We choose the reality we experience

[seanx]

A world of freedom. Of abundance. Of creativity?

Or a world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination.

Both worlds exist.

Both realities exist. Right now.


But even if 99% of the people are experencing the NWO's
world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination - it doesn't
mean we have to.

Turn to another station - experience the opposite reality
right now - and as you do --soon, more and more will do the same.

it's the best example we can set.

Or.... you can stay struck in the 'reality' created by the Elite and
continue to energize it for them.

This, I believe will be the basis of dave icke new book
( only an hunch, but going from his recent subject matter, a
strong possibility)


A new author Frederick E. Dodson's, explains this idea even better in
his book 'Parallel Universes of Infinite Self'



Like a TV contains all programs, you contain all realities and
merely have to switch the channel to receive something new.

Once you shift identity, everything changes.

Your surroundings may look the same, so you might say, “What do
you mean everything changes? I just shifted my viewpoint and
opened my eyes, and here I am, still at the same place.”

To which I respond, “It may look like the same place, but it is not.”

It’s a parallel world.

You have entered a new timeline, a new dimension.

Your surroundings will start corresponding to that, even if it looks
the same at first.
Your identity will automatically attract other scenarios,
backgrounds, and places. Since the aim is not manifestation
but vibratory alignment or synchronization, the outside
surroundings are irrelevant, anyway, and your question
reveals that you are not properly aligned.


You have a meeting with someone tonight in a restaurant.

You probably have certain expectations about this event running
as thought-flashes through your mind. This single event can take
place in an infinite number of variations, and it actually is taking
place in that many number of variations.

Which of these variations you experience is
up to you.

Grasp the enormity of it.

The evening may end up in a fight, in a deal being struck, in an
embarrassing “we have nothing to say to each other”; in a one-night
stand, in falling in love, in learning something new or in none of
the above.

What baffles me is how conservative and safe most people
keep their events, afterwards labeling them common, normal,
or boring, without realizing that they themselves provided
the mood, the setting, and its outcome.

Understand that the parallel universe offers unlimited
versions of your day.

An event is only unmovable when you yourself are unmovable.
You enter an event with a pre-conceived belief, which acts
as an intention that creates the event.

The event will not change as long as you keep reacting to it
in the same way, often unknowingly intending the same things.
We keep a fixed belief on how things are, without noticing the
pay-off for that belief, and then we keep the event created by
that belief in its place by reacting to it and interacting with it
as if it were real.

We do this on a daily basis. You won’t find a single human being
who does not do this, unwittingly, to a larger or lesser degree.
Even the most enlightened wizards are not entirely free of
presupposing beliefs and their accompanying creations.
Neither is the author of this book. I write a book in the belief
that many people do not know enough about reality creation.
What is the secret pay-off for this belief? It allows me to
appear to know more, make money off the book, and be part
of a knowledgeable elite.

From a higher viewpoint, it’s all hogwash.

All I have to do is change my belief and view other people as
fully knowledgeable and enlightened, multidimensional beings, and
accordingly, I would start meeting all kinds of people just
like me, especially people who don’t need to read my book.

But with that belief, I couldn’t enjoy writing this book and
couldn’t enjoy taking on the version-of-self called “teacher.”

See how farreaching secret pay-offs are?
When you change who you are, everything changes.

No matter how convincing the facts may seem, you can
change anything, anytime. Nothing
is fixed and finished; everything is always in a process of
unfolding and flowing........

[tinmenace]

Excellent.

That's IT...in a nutshell.

Just like David says at the end of this trailer for his DVD Freedom or Fascism (http://www.davidicke.com/dvd/index.html) - "This world is just a reflection of what goes on in here", as he taps his temple.

[auron]

:)

[titurel]

It's a shame that people in Iraq can't change their own reality. In southern Iraq, for example, they have to face the reality of the British and US occupying their streets and imposing their reality on the inhabitants.

[mari]

I 100% agree with this.It started for me 15 years ago when reading Gill Edwards book 'Living Magically', & others.
But I know it will take till the rest of my life before I can say I've fully dropped all the old programming which still exerts quite a pull.

100% responsibility for our lives/way of thinking is a very big truth pill to swallow, & is something that the Illuminati desperately want to keep from us.

[titurel]

I 100% agree with this.It started for me 15 years ago when reading Gill Edwards book 'Living Magically', & others.
But I know it will take till the rest of my life before I can say I've fully dropped all the old programming which still exerts quite a pull.

100% responsibility for our lives/way of thinking is a very big truth pill to swallow, & is something that the Illuminati desperately want to keep from us.
Very true and well said!

[seanx]

In sourtern Iraq, there are many people living MANY different
realities.

You're assigning one reality to all of them.

But most of us, because we are unconscious, we accept and
live out the group or national consciousness.

We accept this consenual reality as our reality, and by default
continue to experience it.

So, in this what you are saying is true.

So most people have no choice in this - until, I suggest they
wake to the idea that everybody's else reality NEED not
be your reality -

Simply disengage from the all the prevailing dominant beliefs,
hold new beliefs and deep feelings about what is possible -
and see what happens. See how reality responds.

Maybe the world is not what we have been conditioned to
believe it was for all these centuries.

Maybe it is a more magical, wonderful place than we dare
believe.

[seanx]

Mari wrote:

I 100% agree with this.It started for me 15 years ago when reading Gill Edwards book 'Living Magically', & others.
But I know it will take till the rest of my life before I can say I've fully dropped all the old programming which still exerts quite a pull.

100% responsibility for our lives/way of thinking is a very big truth pill to swallow, & is something that the Illuminati desperately want to keep from us.

I agree with you absolutely.

It is easy to say - but we have been 'programmed' - 'conditioned'
for so long - generation AFTER generation against this idea -
that we find it almost impossible to believe.

We're told we're powerless - that reality is something separate
and TOTALLY independent from us - that we have NO ROLE in
creating the reality we experience around us.

But the shell is breaking - and bit by bit the programming will fall
away - but the good news is because of our woirk it will be
easier and easier for our children - and their children.

We're the pinoneers of the light of this idea , it seems

[titurel]

In sourtern Iraq, there are many people living MANY different
realities.

You're assigning one reality to all of them.

But most of us, because we are unconscious, we accept and
live out the group or national consciousness.

We accept this consenual reality as our reality, and by default
continue to experience it.

So, in this what you are saying is true.

So most people have no choice in this - until, I suggest they
wake to the idea that everybody's else reality NEED not
be your reality -

Simply disengage from the all the prevailing dominant beliefs,
hold new beliefs and deep feelings about what is possible -
and see what happens. See how reality responds.

Maybe the world is not what we have been conditioned to
believe it was for all these centuries.

Maybe it is a more magical, wonderful place than we dare
believe.
I believe people are waking up and more will, but there is a sizeable masses that do not want to wake up. They know the arguments, some of them, but they don't want to know because of their vested interests.

There will come a time with a shift in global consciousness but not everyone will choose it. Many will try to drag down those who want the light, so we have to be as strong as possible and resiliant, and always work on the wonder and potential of life, which has no boundaries.

[seanx]

There will come a time with a shift in global consciousness but not everyone will choose it.

Yes, but we must allow them that. We must allow people to
choose whatever reality they want.

To-night, there will hundreds of different realites in your
town.

Some people may choose to go to church and pray, others may
chose to drug themselves to another reality, another may choose
the reality of mindless violence and seek people with a similar
vibration to actualize this reality.

Another may choose the reality of blissful peace and mediatate.
Another may choose the reality of a massage parlour and shag
the night away.

Different realities- all co-existing NOW.

What concern is it to us which reality people choose to
experience.

Many will try to drag down those who want the light, so we have to be as strong as possible and resiliant

This is true - but only if you ACCEPT that it is possible for
other people's opinions to affect your reality.

For most of us, what you say is absolutely correct.

We all believe we are affected by other people's
responses so that is the reality WE EXPERIENCE.

And we are.

But- this new idea ( in fact, an ancient idea) suugests that this
need not be the case if we do not hold that belief.

Now, as Mari pointed this is all very EASY to say - but in real life-
completely different story.

I try to apply these ideas to my work - using it as labortorary
to test these ideas in real life.

Now reading a book that tells us there is an abundance of, say
sales is one thing - but opening your mind and really believing
and feeling this deeply when all the evidence ( the results
of all your old beliefs materialized in concrete reality) suggests
otherwise - is a different story.

But that's the beauty of this idea.

IT's testing ground is our daily reality. We can prove it
in our daily lives.

What happens to us SHOWS us what we truely believe
and feeling in the dept of our cells - not what we say or
hope we believe.

Change our belief AT THAT DEEP LEVEL...and changes in our
external reality will automatically happen.

Reality is not what we have been told ( lied ) it is.

[cruise4]

But saying it, knowing it and doing it, is another thing altogether. Who here knows of anyone, anytime, anywhere, that has avoided our 5 sense reality imposed consequences, by this method?

And if 'nobody' or 'very few' how does this help avoiding the NWO Eugenics program?

I'm all ears!

[seanx]

Anybody who starts off with only a few pennies
and achieved, say financial success by changing his or
her belief and feelings patterns has done it.

Anyone who had cured themselves of cancer by
changing their belief and feelings patterns has done it.

let's start small.

And GROW with this idea.

let's start changing our OWN realites, in little things at first
and then moving on.

avoided our 5 sense reality imposed consequences, by this
method

We are not avoiding reality - or PRETENDING NEGATIVE REALITES
DON'T EXIST.

Of course they do.

We are saying there are ALSO, RIGHT NOW - OTHER realities that
- that if we choose to vibrate to their unique frequency - we CAN
experience.

We have choice.

You can live in a war- zone and have one reality.

I can live in the same war zone and experience a
completely different reality.

Think back to the history of world war 1.

All the poor tommies had one reality - yet the posh generals
experienced a completely DIFFERENT reality.

One of great wealth and ease. They were short of nothing.

Becuase they UNCONSCIOUSLY incorporated their classes
inbred DEEP beliefsthat they were superior
and deserved these things.


The law works negatively as well as positively!

Many realities all co-existing.in the same place
at the same time

Which one do we choose to vibrate to?

[cruise4]

Dresden... full of people experiencing different realities, in the way you just defined it, but when the bombs fell, they all died.

I also take your point about 'Lets Grow with it... again, I would love to. But don't believe we have time on our side. These things are coming down soon. We haven't got a lifetime to get our spiritual vibrational energy levels up to speed.

Its either outside intevention, massive group conciousness 'may' affect change, or we fight.

What else is on offer here? Your answer isn't good enough.

[neutron flux]

Let me add something:

Our universe seems to be made up of matter/energy and of consciousness.

Matter/energy by itself "prefers", as it seems, a chaotic state.

Matter/energy by itself doesn't even have a concept of "creation" or "organization". It is the consciousness that brings to life these concepts and by its interaction with matter pushes the universe towards chaos and decay or towards order and creation.

This phenomenon can modeled mathematically and simulated on a computer using EEQT (Event Enhanced Quantum Theory). Whether EEQT faithfully models the interaction of consciousness with matter, we do not know; but chances are that it does because it seems to describe correctly physical phenomena better than just the orthodox quantum mechanics or its rival theories (Bohmian mechanics, etc.)

What we learn from EEQT can be described in simple terms as follows:

Let us call our material universe "the system". The system is characterized by a certain "state". It is useful to represent the state of the system as a point on a disc. The central point of the disk, its origin, is the state of chaos. We could also describe it as "Infinite Potential." The points on the boundary represents "pure states" of being, that is states with "pure, non-fuzzy, knowledge". In between there are mixed states. The closer the state is to the boundary, the more pure, more 'organized' it is.

Now, an external "observer", a "consciousness unit", has some idea - maybe accurate, maybe false or anywhere in between - about the "real state" of the system, and observes the system with this "belief" about the state. Observation, if prolonged, causes the state of the system to "jump". In this sense, you DO "create your own reality", but the devil, as always, is in the details.

The details are that the resulting state of the system under observation can be more pure, or more chaotic depending on the "direction" of the jump. The direction of the jump depends on how objective - how close to the reality of the actual state - the observation is.

According to EEQT if the expectations of the observer are close to the actual state of the system, the system jumps, more often than not, into more organized, less chaotic state.

If, on the other hand, the expectation of the observer is close to the negation of the actual state (that is when the observer's beliefs are not TRUE according to the ACTUAL state - the objective reality), then the state of the system, typically, will jump into a state that is more chaotic, less organized. Moreover, it will take, as a rule, much longer time to accomplish such a jump.

In other words, if the observer's knowledge of the actual state is close to the truth, then the very act of observation and verification causes a jump quickly, and the resulting state is more organized; pure. If the observer's knowledge of the actual state is false, then it takes usually a long time to cause a change in the state of the system, and the resulting state is more chaotic.

What this means is that order can be brought out of chaos by observing chaos as it IS and not pretending that it is otherwise.

In short, everyone who "believes" in an attempt to "create reality" that is different from what IS, adds to the increase of chaos and entropy. If your beliefs are orthogonal to the truth, no matter how strongly you believe them, you are essentially coming into conflict with how the Universe views itself and I can assure you, you ain't gonna win that contest. You are inviting destruction upon yourself and all who engage in this "staring down the universe" exercise with you.

On the other hand, if you are able to view the Universe as it views itself, objectively, without blinking, and with acceptance, you then become more "aligned" with the Creative energy of the universe and your very consciousness becomes a transducer of order energy. Your energy of observation, given unconditionally, can bring order to chaos, can create out of infinite potential.

:)

[fccool]

Anybody who starts off with only a few pennies
and achieved, say financial success by changing his or
her belief and feelings patterns has done it.

Anyone who had cured themselves of cancer by
changing their belief and feelings patterns has done it.

let's start small.

And GROW with this idea.

let's start changing our OWN realites, in little things at first
and then moving on.



We are not avoiding reality - or PRETENDING NEGATIVE REALITES
DON'T EXIST.

Of course they do.

We are saying there are ALSO, RIGHT NOW - OTHER realities that
- that if we choose to vibrate to their unique frequency - we CAN
experience.

We have choice.

You can live in a war- zone and have one reality.

I can live in the same war zone and experience a
completely different reality.

Think back to the history of world war 1.

All the poor tommies had one reality - yet the posh generals
experienced a completely DIFFERENT reality.

One of great wealth and ease. They were short of nothing.

Becuase they UNCONSCIOUSLY incorporated their classes
inbred DEEP beliefsthat they were superior
and deserved these things.


The law works negatively as well as positively!

Many realities all co-existing.in the same place
at the same time

Which one do we choose to vibrate to?

:D

Yes, I think in my reality I can fly if I really wanted to. Really really really wanted to. I think I will really try tomorrow and prove the world that this reality is not real. But can I really? What you are speaking here is nothing magical at all. It's called true freedom, buddy... and not different dimentions of reality. If you really try to do something that is physically possible within your limits... you can do it. It is physically possible for people to bend metal, to multiply large numbers in head, to be successful. It is physically impossible to see future. So the sad reality is, there's little you can do if somebody points a gun at you and clicks the trigger. Healing from cancer is simple in a way of your body was designed to self reconstruct and heal itself. It does so constantly without medical help or drugs. There's no reason to make it anymore "magical" than it is. What you are doing in the above post is to "abstractionizing" (not a word) the truth. Just like in the "Secret" movie. Wanting something really bad does not bring about the positive changes. Desire and ACTION is what brings about change. If you want a bike badly... eventually you will get it. There's nothing magical about it. It's not a result of Universe rearranging around you to get it, but a result of you rearranging the universe to do so. The only different realities that you can percieve right now are the realities of different perspectives... different ways of thinking if you will. Don't confuse those with different channels and dimentions ;). These are still a part of the reality that we exist in. It's just how you perceive this reality... that's what matters.
What movies just like "The Secret" do, is to capitalize on hopes of people... just like those "the power of the positive thinking" gurus. There's nothing wrong with positive thinking... but if you want to change, then you don't need that book/video/audio. Just do it. It's as simple as that. Successful people just do it, in spite of what other's tell them will happen or won't happen. That's called mental freedom. And once again, there's nothing magical about it. We all have tools to be successful.

[cruise4]

neutron flux... that is the one of the best posts I have ever seen. At last I understand what some people are trying to say... thank you!

Had to edit and slightly qualify my statement after some thought:D

[seanx]

neutron flux, you took a lot of time with that post, it is very
interesting.

I don't have time to response now ( dublin pubs call- it's
saturday night here) but I will, because it deserves a
considered and thought-out response.

To fccool, that post is the same rationalist arguments that
people always put up to this new idea.

What you are doing in the above post is to "abstractionizing" (not a word) the truth. Just like in the "Secret" movie. Wanting something really bad does not bring about the positive changes. Desire and ACTION is what brings about change

This, for example is the classic mistake people who talk about concious creation but never practice it make;

You can 'desire' something forever - really want it - and do
everything to get it - but if your belief is- your deep cellullar
knowing is that you can't get it -
or if you believe you don't deserve it - then NO MATTER
what you do or how much you want it - for some
reason it never happens.

What I have learned (and I don't want to turn this thread into
an argument - but just offering personal insights) is that nothing
happens until you aligne your beliefs with your desires.

That is the key: your belief patterns..what you really, really, REALLY
feel will happen is the causative agent.

Like quantum physics - this is crazy wisdom.

None of the rational arguments apply

What movies just like "The Secret" do, is to capitalize on hopes of people... just like those "the power of the positive thinking" gurus

I don't personally like the film or the book the secret - but to say this idea
is 'capitalize on hopes of people' is a cop -out.

An easy way. Now you don't have to consider it.

it challenges all your thinking ..so you belittle it....dismiss it. A fairy-tale nonsense.

I think it deserves more than that.

I think - again only a hunch that it will form the base of dave icke's new book

[barbitone]

This is the best thread ever!:D I wish I could join in but I couldn't be arsed to type that much!:eek:

:)

Sean, you're right on the money my friend. Well done!

[cruise4]

Shame you bothered at all really:D

[ngawaka19]

[QUOTE=seanx;90342]A world of freedom. Of abundance. Of creativity?

Or a world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination.

Both worlds exist.

Both realities exist. Right now. .......




yes yes yes yes yes yes right on seanx

we gotta all get it

all of us weird wonderful bros and sissys

love energy to you seanx
great thread
the only thread
ngawaka19

[intuition]

How can you have 'oneness' when the majority of people have there own idendity? And is it that bad that people have strong egos? People can have strong egos and be good people and fight for good things in this world.And no amount of believing things will be good will stop someone killing you, so if thats the case how have you got any control at all? Unless you stay in the house alone for the rest of your life.And if this does work how come people arent manifesting good things for all the people suffering in africa? Or doesnt that matter? Or does it only work for the middle classes in western society? In fact i wouldnt want to be at 'one' with the rest of the world, especially at the moment.I wouldnt want anyone else tarnishing what i think is wrong and right.I dont buy all this creating reality etc etc- i once listened to a stuart wilde interview and someone asked a question on what thye wanted to create.His reply was " o no you have to be realistic" - lol, what a load of crap! If theres quantum physics at work here why does someone have to be realistic, it either works or it doesnt.Basically learn to love yourself and respect yourself and stand up for what you believe in and your life will take the path its supposed too, thats what i think anyway.

[john white]

How can you have 'oneness' when the majority of people have there own idendity? And is it that bad that people have strong egos? People can have strong egos and be good people and fight for good things in this world.And no amount of believing things will be good will stop someone killing you, so if thats the case how have you got any control at all? Unless you stay in the house alone for the rest of your life.And if this does work how come people arent manifesting good things for all the people suffering in africa? Or doesnt that matter? Or does it only work for the middle classes in western society? In fact i wouldnt want to be at 'one' with the rest of the world, especially at the moment.I wouldnt want anyone else tarnishing what i think is wrong and right.I dont buy all this creating reality etc etc- i once listened to a stuart wilde interview and someone asked a question on what thye wanted to create.His reply was " o no you have to be realistic" - lol, what a load of crap! If theres quantum physics at work here why does someone have to be realistic, it either works or it doesnt.Basically learn to love yourself and respect yourself and stand up for what you believe in and your life will take the path its supposed too, thats what i think anyway.

Its called "Unity through Diversity": We are individual through what we do with the experiance just as we are One in having the experiance. We get there by valuing and protecting each others uniqueness

The alternative is "Conformity through Force", which is the NWO agenda of course. We get there by imposing our pattern on others uniqueness

In a world based on free will, if we do not shape our own futures we allow someone else to shape it for us

[intuition]

The ego is part of a fully healthy and complete mind.To lose the ego is to have a fractured physce, which would leave the person open to manipulation.Alot of people on here are saying one thing and believing the opposite.Without the ego you have no boundaries to set and are an open book to any willing vampires that are in your vacinity.No healthy person with a healthy ego would gladly give this up, its the most precious thing to us as human beings.Maybe some people have this damaged physce from some unresolved trauma which is locked away , limiting there potential to happiness and so the one consciounsce becomes a way of feeling like they can escape the inner prison they are locked into.Ego = individuality, self esteem , and strength of mind.

[kblood]

Seanx, first off: Negatove realities? I think you have misunderstood something about our reality. Then again, many have it seems. Especially among those that come to this forum.

How can a reality be negative? If you believe in this matrix perception of life, then you must believe that everything can be seen as truth or lies and deceptions or hints.

To believe we are being massively decieved makes me giggle a bit inside :p I am a huge fan of "The Matrix" trilogy. The movie rocks and the symbolism and way of thinking behind it has inspired me in many ways.

Maybe try seeing one of the inspirations for "The Matrix". The show called "Ghost in the Shell". Very cool adult cartoon show, with alot of good issues being spotlighted in it. It has a very clear definition of how the system of life is in it. Not that it is the same as our system of life, but it might be close to it. That is why it has become so popular.

[lifeofbrian]

A world of freedom. Of abundance. Of creativity?

Or a world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination.

Both worlds exist.

Both realities exist. Right now.


But even if 99% of the people are experencing the NWO's
world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination - it doesn't
mean we have to.

Turn to another station - experience the opposite reality
right now - and as you do --soon, more and more will do the same.

it's the best example we can set.

Or.... you can stay struck in the 'reality' created by the Elite and
continue to energize it for them.

This, I believe will be the basis of dave icke new book
( only an hunch, but going from his recent subject matter, a
strong possibility)


A new author Frederick E. Dodson's, explains this idea even better in
his book 'Parallel Universes of Infinite Self'



Like a TV contains all programs, you contain all realities and
merely have to switch the channel to receive something new.

Once you shift identity, everything changes.

Your surroundings may look the same, so you might say, “What do
you mean everything changes? I just shifted my viewpoint and
opened my eyes, and here I am, still at the same place.”

To which I respond, “It may look like the same place, but it is not.”

It’s a parallel world.

You have entered a new timeline, a new dimension.

Your surroundings will start corresponding to that, even if it looks
the same at first.
Your identity will automatically attract other scenarios,
backgrounds, and places. Since the aim is not manifestation
but vibratory alignment or synchronization, the outside
surroundings are irrelevant, anyway, and your question
reveals that you are not properly aligned.


You have a meeting with someone tonight in a restaurant.

You probably have certain expectations about this event running
as thought-flashes through your mind. This single event can take
place in an infinite number of variations, and it actually is taking
place in that many number of variations.

Which of these variations you experience is
up to you.

Grasp the enormity of it.

The evening may end up in a fight, in a deal being struck, in an
embarrassing “we have nothing to say to each other”; in a one-night
stand, in falling in love, in learning something new or in none of
the above.

What baffles me is how conservative and safe most people
keep their events, afterwards labeling them common, normal,
or boring, without realizing that they themselves provided
the mood, the setting, and its outcome.

Understand that the parallel universe offers unlimited
versions of your day.

An event is only unmovable when you yourself are unmovable.
You enter an event with a pre-conceived belief, which acts
as an intention that creates the event.

The event will not change as long as you keep reacting to it
in the same way, often unknowingly intending the same things.
We keep a fixed belief on how things are, without noticing the
pay-off for that belief, and then we keep the event created by
that belief in its place by reacting to it and interacting with it
as if it were real.

We do this on a daily basis. You won’t find a single human being
who does not do this, unwittingly, to a larger or lesser degree.
Even the most enlightened wizards are not entirely free of
presupposing beliefs and their accompanying creations.
Neither is the author of this book. I write a book in the belief
that many people do not know enough about reality creation.
What is the secret pay-off for this belief? It allows me to
appear to know more, make money off the book, and be part
of a knowledgeable elite.

From a higher viewpoint, it’s all hogwash.

All I have to do is change my belief and view other people as
fully knowledgeable and enlightened, multidimensional beings, and
accordingly, I would start meeting all kinds of people just
like me, especially people who don’t need to read my book.

But with that belief, I couldn’t enjoy writing this book and
couldn’t enjoy taking on the version-of-self called “teacher.”

See how farreaching secret pay-offs are?
When you change who you are, everything changes.

No matter how convincing the facts may seem, you can
change anything, anytime. Nothing
is fixed and finished; everything is always in a process of
unfolding and flowing........

Nice. I partially agree. We can pick an attitude.

Then there is karma.

I am of the opinion that we are born into circumstances most beneficial for us to learn what we requested and desire in any given lifetime. Enough of those (lifetimes), and enough of the pay back, and a person might reach something resembling balance within.

Thinking will not suffice in my opinion, but living the thoughts will.

Watch your thoughts;
they become words.

Watch your words;
they become action.

Watch your actions;
they become habits.

Watch your habits;
they become character.

Watch your character;
it becomes your destiny.

[seanx]

neutron flux wrote:
In short, everyone who "believes" in an attempt to "create reality" that is different from what IS, adds to the increase of chaos and entropy. If your beliefs are orthogonal to the truth, no matter how strongly you believe them, you are essentially coming into conflict with how the Universe views itself and I can assure you, you ain't gonna win that contest. You are inviting destruction upon yourself and all who engage in this "staring down the universe" exercise with you.

On the other hand, if you are able to view the Universe as it views itself, objectively, without blinking, and with acceptance, you then become more "aligned" with the Creative energy of the universe and your very onsciousness becomes a transducer of order energy. Your energy of observation, given unconditionally, can bring order to chaos, can create out of infinite potential.

Some good points there.

I think we need to clarify the idea - WE create our own reality.

It is not true.

We do not create our reality.

It is our beliefs patterns , our deepest feelings, what we
really think feel in the gut of our stomach, most of which we are
unconscious of THAT creates our reality.


Not a personal I.

That's why carl jung meant when he said: “Until you make the
unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will
call it fate

That's what most of us do.

And we believe it is the normal way of life.

Things happens. Stuff happens. Just fucking accept it.

For centuries, we have been 'told' this.

Things happens to us....IT'S fate.

But all this idea is saying that, over time people have observed
a deep CORRELATION between what they think and feel on
a deep cellular level and what happens to them in 3-D reality.

There is no difference/ separation between the two.

Our external reality is our unconscious beliefs, GOOD OR BAD
materialized.

It is an impersonal process, or law like gravity.

It doesn't affect ultimate reality - or the Space or the Field
of Ultimate AWARENESS that we all live, move anf have our
being in.

it is just a GAME we are creating and playing in this Eternal
Field of Awareness.

how strongly you believe them, you are essentially coming into conflict with how the Universe views itself and I can assure you, you ain't gonna win that contest. You are inviting destruction upon yourself and all who engage in this "staring down the universe" exercise with you.

We are not coming into conflict with the universe, it seems
to me.

I'm reading now about Vianna Stibal, who by changing her
cellular belief patterns instantly cured herself of an
incurable cancer.

She's not 'staring down the universe' but recognizing
the rules of this illusionary 3 -D reality world we have
chosen to play in.

She went deep in to her...through layers and layers of beliefs,
personal, cultural, ancestoral, genetic to her core cellular
knowings about what her body was truely capable of ..and it responded...instantly.

Her level of knowing was so complete.


Now it doesn't happen for everybody.

Most of us can't ' distance' ourselves from our inherited beliefs
in our own innate powerlessness
so everybody will experience a different result that will
corelate to what they believe is possible.

So surely we can't ignore this emerging new 'science'.

The science of how consciousness can start to play the
dominant role in creating what we experience.

Again, it's not a contest AGAINST the universe. You
hold the beliefs patterns, either consciously or UNCONSCIOUSLY
in awareness and the universe 'manifests' them.

It is a process that is happening right now NOW for all of us.

And a process that seems to be ruthlessly impartial and
impersonal.

Look at all the suffering around us.

So, it seems most of us are experiencing this game
it in a 'negative way'

We call it 'fate' ...but, it seems it need not be

.

[sweet cheeks]

A world of freedom. Of abundance. Of creativity?

Or a world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination.

Both worlds exist.

Both realities exist. Right now.


But even if 99% of the people are experencing the NWO's
world of control, scarcity, violence and discrimination - it doesn't
mean we have to.

Turn to another station - experience the opposite reality
right now - and as you do --soon, more and more will do the same.

it's the best example we can set.

Or.... you can stay struck in the 'reality' created by the Elite and
continue to energize it for them.

This, I believe will be the basis of dave icke new book
( only an hunch, but going from his recent subject matter, a
strong possibility)


A new author Frederick E. Dodson's, explains this idea even better in
his book 'Parallel Universes of Infinite Self'



Like a TV contains all programs, you contain all realities and
merely have to switch the channel to receive something new.

Once you shift identity, everything changes.

Your surroundings may look the same, so you might say, “What do
you mean everything changes? I just shifted my viewpoint and
opened my eyes, and here I am, still at the same place.”

To which I respond, “It may look like the same place, but it is not.”

It’s a parallel world.

You have entered a new timeline, a new dimension.

Your surroundings will start corresponding to that, even if it looks
the same at first.
Your identity will automatically attract other scenarios,
backgrounds, and places. Since the aim is not manifestation
but vibratory alignment or synchronization, the outside
surroundings are irrelevant, anyway, and your question
reveals that you are not properly aligned.


You have a meeting with someone tonight in a restaurant.

You probably have certain expectations about this event running
as thought-flashes through your mind. This single event can take
place in an infinite number of variations, and it actually is taking
place in that many number of variations.

Which of these variations you experience is
up to you.

Grasp the enormity of it.

The evening may end up in a fight, in a deal being struck, in an
embarrassing “we have nothing to say to each other”; in a one-night
stand, in falling in love, in learning something new or in none of
the above.

What baffles me is how conservative and safe most people
keep their events, afterwards labeling them common, normal,
or boring, without realizing that they themselves provided
the mood, the setting, and its outcome.

Understand that the parallel universe offers unlimited
versions of your day.

An event is only unmovable when you yourself are unmovable.
You enter an event with a pre-conceived belief, which acts
as an intention that creates the event.

The event will not change as long as you keep reacting to it
in the same way, often unknowingly intending the same things.
We keep a fixed belief on how things are, without noticing the
pay-off for that belief, and then we keep the event created by
that belief in its place by reacting to it and interacting with it
as if it were real.

We do this on a daily basis. You won’t find a single human being
who does not do this, unwittingly, to a larger or lesser degree.
Even the most enlightened wizards are not entirely free of
presupposing beliefs and their accompanying creations.
Neither is the author of this book. I write a book in the belief
that many people do not know enough about reality creation.
What is the secret pay-off for this belief? It allows me to
appear to know more, make money off the book, and be part
of a knowledgeable elite.

From a higher viewpoint, it’s all hogwash.

All I have to do is change my belief and view other people as
fully knowledgeable and enlightened, multidimensional beings, and
accordingly, I would start meeting all kinds of people just
like me, especially people who don’t need to read my book.

But with that belief, I couldn’t enjoy writing this book and
couldn’t enjoy taking on the version-of-self called “teacher.”

See how farreaching secret pay-offs are?
When you change who you are, everything changes.

No matter how convincing the facts may seem, you can
change anything, anytime. Nothing
is fixed and finished; everything is always in a process of
unfolding and flowing........

You must realize that you can only live this type of reality through FREEDOM, now it would be different if you lived in a dictatorship with a jack boot in your face for the offense of "thought crime" - what kind of reality would you "create" of you were born into that reality.....:rolleyes:

[lifeofbrian]

http://www.heartmath.org/research/our-heart-brain.html

[seanx]

You must realize that you can only live this type of reality through FREEDOM, now it would be different if you lived in a dictatorship with a jack boot in your face for the offense of "thought crime" - what kind of reality would you "create" of you were born into that reality.

Are you saying that a woman can't change her beliefs and
heal herself just because she lives under a dictator?

Why are we all worrying about other people's realites?

Their realities are THEIR realities.

You ( your beliefs) can only create YOUR reality.

You can't control another person reality unless they
open to or accept your ideas or beliefs and incorporate
them into their own personal belief patterns.

China is a communist dictatorship now..and yet, right now
there are over 1 billion different realities all
co-existing there this minute?

Some are experiencing realites of great wealth, other great
poverty, others a mixture of both.

There are chinese poets experiencing a reality of quiet
creativity. There are prostitutes experiencing a completely
different reality.....in dim, darkly-lit streets

Right now, there are many Chinese experiencing a reality of
absolute despair and hopelessness, ready to commit suicide.

Right NOW, there are other Chinese walking home from their
first kiss with a woman they have fallen in love with.
They are experiencing a reality of..... boundless ecstacy and
limitless possibilites.

Infinite realites ALL co-existing NOW
in this Eternal Field of unchanging AWARENESS.

We can't assign ONE reality to people. There are as MANY
different realities as they are people to create them.

[sweet cheeks]

You'll get to put your theory to the test when your time of suffering comes....;)

[cruise4]

I had a misconception that had me confused. Nothing new there then:)

Its this 100 Monkey Syndrome.

I thought it was something to do with 1 tells 3 tells 9 tells 27 sort of idea... but its not, is it?

It means when a certain proportion of people within a species learn something new, the rest can do it without being told, according to and the truth shall set you free

I guess this doesn't actually mean learn some new knowledge... rather learn some new skill. Otherwise we'd all be Muslims wouldn't we.

So are you suggesting seanx that this is the rationale behind your statements to defeat the NWO? I couldn't see how your ideas helped us, I did agree with what you said. But is this your reasoning. That this can enable us to win?

In which case what will we have to learn. To 'make' our own new reality? Or are you proposing the nearer we get to 2012 the more a conciousness shift will happen regardless of trying?

Or something else?

[seanx]

Ms Moon wrote this on another thread.

But it's great.

I suppose this either resonates with you ( you'll think, yep, that's really
right) or you'll think it's utter crap.

But what if it is true? Does it bring back memories?

As Human Beings we have designed ourselves to face challenges, we are creating our own reality moment by moment. If this doesn't resonate with you deep down then that is ok- leave it. But we are the Total Creators of our ENTIRE Universe.

We are sub-consciously (some consciously) creating our Reality, together and individually in order to Evolve and experience new levels of Consciousness. We have been doing it since birth.

There are people out there, particularly Ancient blood-lines and Civilisations, who are aware of Conscious Creation. This is the big Illuminati Secret as i'm sure most of you are aware.

However this is also part of who we are- we have created and are creating these scenarios in order to Evolve into what we have been heading towards since the Dawn of Time.

We are all the same, we are all Pure Love Energy in various different forms of experience.

Even this which I am writing is a creation of us all in order to learn once again who we are and why we are here.

Here's a scenario to chew on:

We begin as a Light Being, completely and totally aware of ourselves and our place in the Universe. We can create ANYTHING at will, manifest ANYTHING we desire to any extent. Perform miracles, experience total bliss all the time and feel constant Love for everything. We've existed for AGES since Infinity... this is a long time to exist! Through this existence we decided that we would like to experience being a Human Being (or a Plant or a Fish or whatever...) and so we began our journey on Earth. But the 'Game' so to speak was that on your first birth as a Human, your knowledge of being Pure Consciousness and connected to the source must be dissolved- a 'condition'. Developing throughout the ages, passing from Human to Human with every birth, your knowledge and experience of Pure Consciousness is gradually returned in order to experience different feelings, emotions, events etc... throughout time. The Mind is developed in order to be 'undeveloped' as a result of the return of your Consciousness- this is the only way to learn about how the Mind works and what it does.

It's a Reality completely created by Us, for Us, to understand how the Mind works and why it does the things that it does. It's also a simultaneous journey of remembering who we are and what we are doing here.

It's one hell of an Adventure and we're all travelling in exactly the right way we are intending to travel, consciously or not, without any imperfections.

Love to you ALL!!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Jay
xxx

[seanx]

You'll get to put your theory to the test when your time of suffering comes

sO we should stop all research into this idea or 'theory' just
because it goes 100% against the accepted beliefs of
modern medicine.

Some brave people are investigating this theory -people like
Vianna Stibal, who had cancer herself but who by changing
her cellular belief patterns managed to overcome it.

Sure, we know every little about this concept of conscious
reality creation works - but we have to make a start
somewhere.

Isn't this good news?

isn't it worth investigating?

Doesn't it at least SUGGEST that man may be MUCH MORE than
merely a mindless, meaningless 'machine', a view of us that is
continually IMPRINTED into us from the media, science and
the educational system.

Yet, if you even suggest this possibility, the establishments
mentioned above come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Your Question:Is it easy to create perfect health when
you have cancer?

No-one is saying that.

We now know the theory - but putting it
into practice when the evidence all around you is screaming
otherwise is of course a different matter.

I accept that.

'Wanting' to cure your cancer and getting to a stage where
you really KNOW ( a very real conscious state) it is possible
for you - or that you can NOW access
such a reality is a huge field that need to be explored and
researched.

But many have done it - so we know it is a 'possibility'.

But how can we make it a conscious and viable option for more people.

And if a critical mass did it, regurarly - what would be the
overall effect on the collective consciousness- the 100 Monkey
Syndrome that cruise4 was talking about.

[kblood]

Look at all the suffering around us.

So, it seems most of us are experiencing this game
it in a 'negative way'

We call it 'fate' ...but, it seems it need not be

.

True. If we didnt find anything negative in life, then what would be here to keep us going? What would happen if we were all immortal with millenia of lifespan? Who of us would want to experience this life through the eyes of just one body, with all the memories of this one lifetime?

I try to look at the bright side of it all. Despite all the suffering in our world, there are so many beatiful miracles each day. True joy only comes when you bask in your human life of flaws and errors, but dont care about the bad things. When you see the beauty of all the cycles of life. How we all get to be larger beings inside, more in touch with our spirit. All this turns into much joy when you go out and face life, and make something out of it.

For me I find it hard to just live a life full of joy. My thirst for knowledge makes me stay in my mind, instead of living life as much as I could. Of course, new knowledge is also a good way of getting joy, but who are the ones who seem to enjoy life the most? Not the one with the highest IQ in my experience.

I really envy the innocence of stupidity. The joys that it seems to bring to others so easily. Still, I have my moments of bliss as well :) My worst fear is that I dont allow myself to love others fully, or have the time to dig into their soul, and see all the beautifull beings we have all around us.

Great post from that Jay person as well btw :) Thanx for linking Seanc.

[seanx]

I understand the resistance - and even hate a lot
of people have for this concept that you can
consciously change your reality if you can change your beliefs
sufficiently at a DNA level.

My own aunt fucking hated people talking about all this, what
she called 'positve thinking shit'.

She was dying from cancer, only 35 with four young children.

Many months later, I found a book at the end of her locker -
ll about this very subject.


Her hate was understandable. It was born of sheer frustration
and pain. Wanting to get better for all her young kids - and not
not been able.

Just not fully been able to understand the concept
of this mind-body healing modality. She had come to it too late
maybe

She died over 12 years ago - now.

However, her daughter is now studying nutrition in university
here in in Ireland and she has a great interest in this field of how
beliefs can affect and even cure diseases.

[oceanwave]

Its called "Unity through Diversity": We are individual through what we do with the experiance just as we are One in having the experiance. We get there by valuing and protecting each others uniqueness

The alternative is "Conformity through Force", which is the NWO agenda of course. We get there by imposing our pattern on others uniqueness

In a world based on free will, if we do not shape our own futures we allow someone else to shape it for us

i misread conformity with comfortability then

[cruise4]

I really envy the innocence of stupidity:D

[seanx]

cruise4 wrote:

I really envy the innocence of stupidity

Well, here'a an extract from a book, The healing experiment by
Professor Gary E. Schwartz, Ph.D

Mr. Gary E. Schwartz, Ph.D., is a professor of psychology, medicine, neurology, psychiatry, and surgery at the University of Arizona and director of its Laboratory for Advances in Consciousness and...

Not exactly stupid...I'd say!

And he's actually thinks there's 'something' in conscious reality concept


Here's what he says:

My Eyes Are Opened

Would you believe that a healer removed the pain of a broken
wrist and bone in fifteen minutes?

Would you believe that another healer removed an ovarian
tumor in a matter of weeks?

Would you believe that a third healer regenerated the nerves
of a broken spine in a few months, remotely, on a person
thousands of miles away?

As thoroughly unlikely as these examples may sound, I have
personally witnessed such healings at first hand.

They seem like miracles -- yet they really did happen.

The question is, how?

The answer to this question involves a new understanding
of energy and consciousness.

I'm a Harvard PhD, a former Yale professor of psychology and
psychiatry and director of the Yale Psychophysiology Center.
I'm currently a professor of psychology, surgery, medicine,
neurology, and psychiatry at the University of Arizona. I was
awarded one of two NIH grants to establish a Center for Frontier
Medicine in Biofield Science.

Though I was originally taught that
such healing miracles do not and can not happen, the fact is
that they do. Science can now help us to understand and
celebrate them.

Pain That Disappears

The first energy healing I ever experienced was completely
unexpected. In the summer of 1994, I was visiting a colleague
on the East Coast, a psychotherapist I will call Suzanne.

Her father had been a distinguished physician and scientist who,
though conventionally trained, was open to alternative therapies.
After his death, Suzanne developed an interest in energy healing
and was taking advanced courses in what's called healing touch.

While I was visiting with her, Suzanne received an emergency
phone call from one of her counseling patients. In tears, the
patient explained that her husband had been repairing the roof
and had fallen off. He was rushed to the hospital in extreme
pain. The lady pleaded with Suzanne to meet her at the emergency
room and help her cope with this stress. Suzanne agreed to go,
and I went as well.

We found her husband, Robert, apparently in excruciating pain,
with his right wrist bent at an unlikely angle. I stepped out of
the room so Suzanne could attempt healing. Curious about the
process, I snuck a quick peek over her shoulder before I left.
I saw Robert lying with his eyes closed while Suzanne waved
her hands a few inches above his arm and wrist. I realized
she was being circumspect: the hospital staff would not have
been pleased about these goings-on, which they probably
would have thought closely akin to voodoo.

After about fifteen minutes, Suzanne asked us to return. We
found Robert with his eyes wide open and smiling like a surprised
Cheshire cat. He said he had no idea what had just transpired,
but to his amazement the severe pain in his wrist and arm was
virtually gone. And no, he had not been given any pain medications.

He still couldn't move his limb, and X-rays would confirm he
had a fractured wrist. Nonetheless, he was unexpectedly
pain free and greatly relieved. So was his wife.

As for me, I was frankly in shock. If this was a placebo
response -- if Robert had believed Suzanne could relieve his pain,
and his belief had tricked his body into making the pain disappear
-- then it was certainly a dramatic example.

Could the elimination of Robert's pain be explained solely as
the power of his mind over his body?

Or had something more occurred, something to do with healing
that Suzanne had induced? Had I witnessed my first energy healing?

A Tumor Vanishes

Several years ago, a New Yorker I'll call Jane was diagnosed using
ultrasound as having a large tumor on her right ovary. Refusing
an immediate biopsy, she announced that she wanted to take
a month to try alternative healing techniques.

She focused on two modalities -- herbs, prescribed by a psychiatrist,
and energy healing, to be performed by her husband, Mark, who
happened to be a psychologist as well as a budding healer. He
used the technique called Reiki, a form of energy healing that
originated in Japan and has become popular in the United States
and worldwide. Mark took a week off before the second ultrasound
and spent four hours a day sending his wife loving energy. At times
she would work at her computer and he would sit in a chair in the
corner sending Reiki energy across the room. They focused on
success, but what happened was not at all what they could
have expected.

When the doctor repeated the ultrasound, he was astonished to
find that the tumor had vanished. It had quite literally disappeared.
I was shown the initial and follow-up ultrasound pictures, so was
able to confirm the report for myself: a large tumor in the initial
pictures, a complete absence of any tumor in the follow-up.
The radiologist who took the pictures said he was completely
baffled -- he had never witnessed such a thing before.

In rare cases, tumors have been known to disappear by
spontaneous remission. Perhaps that's what happened here.
Or did it happen primarily through the combination of herbs
and Mark's loving attention? Did his intentions and energies
play a significant if not synergistic role as well?

The aftermath was less happy. After Jane and Mark divorced a
few years later, she again developed tumors. This time she
chose to have them surgically removed.

Help for a Permanently Disabled Man

A friend of mine in California, whom I will call Michael, asked me
if I knew someone who could do a long-distance medical intuition
diagnosis for his friend James. Medical intuition is a controversial
process in which psychics -- also known as intuitives -- claim
to receive information about a person's medical problems that
includes energetic, emotional, and spiritual components. These
diagnoses are often made longdistance, without the diagnostician
ever meeting the patient.

James had been injured in an accident that left him paralyzed from
the neck down. His neurologists came to the conclusion that his
condition was incurable. Patients with this kind of injury frequently
die within three years. Michael said that James was not receiving
physical therapy. Since his case was hopeless, there seemed to
be no point in any treatment.

I told Michael about an Arizona medical intuitive and energy healer,
Lynn, who had made some surprisingly accurate long-distance
diagnoses in my presence, and I gave him her phone number.
Since conventional medicine had failed to help, there was nothing
to lose in giving alternative medicine a try.

Lynn not only provided an accurate medical diagnosis but accepted
James as a patient, holding more than sixty therapy sessions with
him over the ensuing eight months. All of the sessions were conducted longdistance, most over the telephone, along with a few via meditation.

Despite the predictions of conventional medicine, James began to
regain much of his functioning. He regained use of his abdominal
muscles and regained bladder control. He developed sensation in
his legs, and then was able to move his legs and toes to the point
where it was possible for him to start physical therapy. He even r
egained the ability to have sex. His doctors in San Diego were
baffled because his MRIs indicated that his nerves were clearly
regenerating, something they had never seen before.

Just a miracle? Or was there something more going on here? Was
Lynn's long-distance spiritual energy healing actually responsible?

Any reputable scientist will tell you that a story of an individual,
isolated experience -- referred to as "anecdotal evidence" -- is
invalid, essentially meaningless. However, a collection of
independently observed experiences begins to suggest that
something real is going on and deserves scientific examination.

Exploring Energy Healing

What you are about to read will probably stretch your mind as it
tugs at your heart.

You will accompany me in the laboratory and
clinic as I gather evidence, slowly but surely, that energy healing
is real and can play a vital role in human existence, offering the
tantalizing potential of improving the quality of life for every one
of us.

You will experience the challenges I faced as a scientist as
I struggled to make sense of findings I was not prepared to discover.
The evidence typically took me beyond my personal comfort level.

Medicine and science are in the throes of a dramatic evolution --
which some might call a revolution.

We live in a time of a profound change in thinking that is absolutely fundamental.

The messages of contemporary physics tell us that our
everyday sensory experience of the world is extremely limited,
and that reality is far more interesting and mysterious than most of
us are yet aware of.


Since research has solidly established that we can use our minds to
help heal ourselves, and the physical body is actually a dynamic
organization of energy and fields, it therefore follows that we are
all potential energy healers as well.


Copyright © 2007 by Gary E. Schwartz, Ph.D

[albie]

Surely this is just view point. Positive thinking. An illusion created by self suggestion.

Sure if you set your mind on something it will be more likely to come true.

But not by magic. subconsciously you'll be making it happen.

(just to put a dampener on things. Must serve my Salamander overlords)

[seanx]

Yes, I don't regard it as magic.

I think people see it as magic because as yet we don't know how it
works.

How does a belief -a seemingly nebulous concept held in
consciousness change the reality we experience?

But more and more evidence is showing it does.

And that's exciting.

It shows the world is not as 'fixed' or 'unchangeable' as we were
lead to believe??

As Gary E. Schwartz, says, 'reality is far more interesting and
mysterious than most of us are yet aware of'.

[kblood]

Yes, I don't regard it as magic.

I think people see it as magic because as yet we don't know how it
works.

How does a belief -a seemingly nebulous concept held in
consciousness change the reality we experience?

But more and more evidence is showing it does.

And that's exciting.

It shows the world is not as 'fixed' or 'unchangeable' as we were
lead to believe??

As Gary E. Schwartz, says, 'reality is far more interesting and
mysterious than most of us are yet aware of'.

I dont think of it as magic either. The word magic is actually just a word for what magicians do when they create illusions for their audience. I refer to it as magic anyway though. Real magic is alot like doing illusions as well though, just you have to believe it yourself as well, and be in contact with the energies of the world.