Invisible Hand Touching My Face??

[biblegirl]

Here is a strange sensation I've been having the past 8 months or so. It feels like someone is pushing their thumb under my left ear, sometimes along my left jaw, and a couple times on my chin. It seems to happen at spontaneous times, but more often when I am laying down ready to go to sleep. It doesn't hurt, it's just like a pressure, but feels physical. Sometimes I even feel my face to maybe move the hand (?) out of the way but of course I can't feel anything there. Anyone know what this is?

[deca]

I would check out mind control & electronic harassment .....they can do all kinds of sensations throw manipulating your mind,senses and nervous system .
They made out guns were pressed against my head, sexually assaults etc...people grabbing my throat and throwing me against a wall or strangling me in my bed

Also the weak low complex magnetic fields can be cause natural or by the electrical gear in our home...

http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/journalism/ns94.html
For the first ten minutes or so nothing seemed to happen .To tell the truth I felt rather daft. Instructed to describe aloud anything that happened I did not know what to say and felt under pressure to say something - anything. Then suddenly all my doubts were gone. "I’m swaying. It’s like being on a hammock." Then it felt for all the world as though two hands had grabbed my shoulders and were bodily yanking me upright. I knew I was still lying in the reclining chair, but someone, or something, was pulling me up.

Something seemed to get hold of my leg and pull it, distort it, and drag it up the wall. I felt as though I had been stretched half way up to the ceiling.

Then came the emotions. Totally out of the blue, but intensely and vividly, I felt suddenly angry - not just mildly cross but that sort of determinedly clear-minded anger out of which you act - only there was nothing and no one to act on. After perhaps ten seconds it was gone but later was replaced by an equally sudden fit of fear. I was just suddenly terrified - of nothing in particular. Never in my life have I had such powerful sensations coupled with the total lack of anything to blame them on. I was almost looking around the little room to find who was doing it.

Of course, I knew that it was all caused by the magnetic field changes but what, I wondered, would I feel if such things happened spontaneously. What if I woke in the middle of the night with all those feelings? I knew I would want, above all, to find an explanation, to find out who had been doing it to me. To have such powerful feelings and no reason for them is horrible. You feel as if you are going mad. If someone told me an alien was responsible and invited me to join an abductees’ support group, I might well prefer to believe the idea; rather than accept I was going mad.

An explanation in terms of brain events would be better still. So, until we understand the brain better, and until we learn to accept that things that seem real need not be, we cannot blame people for interpreting their weird experiences as abductions.

One last thought. Persinger applied a silent and invisible force to my brain and so created a specific experience for me. He claimed he was imitating the basic sequences of the processes of memory and perception and that, by varying those sequences, he could control my experience. Could he have done it from a distance? Could it be done on a wider scale? Suddenly prospects of magnetic mind control seem an awful lot worse than the idea of being abducted by imaginary aliens.


http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:ntzTUbLCAGMJ:www.apaw71.dsl.pipex.c om/MADS/docs/Results.pdf+MADS+ghosts+persinger+hunted+bed&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

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A Haunted Bed
by Maurice Townsend
You have probably read a lot here recently about how magnetic fields can
induce hallucinations. These results have mostly come from laboratory
experiments. Now we can present some early results from research using
the MADS system to find such fields at a haunted location.
Laboratory experiments, notably by Michael Persinger, have
demonstrated that certain low-frequency complex magnetic fields
can cause susceptible individuals to hallucinate (see Anomaly 35,
p2). It has been suggested that such fields, if found ‘in the wild’,
could be responsible for some reports of hauntings

EMF can cause a lot more then Hallucinations, the US has the Pain Ray based on microwaves as well

also check out Electrical Hypersensitivity
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/health/sensitivity.asp
Electrical Hypersensitivity (ES) is an illness that is both highly controversial and little understood. The symptoms can vary a lot between sufferers, but will normally include some of the following: sleep disturbance, tiredness, depression, headaches, restlessness, irritability, concentration problems, forgetfulness, learning difficulties, frequent infections, blood pressure changes, limb and joint pains, numbness or tingling sensations, tinnitus, hearing loss, impaired balance, giddiness and eye problems. There have been reports of cardiovascular problems such as tachycardia, though these are relatively rare.


If you believe it might be due to this move electricly goods away from your sleeping area....alarm clock ect....

Also EMF goes straight throw walls so if your heads against a wall then it could be a electric appliance in another room or WI FI or wireless phone ....hopefully its something like that not something more sinister

[biblegirl]

interesting deca, do you have to be under high EMF levels to experience this kind of remote control then?

[size_of_light]

Here is a strange sensation I've been having the past 8 months or so. It feels like someone is pushing their thumb under my left ear, sometimes along my left jaw, and a couple times on my chin. It seems to happen at spontaneous times, but more often when I am laying down ready to go to sleep. It doesn't hurt, it's just like a pressure, but feels physical. Sometimes I even feel my face to maybe move the hand (?) out of the way but of course I can't feel anything there. Anyone know what this is?

That's me. Sorry. :o I blame your avatar.

[biblegirl]

That's me. Sorry. :o I blame your avatar.

Aha! Case closed.

:p

[deca]

interesting deca, do you have to be under high EMF levels to experience this kind of remote control then?

I think its accepted the high levels of EMF especial ionizing can also power cables etc do effect health....

But its the weak complicated EMF that are more questionable , but there is science that backs this up and Dr persingers work ....its not the power but how complicated their are and obviously if they mimic our own brains magnetic field they can induce certain effects.....yes our own brains generate EM fields.

Also our body understands patterns
http://www.tetrawatch.net/tetra/pulse.php
TETRA and ‘pulsing’

The signal from base stations and handsets is carried on a microwave frequency at 380 to 400MHz. If that, like commercial mobile phones and masts concerns you, then this is no different at that level. Except that 400Mhz is more penetrative than the 900MHz to 2GHz of mobile phones, and is the resonant frequency of an average adult skull.

The signal or message is imprinted on this carrier wave in compressed bursts. Each TETRA handset sends these bursts out 17.64 times a second (Hz). The burst is so short that three other handset signals can slot in around it to form a group of four, so the masts can receive and transmit four bursts for every one that each handset produces. This group is called a ‘frame’, and the frames themselves are grouped in 18s (multi-frames) with a break at zero power. TETRA fills up empty slots, so even if four handsets are not in communication, the same pattern continues. Therefore TETRA masts pulse at 70.56Hz (4 x 17.64). However, in this pattern the first and last pulses are not separated, so there is a steady rhythm ‘di-di-dah-di-di-dah’, 17.64 times a second. The music of TETRA? Our bodies recognise patterns and rhythms and frequencies exceptionally well: this is not raw energy, it is information to us, interfering with our own informational bioelectromagnetic systems.

All that they admit to is a mild heating effect from these towers, remember our body's act like antenna......you will know this if you ever tuned in a radio or portable TV you take your hand of the Ariel it might hiss and not be as sharply tuned in etc ......

I have to really get my head around this and work on my science

also when you start looking at this there is a lot coincidences

note the frequencies and the one used in tetra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project
Work began at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) on Long Island, New York under the name of the "Phoenix Project", but it was soon realized that the "project" required a large and advanced radar dish, and installing one at Brookhaven National Laboratory would compromise the security of the project. Luckily, the United States Air Force had a decommissioned base at Montauk, New York, not far from BNL, which had a complete SAGE radar installation. The site was large and remote and Montauk Point was not yet a tourist attraction. Water access would allow equipment to be moved in and out undetected. More importantly, the SAGE radar worked on a frequency of 400 MHz - 425 MHz, right in the range of 410 MHz - 420 MHz signal that was said to influence the human mind.

Dr. Nick Begich is good and knows his stuff also has a lot of excellent youtube/google movies about this
http://www.earthpulse.com/

I think Dr. Nick Begich said 1/50th off the earth natural EMF would be enough to entrain the human mind not sure of that quote

Also Dr persinger said they could in thoery entrain everybody's mind using the ionosphere i,e Haarp ...its just on an other level this stuff beyond belief

[breezinreezin]

I get a tickling senssation on my upper lip quite often. I've read somewhere that it could indicate spirits wanting to get my attention, but I really don't know about that. I've had all sorts of other, less mundane, weird stuff happen, but that's too complicated to talk about.

[deca]

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/mindnet/mn165.htm

This is why I am worried about collective consciousness etc.....



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This statement by the author of the following paper says it all.

"Within the last two decades (Persinger, Ludwig, & Ossenkopp,
1973) a potential has emerged which was improbable but which is
now marginally feasible. This potential is the technical
capability to influence directly the major portion of the
approximately six billion brains of the human species without
mediation through classical sensory modalities by generating
neural information within a physical medium within which all
members of the species are immersed."

The medium he is referring to is the atmosphere of this planet.

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ON THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRECTLY ACCESSING EVERY HUMAN BRAIN BY
ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION OF FUNDAMENTAL ALGORITHMS

By M.A. Persinger

Laurentian University

June 1995

Perceptual and Motor Skills, June 1995, 80, 791-799.

(c) Perceptual and Motor Skills, ISSN 0031-5125

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_Summary_.-- Contemporary neuroscience suggests the existence
of fundamental algorithms by which all sensory transduction is
translated into the intrinsic, brain-specific code. Direct
stimulation of these codes within the human temporal or limbic
cortices by applied electromagnetic patterns may require energy
levels which are within the range of both geomagnetic activity
and contemporary communication networks. A process which is
coupled to the narrow band of brain temperature could allow all
normal human brains to be affected by a subharmonic whose
frequency range at about 10 Hz would only vary by 0.1 Hz.

The pursuit of the basic algorithms by which all human brains
operate can be considered a central theme of modern neuroscience.
Although individual differences are expected to accommodate most
of the variance in any specific neurobehavioral measure, there
should exist basic patterns of information and structure within
brain space. They would be determined by the human genome, i.e.,
be species-specific, and would contribute to or would serve as
the substrate upon which all phenomena that affect
neurobehavioral measures are superimposed.
One logical extrapolation to a neurophysical basis of
consciousness is that all experiences must exist as correlates
of complex but determined sequences of electromagnetic matrices.
They would control the theme for the format of cognition and
affect while the myriad of possible serial collections of random
variations of "noise" within the matrices could potentially
differentiate between individual brains. Identification of these
sequences could also allow direct access to the most complex
neurocognitive processes associated with the sense of self, human
consciousness and the aggregate of experiential representations
(episodic memory) that define the individual within the brain
(Squire, 1987).
The existence of fundamental commonalities between all human
brains by which a similar physical stimulus can affect them is
not a new concept. It is demonstrated daily by the similar shifts
in qualitative functions that are evoked by psychotropic drugs.
Classes of chemical structures, crudely classified as
antidepressant, antipsychotic, or anxiolytic compounds, produce
general attenuations of lowered mood, extreme eccentric thinking,
or extreme vigilance. The characteristics of these changes are
very similar within millions of different human brains regardless
of their cultural or genetic history. The idiosyncratic
experiences such as the specific thoughts and images which
reflect each person's continuing process of adaptation are
superimposed upon these general functions. When translated into
the language of neuroelectrical domains, the unique components
of individual consciousness would be both embedded within and
interacting with the species-invariant patterns.
We have been studying the phenomenological consequences of
exposure to complex electromagnetic fields whose temporal
structures have been derived from the most recently observed
neuroelectrical profiles such as burst-firing or long-term
potentiating sequences (Brown, Chapman, Kairiss, & Keenan, 1988)
which can be considered the prototypical basis of a major domain
of brain activity. These temporal patterns of potential codes for
accessing and influencing neuronal aggregates have been applied
across the two cerebral hemispheres (through the regions of the
temporoparietal lobes or within the region of the
hippocampal-amygdaloid complex) of the brain as weak
electromagnetic fields whose intensities are usually less than
10 milligauss (1 microT). The purpose of this research, as
suggested by both E.R. John (1967) and Sommerhoff (1974), is
to identify the basic codes for the language of the
representational systems within the human brain.
In the tradition of Johannes Mueller, we have assumed that
the normal transduction of stimuli by sensors into afferent,
graded potentials and the subsequent translation into digital
patterns of action potentials (which are more likely to behave
functionally as a composite of pixels within a neural field) can
be circumvented by _direct_ introduction of this information
within the brain. Induction of complex information would require
simulation of the resonance patterns which would normally be
transiently created by sensory afferents. The basic premise is
that synthetic duplication of the neuroelectrical correlates
generated by sensors to an actual stimulus should produce
identical experiences without the presence of that stimulus.
We have focused upon the polymodal and most labile portions of
the parahippocampal (Van Hoesen, 1982) and entorhinal cortices
(Vinagradova, 1975) and the anterior superior gyrus of the
temporal cortices (Bancaud, Brunet-Bourgin, Chauvel, & Halgren,
1994) as the region within which circumvention would be most
probable. Extraction and translation of neural patterns from
different sensory inputs into common codes occur within these
regions before they are consciously perceived (Edelman, 1989).
That central codes are present was shown by E.R. John (1967, pp.
348-349) who reported an immediate transference of the operant
control of a response from a pulsatile auditory stimulus to a
pulsatile visual stimulus if its _temporal_pattern_ was
identical to the previous (acoustic) stimulus.
We (Fleming, Persinger, & Koren, 1994) reported that whole
brain exposure of rats to a 5-microT burst-firing magnetic field
for 1 sec. every 4 sec. evoked an analgesic response that was
similar to that elicited by the application of more noxious,
tactile simulation for 1 sec. every 4 sec. directly to the
footpads. Direct electrical stimulation of the limbic structures
which simulate episodic, systemic application of muscarinic
(cholinergic) agents can evoke electrical kindling (Cain, 1989).
More recently, direct induction of chaotic electrical sequences
within the labile CA1 region of the hippocampus has been shown
either to promote and attenuate paroxysmal discharges (Schiff,
Jerger, Duong, Chang, Spano, & Ditto, 1994).
These results strongly indicate that imitation of the temporal
pattern of sensory transmission directly within the brain by any
nonbiogenic stimuli can evoke changes which are just as effective
as (and perhaps require less energy than) classical transduction.
As stated more recently and succinctly by E.R. John (1990), the
fundamental operation of brain electrical activity suggests that
some form of frequency encoding may play a significant role in
informational transactions within and between brain structures.
Consciousness would be associated with an electromagnetic pattern
generated by a neural aggregate with invariant statistical
features which are independent of the cells contributing to each
feature (John 1990, p. 53).
The effects of applied time-varying magnetic fields upon brain
activity have been considered minimal or within the range of
normal biological limits unless the intensity of the field
exceeded natural endogenous or exogenous (ambient) levels by
several orders of magnitude. Until very recently, almost all of
the studies from which this conclusion was derived involved
highly redundant stimuli such as 60 Hz fields or repetitive
pulses. A simple illustration presents the problem: only 1 min.
of a 60-Hz sine-wave field exposes a neural net to 3,600
presentations (60 sec. x 60 cycles per sec.) of the _same_
redundant information. Even general estimates of habituation
(Persinger, 1979) such as the equation H=IRT2/Rt
(IRT=interresponse time, Rt=duration of response) indicate that
habituation to the stimulus would have occurred long before its
termination after 1 min. Although the burst-firing frequencies
(100 to 200 Hz) of the hippocampal neurons, for example, exceed
this pattern, they are not temporally symmetrical and exhibit a
variability of interstimulus intervals that would contain
different information and would attenuate habituation.
The apparent dependence of organismic responses upon the
intensity of the applied electromagnetic field, the
"intensity-dependent response curve," could simply be an
artifact of the absence of biorelevant information within the
wave pattern. If the temporal structure of the applied
electromagnetic field contained detailed and biorelevant
information (Richards, Persinger, & Koren, 1993), then the
intensity of the field required to elicit a response could be
several orders of magnitude below the values which have been
previously found to elicit changes. For example, Sandyk (1992)
and Jacobson (1994) have found that complex magnetic fields with
variable interstimulus pulse durations could evoke unprecedented
changes in melatonin levels even with intensities within the
nanoT range.
The classical counterargument that "very strong" magnetic
fields must be present "to exceed or to compensate for the
electromagnetic noise associated with intrinsic (Boltzmann)
thermal energies" is based upon equations and calculations for
the quantitative indices of aggregates of molecular activity and
not upon the _pattern_ of their interaction. There are other
possibilities. For example, Weaver and Astumian (1990) have shown
mathematically that detection of very weak (microV/cm) fields can
occur if the response is exhibited within a narrow band of
frequencies; the detection is a function of both thermally
induced fluctuations in membrane potential and the maximum
increment of change in the membrane potential which is evoked by
the applied magnetic field. The ion-cyclotron-resonance model
which was initiated by the research of Blackman, Bename,
Rabinowitz, House, and Joines (1985) and supported by Lerchl,
Reiter, Howes, Honaka, and Stokkan (1991) indicates that, when an
alternating magnetic field at a distance (resonance) frequency is
superimposed upon a steady-state magnetic field, the movement of
calcium and other ions can be facilitated with very small
energies. More than 25 years ago, Ludwig (1968) developed a
compelling (but hereto ignored) mathematical argument which
described the absorption of atmospherics within the brain.
Above these minimal thresholds, the information content of the
wave structure becomes essential. The simplest analogy would be
the response of a complex neural network such as a human being to
sonic energy. If only a 1000-Hz (sine wave) tone were presented,
the intensity required to evoke a response could well exceed 90
db; in this instance the avoidant response would be overt and
crude. However, if the structure of the sonic field was modified
to exhibit the complex pattern which was equivalent to
biorelevant information such as "help me, I am dying," field
strengths several orders of magnitude weaker, e.g., 30 db, could
be sufficient. This single, brief but information-rich stimulus
would evoke a response which could recruit every major cognitive
domain.
If the information within the structure of the applied
magnetic field is a major source of its neurobehavioral effect,
then the "intensity-dependent" responses which are interpreted as
support for experimental hypotheses of biomagnetic interaction
could be both epiphenomenal and artifactual. Such amplification
of electromagnetic-field strengths would also increase the
intensity of the extremely subtle and almost always ignored
subharmonics, ripples, and other temporal anomalies which are
superimposed upon or within the primary frequency. These subtle
anomalies would be due to the artifacts within the different
electronic circuits and components whose similarities are based
upon the fidelity of the endpoint (the primary frequency) despite
the different geometries employed to produce the endpoint.
If information rather than intensity is important for
interaction with the neural network (Jahn & Dunne, 1987), then
_these_ unspecified "background" patterns may be the source of
both the experimental effects and the failures of
interlaboratory replications. A concrete example of this problem
exists within the putative association between exposure to power
(60 Hz) frequency magnetic fields and certain types of cancer.
The existence of these transients, often superimposed upon the
fundamental 60-Hz frequency, is still the least considered factor
in the attempts to specify the characteristics of the fields
which promote aberrant mitosis (Wilson, Stevens, & Anderson,
1990).
Within the last five years, several researchers have reported
that direct and significant effects upon specific neuropatterns
can be evoked by extremely weak magnetic fields whose intensities
are within the range of normal geomagnetic variations. Sandyk
(1992) has discerned significant changes in vulnerable subjects
such as patients who were diagnosed with neurological disorders
following exposure of short durations to magnetic fields whose
strengths are within the pT to nT range but whose spatial
applications are multifocal (a fasces-type structure) and
designed to introduce heterogeneous patterns within a very
localized brain space. The effective components of the field
(which are assumed to be discrete temporal patterns due to the
modulation of the frequency and intensity of the electromagnetic
fields) are not always obvious; however, the power levels for
these amplitudes are similar to those associated with the signals
(generated globally by radio and communication systems) within
which most human beings are exposed constantly.
The most parsimonious process by which all human brains could
be affected would require (1) the immersion of all the
approximately 6 billion brains of the human species within the
same medium or (2) a coercive interaction because there was
facilitation of a very narrow-band window of vulnerability within
each brain. For the first option, the steady-state or "permanent"
component of the earth's magnetic field meets the criterion. The
possibility that masses of susceptible people could be influenced
during critical conditions by extremely small variations (less
than 1%) of the steady-state amplitude (50,000 nT) of the earth's
magnetic field such as during geomagnetic storms (50 to 500 nT)
has been discussed elsewhere (Persinger, 1983). Recent
experimental evidence which has shown a threshold in geomagnetic
activity of about 20 nT to 30 nT for the report of vestibular
experiences in human beings and the facilitation of limbic
seizures in rodents is consistent with this hypothesis.
The potential for the creation of an aggregate process with
gestalt-like properties which reflect the average
characteristics of the brains that are maintained with this
field and that generate the aggregate has also been developed
(Persinger & Lafreniere, 1977) and has been labelled the
"geopsyche." This phenomenon would be analogous to the vectorial
characteristics of an electromagnetic field which is induced by
current moving through billions of elements such as wires
contained within a relative small volume compared to the source.
Such gestalts, like fields in general, also affect the elements
which contribute to the matrix (Freeman, 1990).
The second option would require access to a very narrow limit
of physical properties within which all brains are maintained to
generate consciousness and the experience of self-awareness.
This factor would be primarily loaded by the variable of brain
temperature. Although the relationship between absolute
temperature and wavelength is generally clear [an example which
can be described by Wien's law and is well documented in
astrophysics (Wyatt, 1965)], the implications for access to
brain activity have not been explored. The fragile
neurocognitive processes that maintain consciousness and the
sense of self normally exist between 308[degrees]K and
312[degrees]K (35[degrees]C and 39[degrees]C). The fundamental
wavelength associated with this emission is about 10 micrometers
which is well within the long infrared wavelength.
However, the ratio of this normal range divided by the
absolute temperature for normal brain activity which maintains
neurocognitive processes is only about 0.013
(4[degrees]K/312[degrees]K) or 1.3%. If there were a subharmonic
pattern in naturally occurring or technically generated magnetic
fields which also reflected this ratio, then all brains which
were operative within this temperature range could be affected
by the harmonic. For example, if 11.3 Hz were one of these
subharmonic electromagnetic frequencies, variations of only 1.3%
of this mean, i.e., 11.3 Hz +/- [plus or minus] 0.1 Hz, would
hypothetically be sufficient to affect the operations of all
normal brains. If this "major carrier frequency" contained
biorelevant information by being modulated in a meaningful way,
then the effective intensities could well be within the natural
range for background radiation (microwatts/cm2) and could be
hidden as chaotic components within the electromagnetic noise
associated with power generation and use.
One of the major direct prophylactics to the effects of these
fields would require alterations in core (brain) temperature
such as deep but reversible hypothermia. However, this condition
would disrupt the biochemical process upon which neuronal
activity and hence consciousness depends. Treatments which
precipitate alterations in neural activity, similar to those
which are associated with crude hypothermia, would be less
disruptive. Specific candidates which affect multiple receptor
systems such as clozepine (Clozaril) and acepromazine could be
possible pharmacological interventions.
The characteristics of the algorithm for euthermic
individuals are likely to be conspicuous (once isolated) but
should now be hidden within the synchronous activity which is
(1) modified and filtered by aggregates of neurons and (2)
modulated by sensory inputs and intrinsic oscillations (Kepler,
Marder, & Abbott, 1990) before they are crudely measured by
electrodes. Because the fundamental algorithm would be
essentially a stable parameter of body temperature, most
electrode montages (including monopolar to a nonbrain reference,
e.g., ear) would cancel or attenuate this index. Effectively,
the algorithm would be expressed in a manner similar to
descriptors for other aggregate phenomena as a physical constant
or as a limited set of these constants. This suggestion is
commensurate with the observation that the underlying neuronal
networks which coordinate millions of neurons manifest the
properties of a (mathematical) strange attractor with a very
limited number of degrees of freedom (Lopes, Da Silva, Kamphuis,
Van Neerven, & Pijn, 1990).
The physical chemical evidence for a fundamental process,
driven by a narrow limit of biological temperature, has been
accumulating. Fixed, oscillatory electromagnetic variations have
been shown _in_vitro_ for enzymes of the glycolytic pathway
(Higgins, Frenkel, Hulme, Lucas, & Rangazas, 1973) whose narrow
band of temperature sensitivity (around 37[degrees]C) is well
known. Although these oscillations are often measured as periods
(2.5-min. cycles), Ruegg (1973) reported a clear temperature
dependence of these oscillations within a range of 1 to 20 Hz
between 20[degrees]C and 35[degrees]C in invertebrate muscle.
The most probable brain source which might serve as the
primary modulatory of these biochemical oscillators would
involve structures within the thalamus (Steriade & Deschenes,
1984). Neuronal aggregates with surprisingly fixed (within
0.1-Hz) oscillations are found within this structure and depend
primarily upon neurons that require gamma amino butyric acid or
GABA (von Krosigk, Bal, & McCormick, 1993). This inhibitory
amino acid is specially derived from the normal,
temperature-sensitive degradation of glucose by the GABA shunt
(Delorey & Olsen, 1994).
Within the last two decades (Persinger, Ludwig, & Ossenkopp,
1973) a potential has emerged which was improbable but which is
now marginally feasible. This potential is the technical
capability to influence directly the major portion of the
approximately six billion brains of the human species without
mediation through classical sensory modalities by generating
neural information within a physical medium within which all
members of the species are immersed. The historical emergence
of such possibilities, which have ranged from gunpowder to
atomic fission, have resulted in major changes in the social
evolution that occurred inordinately quickly after the
implementation. Reduction of the risk of the inappropriate
application of these technologies requires the continued and
open discussion of their _realistic_ feasibility and
implications within the scientific and public domain.

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[enga]

Here is a strange sensation I've been having the past 8 months or so. It feels like someone is pushing their thumb under my left ear, sometimes along my left jaw, and a couple times on my chin. It seems to happen at spontaneous times, but more often when I am laying down ready to go to sleep. It doesn't hurt, it's just like a pressure, but feels physical. Sometimes I even feel my face to maybe move the hand (?) out of the way but of course I can't feel anything there. Anyone know what this is?


It's funny you mention that, for a couple of days on and off I had the sensation of a hand in the middle of my back. I really should have thought to post about it before.

[hawk]

You'd better be careful. It could be the start of an incubus being attracted to you.
:eek:

[krakhead]

Here is a strange sensation I've been having the past 8 months or so. It feels like someone is pushing their thumb under my left ear, sometimes along my left jaw, and a couple times on my chin. It seems to happen at spontaneous times, but more often when I am laying down ready to go to sleep. It doesn't hurt, it's just like a pressure, but feels physical. Sometimes I even feel my face to maybe move the hand (?) out of the way but of course I can't feel anything there. Anyone know what this is?

It could be an incubus, or mind control technology, or god etc.

Or it could just be one of those things. I've experienced it for years. As I fall asleep I get a pressure either on the left side of my head or directly in the centre of my forehead. I find it relaxing as it signifies I'll be asleep soon.

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. I'm sure you're safe :)

[deca]

you might want to check this thread out biblegirl

Something that has been happening to me
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62937
For the last couple of months, around once a week, I will feel as if something is on me. I shall explain.

It is always right before I close my eyes while in bed. This is not when I am dozing off or very sleepy. All of a sudden I feel as if someone gets on top of my legs (near my thighs) and sits there [when I say get on top of my legs I mean it feels as if someone is shifting their weight: like someone who sits on you].

(I do not own pets/nothing could fall off from the walls/ceiling)

Obviously I sit up quickly (it's startles me every time) and pull up the covers since I'm always cold and there is nothing is there.

Could this be something paranormal or am I over reacting?

I not heard from noir for a while , I think she was moving thou collage, job?

[deca]

biblegirl have you found a solution or more incite into your experience ?


I do appreciate feedback , its is important too me. One of my problems is trying to change peoples perception and belief about this, I not sure if I am effective.Unfortunately with out a real change in peoples perception and belief there will be no political pressure to change and regulate this.

[novymir]

Here is a strange sensation I've been having the past 8 months or so. It feels like someone is pushing their thumb under my left ear, sometimes along my left jaw, and a couple times on my chin. It seems to happen at spontaneous times, but more often when I am laying down ready to go to sleep. It doesn't hurt, it's just like a pressure, but feels physical. Sometimes I even feel my face to maybe move the hand (?) out of the way but of course I can't feel anything there. Anyone know what this is?

It could be several things. I myself experience a strange subliminal-like filter in my visual field, if I look hard enough. This began after I was investigating subliminal words and images in the media. I began to be able to see them. They are like a near transparent ink applied to a transparency and overlaid over say, a magazine cover. But that's another story...

Anyways, recently I had these"crawling" like sensations, like a bug crawling on my where-ever but nothing is there. I think alot of this stuff has to do with what has been downloaded into our head... like a fear or worry of a spider or whatever crawling on me, but at the same time I would not dismiss the idea that "them", from where surrounding our plane of existence, could be messing with me. They know our fears, they implanted them.
I've had more serious stuff going on, etheric, astral-plane stuff that was definately meant to intimidate. Now I laugh at them.

Most people I suppose would think, "oh, come on, why would they bother with little-old-you", well, maybe cause it's no big deal for "them", and there are more of "them" than people might think. I mean, if there is a race of Beings residing in the lower 4th "dimension", taking advantage of us, why would it be a big deal? The 4th is made up of 1-4, they can see us, but we generally cannot perceive them. And, there's a reason for that, we have been programed and our perceptions artificially limited.
That's all "they" really have, is a perceptual advantage and a greater intellectual capacity-- but they lack Spirit, the Supreme Knowledge-base-- instantaneous, unpredictable, and Divine.

And that is the answer to any problem. Don't get bent out of shape about it, don't spend to much time trying to figure it out. Just embrace the Creative Spirit within of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH, and NOTHING can harm you, the REAL YOU. And don't allow it to steer you away from your path.
If you think it's a malevolent spirit or Being, tell 'em to get lost, they are unwelcome, they have no right to intrude into your existence, tell -em to get their own life, fix themselves instead of fucking with people. But try not to get pissed off at them, or fight them, and also, make a conscious statement that you have no intent or desire to manifest any kind of entity/spirit/or reality that is not of LOVE.

[biblegirl]

biblegirl have you found a solution or more incite into your experience ?


I do appreciate feedback , its is important too me. One of my problems is trying to change peoples perception and belief about this, I not sure if I am effective.Unfortunately with out a real change in peoples perception and belief there will be no political pressure to change and regulate this.

Hello Deca :). I haven't had this happen again since I posted, which is another oddity, once I talk about what is happening to me, it usually stops lol!

I've been looking into your electronic harassment information, yes I believe I am dealing with that to some extent: feeling pin pricks on my body like shocks, and lots of muscle twitches and involuntary movements, noises that sound like radio static...

I think that, although this is technology is very real and in use today, there are multi-dimensional happenings as well that can be confused with it, and vice versa. I still don't completely understand what is happening to me, but I am feeling fine, and staying positive about it ;).

Thank you everyone for your replies, apparently this sort of thing is more common than I thought.

[deca]

Hello Deca :). I haven't had this happen again since I posted, which is another oddity, once I talk about what is happening to me, it usually stops lol!

I've been looking into your electronic harassment information, yes I believe I am dealing with that to some extent: feeling pin pricks on my body like shocks, and lots of muscle twitches and involuntary movements, noises that sound like radio static...

I think that, although this is technology is very real and in use today, there are multi-dimensional happenings as well that can be confused with it, and vice versa. I still don't completely understand what is happening to me, but I am feeling fine, and staying positive about it ;).

Thank you everyone for your replies, apparently this sort of thing is more common than I thought.

Sounds like electronic harassment :mad:
Does the static sound like white noise , its not white noise if you listen to it it will change get more erratic if you are in frustrated/angry and smooth when you are more calm also there tones that might make you feel suicidal or depressed , You need some hymn sync or binary beats and to keep your mind busy so you don`t get entrained to this stuff , also realizing your emotions and mood/thoughts might be interfered with so if you feel down or worse realize its not the true you and perk yourself up realizing it will pass
also does the "static sound" feel/sound like somebody is turn a knob to tune it in? The "static" sound might change vary slightly and its pattern might change, think its more of an isochronic tones sound


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_noise


Free/pay software brainwave_entrainment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_brainwave_entrainment_software

Brainwave entrainment is the practice of entraining one's brainwaves to a desired frequency, by means of a periodic stimulus with corresponding frequency. The stimulus can be aural as in the case of binaural beats, monaural beats, and isochronic tones, visual, as with a dreamachine, a combination of the two as with a mind machine, or even electrical or magnetic stimulation. It should be noted that the software intended to be used solely for brainwave entrainment comprise only a fraction of all of the software that can be used for brainwave entrainment.
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[biblegirl]

Sounds like electronic harassment :mad:
Does the static sound like white noise , its not white noise if you listen to it it will change get more erratic if you are in frustrated/angry and smooth when you are more calm also there tones that might make you feel suicidal or depressed , You need some hymn sync or binary beats and to keep your mind busy so you don`t get entrained to this stuff , also realizing your emotions and mood/thoughts might be interfered with so if you feel down or worse realize its not the true you and perk yourself up realizing it will pass
also does the "static sound" feel/sound like somebody is turn a knob to tune it in? The "static" sound might change vary slightly and its pattern might change, think its more of an isochronic tones sound


What I've been hearing, at first I thought was a fly or a bee trapped in a part of my bedroom, like it sounds similar to when those little guys are flying against a closed window trying to get out. Sometimes it gets quite loud, I have looked around to find a trapped bug, but there is nothing there. Listening more closely to it, it sounds less, um, organic than an insect. Like radio type whirring noise. I don't know, it is strange. I usually only hear it in my bedroom though, so I wondered if I had a hive within my walls or something.

[deca]

now you mention it does sound a bit like that, like I said it can sound like hiss or white noise but its more complex than that.
sounds the hiss will be there but theres other suttle tones "have patterns in them" could should like wings of an insect beating fast plus bumping into something, in a rhythmic/ random way

one way to find is its in side your head is to try and record it with a mic, I would also use a wave editor to visualy see the sound as well, they are very clever with there audio and can overly it and fool you (in real time)

[deca]

all I can say at this point if it is mind control & electronic harassment technology and you realize it and theirs no saying it is at the moment then they will probably hit you hard to discredit you and prevent you form proving it.

At least you have read about it and warned about the subject, if other stuff starts to happen that makes you suspect that it is.


I be on here if you need me ok.

[corivss]

Meh, your probably just quite good looking and some pervert ghost just can't help himself from touching your pretty face ;)

[krakhead]

What I've been hearing, at first I thought was a fly or a bee trapped in a part of my bedroom, like it sounds similar to when those little guys are flying against a closed window trying to get out. Sometimes it gets quite loud, I have looked around to find a trapped bug, but there is nothing there. Listening more closely to it, it sounds less, um, organic than an insect. Like radio type whirring noise. I don't know, it is strange. I usually only hear it in my bedroom though, so I wondered if I had a hive within my walls or something.

Tinnitus maybe? Don't want to be a chip-pisser, but 'common things occur commonly' - Occam's razor and all that. Electronic mind control - while not impossible, is probably less likely isn't it? Unless you really want it to be gov't interference because the work you are doing is so important and a threat to 'them' that they have no choice but to attack you! :p :D

[sade]

Wow. So much nonsense in one thread.
Anyways, if you're worried about it being a neg; put a bowl of salt under your bed.
That should purify the room and lift the vibrations up a bit, if it's really a neg.
But honestly, rather than it being some "incubus" or whatever else,
it could be your spirit guide/guardian angel.

When Im raising energy I sometimes feel that someone is blowing air on my face,
but it's a calming sensation.

[deca]

Tinnitus maybe? Don't want to be a chip-pisser, but 'common things occur commonly' - Occam's razor and all that. Electronic mind control - while not impossible, is probably less likely isn't it? Unless you really want it to be gov't interference because the work you are doing is so important and a threat to 'them' that they have no choice but to attack you! :p :D

First of all they have had the capability to transmit microwave hearing effect (V2K) for a long time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect
Dr. Don R. Justesen published "Microwaves and Behavior" in The American Psychologist (Volume 30, March 1975, Number 3).

Research by NASA in the 1970s[citation needed] showed that this effect occurs as a result of thermal expansion of parts of the human ear around the cochlea, even at low power density. Later, signal modulation was found to produce sounds or words that appeared to originate intracranially. It was studied for its possible use in communications but has not been developed due to the possible hazardous biological effects of microwave radiation. Similar research conducted in the USSR studied its use in non-lethal weaponry.[citation needed]

so the been able to transmit speech since 1970 < nearly 40 years ago how much has changed technology wise in the last 40 years? how advanced do you think this is? The audio is clearer than my sodding mobile phone and in surround sound ok dude in fact they been when you think about they have spent longer on developing this than they have mobile phones.

Hmm Oh yes most of are surrounded by plenty of source where this could by transmitted from I.E mobile phone mast, Plus the Tetra police system basically mimics the Montauk Project projects frequencies And there mast are all over Europe in every town and city dude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

http://www.tetrawatch.net/main/index.php

Also You are sat next to your PC able to pick up radio,TV,mobile phone,WIFI,GPS ect signals all actually are picked up by your body as it acts a an antenna , this slightly heats your body up......but its quite possible to use these signals as a carrier to in bed patterns that your brain and body understands ok.

How is it to target somebody with pulsed microwaves ?
Well dude you can easy do it yourself by just phoning them up on there mobile , the mobile phone company with their Cell network will find the mobile phone , the nearest mast the transmit the signal.

Hmm do you think they use some other Tracking system and transmit other signals the effected the mind and body?

Well guess what they have CELLDAR
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/13/humanrights.mobilephones

How mobile phones let spies see our every move

Government's secret Celldar project will allow surveillance of anyone, at any time and anywhere there is a phone signal
Secret radar technology research that will allow the biggest-ever extension of 'Big Brother'-style surveillance in the UK is being funded by the Government.

The radical new system, which has outraged civil liberties groups, uses mobile phone masts to allow security authorities to watch vehicles and individuals 'in real time' almost anywhere in Britain.

The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by mobile phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile objects, such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. Previously, radar needed massive fixed equipment to work and transmissions from mobile phone masts were thought too weak to be useful.

The system works wherever a mobile phone can pick up a signal. By using receivers attached to mobile phone masts, users of the new technology could focus in on areas hundreds of miles away and bring up a display showing any moving vehicles and people.

An individual with one type of receiver, a portable unit little bigger than a laptop computer, could even use it as a 'personal radar' covering the area around the user. Researchers are working to give the new equipment 'X-ray vision' - the capability to 'see' through walls and look into people's homes.

Ministry of Defence officials are hoping to introduce the system as soon as resources allow. Police and security services are known to be interested in a variety of possible surveillance applications. The researchers themselves say the system, known as Celldar, is aimed at anti-terrorism defence, security and road traffic management.

However civil liberties groups have been swift to condemn the plan.


And lets not even start with satellites hmm there is a least 8000 man made ones and it only takes 3 to cover the earth? for bouncing of communications
especially these low orbit bastards.


So my friend government mind control is probably more likely, They have a long history in trying to control the mind , using unwitting human guinea pigs. The technology is not only been admitted the capability to deploy it is already available right outside your house

The only thing that is stopping it from being officially exposed is people who claim their targets of this are ridiculed , told they are mad locked up and drugged under the mental health laws , told its more likely to be Aliens,ghost,4th demesions ect...


Well at least I am conscious of this and have researched it and informed others.

Also you seem quite easy to accept that ET`s,Aliens will come here millions of miles for anther planet ect and abducted a random human and experiment on them , but think its unlikely that our own government/military would do they same even thou they have a long history off doing so?

[lauren_almighty]

it doesn't sound like anything sinister. it probably is a spirit or guardian angel. i've felt somebody touching me many times. it feels really light like they are trying to be so gentle. i've had marks left behind on my skin in the exact same spot where i was touched.

[deca]

it doesn't sound like anything sinister. it probably is a spirit or guardian angel. i've felt somebody touching me many times. it feels really light like they are trying to be so gentle. i've had marks left behind on my skin in the exact same spot where i was touched.

were the marks black pin head size?

[lauren_almighty]

were the marks black pin head size?


no. they were like burn marks as though i had been burnt by an iron or something. they weren't red or sore and they didn't hurt. they look just like an old burn when all the redness has gone. they are an oval shape so i always say they are finger prints.

[deca]

I would still look at some type of direct energy weapon(DEW)

I don`t personal get fucked in ways that would leave marks thank God , I would have them on the net in minutes and would just add to my proof , But there is a Few TI`s that have had marks

saying that I do get a a Fake sunburn effect/tan sometimes even thou I not been out in the sun or its winter? could this been what you are describing but in a weird oval pattern ?

[thelyran]

Here is a strange sensation I've been having the past 8 months or so. It feels like someone is pushing their thumb under my left ear, sometimes along my left jaw, and a couple times on my chin. It seems to happen at spontaneous times, but more often when I am laying down ready to go to sleep. It doesn't hurt, it's just like a pressure, but feels physical. Sometimes I even feel my face to maybe move the hand (?) out of the way but of course I can't feel anything there. Anyone know what this is?

Hello Madam,
...now this is slightly different,but have had the phenomena and was told it would happen before it did.It was my first crystal healing,to remove hooks and chords from an occult group.
...Leigh Hackney,brilliant he is said"before you go through this,you may have the sensation of having hands touch your legs,don't feel alarmed,I've just tuned your higher being to help with the healing,in fact,you do the healing,I
just help facilitate."...and sure enough,beautiful golden hands healed my legs.
...I complained about the ringing in the ears,he went on to describe the ascended trying to contact me at different times,it's called a sine wave,but the occultist used to utilise it,you can tell theirs,as a fog of confusion comes across your brow and third-eye area,they basically scare you with your own gifts,if you were previously unknown to them.
...Not all would be a negative attack,and since you play around with high energies anyway,with organite,crystals,meditation or relaxation,and incorporating sublime thinking in your woken state,as I can tell by your usual warm posting style,you may as well get used to tactile impressions from the ether,as you are a highly attuned individual,verging on psychic...now do a wiggle and be happy with yourself,Biblegirl,one of the good girls,take care,Love Jase.

[lordzoma]

Look at this thread!!

Did you notice EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this thread automatically assumes that the feeling is coming from something external?

Not one person ever once suggested that it is an internal event.

Before you look to an external source for the feeling beneath your ear, you should first consider the possibility it is simply your own chi.

I am not a master of pressure points, but it is not overly difficult to find people who are.

I would recommend you grab a yellow pages, and call a few kung fu masters that you can find in there. Find out if the area where you are feeling the pressure corresponds with an illness or imbalance relating to one of the bodies organs. Pressure points connect to other parts within your body by way of lines of chi. Feeling a constant spiritual pressure on an area could be a sign your body is imbalanced in a very specific way and that there is a remedy for it.

If it was any spirit that was touching you and you are capable of feeling astral energy, the energy wouldn't remained focused on a single spot on the side of your face. The energy would primarily well up from your chakras, focusing either on your heart chakra or your root chakra. It is quite different from a single focused pressure.

Outside electromagnetic disturbances usually manifest first as a ringing in the ear, and not as a pressure on the skin.

There are pressure points underneath the jaw, this I know for a fact. It could also be an indication of nerve damage to your jaw. Have you ever dislocated it before?

[deca]

Look at this thread!!

Did you notice EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this thread automatically assumes that the feeling is coming from something external?

Not one person ever once suggested that it is an internal event.

Before you look to an external source for the feeling beneath your ear, you should first consider the possibility it is simply your own chi.

I am not a master of pressure points, but it is not overly difficult to find people who are.

I would recommend you grab a yellow pages, and call a few kung fu masters that you can find in there. Find out if the area where you are feeling the pressure corresponds with an illness or imbalance relating to one of the bodies organs. Pressure points connect to other parts within your body by way of lines of chi. Feeling a constant spiritual pressure on an area could be a sign your body is imbalanced in a very specific way and that there is a remedy for it.

If it was any spirit that was touching you and you are capable of feeling astral energy, the energy wouldn't remained focused on a single spot on the side of your face. The energy would primarily well up from your chakras, focusing either on your heart chakra or your root chakra. It is quite different from a single focused pressure.

Outside electromagnetic disturbances usually manifest first as a ringing in the ear, and not as a pressure on the skin.

There are pressure points underneath the jaw, this I know for a fact. It could also be an indication of nerve damage to your jaw. Have you ever dislocated it before?

Outside electromagnetic disturbances usually manifest first as a ringing in the ear, and not as a pressure on the skin.


I think you will find that many victims of electromagnetic disturbances complain of many symptoms and there is no set pattern how they effect and individual
Where did you come across this ?
Ghost hunting EMF can create feelings of being watched and uneasy
TI`s,EM hypersensitive, Microwave sickness ,Geo stress , all have similar or slightly different Based on
Symptoms

Most early health research work focused on occupational exposure of military personnel and some on the effects of weaponry. The first significant report (Sadcikova) describing occupational 'microwave sickness' appeared in 1974. The symptoms included fatigue, headaches, palpitations, insomnia, skin symptoms, impotence and altered blood pressure. Further occupational research [Forman 1982, Wayne 1984, Graham 1985, Marchiori 1995] added the following symptoms resulting from acute exposure; warming sensations, nausea, neuropathy (numbness, tingling, even paralysis in toes and fingers), stomach cramps, dyasthesia (a crushing sensation) and irritability.

I think you will find most of us know ourselves pretty well so when something starts to effect us we try to find out what it is.

I think most of us have not recently took up a life style to alter or chi like Ti chi or started reading information that would alter ourselves

[krakhead]

Did you notice EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this thread automatically assumes that the feeling is coming from something external?


I didn't :)

[kassondra8]

Yes, I get feelings like that now and then. I was out camping a few weeks ago, sitting out at night, and suddenly got the strangest sensation on my back. It was a big spot that was suddenly very hot, much more so than the surrounding skin, and started tingling, kind of like the creepy feeling when the hair on the back of your neck stands up. Freaked me out. It lasted a few mintutes, longer than usual for me.

It could be several things. I myself experience a strange subliminal-like filter in my visual field, if I look hard enough. This began after I was investigating subliminal words and images in the media. I began to be able to see them. They are like a near transparent ink applied to a transparency and overlaid over say, a magazine cover. But that's another story...

How does this work??? And what types of subliminals? Sometimes, out of the corner of my eye, I see strange words in advertisements, but when I look again they are gone. Often they are words/phrases like the ones in the movie They Live. Obey, and shit like that. Sometimes my boyfriend will see the same word at the same time.

[gods sun]

the feeling you getting is actually a spiritual concept more than radio waves and wi fi etc, it can happen, many spirits are lonley and need attention and to be loved but cant find it as many maybe lost in different realms or could be your gardian angels just letting you know it loves you.

[hopelight]

Meh, your probably just quite good looking and some pervert ghost just can't help himself from touching your pretty face ;)

I wish that it it is funny, but it isnt, at all! Being touched and forced against your will - the definition is clear.

[deca]

the feeling you getting is actually a spiritual concept more than radio waves and wi fi etc, it can happen, many spirits are lonley and need attention and to be loved but cant find it as many maybe lost in different realms or could be your gardian angels just letting you know it loves you.


Have you investigated this ? took readings etc????

or do just what people to believe its from a "spiritual concept"


Dr persinger has a "spiritual concept" and can demonstrate it in repeatable experiments with his "God" helmet and weak complex EMF over the front lobes ......These similar weak complex EMF have been found at haunting hot spots and there is more than enough EMF emitting from a digital alarm clock to induce these experiences.....so its very possible that our homes could be full of these through complex interactions from the various equipment and natural sources of EMF.

[deedees]

I've had quite a number of these types of things happen to me in the past which have all been quite gentle and not much to worry about. I did have one experience after going to bed, lying on my stomach I felt something very heavy on my back, this 'something' then pulled my hair and throughout the whole thing i couldnt breathe or talk or scream. I have read some things on incubus but this was more violent than sexual.

[hopelight]

Have you investigated this ? took readings etc????

or do just what people to believe its from a "spiritual concept"


Dr persinger has a "spiritual concept" and can demonstrate it in repeatable experiments with his "God" helmet and weak complex EMF over the front lobes ......These similar weak complex EMF have been found at haunting hot spots and there is more than enough EMF emitting from a digital alarm clock to induce these experiences.....so its very possible that our homes could be full of these through complex interactions from the various equipment and natural sources of EMF.

I have found you on many threads. Absolutely no sense at all.

[deca]

I have found you on many threads. Absolutely no sense at all.

yep its easier to believe in spirits than Dr persingers work on EMF god helmet and Tectonic Strain Theory

http://ghosts-hauntings.suite101.com/article.cfm/ghost_hunting_equipment_emf_meter
Michael Persinger, Professor of Psychology at Laurentian University, Ontario, Canada, has a theory regarding EMF. His theory, which he presents in a chapter in the book Hauntings and Poltergeists (McFarland &Co, 2001), is that the sensation commonly described as “having a paranormal experience” is merely a side effect of both sides of our brain trying to work together. Simplified, the idea goes like this: When the right hemisphere of the brain, the side associated with emotion, is stimulated in a particular part of the cerebral region, and then the left hemisphere, the language side, is called upon to make sense of these stimulations, the mind generates a “sense of presence.” Dr. Persinger believes such cerebral “fritzing” is responsible for almost anything we might describe as paranormal such as apparitions, ghost lights, poltergeist activity and so on. Experimental subjects who were exposed to a specific series of pulses from TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) described feeling an invisible presence near them or feeling connected to the whole world.

Read more at Suite101: Ghost Hunting Equipment: EMF Meter: How to Use an Electromagnetic Field Meter in a Haunted House http://ghosts-hauntings.suite101.com/article.cfm/ghost_hunting_equipment_emf_meter#ixzz0j5CBvIWh

How can you be interested in the paranormal and the spiritual world and not come across his work??


why do ghost hunters use EMF detectors???:rolleyes:


would you understand it if I said some "energy" caused an "experience"