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joyful
15-07-2009, 11:27 AM
A white South African's warning to the West

by Alan Stang
November 6, 2008

I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see whether you recognize any of this.


By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa.

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth. Then Washington intervened.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did this.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government schools.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Please note. Once it’s gone, it’s gone. Whatever you do later, however hard you fight, you cannot get it back.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?

http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan172.htm

eternal_spirit
15-07-2009, 01:47 PM
I know.

dynamicwiseman
15-07-2009, 03:29 PM
This is not a stormfront website, if you Nazis wish to discuses how pure & civilized your white utopia dream is then go back to that hatefest forum of yours. The David icke website is not a place where closet racist can come and speak freely. You have a corner on the web to speak your hate filled minds till your hearts contend, it's called Stormfront, i ask you go there, and not grace us with your presents.

I hope the moderators or David Icke himself intervenes and stops this mass invasion of white teenage thugs onto this peaceful website.

eternal_spirit
15-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Sorry man but have you even read the artcile. It's about black racists.

torus
15-07-2009, 05:17 PM
This is not a stormfront website, if you Nazis wish to discuses how pure & civilized your white utopia dream is then go back to that hatefest forum of yours. The David icke website is not a place where closet racist can come and speak freely. You have a corner on the web to speak your hate filled minds till your hearts contend, it's called Stormfront, i ask you go there, and not grace us with your presents.

I hope the moderators or David Icke himself intervenes and stops this mass invasion of white teenage thugs onto this peaceful website.


oh shut UP!

citizen no245187
15-07-2009, 08:17 PM
Sorry man but have you even read the artcile. It's about black racists.

Didn't you know that their is no such thing as black racists, its called reverse racism when its done by a non white, it so as to make it sound appetible ;). Looks like you will need some more brain washing untill you comform with political correctness

dynamicwiseman
15-07-2009, 08:42 PM
oh shut UP!


Oh FUCK OFF! :D

meksar
15-07-2009, 08:54 PM
I am against political correctness as it designed to stop people voicing opinions and conform with the desired agenda for society, however the White supremacists are hypocritical and full of ignorance. America like South Africa is another pillar of white "glory", by use of violence and intimidation they took land what was not rightfully theirs. Of course when the tables turn it will be average white people in society who suffer, whilst the elite(the real devils) will watch it unfold and laugh at it.

forestgrump
15-07-2009, 10:14 PM
America like South Africa is another pillar of white "glory", by use of violence and intimidation they took land what was not rightfully theirs.

I can't speak for South Africa with accurate figures but, as far as Zimbabwe is concerned, lets clear up one point about 'stolen' land.

When whites arrived in what is now Zimbabwe the black population was estimated to be about 600 000. Most of the land where there was not an immediate source of water was uninhabited. This land was made productive over the course of the last century by means of irrigation and a certain amount of agricultural ingenuity. Most of this land, having been 'reclaimed' is now lying fallow and unused. The irrigation equipment stolen or broken. Ten years ago, Zimbabwe was a country that was exported tonnes of food and was the second largest supplier of tobacco in the world. Now look at it.

The population in the mid-nineties was about 13 000 000. Now it is roughly half of that. Many have fled to neighbouring countries and there are supposedly about 300 000 in the UK. I am of the belief that there are probably closer to a million black Zimbabweans in the UK. Most of them here illegally. Incidentally, of the ones that do get to the UK (getting even a holiday visa is no small feat for black or white Zimbabweans) a fair proportion are allied to Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF. They'd just prefer to live over here than live in the hell hole that they have created.

I agree that this is not the appropriate forum to discuss these issues on, but the 'land issue' infuriates me and is propaganda by Mugabe's government that has been widely swallowed by those abroad. The 'spontaneous' land invasions were actually an organised punitive measure against the minority white population for starting to get more involved in politics again and for openly showing opposition in a referendum that would have allowed Mugabe to change the constitution against much of the countries wished.

While I'm on my rant I'll briefly drag in the immigration issue since there's been quite a bit of that on here recently as well. HIV rates among heterosexuals in England have risen drastically in the last ten years and this is almost exclusively due to the influx of sub-saharan Africans. Surely this is important and should be addressed?

Right, thats it from me at the moment and I will be trying to ignore these threads from now on and stick to content that is more appropriate to these forums.

raven200
16-07-2009, 04:10 PM
A white South African's warning to the West

by Alan Stang
November 6, 2008

I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see whether you recognize any of this.


By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa.

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth. Then Washington intervened.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did this.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government schools.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Please note. Once it’s gone, it’s gone. Whatever you do later, however hard you fight, you cannot get it back.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?

http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan172.htm

What horrendous and rascist propoganda, you are spewing civil war and unrest between people of different ethnicity.

There is a huge difference of how the whites lived in south Africa and how people of other ethnicity live in America.

Whites ruled over the Black Africans in Africa, the Blacks were not allowed to talk to whites or drink from the same tap and were treated as animals in a lot of cases.

The many ethnic immigrants in America live under American law and follow the law. Yes there are people who commit crimes but if you compare that to indigenouse people of the country the weigh of the scales are on them.

Your view is to devide people by colour, what good would that do you. Would you not agree that an Asian Dr who saves the life of your family member has been a great asset to Western society. Or an African engineer who helped to build great buildings in America is an asset.

Or would you rather it just be the white man who does it for you, what happens if there are not enough Doctors and you lose loved ones because there was'nt a white doctor?

You are absolutely ignorant and the many that believe in your ideology are like monkeys following blindly what stupidity you think of.

To be honest if worst came to worst and the whites started killing or hurting the ethnic minority I would very much so advise them to go back to there countries and develop them. But one thing I would remind them is that not to let the white man come in and create factions to cause conflicts within people and then take over. As was done in India in South Africa and currently in the Middle East.

But I am aware at present there are a lot more good hearted people in the world for such a thing to happen, but if it does then people like you should worry about the after life and what God will do to you for your sins.

Enjoy this life for the time being.

lumukanda
16-07-2009, 04:32 PM
oh ffs, you guys really can't see the bigger picture can you?
racist ping pong doesn't fucking help anyone, i sometimes wonder, i really, really do.
you're actually giving an old south african conservative mp the time of day?
ffs, sometimes i think there's no hope at all!

dankai
16-07-2009, 04:38 PM
This is not a stormfront website, if you Nazis wish to discuses how pure & civilized your white utopia dream is then go back to that hatefest forum of yours. The David icke website is not a place where closet racist can come and speak freely. You have a corner on the web to speak your hate filled minds till your hearts contend, it's called Stormfront, i ask you go there, and not grace us with your presents.

I hope the moderators or David Icke himself intervenes and stops this mass invasion of white teenage thugs onto this peaceful website.

Are you still on this forum? You post nothing but garbage in an attempt to wind people up. The article is fact based.

dynamicwiseman
16-07-2009, 04:57 PM
Are you still on this forum? You post nothing but garbage in an attempt to wind people up. The article is fact based.

:rolleyes:

Oh go to hell you dumb American! :p G.W Bush has shown the world Americans cannot hold a complex conversation..lol and you Yanks voted for him twice?? lol.

raven200
16-07-2009, 04:58 PM
:rolleyes:

Oh go to hell you dumb American! :p G.W Bush has shown the world Americans cannot hold a complex conversation..lol and you Yanks voted for him twice?? lol.

It's possibly due to the inbreeding programme they run, or is that just limited to Texas?? :rolleyes:

dankai
16-07-2009, 08:46 PM
dynamicwiseman:

Oh go to hell you dumb American! :p G.W Bush has shown the world Americans cannot hold a complex conversation..lol

Complex? Well that's the "pot calling the kettle black." It seems most of your posts are one dimensional and focus solely on attacking the caucasian race no matter what discussion thread you jump into.

...and you Yanks voted for him twice?? lol.

I don't believe many of us voted for him at all.