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foreverspirit
04-08-2007, 09:05 PM
The Silent War on the People of India
Arun Shrivastava CMC – via The People’s Voice March 22, 2007


This is a global emergency

No bombs have been dropped in this war. Instead, the aggressors have chosen two weapons that kill silently, slowly. Those weapons are deliberate contamination of India’s seeds with genetically engineered organisms and radioactive contamination of around 400 million people in India. The aggressors are: the United States Government and the multinational seeds companies [chiefly Monsanto and its Indian partners]. Other Ag-biotech firms are not far behind.

The United States Government, Monsanto, Syngenta, DuPont, Dow, Bayer and a few others comprise a group that should rightly be called the mega criminal corporation; this one single group has the wherewithal to decimate world civilization as we have known and the process of decimation is on. That group includes Indian officials: without their support this war on Indians could not have taken place. Perhaps the same story of government officials colluding with these criminals has been repeated in nearly every country on planet earth.

People can live without a house, car, or medicines; none can survive without food and water. But if seeds are contaminated, we perish as a nation, as a civilization. Therefore, genetically engineered seeds should be treated as weapons of mass destruction exactly as depleted uranium contamination which destroys humans at genetic level: both are weapons of mass, indiscriminate, destruction. And the aggressors should be treated as war criminals.

In this paper I shall describe the true nature of the crime and why the rest of the world, including the people of the United States of America, must charge this group with use of weapons of mass destruction [WMD] and crimes against humanity. Each nation must do the same: charge the criminals, bring them to trial in their respective countries, and hang them. Until we do this, the mega criminal corporation is unlikely to stop its nefarious deed of destroying the world.


What is going on?

In my last article titled “GM buccaneers destroy India’s seeds”, I had said that certain GM crops- including Bt rice, Bt Brinjal, Bt Okra, Bt Tomato, and Bt Potato- are undergoing open field trials at some locations. Evidences submitted in the Supreme Court of India in support of the Writ Petition 206 of 2005, to stop open field trials of genetically engineered seeds, subsequently show that 151 different crops are undergoing trials at over 1500 locations all over India. Evidences have further been submitted that Delhi University is conducting open field trials with terminator seeds of mustard crop, which is illegal in India. The mustard plants have already flowered and contamination of non-GM mustard can’t be stopped. The Genetic Engineering Approvals Committee [GEAC], an inter-ministerial body that oversees issues of biosafety in India, has failed to safeguard our health and stands heavily indicted.

GM seeds, pollens and plants, blown over by wind have contaminated neighboring lands as happened in the fields of Percy Schmeiser, a Canadian farmer. Percy was in Delhi on 6th February to talk on his experience with Monsanto’s blackmail of North American farmers. His seed stocks are decimated.


FOR MAP: SEE: http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/GMincidences2.gif



Genetically engineered seeds and foods

Seeds are nature’s creation, God’s gift to mankind. Farmers all over the world develop and save seeds for themselves and neighbours so that they could feed the world healthy food. The truth is that the best seeds have been developed by farmers themselves; the lie is that seeds are developed by multinational companies and agriculture scientists.

Genetic engineering [GE] is a technology that allows patenting of seeds; it has no other purpose. The truth is that neither these seeds increase yield nor do they enhance nutritive content of foods. The lie is that they increase yield by reducing crop losses due to pest attacks or help plants withstand vagaries of weather: both claims are spurious and based on fudged facts. But these patented seeds ensure huge profits for the multinational corporations.

Multinational companies do not own something that nature has given us, yet they are doing exactly this with full support of the US and many European Governments. Every Government is being systematically forced to approve GE seeds and GM foods in utter disregard for biosafety. Whilst it is possible to reverse chemical pollution, biological pollution replicates itself in the environment. There is no known method to reverse the process. And these seeds and foods can alter genetic purity of species and transmutate in ways that are unknown.

Genetic engineering is an imperfect technology. It is a cell invasion technology through which inter-specie barrier is transcended. For instance, nature has devised mechanisms that make a fish work as fish and a tomato work as tomato. What GE technology does is transfer the selected traits of one specie [for example ability to withstand low temperature in a fish] to another [say for example tomato] so that the engineered specie [tomato] withstands cold temperature. However, in the complex world of nature, this type of invasion of cell and gene manipulation can wreak havoc. For example Bt cotton seed contains the genes of bacillus thuringiensis [Bt] that makes a cotton plant behave like pesticide because it kills certain pests that attack cotton plants. Exactly the same transformation takes place when a farmer uses Bt rice or Bt Okra, or any seeds containing Bacillus thuringiensis. Effectively, the plant itself behaves like a pesticide whether cotton [cash crop] or any food crop.

And this is the crux: the corporations and colluding government officials want us to eat food that actually works in nature as pesticide. In order to obtain approvals for human consumption, these criminals claim that GE foods are “substantially equivalent” yet in order to ensure profits for themselves the same criminals want the world to believe that their products are “quite different” worthy of a patent protection! Did these criminals invent the seeds in the first place? Monsanto already believes it “invented the pig”. Not only the pigs, soon Monsanto will stake a claim that it invented us humans and owns us because their proprietary genes somehow got into our genetic structure. According to the decision of the Canadian Supreme Court, in Percy Schmeiser’s case, “it does not matter how it got there…..!” And it does not matter whether I want it in my body or not? Percy did not want GMOs in his field, but when the fields got contaminated against his wishes, the Court ordered him to settle! Even Canadian Courts are working for Monsanto, neck deep in Monsanto engineered muck!


PART II



What Genetically Engineered seeds do?

Natural Seeds will be virtually extinct. Genetically Engineered seeds contaminate our food chain through cross pollination. Once natural plants and seeds are contaminated, they just can’t be decontaminated. Trans-specie contamination is also an established fact: for example a genetically modified rice plant can contaminate other plants and trees and soil as much as other rice plants. It gives rise to super weeds. Even natural water bodies have been contaminated. It means “containment” is impossible. Our natural environment and foods will be contaminated in PERPETUITY.

This technology will utterly destroy India’s agriculture and rural economy and decimate India’s mega-biodiversity and seeds heritage gained for us by our farmers over 10,000 years of agriculture. Monsanto is not even 10 decades old and the US Government about 22.

What Genetically Engineered foods can do to us?
Ultimately, untimely death, which means the corporations are creating conditions to kill us. Foods made from GE food crops are a threat to health and life. Animal studies show severe damage to vital organs [liver, kidney, alimentary canal], growth of cancerous cells, and damaged sperm, among other debilitating health impacts. The technology was introduced without long term impact assessment on human and animal health in the US in early 1990s and is responsible for a major health catastrophe. In India it will destroy human and animal population. Cattle grazing on Bt cotton fields developed unknown symptoms and died. How humans will die is not even known because there is no protocol for testing for, say Bt toxins. The companies and the Governments [state as well as central] have completely ignored issues of health and biosafety. For this reason, the decision of the Indian Government to allow open field trials remains intriguing, highly irresponsible and a crime against humanity.


Why India is a prime target

India is world's largest producer of fruits, second largest producer of vegetables and milk and is predicted to become the world's largest exporter of non-GM agricultural products within a decade unless genetic contamination destroys the bio-diversity and sustainability of India’s food & feed crops. This potential market power is the greatest threat to US and European food multinationals and attempts to contaminate non-GM food and feed crops is part of that strategy to destroy India and South Asia’s emerging dominance as non-GM food supplier.


TO SEE DOOMSDAY SEED VAULT SEE ABOVE MENTIONED LINK!!



India comprises a large market for biotech based products but most of these products are imported from US and European firms. The Indian biotech industry was worth US$2.44 billion sales in 2001. Of this $1.5 billion (about 60%) was accounted for by health biotech, with agricultural & veterinary accounting for 20% each. Sales are expected to reach about US$ 9.7 billion, roughly four times its current size, by 2020.

70% of India’s seeds’ sales come from farmer bred seeds, 26% from those bred in publicly financed institutions, and only 4% from researched hybrids. At present, out of an estimated 400-odd seed companies in the country, only 18 belong to the public sector and 10 to the cooperative sector. The remaining units are established in the private sector, of which, about 25 to 30 are in the large private sector, while over 300 are medium and small units. The dominant player is Mahyco, a Monsanto joint venture, but it sells Monsanto’s seeds of deception.

A large number of unorganized family owned units remain a typical feature of the Indian seed industry. About 400 organizations are doing commercial research on agriculture: 200 research labs, 150 companies and 50 service firms. Medical foods and nutraceuticals are also under development. Given their expertise, market standing, and the world-wide rapid increase in demand for organic/natural foods, Indian seed companies have the potential to grow into trans-national corporations, with direct investments, joint ventures, and licensing arrangements to produce Indian-bred cultivars in other countries. This scenario threatens the market power of the criminals.


Contamination across species

In the 6th February meeting of farmers from all over India organized by Navdanya [a Delhi based NGO], farmers came out with observations on probable impact of Bt cotton seeds that [a] traditional broad-leaf [Peepal (Ficus religiosa) and Bargad (Ficus bengalensis)] and medicinal trees [like Neem, Azadiracta indica] are dying, women are reaching menopause at as young an age as 30 in Punjab, and [c] goats and sheep grazing on farms growing GE crops have died. Now, some of these observations need to be scientifically validated, but which scientist would do it when nearly all Government scientists have sold their souls to the gang of mega criminals? Has the ICMR woken up to the frenzied killing of corporate piranha?


[b]Hiding seeds in VAULTS?

The plan is to store 10,000 years of mankind’s most precious heritage in a vault in Svalbard, Norway.

It is very puzzling why the Government of India, through its Ministry of Agriculture, is supporting a “natural seeds bank” to be contained in this VAULT in Norway, which is also supported by multinational chemicals & biotech seeds companies such as DuPont and Syngenta. Can’t the Government of India simply stop contamination of seeds and financially support our farmers to protect their seeds? Or is there something more sinister that we don’t know?

[The website requires one to be a subscriber for accessing the e-newspaper. For readers’ convenience, I have pasted the graphics above.]

The Doomsday Seed Vault has nothing to do with an asteroid hitting the earth or even a nuclear war, as claimed by head of the project. If an asteroid large enough to destroy the normal ecological balance hit the earth, we are finished anyway, and that asteroid can also hit Svalbard. A nuclear war on Iran is already under advanced stage of planning by none other than the US administration. Millions of seeds that rightly belong to farming communities should ideally be saved by the communities themselves, as has been the tradition worldwide, and protected by their respective governments.

Svalbard is the safest option because of it’s remoteness from the main battleground for resource wars now raging all over the world, including India. Seeds need to be stored at low temperature to prevent germination and Svalbard is in the Arctic Circle. As Rick Weiss says, “The design bespeaks an Armageddon mentality.” See Rick Weiss report here.

Therefore, the ostensible reason for selecting Svalbard for storing seeds has two secret purposes: [a] majority of agrarian nations are either already contaminated or are in the process of being deliberately contaminated as part of the global domination strategy of the criminals, once the population is culled to the targeted level, these seeds would be released to surviving farmers under total control and direction of the criminals.

Clive James claims that over 100 million acres are under GM cultivation of food and feed crops. The world map of GM crops is available at ISAA web site. While Clive’s figures are disputed by ISIS-UK, the determination of big biotech firms to contaminate world’s seeds would ensure utter decimation of our farms and forests and birds, the bees and the huge microcosm within the living soil.


[b]Why genetic contamination has been forced on India?

The National Security memo 200 [NSSM#200] piloted by Henry Kissinger in 1974, identified growing population in the Asia, Africa and Latin America as threat to US security. The genesis of Kissinger’s thesis lies in King George VI’s advisory to control population in British colonies and it is not surprising that India started its family limiting programme way back in 1952, within five years of gaining independence. Let me quote from McCauley why it has always been the core strategic issue of western elite to destroy resource rich South Asia:

"I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar or who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values & people of such calibre, that do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage." [Lord McCauley in his speech of Feb 2, 1835, British Parliament]

People are the most important resource. It was McCauley who started the process of culturally enslaving India. Economic enslavement followed. The high quality of India’s population was reduced to emaciated, undernourished, pauperized millions over the next 12 decades, say six generations. During this period, the population of the sub-continent was split along caste and religious lines with competing political ambitions encouraged by the rulers, eventually leading to trifurcation of the subcontinent into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Kashmir will follow unless we stop it. This population did not mean anything to the British: we were cheap, disposable labour, exactly in the same manner that the British and American ruling classes use their soldiers as disposable dregs today in their illegal wars [“Dumb, stupid soldiers” in Kissinger’s language]. The economic and cultural enslavement was further strengthened after India became independent precisely because the moral responsibility now lay with the “independent Indian Government” no more a ‘white man’s burden! The enslavement continues without being “white man’s burden;” it is now brown man’s burden, the likes of Chidambaram, Manmohan, Montek, Karat and Sita, and the Madam, the only white man carrying the flag of the former rulers.


The politics of population growth

It is well known fact that birth control and sterilization programs are not working well in India. Few policy planners have the political acumen or will, or marketing talent, to convince rural people that small family can [and do] improve quality of life substantially. However, they have never factored in the ground reality in India’s 600,000 villages. These villages are stratified vertically into caste groups and horizontally along religious lines. These social sub-groups live in homogenous clusters but all are part of the lowest tier of constitutional body called Village Council [Gram Panchayat]. The caste and religious groups compete for political control over the Village Council because these councils receive substantial development fund every year. The competing groups or coalitions all seek to control that resource for the benefit of their respective communities. In a village comprising 300 to 2000 households, there is real danger for any group of getting swamped by a coalition of the competing power groups. There is powerful political incentive to expand household and community size and all social and political tensions start here and are reflected at national level. This fact is little discussed in the mainstream media because the issue is politically loaded, hence incorrect, given the dominant pseudo-secular milieu.

However, instead of working on alternatives, like the ones enunciated in the International Conference on Population and Development [ICPD, Cairo, 1994], for example, access to quality education, sustainable habitat, access to quality healthcare, clean water, sanitation and a holistic safety net, from birth to death, under community managed systems, a general apathy within the bureaucracy and political class was established decades ago. Incentives offered by the US government to the Indian ruling elite by way of bribes, admission to children in prestigious colleges, positions that are supported by US Government or MNCs’ funds have also played a role in the widespread indifference towards people’s problem. ‘Keep the people under servile subjugation, in perpetuity!

Realizing that population control programs are failing in the newly industrializing countries [NICs], U.S. Foreign Policy progressively became more covert, vicious and deadly. The Indian ruling elite has been quietly supporting this US agenda of depriving Indians of their assets [the loot of land through SEZs is a classic example] and mass culling, a far less tedious option. Effectively, the Government of India has been bribed into murdering its own citizens.





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Through the duplicity of the US and Indian Governments, the Indian population has become the target of a deadly and demonic form of US depopulation policy – involving both bio-weapons and radiation. These weapons are: [a] Genetically engineered seeds and deliberate contamination of India’s foods, and Depleted Uranium [DU] contamination of entire western India. [I shall deal with HIV-AIDS separately because that is another instrument of US depopulation policy being used at cellular level]

Depleted Uranium blowing off the Himalayas, over Pakistan and the oil rich sands of Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and Gujarat, is contaminating the northern half of India and the Himalayan headwaters of nine major rivers of southeast Asia. Heavy grid and carpet bombing with depleted uranium by the U.S. military, on the eastern side of Afghanistan beginning in 2001, guaranteed heavy contamination in areas where deep snows in the mountainous regions provide water for Pakistan and parts of western [central and eastern] India. By contaminating vital water supplies in vast regions with radioactive contaminants, a secret and invisible low level nuclear war is being carried out against South Asians. This low level radiation undetectable with conventional means will mutilate the DNA of all exposed living things. This is not just a war against people, it is a war against the environment. Few living things will escape the slow radioactive poisoning which mutilates DNA, and is passed on to all future generations.” [Leuren Moret, From Hiroshima to Iraq – 61 Years of Uranium Wars:A Suicidal, Genocidal, and Omnicidal Course]

I have estimated that 21 national capitals and about 957 million people living in these 21 countries are contaminated with depleted uranium. It is blowing in the wind; we are breathing it right now, this moment. How it will kill us, or maim us, will be apparent soon when the over 90 different types of illnesses destroy us, including multiple cancers within the same person, a gift of the US Government to the people of South and West Asia.

The US Government is not only destroying India’s population, but of entire South and West Asia. Indian Government’s silence on unilateral US action in Iraq and the impending US nuclear attack on Iran [which will kill over 35 million Iranians, Afghanistanies, Pakistanies and Indians within a few weeks] strongly indicates complicity in this planned genocide.


[b]Conclusion:

INDIA AND SOUTH ASIA IS SET UP FOR DEPOPULATION. The Indian Government does not want that we live a healthy life. Therefore, we need facilities for detecting GM-toxins and DU induced illnesses, which we do not have.

We have no option but to declare a NATIONAL EMERGENCY, “people’s emergency”, in our respective countries, and in India. We have natural right to demand complete ban over GMOs and penal action against those who deliberately contaminate our farms and forests. We have a right to ask questions why biological and radiological contaminations were allowed. The Indian officials are complicit and, rightly, they should be charged with treason and tried for that ultimate crime called genocide. So should US officials. And so should the officers of Monsanto and others, exactly as the goons were tried at Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal.


March 22, 2007 Arun Shrivastava MBA, CMC, is a certified management consultant living in Delhi. He can be contacted at: arun1951@yahoo.com
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anoninnyc
05-08-2007, 04:09 AM
and it is not just india.....

check out this vid on youtube

UFOTV News - Bad Seed - The Dangerous Truth About Our Foods - YouTube

i think the nwo's most dangerous threat to humanity is monsanto and exactly what you are talking about.

hagbard_celine
05-08-2007, 10:49 AM
There's a British company involved in the destruction of India, a mining conglomerate called Vedanta. I'm naming and shaming them; boycott their products.

hagbard_celine
05-08-2007, 10:53 AM
and it is not just india.....

check out this vid on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1TOss9Mslw

i think the nwo's most dangerous threat to humanity is monsanto and exactly what you are talking about.

:eek: I feel sick!

Still, I'm glad you posted this. It's a good sign that films like this are being made and people as prominent as Friedjof Capra are speaking out about it.

Eat as much organic food as possible; and only buy it from small, local businesses.

hagbard_celine
05-08-2007, 11:15 AM
Vedanta is currently planning to open a bauxite mine in the Orissa state of northeast India. The forested mountins of the region are home to the Dongria Konds, an ancient indigenous cultrue with a unique heritage. they live by their own agriculture on sustainable farms. Vedanta has offered to buy their land and "bring them prosperity and development". What they mean is they want to destroy the Dongria Konds' indepenant economy, bulldozer over the farms and cut down their forest home. Vednata has promised to "financially support" them. This means that they will offer the Konds' slave-labour jobs in their mines and make them dependant on their contracted multinational for food and housing.

The Kond's sensibly refused the offer. What followed was barbaric and showed Vedanta's true colours. Armed gangs invaded the Konds' villages, beat up the people, killing some, and burning down their houses. The Kond's are taking to the company to court and Caduceus magazine is covering their cause, so hopefully they will win.

kblood
05-08-2007, 11:28 AM
Quote:
Blah blah blah... Im fearing conspiracies targeting us big time... blah blah blah.
signed: ForeverSpirit

That is how I viewed your post. Sorry for being so directly confronting, and maybe demeaning. As I see it, whatever science we do or however we treat others, to develop something new, even if it is us playing god, it still is part of our system and part of what we need to do to learn who and what we are.

I dont fear new technologies. We will be taught the moral of them even when they are biological. Some are already doing so in movies and other media. Genetic manipulation of humans cant be stopped, it is happening, and will keep happening. Quite an obvious fact. When have we ever been able to stop our own curiosity? Gene manipulation of food is feared, simply because it is different. If something is more resistant to bugs and diseases, grows to be bigger and tastes of... less maybe. Then it has to be evil? I see it as a new possible "specie" that might adept to life and help us making life easier.

Doomsday seed? We all have this. We are bound to die and degenerate from the moment we are born. Encoded into our DNA. That is what some scientists have come to believe anyway.

Also we our earth is having a hard time adjusting to our greatly increasing numbers. A cataclysm or global flooding could of course solve this problem for us quite effectively, so why are you fearing all this junk? Its like smoking: A slow way of dying, but still enjoyable ;)

hagbard_celine
05-08-2007, 12:44 PM
Quote:
Blah blah blah... Im fearing conspiracies targeting us big time... blah blah blah.
signed: ForeverSpirit

That is how I viewed your post. Sorry for being so directly confronting, and maybe demeaning. As I see it, whatever science we do or however we treat others, to develop something new, even if it is us playing god, it still is part of our system and part of what we need to do to learn who and what we are.

I dont fear new technologies. We will be taught the moral of them even when they are biological. Some are already doing so in movies and other media. Genetic manipulation of humans cant be stopped, it is happening, and will keep happening. Quite an obvious fact. When have we ever been able to stop our own curiosity? Gene manipulation of food is feared, simply because it is different. If something is more resistant to bugs and diseases, grows to be bigger and tastes of... less maybe. Then it has to be evil? I see it as a new possible "specie" that might adept to life and help us making life easier.

Doomsday seed? We all have this. We are bound to die and degenerate from the moment we are born. Encoded into our DNA. That is what some scientists have come to believe anyway.

Also we our earth is having a hard time adjusting to our greatly increasing numbers. A cataclysm or global flooding could of course solve this problem for us quite effectively, so why are you fearing all this junk? Its like smoking: A slow way of dying, but still enjoyable ;)


There's nothing inhearently bad about new technology. What's bad is the motives and conscience of those who produce it and for what purpose it is intended.

Genetically modifying life forms is not necessarily bad. It's nothing new either. Most farm and domestic animals are in the form that they are because of deliberate genetic engineering over 1000's of years. We do it to dogs for our own amusement! Do you think nature inteneded dogs to look like Dachsunds or Beagles!? The problem is that when food is genetically modified for the purpose of incresing control and economic power then it is bad. If it's designed to alter the social and biolgical structure of humanity then it is bad. We don't know whether GM foods are safe or not; we have to take the word of its manufaturers for it: Monsanto!:mad::rolleyes: And we know of programmes to change the population and breed "new humans" and kill off "useless eaters".

Also we our earth is having a hard time adjusting to our greatly increasing numbers.
This is a fallacy. The Earth could easily cope with the current human population if we behaved ourselves. Whether there are 6 billion of 12 billion people, we represent a small portion of the biosphere. What the Earth is having trouble with are 6-12 billion people who abuse and poison the environment that could otherwise support them quite happily.

mynameis
06-08-2007, 10:39 AM
It's called the snow white poisoned apple attack. GMO's are designer untraceable bio-weapons. You eat them and years later you die of disease or new cancers.

kblood
06-08-2007, 11:22 AM
This is a fallacy. The Earth could easily cope with the current human population if we behaved ourselves. Whether there are 6 billion of 12 billion people, we represent a small portion of the biosphere. What the Earth is having trouble with are 6-12 billion people who abuse and poison the environment that could otherwise support them quite happily.

That is true. I think that we will be punished if we dont change our ways though, with stuff like floodings and all that. Evacuation measures might already be in progress though. So far going into the Earth seems the best option to me. Technology doesnt allow for much else.

I have heard alot about people maybe like the CIA and so on, try to make the world a better place, by poisoning water supplies and so on. I believe it can be healed and/or resisted though, if you dont live a life of fear.

I try not to mourn death too much, so that might make some of my views cynical. I have had to be so sometimes though, to save my soul from burning up in emotions... Have felt like that a few times anyway.

Against conspiracy theories like this, I can only suggest to take precaution measures against the ways they might poison someone, and then try not to worry about it. Simply not worth your time thinking about "maybe" being poisioned on a daily basis. Pollution is doing this without humans targetting humans anyway. Cellular phones can cause cancer, and so can power cords and all that. Big energy hubs will always possibly be a health risk.

I can only suggest that you try to feel your body, and if you find anything that feels unnatural in your body, that doesnt just come and go, then maybe go see a doctor. Will always leave traces of whatever the poison is, and show up as higher numbers of something in the body.

Knowing what it is and how they are doing it, should help getting over it. Otherwise not fearing it is the only option I see. Fear is a mindkiller as they say in Dune :) And I also think it might manifest in the body.

mynameis
06-08-2007, 05:43 PM
My fear transforms into action and courage. I dunno about cancer. I just can't sit there and let them poison children, I'd be no better off than they are knowing they are running and doing such schemes.

anoninnyc
06-08-2007, 06:22 PM
My fear transforms into action and courage. I dunno about cancer. I just can't sit there and let them poison children, I'd be no better off than they are knowing they are running and doing such schemes.

yes knowledge is power.

kblood
06-08-2007, 06:27 PM
My fear transforms into action and courage. I dunno about cancer. I just can't sit there and let them poison children, I'd be no better off than they are knowing they are running and doing such schemes.

Yup. If we went on being unnaffected by everything, then we would be kept from evolving. I dont know who "they" are though, so I cant go to the source of the problem and stop it. I belief the source is fear though. They fear we have to be controlled so we wont destroy. Therefore they act upon their fear as well, just like we react to the fear they cause by doing it.

synergy777
06-08-2007, 07:16 PM
its not just india, but india is catching up. its the europe with its processed food which has the future shock coming. the organic food, home cooking/baking is the best way. most meals from fresh can be cooked in 30,mins, so when people say they haven't the time, its rubbish, you watch tv, or put the radio on and cook. its convience that has made us lousy eaters. its also the abuse of trust by the food companies, the media blame people, but never blame the unethical food manufacturers. on ch4, the country kitchen, they showed the colourings, additives, e numbers of the ready made meals. the e number they used for colouring rice, (we use tumeric) was derived from crushed beetles, no wonder they classify it as an e number, the real source would put people off.

cruise4
07-08-2007, 02:48 AM
GM very bad. Because once its done its done. Regardless of what happens we cannot remove it, well not in any way I'm aware of. This could be the biggest Bio-weapon they have and we have had no choice again. there will be some true horrors manifest from this technology. They do not know what they are doing in this area.

hagbard_celine
07-08-2007, 07:56 AM
GM very bad. Because once its done its done. Regardless of what happens we cannot remove it, well not in any way I'm aware of. This could be the biggest Bio-weapon they have and we have had no choice again. there will be some true horrors manifest from this technology. They do not know what they are doing in this area.

We know that there are plans for "population modification" in the pipeline. If you were in charge of designing methods to do this, how would you go about it? I would use medicine as one way, put chemicals into people through vaccination etc. I would also change food, using modified DNA as Trojan Horse poisoning. New viruses and cancers can be created this way.

omshanti
07-08-2007, 09:07 AM
I agree that the world being overpopulated is a totally ridiculous fallacy.
(especially as i live in the vast, minimally populated continent of australia).
i do not see "evolvement" as acting with the intention of deceiving/harming/ killing people.
accepting this course of "reality" is rather devolvement. lower frequency. reptilian consciousness.. with the desire to own and control by creating the illusory realm of scarcity (which can generate fear).
my point is...the nature, the essence, the stillness of who we are as spirit beings...is the non frequency of love and interconnectedness.

accepting the course of killing off people- culling the population- you and me. our "other" selves...is a passive way of condoning the agenda of violence and control. co creating this reality with the likes of Monsanto.
comments like we all die anyway....it is part of technology etc appear to lack the heart of compassion; qualities required to create a world where love replaces fear....

anoninnyc
07-08-2007, 11:35 AM
We know that there are plans for "population modification" in the pipeline. If you were in charge of designing methods to do this, how would you go about it? I would use medicine as one way, put chemicals into people through vaccination etc. I would also change food, using modified DNA as Trojan Horse poisoning. New viruses and cancers can be created this way.

vaccinations aren't as efficient because people can resist. but it you get it into the food supply then it is much more difficult to avoid. a genetically modified apple looks just like the regular old kind. monsanto is truly the greatest threat to mankind.

and omshanti, great post, i completely agree.

kblood
07-08-2007, 10:40 PM
Anyone seen the series "Alias"? Did get around this subject as well in season 3 or 4 I think. I think it has been done in most countries, and might still be happening. I have thought about it, but I still like my water. Better than not having water at all. That would be nasty.

synergy777
08-08-2007, 12:06 PM
processed foods, e numbers, additives, artificial sweetners, processed sugar/flour eg white, environmental pollution, microwaves, the average person has this crap everyday. then add the anribiotics, in meat etc, its fucked. the next 10/15 years when this generation grows older, we wil see many problems, look at the under 20's now, the turkey twizzler generation. good food, doesn't cost that much, its the whole packaging/convience factor which makes all this crap attractive.

all school kids hate jamie oliver, their parents hate oliver. how many kids get real food, and not the manufactured crap? its the parents fault. personally the elite don't eat that crap, they love seeing the plebs eating that junk.like pigs eat filth.

kblood
08-08-2007, 02:15 PM
Very perceptive :) Yes, we fill ourselves with all kinds of artificial foods. Getting them natural isnt becomming any easier with so many of us being born every day. That anyone would have to poison our watersupplies seems kind of self defeating. I rarely think water tasted good after going through all those pipes, but it could be many things. If I dont feel it is giving me what I need, then I will just drink something else.

I do drink water weeks in a row though, without buying it from a shop. There is also the cases where the watercleaning facility has problems, and have to warn the possible drinkers of water about it having to high amounts of something. Mostly the warnings are targetted for those with bad health to begin with. If your health is good, then the body will cleanse itself.

truthsayer
08-08-2007, 11:00 PM
We know that there are plans for "population modification" in the pipeline. If you were in charge of designing methods to do this, how would you go about it? I would use medicine as one way, put chemicals into people through vaccination etc. I would also change food, using modified DNA as Trojan Horse poisoning. New viruses and cancers can be created this way.

How about medication in our water, say flouride for example...

In the 1930s, Hitler and the German Nazi’s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of Pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.


Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. (A convenient light lobotomy)


I filter my water, avoid salt and sugar and eat nearly all organic. I also avoid pre-packaged meals and don't eat any meat. I also try to moderate the amount of dairy I consume.

Sugar compaines are one of the largest contributors to the EU.

Monsato brought us Agent Orange and PCB, so you know what comes from them can't be good and certainly not for fair traders.

nickatnoon61
08-08-2007, 11:06 PM
How about medication in our water, say flouride for example...



I filter my water, avoid salt and sugar and eat nearly all organic. I also avoid pre-packaged meals and don't eat any meat. I also try to moderate the amount of dairy I consume.

Sugar compaines are one of the largest contributors to the EU.

Monsato brought us Agent Orange and PCB, so you know what comes from them can't be good and certainly not for fair traders.

Hi T.S., kudos to you! I live a similar life-style(vegan, 90% RAW foods) and nearly zero processed foods. Check into Himalayan Crystal salt, tho. It is beneficial to us humans/hybrids!:eek: Because of your healthy diet, you must be good-lookin' like me,eh????:D

jesuitsdidit
26-10-2008, 03:30 PM
I agree that the world being overpopulated is a totally ridiculous fallacy.

so what is the max sustainable human population iyo?

real6
26-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Monsanto Indian Farmer Suicide - YouTube