"Cannabis use triggers teenager's fatal fit"

[plattypuss]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196770/Cannabis-harmless-warns-coroner-drug-use-triggers-teenagers-fatal-fit.html

Unbelievable...

A coroner has condemned claims that smoking cannabis is 'harmless' after hearing how it triggered the death of a teenager who had given up smoking the drug.

Cheshire deputy coroner Geoff Roberts said it was a misconception to think cannabis was safe to use after it directly led to the death of teenager Adie Gardner.

The 17-year-old suffered a fatal seizure in front of his father in October last year just months after quitting cannabis to take up his first ever job.
Smoking cannabis

Coroner Geoff Roberts cannabis was never harmless to use after it directly led to the death of teenager Adie Gardner. File photo

Doctors who examined the the trainee chef's body confirmed Adie had not taken cannabis in the run up to his death.

But the coroner heard how his body had been ravaged so badly by the effects of his past misuse that it killed him.

An inquest in Macclesfield, Cheshire, was told Adie had fallen victim to a 'legacy' of using the drug in the past .

Mr Roberts said: 'People use cannabis and think it is a harmless property. But we have heard clear evidence in this case that it is not.

'Very sadly this young man died as a result of the direct toxic effects on the heart that the use of cannabis had, as such it was an avoidable death.'

Mr Roberts ruled Adie's death was caused as a result of using drugs.

The coroner added the teenager had used cannabis over a period of time and that his death was all the more tragic as he had given up the drug and was turning his life around.

'This is a very sad case because despite his turbulent past and cannabis use, he had got a job as a trainee chef,' the coroner said.

'The post mortem showed no findings of recent drug use. But his body was left with a legacy of using cannabis in the past which directly led to his death.'

Adie, whose real name was Hadrian, led a 'turbulent' life taking drugs and was expelled from the former 1,000 puil Henbury High comprehensive school, the coroner was told.

The teenager had suffered a heart attack the year before his death, but had vowed to turn his life round after being offered a place on a scheme run by Cheshire Fire Service aimed at 'hard to reach' youngsters.

He visited fire stations and learned how to be good citizen before taking a 'big step forward' in taking a job as a trainee chef at Prestbury Village Restaurant.

He died in October last year on only his second day at work.

Adie's father, Robert Gardner, told the inquest he was waiting to pick his son up from the Village Restaurant when his son began to fit.

He told the hearing: 'He came out of the restaurant, crossed the triangular piece of grass and then stumbled and fell on the pavement.

'It was a bit surreal. He fitted for about ten seconds.'

Paramedics rushed to the scene but battled in vain to save him and he was later pronounced dead at Macclesfield Hospital.

Dr Mark Nicol, who treated the teenager at Macclesfield A&E, said in his report that the case was 'unique' as he had been admitted to A&E in 2007 after suffering a heart attack. On that occasion, doctors were able to revive him.

Dr Nicol said, 'Drug problems were acknowledged at that time. This case highlights that Cannabis is potentially life threatening.

Dr Sally Hales, who carried out the post mortem, said in her report to the coroner that there were no traces of cannabis or other illegal drugs in Adie's body when he died.

Dr Hales examined the heart and concluded the teenager had myocarditis - an inflammation of the heart.

Sh said 'a history of using cannabis, amphetamines and cocaine would appear to be the most likely cause' of the teenager's death.

After the inquest, Adie's former boss at the Prestbury Village Restaurant paid tribute to the youngster.

Manager Rick Palmer said: 'He was a nice lad who worked hard. He was reliable, no trouble and good to work with. His death was a total shock to us all.'

[disorder2k8]

lol, daily(hate)mail again for unbiased and informative news

maybe it was something else if he was a few months off of the stuff, how the fuck can anyone claim it was cannabis that did it.. what a load of BS

[rhydra]

a history of using cannabis, amphetamines and cocaine would appear to be the most likely cause' of the teenager's death.


So the cocaine and amphetamines were totally circumstantial then? :rolleyes:

[wise haven]

Ban peanuts then.

Thank you "The Daily deRail"

Nonsensical, unscientific, illogical fear mongering.

[cookie_dude]

So the cocaine and amphetamines were totally circumstantial then? :rolleyes:

You beat me to it.:) I know which drug I think I would blame.:rolleyes:

[elixirsoo]

so the cocaine and amphetamines were totally circumstantial then? :rolleyes:
/\_/\_/\
roflmao :d :d :d

[kanz]

They try so hard to stitch up weed , yet booze is still the norm in so many places ...:confused:. I really don't understand this logic.

[elixirsoo]

Wonder what the coroner was on...? :)

[entrainment]

so he had myocarditis - an inflammation of the heart

they state very robustly that it was brought about by cannabis use yet later in the story we find out the lad was using amphetamines and cocaine as well

urmmm now let me think…..was his death really the result of cannabis or could it have been the result of amphetamines and cocaine and cannabis

just wondering what the amphetamines were, do they all interact with the body in the same way, do they all produce the same effects etc.

To blame one drug (cannabis) when clearly a cocktail of drugs were used is dangerous at best. What about this lads lifestyle? What about this lads medical history, family history etc etc etc

No system can be isolated and this holds true for our bodies in every bit as much as it does for science both classical and quantum. Shame the media politicians can looks at the whole picture before shooting there dumb ass mouths off.
If they have looked at the complete picture then they should bloody tell us so we don’t look at them and think what a bunch of lying cunts

[disorder2k8]

lol,,, I think we should ban all daily mail articles.

[entrainment]

They try so hard to stitch up weed , yet booze is still the norm in so many places ...:confused:. I really don't understand this logic.

Booze makes me want to die the next day, i feel sick, my head hurts, i feel low and lathargic etc etc ban toxic fucking booze and make weed cheap and available to all :cool:

[lewi]

after it directly led to the death of teenager Adie Gardner.

The 17-year-old suffered a fatal seizure in front of his father in October last year just months after quitting cannabis to take up his first ever job.
Directly led to the death how is it directly linked if he has not smoked Cannabis for a number of months :confused:

All this says to some people is if they smoke Cannabis and are thinking of quiting a few months later they could die from a fatal seizure and if that IS the case
you wont see many unaware smokers quiting anytime soon making paranoid teens spend even more on there habit .

Fear = Profit after all ....

[majorlee]

They try so hard to stitch up weed , yet booze is still the norm in so many places ...:confused:. I really don't understand this logic.

there is no logic - just agenda :mad:

[lester diamond]

Hahahaha i saw this in the manchester evening news the other day and laughed how illogical it all is, as someone pointed out he had stopped using cannabis yet it was directly linked to his death. What a load!!!!!!!! The sad thing is people will read this article and take it as truth when it is so far from the truth.

[supertzar]

It's fascinating to observe this onslaught of UK propaganda against the most beneficial plant in the world from across the pond. Amazingly in the US sentiment seems to be turning towards legalization.

[lewi]

Hahahaha i saw this in the manchester evening news the other day and laughed how illogical it all is, as someone pointed out he had stopped using cannabis yet it was directly linked to his death. What a load!!!!!!!! The sad thing is people will read this article and take it as truth when it is so far from the truth.
The second death related to Cannabis i have heard of :eek:
Even tho it was totally unconnected :o:eek::p

[entrainment]

Great news really.

More weed for me if others stop smoking it - WoooHoooo:D :D

[lewi]

Great news really.

More weed for me if others stop smoking it - WoooHoooo:D :D
No not more weed for you as the people who want to avoid dying from a fatal fit will be buying the stuff up in record amounts :p

[supertzar]

The second death related to Cannabis i have heard of :eek:
Even tho it was totally unconnected :o:eek::p

I actually knew a kid who collapsed a lung doing bong rips. Later he collapsed the other one doing more bong rips and died on the spot. :eek: He had a congenital lung disease though, so I don't know if that really counts.

[entrainment]

I actually knew a kid who collapsed a lung doing bong rips. Later he collapsed the other one doing more bong rips and died on the spot. :eek: He had a congenital lung disease though, so I don't know if that really counts.

Yeah of course it counts, have you not seen the SwineFlu deaths recently

underlaying medical conditions is the new black :D

[lewi]

I actually knew a kid who collapsed a lung doing bong rips. Later he collapsed the other one doing more bong rips and died on the spot. :eek: He had a congenital lung disease though, so I don't know if that really counts.
Sorry to hear about your loss :( But i dont think it counts as your friend knew that he had this illness and should of ingested the herb instead to get pain relief.

[alzee]

Yet another typically trash piece from the DailyHate.

Quelle surprise!

[supertzar]

Sorry to hear about your loss :( But i dont think it counts as your friend knew that he had this illness and should of ingested the herb instead to get pain relief.

He wasn't a good friend, just someone who came around once or twice. I wonder if he wanted to go out like that somewhere in his mind.

[truedruid]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/4359775/Deaths-from-alcohol-abuse-more-than-double-in-16-years-ONS-figures-show.html

A total of 8,724 people died of conditions such as alcohol poisoning and liver cirrhosis in 2007.

More than 300 people aged between 15 and 34 died of conditions related to alcohol consumption in 2007.

Alison Rogers, the chief executive of the British Liver Trust, forecast a significant rise in the number of deaths in coming years due to heavy drinking among young people today.

Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, said: "Labour's irresponsible decision to roll out 24-hour drinking on our towns and communities has not helped. Unless they get a grip on the situation, and quickly, the cost to society and the NHS is only going to increase."

And Gordon Brown says "We are going to continue to inform the youth of the dangers of cannabis.
To be perfectly honest I think most of the youth today stick two fingers up at Brown. and why shouldn't they, they seem to be more intelligent than he is.

How many times has the public been inform on a death from alcohol, yet an ex-cannabis smoker who took chemicals and cocaine died and it's big news.

A medical student dies from mixing GBL and alcohol last week, what do you think they blame? not alcohol! did you need that clue?

Lies Lies Lies.

What do I tell my kids?

[saicosis]

The 17-year-old suffered a fatal seizure in front of his father in October last year just months after quitting cannabis to take up his first ever job.
Smoking cannabis

After reading that part, my first thought was that it the cannabis was probably stopping him from dying rather than being the cause of it. I'm no doctor though. I know enough to say I am sure it was the lifestyle and/or the other drugs they found in his system, and not cannabis.

[cryst4l]

Wonder what the coroner was on...? :)

A blue pill :D

[octopusrex]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196770/Cannabis-harmless-warns-coroner-drug-use-triggers-teenagers-fatal-fit.html

Unbelievable...

You don't die from smoking pot.
(unless you get lung cancer, of course).

[elixirsoo]

A blue pill :D

Good one :D

[supertzar]

You don't die from smoking pot.
(unless you get lung cancer, of course).

AAAAAHHHHH!!! Tearing my hair out! Smoking pot does not cause lung cancer! I feel like you should know this, octo.

[gods sun]

in this time of age it should be legal if not in shops in pharma stores with cards if nessacary this stuff helps me live my life as i.b.s can get bad but if i can make hemp oil the possiblities are endless this sucks i dont like alcohol so they give me the option off laced bzp crap :mad: there not even options for kava bars etc to be open id love to start first kava kava bar in my town boost buisness. people will soon dislike alcohol and chillout in comfortable bars and reggea music, clean toilet facilites, and dont forget good food, open late. imagine the relaxation off work friends boss managers etc be all 1 laughing having fun, not be shrouded by poilicy of what you can wear and health and saftey and rediculous disaplinary procedure, also where flexible hours more jobs great time.

im feed up of this system i cant live it because i no longer understand it, if it kills me it kills me but i see so much bad like cancer profits and people dying in waiting rooms of cancer when there is a cure is just sick!!!

children, children!! ill for what MONEY!! sick a**holes i really hope people wake up or the heavens will do somthing because when will it change we cant live like this my friends.

everytime its someday, someday it will happen, im tired of someday now.

if anyone says pot is bad i rage with fury and tell them the truth. for i have every right to be angry at people who deny truth with facts and peoples experiance.

i now leave you with a great song by dub fx good music for a chillout time.

Dub FX - Future - YouTube

love his music great lyrics to same song on radio to peace and love greed and disgust of being over weight not respecting anything.

[whiterain]

'This is a very sad case because despite his turbulent past and cannabis use, he had got a job as a trainee chef,'

because when someone dies who is out of work, were glad to see the back of them :rolleyes:

this is a fcking disgrace. they have found absolutely no link between cannabis use and his death except in their own worryingly warped minds.

this is like saying jacko died cos he used to eat happy meals as a child. (although in that case it would probably be more true)

[beldazar]

So the cocaine and amphetamines were totally circumstantial then? :rolleyes:

Exactly! :(

[disorder2k8]

my comment on that site got censored, lol i knew it would and even put it in the message

[octopusrex]

AAAAAHHHHH!!! Tearing my hair out! Smoking pot does not cause lung cancer! I feel like you should know this, octo.

Dude. Smoke causes cancer. Word.

Make brownies.

[gods sun]

i saw gordon ramseys way of dealing with drug problems in his kitchen, i like how he understands that drug use or alcoholism is a big effect to his staff and instead of throwing them out he offers helping hand and gets them back on track which is great and should be supported by all staff and managers of any buisness, i belive its the enslavement system is where people are going wrong but sadly its the only way to awakeness as it is makes a human understand thats the system is a mess.

i blame the system i blame the goverment i blame the people of this world i wana live life but i cant things are weighing me down and it needs to stop we need to be more open and relaxed and im sure people will get things done with out the threatning off lossing jobs and money which i belive shouldnt exist.

[supertzar]

Dude. Smoke causes cancer. Word.

Make brownies.

I'm sure you think that is logical, but it's not a question of logic. Even heavy Cannabis smokers don't get lung cancer any more than anyone else - or any other lung disease.

[disorder2k8]

the Daily Mail editorial process:

"right we need a story.. pick a word from the bin"

'picking'

"right now we need an body part it effects.. what about ear!"

"ok now.. what does it do!?"

"hmmm.. what about seizures?" nah too old fashioned.. how about "gravimetric destabilisation!"

"..great print that!"

EAR PICKING CAUSES GRAVIMETRIC DESTABILISATION
(because we say so)

[adzboarder]

The weed was probably the best thing he could ever put into his system.

This article is SHIT.

[gods sun]

i heard in that if you stop smoking the tar in the lungs bio degrades!! so after a few months of no smoking the tar basically diappears and when you cough its such fine vapour that you probally wont see it leave.

[jimmi]

But if he was training to be a chef then he must have been using knives, and we all know how dangerous they are, they are undeniably more deadly than cannabis and he'd been using them more recently than the pot so by the same reasoning that the coroner used, I'm blaming it on knife culture!

[gods sun]

hey could it be that the heat put him under too much stress at work dont forget if there isnt any adiquate ventelation and dont forget it reached around 35c 80% humidity might be able to sue his work for stress realted insident if his heart was enlarged.

[dancing_with_durga]

Whenever a cannabis kills/maims/turns you gay story comes along (and they do, regularly, almost as if there is a concerted effort at disinformation or something) the consistent factor is the failure to link cause and effect. There is a reason for this, because despite spending billions of dollars over decades to prove some deadly effect, all they've managed to find are a host of beneficial effects. The research shows the herb to be extremely beneficial for a whole host of ailments, but still it is demonised. We are fed lines like 'Cannabis Psychosis' which sounds convincing, until you you look at, for example, the NHS website which clearly states "no-one knows what causes psychosis". Instead of honesty, we get the deliberate confusing of cause and effect with association - he smoked a spliff and went mad, ergo spliff sends you mad.

Having said that, this story, 'he stopped taking cannabis and died several months later' doesn't even attempt to show any association! Extraordinary! Perhaps "Reefer Madness" is going to be re-released and this is part of a viral advertising campaign...

Meanwhile, back (as politicians like to say) in the real world (source) (http://www.pharmweb.net/pwmirror/pwy/paracetamol/pharmwebpicodm.html):

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6017/screenshot01a.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/screenshot01a.jpg/)

Keep on taking the tablets and everything will be fine...
.

[crystal_ascension]

Many sufferers of grand mal seizures report that using marijuana PREVENTS their seizures. The kid obviously had underlying health issues due to his past cocaine and amphetamine use, and the heart attack he suffered a year prior. Pot was probably prolonging his life.

This boy died because society demonizes an effective natural medicine because it threatens their profits and their agenda. If he died from smoking pot, he would be the first ever recorded case. Now considering they couldn't even find traces of marijuana in his body, I fail to see how they could possibly connect marijuana to his death. That's like saying a year ago he drank orange Kool-Aid, so orange Kool-Aid killed him. (Hell, the Kool-Aid is probably WAY more toxic than cannabis!).

My father, who smoked pot heavily in the past, and was also addicted to cocaine, died at 52 of a heart attack. The doctors certainly did not attribute his death to the pot use! This is a sad situation because so many lives could be spared or improved by this wonderful medicine if the elite weren't so threatened by this and other natural (non-patentable) remedies. Greedy bastards! :mad:

[supertzar]

Many sufferers of grand mal seizures report that using marijuana PREVENTS their seizures. The kid obviously had underlying health issues due to his past cocaine and amphetamine use, and the heart attack he suffered a year prior. Pot was probably prolonging his life.

Absolutely. I know someone who has epilepsy and he said the drugs they gave him didn't work. The only thing that worked was smoking bud.

[plattypuss]

tpuc.org: The Marijuana Conspiracy (http://tpuc.org/content/marijuana-conspiracy)

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst’s grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, DuPont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. DuPont’s Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil.Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of DuPont’s business.

Andrew Mellon became Hoover’s Secretary of the Treasury and DuPont’s primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law,Harry J.Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: ‘marijuana’ and pushed it into the consciousness of America.

Henry Ford’s first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the car itself was constructed from hemp! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, ‘grown from the soil,’ had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel. (Popular Mechanics, 1941.)


http://tpuc.org/files/image/hemp-chart(1).gif

It really is time to legalize again. It's very nearly there in California, or at least it was in Jan/Feb this year.

What about the headlines featuring Michael Phelps smoking up. Is that not proof that the drug should not be associated with low lifes and lazy people? Richard Branson is another stoner and we've all seen Arnold blazing in that Pumping Iron. Not to mention the fact that most of the incredible music made in the 60s/70s/80s and even more recently were made by people who got high (think Beatles/Stones/Zepplin/Marley/Dylan/Hendrix etc.)!

I enjoyed Obama's comment when asked if he had inhaled: 'I Inhaled — That Was The Point...'

The Steets say it best in their song The Irony Of It All

[charas]

I'm sure you think that is logical, but it's not a question of logic. Even heavy Cannabis smokers don't get lung cancer any more than anyone else - or any other lung disease.

Yes tis true for a start cannabis opens the alvioli in the lungs allowing more oxygen in and also cleans tobacco tar out better.
Another thing - some of the cannabinoids are found to have ANTI-cancer effects, hence Rick Simpson's story :)

BTW anyone up for a communal bonfire?
No need for wood just bring a stack of daily mails lol