

cpfc12

15-07-2009, 04:11 PM

A flash generalisation like this is likely to get some backs up. Perhaps that is the intent?

Maybe it's not so much about not caring but more to do with compassion fatique. How many more horrors can we be made aware of with no way to influence change before we exhaust all our emotional stability?

Besides, your post has already set up an anti subhuman UK agenda, so why should anyone bother responding, other than to annoy themselves, like I've just done to myself?

Yawn

Oh lord I'm weary, excuse me, it's back to life where my influence does count and my compassion is less subhuman but recognised/appreciated/welcomed/understood :)

I am sorry, at the moment this is something personal i have to conquer, can't give in to hate and fear, but its very easy to do, when you can so clearly see injustice and everyone else seems blind to it. I believe most of the briitsh public don't want to admit the truth of what we are doing out there, and want to believe the propaganda, because it makes you question yourself, nobody wants to be the german civillian in the 30's/40's and thats what it feels like.

nofuture

16-07-2009, 12:46 PM

I can believe it.

mr_pixie

01-08-2009, 04:13 AM

Yeah, they do a lot of killing our good old troops they do.

godgoo

01-08-2009, 04:19 AM

mr_pixie

01-08-2009, 06:25 AM

If this is true and/or even proven to be. It would be one act of barbarism that would hated in this country by many. But I can't help thinking that this act may be false? I can't how/why british troops would act in this manner? I would class this as a rare incident and that these people have got combat syndrome or something. Maybe they should be discharged?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/23/military.iraq

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-soldiers-accused-of-sickening-sex-assault-on-iraqi-boy-14-866482.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19248.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1172688/British-soldiers-tortured-murdered-20-Iraqis-covered-firefight-claim.html

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=British+soldiers+accused

It doesnt take much diging and reading between the lines. What makes you think our troops are exrta special??? Its just that the British army have an image that there the best and there whiter than white. They have been brainwashed to beleive that all Musliums are Terrorists. you can thank the main stream media for this and for given people a false idea of what war is and what are taxes are used for.

decim

01-08-2009, 05:55 PM

cpfc12

01-08-2009, 08:00 PM

cpfc12

01-08-2009, 08:02 PM

I wonder who finances these High Court cases.
Costs beyond the realms of mere mortals.

purdy vs UK, iraqis vs UK, Change agent vs UK.

The OP is an antagonistic foray, emanating from the 3rd sector forum.

In response to some other topic about you not believing the footage was real, as soldiers weren't allowed to have cameras while on operation, well if you look on youtube you can see plenty of "home videos" soldiers make to send back to people back at home or just for the lolz.

The most shocking thing about this whole case is how people switch off, and make comments like "the british army does not murder" i guess denial is the best form of defence o.0
I am sure if it was another group of people apart from the british army everyone would be up in arms and this topic would make 7 paegs or something.

marpat

01-08-2009, 10:20 PM

I notice how nobody notices that 6 military police were murdered there a year before after surrendering their weapons to prevent a bloodbath.

So you have an accusation by the enemy which was not upheld. Looks like the OP will settle for nothing less than the British troops being imprisoned for murder although he was not at any hearing not saw any actual evidence for himself.

decim

01-08-2009, 10:21 PM

You Lie.
Show me where I said that.

What I did question, is WHY the soldiers are allowed cameras & access to the internet to upload images & video.
It is an obvious security risk for obvious reasons, irregardless of iraq, iraqis or belgians for that matter.

As for your sanctimonious comment about people 'switching off', I did not start the war in iraq or elsewhere, I cannot stop the war in iraq or elsewhere, I am not responsible for all the ills of the world.

You a suffering from MSM global guilt, your guilt has been globalised.
Make a video of your empathy & send it to messrs blair & co.

In response to some other topic about you not believing the footage was real, as soldiers weren't allowed to have cameras while on operation, well if you look on youtube you can see plenty of "home videos" soldiers make to send back to people back at home or just for the lolz.

The most shocking thing about this whole case is how people switch off, and make comments like "the british army does not murder" i guess denial is the best form of defence o.0
I am sure if it was another group of people apart from the british army everyone would be up in arms and this topic would make 7 paegs or something.

adbasque

02-08-2009, 09:26 AM

marpat

02-08-2009, 10:13 AM

My question is why is it so difficult for people to believe that a soldier is unable of atrocities?
Soldier are first trained to kill, we know a soldier will obey orders, we know soldiers are fed drugs, mixed in their drinks, food, soldiers undergo psychological assessments on regular basis.

There's no such thing as a British or Chinese soldier, a soldier is a human being who's exposed to all sorts of things, the PTB can make a monster out of a soldier.

Don't think of a soldier as the good guy you used to know down the road, they can change his behaviour with chemicals.

Americans didn't believe that their troops caused atrocities in Viet nam back in the 60s/70s, but later on it was revealed that all the rumours turned out to be true, and even in some cases where some soldiers couldn't sleep at night they had to come forward and confess of what they have witnessed or got involved in.

So what makes a British soldier so special?
Yes there's an agenda to distance us from our soldiers and police force nobody can deny that.

So during a conflict it's more likely that torture will take place.
I guess we all need to grow up and face the truth and stop thinking of ourselves as special human beings.

They are not incapable of doing wrong but the fact is that they have so many legal limitations, which are often exploited by a clever enemy. They get caught doing something wrong then its off to jail.

Why compare British troops with that of the US during vietnam? different armies, different training, different conflict.

You claim they are fed drugs but have you any actual proof, and I dont mean that some conspiracy theorist felt this or had a hunch. Drugs testing goes on quite a lot and it carries severe consequences for those caught.

We know that the muslims fighters use copius amounts of drugs, that they will torture and treat people in the most inhumane way, that they are happy to murder people on video, that they go religious indoctrination and brain washing.

Come on then, lets have it. You claim they are fed drugs and chemcials to control their behaviour. Give you evidence of this. I doubt they undergo psychological evaluation often. For those who have combat stress councilling will be offered but that is another matter.

adbasque

02-08-2009, 10:27 AM

They are not incapable of doing wrong but the fact is that they have so many legal limitations, which are often exploited by a clever enemy. They get caught doing something wrong then its off to jail.

Why compare British troops with that of the US during vietnam? different armies, different training, different conflict.

You claim they are fed drugs but have you any actual proof, and I dont mean that some conspiracy theorist felt this or had a hunch. Drugs testing goes on quite a lot and it carries severe consequences for those caught.

We know that the muslims fighters use copius amounts of drugs, that they will torture and treat people in the most inhumane way, that they are happy to murder people on video, that they go religious indoctrination and brain washing.

Come on then, lets have it. You claim they are fed drugs and chemcials to control their behaviour. Give you evidence of this. I doubt they undergo psychological evaluation often. For those who have combat stress councilling will be offered but that is another matter.

Oh I see your type of people.
Those killing on videos are Muslims right? because the BBC showed them to you, so that's your proof?
And because I talk about the British troops I have to provide evidence, a confession perhaps?
So when you accuse Muslims you don't need any evidence, but when our British troops are in the wrong we need stacks of evidence or you dismiss it?

Oh very impartial view.
You fail to answer my first question, what makes you think that our troops are so special??

adbasque

02-08-2009, 10:57 AM

They are not incapable of doing wrong but the fact is that they have so many legal limitations, which are often exploited by a clever enemy. They get caught doing something wrong then its off to jail.

Who said anything about legality?
Are you denying the tortures that took place then?
Torture on the surface is not allowed but that doesn't stop them torturing prisoners, are you denying it?

Why compare British troops with that of the US during vietnam? different armies, different training, different conflict.
Because maybe I am a little different than you, and I look at the big picture, I am not limitting my view to what I want to hear, I take it on the chin, and the truth is often not nice to hear, but it still needs to come out, regardless.

For me, any army today is controlled by the PTB one way or the other, a war is war there's no such stupid thing as a different conflict, war is ugly no matter when, the point I was making a soldier is a soldier and, the PTB controlls the government that controlls your troops. is this enough?

You claim they are fed drugs but have you any actual proof, and I dont mean that some conspiracy theorist felt this or had a hunch. Drugs testing goes on quite a lot and it carries severe consequences for those caught.

Nobody could prove the American soldiers were fed drugs mixed in their food and drinks until some people from inside came forward, how do you expect me to provide you with any proof.
Can you give me a proof that a specific group is doing behind closed doors?
You know this is ridiculous but you tried to bluff me with it.

We know that the muslims fighters use copius amounts of drugs, that they will torture and treat people in the most inhumane way, that they are happy to murder people on video, that they go religious indoctrination and brain washing.
Oh you know, how did you know exactly?
Where did you know that, can you provide me with evidence?
or is it enough for you to say "We" know takes any doubt out of the equation?
You're not being impartial, you are still brainwashed by the media and try and push your own delusional truth, sorry.

Come on then, lets have it. You claim they are fed drugs and chemcials to control their behaviour. Give you evidence of this. I doubt they undergo psychological evaluation often. For those who have combat stress councilling will be offered but that is another matter.

I did not say psychological evaluation, I said psychological assessment, there's a huge difference between the two terms.

Again I can ask a lot of things what we all believe but nobody can provide a condemning evidence, about the PTB, that doesn't mean it's not true, but it means it's sometime impossible to tell what goes on behind closed doors unless an insider comes forward and spills the beans to the general public.

So you asking me to provide evidence is ridiculous.
If I had evidence it means most people from the government to the top Military officials will be in prison right now.

So please don't ask useless questions.

Typical of people like you, when it's the others you don't hesitate to point a finger and accuse them of every name under the sun, but when the finger is pointing at us, you need the evidence, you need to investigate, you need this and that.
Very hypocritical and double standard attitude.

marpat

02-08-2009, 01:01 PM

Oh I see your type of people.
Those killing on videos are Muslims right? because the BBC showed them to you, so that's your proof?
And because I talk about the British troops I have to provide evidence, a confession perhaps?
So when you accuse Muslims you don't need any evidence, but when our British troops are in the wrong we need stacks of evidence or you dismiss it?

Oh very impartial view.
You fail to answer my first question, what makes you think that our troops are so special??

What you are doing is judging people as guilty without knowing the full facts. There is plenty of evidence of muslim atrocities. how often do they blow markets up with suicide bombers, how often to they attack rival mosques, or use mosques for cover after they have committed attacks. Oh, and they have cut peoples head off on video which was then posted in the internet. Not only that but it was muslim forces that attacked the kurds with chemical weapons.

marpat

02-08-2009, 01:04 PM

Nobody could prove the American soldiers were fed drugs mixed in their food and drinks until some people from inside came forward, how do you expect me to provide you with any proof.

So you asking me to provide evidence is ridiculous.
If I had evidence it means most people from the government to the top Military officials will be in prison right now.

.

Looks like you dont have much evidence then, neither the means to obtain any real insight into what is going on. I guess this means you wish those soldiers to be found guilty by default. You have made claims then admitted you dont know if its true or not.

I guess the fact that you are a muslim makes you a totally unbiased person as well.:rolleyes:

boots

02-08-2009, 01:16 PM

Anyone who thinks the "british" troops are nothing like the American ones is a fucking idiot.

Oh where british we dont do that. FUCK OFF. Get you head out of your arses.

marpat

02-08-2009, 01:19 PM

Anyone who thinks the "british" troops are nothing like the American ones is a fucking idiot.

Oh where british we dont do that. FUCK OFF. Get you head out of your arses.

Bit of an expert then or are you talking with you head up your arse? have you met and British and US service personnel?

Again you are typical of those who want troops found guilty regardless of whether a crime has been committed or not. You are motivated by your hatred of them.

keystone

02-08-2009, 01:21 PM

marpat

02-08-2009, 01:28 PM

People who get brutalised tend towards brutalisation themselves. You can't tell me that watching someone getting their leg and or head blown off doesn't desensitise the individual seeing it happen. Its not necessarily their individual faults.

This affects ALL soldiers irrespective of country of allegiance.

Why are so many coming back with PTSD?

Cheers

This is true. I dont know if it desensitises them as such or if they just repress the emotion, which then pops up at a later date and causes health problems.

The thing is that if the troops had just been fighting with a group of armed men, maybe taken some casualties then you would expect them to be robust with any captured enemy if only to control and detain them. I would not like to see the fate of a British soldier captured by the enemy though. I am sure the insurgents could teach people a lesson in abuse and torture, they have had many years experience of it against their own people in many cases.

boots

02-08-2009, 01:28 PM

Bit of an expert then or are you talking with you head up your arse? have you met and British and US service personnel?

Again you are typical of those who want troops found guilty regardless of whether a crime has been committed or not. You are motivated by your hatred of them.

I think keystone put it best.

Dont hate them ALL solders are trained to kill. What dont you understand.

marpat

02-08-2009, 01:29 PM

I think keystone put it best.

Dont hate them ALL solders are trained to kill. What dont you understand.

And many civilians kill without any training

boots

02-08-2009, 01:31 PM

This is true. I dont know if it desensitises them as such or if they just repress the emotion, which then pops up at a later date and causes health problems.

The thing is that if the troops had just been fighting with a group of armed men, maybe taken some casualties then you would expect them to be robust with any captured enemy if only to control and detain them. I would not like to see the fate of a British soldier captured by the enemy though. I am sure the insurgents could teach people a lesson in abuse and torture, they have had many years experience of it against their own people in many cases.

God, you are thick.

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marpat

02-08-2009, 01:36 PM

God, you are thick.

.

And you are a cock

boots

02-08-2009, 01:38 PM

And many civilians kill without any training

Civilians 6 billion... Troops aprox 3 million. How many percentage wise kill?

Your quote is pretty senseless actually.

marpat

02-08-2009, 01:42 PM

Civilians 6 billion... Troops aprox 3 million. How many percentage wise kill?

Your quote is pretty senseless actually.

It is factual. Many of those civilians are armed militias and gangs. The enemy insurgents are civilians are they not? they dont wear the uniform or insignia of an army or police force.

Its OK though, you think they are guilty no matter what has happened. I expect nothing else in here.

boots

02-08-2009, 01:52 PM

It is factual. Many of those civilians are armed militias and gangs. The enemy insurgents are civilians are they not? they dont wear the uniform or insignia of an army or police force.

Its OK though, you think they are guilty no matter what has happened. I expect nothing else in here.

Whats that got to do with the price off fish.

British soldier's killed 20 Iraqi's after they tortured them. How civil. NOT.

The brit were bloodthirsty for revenge.

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:00 PM

Whats that got to do with the price off fish.

British soldier's killed 20 Iraqi's after they tortured them. How civil. NOT.

The brit were bloodthirsty for revenge.

An accusation and an excuse. Thats all you have here. I suppose it matters not that a year before 6 military policemen surrendered their weapons to an armed group in this very place but instead of being shown any mercy they were killed in cold blood. No sympathy for those people though eh?

The facts is that british troops fight under very rigid legal guidelines and know they can be jailed for stepping outside of those limits. Their enemies have no rules.

Just because accusations are made it does not mean that they are true. Were the bodies not given back and showed no evidence of torture?

boots

02-08-2009, 02:10 PM

An accusation and an excuse. Thats all you have here. I suppose it matters not that a year before 6 military policemen surrendered their weapons to an armed group in this very place but instead of being shown any mercy they were killed in cold blood. No sympathy for those people though eh?

The facts is that british troops fight under very rigid legal guidelines and know they can be jailed for stepping outside of those limits. Their enemies have no rules.

Just because accusations are made it does not mean that they are true. Were the bodies not given back and showed no evidence of torture?

Oh how nice. What a load of shit. as if they they would follow these rule to the letter. This time they were caught out. This would not be the only time this has happened and NOT been reported.

It's war. There are atrocities on both side's. The simple fact is that they shouldn't be there in the first place. It's an invasion and against the Geneva convention.

adbasque

02-08-2009, 02:14 PM

What you are doing is judging people as guilty without knowing the full facts. There is plenty of evidence of muslim atrocities.

First of all your idea of plenty of evidence goes no further than the MSM
Second of all you have absolutely no idea what's really going on, do you?
It's either that or you're doing it on purpose.
Second of all even if that's true, their country has been invaded illegally, whoever is over there is a target and they have the right to kill them, to defend their own country from the invader, namely the Brits and the US.

Next question?
Are you also denying that this war is fucking illegal or are hoping we all are as dumb as you want us to be?

how often do they blow markets up with suicide bombers, how often to they attack rival mosques, or use mosques for cover after they have committed attacks. Oh, and they have cut peoples head off on video which was then posted in the internet. Not only that but it was muslim forces that attacked the kurds with chemical weapons.

Which Muslim forces that attacked the Kurds?
WHat do you think the Kurds are, Hindus?
The forces that attacked the Kurds were no more Muslims than you are, they were cold blooded soldiers like the ones you are trying to defend.
They were Saddam's special troops. so please stop using the word Muslims.
The kurds are Muslims too in case you needed to know.

SAS agents were caught killing our own troops, go on deny this again
Why are you here to state what is already been reported on the MSM, are you an agent or something?

Are you for real? or the typical on this forum, lower us down to the bleeding obvious?
If you believe all of this nonsense what on earth are you doing on a forum like this one?

boots

02-08-2009, 02:19 PM

First of all your idea of plenty of evidence goes no further than the MSM
Second of all you have absolutely no idea what's really going on, do you?
It's either that or you're doing it on purpose.
Second of all even if that's true, their country has been invaded illegally, whoever is over there is a target and they have the right to kill them, to defend their own country from the invader, namely the Brits and the US.

Next question?
Are you also denying that this war is fucking illegal or are hoping we all are as dumb as you want us to be?

Which Muslim forces that attacked the Kurds?
WHat do you think the Kurds are, Hindus?
The forces that attacked the Kurds were no more Muslims than you are, they were cold blooded soldiers like the ones you are trying to defend.
They were Saddam's special troops. so please stop using the word Muslims.
The kurds are Muslims too in case you needed to know.

SAS agents were caught killing our own troops, go on deny this again
Why are you here to state what is already been reported on the MSM, are you an agent or something?

Are you for real? or the typical on this forum, lower us down to the bleeding obvious?
If you believe all of this nonsense what on earth are you doing on a forum like this one?

Not everyone is this thick.

Oh marpat loves to defend the undefendable...it's his job. lol

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:24 PM

Oh how nice. What a load of shit. as if they they would follow these rule to the letter. This time they were caught out. This would not be the only time this has happened and NOT been reported.

It's war. There are atrocities on both side's. The simple fact is that they shouldn't be there in the first place. It's an invasion and against the Geneva convention.

Well if they got caught breaking the rules and it was proven that they acted outside of those rules then they deserve what they get.

You post is speculation though. It is easy to sit in your nice comfy chair making statements about about how they got caught this time but it must still be going on. You dont know that. Your suspcious mind believe that but you dont know it.

Yes it is war but it is a war where one side has rules and the other doesn't. There have been time when troops have been put into medical bays alongside enemy fighters who were trying to kill them. What does that tell you? it is a fact that the enemy get medical treatment alongside those they have been trying to kill. I guess you probably dismiss this as BS to. On youtube there is a video of a US soldier being shot by a sniper but he is saved by his armour. What the video doesnt show is the sniper being wounded by return fire. The Iraqi sniper is then medically treated by the soldier he shot, who turned out to be a medic. The sniper survived due to the devotion of this medic to saving lives, even the life of his would be assassin. I guess you will also claim this too is BS. Compare this to the fate of westerners captured by the enemy. What about those blackwater guys who got shot up, their bodies torched and then hung from a bridge. What about those people who had their heads cut of on TV. And yet nobody seems to make statements about how evil these isurgent have been, even though they kill pilgrims, civilians from rival religious groups, and even destroying rival mosques.

adbasque

02-08-2009, 02:24 PM

Looks like you dont have much evidence then, neither the means to obtain any real insight into what is going on.
I don't have evidence to convict anyone, you asked something that is unprovable, what sort of evidence does Sir require for instance?

I guess this means you wish those soldiers to be found guilty by default. You have made claims then admitted you dont know if its true or not.

I guess the fact that you are a muslim makes you a totally unbiased person as well.:rolleyes:

I don't have any wish, what I really wish, is to our young men and women to stop going and invading foreign countries to kill and getting killed, that's what I wish if you had a little bit more common sense.

It has fuck all to do with me being a Muslim, don't try this shit on me, you're the one who's blind folded and I believe the blindfold suits you.
I would criticise this war, as much as the vietnam war and any other war.
When you pull your head out of the sand then come back and we can have a serious discussion.

I take it you support the war and you believe it's legal and so on and so forth, and Tony Bliar was right to send young people to be killed, right?

You sound just like the blood thirsty that supported the war.
Do you think they are fighting to protect you?
Those who killed people on video were nothing but agents for the Mossad, the CIA and the MI6

The sooner you dig this the better unless of course you're one of them and you came on DI to bullshit us all.

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:26 PM

SAS agents were caught killing our own troops, go on deny this again
Why are you here to state what is already been reported on the MSM, are you an agent or something?

?

Well if you have proof then link it so I can have a look.

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:28 PM

I don't have evidence to convict anyone, you asked something that is unprovable, what sort of evidence does Sir require for instance?

I don't have any wish, what I really wish, is to our young men and women to stop going and invading foreign countries to kill and getting killed, that's what I wish if you had a little bit more common sense.

It has fuck all to do with me being a Muslim, don't try this shit on me, you're the one who's blind folded and I believe the blindfold suits you.
I would criticise this war, as much as the vietnam war and any other war.
When you pull your head out of the sand then come back and we can have a serious discussion.

I take it you support the war and you believe it's legal and so on and so forth, and Tony Bliar was right to send young people to be killed, right?

You sound just like the blood thirsty that supported the war.
Do you think they are fighting to protect you?
Those who killed people on video were nothing but agents for the Mossad, the CIA and the MI6
The sooner you dig this the better unless of course you're one of them and you came on DI to bullshit us all.

Of course they were:rolleyes:

Got any real evidence of that?

I have never been a supporter of the Iraq war and think we went their to save the face of the US, who would have been forced to act alone.

I aks for what is unprovable? there might be a good reason that what you claim is unprovable. It might be bollocks. If you have all of this information then how can you say its unprovable? somebody must have had first hand information. It must have gotten out somehow so why is it unprovable? where is the information and proof?

adbasque

02-08-2009, 02:29 PM

Not everyone is this thick.

Oh marpat loves to defend the undefendable...it's his job. lol

To tell you the truth, sometime when I see comments like these, it does put me off, not wanting to reply, some comments are so low down and miles behind the reality.

I find it very hard to believe that a person nowdays still believes all of this Crock of S***
Unbelievable, I wonder what planet they are on.
Everything on the BBC it's true, he didn't even know that the Kurds were Muslims, is talking rubbish.

And he accuse us of not knowing what's going on, that's a good one lol

I have been put off, (maybe that was his plan) :rolleyes:

adbasque

02-08-2009, 02:31 PM

Of course they were:rolleyes:

Got any real evidence of that?

I have never been a supporter of the Iraq war and think we went their to save the face of the US, who would have been forced to act alone.

And have you got any evidence of it?
What kind of evidence are you looking for exactly? Mr genius :D
No Britain did not enter the war just to support the US, it was part of the war thanks to Bliar and his masters.
It's a global conspiracy not an American one, Americans were lied to by Bush and the media.
Because most of them were thick, but it wouldn't have made a difference if they objected or not.

boots

02-08-2009, 02:36 PM

Well if they got caught breaking the rules and it was proven that they acted outside of those rules then they deserve what they get. .

So they should and it's a pity there weren't more court cases

You post is speculation though. It is easy to sit in your nice comfy chair making statements about about how they got caught this time but it must still be going on. You dont know that. Your suspcious mind believe that but you dont know it.

Yes it is war but it is a war where one side has rules and the other doesn't. There have been time when troops have been put into medical bays alongside enemy fighters who were trying to kill them. What does that tell you? it is a fact that the enemy get medical treatment alongside those they have been trying to kill. I guess you probably dismiss this as BS to. On youtube there is a video of a US soldier being shot by a sniper but he is saved by his armour. What the video doesnt show is the sniper being wounded by return fire. The Iraqi sniper is then medically treated by the soldier he shot, who turned out to be a medic. The sniper survived due to the devotion of this medic to saving lives, even the life of his would be assassin. I guess you will also claim this too is BS. Compare this to the fate of westerners captured by the enemy. What about those blackwater guys who got shot up, their bodies torched and then hung from a bridge. What about those people who had their heads cut of on TV. And yet nobody seems to make statements about how evil these isurgent have been, even though they kill pilgrims, civilians from rival religious groups, and even destroying rival mosques.

What's up dopey.

Of course all this happens.

So they bloody well should give them medical attension, they invaded the country on the order's of their government. Now thats what I call programmed. "yes sir, no sir. How high shall I jump sir". OH my god. The poor souls.

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:36 PM

And have you got any evidence of it?
What kind of evidence are you looking for exactly? Mr genius :D

Well, being in the forces and knowing many people who have been to those places I do have some idea of what goes on. True that does not mean that I can possibly know everything but I do have an idea of what people face and how they may act and what guides their actions.

So where is the proof of your claims? I would be interested in seeing what you have. If I knew people who were committing such evils acts I would report them as we are taught never to obey illegal orders.

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:38 PM

So they should and it's a pity there weren't more court cases

What's up dopey.

Of course all this happens.

So they bloody well should give them medical attension, they invaded the country on the order's of their government. Now thats what I call programmed. "yes sir, no sir. How high shall I jump sir". OH my god. The poor souls.

So you can accept that troops do not just ramdomly kill people but actually save the lives of those who are trying to kill them. Thank you.

tracker

02-08-2009, 02:40 PM

Well, being in the forces and knowing many people who have been to those places I do have some idea of what goes on.

says the person who came on my survival thread telling someone that what they said is a load of shit and saw too many rambo films .

SO ------------ ?

which unit were you with ?

out of interest .:cool:

adbasque

02-08-2009, 02:42 PM

Well if you have proof then link it so I can have a look.
One

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=990

Two

It had been long known to the Iraqis, to the Arabs, and to all Moslems in countries bordering Iraq that the majority of the terrorist attacks in Iraq, especially car bombing, are perpetrated by covert British, American, and Israeli operatives.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1024

Your comments Sir :)

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:43 PM

says the person who came on my survival thread telling someone that what they said is a load of shit and saw too many rambo films .

SO ------------ ?

which unit were you with ?

out of interest .:cool:

i am not telling you :D

And what they said was a load of shit

tracker

02-08-2009, 02:49 PM

i am not telling you :D

And what they said was a load of shit

:D

very good answers .:cool:

marpat

02-08-2009, 02:55 PM

One

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=990

Two

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1024

Your comments Sir :)

So the Iraqi police claimed that there were shot at by these men? this begs the question, can you believe the Iraqi police? I was reading that the British had been supplying weapons to the Iraqi police and that, often with a couple of days, those weapons would be 'lost', only to turn up in the hands if dead insurgents. No doubt the SAS operate undercover, it is their job, but what you have here is a statement by possibly corrupt police. What about the explosives? were there any? what if those SAS guys had been on the verge of busting a corrupt police unit and that the claim made against them was a fabrication to stich them up? this is not beyond the boudsn of conspiracy thinkers is it.

It is true that special forces troops have been implicated in the death of UK soldiers. In NI an SAS soldier was tried for being involved with the killing of a soldier on patrol. In order to trust new guys the IRA would take them on an ambush were to see if they would actually take part in it. The soldier would then play along. In one case a patrolling soldier was killed and the IRA unit responsible was busted, including the undercover soldier. It could well be that he was delibretaley missing the targets but that his cell made the kill. Who can know for sure? I dont but I am not going to accuse people of committing all sorts of vile acts without some really credible evidence.

boots

02-08-2009, 02:55 PM

So you can accept that troops do not just ramdomly kill people but actually save the lives of those who are trying to kill them. Thank you.

Are you losing it??

Of coarse the British troops kill civilians as you said yourself they dont wear uniforms or have insignia's. So they shoot anyone who"they" suspect are the enemy.

AND they should give medical attention too those they have injured, after all they invaded the country. Didn't they.

marpat

02-08-2009, 03:23 PM

Are you losing it??

Of coarse the British troops kill civilians as you said yourself they dont wear uniforms or have insignia's. So they shoot anyone who"they" suspect are the enemy.

AND they should give medical attention too those they have injured, after all they invaded the country. Didn't they.

No they dont, tell me have you ever visited the planet earth? I bet you dont really get out of your house much.

tb303

02-08-2009, 07:47 PM

You claim they are fed drugs but have you any actual proof, and I dont mean that some conspiracy theorist felt this or had a hunch. Drugs testing goes on quite a lot and it carries severe consequences for those caught.

I doubt they're still being given acid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fvideosear ch%3Fq%3Dbritish%2Barmy%2Blsd%26emb%3D0%26aq%3Df&feature=player_embedded

tb303

02-08-2009, 07:48 PM

No they dont, tell me have you ever visited the planet earth? I bet you dont really get out of your house much.

What, the British Army has never killed any civilians?

marpat

02-08-2009, 10:06 PM

I doubt they're still being given acid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fvideosear ch%3Fq%3Dbritish%2Barmy%2Blsd%26emb%3D0%26aq%3Df&feature=player_embedded

Totally different and completely irrelevant.

marpat

02-08-2009, 10:07 PM

What, the British Army has never killed any civilians?

Do you really care what I say? you are going to believe what you want anyway.

boots

03-08-2009, 11:55 AM

No they dont, tell me have you ever visited the planet earth? I bet you dont really get out of your house much.

Do you really care what I say? you are going to believe what you want anyway.

What a piss weak statement.

LOL. You lost again marpat. The truth hurt's too much.

decim

03-08-2009, 08:59 PM

War in & of itself, is torture, a state of constant, unrelenting duress for all participants thus engaged.

Who did what to whom is largely irrelevant in the bigger context of the whole action of war & the ongoing effects decades after fighting has ceased.

A point scoring exercise on a net forum.

cpfc12

07-08-2009, 07:09 PM

cryst4l

07-08-2009, 08:58 PM

Doesn't excuse them of their actions, and our soldiers have the choice, where as the enemy in this case doesn't really.

CPFC, your are against violence but are quick to attack anyone with aggressiveness and unbalanced comments if they have been involved or have shown some form of negative actions.

This includes subjects you speak about, how can this be because in my eyes it makes you a hypocrite?

marpat

07-08-2009, 09:00 PM

What a piss weak statement.

LOL. You lost again marpat. The truth hurt's too much.

Who is hurt? I am not. Why do you make crap little statements that are nothing but attempts to provoke negative reactions?

marpat

07-08-2009, 09:05 PM

Doesn't excuse them of their actions, and our soldiers have the choice, where as the enemy in this case doesnt really.

Are you saying the enemy doesnt have a choice? said who? I guess these are the same enemies who cut off peoples heads on youtube, maybe you think they didnt have a choice then too :rolleyes:. I know whats coming, you will just say it was a CIA job or something, any excuse to blame people from the west without trying to place any judgement on muslim extremists. You excuse one violent group yet judge another,

cpfc12

07-08-2009, 09:15 PM

Are you saying the enemy doesnt have a choice? said who? I guess these are the same enemies who cut off peoples heads on youtube, maybe you think they didnt have a choice then too :rolleyes:. I know whats coming, you will just say it was a CIA job or something, any excuse to blame people from the west without trying to place any judgement on muslim extremists. You excuse one violent group yet judge another,

Hey if we where to be invaded by little brown people will ak47s who where stealing our oil and occupying our land, then i would say the soldiers would be in more of the right to fight than the invaders. Bollocks there is nobody out there who is a threat to us, we are the new evil empire better face it

marpat

07-08-2009, 09:21 PM

Hey if we where to be invaded by little brown people will ak47s who where stealing our oil and occupying our land, then i would say the soldiers would be in more of the right to fight than the invaders. Bollocks there is nobody out there who is a threat to us, we are the new evil empire better face it

But you still think the enemy has no choice? funny that as many of them are turning up in Britain as alylum seekers, looking for easy money over here. They chose not to fight but to come over here and benefit from our societies handouts. Perhaps you could call it a covert invasion, stealing our financial resources.

How do you know nobody is a threat? you just assume that the opposite of what you hear on tv is true.

adbasque

08-08-2009, 01:32 PM

Hey if we where to be invaded by little brown people will ak47s who where stealing our oil and occupying our land, then i would say the soldiers would be in more of the right to fight than the invaders. Bollocks there is nobody out there who is a threat to us, we are the new evil empire better face it

They can't face the truth, it's always the others who are evil, this is how they deal with reality, because things are so bloody obvious now, they can't accept the truth.

Believe me even an idiot knows, some people do accept the truth and take it on the chin, some others prefere to stick their heads in the sand and believe the old bullcrap.

That's what a brainwashing is done to them, even if you show someone the truth but because he is deeply brainwashed, he will deny it.

And if you speak the truth you're the enemy:rolleyes:

adbasque

08-08-2009, 01:36 PM

But you still think the enemy has no choice? funny that as many of them are turning up in Britain as alylum seekers, looking for easy money over here. They chose not to fight but to come over here and benefit from our societies handouts. Perhaps you could call it a covert invasion, stealing our financial resources.

How do you know nobody is a threat? you just assume that the opposite of what you hear on tv is true.

You're a real troll you know?
The ones who are stealing your money are the fucking bankers and you deserve it, because you're a bigot, what shit statement can anyone make!!!

Did they pay you to come here and spout this rubbish??
Who the fuck do you think you're folling with your racist comments?
They are here because you and people like you invaded their fucking country and killing them.

What a shill!!

I can't believe for one minute you're an ignorant, I believe you're bloody agent or a racist, I bet my life on it.

adbasque

08-08-2009, 01:41 PM

Are you saying the enemy doesnt have a choice? said who? I guess these are the same enemies who cut off peoples heads on youtube, maybe you think they didnt have a choice then too :rolleyes:. I know whats coming, you will just say it was a CIA job or something, any excuse to blame people from the west without trying to place any judgement on muslim extremists. You excuse one violent group yet judge another,

Yes, they were the CIA/MOSSAD/MI6 deal with it
SAS agents were caught killing our soldiers to blame it on Iraqi insurgents, so they can send more troops and stay there for the length of time they needed to complete their agenda.

And the ones killed on video, were decapitated by ruthless agents

To keep the war going, I know you're not an ignorant, but you're trying to make the rest of us believe your crap, well you chose the wrong website for this, most people here know where the truth is, except the few shills like you.

How much do they pay you, to spout these lies??

Go away.

cpfc12

08-08-2009, 08:01 PM

But you still think the enemy has no choice? funny that as many of them are turning up in Britain as alylum seekers, looking for easy money over here. They chose not to fight but to come over here and benefit from our societies handouts. Perhaps you could call it a covert invasion, stealing our financial resources.

How do you know nobody is a threat? you just assume that the opposite of what you hear on tv is true.

Hey as long as these little brown people wearing sandles develop state of art military technology, and manage to fly chinooks over here and b52 bombers then i couldn't care less. And that being the case, should we replace our armed force's duties into the immigration service ?? sort of toltalitarian children of men scenario however.

marpat

08-08-2009, 09:09 PM

Hey as long as these little brown people wearing sandles develop state of art military technology, and manage to fly chinooks over here and b52 bombers then i couldn't care less. And that being the case, should we replace our armed force's duties into the immigration service ?? sort of toltalitarian children of men scenario however.

Only the ignorant believe they dont have any sophisticated weapons. They have portables SAM's at the very least. They are killing people with IED's that our vehicles cant jam because they have adapted to the changes in tactics and come up with new methods. They managed to fight the soviets for 10 years with less sophisticated equipment than they have acquired in recent years. Have B52's been used over there in recent years? I only recall them being used in the initial invasion to clear taliban armies out of areas and cave complexes. Small scale precision airstrikes are now used because the engagement range is very close to troops, making area bombing useless.

You make some silly points.

marpat

08-08-2009, 09:14 PM

Yes, they were the CIA/MOSSAD/MI6 deal with it
SAS agents were caught killing our soldiers to blame it on Iraqi insurgents, so they can send more troops and stay there for the length of time they needed to complete their agenda.

And the ones killed on video, were decapitated by ruthless agents

To keep the war going, I know you're not an ignorant, but you're trying to make the rest of us believe your crap, well you chose the wrong website for this, most people here know where the truth is, except the few shills like you.

How much do they pay you, to spout these lies??

Go away.

Like I said before, can you trust corrupt Iraqi police. It is a known fact that they have been infiltrated by the enemy. Those SAS guys were not caught killing their own guys, that is just a fantasy that you want to believe. If they want to send more troops then it is not working as Brtitain has pulled most of its troops out.

I get paid as much as you do to spout bullshit. You seem incapable of thinking that muslims terrorist would cut peoples heads off yet radical muslims in Britain were praising such violent and sickening actions. Even if it was a black op the fact is that many muslims in Britain seemed to get a real kick out of it. Speaks volumes about their mentality.

adbasque

08-08-2009, 09:40 PM

Like I said before, can you trust corrupt Iraqi police. It is a known fact that they have been infiltrated by the enemy. Those SAS guys were not caught killing their own guys, that is just a fantasy that you want to believe. If they want to send more troops then it is not working as Brtitain has pulled most of its troops out.

Yes the enemy is the people who hand picked them and put them in place
I don't trust anything in Iraq today, because they are not governing themselves, they are being colonised and inavded by Britain the US and other countries.
SAS caught killing their own, and you refuse to believe it, you live in a fantasy world my friend ;)

I get paid as much as you do to spout bullshit. You seem incapable of thinking that muslims terrorist would cut peoples heads off yet radical muslims in Britain were praising such violent and sickening actions. Even if it was a black op the fact is that many muslims in Britain seemed to get a real kick out of it. Speaks volumes about their mentality.

Well I am certainly not getting paid lol, why would they pay me for exposing them?
The so called Muslims are no more Muslims than you are, And even if it's true what makes them terrorists? For defending their country? It seems to me that right now we are the terrorists not them.

If Britain is invaded tomorrow I take it you won't fight them anyway you can?
You will take the shit from your invaders, right?
You know that the war was illegal, go on tell me it was legal?
The few Muslims you see in Britian also don't get it, just like you right now.
They believe what they see, and being emotionally driven.

Yes most Muslims in Britain and around the world are against the war and not just the Muslims, even the non Muslims, only the sheeple, the Zionists who want that war.

So get your act together and then make silly comments like these.

marpat

09-08-2009, 10:26 AM

marpat

09-08-2009, 12:18 PM

Here you go, one article that shows that the police in that prison were actually criminals:

http://www.truthout.org/article/british-soldiers-storm-iraqi-jail-citing-torture

adbasque

09-08-2009, 12:35 PM

You make it sound like and us-and-them scenario. They are also fighting rivals within their own areas, gangs, other sects, etc.

The SAS guys were not caught in the act of killing their own guys so live with it you liar. You may wish to fantasise that they were but they were not caught doing that. In a country where people get abducted by people in Iraqi police unifrom I hardly think you can place any trust in them. Not only that but the weapons that the British give them are often found in the hands of dead insurgents.

Why not also consider those people captured by Iraqis, who are then tortured brutally them murdered? I guess you will excuse them becaus they are fighting an invader.

These threads are always so anti-western and pro anything which is against the west, to the point of blindness.

You know something?
You're true brainwashed shill you'd sell your fellow human beings for your masters.
you call me a liar :D when you can't prove otherwise.
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/jailedbrits.jpg

Fascinating. No really, the ‘evolution’ of state disinformation has probably never been better displayed than in the case of the two (more than likely) SAS soldiers who were ‘liberated’ after being arrested by the Iraqi police on 19 September by a phalanx of tanks and helicopter gunships that stormed the police station where the two undercover soldiers were being held after they allegedly failed to stop at an Iraqi police roadblock and subsequently opened fire on the Iraqi police, killing one and wounding another

Read Here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=990)

You're the liar, you were sent here to spread your lies :D I can smell shills miles away and you're definitely one of them.

throughout this thread you've done nothing but spouting lies and disinfo.

adbasque

09-08-2009, 12:40 PM

Here you go, one article that shows that the police in that prison were actually criminals:

http://www.truthout.org/article/british-soldiers-storm-iraqi-jail-citing-torture

Go and spout somewhere else and I am not talking just about that incident, it happened so many times, where Iraqi witnesses were on the scene and saw western look guys dressed as arabs and carried attacks on their own British troops especially around Basra, so don't give me your bullshit keep it to yourself.

The police stattion was corrupt maybe because it wasn't bending backward to their invaders, have thought of that? no I doubt you can think.

You're like a sponge you absorb every piece of crab you see on BBC, CNN, Fire Fox and come here in a hope to bullshit the rest of us.

cpfc12

09-08-2009, 01:46 PM

I think marpat is right actually reading all his posts, the briitsh army is the best and most honourable in the world, they wouldn't dream of killing anyone or torturing anyone, they only "engage" the "enemy". Cases like this are rightly to be kept in the back, as we have to praise our heroes, for fighting the invaders of this land. I am sure that if the headlines responded british musilms/jews tortured and murder 20 ..." or British police tortured and murdered 20...." people would only be defending the ones in question, as thats the way the sun brainwash us and other papers. ALl the time they are posting stories about how we should protest against the troops. fucked up sarcasm

cpfc12

09-08-2009, 01:48 PM

Go and spout somewhere else and I am not talking just about that incident, it happened so many times, where Iraqi witnesses were on the scene and saw western look guys dressed as arabs and carried attacks on their own British troops especially around Basra, so don't give me your bullshit keep it to yourself.

The police stattion was corrupt maybe because it wasn't bending backward to their invaders, have thought of that? no I doubt you can think.

You're like a sponge you absorb every piece of crab you see on BBC, CNN, Fire Fox and come here in a hope to bullshit the rest of us.

Remember though in this society, if a musilim makes a claim against a british establishment i.e. police, mI5, espescially the fucking military it is ignored, and the human making the complaint would be seen as a terrorist.

adbasque

09-08-2009, 02:17 PM

Remember though in this society, if a musilim makes a claim against a british establishment i.e. police, mI5, espescially the fucking military it is ignored, and the human making the complaint would be seen as a terrorist.

To be honest, we don't need to go as far as Iraq, here in the country, when a citizen is abused by police, he/she is guilty before proven innocent, why because people are conditioned to believe and almost worship our armed forces, they can't do anything wrong, it must be the civilian who's the bad guy, you're talking generations of conditioning.

Like some people find it inconceivable that a doctor could kill his patients and so on.

Nothing more than brainwashing, until something happens to them personally only then, they can realise how stupid they were all along.

I am not attacking our troops as individuals, after all they are part of us, but nevertheless they are serving the bastards, and don't expect anyone to understand it.

They think if your criticise your troops you're not a patriotic another conditioning dogma.
Even though they all know that the wars were illegal from the word go, they still want to believe it's for our safety, because if they admit that their troops are killing innocent people, it makes them feel guilty and in a way responsible, because they are doing it in our name, all I have to say, not they are not doing it in my name, they are doing it in the name of Tony Bliar and his masters.

End of story, I feel sorry for some young men and women, but on the other hand, why join the army in that case? You know damn well what is their primary job, they are trained to kill, so you shouldn't join in the first place.

I also know that they target young men and women and make the army look attractive and as a good thing to be part of.

I never agreed of any army, I never agreed of the making of weapons in the first place.

Now you'll hear all of the apologists, saying, well the army is not about killing blah blah it's about humanitarian aids, helping people, if that's true, what am I going to do with BullShit then? lol

I am against any form of war, unless my country is been attacked and we must defend ourselves and if we can solve the crisis diplomatically, I'd welcome this and without any hostilities.

adbasque

09-08-2009, 02:20 PM

Remember though in this society, if a musilim makes a claim against a british establishment i.e. police, mI5, espescially the fucking military it is ignored, and the human making the complaint would be seen as a terrorist.

Not just a muslim, anyone who objects to what the state wants will be considered as a terrorist.

Have you heard of that woman who smacked her child she was arrested under terrorism act, see what they are doing?

marpat

09-08-2009, 02:34 PM

It is clear that people wish to believe that Iraqis are just poor freedom fighters who do nothing wrong but the soldiers are the bad guys who would kill their own to prolong the conflict. That is brain washing for you.

According to the article I linked the local people were happy that the police station was demolished because of the fear the police were promoting in people. Why would they make accusation against those soldiers? because they were about to be busted and wanted to blame somebody else.

marpat

09-08-2009, 02:37 PM

Remember though in this society, if a musilim makes a claim against a british establishment i.e. police, mI5, espescially the fucking military it is ignored, and the human making the complaint would be seen as a terrorist.

Said who? have you any proof of this? in my experience ethnic minorities get better treatment than us white males. It appears to most people that the country is bending over backwards to accomodate muslims. Look at these massive riots because of supposed anti-muslim cartoons. They carry placards threatening people and chant violent slogans but they never seem to be broken up.

marpat

09-08-2009, 02:42 PM

Go and spout somewhere else and I am not talking just about that incident, it happened so many times, where Iraqi witnesses were on the scene and saw western look guys dressed as arabs and carried attacks on their own British troops especially around Basra, so don't give me your bullshit keep it to yourself.

The police stattion was corrupt maybe because it wasn't bending backward to their invaders, have thought of that? no I doubt you can think.

You're like a sponge you absorb every piece of crab you see on BBC, CNN, Fire Fox and come here in a hope to bullshit the rest of us.

Of course it was.:rolleyes:. I suppose all their victims in the cells would agree with you.

Are these 'witnesses' credible or just anybody who claims to have been there? I can imagine the insurgents can produce 'witnesses' who claim many things have happened, knowing full well that such stories will get back to the west and shake public morale. For all you know it could just be a propoganda campaign.

I actually dont watch those news channels.

adbasque

09-08-2009, 03:10 PM

Said who? have you any proof of this? in my experience ethnic minorities get better treatment than us white males. It appears to most people that the country is bending over backwards to accomodate muslims. Look at these massive riots because of supposed anti-muslim cartoons. They carry placards threatening people and chant violent slogans but they never seem to be broken up.

Oh yeah!
When it's something pointing to our troops it's a propaganda, when it's something pointing at few people carrying placards all written by the same hand that's a proof, right? :D

You don't watch those channels, but you seem to only point what most people see on their TV screens.
You're not saying anything different from what the MSM is telling us day in day out.

The problem is you refuse to see the truth or you're doing it on purpose.

Let me ask you some question and then we can determine what side you're on.

Do you believe in the political system of our country?
Do you believe Tony Bliar?
Do you believe in that war in Iraq in the first place?
Then we can carry on debating the issue.

marpat

09-08-2009, 03:15 PM

Oh yeah!
When it's something pointing to our troops it's a propaganda, when it's something pointing at few people carrying placards all written by the same hand that's a proof, right? :D

You don't watch those channels, but you seem to only point what most people see on their TV screens.
You're not saying anything different from what the MSM is telling us day in day out.

The problem is you refuse to see the truth or you're doing it on purpose.

Let me ask you some question and then we can determine what side you're on.

Do you believe in the political system of our country?
Do you believe Tony Bliar?
Do you believe in that war in Iraq in the first place?
Then we can carry on debating the issue.

I dont trust our politicians. I dont think many people do.

Personally I think we went to Iraq so that the US didnt look like they were going in alone

Is there anything to debate? you expect me to believe some crap about our own troops killing their own comrades, yet when information comes to light about that police station being used be Iraq death squads you seem to think this is wrong.

You claim I refuse to see the truth but what you mean is that I dont accept yor version of the truth. I think you are biased because of your religion.

adbasque

09-08-2009, 03:58 PM

I dont trust our politicians. I dont think many people do.

Personally I think we went to Iraq so that the US didnt look like they were going in alone

Is there anything to debate? you expect me to believe some crap about our own troops killing their own comrades, yet when information comes to light about that police station being used be Iraq death squads you seem to think this is wrong.

You claim I refuse to see the truth but what you mean is that I dont accept yor version of the truth. I think you are biased because of your religion.

First it has nothing to do with religion, that's you're only defence, I am not defending the Iraqi cause because of my religion, I'd say the same thing about any war.

Vietnam war was as genocidal as the Iraq war or any war for that matter, I hate invaders, I hate arrogant people, I hate wars.

Iraqi people did not ask for that war, and yes our special forces do kill their own troops if it's required to prolong the war or anything that would support their presence there.

It's not the first time agents killed their own soldiers, General Paton was killed because he wanted to end the war and stop the zionist movement, and the creation of the EU.

They killed him and it was the Americans that killed him, he was going to expose many people.
So if you want to be naive and continue to believe that nonsense go ahead.
During the Vietnam war a lot troops were killed by their own.

all sorts of corruption during a war, if the opinion public needs diverting they'll do whatever it takes to achieve it, they couldn't give a shit about the soldiers, after they are just someone's kid happen to wear the uniform, he is nobody just a slave fighting their war.

Why would they care? Give me one reason why wouldn't they do it?

A soldier has signed his life away, unless he quits he is still serves the evil system.
Regardless how nice he is or naive, but he still is serving that rotten system.
I usually feel sorry for the parents of a young man/woman who get killed, they still have their lives ahead, they get their lives snatched from them.

Do you want to encourage that?
They go to kill and get killed themselves for what???
Nothing to do with my bloody religion, I am speaking as a human being, don't point at my religion simply because you know what my religion is, what would be your argument if you didn't know what my religion is??

What would your argument be if I am an atheist?

marpat

09-08-2009, 04:08 PM

First it has nothing to do with religion, that's you're only defence, I am not defending the Iraqi cause because of my religion, I'd say the same thing about any war.

Vietnam war was as genocidal as the Iraq war or any war for that matter, I hate invaders, I hate arrogant people, I hate wars.

Iraqi people did not ask for that war, and yes our special forces do kill their own troops if it's required to prolong the war or anything that would support their presence there.

It's not the first time agents killed their own soldiers, General Paton was killed because he wanted to end the war and stop the zionist movement, and the creation of the EU.

They killed him and it was the Americans that killed him, he was going to expose many people.
So if you want to be naive and continue to believe that nonsense go ahead.
During the Vietnam war a lot troops were killed by their own.

all sorts of corruption during a war, if the opinion public needs diverting they'll do whatever it takes to achieve it, they couldn't give a shit about the soldiers, after they are just someone's kid happen to wear the uniform, he is nobody just a slave fighting their war.

Why would they care? Give me one reason why wouldn't they do it?

A soldier has signed his life away, unless he quits he is still serves the evil system.

What would your argument be if I am an atheist?

But you are the one believing stuff you have no real proof of. You believe those guys were killing British troops when that was the accusation of corrupt Iraqi police. At the end of the day you cant prove that that they were right and I could not prove that the SAS guys were doing nothing wrong. We are both outsiders in this getting information from other sources which we cannot prove or check. In such cases all we are doing is speculating but you act like the version of events you want to believe is factual. If any soldier got caught carrying out such illegal acts I would be happy for them to hang but until such things are proven then we can only guess. You seem to have a need to believe that such an agenda is at work but I am not bound by such beliefs.

adbasque

09-08-2009, 04:43 PM

But you are the one believing stuff you have no real proof of. You believe those guys were killing British troops when that was the accusation of corrupt Iraqi police. At the end of the day you cant prove that that they were right and I could not prove that the SAS guys were doing nothing wrong. We are both outsiders in this getting information from other sources which we cannot prove or check. In such cases all we are doing is speculating but you act like the version of events you want to believe is factual. If any soldier got caught carrying out such illegal acts I would be happy for them to hang but until such things are proven then we can only guess. You seem to have a need to believe that such an agenda is at work but I am not bound by such beliefs.

Look if we go on like this, the truth is we can't really prove anything.
There's no concrete evidence that 9/11 was an inside job either, there's no concrete evidence that 7/7 was an inside job, what do you want?
Only a full confession will probably have the proof you want, I have heard from other sources that British troops were killed by special forces, SAS etc..
some even were killed by the Mossad etc..

Another thing to consider all the so called friendly fires that occured right at the beginning of the conflicts.

It's funny with all the precisions they have, they can shoot a tea spoon out of the hand of a suspect, but they mistake a whole regiment or a patrol?

I am not saying there aren't any insurgents or there aren't any iraqis still fighting or even some foreigners who joined the to help the iraqis.

I am not denying any of it, but at least they have a good reason, they are defending their country anyway they can.

I would do the exact same thing if Britian is invaded tomorrow, especially if it's an unprovoked attack on our country.

In my views I try and see evil where he really is, but you seem to side with Britian (british troops) no matter how wrong they are.
That's the difference between us, no matter how horrible is the truth I will always face it.
It doesn't mean we "Brits" are responsible for what these guys are doing, I am sure the majority of people did not support this war, and the few that supported it, because they were sold a lie.

So it's not the British people who's to blame, and it's not the Iraqi people that are to blame.
And if you believe that the invasion has done something good to the average Iraqi, then you're dead wrong.

marpat

09-08-2009, 05:03 PM

Look if we go on like this, the truth is we can't really prove anything.
There's no concrete evidence that 9/11 was an inside job either, there's no concrete evidence that 7/7 was an inside job, what do you want?
Only a full confession will probably have the proof you want, I have heard from other sources that British troops were killed by special forces, SAS etc..
some even were killed by the Mossad etc..

Another thing to consider all the so called friendly fires that occured right at the beginning of the conflicts.

It's funny with all the precisions they have, they can shoot a tea spoon out of the hand of a suspect, but they mistake a whole regiment or a patrol?

I am not saying there aren't any insurgents or there aren't any iraqis still fighting or even some foreigners who joined the to help the iraqis.

I am not denying any of it, but at least they have a good reason, they are defending their country anyway they can.

I would do the exact same thing if Britian is invaded tomorrow, especially if it's an unprovoked attack on our country.

In my views I try and see evil where he really is, but you seem to side with Britian (british troops) no matter how wrong they are.
That's the difference between us, no matter how horrible is the truth I will always face it.
It doesn't mean we "Brits" are responsible for what these guys are doing, I am sure the majority of people did not support this war, and the few that supported it, because they were sold a lie.

So it's not the British people who's to blame, and it's not the Iraqi people that are to blame.
And if you believe that the invasion has done something good to the average Iraqi, then you're dead wrong.

The Iraqis are often fighting each other. Dont pretend its us and them.

I never supported the invasion but that does not mean I am happy to condemn people outright for things that have been claimed but unproven.

Why would the SAS kill British troops? who are these other sources you claim to have? not only would they be acting in a way which is illegal and contrary to what they are taught about law, they could also be attacking groups who are their friends. Dont forget that the SAS recruits from all the forces so why would they attack people who they may well know and be friends with? what if one of them killed a good friend of another SAS soldier, dont you think such things would cause massive internal friction?

Personally I am not interested in people hinting at things or speculating about things. If people are going to make claims then they need to back it up or be ignorned.

Friendly fire occurs in any war. Precision weapons cannot account for human fuck ups. Same with any weapon really.

entrangermercenary

09-08-2009, 06:42 PM

??? Links ?? sources?? Ill just go and crack a can while I wait :D

adbasque

09-08-2009, 07:03 PM

British Terrorism in Iraq

I thought you might be interested in reading this, see what you make out of it.

It had been long known to the Iraqis, to the Arabs, and to all Moslems in countries bordering Iraq that the majority of the terrorist attacks in Iraq, especially car bombing, are perpetrated by covert British, American, and Israeli operatives. It is also well known to them that the terrorist Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and his “Al-Qaeda in Iraq” are just inventions of the coalition forces to justify their existence. More and more evidences are coming out of Iraq to support this fact.

The arrest of two undercover British SAS operatives last week, disguised as Arabs trying to plant a car bomb in the middle of Basra during the Karbala Festival, which draws as many as 3 million pilgrims to the city, is just the latest of such revelations.

In previous article - “American Terror Strategy in Iraq”, published first week of last August) I wrote about the American covert terrorist activity in Iraq aimed at inciting civil war and alienating Iraqi resistance. The good citizens of Great Britain and US, including their troops fighting in Iraq, would not believe that their governments would do such terrible acts.

After all these two countries are sacrificing the lives of their young troops to liberate Iraqis and not to murder them. The article was criticized harshly by American troops, who served in Iraq, and claimed that they were helping Iraqis re-building their lives.

Yet many other Americans and Britons – troops as well as independent reporters – speak loudly about the African, Latin American, American and British mercenaries operating in Iraq and are paid thousands more than the regular troops to perpetrate the terror attacks.

British and American leaders had lied their troops into the war in Iraq. Studying history one discovers a long history of these leaders deceiving their people and leading them to terrorize other countries.

The two British operatives, arrested by Basra police and later freed by a British military operation, were identified by the BBC as “members of the SAS elite special forces”
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm ).

Read More (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1024)

adbasque

09-08-2009, 07:27 PM

Mabe this will give an idea

The SAS was deeply involved in the British conflict in Northern Ireland since its start in 1969. At the beginning they operated openly in their own uniform, and later on they planted moles in the IRA, who were involved in terror bombing. The well known August 15th, 1998 Omagh bombing attack, which killed 29 civilians was done by an SAS double agent as reported by Sunday Herald (http://www.sundayherald.com/17827 ).

And we all know that MI6 and the special forces were part of the IRA,
They were the ones pulling the strings.
They have killed civilians many times, this is not the first time.
So if you're not prepared to accept it, then nothing will ever convince you unless you get some full confessions, and these are unlikely to happen.

It's funny though if it's someone else you're very happy to accept the story without any evidence, when it's British forces or troops we need to provide stacks of evidence or else you dismiss, hummm.

It doesn't matter anyway, what you believe or I believe, we are not going to stop them, but I hope one day you won't end up one of their victims.

entrangermercenary

09-08-2009, 07:28 PM

British Terrorism in Iraq

I thought you might be interested in reading this, see what you make out of it.

Read More (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1024)

Interested in what ? Ov course special forces drive around undercover with weapons and explosives in the car, lol thats the fucking job. Find the target and eliminate it, what they class as a high value target or mayb just for a bit of fun to keep your trigger finger in :D !!!They were disguised as locals because thats covert work :rolleyes: No where have I ever seen or heard such shit about sas,sbs killing there own troops.
Where were they trying to plant a car bomb then??Did they not try and run a checkpoint but were captured !!

It has long been known to English men In this country, we have heard that all immigrants when they come here go straight to the front of the housing que, get a council flat and extra money for each of there wife's !!! Is that statement correct then??

Ill give u a clue my name:D

cpfc12

13-08-2009, 12:52 AM

cpfc12

13-08-2009, 01:06 AM

adbasque

13-08-2009, 02:33 AM

Sorry i take down my previous comment it was wrong, the british army are the best in the world, i might consider joinging them, i mean we arent really killing people in iraq or afghanistan, i mean the news says that we just give rice to the locals and build bridges. but also we are british, the most civilised people on the planet, we are helping those uncivilised people. also if i do have to shoot people over there doesnt matter because they are shooting and are against us pushing globalisation, which is a good thing, also the people we kill over there, probably dont have families, either so its happy days :D go british army ! go British government !

It's sad that some people would love to believe what you just said, it's almost inconceivable for them, that their beautiful armed forces could possibly kill people.

What they forget, is armed forces are not ours anymore, they go out and kill for Tony Bliar and his masters.
They fight someone elses dirty war, they kill and get killed.

That's the hard truth unfortunately.

lost_in_translation

13-08-2009, 11:41 AM

It's sad that some people would love to believe what you just said, it's almost inconceivable for them, that their beautiful armed forces could possibly kill people.

What they forget, is armed forces are not ours anymore, they go out and kill for Tony Bliar and his masters.
They fight someone elses dirty war, they kill and get killed.

That's the hard truth unfortunately.

this is always a hard topic for me to tackle being a ex service member with the US army and being a veteran of the war in iraq..
I know there are sick people who kill for the sake of killing we see it everywhere not just in the armed services. but i think.. and i have experience. that for the most part when a civilian gets killed in battle its because the soldiers did not follow procedures.. or were scared... i dont speak for all deaths... Im not saying its right..
but think rationaly.. your buddy just got hit.. is dead and the fog of war envelopes you.. you see movement out the corner of your eye you turn and shoot.. and a kid falls.. Ive seen combat stress and what it does..
i have killed civilians... not from the fog but because the car did not head clear warnings and stop...
you are right wars are fought for the people in power to have their thrills but to me 80 percent of combat soldiers are just scared and react without thinking.. its not programing.. its survival instinct... the oath of elistment for the US army clearly states that we are sworn to defend the constution of the united states from all enemies foriegn and domestic.. my only gripe with soldiers is they dont uphold that value..

as far as soldiers killing just for the sake of killing.. thats always been in them.. sociaty programed that. the army just trained them to do it..
we have to stop pre judging people based on thier job. race gender. most of the soldeirs i know.. and thats alot. do it to provide for thier families or school

adbasque

13-08-2009, 12:42 PM

this is always a hard topic for me to tackle being a ex service member with the US army and being a veteran of the war in iraq..
I know there are sick people who kill for the sake of killing we see it everywhere not just in the armed services. but i think.. and i have experience. that for the most part when a civilian gets killed in battle its because the soldiers did not follow procedures.. or were scared... i dont speak for all deaths... Im not saying its right..
but think rationaly.. your buddy just got hit.. is dead and the fog of war envelopes you.. you see movement out the corner of your eye you turn and shoot.. and a kid falls.. Ive seen combat stress and what it does..
i have killed civilians... not from the fog but because the car did not head clear warnings and stop...
you are right wars are fought for the people in power to have their thrills but to me 80 percent of combat soldiers are just scared and react without thinking.. its not programing.. its survival instinct... the oath of elistment for the US army clearly states that we are sworn to defend the constution of the united states from all enemies foriegn and domestic.. my only gripe with soldiers is they dont uphold that value..

as far as soldiers killing just for the sake of killing.. thats always been in them.. sociaty programed that. the army just trained them to do it..
we have to stop pre judging people based on thier job. race gender. most of the soldeirs i know.. and thats alot. do it to provide for thier families or school

I really appreciate what your comment, and I agree with you on some issues, a soldier is also a human being trying to stay alive, and as you described above, when you're a soldier you're also a primary target.

But don't tell me that some soldiers aren't drugged to the point where they lose reason, am I wrong?
Don't tell me that they are fed chemicals to completely alter their human behaviour, I mean they've done it before and during the Vietnam war, it's a no secret.

I am not saying every soldier is a killer but there are quite few especially these days.

One final thing, I mean some have been recruited while very young, but knowing what soldiers do, why go for that Job?

I appreciate that most soldiers are coned while they're still too young to make a rational judgement, they're usually full of life, some will see it as the only way out, no other opportunities out there.

I don't want to see our young men and women being dragged out to fight their filthy wars, the scums, nor would I want to see innocent people, children, women, men you name being killed because of some scumbags.

I wish people educate their kids not to join the army. until the country is back to our hands.

Keep safe :)

lost_in_translation

13-08-2009, 01:05 PM

I really appreciate what your comment, and I agree with you on some issues, a soldier is also a human being trying to stay alive, and as you described above, when you're a soldier you're also a primary target.

But don't tell me that some soldiers aren't drugged to the point where they lose reason, am I wrong?
Don't tell me that they are fed chemicals to completely alter their human behaviour, I mean they've done it before and during the Vietnam war, it's a no secret.

I am not saying every soldier is a killer but there are quite few especially these days.

One final thing, I mean some have been recruited while very young, but knowing what soldiers do, why go for that Job?

I appreciate that most soldiers are coned while they're still too young to make a rational judgement, they're usually full of life, some will see it as the only way out, no other opportunities out there.

I don't want to see our young men and women being dragged out to fight their filthy wars, the scums, nor would I want to see innocent people, children, women, men you name being killed because of some scumbags.

I wish people educate their kids not to join the army. until the country is back to our hands.

Keep safe :)

im sure i was handed a pretty nice cocktail before i deployed i know i got the smallpox vaccine and all the anthrax shots.
but i never just randomly killed

/But don't tell me that some soldiers aren't drugged to the point where they lose reason, am I wrong/

I have never seen this..and i doubt anyone in this forum has either

i think the reason is much deeper that just being a soldier.
yea soldiers kill i do not doubt that and some kill for lust
but you must also realize
we have sick people in every walk of life doing torture and crimes against other people. to include priests. i bet if you open the news paper the last crime commited in your town was not done by a soldier or veteran.. its a problem with society in my eyes.. plain and simple.. family structures broken..sence of community broken.. moral values replaced by the latest fashion.. music that just sucks.. in order to look at a soldier and say why did he do that.. you must look at the country he comes from and say whats wrong.. soldiers represent their country in more way than one.

i forget the exact numbers but lets say 80 per cent of the army is not even in a combat roll. they spend their deployments in secure areas like baghdad int airport or the green zone doing office work or fixing equiment.

the problem with the "there are more killer soldiers these days" theory is that today we have you tube.. this war is the most public one in the hstory of man. from blogs to embeded reporters. to soldiers shooting video themselves. but i bet if the crusaders had you tube there would be one hell of a story to tell

I think its gonna take the military to get the country back in our hands.. they are sworn to defend against all enemies to include domestic enemies

thank you for the post but please try to think outside the box.. alot of people decieve to instill fear... . the ones in control use it to keep control
people like David Icke use it to sell his theories.. but the sweet truth is in the middle somewhere.. its our job to look through the BS and find it.. reamber evidence can be manipulated by the one presenting it so that his or her theory looks good

peace

lost_in_translation

13-08-2009, 01:17 PM

This doesn't suprise me one bit, there is no high moral value serving in the military like they try to make out, they are hired killers for the government, accept that, i have realised that there is no point defending or attacking their actions, as thats what they do. Just hope you are on their side when shit hits the fan.

Ironic how they always say, that the psychopaths are rooted out, but how can that be, when you have to pass training, where you are taught to rip out somebodys scrotum, and use weapons that fire high velocity rounds into people. Hell the job is fun, you get to fire big guns, you get full immunity, from the public, the media, so there will be nasty thoughts on your conscience. :D

this is programaing at its finest... bravo.. which ever you tube video or book he read .. wow.. it worked like it was suspose to
to hate just out of ... man.. prejudging people..... try becoming a soldier before you bash them.. Im not defending them its just your words are
well not very well thought of. and came out like crap.. try studying both sides and get off david ickes jock.. thats dudes a pimp to.. s

adbasque

13-08-2009, 02:16 PM

im sure i was handed a pretty nice cocktail before i deployed i know i got the smallpox vaccine and all the anthrax shots.
but i never just randomly killed

/But don't tell me that some soldiers aren't drugged to the point where they lose reason, am I wrong/

I have never seen this..and i doubt anyone in this forum has either

i think the reason is much deeper that just being a soldier.
yea soldiers kill i do not doubt that and some kill for lust
but you must also realize
we have sick people in every walk of life doing torture and crimes against other people. to include priests. i bet if you open the news paper the last crime commited in your town was not done by a soldier or veteran.. its a problem with society in my eyes.. plain and simple.. family structures broken..sence of community broken.. moral values replaced by the latest fashion.. music that just sucks.. in order to look at a soldier and say why did he do that.. you must look at the country he comes from and say whats wrong.. soldiers represent their country in more way than one.

i forget the exact numbers but lets say 80 per cent of the army is not even in a combat roll. they spend their deployments in secure areas like baghdad int airport or the green zone doing office work or fixing equiment.

the problem with the "there are more killer soldiers these days" theory is that today we have you tube.. this war is the most public one in the hstory of man. from blogs to embeded reporters. to soldiers shooting video themselves. but i bet if the crusaders had you tube there would be one hell of a story to tell

I think its gonna take the military to get the country back in our hands.. they are sworn to defend against all enemies to include domestic enemies

thank you for the post but please try to think outside the box.. alot of people decieve to instill fear... . the ones in control use it to keep control
people like David Icke use it to sell his theories.. but the sweet truth is in the middle somewhere.. its our job to look through the BS and find it.. reamber evidence can be manipulated by the one presenting it so that his or her theory looks good

peace

I guess we need to be more specific, let me try and put it another way.

Let's say my son, right? He is my flesh and blood decides to join the army and I will have a big row with him about it, but the end of the day it's his choice and life, all I can do is to try and talk him out of it, you agree with me?

Now, when he joins the army, if his superiors gives him and order and I will disagree with it, who is he going to listen to, be honest?
He has his orders to follow, especially in a war time, he loves his dad but, he can be executed if he disobeys orders during war time, or emprisoned whatever.

Now, he is my son, do I agree with what he does? No, is my son a killer, I don't think so, but when he finds himself in situation where he has no choice kill or be killed, he is not a willful killer but he chose that profession knowing the ins and outs.

Ok most people join the army because they love their country etc.. nothing wrong with that, however to fight someone elses war, especially if that war is deemed to be illegal and unjustified.

Why didn't they send their own kids to kill and be killed, I know every soldier has his/her own personal reasons for joining the army.

I nearly did when I was 18, I actually walked into the French foreign legion office, I sat down with a sergeant for about 4 hours talking through the main things, the training, catalogues of pictures, images, articles and few footages of the exercises involved, some real action films too.

I went to lunch came back in the afternoon, I was told everything expected of me, and in a case of a conflict we will be deployed anywhere in the world, at the time there were problems in Jibouti for instance, we are the first to be deployed there.

I left there at 5, went to see a friend of mine who was an ex Legionnaire, we talked for hours, he said if it's the last thing you ever do, please don't join.

He explained certain things to me, he also told me about his own experiences.

The next morning I went back to the FFL headquarters in Marseille that was.
I walked in, ad sat down again, I told them I have changed my mind, they accepted and gave me 14 days to reconsider, my decision, after the 14 days, If I wanted to join again I had to start all over again.

So I left and I am glad I didn't join, not so much afraid of dying, some people fought two three wars and didn't die, but I don't know how I would cope with myself if I ever kill another human being.

We all react differetly, we all cope differently on situations, some people can get back on their feet and life goes on, but some others it will get worse and worse, sometimes for years they have to live with recurring nightmares.

Not to mention the fear of losing all what is human about oneself.

I am not against soldiers per se, as human beings, fathers, sons, etc.., I am against the establishment, the institution itself.

I know most soldiers have feeling they are human, and they have feelings like any other human being, but what worries me, is what we don't see, the programmes behind the scene, because the end of the day, the Elite don't give a shit about you, your son, me, my son.

They only care about themselves, have you seen Tony Bliar sendig his children to that war? Or GW Bush? Or his Father?

If they are sent, is with the ultimate protection, and they are never in real danger, like some members of the royal family here in Britain, they are usually well protected ;)

You're right we need our armed forces to side with us, we have no beef with them, after all they are our sons and daughters, we don't want them any harm, I know damn well that every soldier out there has his mother back home worried sick, and living in fear that anytime the phone will ring telling her what she never want to hear.

When a young soldier dies, his mother has to live with it for the rest of her life.

Does Bush give a shit about her? No he couldn't give a toss, his daughters are safe and well protected and being well educated, or Collin Powell and the others.

We need to re-educate our kids, to not join, but to get the Army now to side with the people I am afraid it's a wishful thinking.

I doubt very much we can do that, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

lost_in_translation

13-08-2009, 02:38 PM

I guess we need to be more specific, let me try and put it another way.

Let's say my son, right? He is my flesh and blood decides to join the army and I will have a big row with him about it, but the end of the day it's his choice and life, all I can do is to try and talk him out of it, you agree with me?

Now, when he joins the army, if his superiors gives him and order and I will disagree with it, who is he going to listen to, be honest?
He has his orders to follow, especially in a war time, he loves his dad but, he can be executed if he disobeys orders during war time, or emprisoned whatever.

Now, he is my son, do I agree with what he does? No, is my son a killer, I don't think so, but when he finds himself in situation where he has no choice kill or be killed, he is not a willful killer but he chose that profession knowing the ins and outs.

Ok most people join the army because they love their country etc.. nothing wrong with that, however to fight someone elses war, especially if that war is deemed to be illegal and unjustified.

Why didn't they send their own kids to kill and be killed, I know every soldier has his/her own personal reasons for joining the army.

I nearly did when I was 18, I actually walked into the French foreign legion office, I sat down with a sergeant for about 4 hours talking through the main things, the training, catalogues of pictures, images, articles and few footages of the exercises involved, some real action films too.

I went to lunch came back in the afternoon, I was told everything expected of me, and in a case of a conflict we will be deployed anywhere in the world, at the time there were problems in Jibouti for instance, we are the first to be deployed there.

I left there at 5, went to see a friend of mine who was an ex Legionnaire, we talked for hours, he said if it's the last thing you ever do, please don't join.

He explained certain things to me, he also told me about his own experiences.

The next morning I went back to the FFL headquarters in Marseille that was.
I walked in, ad sat down again, I told them I have changed my mind, they accepted and gave me 14 days to reconsider, my decision, after the 14 days, If I wanted to join again I had to start all over again.

So I left and I am glad I didn't join, not so much afraid of dying, some people fought two three wars and didn't die, but I don't know how I would cope with myself if I ever kill another human being.

We all react differetly, we all cope differently on situations, some people can get back on their feet and life goes on, but some others it will get worse and worse, sometimes for years they have to live with recurring nightmares.

Not to mention the fear of losing all what is human about oneself.

I am not against soldiers per se, as human beings, fathers, sons, etc.., I am against the establishment, the institution itself.

I know most soldiers have feeling they are human, and they have feelings like any other human being, but what worries me, is what we don't see, the programmes behind the scene, because the end of the day, the Elite don't give a shit about you, your son, me, my son.

They only care about themselves, have you seen Tony Bliar sendig his children to that war? Or GW Bush? Or his Father?

If they are sent, is with the ultimate protection, and they are never in real danger, like some members of the royal family here in Britain, they are usually well protected ;)

You're right we need our armed forces to side with us, we have no beef with them, after all they are our sons and daughters, we don't want them any harm, I know damn well that every soldier out there has his mother back home worried sick, and living in fear that anytime the phone will ring telling her what she never want to hear.

When a young soldier dies, his mother has to live with it for the rest of her life.

Does Bush give a shit about her? No he couldn't give a toss, his daughters are safe and well protected and being well educated, or Collin Powell and the others.

We need to re-educate our kids, to not join, but to get the Army now to side with the people I am afraid it's a wishful thinking.

I doubt very much we can do that, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Ever since joining the army in 2000 i have talked alot of people out of it..

orders can be broken. there was an instance in iraq where a transportation unit did not want to do their job because they had no armor. nothing happened to thse soldiers. and just reciently an officer in the army refused to be deployed because he questions the presidents birth records and his right to be president.he did not deploy. you can disobey orders..

i know what you are talking about and i agree 100 percent stay away from the army until it does its actual job of protecting the rights of its citizens.

I know in the states the regular army can not be deployed against its citizens but the national guard can be called up for service during an emerengcy.. what I have told people about service is if they want to join then they should get a high tech job and not be a ground pounder like I was..
so

being a killer can be justified.. self defence and the defence of someone that you love is a good reason to kill. I would not hesitate to kill for my family to survive.. no question.. but fighting in iraq i realized i wanst fighting terrorists. i had no busines there.. I was fighting people who were without food, jobs. power. gas..their basic were not met so they did what anyone would do..fight back

war is hell and im against it unless someone attacks my home land and i must defend..
it took me going to war to realize that..

please get educated on the military before you try to educate someone.
and i dont mean the education from videos on u tube. look into it from both views the negative and the positive. then based on that.. educate the kids. the truth will set them free.. the recruiters lie.. but so dont the books and videos that we in here hold dear...for some its a good move.. im a free thinker and i questioned my superiors whenever they made stupid mistakes.. thats why i chose to get out. but some need that structure..

also I believe that the military need good people in their ranks to help cure the image and actualy take care of its people..

adbasque

13-08-2009, 03:37 PM

please get educated on the military before you try to educate someone.
and i dont mean the education from videos on u tube. look into it from both views the negative and the positive. then based on that.. educate the kids. the truth will set them free.. the recruiters lie.. but so dont the books and videos that we in here hold dear...for some its a good move.. im a free thinker and i questioned my superiors whenever they made stupid mistakes.. thats why i chose to get out. but some need that structure..

also I believe that the military need good people in their ranks to help cure the image and actualy take care of its people..

I think we all require some education on most aspects that touches our lives, and we need the skills to make rational judgements.

Youtube is not the answer for everything, Google isn't either.
People need to get real education on various subjects.

lost_in_translation

13-08-2009, 03:55 PM

I think we all require some education on most aspects that touches our lives, and we need the skills to make rational judgements.

Youtube is not the answer for everything, Google isn't either.
People need to get real education on various subjects.

to me education comes from living .. get in the streets.. have your children talk to veterans..talk to these people.. learn from their life. because they have no agenda..

cpfc12

13-08-2009, 08:50 PM

CPFC, your are against violence but are quick to attack anyone with aggressiveness and unbalanced comments if they have been involved or have shown some form of negative actions.

This includes subjects you speak about, how can this be because in my eyes it makes you a hypocrite?

Hey im not killing anyone or hurting anyone :)

cpfc12

13-08-2009, 08:55 PM

grachtengordel

14-08-2009, 04:56 PM

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entrangermercenary

15-08-2009, 06:42 PM

I guess we need to be more specific, let me try and put it another way.

Let's say my son, right? He is my flesh and blood decides to join the army and I will have a big row with him about it, but the end of the day it's his choice and life, all I can do is to try and talk him out of it, you agree with me?

Now, when he joins the army, if his superiors gives him and order and I will disagree with it, who is he going to listen to, be honest?
He has his orders to follow, especially in a war time, he loves his dad but, he can be executed if he disobeys orders during war time, or emprisoned whatever.

Now, he is my son, do I agree with what he does? No, is my son a killer, I don't think so, but when he finds himself in situation where he has no choice kill or be killed, he is not a willful killer but he chose that profession knowing the ins and outs.

Ok most people join the army because they love their country etc.. nothing wrong with that, however to fight someone elses war, especially if that war is deemed to be illegal and unjustified.

Why didn't they send their own kids to kill and be killed, I know every soldier has his/her own personal reasons for joining the army.

I nearly did when I was 18, I actually walked into the French foreign legion office, I sat down with a sergeant for about 4 hours talking through the main things, the training, catalogues of pictures, images, articles and few footages of the exercises involved, some real action films too.

I went to lunch came back in the afternoon, I was told everything expected of me, and in a case of a conflict we will be deployed anywhere in the world, at the time there were problems in Jibouti for instance, we are the first to be deployed there.

I left there at 5, went to see a friend of mine who was an ex Legionnaire, we talked for hours, he said if it's the last thing you ever do, please don't join.

He explained certain things to me, he also told me about his own experiences.

The next morning I went back to the FFL headquarters in Marseille that was.
I walked in, ad sat down again, I told them I have changed my mind, they accepted and gave me 14 days to reconsider, my decision, after the 14 days, If I wanted to join again I had to start all over again.So I left and I am glad I didn't join, not so much afraid of dying, some people fought two three wars and didn't die, but I don't know how I would cope with myself if I ever kill another human being.

We all react differetly, we all cope differently on situations, some people can get back on their feet and life goes on, but some others it will get worse and worse, sometimes for years they have to live with recurring nightmares.

Not to mention the fear of losing all what is human about oneself.

I am not against soldiers per se, as human beings, fathers, sons, etc.., I am against the establishment, the institution itself.

I know most soldiers have feeling they are human, and they have feelings like any other human being, but what worries me, is what we don't see, the programmes behind the scene, because the end of the day, the Elite don't give a shit about you, your son, me, my son.

They only care about themselves, have you seen Tony Bliar sendig his children to that war? Or GW Bush? Or his Father?

If they are sent, is with the ultimate protection, and they are never in real danger, like some members of the royal family here in Britain, they are usually well protected ;)

You're right we need our armed forces to side with us, we have no beef with them, after all they are our sons and daughters, we don't want them any harm, I know damn well that every soldier out there has his mother back home worried sick, and living in fear that anytime the phone will ring telling her what she never want to hear.

When a young soldier dies, his mother has to live with it for the rest of her life.

Does Bush give a shit about her? No he couldn't give a toss, his daughters are safe and well protected and being well educated, or Collin Powell and the others.

We need to re-educate our kids, to not join, but to get the Army now to side with the people I am afraid it's a wishful thinking.

I doubt very much we can do that, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Are u fucking sure !!!!!???

SO what did u do walk into the foreign legion recruitment office and watch a film, look at a catalog of some nice pictures. Then lets get this right popped out to lunch and then came back in the afternoon !!

Problems in djibouti for instance eh!!The legion have a permanent base there the 13dble demi brigade legion entrangere. Other regiments go there to do some training Then u walked back into the HQ at MARSEILLE did u ?? Had another chat and told them u changed ur mind ??!! Have u banged your head or what?? Gave u 14 days to change your mind lol.Start over again, lol why what had u done to start over again ?? Its not the fucking boy scouts !!

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/France/Foreign_Legion/2nd_Para.htm

http://www.kepi.cncplusplus.com/FFL%20FAQ.htm#FAQ1

Here is how it actually works

U go in thru the gates. The gates shut... CLANG...Then if u are lucky u may get a bite to eat before cleaning the shit house out or washing up in the kitchen.If that's not done to satisfaction a quick thrappe to the gaul will help for next time (punch in the mouth)Then u will get an informal chat, about 10 mins worth and fill a form out. If u want to leave bye bye, not change your mind in 14 days come back pmsl. Then shipped off to AUGBANE in MARSEILLE for 3 weeks of testing, ie mental, physical and checks by Interpol etc. If u pass all of that, ie only 1 in about 20 plus actually do , u will then go to Castelnaudary to do a 4 mth basic training programme. If u do well u can basically ask for the regiment u want or stay on and do a corporals course.

So what legion were u trying to join then??

U want proof pm me :p

adbasque

15-08-2009, 06:58 PM

Are u fucking sure !!!!!???

SO what did u do walk into the foreign legion recruitment office and watch a film, look at a catalog of some nice pictures. Then lets get this right popped out to lunch and then came back in the afternoon !!

Problems in djibouti for instance eh!!The legion have a permanent base there the 13dble demi brigade legion entrangere. Other regiments go there to do some training Then u walked back into the HQ at MARSEILLE did u ?? Had another chat and told them u changed ur mind ??!! Have u banged your head or what?? Gave u 14 days to change your mind lol.Start over again, lol why what had u done to start over again ?? Its not the fucking boy scouts !!

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/France/Foreign_Legion/2nd_Para.htm

http://www.kepi.cncplusplus.com/FFL%20FAQ.htm#FAQ1

Here is how it actually works

U go in thru the gates. The gates shut... CLANG...Then if u are lucky u may get a bite to eat before cleaning the shit house out or washing up in the kitchen.If that's not done to satisfaction a quick thrappe to the gaul will help for next time (punch in the mouth)Then u will get an informal chat, about 10 mins worth and fill a form out. If u want to leave bye bye, not change your mind in 14 days come back pmsl. Then shipped off to AUGBANE in MARSEILLE for 3 weeks of testing, ie mental, physical and checks by Interpol etc. If u pass all of that, ie only 1 in about 20 plus actually do , u will then go to Castelnaudary to do a 4 mth basic training programme. If u do well u can basically ask for the regiment u want or stay on and do a corporals course.

So what legion were u trying to join then??

U want proof pm me :p

What are you trying to say?
I have told you I had an interview, they talked me through, there was no door shut, nothing, you can walking, there are a series of things you go through if you sign up, which I haven't done.

I'll tell you where the headquarters were, I don't know if they still there, this was 22 years ago. in 1987.
Sorry mate, no doors was shut clang bang wallup. :D
I had a preliminary interview with two guys, and then I changed my mind, and yes I was given 14 days to reconsider, before they destroy my files.

It's in the Corniche area, over looking le Vieux port.

I don't know what you're trying to say, what proof do I need, for what exactly? :rolleyes:
Who said it was a boyscout?
Who said I went to Jibouti?
I don't know what the hell you're talking about

entrangermercenary

15-08-2009, 07:00 PM

Meh most of my life was brought up surrounded by the military, or military topics, i used to hold films like black hawk down on my favourite, but now the older i get, i realised its all forced upon you, and peoples blind ignorance, and willingness to defend the armed forces, such as this link i showed, is scary, as its echoed throughout the nation, even among people on david icke forums it seems. At the same point, if everyone was slating the armed forces, and soldiers as individuals, i probably would spend this time defending them on forums such as these.

What is forced on you?? Is it not you that put black hawk down on your favourites!! Somebody told you to do that did they??

Lets clear things up a little. There are people who in life who have a calling like doctors and nurses, so why not soldiers. Just because some people dont like what they do tough shit.If the human mentality dictated we cd all live in peace ..... fucking great....but alas its not working like that at the moment :(
The Brits on the whole are a very aggressive race naturally. Wether that's centuries of breeding or us getting severely fucked by the vikings and then having there genes who knows :p :)

There are some v good soldiers and civvies out there. There are also lunatics in the military and civvy street.The truth in these conflicts ie Iraq and Afghanistan is most of the casualties are caused by fixed wing aircraft ie Bombers or uav drones and not the man on the ground !! But soldiers do inflict casualties as well but not on the scale of a 5oo pound bomb or a uav launched missile !!

entrangermercenary

15-08-2009, 07:20 PM

What are you trying to say?
I have told you I had an interview, they talked me through, there was no door shut, nothing, you can walking, there are a series of things you go through if you sign up, which I haven't done.

I'll tell you where the headquarters were, I don't know if they still there, this was 22 years ago. in 1987.
Sorry mate, no doors was shut clang bang wallup. :D
I had a preliminary interview with two guys, and then I changed my mind, and yes I was given 14 days to reconsider, before they destroy my files.

It's in the Corniche area, over looking le Vieux port.

I don't know what you're trying to say, what proof do I need, for what exactly? :rolleyes:
Who said it was a boyscout?
Who said I went to Jibouti?
I don't know what the hell you're talking about

1st of all u dont pop out to lunch and comeback in the afternoon!! When u go in thats it. u can have your chat if u dont like what they say its byebye. Not Ill think about it and let u know2morrow!! Fucks sake they wdnt even have opened the door to let u back in once u left !! Do you really think they want u there if u have to go away and think about it :eek:

Run me through it again, so I can actually get my head around what u are saying :D

adbasque

15-08-2009, 07:58 PM

1st of all u dont pop out to lunch and comeback in the afternoon!! When u go in thats it. u can have your chat if u dont like what they say its byebye. Not Ill think about it and let u know2morrow!! Fucks sake they wdnt even have opened the door to let u back in once u left !! Do you really think they want u there if u have to go away and think about it :eek:

Run me through it again, so I can actually get my head around what u are saying :D

I don't care what you want to believe, You're talking as if you run the damn thing, I went to lunch and came back yes, now if you don't want to believe it, do I look like I give a shit?

No with me it was not "that's it bye bye" they were very cool and very understanding.
If things have changed now I have no idea and I couldn't care less to be honest, but 22 years ago that's how it was, you probably weren't even born.
I think you're rude, very!

Next time if you want to show off, try something else.

You talk about it as if you own the damn thing.
I did not say I'll think about, and let you know tomorrow.
They used to give 14 days to reconsider after the 14 days, your file will be destroyed.
In the 80s they needed new recruits.

So don't sit there rudely to tell me what my experiences were.
Anyway I have no time for childish comments like yours.

entrangermercenary

15-08-2009, 08:08 PM

I don't care what you want to believe, You're talking as if you run the damn thing, I went to lunch and came back yes, now if you don't want to believe it, do I look like I give a shit?

No with me it was not "that's it bye bye" they were very cool and very understanding.
If things have changed now I have no idea and I couldn't care less to be honest, but 22 years ago that's how it was, you probably weren't even born.
I think you're rude, very!

Next time if you want to show off, try something else.

You talk about it as if you own the damn thing.

:D very rude sniff bull shit when I read it. I joined in 1984 things did not change in 3 yrs . Dream on sunshine. What I do know that is shite, went back after lunch ffs. I supose u had a coffe as well as biscuts :eek:

Pity u run into some1 who actually served eh!! bet u didnt expect that on this forum pmsl :D

Any way lets get back to your point about the sas killing there own troops still waiting a reply on that !!!! :mad: links.. proof wd b nice :rolleyes:

adbasque

15-08-2009, 08:30 PM

:D very rude sniff bull shit when I read it. I joined in 1984 things did not change in 3 yrs . Dream on sunshine. What I do know that is shite, went back after lunch ffs. I supose u had a coffe as well as biscuts :eek:

Pity u run into some1 who actually served eh!! bet u didnt expect that on this forum pmsl :D

Any way lets get back to your point about the sas killing there own troops still waiting a reply on that !!!! :mad: links.. proof wd b nice :rolleyes:

I don't give a shit what you did, you joined in 1984 or 1923.

What are you talking about pity I ran into some1 who served? I don't believe you have served anywhere to be honest, oh I nearly forgot, you're rude yes.

Maybe they didn't give you a choice, I had a choice to decide whether to join or not.
Nobody goes and signs up straight away unless he is an idiot.
Oh and you did not join in 84, I don't believe you joined at anytime.

And I don't care what you believe :)

SAS go and find out your own links, I don't care if you believe it or not.
I have nothing to prove to you.
Take care now

entrangermercenary

15-08-2009, 08:40 PM

I don't give a shit what you did, you joined in 1984 or 1923.

What are you talking about pity I ran into some1 who served? I don't believe you have served anywhere to be honest, oh I nearly forgot, you're rude yes.

Maybe they didn't give you a choice, I had a choice to decide whether to join or not.
Nobody goes and signs up straight away unless he is an idiot.
Oh and you did not join in 84, I don't believe you joined at anytime.

And I don't care what you believe :)

SAS go and find out your own links, I don't care if you believe it or not.
I have nothing to prove to you.
Take care now

Get back here u pussy :D !! Yawn !! Its the legion u moron choice is not an option. Once u go through the door its shut. U either get kicked out quick. Don't want to join and get shown the door, or u join. There is no comeback 2morrow and chat about it pmsl :D U come on here spouting shit about the sas killing there own troops and put fuck all up about it, no links no support :D

Well as for the legion u plum :D I think there are a few on this forum who are know where and what units I served with, carry on and make an idiot out ov yourself. Had u weighed up as soon as I read the sas post.

U are arguing with the wrong bloke m8 . I unlike u have been both sides of the fence so can talk about it with authority . Not like I wish i think it to b :D

adbasque

15-08-2009, 10:06 PM

Get back here u pussy :D !! Yawn !! Its the legion u moron choice is not an option. Once u go through the door its shut. U either get kicked out quick. Don't want to join and get shown the door, or u join. There is no comeback 2morrow and chat about it pmsl U come on here spouting shit about the sas killing there own troops and put fuck all up about it, no links no support.

Because they do kill their troops when they were given orders.
No links, finding it for yourself you're not worth my time.

So you served with legion, and you think you're going to impress me, only idiots join.
Did you know that? there's nothing to be proud of you moron ;)
When you join you moron there's no come back, I knew that, but I didn't join, that's the difference :D can you see the difference or you've been dumbed down, so you can't even read properly?
I don't think they dumbed you down, anyone who joins that group of scumbags is definitely one of them.

Well as for the legion u plum :D I think there are a few on this forum who are know where and what units I served with, carry on and make an idiot out ov yourself. Had u weighed up as soon as I read the sas post.

Why would I make an idiot out of myself? Lol
Truth hurts doesn't it? Well the Sas it's true, but you wouldn't know that, it goes over your head.
As soon as I read your reply I knew straight away what kind of a guy you were, a little prat full of shit that's all.

Says who? and even if you served so what? impressing yourself are you?
Get over it, this is 2009, ;) you're not special, but nevertheless you're still rude and they obviously didn't teach you any manners.
I take it you speak french very fluently?

U are arguing with the wrong bloke m8 . I unlike u have been both sides of the fence so can talk about it with authority . Not like I wish i think it to b :D

I am not arguing, you came to argue with me, I didn't even know you existed.

Have you forgotten already?

Wow you have been on both sides of the fence, did they do something to you? :D
Talk all you want, you really are full of yourself, aren't you? Impressed? You should know, they only recruit scum bags, there's nothing to be proud of :D

I was young and stupid I nearly made the biggest mistake of my life.
And you're lying too, because there's no such thing as the door shuts, they give you all the time you need to think it over, now if you joined recently I don't know, but when I went I was given time to think about it, and they told me everything that was expected of me, as a new recruit.

There's nothing to be proud of, only idiots join any kind of uniform, didn't you know that? :D

Now piss off and get lost, No need in being polite with prats like you.

You're still a kid that hasn't learnt anything yet.
and if you're old, it's even worse, because you're acting like a real ass***

adbasque

15-08-2009, 11:18 PM

British Chief Police Investigator in Basra dies under mysterious circumstances
He was responsible for the investigation into the two Elite SAS men disguised as Arab "terrorists"

Note: This is not where I heard this story, I heard it from a different source. and this is a different incident, just to show you what your SAS heroes are doing.

Captain Ken Masters, British chief police investigator in Basra died under mysterious circumstances. The cause of death was not mentioned. According to a Ministry of Defense spokesman, his death was "not due to hostile action" nor to natural causes.

Ken Masters was Commanding Officer of the Special Investigation Branch of the Royal Military Police. He was "responsible for the investigation of all in-theatre serious incidents, plus investigations conducted by the General Police Duties element of the Theatre Investigation Group." (Statement of Britain's Ministry of Defense, 16 Oct 2005).

In this capacity, Captain Masters was responsible for investigating the circumstances of the arrest of two undercover elite SAS men, wearing Arab clothing, by Iraqi police in Basra. on September 19 (London Times (17 Oct 2005)..

"The Ministry of Defence refused to reveal details about his [Masters] work but it is believed he was involved in the inquiry into the dramatic rescue of two SAS soldiers held in a prison in Basra." (Daily Mail, 16 Oct 2005)

More here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1100)

Britain "apologizes" for terrorist act in Basra Rescue of SAS men who were planning to place bombs in Basra City Square

John Pilger blames Basra on the British

John Pilger

Is there to be no honest accounting for the events in Basra? Do we simply accept John Reid's customary arrogance?

Here are questions that are not being asked. Were explosives and a remote-control detonator found in the car of the two SAS men "rescued" from prison in Basra on 19 September? If true, what were they planning to do with them? Why did the British army put out an unbelievable version of the circumstances that led up to armoured vehicles smashing down the wall of a prison?

According to the head of Basra's governing council, which has co-operated with the British, five civilians were killed by British soldiers. A judge says nine. How much is an Iraqi life worth? Is there to be no honest accounting in Britain for this sinister event? Do we simply accept the customary arrogance of the Defence Secretary, John Reid? "Iraqi law is very clear," he said. "British personnel are immune from Iraqi legal process." He omitted to say that this fake immunity was invented by Iraq's occupiers.

Watching "embedded" journalists in Iraq and London attempting to protect the British line was like watching a satire of the whole atrocity in Iraq. First, there was feigned shock that the Iraqi regime's "writ" did not run outside its American fortifications in Baghdad and that the "British-trained" police in Basra might be "infiltrated". Jeremy Paxman wanted to know how two British soldiers - in fact, highly suspicious foreigners dressed as Arabs and carrying a small armoury - could possibly be arrested by Iraqi police. "Aren't they supposed to be on our side?" he demanded.

Although reported initially by the Times and the Mail, all mention of the explosives allegedly found in the SAS men's unmarked Cressida vanished from the news. Instead, the story was the danger the men faced if they were handed over to the militia run by the "radical" cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. "Radical" is a gratuitous embedded term; al-Sadr has actually co-operated with the British. What did he have to say about the "rescue"? Quite a lot, none of which was reported in this country. His spokesman Sheikh Hassan al-Zarqani said the SAS men,

Read More (http://www.newstatesman.com/200510030009)

entrangermercenary

16-08-2009, 01:38 PM

:DBritish Chief Police Investigator in Basra dies under mysterious circumstances
He was responsible for the investigation into the two Elite SAS men disguised as Arab "terrorists"

Note: This is not where I heard this story, I heard it from a different source. and this is a different incident, just to show you what your SAS heroes are doing.

More here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1100)

Britain "apologizes" for terrorist act in Basra Rescue of SAS men who were planning to place bombs in Basra City Square

John Pilger blames Basra on the British

John Pilger

Read More (http://www.newstatesman.com/200510030009)

Ahh so u like listening to storys do u . HMM pity jackanory has finished on tv. Obviously u ran home from school to watch it :D
U MUST b thick m8. Where does it say SAS kill there own troops.They were arrested with explosives and weapons in civvy clothes. That is sop for the SAS and other special forces units acting covertly duh !! Of course they go out undercover to kill, thats the job.Heros no, lol why wd they b.?? U have never been in that position, how the hell do u know what goes on.:D

Are u frustrated u didnt join the military then, seems that way :eek: As for you being rude gosh :rolleyes:

As for scumbags joining the Legion lol. Probably one of the most difficult units in the world to join.After your Interpol checks, mental checks ie to c if you can kill women and eat babies for breakfast, and the physical side of things, yep scum of the earth :D. Never mind the schools built in various African countries or aid rendered :D. Which btw when we went back a few mths later were being used as goat and chicken houses :eek:

See how closed your mind is.Ranting at the military. Some good and bad every where . Ive moved on in life, but things need to b said when you talk bull shite :D

marpat

16-08-2009, 03:02 PM

adbasque

16-08-2009, 03:35 PM

:D

Ahh so u like listening to storys do u . HMM pity jackanory has finished on tv. Obviously u ran home from school to watch it :D
U MUST b thick m8. Where does it say SAS kill there own troops.They were arrested with explosives and weapons in civvy clothes. That is sop for the SAS and other special forces units acting covertly duh !! Of course they go out undercover to kill, thats the job.Heros no, lol why wd they b.?? U have never been in that position, how the hell do u know what goes on.

Are u frustrated u didnt join the military then, seems that way :eek: As for you being rude gosh :rolleyes:

As for scumbags joining the Legion lol. Probably one of the most difficult units in the world to join.After your Interpol checks, mental checks ie to c if you can kill women and eat babies for breakfast, and the physical side of things, yep scum of the earth :D. Never mind the schools built in various African countries or aid rendered :D. Which btw when we went back a few mths later were being used as goat and chicken houses :eek:

See how closed your mind is.Ranting at the military. Some good and bad every where . Ive moved on in life, but things need to b said when you talk bull shite :D

If you weren't thick and could read, I have shown you what some SAS do, I said it clearly this is a different incident.
:) get a life mate :D
I am not even going to bother to reply to the rest of your gibberish.
I am not in that position because I did not join that profession if they want to call it a job, those positions go with the territory, put up or shut up, that's the deal don't moan.

I don't want to hear excuses.

adbasque

16-08-2009, 03:42 PM

:D

Ahh so u like listening to storys do u . HMM pity jackanory has finished on tv. Obviously u ran home from school to watch it
U MUST b thick m8. Where does it say SAS kill there own troops.They were arrested with explosives and weapons in civvy clothes. That is sop for the SAS and other special forces units acting covertly duh !! Of course they go out undercover to kill, thats the job.Heros no, lol why wd they b.?? U have never been in that position, how the hell do u know what goes on.:D

Are u frustrated u didnt join the military then, seems that way :eek: As for you being rude gosh :rolleyes:

As for scumbags joining the Legion lol. Probably one of the most difficult units in the world to join.After your Interpol checks, mental checks ie to c if you can kill women and eat babies for breakfast, and the physical side of things, yep scum of the earth :D. Never mind the schools built in various African countries or aid rendered :D. Which btw when we went back a few mths later were being used as goat and chicken houses :eek:

See how closed your mind is.Ranting at the military. Some good and bad every where . Ive moved on in life, but things need to b said when you talk bull shite :D

You are lying for a start and I can prove it right here.

Most of the legionnaires are ex convicts, they were taken out of prisons, some who escaped from prisons joined, and once they join, they are untouchable by any civil law.

So they don't check interpol, that's a flaw in your lies :D, now I know you have never joined them. or you have no idea what really goes on within the FL.

You can ask anyone, and you will see they often, and majority of their recruits are, political refugees, ex convicts, murderers and so on, even some mentaly unstable people, which throws your second lie about mental checks, they check if you are able to take on the job, a psychological profiling, look it up.

The Crazier you are the better for them, they do not check with interpol, unless they are doing it now, never before in the history of the FL.
:D

entrangermercenary

16-08-2009, 03:58 PM

You are lying for a start and I can prove it right here.

Most of the legionnaires are ex convicts, they were taken out of prisons, some who escaped from prisons joined, and once they join, they are untouchable by any civil law.

So they don't check interpol, that's a flaw in your lies :D, now I know you have never joined them. or you have no idea what really goes on within the FL.

You can ask anyone, and you will see they often, and majority of their recruits are, political refugees, ex convicts, murderers and so on, even some mentaly unstable people, which throws your second lie about mental checks, they check if you are able to take on the job, a psychological profiling, look it up.

The Crazier you are the better for them, they do not check with interpol, unless they are doing it now, never before in the history of the FL.
:D

Thought u were not going to reply pmsl :D Seems to me u are getting your info from beau geste :cool:

U will find most legionaries are ex military before they join up having served in there own countries armed forces in various aspects !!
:D as for covert ops, I know a bit more than you on that score ;)

So basically Im a lying, rude scumbag :D ??

adbasque

16-08-2009, 04:03 PM

What I dont get is why people think the SAS would need to kill British troops to prolong the conflict. All they would need to do is plant bombs in rival sectarian areas and cause them to fight each other then there would be an excuse to hang around to keep them apart.

It's not just about prolonging the war, but SAS were caught firing at their own troops, reasons can vary.

There possible answers to why they would do it.
Let's say some commanders disagree and one tries to undermine the other, corruption, maybe a group found out some corruption and then decided to eliminate the witnesses, and many more reasons.

Corruption always occur during wars, some American soldiers killed other troops during the Vietnam war.

The whole idea of them killing their own guys is nothing but a sad fantasy. The death of British soldiers would not prolong the conflict but it would turn public opinion more against the war and make sure labour never get into power next time. Not only that but it would deplete the army during a period of chornic manpower shortages and place a greater strain on the situation.

Now please tell me why would it be my fantasy?
I wish they didn't go out there to be killed at all.
So where is my fantasy?
I am not saying every SAS is corrupt, or every SAS is mad dog, I am talking mainly about those who give them orders and special missions.

I don't even blame the agents who take the action, maybe they were forced to do such things.

adbasque

16-08-2009, 04:10 PM

Thought u were not going to reply pmsl :D Seems to me u are getting your info from beau geste :cool:

U will find most legionaries are ex military before they join up having served in there own countries armed forces in various aspects !!
:D as for covert ops, I know a bit more than you on that score ;)

So basically Im a lying, rude scumbag :D ??

Some are ex army officers, most of them ex convicts, basically from all walks of life, but the majority are ex convicts or those who fled political persecution.

Yes you lied, and you're angry because you're caught, why the scumbag otherwise? :D

Anyway, I am not really interested in your life mate.
But don't treat others of lying when you don't know them.
Now let's both of us take a hike lol

entrangermercenary

16-08-2009, 04:39 PM

Some are ex army officers, most of them ex convicts, basically from all walks of life, but the majority are ex convicts or those who fled political persecution.

Yes you lied, and you're angry because you're caught, why the scumbag otherwise? :D

Anyway, I am not really interested in your life mate.
But don't treat others of lying when you don't know them.
Now let's both of us take a hike lol

Have u finished watching beau geste yet ?? Are you realy sure im lying :D Hmm :eek:

marpat

16-08-2009, 09:06 PM

It's not just about prolonging the war, but SAS were caught firing at their own troops, reasons can vary.

There possible answers to why they would do it.
Let's say some commanders disagree and one tries to undermine the other, corruption, maybe a group found out some corruption and then decided to eliminate the witnesses, and many more reasons.

Corruption always occur during wars, some American soldiers killed other troops during the Vietnam war.

Now please tell me why would it be my fantasy?
I wish they didn't go out there to be killed at all.
So where is my fantasy?
I am not saying every SAS is corrupt, or every SAS is mad dog, I am talking mainly about those who give them orders and special missions.

I don't even blame the agents who take the action, maybe they were forced to do such things.

But you said they were in a car and that they fired at people in Iraqi police uniforms when approached. Why would the police walk over to a car if people are firing?

Why would it be your fantasy? because you want to believe that western troops are the embodiement of all that is evil perhaps, like most clueless people in the forum seem to think. As for orders, people in the forces are taught to disobey illegal orders should they be given.

Just because something happened in vietnam it does not mean that such is happening anywhere else.

I still say the accusation is crap purely because the police who made the claim were busted for running a death squad and were about to be shut down. It is far more likely that the SAS had been tasked to observe the corrupt police unit while they were carrying out their illegal acts and then using that information as evidence of what was going on, as this is typical of their work.

adbasque

16-08-2009, 09:32 PM

But you said they were in a car and that they fired at people in Iraqi police uniforms when approached. Why would the police walk over to a car if people are firing?

I am not sure where you got this from, I did not say they were firing, this is a completely different incident to the one I was referring to.

I said sas killed British troops, one has nothing to do with the other.
Please don't mix the two

Why would it be your fantasy? because you want to believe that western troops are the embodiement of all that is evil perhaps, like most clueless people in the forum seem to think. As for orders, people in the forces are taught to disobey illegal orders should they be given.
Why would I believe that? where do you think I am from?
I am not attacking individual soldiers, I am attacking the establishment, which no doubt you agree with me, wrong?
Yes at the moment it's our troops that are deployed in those countries, invading other nations, not the other way around.
The wars were illegal to start with, weren't they?
Why didn't they disobey orders then and have a moral objection to the invasion?

Just because something happened in vietnam it does not mean that such is happening anywhere else.

I still say the accusation is crap purely because the police who made the claim were busted for running a death squad and were about to be shut down. It is far more likely that the SAS had been tasked to observe the corrupt police unit while they were carrying out their illegal acts and then using that information as evidence of what was going on, as this is typical of their work.

Not just in vietnam it did happen even in NI Northern Ireland, except they don't talk about it.

I have a Welsh friend who has a son in the army and has been deployed to Iraq, he said these attacks on British troops are very frequent by some secret agents.

Whenever they want to shift some political views.

marpat

16-08-2009, 10:09 PM

I am not sure where you got this from, I did not say they were firing, this is a completely different incident to the one I was referring to.

I said sas killed British troops, one has nothing to do with the other.
Please don't mix the two

Why would I believe that? where do you think I am from?
I am not attacking individual soldiers, I am attacking the establishment, which no doubt you agree with me, wrong?
Yes at the moment it's our troops that are deployed in those countries, invading other nations, not the other way around.
The wars were illegal to start with, weren't they?
Why didn't they disobey orders then and have a moral objection to the invasion?

Not just in vietnam it did happen even in NI Northern Ireland, except they don't talk about it.

I have a Welsh friend who has a son in the army and has been deployed to Iraq, he said these attacks on British troops are very frequent by some secret agents.

Whenever they want to shift some political views.

So how does he know if these are secret agents doing it? not very secret are they? what he might mean are Iranian secret agents who are supplying weapons and training to the insurgents. If he thought that they wer being attacked by our own troops then why is he not flagging this up all over the place?

You get second hand information that could mean anything then try to use it to suit your own agenda.

If people have a moral objection to their job then they should just leave. The legalities are sorted out at government level by barristers and the like, people far more qualified and knowledgable abut law than most military people. The buck stops with the government not the troops, who many feel fit to condemn.

adbasque

16-08-2009, 10:24 PM

So how does he know if these are secret agents doing it? not very secret are they? what he might mean are Iranian secret agents who are supplying weapons and training to the insurgents. If he thought that they wer being attacked by our own troops then why is he not flagging this up all over the place?
No, he did not mean any foreign secret agents, obviously they were either caught or exposed.
That doesn't mean it happened where he is, but they hear about these things.

You get second hand information that could mean anything then try to use it to suit your own agenda.

And what is my agenda? I don't have an agenda, I am merely sharing what I know, you obviously can accept that "The British" troops can be evil and do evil, well my friend I have some news for you, soldiers are soldiers, even if sometimes they don't want to do something, they do it when the order is given.
So please stop finding excuses, it doesn't make me any happier by admitting when I see something wrong.

If people have a moral objection to their job then they should just leave. The legalities are sorted out at government level by barristers and the like, people far more qualified and knowledgable abut law than most military people. The buck stops with the government not the troops, who many feel fit to condemn.

I did not ask you how they should proceed, I said if they really didn't want to go, why not disobey their orders?
You said they can disobey orders, but they didn't.
that was just my point, and despite your accusations, I do not have an agenda, I do not wish to see our kids killed or killing others.
That doesn't seem to bother you so long as it's not your son/daughter.

grachtengordel

17-08-2009, 01:44 PM

Have u finished watching beau geste yet ?? Are you realy sure im lying :D Hmm :eek:

I think you are lying. You are obviously a fantasist, a deluded fool with no genuine experience of war or military life.
Adbasques posts lead me to believe he is genuine and he seems like an intelligent guy with not much to prove, so I take his words as true

you however have consistantly shown yourself to be a pretender, a liar and a fraud. you are a joke

+ Wotz wv da txt-spk? u rite lk a T-n@gEr

entrangermercenary

17-08-2009, 04:35 PM

entrangermercenary

17-08-2009, 10:14 PM

I think you are lying. You are obviously a fantasist, a deluded fool with no genuine experience of war or military life.
Adbasques posts lead me to believe he is genuine and he seems like an intelligent guy with not much to prove, so I take his words as true

you however have consistantly shown yourself to be a pretender, a liar and a fraud. you are a joke

+ Wotz wv da txt-spk? u rite lk a T-n@gEr

Its always wise to engage brain before putting a big fucking foot in ones even bigger gob :D The name should give it away, but then im a how did you say

You are obviously a fantasist, a deluded fool with no genuine experience of war or military life :D oops

entrangermercenary

17-08-2009, 10:18 PM

Some are ex army officers, most of them ex convicts, basically from all walks of life, but the majority are ex convicts or those who fled political persecution.

Yes you lied, and you're angry because you're caught, why the scumbag otherwise? :D

Anyway, I am not really interested in your life mate.
But don't treat others of lying when you don't know them.
Now let's both of us take a hike lol

And as for u lol what the fuck do u know eh!! Keep reading the books and films for your info. 4000 posts jesus christ if the last few are anything to go by the rest must b really full of shite :D

adbasque

17-08-2009, 11:50 PM

And as for u lol what the fuck do u know eh!! Keep reading the books and films for your info. 4000 posts jesus christ if the last few are anything to go by the rest must b really full of shite :D

Grow up and act your age, if you're as old as you claim to be.

Don't worry too much about what I know.

I read, I learn and I experience.
I don't fantasise.

entrangermercenary

18-08-2009, 03:33 AM

Grow up and act your age, if you're as old as you claim to be.

Don't worry too much about what I know.

I read, I learn and I experience.
I don't fantasise.

Seems u are missing the point :D Your last few posts are complete fabrication so if your last few are... what are the other 4000k :eek:

U read, u learn, u experience, pmsl. Now we are getting somewhere.:D Your experience comes from books, yes I can c it now. Beau geste lol, wasnt there a bit in there about an officer joining the ranks :eek:
In my experience, ie real life experience , never did I ever come across any1 who claimed to b an ex officer in any army, navy, airforce, salvation army or boy scout unit.
AS for legionaries coming from all walks of life. Well the majority are ex military, v few have no military experience .

cpfc12

26-08-2009, 12:07 AM

Seems u are missing the point :D Your last few posts are complete fabrication so if your last few are... what are the other 4000k :eek:

U read, u learn, u experience, pmsl. Now we are getting somewhere.:D Your experience comes from books, yes I can c it now. Beau geste lol, wasnt there a bit in there about an officer joining the ranks :eek:
In my experience, ie real life experience , never did I ever come across any1 who claimed to b an ex officer in any army, navy, airforce, salvation army or boy scout unit.
AS for legionaries coming from all walks of life. Well the majority are ex military, v few have no military experience .

i can tell from the grammer in your post that "U read" . its amusing how people are so quick to defend the armed forces, pretty much all of the public does it, even on david icke forums, the training consists of learning how to use weapons that tear off limbs and kill, so don't give me all the bs about learning how to be courageous or whatever the token phrases are now that the mainstream media uses to brainwash us.
I have mates in the forces, and some members of my family where in there, and i can appreciate that there are some decent people in the forces, but the arrogance that some people have ex military, civvy, whatever lot have, just pisses me off, the whole moral decorium of the military, is a load of bollocks, if your fighting for the armed forces, you are worse than the politicians who sent you there, the public, the police, the traffic wardens, they have destroyed your vision of choice.
Worse of all, those who choose speak out against the armed forces and not join up, are labelled as scum, they are heroes in my opinion

entrangermercenary

26-08-2009, 08:38 AM

i can tell from the grammer in your post that "U read" . its amusing how people are so quick to defend the armed forces, pretty much all of the public does it, even on david icke forums, the training consists of learning how to use weapons that tear off limbs and kill, so don't give me all the bs about learning how to be courageous or whatever the token phrases are now that the mainstream media uses to brainwash us.
I have mates in the forces, and some members of my family where in there, and i can appreciate that there are some decent people in the forces, but the arrogance that some people have ex military, civvy, whatever lot have, just pisses me off, the whole moral decorium of the military, is a load of bollocks, if your fighting for the armed forces, you are worse than the politicians who sent you there, the public, the police, the traffic wardens, they have destroyed your vision of choice.
Worse of all, those who choose speak out against the armed forces and not join up, are labelled as scum, they are heroes in my opinion

Hello Nigel lol :D

So grammar has to b correct know does it ;). How about reading my post again and then digesting it , instead of thinking you are a highly intellectual crystal palace fan. :D

The reference to " U READ" was for adbasque who says he reads and learns. To fucking much of that on this forum and not enough real life input or experience.

So where did I use the phrase courageous ?? Do you feel brainwashed then ??

Destroyed my vision of choice !! :eek: My choice was to get a bus to 1 war zone to fight against a certain government lol. No body has interfered with my choice, I chose to do things I want.!!!

Of course the military kill that is there primary objective, but they also do a hell of a lot of other things as well. This is what people cant get there heads around.!!

Do you feel like scum ?? TBH people have there opinions I don't label any1 as scum. Every 1 has a different path in this life, wow wouldn't it be great if we were all the same.

cpfc12

26-08-2009, 02:57 PM

Hello Nigel lol :D

So grammar has to b correct know does it ;). How about reading my post again and then digesting it , instead of thinking you are a highly intellectual crystal palace fan. :D

The reference to " U READ" was for adbasque who says he reads and learns. To fucking much of that on this forum and not enough real life input or experience.

So where did I use the phrase courageous ?? Do you feel brainwashed then ??

Destroyed my vision of choice !! :eek: My choice was to get a bus to 1 war zone to fight against a certain government lol. No body has interfered with my choice, I chose to do things I want.!!!

Of course the military kill that is there primary objective, but they also do a hell of a lot of other things as well. This is what people cant get there heads around.!!

Do you feel like scum ?? TBH people have there opinions I don't label any1 as scum. Every 1 has a different path in this life, wow wouldn't it be great if we were all the same.

Alright, i quoted you but i was directing all my comments to you, it wasn't meant to be personal, more to the people who commented on the original article itself. leaving comments such as "the british army does not do murder"
I always used to get my head around the other things that the army did, this is what encouraged me to join, and i am sure many others to. And no i don't feel brainwashed, however its obvious how they are trying to work on me and many others. The cathars where wiped out by soldiers sent by the pope, these were peaceful humans who were vegans !, yet they were still killed by people, who were promised to go to heaven, and have all their sins pardoned by the pope, along with a healthy wage, of course most of these people who where given the authority by the pope and wore the uniform did the killing.

Now i am not saying the taliban or al queda are anyway comparable to the cathars, but i am saying that the same forms of manipulation are current today, but in different forms, by the constant barrage of biased war films, constant advertising that focus on the economic reasons why you should join the army (funny during a recession), and most of all the clear for all to kill for the government's/cooperate interests. And some (not all !) are having this arrogant god's gift atttiude, some of my mates joining the army, are good people, but there are some i know, who where nasty coward bullys at school and have even said themselves that they just want to shoot some Pak*s.

I still stick by my comment earlier on, on a different thread, we are all being manipulated, espescially if we are on these forums, but just on different degrees. I don't want any soldiers being harmed in iraq or afghanistan, not at all. They along with everyone else who works for the government are being f*cked over the most, as they are the most brainwashed. However the way people are reacting to cases such as the original article, the little media attention, and as i mentioned before certain individuals joining, you gotta admit its concerning, when all you have to do is look at history !

Oh yeh if you wish i can come across as a lowly intellectual palace fan in future posts, and respond in moonspeak such as
joos = jews
Ii: I
Ting= thing/stuff
x= sign of affection
da = the
so on, so on ...

beldazar

27-08-2009, 08:59 PM

Grow up and act your age, if you're as old as you claim to be.

Don't worry too much about what I know.

I read, I learn and I experience.
I don't fantasise.

Entrangermercenary is who he says he is, Ive seen him in action as it happens, as a young man and also other things (cant say too much)
He is as old as he says he is, if not older, PMSL!!! (hehe dont hit me EM)

you are being very unfair here, you know as well as I do how brainwashed people have been with society dressing up heroes but not only that...EM has gone into this with me as to why he joined up, where his motives lay, what he wanted to accomplish etc.....

IT WAS TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGE WHO WERE GETTING MASSACRED!....or at least this is what was implied. This is what he was led to believe. It wasnt to bully others around or to call the shots, or to exert control over other people.

I know plenty of people who want to become macho plastic soldier bully-boys and EM is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE THAT!
I have had several to and fro conversations with him on the subject since I am anti-war. anti army and men in uniform dont impress me much!

He certainly DOESNT deserve to be spoken to in this way as it is plain to see that his programming runs very deep. For one, he can never stay away from these bloody threads!!!

and who the fuck cares if he is acting childish? I say NICE ONE!!! Im never bloody growing up either :p :p :p

If you met EM, you would realise he isnt your stereotypical ex. army bloke but actually a quiet, gentle, nice guy.

adbasque

27-08-2009, 09:45 PM

Entrangermercenary is who he says he is, Ive seen him in action as it happens, as a young man and also other things (cant say too much)
He is as old as he says he is, if not older, PMSL!!! (hehe dont hit me EM)

you are being very unfair here, you know as well as I do how brainwashed people have been with society dressing up heroes but not only that...EM has gone into this with me as to why he joined up, where his motives lay, what he wanted to accomplish etc.....

IT WAS TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGE WHO WERE GETTING MASSACRED!....or at least this is what was implied. This is what he was led to believe. It wasnt to bully others around or to call the shots, or to exert control over other people.

I know plenty of people who want to become macho plastic soldier bully-boys and EM is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE THAT!
I have had several to and fro conversations with him on the subject since I am anti-war. anti army and men in uniform dont impress me much!

He certainly DOESNT deserve to be spoken to in this way as it is plain to see that his programming runs very deep. For one, he can never stay away from these bloody threads!!!

and who the fuck cares if he is acting childish? I say NICE ONE!!! Im never bloody growing up either :p :p :p

If you met EM, you would realise he isnt your stereotypical ex. army bloke but actually a quiet, gentle, nice guy.

I have no doubt he is a nice guy but he doesn't know me either to imply I am a liar, I never said I was a soldier, I said I nearly joined, and I maintain what I I said about the FL, most of them are ex convicts, people who are fleeing political persecution, civil courts and so on.. I didn't make these things up, I have been informed of these things when I went to join.

I said to him I am not impressed, soldiers do not impress me, he started attacking people he doesn't know.

I also said to him several times I wasn't interested in his career or his personal life.

I don't think I have been unfair to him, if you followed the topic from when he started.

I am against wars
I am against "the Army" not individuals
And a soldier is a soldier I don't care where he is from, they are trained to take lives, that's their main purpose, so anyone who joins the army and brags about it, has no respect in my eyes.

I have many friends who were ex soldiers, they all regret their careers.
The people who make wars, never send their kids to war and even if they are sent to war they usually are extremely well protected.

Never they put them in harms way.

So every soldier should think before they join, I know they target young kids without any experience of life and they raise them and train them to kill, they turn them into killing machines

As for his age, he maybe as old as he claims, then he should act his age when he talks to people he doesn't know.

We all like to have fun but not at the expense of someone else.
Anyway, we were here to talk about the British soldiers torturing prisoners and innocent people, as the OP stated, not people's professional lives.

Peace :)

entrangermercenary

27-08-2009, 10:34 PM

I have no doubt he is a nice guy but he doesn't know me either to imply I am a liar, I never said I was a soldier, I said I nearly joined, and I maintain what I I said about the FL, most of them are ex convicts, people who are fleeing political persecution, civil courts and so on.. I didn't make these things up, I have been informed of these things when I went to join.

I said to him I am not impressed, soldiers do not impress me, he started attacking people he doesn't know.

I also said to him several times I wasn't interested in his career or his personal life.

I don't think I have been unfair to him, if you followed the topic from when he started.

I am against wars
I am against "the Army" not individuals
And a soldier is a soldier I don't care where he is from, they are trained to take lives, that's their main purpose, so anyone who joins the army and brags about it, has no respect in my eyes.

I have many friends who were ex soldiers, they all regret their careers.
The people who make wars, never send their kids to war and even if they are sent to war they usually are extremely well protected.

Never they put them in harms way.

So every soldier should think before they join, I know they target young kids without any experience of life and they raise them and train them to kill, they turn them into killing machines

As for his age, he maybe as old as he claims, then he should act his age when he talks to people he doesn't know.

We all like to have fun but not at the expense of someone else.
Anyway, we were here to talk about the British soldiers torturing prisoners and innocent people, as the OP stated, not people's professional lives.

Peace :)

BOO HOO FFS started attacking people I didnt know lol Correcting bullshite its called . While Im at it where is that other prick gracht whatever it is. HE soon fucked off after a few pms asking for an apology !! People can throw shit about any1 the problem is I have the proof to validate my claims :D

You on the other hand just read !!

Quote from you Adbasque

I read, I learn and I experience.
I don't fantasise

So I fantasise do I ??

Another quote from you Adbasque

Some are ex army officers, most of them ex convicts, basically from all walks of life, but the majority are ex convicts or those who fled political persecution.

Yes you lied, and you're angry because you're caught, why the scumbag otherwise?

Ill tell you again so u can get it through that thick fucking head of yours :D There was no serving ex army officers. Most were ex military soldiers from various countries. Why take ex cons ffs. They have people from all over the world trying to join. THEY CAN TAKE THERE PICK :D
Political persecution, out of 1100 men in the REP only 1 was there for that and he was from Cambodia.

I lied did I ??

Ok pmsl so are we to believe some1 who claims they went to join or some1 who actually served :D

What the fuck are you on about bragging. Im correcting your inaccuracies something you didnt expect to happen. Just thought you could come on a print any old shit for poeple to swallow :D

Oh btw I also fought with the mujahideen, Allah zu Bosnia, lol Mr Muslim man. Pity more of your brothers didn't help out eh, just leave it to us non-believers :eek:

I have all the proof of this if required, have you any proof except for your beau geste book :D

As you so delicately put it Take a hike ouch :D

adbasque

27-08-2009, 11:12 PM

BOO HOO FFS started attacking people I didnt know lol Correcting bullshite its called . While Im at it where is that other prick gracht whatever it is. HE soon fucked off after a few pms asking for an apology !! People can throw shit about any1 the problem is I have the proof to validate my claims

I don't know about other people, I am not responsible what others do.

You on the other hand just read !!

Quote from you Adbasque

I read, I learn and I experience.
I don't fantasise

So I fantasise do I ??

I don't care if you fantasise or not, you don't know me, don't judge me, if you enjoy this kind of bickering, well I don't, and I am not interested at all in your career, your life or what you can and can't do, what don't you get this in your thick head, this is a forum people are NOT interested in others' lives :)

Another quote from you Adbasque

Some are ex army officers, most of them ex convicts, basically from all walks of life, but the majority are ex convicts or those who fled political persecution.

Yes you lied, and you're angry because you're caught, why the scumbag otherwise?

Yes if you learnt to speak to people with a little bit of respect instead of thinking that the world revolves around you, then we can perhaps have a genuine adult like conversation, but you're not acting your age.

Ill tell you again so u can get it through that thick fucking head of yours :D There was no serving ex army officers. Most were ex military soldiers from various countries. Why take ex cons ffs. They have people from all over the world trying to join. THEY CAN TAKE THERE PICK :D
Political persecution, out of 1100 men in the REP only 1 was there for that and he was from Cambodia.

Well I don't care what you're telling me, I don't know you, I know what I have been told, that's what I believe, there are ex convicts.
Yes they can pick and choose when they have a choice sometimes they don't, even the army sometimes they can choose when they have more applicants, but sometimes they don't have many applicants so they don't pick and choose.

I lied did I ??

Yes you lied or you don't know as much as you claim, it's not because you joined that means you know what's really going on, there are levels wakey wakey,
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Ok pmsl so are we to believe some1 who claims they went to join or some1 who actually served

I don't care what you believe, and until now, I haven't seen any proof and even if you have joined, it doesn't mean shit, people were in the army all their lives and didn't know sod all ;)

What the fuck are you on about bragging. Im correcting your inaccuracies something you didnt expect to happen. Just thought you could come on a print any old shit for poeple to swallow

I didn't print any shit for anyone, I merely included my near big mistake, and you jumped at the opportunity to brag and by calling others liars.

Even if you served there are millions who have served, so what? impressing yourself are you? :D

Read my lips, NOBODY HERE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR SHIT CAREER Lol

You are not correcting my inaccuracies, I haven't lied, if I lied that means they lied to me during the interview, and I have met a lot of people who joined, and they confirmed what I have been told.

You see you are bragging about it and showing off, the way you go on about it as if you own the damn thing :D

Oh btw I also fought with the mujahideen, Allah zu Bosnia, lol Mr Muslim man. Pity more of your brothers didn't help out eh, just leave it to us non-believers :eek:

Yeah, you're not bragging it just my imagination, if that isn't bragging I don't know what is then, the truth is you haven't grown up, you're probably in your mid 40s but mentally you sound like a 9 year old.

You're an arrogant sod sorry, go and impress people like you, you're not worth shit here with me lol

I have all the proof of this if required, have you any proof except for your beau geste book :D

As you so delicately put it Take a hike ouch :D

I don't need your proof, you joined? So what? Get over it grow up
and for your fucking information I don't know who your beau gest is, never heard of him and I am not likely to find out either, you know why? Because I have no fucking interest in soldiers, people like you, you should be ashamed of yourself, killing people, you think that is a job to be proud of?? you little moron

And now take a hike, get lost

PS: learn to talk to people next time, you're nothing you're not so special, grow up.
People been involved in many wars and they never mention them unless they were asked, you hover the forums to see if you can find a way to brag and perhaps impress young kids and young chicks.

I have seen lot of your kind, if you have kids, you're not setting a good example.

I don't have proof because I didn't join, I didn't serve, I wasn't a moron like you.
You know what you can do with your proof :D

Now get lost, you will be added to my ignore list, you have derailed the Topic and I don't want to be part of it.

Find someone else and do it

entrangermercenary

28-08-2009, 11:10 PM

I don't know about other people, I am not responsible what others do.

I don't care if you fantasise or not, you don't know me, don't judge me, if you enjoy this kind of bickering, well I don't, and I am not interested at all in your career, your life or what you can and can't do, what don't you get this in your thick head, this is a forum people are NOT interested in others' lives :)

Yes if you learnt to speak to people with a little bit of respect instead of thinking that the world revolves around you, then we can perhaps have a genuine adult like conversation, but you're not acting your age.

Well I don't care what you're telling me, I don't know you, I know what I have been told, that's what I believe, there are ex convicts.
Yes they can pick and choose when they have a choice sometimes they don't, even the army sometimes they can choose when they have more applicants, but sometimes they don't have many applicants so they don't pick and choose.

Yes you lied or you don't know as much as you claim, it's not because you joined that means you know what's really going on, there are levels wakey wakey,

I don't care what you believe, and until now, I haven't seen any proof and even if you have joined, it doesn't mean shit, people were in the army all their lives and didn't know sod all ;)

I didn't print any shit for anyone, I merely included my near big mistake, and you jumped at the opportunity to brag and by calling others liars.

Even if you served there are millions who have served, so what? impressing yourself are you? :D

Read my lips, NOBODY HERE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR SHIT CAREER Lol

You are not correcting my inaccuracies, I haven't lied, if I lied that means they lied to me during the interview, and I have met a lot of people who joined, and they confirmed what I have been told.

You see you are bragging about it and showing off, the way you go on about it as if you own the damn thing :D

Yeah, you're not bragging it just my imagination, if that isn't bragging I don't know what is then, the truth is you haven't grown up, you're probably in your mid 40s but mentally you sound like a 9 year old.

You're an arrogant sod sorry, go and impress people like you, you're not worth shit here with me lol

I don't need your proof, you joined? So what? Get over it grow up
and for your fucking information I don't know who your beau gest is, never heard of him and I am not likely to find out either, you know why? Because I have no fucking interest in soldiers, people like you, you should be ashamed of yourself, killing people, you think that is a job to be proud of?? you little moron

And now take a hike, get lost

PS: learn to talk to people next time, you're nothing you're not so special, grow up.
People been involved in many wars and they never mention them unless they were asked, you hover the forums to see if you can find a way to brag and perhaps impress young kids and young chicks.

I have seen lot of your kind, if you have kids, you're not setting a good example.

I don't have proof because I didn't join, I didn't serve, I wasn't a moron like you.
You know what you can do with your proof :D

Now get lost, you will be added to my ignore list, you have derailed the Topic and I don't want to be part of it.

Find someone else and do it[/QUOTE]

entrangermercenary

28-08-2009, 11:16 PM

Well,well, well, well , well I promised a much respected friend on this forum who has helped me with advice and input when required that I would not reply anymore to this thread. Thanks Bel your advice is always appreciated xx :)
A promise is a promise but............................................:ee k:.. YEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :D Thanks again BEL :)

beldazar

28-08-2009, 11:19 PM

grachtengordel

29-08-2009, 12:32 PM

Read my lips, NOBODY HERE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR SHIT CAREER Lol

How can anyone "read your lips" when you are writing the words?

why do you think anyone is interested in your (imagined) 'career' ?

yet another sad faker who doesn't like their fragile virtual reality questioned

why care so much about what strangers on an internet forum think?

I haven't lied,

er, maybe you should read back over your posts before you set yourself up for yet another almighty fall

if that isn't bragging I don't know what is then,

Yup, you probably don't know, because YOU do it all the time and cannot possibley face the reality of what you are, a poser, a fake, a bluffer, a bragger, a bullshit artist, a sad 'walter mitty' character

the truth is you haven't grown up, you're probably in your mid 40s but mentally you sound like a 9 year old.

says the 'man' who writes in children's 'text-speak' and peppers each post with 'lol' like a teenage girl

you still fantasise that it is you in all those 'mcnabb' books, war stories for boys

PS: learn to talk to people next time, you're nothing you're not so special, grow up.

learn to PUNCTUATE dullard, maybe the battlefield is the best place for you, improving the 'gene pool' and all that

entrangermercenary

29-08-2009, 03:09 PM

grachtengordel

29-08-2009, 04:31 PM

:D Cant argue with u at all a promise is a promise :D. Pmsl Mr Gratchengordal I suggest u go back a page tho and read all the posts.

no time for that, I'm just here to educate

It was Adbasque who wrote all that u have quoted :D :eek: I was replying to that but had to edit it and it came out as tho I had posted.

maybe so, essentially you mis-represented yourself yet again

:D :eek:

how old are you? I don't know many grown men who would emulate such infantile trends as making 'smiley faces' out of the available symbols on their keyboard. maybe its true, all these military types do 'bat for the other team'

keep up the intelligent posting

adbasque

29-08-2009, 09:54 PM

:D Cant argue with u at all a promise is a promise :D. Pmsl Mr Gratchengordal I suggest u go back a page tho and read all the posts. It was Adbasque who wrote all that u have quoted :D :eek: I was replying to that but had to edit it and it came out as tho I had posted.

KEEP UP THE INTELLIGENT WORK/READING :D

Err By the way if u can point out where I lied I would appreciate that very much, thanks

peace :)

Yes I think he should go back and re-read right from the start, I never spoke to you, I was talking about the OP, I merely mentioned that I had an experience in my life, and you took it as an opportunity to discredit somebody else so you can brag about your career by impying I lied, I did not lie, I had no reason to lie and you were very discourteous, you didn't correct any inaccuracies because you were not there, you did not live my life, you don't know what I did or didn't.

I lived in Marseille for a very longtime, and I nearly did join, everything I mentioned was correct what you believe is irrelevant and I couldn't care either.

You hijacked the thread for your own personal gain, and look us now few pages later we are still talking about your stupid attacks.

I found you very arrorant, very immature, discourteous I have real difficulties to believe you're a nice Guy despite the intervention of your mate Bel.

Yes and Gratchengordel has a point there, you keep using very childish remarks and smileys to disguise your anger and frustration.

We were not born yesterday and Psychology is my field ;) so watch it, I can read you like a book and I have met a lot of people like you.

Now I am going to ask you very nicely to keep me out of this, don't mention Adbasque please.
So we can all go back to the main topic.

My apologies to everyone here and especially the Original Poster.