Vampires

[tedparrot08]

What I want to know is do they exist or not ?, and what planet are they from

thanks

[agneau]

...I suspect it's the the planet right next to the one you're living on...the one with three green moons.

[curtaincat]

What I want to know is do they exist or not ?, and what planet are they from

thanks

wow, you are funny.

of course they exist, they have as much right to exist as anyone else.
would you like to be a vampire, forced to live on blood... i think it would be really hard to be a vampire , always having to go home before night and cant get up until dawn.

for a start, go to the library and read the book by Bram Stoker , it will make you think ....

then come back after that... :)

[remium]

wow, you are funny.

of course they exist, they have as much right to exist as anyone else.
would you like to be a vampire, forced to live on blood... i think it would be really hard to be a vampire , always having to go home before night and cant get up until dawn.

for a start, go to the library and read the book by Bram Stoker , it will make you think ....

then come back after that... :)

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[size_of_light]

What I want to know is do they exist or not ?, and what planet are they from

thanks

Do you mean the guys in black capes with the fangs and the "I vont to zuck your blooood!" type schtick, or are you seriously asking about vampires in terms of beings that feed on other being's energy?

Not sure if you're just taking the piss or genuinely curious.

[truth finder]

What I want to know is do they exist or not ?, and what planet are they from

thanks

I Don't think they exist as in stake threw the heart, but i believe it is a new religion and they call them selfs vampires. But for the like of
dracula, Buffy, twilight i think it is myth due to lack of medical knowledge back in the day....

[noewhan]

Daybreakers is coming out in 2010.

http://forums.daybreakers.vaw.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4&start=0

Directed by the same people who made 'Undead' (Aussie film).

Storyline: Vampires have taken over Earth, and now there's a shortage of blood.

I think what's going to happen is, a vampire goes to the human side, and gets a vaccine, or something.

Do vampires exits?
http://forums.daybreakers.vaw.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=33

I've looked a little bit into the vampire mythology. There seems to be some truth, and then the 'hype'. I'm sure everyone has herd of Bram Stoker's Dracula. That character was based on a Roman, Vlad III also known as Vlad the impaler.

German stories describe him as a beast. They say he would use methods of killing like impaling, torturing, burning, skinning, roasting, and boiling people, feeding people the flesh of their friends or relatives, cutting off limbs, drowning, and nailing people's hats to their heads.
His victims included men and women of all ages, religions and social classes, children and babies. One German account includes the following sentence: "He caused so much pain and suffering that even the most bloodthirstiest persecutors of Christianity like Herodes, Nero, Diocletian and all other pagans combined hadn’t even thought of."

But, one could say that the Germans, or his other enemies disliked him so much that they fabricated these stories.

...Ahh mythology, got to love it.

[size_of_light]

Do you mean the guys in black capes with the fangs and the "I vont to zuck your blooood!" type schtick, or are you seriously asking about vampires in terms of beings that feed on other being's energy?

Not sure if you're just taking the piss or genuinely curious.

No answer so it looks like this guy's a fucking troll.

[tedparrot08]

Do you mean the guys in black capes with the fangs and the "I vont to zuck your blooood!" type schtick, or are you seriously asking about vampires in terms of beings that feed on other being's energy?

Not sure if you're just taking the piss or genuinely curious.

Actually I was being serious, anythings possible as they say and what with all the folklore tales like the vampire of Croglin Grange, Highgate Cemetary,etc

I was wanting to know if such beings exist and not goths with fang implants as such

[tedparrot08]

No answer so it looks like this guy's a fucking troll.

giz a fucking chance , Ive just got in from the shops

[size_of_light]

Actually I was being serious, anythings possible as they say and what with all the folklore tales like the vampire of Croglin Grange, Highgate Cemetary,etc

I was wanting to know if such beings exist and not goths with fang implants as such

To begin then, maybe have a look into the ancient legends, folklores and cave paintings of indigenous cultures all around the world and you'll start to see that stories and depictions of demonic supernatural entities preying on and feeding off human beings preceded accounts of the traditional 'vampire' figure by thousands of years.

Though they took on different forms and appearances in different cultures, the theme of negative entities seducing, attacking and devouring human beings is very consistent, and seems to have travelled on unbroken into the middle ages and beyond when people were reporting these 'vampires' that we know today.

[size_of_light]

giz a fucking chance , Ive just got in from the shops

:D

Sorry.

[tedparrot08]

:D

Sorry.

no probs

My girlfriend has just read one of David Icke's books where he talks about aliens feeding on human blood, hence me asking what planet did vampires originate from

[size_of_light]

no probs

My girlfriend has just read one of David Icke's books where he talks about aliens feeding on human blood, hence me asking what planet did vampires originate from

He mentions Alpha Draconis as a possible place where one form of these aliens (reptilian in appearance) may have physically originated in the galaxy, but your girlfriend will find that he's talking about more than just physical aliens coming from Point A in space to Point B on earth to feed on humans.

Icke's main angle is that there are other dimensions of reality all around us here on earth that we can't see, because we're not tuned to those frequencies, and these types of beings exist in and between those dimensions. They have the ability to move into our reality and feed off us, which is the same theme than runs through all ancient cultures when they talk about 'demonic' entities and also in the more modern literature when they describe encounters with vampires.

[lauren_almighty]

i'm in love with a vampire

[zero1]

i'm in love with a vampire

Cool. Do tell all...does he give you love-bites?

[lauren_almighty]

unfortunately not.
he's a fictional character. :(

[godgoo]

would you like to be a vampire, forced to live on blood We all live on blood, this is exactly the distinction people are missing today. If you want prime you need blood. This isn't something to be over looked it is an integral part of the system.

[size_of_light]

unfortunately not.
he's a fictional character. :(

That guy out of Twilight, right?

[lauren_almighty]

That guy out of Twilight, right?

of course.
but i've always had a thing for vampires.

[zero1]

unfortunately not.
he's a fictional character. :(

Oh well, I'm, er, shocked...:eek:

What kind of strange girl falls in love with a fictional vampire..?!

Eh? :p

[lauren_almighty]

Oh well, I'm, er, shocked...:eek:

What kind of strange girl falls in love with a fictional vampire..?!

Eh? :p

a normal one. the others all fall for reptilians :p

and they aren't fictional either... apparently :rolleyes:

[zero1]

and they aren't fictional either... apparently :rolleyes:

It's a genetic thing; there's a multitude of esoteric secrets surrounding what a "vampire" really is, there is nothing that is unkown in certain hidden circles about them, and the traditional myths regarding them are encoded with the actuality of the "vampyre", though it is a highly obscure code and difficult to decipher.

Basically, it boils down to a human person who has the set of non-recessive genes sometimes called the "XYU" set, which, although dormant and inactive normally, would make that person immortal if activated. About 1% of people have them, with a majority of females in that one percent (about 48% males, 52% females).

Pureblood vampires have no vulnerabilities to sunlight though they generally dislike the Sun or prefer shade; Hybrid ones, the majority from tinkering with the genome way back when, do get dis-eased and weak from excessive exposure to sunlight over time, but still, they can survive in all environments regardless. A lot of vampires have no vulnerability to sunlight but catch colds very quickly, and avoid cold places and low temperatures at all costs.

[fff_666]

It's a genetic thing; there's a multitude of esoteric secrets surrounding what a "vampire" really is, there is nothing that is unkown in certain hidden circles about them, and the traditional myths regarding them are encoded with the actuality of the "vampyre", though it is a highly obscure code and difficult to decipher.

Basically, it boils down to a human person who has the set of non-recessive genes sometimes called the "XYU" set, which, although dormant and inactive normally, would make that person immortal if activated. About 1% of people have them, with a majority of females in that one percent (about 48% males, 52% females).

Pureblood vampires have no vulnerabilities to sunlight though they generally dislike the Sun or prefer shade; Hybrid ones, the majority from tinkering with the genome way back when, do get dis-eased and weak from excessive exposure to sunlight over time, but still, they can survive in all environments regardless. A lot of vampires have no vulnerability to sunlight but catch colds very quickly, and avoid cold places and low temperatures at all costs.

source?

[vetis]

They are common i think in mythology because people fear blood or their life force being removed from them on an instinctual level.

btw Twilight sucks. what happened to vampires who were the princes of darkness. bah, at least they made good villains.

This is a quality view of Twilight http://pugnacioun.livejournal.com/1055.html

[zero1]

source?

Secret. ;)

[fff_666]

Secret. ;)

I thought so, can't find anything with a quick google search

[zero1]

I thought so, can't find anything with a quick google search

You don't have to believe anything I say, but the information is good.

I am too long in the tooth with this truth business to promulgate lies. It simply is not fruitful, or interesting for me to do so.

[lauren_almighty]

I am too long in the tooth with this truth business to promulgate lies. It simply is not fruitful, or interesting for me to do so.

erm...didn't you pretend to be the devil? :p

[zero1]

erm...didn't you pretend to be the devil? :p

Role-playing on the Internet is not new - and that (great) thread was purely intended as humour, to piss Christians off by getting them to ask questions which showed how little they actually believed in a Devil, or how desperately they want someone to be one - so they could have a figure of Hate, which, after all, is what religion is built on (hate).

Not starting that thread in the "Have a Laugh" section was intentional too - it's something the Americans know very little about, a thing called "irony".

[lauren_almighty]

alright keep your knickers on!
you didn't have to go to all that effort of explaining that to me. i'm the queen of irony.

that thread was brilliant by the way. i loved your quick witted answers :)

[zero1]

alright keep your knickers on!
you didn't have to go to all that effort of explaining that to me. i'm the queen of irony.

that thread was brilliant by the way. i loved your quick witted answers :)

Thank you. :)

[newworldengineer]

I think we should talk about the psychic ones, maybe I'll start a thread, they're alot easier to get your teeth into (no pun intended).. and believe me, I've met many of them, and I'm quite sick of them, cos some of my mates are in relationships with them.

Fuckin sensationalistic freaks with fractured souls the lot of em!!! :mad:

[hexdsl]

read all the posts, but I’m researching vampires as the topic of a semi-serious blog i have started doing (all good for the enlightenment process right) anyone got any links or video-link regarding 'real' vampires? Story’s/ documentaries?

all links and thoughts welcome thanks, also that blog i was talking about it lives here http://rabbitholeexpress.blogspot.com/

[lorenxx]

I'm reading Stewart Swerdlows book 'Montauk : the alien connection' and he mentions 'vampires'. Its very interesting, he says:
"the greys use blood and softbody tissue as nutrients as they do not eat as humans do, instead they require the hormones stored in various organs and tissues of other species, particulary humans, because they were created from human genetics many millenia ago.
The smaller grey races are without digestive systems so they absorb nurtients and excrete waste through the skin. After collecting various organs and body fluids, they store them in huge vats. The greys sit or swim in these vats for several hours to absorb the extant nutritional ebergies. This fuels their bodies for several days.
Serveral centuries ago, in order to avoid detection, the grey races genetically created beings who walked the Earth for them and collected body fluids for them. These creatures came to be known as vampires, incubi and succubi. Because the heat of the sun removed the potency of the collected fluids, they avoided sunlight. In modern times, the aliens use a creature known in Latin America as the Chupacabra, or goat sucker"


I think he is a pretty truthful source, he was used by the government and aliens from a very young age. He has quite a few mental powers. Some of the things he has to say are very interesting, i recommend the book!

[eternal_spirit]

We have heard of Ghosts & Vampires but have not seen them. Obviously these are spirits & spirits are not material things which we can see with our material eyes. Normally these type of spirits / ghosts / vampires have negative influence on human beings & rarely sometimes these do have positive influence also, which are called Good Spirits.

In India you can easily find a person who is obsessed by some evil spirit. Women are more susceptible to these spirits in general. What happens is that, an evil spirit, to do some harm to a person, enters a person's body & captures the mind, senses & intellect of that person.

Once a person is obsessed by some evil spirit, then that person starts behaving like an abnormal being forgetting his/her real personality & does ,whatever, evil spirit wants him/her to do. Such a person may not recognize his relatives even, gets full of super natural energy & shows irrational behavior.

In India there are some Tantriks ( Persons who practice Tantras, a spiritual path of Shavite Hindu Tradition) who are capable of helping such persons obsessed by Ghosts & Vampires & they by their spiritual practice get that person rid of such Ghosts & Vampires capturing his/her body & mind.

Now in Mahuadham in Aurangabad area of Bihar-India, every year a fair is held during Navratras Durga Puja (A Hindu Festival of nine days in which Goddess Durga is worshipped).

In this fair all those people who are obsessed by some evil spirit / Ghost / Vampire come in thousands from all over the nearby places & so do come the Tantriks / practitioners who treat them, especially during Navratras Durga Puja time. These persons who are obsessed by some evil spirit behave like mad man / women & many such women can be seen in this fair shaking their head up & down with great energy when casting of evil takes place on them.

This fair of such people goes for nine days of Navratras Durga Puja in which generally it is said that by the grace of Goddess Durga, these Tantriks / practitioners are able to treat them & cast of the evil spirit / ghost / vampire out of that person.

This fair is being held every year once, since Year 1484 & many foreigners also do come to see / attend such a weird fair in India. Can you find any such weird fair / weird happening anywhere else in the world, Yes it happens only in India.
http://weirdindia.blogspot.com/2006/...ires-fair.html (http://weirdindia.blogspot.com/2006/10/ghosts-vampires-fair.html)

[eternal_spirit]

Jewish vampires? Sure. The existence of blood lusting monsters is yet another folkloric belief that exists across cultures. Like zombies, The earliest reference to a vampiric creature occurs in a text of Late Antiquity, the "Testament of Solomon" (this is also one of the paradigmatic texts for Jewish sorcerers, because it portrays Solomon as a kind of wizard).

Behold, when the Temple of the city of Jerusalem was being built, and the artificers were working thereat, Ornias the demon came among them toward sunset; and he took away half of the pay of the chief-deviser's little boy, as well as half his food. He also continued to suck the thumb of his right hand every day. And the child grew thin, although he was very much loved by the king. So King Solomon called the boy one day, and questioned him, saying: "Do I not love thee more than all the artisans who are working in the Temple of God? Do I not give thee double wages and a double supply of food? How is it that day by day and hour by hour thou growest thinner?"
4. But the child said to the king: "I pray thee, O king. Listen to what has befallen all that thy child hath. After we are all released from our work on the Temple of God, after sunset, when I lie down to rest, one of the evil demons comes and takes away from me one half of my pay and one half of my food. Then he also takes hold of my right hand and sucks my thumb. And lo, my soul is oppressed, and so my body waxes thinner every day."

Solomon responds to this threat by constructing a magic ring with which he enslaves this demon and, subsequently, higher orders of demons. In the end, the king uses these demon-slaves to help him construct the Temple!
Later vampire traditions appear among the Jews of medieval Rhineland, not far from the areas where flourishing Christian beliefs in blood-sucking creatures would become the basis for Bram Stoker's story. But here again, Jews have their own ideas about the nature of vampires and how to combat them. These passages come from Sefer Hasidim ("The Book of the Pious"), a wide-ranging tract on Jewish piety that includes stories about ghosts, liliths, and other paranormal things that go bump in the night:

1465: There are women that are called estrie... They were created at sunset . As a result of this, they are able to change form. There was one woman who was a estrie and she was very sick and there were two women with her at night; one was sleeping and one was awake. [B]And the sick woman stood up and loosened her hair and she was about to fly and suck the blood of the sleeping woman. And the woman who was awake screamed and woke her friend and they grabbed the sick estrie, and after this she slept. And moreover, if she had been able to grab the other woman, then she, the estrie, would have lived. Since she was not able to hurt the other woman, the estrie died, because she needs to drink the blood of living flesh. The same is true of the werewolf. And since....the estrie need to loosen their hair before they fly, one must adjure her to come with her hair bound so that she cannot go anywhere without permission. And if a estrie is injured or seen by someone, she cannot live unless she eats of the bread and salt of the one who struck her. Then her soul will return to the way it was before.

1466 There was a woman who was suspected of being a estrie, and she was injured when she appeared to a Jew as a cat and he hit her. The next day she asked him to give her some of his bread and salt, and he wanted to give it to her. An old man said to him (Ecc. 7:16) “Be not overly righteous.” When others have sinned one must not show kindness, for if she lives, she will harm people. Thus the Holy One, blessed be He created her for you [as a test]. This is similar to Amalek and Saul. Saul was punished for saving Amalek’s life. (see First Samuel 15).

As we can see, the nature of these vampires is strangely indeterminate. In the beginning of the passage, they seem to be regarded as demons, as in the Testament of Solomon. On the other hand, the end of the passage suggests that this is an ordinary woman (apparently, she has a soul) living within her community. Other passages in Sefer Chasidim convey that same idea. Perhaps the resolution of this puzzle is that vampirism was understood to be a kind of demonic possession.
There is also one example of a judicial proceeding being conducted against a suspected estrie. Not surprisingly, conviction results in a death sentence. Apparently killing an estrie presents no particular challenge, but there is a potential post-mortem complication:

Toldot Adam v’Havah, 28

When a estrie that has eaten children is being buried one should observe whether her mouth is open, if it is, she will persist in her vampirish pursuits for another year unless it is stopped up with earth.

[eternal_spirit]

God then formed Lilith, the first woman, just as He had formed Adam, except that he used filth and sediment instead of pure dust.
From Adam's union with this demoness, and with another like her named Naamah, Tubal Cain's sister,

sprang Asmodeus and innumerable demons that still plague mankind. Many generations later, Lilith and Naamah came to Solomon's judgement seat, disguised as harlots of Jerusalem. [Yalqut Reubeni ad. Gen. II. 21; IV. 8]
One of the least known but very persistent Jewish occult beliefs is that of “changelings,” that there are human-appearing demoniods, offspring of human-demon couplings, that move among us.

This belief has its roots in a rabbinic tradition that believes demons (sheidim, creatures more akin to the Islam djinn than earth-trembling spirits) are unable to procreate without human “seed.” Thus Judaism has a robust tradition of succubae, seductive female demons who are the cause of male erotic dreams and nocturnal emissions. Adam was the first progenitor of demons:

When Adam, doing penance for his sin, separated from Eve for 130 years, he, by impure desire, caused the earth to be filled with shedim, lilin, and evil spirits (Gen. R. 20; Er. 18b).
Since, like humans, sheidim are subject to death (Chagigah 16a), these “semen demons,” such as Lilith, Naamah, and Igrat, periodically re-populate the demonic realm through these sexual-spiritual assaults.

The flip side of this coin is a parallel tradition that mortal women are occasionally impregnated by incubae:

The “sons of divinity” (Gen. 6:2-4) were the sons of Cain. For when Samael mounted Eve (Shabbat 146a), he injected [semen of] filth into her, and she conceived and bore Cain. And his aspect was unlike that of the other humans and all those who came from his side were called “sons of divinity” (Zohar I:137a).

According to this, Cain was literally a “bad seed,” as are his descendants. The female descendants of Eve similarly can find themselves periodic victims of a kind of “Rosemary’s Baby Syndrome,” usually unknowingly. The changelings that result from such "spirit rapes" move among us largely undetected, until their evil nature is revealed through gross crimes or other evil enterprises.

Given the spiritual source of their malevolence, it was sometimes thought necessary to combat them by spiritual means alongside the usual police and judicial methods. Thus we see in some Hebrew amulets of protection that the person seeking angelic protection against evil spirits will identify him- or herself as “So-and-So, son/daughter of So-and-So, from among the children of Adam and Eve…” (Sefer ha-Razim). The implication being the amulet is directed against beings not from among the children of both
This belief in demon progeny persisted from Talmudic times right up to the start of the modern era, no doubt because this legend offers a ready explanation for why certain people are “bad to the bone,” much in the way we still today declare heinous serial killers “monsters” (and therefore not fully human).
primoridal ancestors.


http://roswell.fortunecity.com/seance/500/vamps/lilith/lilith3.jpg

Lilith succubus

[eternal_spirit]

Teenager guilty of 'vampire' murder

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38171000/jpg/_38171568_mabel_300.jpg
A teenager has been found guilty of the "savage" murder of a 90-year-old widow at her north Wales home. The judge at Mold Crown Court recommended that Mathew Hardman should serve a minimum of 12 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38173000/jpg/_38173256_hardman150.jpg Hardman was fascinated with immortality



As the jury returned a unanimous verdict, the 17-year-old wept in the dock and his mother shrieked and sobbed in the public gallery.
Mabel Leyshon was stabbed to death at her home in Llanfairpwll on Anglesey, in November 2001.
Hardman - who had lived just a few yards away and had been Mrs Leyshon's paper boy - mutilated her body before placing pokers at her feet in the shape of a cross.
Her heart had been removed, wrapped in newspaper and placed in a saucepan on a silver platter next to her body.
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It was planned and carefully calculated
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Mr Justice Richards

The prosecution said her killer drank her blood in a "macabre ritual".
After the verdict was delivered, the judge lifted a ban on naming Hardman which had been in place throughout the trial.
The prosecution said the teenager - who denied the charge - was obsessed with vampires and the occult, and had told others he wanted to kill someone in order to become immortal.
The 14-day hearing was told how he smashed his way into Mrs Leyshon's bungalow where he was watching television.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38173000/jpg/_38173254_leyshon150.jpg Mabel Leyshon was active and independent



He stabbed her 22 times. DNA found at the murder scene matched that of blood found on a knife at Hardman's home.
The court was told of an incident two months before Mrs Leyshon's murder, when Hardman had accused a 16-year-old German girl of being a vampire.
Claiming she was "one of them", he begged the student to bite his neck so that he too could become a vampire.
When she refused, he became violent and began insisting, pressing his neck against her mouth. Eventually the girl had to summon help.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38173000/jpg/_38173416_mother150.jpg Hardman's mother sobbed in court



The prosecution also outlined how Hardman had surfed the internet for vampire websites and had read a magazine which featured an article on how to conduct a black mass.
The teenager denied being "obsessed", and told that court that his alleged fascination with vampires was nothing more than a "subtle interest".
Sentencing Hardman, Mr Justice Richards ordered that he be detained at Her Majesty's pleasure - a life sentence - and ruled that he should serve a minimum of 12 years for the murder.
"It was planned and carefully calculated," he said.
'Brutality'
"Why you, an otherwise pleasant and otherwise well regarded young man, should act in this way is difficult to comprehend.
"You had hoped for immortality. All you achieved was to brutally end another person's life and the bringing of a life sentence upon yourself."
A jury took almost four hours to reach a verdict at the end of a trial which had been so gruesome journalists had found it difficult to report.
Hardman had been living with his mother Julia, a nurse, and her partner Alan Benneyworth, a former Ministry of Defence fireman, in a bungalow in Llanfairpwll.
Asthma attack
Born and raised in Amlwch, on the north coast of Anglesey, he moved to Llanfairpwll in 1998, when he was 13 years old.
That same year, his father - who had been separated from his mother - died from a massive asthma attack.
Although his parents lived apart, Hardman had remained close to his father and was upset by the tragedy.

[eternal_spirit]

The Theory and Practice of Black Magic

Some understanding of the intricate theory and practice of ceremonial magic may be derived from a brief consideration of its underlying premises.

First. The visible universe has an invisible counterpart, the higher planes of which are peopled by good and beautiful spirits; the lower planes, dark and foreboding, are the habitation of evil spirits and demons under the leadership of the Fallen Angel and his ten Princes.

Second. By means of the secret processes of ceremonial magic it is possible to contact these invisible creatures and gain their help in some human undertaking. Good spirits willingly lend their assistance to any worthy enterprise, but the evil spirits serve only those who live to pervert and destroy.

Third. It is possible to make contracts with spirits whereby the magician becomes for a stipulated time the master of an elemental being.

Fourth. True black magic is performed with the aid of a demoniacal spirit, who serves the sorcerer for the length of his earthly life, with the understanding that after death the magician shall become the servant of his own demon. For this reason a black magician will go to inconceivable ends to prolong his physical life, since there is nothing for him beyond the grave.

The most dangerous form of black magic is the scientific perversion of occult power for the gratification of personal desire. Its less complex and more universal form is human selfishness, for selfishness is the fundamental cause of all worldly evil. A man will barter his eternal soul for temporal power, and down through the ages a mysterious process has been evolved which actually enables him to make this exchange. In its various branches the black art includes nearly all forms of ceremonial magic, necromancy, witchcraft, sorcery, and vampirism. Under the same general heading are also included mesmerism and hypnotism, except when used solely for medical purposes, and even then there is an element of risk for all concerned.

Though the demonism of the Middle Ages seems to have disappeared, there is abundant evidence that in many forms of modern thought -- especially the so-called "prosperity" philosophy, "will-power building"metaphysics, and systems of "high-pressure" salesmanship -- black magic has merely passed through a metamorphosis, and although its name be changed its nature remains the same.

A well-known magician of the Middle Ages was Dr. Johannes Faustus, more commonly known as Dr. Faust. By a study of magical writings he was enabled to bind to his service an elemental who served him for many years in various capacities. Strange legends are told concerning the magical powers possessed by Dr. Faust. Upon one occasion the philosopher, being apparently in a playful mood, threw his mantle over a number of eggs in a market-woman's basket, causing them to hatch instantly. At another time, having fallen overboard from a small boat, he was picked up and returned to the craft with his clothes still dry. But, like nearly all other magicians, Dr. Faust came at length to disaster; he was found one moming with a knife in his back, and it was commonly believed that his familiar spirit had murdered him. Although Goethe's Dr. Faust is generally regarded as merely a fictional character, this old magician actually lived during the sixteenth century. Dr. Faust wrote a book describing his experiences with spirits, a section of which is reprinted below. (Dr. Faust must not be confused with Johann Fust, the printer.)
"While the black magician at the time of signing his pact with the elemental demon may be fully convinced that he is strong enough to control indefinitely the powers placed at his disposal, he is speedily undeceived. Before many years elapse he must turn all his energies to the problem of self-preservation. A world of horrors to which he has attuned himself by his own covetousness looms nearer every day, until he exists upon the edge of a seething maelstrom, expecting momentarily to to be sucked down into its turbid depths. Afraid to die -- because he will become the servant of his own demon -- the magician commits crime after crime to prolong his wretched earthly existence. Realizing that life is maintained by the aid of a mysterious universal life force which is the common property of all creaeures, the black magician often becomes an occult vampire, stealing this energy from others. According to mediaeval superstition, black magicians turned themselves into werewolves and roamed the earth at night, attacking defenseless victims for the life force contained in their blood."

[eternal_spirit]

http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/fs3.htm (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs3.htm)

Interesting how to incarnate an egrogore homonuclusise it! (hormonculus)

There's different views of who what was the egrogore for OTO it's usually
said to be Baphomet. But some claim it was Aiwaz others said stele of revealing. Some described the sexual energy provided by the members was to feed a vampire, worth a read IMO

[eternal_spirit]

By Lady Lilith Aquino V° &
Magister William T. Butch IV°
Co-Grand Masters
With original and revised input from Robertt W. Neilly, GME O.V. &
Priestess S. Thompson, M, O.V.

The Order of the Vampyre is an Order which embraces the concepts of Vampyric Presence as a means to personal power and potential Immortality. Vampyrism is a unique Black Magical condition that in and of its very nature requires a Posture, which enables a natural and effortless exchange of Power from the lesser to the Greater. In normal communication, this power is evidenced by the psychological control exerted over others. Through our Black Magic, this Power is evidenced by accessing what is known as lucid dreaming and increasingly gaining mastery over that state of Becoming which is desirable in its own right.

Vampyrism goes back to time immemorial, and true Vampyrism can be traced back in many cultures around the world, and is therefore known by many different names. A true Vampyre knows that he does not achieve the Posture of Effortless Power through the mundane act of physical blood drinking. In fact to pursue such acts would mean that he did not understand his own condition, let alone Vampyric Black Magic.

Through Xeper, the Word of the AEon of Set, members of this Order will strive to bring to Life those qualities and aspects of our potential which have long been considered to be dead, or latent.

Communication is a cornerstone of our Work. Members of the Order will communicate effectively in order to maintain that concert which will be our collective effort.
The Order's founders undertook research that brought them into a 'dialogue' with, and the acquaintance of, existing Vampyric characteristics and Archetypal Forces. They were examining, testing, and proving to themselves, through direct experience, how many of the alleged Vampyric powers—such as invisibility, manipulation, the power of sound and breath, etc.—were real and were useable. Many of these same powers are, of course, harnessed by non-O"V Setians.

Through the great Black Magic, and in ways that are special to the Children of the Night, we seek to further enhance and augment such powers. On a lesser level, these powers will be evidenced in social communications resulting in personal power as measured by social position, wealth and personal freedom. On a Greater Level, by achieving control of the lucid dreaming state these powers will be the direct experience of Vampyres in a World of their own creation, which can also be potentially shared.

Vampyres can be hideous by nature, as well Noble. Vampyres can also be—and are—glamorous. Those who are members of the Order of the Vampyre will learn to perfect such skills as the application of cosmetics, the use of the voice in subtle ways (including the embedding of commands in one's phrases), and the act of holding another's gaze to influence, to distract, to control. All of these are designed to enhance the creation of the Vampyric Posture such that power flows to the Vampyre for both lesser and Greater goals.

It is our desire that our School for Vampyres address the Vampyre at all levels, and that our teachings have a practical application in the world. Hence, all of these are steps towards the formation of a more compleat Setian, a more compleat Vampyre.

As such, powers of imagination and visualization are employed by members in this Order. Therefore art, music, and literature can and will be used as tools for our Order members. Within our School for Vampyres, will arise those who specialize in certain aspects of Vampyrism, and its proper application. These Schools within our School, as well as other directions and things yet to come to this Order are to be decided by its Masters and members.

There will be those who first learn more about the Arkte Element here, who then Become Warriors. There will be others who first learn of the MetaMind Element here, and who will then specialize in it. Each of these Schools within a School will either be an official Office or function of the Temple of Set, or will be informally controlled or helmed by a Master or senior member of the Order. Such Schools may be in the form of Elements; Elements that have their basis here, but may also reach our II ° membership, Temple-wide. Such Schools may also be in the form of our Bloodlines, which are Schools specializing in various aspects of Vampyric Initiation. These Schools are created by Masters of the Order, and are accessible by Order Members only. (See Internal Bloodlines Doc.)

A Word of Caution:

It should be readily understood by all who seek admission to our Order, that we are unique, and separate from the various Right-Hand Path driven “on-line vampire community” groups, and “houses” that have sprung up over the past few years. Such groups promote a weak and powerless version of the Vampyric Archetype, among a myriad of fuzzy New Age ideas, such as missing chakras, “other-kin,” and a need for blood drinking. We do not tolerate such in our ranks.

In the Order of the Vampyre, we promote a Posture of Effortless Power, and Setian Vampyric Control. There is no in-between. There is no compromise.

Applicants will be considered for admission to the Order by an existing Master of the Order (preferably), or by a III ° + member of the Order at large, or by one of the Grand Masters themselves. In most cases, if a Master of the Order deems a Setian is appropriate for the Order, that Setian's membership will almost always be guaranteed. In all cases, however, the decision to admit a Setian will be at the sole discretion of one or both Co-Grand Masters. Either or both Co-Grand Masters will decide favorably on the applicant if he/she is (a) particularly well suited for the Order and (b) has the necessary amount of time and degree of commitment for such specialized Work. Questions concerning membership into the Order, or about aspects of the Vampyric Being, may be addressed to any Master of the Order (preferably), also to any III ° + member of the Order at large, or to either Co-Grand Master.

http://www.xeper.org/ovampyre/

[eternal_spirit]

33 myths of Anton La Vey

Myth 2. Anton LaVey and the people who follow his "philosophy" are the "real" Satanists, while the Satanic killers like the Mansons and the Night Stalker Killer are just the "nuts". The truth is, LaVey prescribed rituals for Satanists that normal people would find crazy. For instance, a nude girl is used as an altar (Satanic Bible, Satanic Rituals). A human skull is used in Die Elektrischen Vorspiele ritual (Satanic Rituals, p. 109). A human leg bone or arm bone is used in Homage to Tchort ritual (p.137). A woman dressed as nun urinates before group into a bedpan in the Black Mass ritual (p.43). The urine is then sprinkled like holy water (p.44). A man climbs into coffin with nude woman (or nude man if he is gay) in Le Epais ritual (p.59). LaVey gives instructions for "turning into a werewolf" that include running around outside on all fours with a wolf mask (The Devil's Notebook) .
LaVey claimed nuts were quickly given "the bum's rush" when they tried to join his Church of Satan. That still didn't stop two of the Masons (Susan Atkins and Bobby Beaseliel) and Richard "The Night Stalker " Rameriez from joining. Satanist Patricia Hall was arrested for murder of an elderly man in Florida, and participated in the flogging and gang rape of a teenage girl. She claimed to have been baptized by LaVey himself, which he of course later denied. There have also been other thrill killers that have claimed to have been members of the Church of Satan, even though LaVey later deined it.
Even if they weren't officially CoS members (most Satanist aren't), it proves criminally minded, violent people are attracted to Satanism. Susan Atkins actually appeared with LaVey and a couple of other girls in a corny strip club act. She played a vampire, not surprising when you consider she licked the blood stained knife she killed Sharon Tate and her unborn child with. Bobby Beausoleil appeared in the movie by fellow Church of Satan member Kenneth Anger, Lucifer Rising. During the Tate/Labianca murders, Beausoleil told his terrified vicitms, "I'm the Devil, and I'm here to do the Devil's business!" A fourth killer/cannibal, Stanley Baker, who actually ate his victims, was caught en route to meet LaVey. Would LaVey have given this 3rd person the heave ho? Maybe, Maybe not. LaVey claimed that he too, and members of the Church of Satan, once dined on a human leg (Satan Wants You, also mentioned in The Church of Satan and The Secret Life of a Satanist). The leg was obtained (obviously illeagally) by a CO$ member who was a pathologist from a local hospital, at least according to LaVey. No LaVey family member has ever denied this event happened. The leg was prepared by Diane in Triple Sec with fried grub worms on the side, supposedly how they serve human flesh in New Guinea. The only participant who reportedly ate the worms was LaVey's 3 year old daughter Zeena, and most members were to sqeemish to actually eat the leg meat. See the Occult Crime (http://usminc.org/crime.html) webpage

[marpat]

In Dion Fortunes book on Psychic Self defence this subject is covered to some degree and seems to be more concerned about it happen due to somebody projecting their etheric body.

Free ebook here:

http://www.occult-underground.com/fortune.html

[mondo23]

Another Ebook on the subject of Vampires and Vampirism. Well worth a read:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010202193500/www.dragoncourt.org/pubasset/toc.asp

[mr_pixie]

...I suspect it's the the planet right next to the one you're living on...the one with three green moons.

Have you got an open mind mate? This is the David Icke forum after all.

[mr_pixie]

Actually I was being serious, anythings possible as they say and what with all the folklore tales like the vampire of Croglin Grange, Highgate Cemetary,etc

I was wanting to know if such beings exist and not goths with fang implants as such

Highgate Cemetary is interesting. I've heard storys about that place. Draculas house is ment to be near there.

[newworldengineer]

For Vampires of a psychic nature (ya know the day to day psychopathic people we come across) I reccommend you pop onto Michael Tsarion's Psychic vampire forum and read peoples experiences on their... he's bringing a film out on that subject soon, I'm looking forward to it :D

[mr_pixie]

For Vampires of a psychic nature (ya know the day to day psychopathic people we come across) I reccommend you pop onto Michael Tsarion's Psychic vampire forum and read peoples experiences on their... he's bringing a film out on that subject soon, I'm looking forward to it :D


http://psychicvampirism.com/

[newworldengineer]

http://psychicvampirism.com/

cheers :-)... I am soooo lazy... but I learnt alot off there, certainly hits home.