What is going on at Steorn?

[baron von lotsov]

I don't know, I can't fathom it, so I put this question out to you lot.

Here is the bone of contention. Can anyone spot the issue I'm talking about?

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Irish company Steorn made headlines around the world when it took out a full page advert in The Economist claiming to have developed a device that produced "free energy".
Throughout early July, the company planned to display the device to the public for the first time.

Professor Sir Eric Ash, electrical engineer and former rector of Imperial College London, visited the demonstration for the BBC News website.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm


This is Sir Eric Ash

Eric Ash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you want the rest of his name? Well it is: CBE FRS FREng FIET

About as establishment as you would ever get, so one crucial issue bugs me. If this guy is so bright and such an amazing scientist then ask yourself what does a scientist do when someone makes a claim? Did he check it!!!!!!

[Ian2day]

For all we know. They have been made an offer they can't refuse! Capise?

[seanx]

Very good Question, Baron.

Any ideas.

Such an invention would change everything.

[cruise4]

Regarding Steorn:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10013&highlight=

Free Energy - not new information but I didn't realise how easy it is to do. Check this thread out:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=1781&highlight=free+energy


One Post
catfish gives information for eductional purposes only, experimenting with hydrogen or a mixture of oxygen/hydrogen is highly dangerous and you do so entirely at your own risk catfish does not recommend you do so and they disclaim any responsibility should you decide to go against their advice.

Please, anyone with an open mind and genuinely interested in running their house and car on rain water, PM or e-mail me and I'll tell you what I know.

Everyone I cannot stress enough the importance of learning about brown's gas.
Brown's gas is made through simple electrolysis of water and is a mixture of single hydrogen and oxygen molecules.
Brown's gas can run a car, an electric generator and heat a boiler.
Think about not having to pay for anything. Think about having time to do what you want.
If you grow your own food and filter your own water, produce your own electric and gas, you do not have to go to work unless you want to.

The biggest cover-up is not 9/11.

The biggest cover-up is that it is easy to make useful, pollution free gas from water.

The biggest cover-up is that we can live for free.


This is a good place to start: www.waterpoweredcar.com

The first time I made Brown's gas a couple of weeks ago was easy. You will need:
1) 12 volt car battery or power supply
2) A short piece of metal tube (mine was stainless steel, 1.5 inch diameter, 4 inch length)
3) A glass jar tall enough to hold the tube
4) 4 inch nail, some rubber to insulate the nail from the tube.
5) 2 wires to connect it up

Put the nail in the tube, use some rubber spacers to make sure they aren't touching. The tip of the nail is best when level with the top of the tube.

Attach the negative* side of the power supply to the nail's head.

Attach the positive* side to the outside of the tube, with tape or an elastic band. Don't let them touch! Your supply will short out!

Fill the jar with water and place the nail and tube inside, wires and all, with the tip of the nail upwards.

With your power supply turned on, very quickly you should see bubbles crawling up the nail and forming on the surface. The effect can be increased by adding a tiny bit of caustic soda or sea salt.

These bubbles are explosive (or should I say implosive).
Try them out with a match for exceptional bubble imploding fun.

This is a small scale, very easy to make, brown's gas generator, and if you build it, it will amaze you.
*it still works the other way but in bigger models I've used the negative in the middle because it seems to work better.



Another Post
I just realised I'd put the video of the water flame up but not how to make it, described below is what I and a couple of friends have made.

This was my post to the group hydroxy at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hydroxy/message/52 describing how I made it:

3 weeks ago a few friends and I decided to make a joe cell...

INTRODUCTION
The results were fasinating, so we went on to make an electrolysis
unit of the same design. We decided as patience is required to make
joe cells, we would continue with the joe cell experiment and move on
to some 'basic' electrolysis in the hope that we could use the extra
current from a cars alternator to improve efficiency (like the hydro
boost system, but bigger!)

316 STAINLESS STEEL
Luckily, we know lots of people that use 316L stainless steel, so off
we went to raid a few scrap bins from local companies...

STAINLESS PARTS LIST:
1 x 11" by 5" Tube
1 x 7" by 4" Tube
2 x 7" by 3" Tube
1 x 7" by 2" Tube
1 x 13" Circle 5mm Thick
1 x 3m threaded bar
32 x Nuts for the threaded bar
4 x bolts for feet (on the base)
1 x massive bolt for the negative electrode
1 x 12" square of 1mm sheet
2 x 3mm by wahtever (it is scrap) plates to use as lids

RUBBER:
Solid O-RING Rubber (spacing tubes)
5mm deep O-RING for the base bolt
3mm Neoprene Sheet
1mm Reinforced Rubber

HYDRAULICS
High Pressure Tube and Connectors
Pressure Gauge 1bar
Pressure Cut Off Switch 15 psi
Gas Tap
Acetylene Torch (to use the gas for welding and cutting)

POWER SYSTEM
1 x pair of jump leads or cable with crocodile clips
1 x rubbish car battery

ELECTROLYTE
water
caustic soda (99.99% sodium hydroxide)

HOW TO BUILD (in brief)
The tubes were positioned on the large stainless circle base, marked
and removed, the circle base was then drilled and tapped to accomodate
the various pipe fittings.
A piece of stainless sheet was cut to make a star shape which is used
to hold the inner tube to the centre bolt (which is also the negative
terminal) see joe cell designs...
The concentric tubes were then fitted together and held in place with
small pieces of solid o-ring rubber. 5" outer tube, with the 4", 3"
and 2" tubes inside, leaving 4cm of free space underneath.

The spare 3" tube is just a flashback bubbler, probably the most
important thing in the system, designed like a bong. The gas coming in
bubbles through the water and the gas going out doesn't. Flashbacks do
occur as acetylene torch arresters do not quite stop the Browns Gas
(Hydroxy, Oxyhydros, HHO...)

The threaded bar was cut into equal lengths (4 x 13" and 4 x 11") and
the whole system is then bolted together. The pressure gauge is fitted
to the bubbler, along with a tube to the acetylene torch.

The cutting torch is amazing...

RESULTS
We bubbled the gas into a full bottle of inverted water to measure the
displacement and therefore the volume of gas produced Wink

Using a current limiting (brand new) power supply and a high quality
(brand new) multimeter we discovered we were producing between 60 and
100 litres of gas per hour with between 12 and 20amps at 12 volts. The
results varied tremendously as you can see, based on electrolyte
concentrations and temperature, the warmer the better.

These results seemed quite promising so we asked an electrical
engineer to do the same power/production test with us and he concluded
the following:

60 litres = 100Wh = 1.6Wh per litre

This is totally rounded down at every stage to give the worst possible
results(ie worst litre production figures used)

Then I noticed Kanarev's results for highly efficient electrolysis:

1000 litres = 4 KWh = 4Wh per litre

FORKLIFT TRUCK
We fitted the gas genertor to a forklift truck, set up to run on
propane. The truck tried to start but didn't seem to have enough gas.
To solve this problem we safely filled a propane can with Brown's Gas
and then reconnected it to the truck. It ran really smooth!

WELDING AND CUTTING
The flame is like a laser, ultra sharp piont and very controllable.
It is true what you read on the web, the flame is not that hot but
when it hits the surface of something it reaches whatever temperature
is required to melt, burn, etc...

CONCLUSION
At least 50% of the people involved have high level degrees and other
qualifications suitable for this kind of experimentation, but to be
honest, no one thought it would work so well... The physics books must
be full of lies! And it easy to see why, if every physics, maths or
chemistry student new that you could 'easily' run a car, cook and heat
your house with water, with no environmental impact and save money, no
one would be pissing about with GREENPEACE and FRIENDS OF THE EARTH...

ARMCHAIR SCIENTISTS
If anyone decides to post negative remarks regarding this project,
please remember, we have done it, it works, it has been checked and
for less than a days work and £200 max, you could help to save the
planet too!

Go on, have a go!


Update:

Since making the torch we have discovered that much smaller tubes can be used. If you use just three tubes of 75mm length, with the biggest diameter being 50mm, then two smaller concentric tubes with no more than 2mm gap between the walls.
Put spacers in between the tubes so they cannot touch each other.
Connect a wire to the bottom of your centre tube
Connect a wire to the top of your outside tube
Now put the tubes in a container tall enough to cover the top of the tubes, like a coffee jar, then fill it with water
Connect the outside tube to the positive of a 12v car battery
Connect the inside to the negative

For instant results you can add a little rock salt or pure caustic soda but with patience the water will produce gradually more and more gas without electrolyte, but if it's slow use salt. I keep meaning to use an acid electrolyte but I've only just remembered it now.

Two of the above devices in Lucozade pop bottles were producing the same amount of gas as the big torch.

For a simple proof you can do the same as above but just use one tube a jar and a stainless bolt, connect the bolt as negative and tube as positive. This is small but you will get bubbles that you can explode with a lighter!

Use 316 food grade stainless steel, this has very little magnetism which helps the electrolysis process.

Thanks for your interest and I really do hope you give it a try, the hydroxy yahoo group seems to be disinformation, they're obsessed with flat plates but I promise you tubes are MUCH better.

Other good stuff is on http://jnaudin.free.fr/ but I haven't made any of it yet.
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Ment : The mind

[cheeb]

That does sound interesting,
But you are not getting free energy,
when you are using a battery to imput energy into this system.?

[cruise4]

I know what you mean Cheeb but in that sense I reckon the phrase is meaningless.

What is meant is 'Free energy' from our perspective... and Water+Sunlight fulfills that nicely. 93% of water in the UK is not collected. Solar Power is available for nothing after purchase of the initial kit.

I'm not paying £1 a litre any more... I'm paying £0 once set up.

[hagbard_celine]

That does sound interesting,
But you are not getting free energy,
when you are using a battery to imput energy into this system.?

But if the energy that comes out of the system exceeds the initial boost by the battery then the energy is "free" by definition. Having to use non-free energy to start the machine up is irrelevant. If someone invented a Free Energy machine that could be started up by just pressing a button then you'd still need the initial non-free energy imput of the energy your finger uses to press it.

[hagbard_celine]

I've been getting suspicious of Steorn lately. I'm on their mailing list, but they've not sent me the results of the independant tests, even though they promised we would be the first to know. Despite this they have been demonstrating the device in Covent Garden!

[cruise4]

On that nineeleven thread someone said they were Web designers, who have a track record of seeking funding... for whats it worth.

Interesting link about free energy from magnets. They could be using this for their mag lev trains down their underground cities.
http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm

[supertzar]

What is going on at Steorn?

Someone might ask you the same thing, Baron Von Lotsov. You went on and on about how much you were doing for all of us on the old board by bringing Steorn to our attention. It was a slam dunk that Steorn was legit and their technology was going to change the world. We were all so caught up in our New Age belief systems that we couldn't see that this was what we should be spending all our time promoting. So WTF! :mad:

[Anders Lindman]

One speculation is that Steorn is cooperating with government agencies who already have such technology, but in order for them to introduce it on the public market they need to use a front such as Steorn because they cannot reveal (at least not yet) their black budget research projects, so they cannot use the standard peer review process in mainstream science and instead have to rely on things like Steorn's validation process and invite scientists that way. :)

[baron von lotsov]

I agree, it is starting to look fishy. They seem to have a lot of cash flowing in and use the best PR firm in the business who do work for the major corporations. They are also well connected to banks and the oil business. Even so I have no idea what the game is at the moment. There are a number of possibilities that could explain it but I don't buy that crap about the lights for the camera affecting the demonstration. That is utter shit; you can get infrared cameras to work in complete darkness! They are a technology company for goodness sake!!!

[synergy777]

its like gm, they have a hydrogen concept car, the highwire, it was on top gear. the fossil fuel economy is too big, let them fully exploit that, then voila, a sudden breakthough, free energy, product cycles/revenue streams.

[baron von lotsov]

The plan is to reduce available energy and to jack its price up. That's what all this inefficient solar and wind rubbish is all about. You have to factor the global warming scam into it since it is in part driven by firms like BP.

[synergy777]

the old false scarcity scam, supply/demand, enrgy being an inelastic good, its perfect scam.

[baron von lotsov]

Their usual trick is to first try and pay people off. This is their preferred method because a few million when you have trillions is like you chucking a tramp a 10p coin. It also ensures the least amount of trouble and repercussions when they link the payoff to confidentiality. Only when someone can't be paid off or put out of business does the nasty stuff get resorted to. So look at Steorn's financial statements in the form of their yearly accounts. It has spiked with no visible other sources of income for the company, which by the looks of things is running entirely at a loss and has been for many years. This is a NWO company, one that is rich by the amount of debt it can achieve!

[hagbard_celine]

I wonder if they paid Steorn as much as they paid Fleischman and Pons.:mad: I think Baron is right; they try bribery first before they try threats. If someone offered them some cash to keep quiet they might have understood the score and thought: "Well one way or another we're closing down; we might as well make a few quid out of it."

[baron von lotsov]

I wonder if they paid Steorn as much as they paid Fleischman and Pons.:mad: I think Baron is right; they try bribery first before they try threats. If someone offered them some cash to keep quiet they might have understood the score and thought: "Well one way or another we're closing down; we might as well make a few quid out of it."

When Fleischmann was interviewed about Steorn he was very doubtful it was possible, a complete negative without any scientific reasoning to support it. Paid off in other words. The Japs invested £75 million in a lab in the south of France as I recall. Nothing became of his work.