Jew leaders.

[the_truth_will_set_you_free]

JEW LEADERS.

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Barack Obama, President of the USA.

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George Bush, Past President of the USA.

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Bush praying at Wailing Wall.Tony Blair with Britain's Chief Rabbi.

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Vladimir Putin, President of Russia.

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Putin and Russia's Chief Rabbi, Berel Lazar.

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Bush and Angela Merkel (Angela Kasner).

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Bush celebrating Hanukkah.Tony Blair.

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Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.

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Ukraine.Cheney.Stephen Harper.

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John Howard, Prime Minister of Australia.

[the_truth_will_set_you_free]

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Jacques Chirac, President of France.

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Ronald Reagan.Jacques Chirac.

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Jean Chretein, former Prime Minister of Canada.

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Josefa Iloilo, President of Fiji.

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Jose Barroso, former Prime Minister of Portugal.

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Hillary Clinton, future President of the USA?

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Joshua Bolten, Chief of Staff, USA.

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Karl Rove, Deputy of Staff, USA.

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Vice President USA, Dick Cheney, with Lubavitchers.

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M Chertoff, Head of the American KGB (Homeland Security).

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64254

Jewish Presidents and Vice Presidents and

[avi912]

another jew basher what a surprise. my people are kind of in what id describe as a civil war atm. go to www.jewsagainstzionism.com to find out what real jews are like. we are not all money grabbing, power hungry wankers so please stop spreading bullshit

[nialldabass]

another jew basher what a surprise. my people are kind of in what id describe as a civil war atm. go to www.jewsagainstzionism.com to find out what real jews are like. we are not all money grabbing, power hungry wankers so please stop spreading bullshit

I agree, Ive known many Jews against the state of Israel and this sets our movement back. I'd be happy to blame zionists, whatever creed or colour for the worlds plight, and pointing the finger at 'jews' is like blaming all Brits and Yanks for the murder of 10's of thousands of children in Iraq and Afganistan.
Now these pictures are very telling and Im sure, proof of the Zionist agenda.
But we need to be clear that most jews are as duped as the rest of society, and would be just as horrofied if they new the truth

[eternal_spirit]

So we should ingore truths and believe in the bullshit lies and fantasys/conspiracys spread about German people. (that's what some would want us to do)
So and so is a Nazi etc etc, I've debunked so much on this forum to do with this and proved these so called German Nazi's turn out to be Jewish.

Orthodox Jewery is based on the Talmud. Go look and see how it compares with the Zionist actions and beliefs systems of domination of the none jews (Goyim, means cattle = sheople) and teaches the racial superiority of Jews.

[eternal_spirit]

Of course not all Jews dig, follow and believe all that's in the Talmud, but this indoctrination of racial religious superiority of Jews is what leads to problems for themselves and others.

[avi912]

So we should ingore truths and believe in the bullshit lies and fantasys/conspiracys spread about German people. (that's what some would want us to do)
So and so is a Nazi etc etc, I've debunked so much on this forum to do with this and proved these so called German Nazi's turn out to be Jewish.

Orthodox Jewery is based on the Talmud. Go look and see how it compares with the Zionist actions and beliefs systems of domination of the none jews (Goyim, means cattle = sheople) and teaches the racial superiority of Jews.

did i say that? you are trying to make me out as some kind of anti german guy. i have good german friends il have you know. wrong, orthodox jewry is not based on the talmud it is based on the torah and the ORAL teachings of the talmud. The talmud was written when the jews were in exile in babylon and under babylonian rule so were forced to write certain things, not to mention it is more like a collection of things that prominent rabbis and jews have said through certain periods of history, therefore it is IMO less reliable than the torah.

i think you should take a look at http://talmud.faithweb.com/

[avi912]

I agree, Ive known many Jews against the state of Israel and this sets our movement back. I'd be happy to blame zionists, whatever creed or colour for the worlds plight, and pointing the finger at 'jews' is like blaming all Brits and Yanks for the murder of 10's of thousands of children in Iraq and Afganistan.
Now these pictures are very telling and Im sure, proof of the Zionist agenda.
But we need to be clear that most jews are as duped as the rest of society, and would be just as horrofied if they new the truth

thank you for understanding my point of view. i do not like to point the finger at any group of people because everybody is different i.e. there are christians who are good and christians who are bad, jews who are good and jews who are bad, muslims who are good and those that are bad, etc., etc.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

Authority of Babylonian Talmud revealed
check out the quotes from the Rabbis.

[avi912]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

Authority of Babylonian Talmud revealed
check out the quotes from the Rabbis.


most of the accusations given through your link have been explained through the link i sent you.

[the_truth_will_set_you_free]

these so called German Nazi's turn out to be Jewish.
Is that right. Want to name them?

[the_truth_will_set_you_free]

eternal_spirit: I'm still interested in the Jew Nazis.

[runciter]

another jew basher what a surprise. my people are kind of in what id describe as a civil war atm. go to www.jewsagainstzionism.com to find out what real jews are like. we are not all money grabbing, power hungry wankers so please stop spreading bullshit

talmudic rabbis against zionism? so you post a link, put a "jew basher" label, and everything is solved?

[runciter]

most of the accusations given through your link have been explained through the link i sent you.

Michael Hoffman's "Judaism Discovered From Its Own Texts"

January 19, 2009
by Henry Makow, Ph.D.

"Judaism Discovered," Michael Hoffman's monumental new work on Judaism is subtitled, "A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit."

But, what does Hoffman really think of Judaism?

We are in crisis. It's time we listened to plainspoken pariahs like Michael Hoffman. Anti-Semitism is on the rise and Hoffman's book explains why this is not irrational "hate." It's more important for Jews than anyone to learn that they are associated with a "religion" they don't really understand.

Two polls, one on August 9, 2007 and one on January 3, 2009, indicated a sharp growth of anti-Semitism in America. The August poll, conducted for the CIA-controlled RAND Corporation of Santa Monica showed 35% of the American public polled displayed moderate to strong anti-Semitic feelings while a similar poll in January of 2009 showed that percentage had jumped to 62%! This corresponds to the progress of the financial crisis. No doubt, Israel's genocidal attack on Gaza has contributed more.

Many people serve as witting and unwitting agents of the central bankers' plan for world tyranny (the New World Order.) Collaboration is a criterion for "success" today. Increasingly, the NWO is called the "Jew World Order" because of the out-sized role Jews play. Most Jews are just trying to please their mother ("be successful dear") but it's time they learned they are part of a sinister force, and they may end up holding the bag.

Is the NWO driven primarily by the bankers' megalomania or by their adherence to a Jewish corporate agenda? Since many of the bankers are Cabalist Jews, the answer is probably both. The Jewish bankers have expanded their power base by co-opting the decadent gentile elite through intermarriage and Freemasonry (which is based on Jewish Cabalism.) This entity is a Satanic secret society called "The Illuminati Order."

Illuminati bankers are behind the recent financial collapse which is designed to facilitate political change. "Economic crises have been produced by us for the goyim by no other means than the withdrawal of money from circulation." -- (Protocols of Zion, 20) As Pastor Lindsey Williams said recently, long term, "these people are out to own and control everything...they are out to break us."

HOFFMAN BOOK

Hoffman's book is required reading for understanding the Satanic mindset driving both the Illuminati and New World Order.

Normally, a 1100-page book would be daunting. But not in this case. "Judaism Discovered" is an encyclopedia in one volume consisting of more than 140 readable articles. The 10 x 7 inch format, large type and generous spacing make the book approachable. Consider it an opulent banquet. I haven't read it all yet.

Hoffman is a Talmudic adepts' worst nightmare. The goyim aren't supposed to learn this stuff. Ordinary Jews aren't supposed to know either. Hoffman has research assistants, some of whom are Jews, who read Hebrew, Yiddish, Aramaic and German. He is a brilliant scholar and an eloquent, courageous writer. He is clearly not motivated by "hate" but rather by a desire to disabuse both Jews and non-Jews. He sees them as victims of an ongoing scam.

A sample of article titles suggests the provocative theme and range:

The Superiority of the Jews
The Inferiority of the Gentiles
Sexual Intercourse with Little Girls is Permissible
Immanuel Kant
The X-Rated Talmud
Sex Magic
Ritual Murder
Hasidic Paganism
Modern Protestant View of Judaism
From Kaballah to Aggadah: A Sexual Progression
No "Judeo-Christian" Tradition
The Rabbinic World in the Pre-Modern Age
The Talmud in the Toilet
The Attire of the Pharisaic Male
Who are the Jews Today?
Rabbi Judah Loew and Queen Elizabeth's Dr. John Dee
US Gov't. Lays the Groundwork for Talmudic Courts

SAMPLING THE FEAST

Judaism is a secret Satanic cult posing as a religion. Hoffman's main point is that Judaism represents the repudiation by the Pharisees of both the Old Testament and the Mosaic Code. Judaism is not Monotheistic but Luciferian. Its goal is the replacement of God with the secret Jewish leadership. Both the Talmud and the Cabala are dedicated to the proposition that only Jews are human. "The raison d'etre of the Talmud and Orthodox Judaism is the essential spiritual and racial superiority of the Judaic over the non-Judaic," Hoffman writes. This template has been transferred to the Illuminati elite.

I don't know why this information would offend Jews, most of whom consider themselves "secular humanists." Their Jewishness is cultural. They have contempt and even hatred for Orthodox Jews who return the compliment. However, a larger question is, to what extent is the pagan materialist secular culture dominant today a form of Judaism? Especially, when you consider the widespread acceptance of Cabala-based New Age beliefs (i.e. human divinity, pantheism, goddess & sex worship and the vogue of many other occult practices.)

There is so much in Hoffman's book I can only provide a taste. An essay on Moses Hess (1812-1875) suggests modern history and culture have been contrived by Cabalists to overthrow Christian civilization and enslave society. Hoffman shows how Hess' ideology was at the nexus of Communism, Nazism and Zionism and nurtured all three. In other words, Cabalists control mankind by controlling the Hegelian thesis and antithesis. With Communism, the Cabalist bankers attempted to take our country, property, family, race, religion and liberty (still the goals of the NWO.) The reaction to Communism was Nazism, and the reaction to Nazism was Zionism. All three Frankensteins were built in the same occult laboratory using common parts.

Tellingly, the Nazis did the rabbis' work by killing "unauthorized" opponents of Judaism like Edith Stein, Irene Nemirovsky and Maximilian Kolbe. (Hoffman, p. 650)

A true Christian, Hoffman says the way to stop the Hegelian dialectic is to stop fighting. In a timely reference to Zionist colonizers and Palestinian resisters, he writes that both groups of violent combatants "are mutually draining their enemy and themselves of blood, treasure and most damaging of all, their humanity, since this killing entails the dehumanization of the opposing force and the brutalization of one's own...No authentic Christian engages in this pagan, uroboros, victim-into-executioner cycle. Peace pays the greatest dividends. All you live by the sword die by the sword. (Mathew 26:52)." (86)

PAYING THE PRICE

Our financial woes will expose the moral and political bankruptcy of Western Society. We will pay the price for our complacence, for allowing the Illuminati to seduce us and subvert all our institutions.

While Christian civilization was dedicated to the revelation of the Creator by obeying natural and spiritual (moral) laws governing human life, the New World Order replaces God's Will with the Illuminati bankers'. What is presented to us as "progressive" (e.g. sexual "liberation," the breakdown of gender identity, marriage and family) refers to progress toward Luciferian tyranny.

Michael Hoffman writes: "The core of Judaism, like the core of Gnosticism and Egyptian Hermeticism, is magic, the manipulation of the universe, contra God's creation; i.e. against nature. Gershom Scholem, Professor of Kabbalah at Hebrew University wrote that Kaballah embraced a great deal of "black magic, ...a wide realm of demonology and various forms of sorcery that were designed to disrupt the natural order of things..." (Hoffman, p.779.)

(I elaborate on this opposition to God and nature expressed by Jewish and now "modern" culture in my book "Illuminati.")

Babylonian and Egyptian paganism is the progenitor of Judaism, Hoffman writes. "The rabbis hold Egypt in awe as a magical powerhouse. Pharonic Egypt is the model, root and source for Talmudic and Kabalistic priestcraft." (780) This may explain the pyramid on the US dollar and in the logos of so many corporations.

Hoffman seems mindful of the Illuminati when he writes on his website that , "the evil should NOT be assigned to a particular people denominated as "Jewish," but rather to the spirituality and ideology of Pharisaic/rabbinic origin which can, and does, afflict any people who adhere to its tenets, be they Khazars or Sephardim, WASPs such as George W. Bush, or Germans such as the current Pope of Rome."

Modern history and culture reflect a Cabalistic (Satanic) spell and curse on the human race. It is dedicated to the fulfillment of prophecy, the eventual enslavement of mankind by the "Jews" who in practice will be the crazed Illuminati Order. But Jews who have no clue about this demented plan will take the blame. That's why it is essential for Jews and non-Jews alike to understand the true nature of Judaism and oppose the NWO.

In a spirit of Christian mercy and love, Michael Hoffman has performed an invaluable service for mankind.

http://www.henrymakow.com/michael_hoffmans_judaism_disco.html

[runciter]

and pointing the finger at 'jews' is like blaming all Brits and Yanks for the murder of 10's of thousands of children in Iraq and Afganistan.


no, because judaism is a religion.

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Jan 10, 2008 0:23 | Updated Jan 10, 2008 10:35

Chief rabbi thanks Bush for 'war against Iraq'

During a short verbal exchange Wednesday at the Ben-Gurion Airport Terminal, Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yona Metzger thanked President George W. Bush for the US's military intervention in Iraq.

"I want to thank you for your support of Israel and in particular for waging a war against Iraq," Metzger told Bush, according to the chief rabbi's spokesman.

Bush reportedly answered that the chief rabbi's words "warmed his heart."

Metzger's stand on the Iraqi war, while reflecting the Israeli majority and Orthodox Jewry, is not shared with most US Jews. The American Jewish Committee's annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion, published last year, found that 70 percent of US Jews disapprove of the Iraq war, with 28% backing it.

In a related story, Metzger was chosen as one of the 12 most influential religious figures in the world for a CBS documentary called In God's Name that appeared at the end of December.

Newsweek also devoted a story to the documentary complete with pictures of Metzger and the other religious leaders.

Metzger was chosen along with figures such as the 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams and heads of the Sikh and Muslim religions.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517338408&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[runciter]

did i say that? you are trying to make me out as some kind of anti german guy. i have good german friends il have you know. wrong, orthodox jewry is not based on the talmud it is based on the torah and the ORAL teachings of the talmud. The talmud was written when the jews were in exile in babylon and under babylonian rule so were forced to write certain things, not to mention it is more like a collection of things that prominent rabbis and jews have said through certain periods of history, therefore it is IMO less reliable than the torah.


they were forced to write some things? orthodox jewry is not based on the talmud? lol


i think you should take a look at http://talmud.faithweb.com/


aaaaah, this explains everything :)

lying about the talmud is "good for the jews", from a rabbinical perspective.

[runciter]

thank you for understanding my point of view. i do not like to point the finger at any group of people because everybody is different i.e. there are christians who are good and christians who are bad, jews who are good and jews who are bad, muslims who are good and those that are bad, etc., etc.

there are also poisonous supremacist ideologies, like judaism.

do you consider yourself a member of the chosen people, or a citizen of the country you live in?

[runciter]

An invention called 'the Jewish people'
By Tom Segev

Israel's Declaration of Independence states that the Jewish people arose in the Land of Israel and was exiled from its homeland. Every Israeli schoolchild is taught that this happened during the period of Roman rule, in 70 CE. The nation remained loyal to its land, to which it began to return after two millennia of exile. Wrong, says the historian Shlomo Zand, in one of the most fascinating and challenging books published here in a long time. There never was a Jewish people, only a Jewish religion, and the exile also never happened - hence there was no return. Zand rejects most of the stories of national-identity formation in the Bible, including the exodus from Egypt and, most satisfactorily, the horrors of the conquest under Joshua. It's all fiction and myth that served as an excuse for the establishment of the State of Israel, he asserts.

According to Zand, the Romans did not generally exile whole nations, and most of the Jews were permitted to remain in the country. The number of those exiled was at most tens of thousands. When the country was conquered by the Arabs, many of the Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the conquerors. It follows that the progenitors of the Palestinian Arabs were Jews. Zand did not invent this thesis; 30 years before the Declaration of Independence, it was espoused by David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi and others.

If the majority of the Jews were not exiled, how is it that so many of them reached almost every country on earth? Zand says they emigrated of their own volition or, if they were among those exiled to Babylon, remained there because they chose to. Contrary to conventional belief, the Jewish religion tried to induce members of other faiths to become Jews, which explains how there came to be millions of Jews in the world. As the Book of Esther, for example, notes, "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them."

Zand quotes from many existing studies, some of which were written in Israel but shunted out of the central discourse. He also describes at length the Jewish kingdom of Himyar in the southern Arabian Peninsula and the Jewish Berbers in North Africa. The community of Jews in Spain sprang from Arabs who became Jews and arrived with the forces that captured Spain from the Christians, and from European-born individuals who had also become Jews.

The first Jews of Ashkenaz (Germany) did not come from the Land of Israel and did not reach Eastern Europe from Germany, but became Jews in the Khazar Kingdom in the Caucasus. Zand explains the origins of Yiddish culture: it was not a Jewish import from Germany, but the result of the connection between the offspring of the Kuzari and Germans who traveled to the East, some of them as merchants.

We find, then, that the members of a variety of peoples and races, blond and black, brown and yellow, became Jews in large numbers. According to Zand, the Zionist need to devise for them a shared ethnicity and historical continuity produced a long series of inventions and fictions, along with an invocation of racist theses. Some were concocted in the minds of those who conceived the Zionist movement, while others were offered as the findings of genetic studies conducted in Israel.

Prof. Zand teaches at Tel Aviv University. His book, "When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?" (published by Resling in Hebrew), is intended to promote the idea that Israel should be a "state of all its citizens" - Jews, Arabs and others - in contrast to its declared identity as a "Jewish and democratic" state. Personal stories, a prolonged theoretical discussion and abundant sarcastic quips do not help the book, but its historical chapters are well-written and cite numerous facts and insights that many Israelis will be astonished to read for the first time.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959229.html

[luciferhorus]

most of the accusations given through your link have been explained through the link i sent you.

You are not going to have much luck with Runciter Avi, as far as he is concerned any of the ramblings of the Talmud must be considered to be typical of the thinking of modern Jewish people, despite the fact that millions of Jewish people in the world (particularly the Jewish youth) appear to be Socialists, Communists, humanists, Anarchists, secularists, academics, scientists, writers and entirely modernists, and that much of the Jewish youth have more in common with Jewish prophets such as Bob Dylan and Neom Chomsky than any Orthodox Rabbi.

It is rather as if I were to describe all Christians of being anti-Capitalists / anti-propertyists and individuals who believe in giving all that they have to the poor and living with no money, one robe and no shoes, etc. This is obviously not the case for Christians since they mostly entirely oppose the teachings of their 1st century mentor and simply represent a living mockery of him.

Just as Christians today despise those of the ilk of Jesus, similarly most Jews despise those of the ilk of the authors of the Talmud, however the former case is clearly a definition of hypocrisy, but the latter case is simply an indication that modern educated people have moved on from the insane ramblings of our relatively illiterate, uneducated, xenophobic and overtly superstitious ancestors whose projection god was clearly that described by Richard Dawkins:

""The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

LL

Lux.

[runciter]

You are not going to have much luck with Runciter Avi, as far as he is concerned any of the ramblings of the Talmud must be considered to be typical of the thinking of modern Jewish people, despite the fact that millions of Jewish people in the world (particularly the Jewish youth) appear to be Socialists, Communists, humanists, Anarchists, secularists, academics, scientists, writers and entirely modernists, and that much of the Jewish youth have more in common with Jewish prophets such as Bob Dylan and Neom Chomsky than any Orthodox Rabbi.


i wonder why all these fabulous emancipated jews do so little to make clear that they have nothing to do with the zionist mafia, that labels as an "antisemite" whoever dares to speak openly and frankly about the mundane powers that are destroying evey form of freedom.

looks like a rothschild-friendly, talmud-friendly emancipation.

[the_luner_landing_hoax]

I was surprised to find that wikipedia admits to Blair being a Jew (his mothers a Jew).

Tony Blair:

"Blair was born in Edinburgh, Scotland[8] on 6 May 1953,[9] the second son of Leo and Hazel Blair (née Corscadden). Leo Blair, the illegitimate[10] son of two English actors, had been adopted as a baby by Glasgow shipyard worker James Blair and his wife, Mary. Hazel Corscadden was the daughter of George Corscadden, a butcher and Orangeman who moved to Glasgow in 1916 but returned to (and later died in) Ballyshannon in 1923, where his wife, Sarah Margaret (née Lipsett), gave birth to Blair's mother, Hazel, above her family's grocery shop.[11][12] The Lipsett family in Donegal supposedly originated with a German Jewish immigrant to Ireland prior to the 18th century.[13]"

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair

Apparently from the book: Dictionary of American Family Names. Oxford University Press. Patrick Hanks, editor. (2003). ISBN 0-19-508137-4.

From: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67947&page=3

[avi912]

at the end of the day runciter you are trying to say one group of people all share the same negative traits or beliefs which is ridiculous. why don't you actually read the jewish texts in their original language before spouting off about things you THINK you understand. i consider myself part of the chosen people and a citizen of my country of birth but more importantly a citizen of the world. have you ever considered that the "chosen people" idea is pretty vague and doesn't necessarily mean chosen in a good way. all i can say is based on my personal experience and that is this: i feel like my people are chosen for shit generally and i have very bad luck usually but whenever something comes along in my life that is genuinely important to me or seriously threatens me there is something that has my back. i don't expect you to understand or believe that but i have had too many coincidences in my life already and so i feel like i'm on the right path now. i've had to grow up with seeing my fanatically pro-zionist dad be paranoid about everyone and treat people like shit and complain about racism whilst being very racist himself and i realised that thats not the path i wish to follow so i ask you to please end your hatred because it will solve nothing in this world, theres already enough hatred out there.

[avi912]

You are not going to have much luck with Runciter Avi, as far as he is concerned any of the ramblings of the Talmud must be considered to be typical of the thinking of modern Jewish people, despite the fact that millions of Jewish people in the world (particularly the Jewish youth) appear to be Socialists, Communists, humanists, Anarchists, secularists, academics, scientists, writers and entirely modernists, and that much of the Jewish youth have more in common with Jewish prophets such as Bob Dylan and Neom Chomsky than any Orthodox Rabbi.

It is rather as if I were to describe all Christians of being anti-Capitalists / anti-propertyists and individuals who believe in giving all that they have to the poor and living with no money, one robe and no shoes, etc. This is obviously not the case for Christians since they mostly entirely oppose the teachings of their 1st century mentor and simply represent a living mockery of him.

Just as Christians today despise those of the ilk of Jesus, similarly most Jews despise those of the ilk of the authors of the Talmud, however the former case is clearly a definition of hypocrisy, but the latter case is simply an indication that modern educated people have moved on from the insane ramblings of our relatively illiterate, uneducated, xenophobic and overtly superstitious ancestors whose projection god was clearly that described by Richard Dawkins:

""The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

LL

Lux.

thanks for the support. its people who hate on us so much that make so many jews feel the whole world is against them and so end up trying to fuck over everyone else in some kind of retaliation at the world. i have felt like this myself sometimes but then id just be part of the problem and continue a cycle of hatred; its not needed and someone has to do the honourable thing and break that cycle.

[runciter]

at the end of the day runciter you are trying to say one group of people all share the same negative traits or beliefs which is ridiculous.


all i'm trying to say is that the tradition based on the torah and the talmud is a threat to mankind.

if one rejects this tradition, i have no reason to consider him a jew (the "racial" approach is nonsense).


why don't you actually read the jewish texts in their original language before spouting off about things you THINK you understand.


read shahak:

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm

and consider this:

Hoffman is a Talmudic adepts' worst nightmare. The goyim aren't supposed to learn this stuff. Ordinary Jews aren't supposed to know either. Hoffman has research assistants, some of whom are Jews, who read Hebrew, Yiddish, Aramaic and German. He is a brilliant scholar and an eloquent, courageous writer. He is clearly not motivated by "hate" but rather by a desire to disabuse both Jews and non-Jews. He sees them as victims of an ongoing scam.

http://www.henrymakow.com/michael_hoffmans_judaism_disco.html


i consider myself part of the chosen people and a citizen of my country of birth but more importantly a citizen of the world.


ohhhh how beautiful, this explains why you're trying to spread disinfo on jewish holy books, i guess.


so i ask you to please end your hatred because it will solve nothing in this world, theres already enough hatred out there.


defamation league at work, in a subtle and gentle way.

[runciter]

thanks for the support. its people who hate on us so much that make so many jews feel the whole world is against them and so end up trying to fuck over everyone else in some kind of retaliation at the world. i have felt like this myself sometimes but then id just be part of the problem and continue a cycle of hatred; its not needed and someone has to do the honourable thing and break that cycle.

if you want to break the circle, start addressing the zionist mafia, instead of playing the victim.

without energetic protection from people like you, their regime would be easily overthrown, i think.

edit:

sorry, i believed you were genuine at first.

its people who hate on us so much that make so many jews feel the whole world is against them and so end up trying to fuck over everyone else in some kind of retaliation at the world.

[runciter]

Sunday, 19 July 2009

Is Quoting the Talmud Anti-Semitic?

'Should one be defined as anti-Semitic for quoting from Talmud texts that preach for committing or justifying crimes? Texts that define the Talmud supporters – at least – as collaborators, or even instigators to commit, a crime?

This question is a serious one, since the modern State of Israel forces on its citizens the religious views of the Pharisees descendants, namely the rabbis. The rabbis act according to the Talmud teachings. In such a way, Israel is accepting the Talmud and its teachings. What does that mean?'

Read more... (http://roytov.com/refugee/talmud.htm)

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/25107/48/

[avi912]

all i'm trying to say is that the tradition based on the torah and the talmud is a threat to mankind.

if one rejects this tradition, i have no reason to consider him a jew (the "racial" approach is nonsense).



read shahak:

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm

and consider this:

Hoffman is a Talmudic adepts' worst nightmare. The goyim aren't supposed to learn this stuff. Ordinary Jews aren't supposed to know either. Hoffman has research assistants, some of whom are Jews, who read Hebrew, Yiddish, Aramaic and German. He is a brilliant scholar and an eloquent, courageous writer. He is clearly not motivated by "hate" but rather by a desire to disabuse both Jews and non-Jews. He sees them as victims of an ongoing scam.

http://www.henrymakow.com/michael_hoffmans_judaism_disco.html



ohhhh how beautiful, this explains why you're trying to spread disinfo on jewish holy books, i guess.



defamation league at work, in a subtle and gentle way.


ok first off the racial approach isn't nonsense because i can trace my lineage back to the tribe of judah. i have considered your "evidence" given there but radio islam doesn't exactly sound like the least biased source and everything i have seen on hoffman screams self hating jew to me. so im now part of the defamation league? like i said i don't expect you to understand my point view because you havn't experienced my life but whatever. im not trying to play the victim but just telling the truth based on my own experiences and have addressed many zionist issues. also, i never said quoting the talmud was anti-semitic but when it is interpreted wrong then that is a problem so please go and study biblical hebrew and find out for yourself rather than believe random internet sources. most importantly i can tell you will never ever change your mind on your views or consider all the facts just like luciferhorus said and that shows extreme stubbornness on your part so im clearly wasting my time and wish to not further waste my time; so believe whatever you like and keep categorising people because whilst divided the people can never fight against evil and i hope you know that.

[runciter]

ok first off the racial approach isn't nonsense because i can trace my lineage back to the tribe of judah. i have considered your "evidence" given there but radio islam doesn't exactly sound like the least biased source and everything i have seen on hoffman screams self hating jew to me. so im now part of the defamation league? like i said i don't expect you to understand my point view because you havn't experienced my life but whatever. im not trying to play the victim but just telling the truth based on my own experiences and have addressed many zionist issues. also, i never said quoting the talmud was anti-semitic but when it is interpreted wrong then that is a problem so please go and study biblical hebrew and find out for yourself rather than believe random internet sources. most importantly i can tell you will never ever change your mind on your views or consider all the facts just like luciferhorus said and that shows extreme stubbornness on your part so im clearly wasting my time and wish to not further waste my time; so believe whatever you like and keep categorising people because whilst divided the people can never fight against evil and i hope you know that.

hoffman isn't jewish, but some of his assistants are and can read hebrew.

the radioislam link is a book written by this man:

http://www.arendt-art.de/deutsch/palestina/Shahak/israel_shahak.JPG

Shahak's childhood was spent in Nazified Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto and Bergen-Belsen concentration camp; at the end of the war he was the only male left in his family. He reached Palestine before statehood, in 1945. In 1956 he heard David Ben-Gurion make a demagogic speech about the Anglo-French-Israeli attack on Egypt, referring to this dirty war as a campaign for "the kingdom of David and Solomon." That instilled in him the germinal feelings of opposition. By the end of his life, he had produced a scholarly body of work that showed the indissoluble connection between messianic delusions and racial and political ones. He had also, during his chairmanship of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, set a personal example that would be very difficult to emulate.

He had no heroes and no dogmas and no party allegiances. If he admitted to any intellectual model, it would have been Spinoza. For Shahak, the liberation of the Jewish people was an aspect of the Enlightenment, and involved their own self-emancipation from ghetto life and from clerical control, no less than from ancient "Gentile" prejudice. It therefore naturally ensued that Jews should never traffic in superstitions or racial myths; they stood to lose the most from the toleration of such rubbish. And it went almost without saying that there could be no defensible Jewish excuse for denying the human rights of others. He was a brilliant and devoted student of the archeology of Jerusalem and Palestine: I would give anything for a videotape of the conducted tours of the city that he gave me, and of the confrontation in which he vanquished one of the propagandist guides on the heights of Masada. For him, the built and the written record made it plain that Palestine had never been the exclusive possession of any one people, let alone any one "faith."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010723/hitchens

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i'm glad that you can trace your lineage back to the tribe of judah, it must be so exciting.

[eternal_spirit]

Radio Islam is very hypocritical quote from the home page

Radio Islam is against Jewish racism towards non-Jews. World Jewish Zionism, today, constitutes the last racist ideology still surviving and the Zionist's state of Israel, the last outpost of "Apartheid" in the World. Israel constitutes by its mere existence a complete defiance to all international laws, rules and principles, and the open racism manifested in the Jewish State is a violation of all ethics and morals known to Man.

A none Muslim in many Islamic countries is treated worse than a second class citizen, infact I'd say in many many instances far worse than what radio Islam describes Israel as the last outpost of "Apartheid" in the World.

Is the Koran any better than the Talmud. There's millions more who live by the orders in the Koran
Just replace Goyim with Kaffur/Faffir. Need I say more.


Check this out
[quote] http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1087012#post1087012)
http://digg.com/people/Brainwashed_3..._jews?FC=PRCK2 (http://digg.com/people/Brainwashed_3_year_old_Muslim_girl_talks_about_hat ing_jews?FC=PRCK2)

Brainwashed 3 year old Muslim girl talks about hating jews (http://www.mediaflix.net/video-Crazy-3-year-old-Muslim-girl-talks-about-hating-Jews.aspx)

watch video ^^^



Brainwashed little muslim girl talks about hating jews and following Islam. She is only 3 and a half years old. She is being interviewed by a reporter. She is taught to hate jewish people at that age.

Words from the Koran.
Short vid
This takes place on what looks like a BIG Islamic TV station broadcast.

The girl and the presenter are talking about an incident and story from the Koran - about how a Jewish woman tried to poison the Prophet Mohammed. Seems this is one of their main beefs with Jews. What did Mohammed do to the Jewish woman, the little girl replies, "he killed her".



Tip of the iceberg.
A tribal religious dispute that spilled over, which spread and infected planet earth.

Talmud = Koran = Talmud = Koran = bad news for goyim = bad news for Kaffirs.

[runciter]

Radio Islam is very hypocritical quote from the home page

as i wrote in my previous post,

the radioislam link is a book written by israeli scholar israel shahak.

you have a problem with anything that has the word islam in it?

use this link, then: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm

[eternal_spirit]

as i wrote in my previous post,

the radioislam link is a book written by israeli scholar israel shahak.

you have a problem with anything that has the word islam in it?

use this link, then: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm

I'm not going to turn this into an Islam vs Judaism debate.

Have you read any of my threads on Islam, if not you should.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67609

Mohammed would put any dictator in the shade, Alah aka Yahweh? You know Jews and Muslims some will admit they worship the same God and are of Abraham's seed. Some Rabbis and Imams will both admit this.

I'll run this by you again, I think the details are correct from the religionists pov.

Wasn't the aim of the Koran and Islam to go back to these so called purer versions of religious OT Bible/Mosaic laws? (think Sharia)

(Because Islam claims - Jews and Christains particularly the latter done away with most of the laws and are no longer following the words of God, so "Gabriel" gave "Mohammed" a lecture on bringing back some of the harsher laws, "compare" the "Koran and Talmud", there's "your next clue"

This is why Muslim's will do anything to convert the people of "the book Bible" to Islam. If they won't convert then they have to pay the poll tax and live as second class citizens (Dhimmi) under Shariah law in an Islamic state, which is often far worse than the apartheid that Muslims claim they are under living in Israel/Palestine.

If they refuse to convert to Islam, then they are often killed.

BTW I have no idea why you're not anti Koran, most people who are anti Talmud are.

People of the Koran - They'll spit and laugh in your face while they crush your skull, and crucify you. (it's the "will of Alah" afterall, and they sure want to please Alah) Don't you know about the Islamisation of Europe? India and vast parts of the planet. An ongoing Jihad for 1500 years.

If Satan (if we take the common depiciton of him being evil) was ever a man then it's possible he was Mohammed.

[runciter]

Just as Christians today despise those of the ilk of Jesus, similarly most Jews despise those of the ilk of the authors of the Talmud, however the former case is clearly a definition of hypocrisy, but the latter case is simply an indication that modern educated people have moved on from the insane ramblings of our relatively illiterate, uneducated, xenophobic and overtly superstitious ancestors whose projection god was clearly that described by Richard Dawkins:

""The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

LL

Lux.

why do you call them jews, if they reject the supremacist tradition of judaism?

[wobbler]

and proved these so called German Nazi's turn out to be Jewish.




http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm

[sloughi]

Twitterers paid to spread Israeli propaganda
By Jonathan Cook


NAZARETH (thenational.ae) -- The passionate support for Israel expressed on talkback sections of websites, internet chat forums, blogs, Twitters and Facebook may not be all that it seems.


Israel’s foreign ministry is reported to be establishing a special undercover team of paid workers whose job it will be to surf the internet 24 hours a day spreading positive news about Israel.

Internet-savvy Israeli youngsters, mainly recent graduates and demobilized soldiers with language skills, are being recruited to pose as ordinary surfers while they provide the government’s line on the Middle East conflict.

“To all intents and purposes the internet is a theatre in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and we must be active in that theatre, otherwise we will lose,” said Ilan Shturman, who is responsible for the project.

The existence of an “internet warfare team” came to light when it was included in this year’s foreign ministry budget. About $150,000 has been set aside for the first stage of development, with increased funding expected next year.

The team will fall under the authority of a large department already dealing with what Israelis term “hasbara”, officially translated as “public explanation” but more usually meaning propaganda. That includes not only government public relations work but more secretive dealings the ministry has with a battery of private organizations and initiatives that promote Israel’s image in print, on TV and online.

In an interview this month with the Calcalist, an Israeli business newspaper, Mr. Shturman, the deputy director of the ministry’s hasbara department, admitted his team would be working undercover.

“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

Rona Kuperboim, a columnist for Ynet, Israel’s most popular news website, denounced the initiative, saying it indicated that Israel had become a “thought-police state”.

She added that “good PR cannot make the reality in the occupied territories prettier. Children are being killed, homes are being bombed, and families are starved.”

Her column was greeted by several talkbackers asking how they could apply for a job with the foreign ministry’s team.

The project is a formalization of public relations practices the ministry developed specifically for Israel’s assault on Gaza in December and January.

“During Operation Cast Lead we appealed to Jewish communities abroad and with their help we recruited a few thousand volunteers, who were joined by Israeli volunteers,” Mr. Shturman said.

“We gave them background material and hasbara material, and we sent them to represent the Israeli point of view on news websites and in polls on the internet.”

The Israeli army also had one of the most popular sites on the video-sharing site YouTube and regularly uploaded clips, although it was criticized by human rights groups for misleading viewers about what was shown in its footage.

Mr. Shturman said that during the war the ministry had concentrated its activities on European websites where audiences were more hostile to Israeli policy. High on its list of target sites for the new project would be BBC Online and Arabic websites, he added.

Elon Gilad, who heads the internet team, told Calcalist that many people had contacted the ministry offering their services during the Gaza attack. “People just asked for information, and afterwards we saw that the information was distributed all over the internet.”

He suggested that there had been widespread government cooperation, with the ministry of absorption handing over contact details for hundreds of recent immigrants to Israel, who wrote pro-Israel material for websites in their native languages.

The new team is expected to increase the ministry’s close coordination with a private advocacy group, giyus.org (Give Israel Your United Support). About 50,000 activists are reported to have downloaded a program called Megaphone that sends an alert to their computers when an article critical of Israel is published. They are then supposed to bombard the site with comments supporting Israel.

Nasser Rego of Ilam, a group based in Nazareth that monitors the Israeli media, said Arab organizations in Israel were among those regularly targeted by hasbara groups for “character assassination”. He was concerned the new team would try to make such work appear more professional and convincing.

“If these people are misrepresenting who they are, we can guess they won’t worry too much about misrepresenting the groups and individuals they write about. Their aim, it’s clear, will be to discredit those who stand for human rights and justice for the Palestinians.”

When The National called the foreign ministry, Yigal Palmor, a spokesman, denied the existence of the internet team, though he admitted officials were stepping up exploitation of new media.

He declined to say which comments by Mr. Shturman or Mr. Gilad had been misrepresented by the Hebrew-language media, and said the ministry would not be taking any action over the reports.

Israel has developed an increasingly sophisticated approach to new media since it launched a “Brand Israel” campaign in 2005.

Market research persuaded officials that Israel should play up good news about business success, and scientific and medical breakthroughs involving Israelis.

Mr. Shturman said his staff would seek to use websites to improve “Israel’s image as a developed state that contributes to the quality of the environment and to humanity”.

David Saranga, head of public relations at Israel’s consulate-general in New York, which has been leading the push for more upbeat messages about Israel, argued last week that Israel was at a disadvantage against pro-Palestinian advocacy.

“Unlike the Muslim world, which has hundreds of millions of supporters who have adopted the Palestinian narrative in order to slam Israel, the Jewish world numbers only 13 million,” he wrote in Ynet.

Israel has become particularly concerned that support is ebbing among the younger generations in Europe and the United States.

In 2007 it emerged that the foreign ministry was behind a photo-shoot published in Maxim, a popular U.S. men’s magazine, in which female Israeli soldiers posed in swimsuits.

Jonathan Cook is a British writer and journalist based in Nazareth.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=199403

[ladybird]

http://derhonigmannsagt.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/merkel-b-nai-b-rith.jpg?w=400&h=294
http://www.bnaibritheurope.org/bbe/images/rsgallery/original/berlin080311_031.jpg

[ladybird]

http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Cartoon-Sarkozy-Who-Does-He-Represent.jpg
http://www.thejc.com/files/imagecache/body_landscape/CFI.jpg
http://merryabla64.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/blair-aipac.jpg
http://img.tebyan.net/big/1389/05/13424425020216815420114102271376818216525099.jpght tp://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2006/10/19/harper-stephen-cp-1961423.jpg


Throne of David
http://home.iprimus.com.au/sevenstars/throne%20of%20david.html

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[eternal_spirit]

I was surprised to find that wikipedia admits to Blair being a Jew (his mothers a Jew).

Tony Blair:

"Blair was born in Edinburgh, Scotland[8] on 6 May 1953,[9] the second son of Leo and Hazel Blair (née Corscadden). Leo Blair, the illegitimate[10] son of two English actors, had been adopted as a baby by Glasgow shipyard worker James Blair and his wife, Mary. Hazel Corscadden was the daughter of George Corscadden, a butcher and Orangeman who moved to Glasgow in 1916 but returned to (and later died in) Ballyshannon in 1923, where his wife, Sarah Margaret (née Lipsett), gave birth to Blair's mother, Hazel, above her family's grocery shop.[11][12] The Lipsett family in Donegal supposedly originated with a German Jewish immigrant to Ireland prior to the 18th century.[13]"

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair

Apparently from the book: Dictionary of American Family Names. Oxford University Press. Patrick Hanks, editor. (2003). ISBN 0-19-508137-4.

From: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67947&page=3

So the chosen one was a chosen one.

all i'm trying to say is that the tradition based on the torah and the talmud is a threat to mankind.

if one rejects this tradition, i have no reason to consider him a jew (the "racial" approach is nonsense).



read shahak:

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm

and consider this:

Hoffman is a Talmudic adepts' worst nightmare. The goyim aren't supposed to learn this stuff. Ordinary Jews aren't supposed to know either. Hoffman has research assistants, some of whom are Jews, who read Hebrew, Yiddish, Aramaic and German. He is a brilliant scholar and an eloquent, courageous writer. He is clearly not motivated by "hate" but rather by a desire to disabuse both Jews and non-Jews. He sees them as victims of an ongoing scam.

http://www.henrymakow.com/michael_hoffmans_judaism_disco.html



ohhhh how beautiful, this explains why you're trying to spread disinfo on jewish holy books, i guess.



defamation league at work, in a subtle and gentle way.
Thanks for the info on Hoffman.

[dollanaqua]

I agree, Ive known many Jews against the state of Israel and this sets our movement back. I'd be happy to blame zionists, whatever creed or colour for the worlds plight, and pointing the finger at 'jews' is like blaming all Brits and Yanks for the murder of 10's of thousands of children in Iraq and Afganistan.
Now these pictures are very telling and Im sure, proof of the Zionist agenda.
But we need to be clear that most jews are as duped as the rest of society, and would be just as horrofied if they new the truth

Do they want to know the truth ?

If they do know the truth. Do they participate in keeping it hidden from "gentiles" ?