Neil Armstrong possibly not first man on moon

[raven200]

Recently listening to Richard Hoagland and his investigation on the moon and possible old ruins still there, I decided to find interviews of Neil Armstrong.

Our hero, the man we know as first man on the moon.

What I have found was this interview, which I have put the link to below is that he himself sayingg that "I was not chosen to be first".

Could he possbily be hinting at the evidence that men had already been to the moon before him.

Have a look at the link below and listen to his interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqzbnSymE2w

[hadabusa]

its true, hes not the1st, because he wasnt there.:rolleyes:

[decim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqzbnSymE2w

[size_of_light]

I have no idea what I think about the moon v. no moon landing, but I always thought it was odd that Neil Armstrong has shunned the limelight as much as possible ever since.

[hagbard_celine]

its true, hes not the1st, because he wasnt there.:rolleyes:

Armstrong may well have gone to the moon. In fact anybody who claims to have gone there could be telling the truth. But if Armstrong really went to the moon he did not go in a Stone Age chemical rocket with polystyrene radiation shileds!:confused: He would have gone in a far more sophisitcated antigravitic craft, built either by secret govt scientists or their extraterrestrial allies.

[hagbard_celine]

I have no idea what I think about the moon v. no moon landing, but I always thought it was odd that Neil Armstrong has shunned the limelight as much as possible ever since.

Check out this TV documentary about a man who tries to track down Neil Armstrong: http://redirectingat.com/?id=593X1004&url=http%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lkvln/Being_Neil_Armstrong/

Being a pivotal figure in such a monstrous hoax could be one reason, but there’s so much more!:eek::confused: A few years after he was allegedly walking on the moon he got involved with this! :cool: What do you think?: Funny how Andrew Smith never discovered this! This is a shame because he'd be interested in it I'm sure

[alan3333]

That was a great program :) The emails he got back from Neil were very interesting.

[hagbard_celine]

That was a great program :) The emails he got back from Neil were very interesting.

He obviously loves flying. I can see the parallels with Charles Lindburgh's life. I once had a lucid dream where I was flying Lindburgh's plane.

[elton]

He obviously loves flying. I can see the parallels with Charles Lindburgh's life. I once had a lucid dream where I was flying Lindburgh's plane.

Thats probably a reason why it has been easy to maintain the hoax. Apart from the guy on Apollo 17 (Schmitt?) they were all test-pilots and most were only interested in the aviation aspects of zipping around in spacecraft. None were particularly interested in wandering around on the moons surface.

With that in mind they would be happy to maintain the hoax cos they got to do the low-earth orbit stuff as payment for keeping quiet. They also got fancy cars and women and lived a playboy lifestyle on Cocoa Beach. Lucky bastards.

[alan3333]

Personally i think Hynosis has played a huge part in all space missions.

[hagbard_celine]

Personally i think Hynosis has played a huge part in all space missions.

It definitely has for those of us down on Earth watching them!:eek: Do you think that the astrnauts were under hypnosis?

[sexi_co]

I know i keep going on about this film, but its really worth watching if you are interested in the moon landings and if we were there 1st. Its increadably well put together and has answered many questions for me. (Also created new ones!)

Jose Escamilla - Moon Rising (part 1/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ3wh2cjekE&feature=related


or torrent (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/103829833/moon+rising?tab=summary)


:)

[hagbard_celine]

I know i keep going on about this film, but its really worth watching if you are interested in the moon landings and if we were there 1st. Its increadably well put together and has answered many questions for me. (Also created new ones!)

Jose Escamilla - Moon Rising (part 1/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ3wh2cjekE&feature=related


or torrent (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/103829833/moon+rising?tab=summary)


:)

Everybody's talking about this film so I had to see it!:):cool:

It’s actually not a bad movie in places. It’s true that the public are being given a false impression of what exists up there on our celestial neighbour. But the thing is that those processed images that the movie’s producers made are also misleading at times:(. Some of those objects that are said to be UFO’s hovering above the lunar surface are nothing of the sort; they’re just ordinary features made to look different by the colouration.:rolleyes::confused:

[sexi_co]

Everybody's talking about this film so I had to see it!:):cool:

It’s actually not a bad movie in places. It’s true that the public are being given a false impression of what exists up there on our celestial neighbour. But the thing is that those processed images that the movie’s producers made are also misleading at times:(. Some of those objects that are said to be UFO’s hovering above the lunar surface are nothing of the sort; they’re just ordinary features made to look different by the colouration.:rolleyes::confused:

Hahaha, ive just answered this somewhere else so i'll copy and paste... lol

Yes, i agree to a certain extent, but at the same time, we just dont know do we!? There are a few things in the film that are really interesting though, like the chevron. There is definately something in that. There's other stuff aswell that when i think about what ive seen in the past from different researchers, just clicks in my mind. Dot connecting i think is the best way of putting it.

:p;):)

[alan3333]

It definitely has for those of us down on Earth watching them!:eek: Do you think that the astrnauts were under hypnosis?

I don't believe they were DURING the event.I do believe however that when they were in space/on the moon they seen things that shocked them to the core.They were then told never to mention what they had seen but as a precaution they were hypnotised.Hence the reason Buzz aldrin throws up/goes crazy when people ask him about it..i'm not 100% sure about Neil though.In the Press conference they all look like Zombies!

I have been over this a million times in my head and i do think they went to the moon in 1969.They had a massive contingency plan incase anything went wrong ie Film sets were the official photos were taken and also the video footage.This was incase the communcations failed and they had no proof of the day.I very much doubt it was all faked bacause it would simply be too much of a job to cover it up.When whatever happend up there happend, they launched Plan B in which they played a pre recorded video on the television to show the world and then worked there magic on the pictures.

It's my belief that somthing happend up there and they quickly tried to cover things up.Much like 9/11 in some cases although with 9/11 they had much better technology but still managed to f*** it up :rolleyes:

[sexi_co]

I don't believe they were DURING the event.I do believe however that when they were in space/on the moon they seen things that shocked them to the core.They were then told never to mention what they had seen but as a precaution they were hypnotised.Hence the reason Buzz aldrin throws up/goes crazy when people ask him about it..i'm not 100% sure about Neil though.In the Press conference they all look like Zombies!

I have been over this a million times in my head and i do think they went to the moon in 1969.They had a massive contingency plan incase anything went wrong ie Film sets were the official photos were taken and also the video footage.This was incase the communcations failed and they had no proof of the day.I very much doubt it was all faked bacause it would simply be too much of a job to cover it up.When whatever happend up there happend, they launched Plan B in which they played a pre recorded video on the television to show the world and then worked there magic on the pictures.

It's my belief that somthing happend up there and they quickly tried to cover things up.Much like 9/11 in some cases although with 9/11 they had much better technology but still managed to f*** it up :rolleyes:

I think you've nailed it mate. Bang on. Im convinced that they did indeed go and yes they did see things they prob couldnt explain. In a picture of one of the astronauts, you can see a UFO in the visor reflection. Also, ive heard the original tape recordings of the landings, in them Buzz says words to the effect of
'I can see something flying over by the crator'.
Mission controls reply was,
'Yea, we know about that'.

[bulltwister]

I hadn't seen the Apollo 11 press conference footage until a couple of years ago..........It's stil in my mind.....Have you all seen Capricorn One?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-364883774856478814

[hagbard_celine]

I don't believe they were DURING the event.I do believe however that when they were in space/on the moon they seen things that shocked them to the core.They were then told never to mention what they had seen but as a precaution they were hypnotised.

It's possible that whatever kind of cover-up they were part of they actually belive it now, like the fake Paul McCartney truly belives he really is Paul:eek:. Tt’s possible they've convinced themselves! Secret agents working undercover in foreign governments often forget their true identities even after five years of living another life, not only acting but thinking like the person they’re pretending to be; this is why they’re so vulnerable to being recruited as “doubles”.

Hence the reason Buzz aldrin throws up/goes crazy when people ask him about it..i'm not 100% sure about Neil though. Neil is avoiding all publicity; see above. But the reason Buzz went crazy on the street was because of that tit Bart Sibrel:mad::rolleyes:, the so called "researcher" who gives us all a bad name. I sometimes think he's controlled opposition.;)

In the Press conference they all look like Zombies! Yeah, they looked like they couldn't wait to be elsewhere.

I have been over this a million times in my head and i do think they went to the moon in 1969.They had a massive contingency plan incase anything went wrong ie Film sets were the official photos were taken and also the video footage.This was incase the communcations failed and they had no proof of the day.I very much doubt it was all faked bacause it would simply be too much of a job to cover it up.When whatever happend up there happend, they launched Plan B in which they played a pre recorded video on the television to show the world and then worked there magic on the pictures.

It's my belief that somthing happend up there and they quickly tried to cover things up.Much like 9/11 in some cases although with 9/11 they had much better technology but still managed to f*** it up :rolleyes:

I also believe that people have actually been to the moon, but unlike you I think that Apollo was completely fake and the real journeys to the moon were done completely differently and in total secret. I agree though that astronauts have seen strange things in space, there's no doubt about that. They continue to do so today and few speak out about it. Gary Cooper was one who had the guts to tell us about it.

[alan3333]

Hagbard I havn't heard of Gary Cooper or Bart Sibrel ...i shall have a look at them now :)

The only reason i believe that they did go, and that all of the data we have seen on the event was faked is that my mind can't comprehend such a massive lie.

I mean how can you keep all that a secret from the hundreds of N.A.S.A employees? You can cover up the photo's and the video stream from the main 'Hub' of scientists in the control rooms as all you need to do is keep the people invloved in the fakes in the 'Loop' but to have EVERYONE in on it? Seems like a tall order to me :(

All i know is with all this 40th Anniversary talk on T.V/ Radio it sends a shiver down my spine wondering what has actually happend/ is happening up there.I feel we will never know.

[storm knight]

Ok, I had a conversation with the barbers, he mentioned, to the person before, about the moon landings he gave his arguments why he thought it was fake, and I replied using Logic and knowledge, I asked why are there no pictures of the back of the moon? Surely they have to slingshot the moon to land?

If there are ruins on the moon there most likely from ancient wars or just aliens.

[robdoo]

In "the shadow of the moon" the 2007 documentary that was on channel 4 last nite (Monday), has a clip where the astronauts are filming the earth after just leaving the atmosphere and you can clearly see orbs zipping around and a squiggly line moving/undulating in the earths atmosphere. Now thats either some unknown natural phenomenon or some form of advanced technology. I believe the same clip was used in "Secret Space" by Chris Everard.

I'll try and find the clip for u guys

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925248/

[deany]

In "the shadow of the moon" the 2007 documentary that was on channel 4 last nite (Monday), has a clip where the astronauts are filming the earth after just leaving the atmosphere and you can clearly see orbs zipping around and a squiggly line moving/undulating in the earths atmosphere. Now thats either some unknown natural phenomenon or some form of advanced technology. I believe the same clip was used in "Secret Space" by Chris Everard.

I'll try and find the clip for u guys

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925248/

sounds like the squiggly line is the "space Serpent" Everard shows video of in his films

[hagbard_celine]

Hagbard I havn't heard of Gary Cooper or Bart Sibrel ...i shall have a look at them now :)

The only reason i believe that they did go, and that all of the data we have seen on the event was faked is that my mind can't comprehend such a massive lie.

I mean how can you keep all that a secret from the hundreds of N.A.S.A employees? You can cover up the photo's and the video stream from the main 'Hub' of scientists in the control rooms as all you need to do is keep the people invloved in the fakes in the 'Loop' but to have EVERYONE in on it? Seems like a tall order to me :(

All i know is with all this 40th Anniversary talk on T.V/ Radio it sends a shiver down my spine wondering what has actually happend/ is happening up there.I feel we will never know.

I hope we do one day.:) But they'll never admit it freely. Some secrets are so big that any breaks would be catastrophic. From what I've seen there are even bigger secrets than the moon landings being faked out there!:confused::eek:

Compartmentalizing Apollo in order to keep the fasct that it was fake secret would not be as hard as you might think. I see all the time massive lies being perpetrated on all levels of socieity by willing but unknowning collaborators. Parliamtn is a good exmaple. Millions participate in elections and write to MP's etc when the whole Democracy culture is a scam.

[robdoo]

sounds like the squiggly line is the "space Serpent" Everard shows video of in his films

Yeah, thats what Everard calls them (space serpents). They were clearly see-able on my HD tv in the documentary "the shadow of the moon", which had all the Apollo 11 astronauts in it. I Cant find a video with good enough quality on the web to show you guys. There was talk of "orbs" in our atmosphere being meteors burning up, but serpentine movements are unheard of.

[merlincove]

its true, hes not the1st, because he wasnt there.:rolleyes:

Hm, a friend of mine who is very good friends with one of the astronauts, has told me that he spoke about 'footprints' on the lunar surface that were not human at dinner one time.

[hagbard_celine]

Hm, a friend of mine who is very good friends with one of the astronauts, has told me that he spoke about 'footprints' on the lunar surface that were not human at dinner one time.

Blimey!:eek: Can he or she get back in touch with this astronaut?

[brainfreeze]

I hope we do one day.:) But they'll never admit it freely. Some secrets are so big that any breaks would be catastrophic. From what I've seen there are even bigger secrets than the moon landings being faked out there!:confused::eek:

Compartmentalizing Apollo in order to keep the fasct that it was fake secret would not be as hard as you might think. I see all the time massive lies being perpetrated on all levels of socieity by willing but unknowning collaborators. Parliamtn is a good exmaple. Millions participate in elections and write to MP's etc when the whole Democracy culture is a scam.

What if they blasted off but only orbitted the earth like, was it apollo 13, the one that caught fire did. I saw it on tv the other night. I watch a docu on the astronaughts wives. If they were orbiting the earth only a few Nasa staff would have known about the "steaming video" and they'd have been silenced with hush money, surely?

Just a theary, though admittedly, not a well thought out one on my part.

I've also always wondered why Neil Armstrong is so quiet. Seriously, if I'd been to the moon, never mind being THE FIRST MAN ON THE MOON it would take a millenium to shut me up about it!

[hagbard_celine]

What if they blasted off but only orbitted the earth like, was it apollo 13, the one that caught fire did. I saw it on tv the other night. I watch a docu on the astronaughts wives. If they were orbiting the earth only a few Nasa staff would have known about the "steaming video" and they'd have been silenced with hush money, surely?

Just a theary, though admittedly, not a well thought out one on my part.

I've also always wondered why Neil Armstrong is so quiet. Seriously, if I'd been to the moon, never mind being THE FIRST MAN ON THE MOON it would take a millenium to shut me up about it!

Yeah, Neil hates publicity. He was always known as a shy and private man, but he's become a virtual recluse since the Apollo missions, socializing with nobody except close friends and family. There's a documentary on BBCi player that's gone now about a man who tries to trck Neil down and fails: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lkvln/Being_Neil_Armstrong/ He's the only Apollo astronaut who was not in current military service.

It seems unlikely that the real astronauts were not launched into space in the rockets and orbited the Earth. I mean, what if the rocket blew up?:eek::confused: It would be a sticky situation when you have three live blokes wwho were meant to be dead!:o This was the scenario of the film Capricorn One. I doubt if many would need to bee silenced though. I remember in the film how one of the mission control operators asks how come the signal from Capricorn 1 is not coming from its supposed location in space and his superviser tells him "just don't worry about it and get on with your job". you can bet that the superviser's own senior superviser told him the same thing.

[merlincove]

Blimey!:eek: Can he or she get back in touch with this astronaut?

yeah, they are pretty good friends, and they hook up every now and again :D

He actualy knows a lot of astranaughts, it's kinda his hobby - collecting moon walkers :D