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positive terror

04-08-2007, 02:20 AM

How many 'Sons' does God have?

Many people tell us "but the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the Son of God. How can you say that Jesus is not God's only begotten son when Jesus says it so clearly in black and white in the Bible?" Well, first of all, as seen in the previous section, we first need to know the language of his people, the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking. Let us see how they understood this proclamation.

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has?

Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.
Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.
Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).
Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.
Common people (you and me) are the sons of God:
"Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1.
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" John 1:12.
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15.
"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2.
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1.
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6.
"when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4.
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2
As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.

Well then, was Jesus the only begotten son of God?

Read Psalms 2:7 : "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee"

Indeed, the Jews are even referred to as much more than this in the Bible, and this is indeed the very trait which Jesus (pbuh) held against them. When the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus (pbuh) he defended himself with the following words

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, 'I said, Ye are gods?' If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken..." John 10:34:

(he was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High..") As we can see from these and many other verses like them, "son of God" in the language of the Jews was a very innocent term used to describe a loyal servant of God. Whether the translators and editors chose to write it as "Son of God" (with a capital S) in reference to Jesus and "son of God" (with a small S) in reference to everyone else does not diminish the fact that in the original language, both cases are exactly the same. Are we beginning to see what drove the most learned men of the Anglican Church to recognize the truth? But let us move on.

Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading "Jesus Christ," says:

"During his earthly life Jesus was addressed as rabbi and was regarded as a prophet. Some of his words, too, place him in the category of sage. A title of respect for a rabbi would be "my Lord." Already before Easter his followers, impressed by his authority, would mean something more than usual when they addressed him as "my Lord.".... it is unlikely that the title "Son of David" was ascribed to him or accepted by him during his earthly ministry. "Son of God," in former times a title of the Hebrew kings (Psalms 2:7), was first adopted in the post-Easter church as an equivalent of Messiah and had no metaphysical connotations (Romans 1:4). Jesus was conscious of a unique filial relationship with God, but it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself" .

There seems to be only two places in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) refers to himself as "son of God." They are in John chapters 5 and 11. Hastings in "The dictionary of the Bible" says: "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful." Regardless, we have already seen what is meant by this innocent title. However, Jesus is referred to as the "son of Man" (literally: "Human being") 81 times in the books of the Bible. In the Gospel of Barnabas, we are told that Jesus (pbuh) knew that mankind would make him a god after his departure and severely cautioned his followers from having anything to do with such people.

Jesus was not the son of a human man (according to both the Bible and the Qur'an). However, we find him constantly saying "I am the son of man." Why?. It was because in the language of the Jews, that is how you say "I am a human being."

What was he trying to tell us by constantly repeating and emphasizing to us throughout the New Testament "I am a human being," "I am a human being," "I am a human being"?. What had he foreseen? Think about it!.

Do Christians emphasize this aspect of Jesus? The New Testament Greek word translated as "son" are "pias" and "paida" which mean "servant," or "son in the sense of servant." These are translated to "son" in reference to Jesus and "servant" in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible (see below). As we are beginning to see, one of the most fundamental reasons why Jesus (pbuh) is considered God is due to extensive mistranslation. We shall see more and more examples of this throughout this book.

Islam teaches that Jesus (pbuh) was a human being, not a God. Jesus (peace be upon him) continually emphasized this to his followers throughout his mission. The Gospel of Barnabas also affirms this fact. Once again, Grolier's encyclopedia says:

"...Most problematical of all is the title "Son of Man." This is the only title used repeatedly by Jesus as a self-designation, and there is no clear evidence that it was used as a title of majesty by the post-Easter church. Hence it is held by many to be authentic, since it passes the criterion of dissimilarity."

Written by : Misha'al ibn Abdullah, 'What Did Jesus Really Say?'

titurel

04-08-2007, 02:58 AM

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has?
Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.
Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.
Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).
Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.
Common people (you and me) are the sons of God:
"Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1.
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" John 1:12.
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15.
"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2.
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1.
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6.
"when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4.
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2
As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.
In the NT, where the term "Son of God" is used, referring to Christ, "Son" is specifically spelled with a capital letter. All others are refered to as the son or sons of God.

positive terror

04-08-2007, 03:05 AM

The Reality of Jesus, peace be upon him

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim.

We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context:

1. God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not

When speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the Day of Judgement would be, is clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not God.

2. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not

While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19). Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30) But God is not only All-Powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.

3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God

God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was One whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17). He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?". Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's Prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt. 26:36). Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.

According to the Bible, God is an invisible spirit....

4. But Jesus Was Flesh And Blood

While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18). "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24: "God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.

NO ONE IS GREATER THAN GOD AND NO ONE CAN DIRECT HIM...
BUT JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED
SOMEONE GREATER THAN HIMSELF WHOSE...

5. Will Was Distinct From His Own

Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done" and in John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.

Conclusion
The Church recognises the Bible as the primary source of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise?
The belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.

If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.

What Is The Word Of God About Jesus:
A. Regarding The Sonship Of Jesus:

“Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is.”
Chapter 19, Verses 34-35

“They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At if the skies are ready to burst the earth to split asunder and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant.”
Chapter 19, Verses 88-93

“This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust then said to him: "Be" and he was.”
Chapter 3, Verse 59

“O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.”
Chapter 4, Verse 171

B. Regarding Jesus Being God:

“And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say to wit `Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things.” Chapter 5, Verses 116-117

C. Regarding Crucifixion Of Jesus
“That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge. That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them.”
Chapter 4, Verses 156-159

All Quranic quotations have been taken from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation of “The Meaning of the Holy Qur’an”, published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, USA, 1993

All Biblical quotations have been taken from The Holy Bible (Authorised King James Version), Riverside Book & Bible House, Iowa Falls, IA50126, published by World Bible Publishers, Inc.

Courtesy of www.beconvinced.com

titurel

04-08-2007, 03:10 AM

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim.Good point. I am not convinced that Bible says that Jesus is God either. I often feel that a mountain is made out of a mole hill, when it comes to understanding the subject. God and Jesus are not literally one and the same person, but rather, they act in total harmony, and it's in that sense they are one. On a lesser scale, when a family acts harmoniously, it can also be said to be one, or acting as one unit.

edit

04-08-2007, 03:14 AM

How many 'Sons' does God have?
66 006
or
30 000 on the left hand
30 000 on the right hand
and 6 ( 3+3) on the middle rope
about like that, or so..
i think
:blink:

positive terror

04-08-2007, 03:16 AM

Good point. I am not convinced that Bible says that Jesus is God either. I often feel that a mountain is made out of a mole hill, when it comes to understanding the subject. God and Jesus are not literally one and the same person, but rather, they act in total harmony, and it's in that sense they are one. On a lesser scale, when a family acts harmoniously, it can also be said to be one, or acting as one unit.

Thanks, I understand your point too, here are more prouves.

How did Jesus' people know him?
Misha'al Ibn Abdullah

So if the followers of Jesus (pbuh) considered God to be their "Father," then how did they regard Jesus? To answer this let us read together:

"And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet." - Matthew 14:5 (compare with Matthew 21:26)

"And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee." - Matthew 21:11

"But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet." - Matthew 21:46

"And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:" - Luke 24:19

"The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet." - John 4:19

"Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world." - John 6:14

"Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet." - John 7:40

Indeed, how did Jesus himself describe himself? Let us read:

"Nevertheless I (Jesus) must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem." - Luke 13:33

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.- Matthew 13:57

This is once again confirmed in the noble Qur'an:

"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Verily! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was [revealed] before me in the Torah"- The noble Qur'an, Al-Saf(61):6

From: What Did Jesus Really Say By Misha'al Ibn Abdullah

titurel

04-08-2007, 03:18 AM

Christ said that he was the unique Son of God, in the sense that he is the Son who is, like God, the Alpha and the Omega. We are not the Alpha and Omega because unlike Christ, we were created.

snoopsnuffleopagus

04-08-2007, 12:02 PM

Greetings & Salutations 2 All!

The intent of my intrusion into this Thread is to shed some light on a most important subject.

Overall, there is indicated a robust I.Q. amongst the Posters on this Board,
so I will crawl out on this skinny limb and impart my 2 cents.

God>El-mighty one God is a generic title of an office,position. Error creeps in when applying this Title to the Creator Being of The Book of Yahweh(Bible)

Yahweh is not a god(source: J-Text)
The office of god was created by no less than satan, who is god #1.
gods>Elohim(plural)

jesus is an empty name, a corruption of translaters: jesus>iesus>joshua>Yahshua(Yahweh is salvation)

Names and meanings are important!

Your query should read: How many sons does Yahweh have?

Answer: Many, probably in the millions.

Recall: before the creation of human beings Yahweh created the Malakim)plural for Malak
Malak>messenger
These Malakim are both Male and Female(satan was a Malak)
It is amongst these Malaks Yahweh has many sons.

Yahshua was unique in that he was born of a mortal human. The only Son begotten in the Flesh who was subject to all the temptations we are subject to.

Yahshua is not a god, nor did he exist prior to His Birth through Miriam.

Alpha & Omega, no! Aleph(unity) & Tau(perfection)
The Hebrew language is the Alephbet, not the Alphabet

It is the corrupted translations( the lying pens of the scribes) that cause
confusion and contradictions.
This is the Time when Yahwehs Name will become great amongst the Gentiles

titurel

04-08-2007, 12:12 PM

synergy777

04-08-2007, 05:16 PM

synergy777

04-08-2007, 05:18 PM

snoop, keep it going bro, its nice have you onboard bro, one love.

titurel

04-08-2007, 05:20 PM

yashuah said he was the son of god, as he was. he never said he was the only one did he? he said we are children of the creator, so that means everyone is son/daughter of god. when you recognise this, you reconnect with the energy/soul and start to fulfill your potential. it doesn't mean get all messianic, meglomanic, but it unites you with everyone and everything/nature etc. he spoke so simply and yet people still can't see, why, whose stopping you? it couldn't elite edited doctrines could it?, lol
Christ did indicate that he was the only Christ and when ever Son of God is referrenced to Christ in the Bible, 'son' is spelled with a capital 's', to allow the original Greek translation wo come through, indicating that Christ is the Alpha and Omega, as he himself said. We humans are not imortal in the sense that Christ is. We were created, although we can still be sons of god if we sincerely choose to be.

synergy777

04-08-2007, 05:33 PM

believe in the books from the peeps who changed his colour, name, message and declare their leader the pope as god on earth, please. if that guy the pope is god on earth, then i 'm pele. if god treats people differently then he can't be equitable/egalitarian, can he, god then discriminates. yashuah realised that we are all sons/daughters, that why he was a threat, he took away the dogma, power of the elite/clergy, how could anyone treat other people wrong, if they were children of the creator, you couldn't. how could anyone treat animals, nature, people wrong, when you realise all these are of the creator, you have to be evil to hurt the creator.

they hated his message because they wanted their chosen/kings as living gods/divine right of kings, blueblood/elitest crap to live on. there are those who are slaves there are those who children of the creator, you choose your bondage, you choose your slavery to evil doctrine.

positive terror

04-08-2007, 05:43 PM

synergy777

04-08-2007, 05:46 PM

cheers bro, at the end of the day, can you trust the people that killed him? so why believe what they say,after they killed him, they then wrote his book.

positive terror

04-08-2007, 06:04 PM

It is also said that at the beginning all the Christian trated Jesus like a prophet, but after his death the ignorants began to diffuse that Jesus was the god son, then those that wrote the Bible added in the book that Jesus was god son so that people didn't stop to be Christian and following their own way.....that was not the message of Jesus at all.

snoopsnuffleopagus

04-08-2007, 06:14 PM

Ladies & Gentlemen!

If I may, the most important value of an integer, most people omit from their Algebraic Equation, is, for most of us, the Fact we are utilising a small percentage of our potential mental capacities.

Example #1. The rampant emotional retardation evidenced in most adult human behaviour, especially in the so called 'civilised" world.
The human brain/mind is enormously robust, capable of wonders yet to be percieved. Consider Yahshua Messiah as an example of a human being with 100% brain/mind utilisation.

It is due to our lack of good character and emotional retardation, Yahweh is deliberately governing our percentage of utilisation of our Brain/Mental capacity.

Why? Cause any fool would than have the ability to destoy all life with material he had under the kitchen sink.This would be contrary to Yahwehs Plan.

This is why we are called children,we are not fully developed at this time.
Yahshua Messiah is a paradigm of a Human fully developed.
A Velvet Glove over an Iron Fist, just like His Father Yahweh.

Positive Commandment #1: Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe (Exodus 20:2)

synergy777

04-08-2007, 06:15 PM

they infused yashuah with mithrasism.the persian religion of mithras was rome religion prior to catholic christianity. also what did nero do to the christians, he killed/persecuted them after burning rome and blaming it on them, just like bush did after 911 do the muslims. look at council of nicea 323, 325 ad. look emperor constantine, cesare borgia, the renaissance. the bible was created due to them needing a book, to use a religion for the massive empire, rome is the key, its the start of europes power, and is still the heart of europes power. see teh english bible is from editing, ommittying of books like enoch, translations from latin(greek/italian) who copied it from jewish texts in arahamic, so its not really accurate as the kjv freaks ( kjv = divine right of kings, francis bacon) say it is.

snoopsnuffleopagus

04-08-2007, 06:33 PM

Peace & Greetings Syn!

Until Humankind develops its character to a much loftier level, the brain/mental utilisation restraint will remain in effect. The Promised Land is
Good Character coupled with 100% Brain/Mental Utilisation(B/M U)

We must be able to be trusted by Yahweh not to bring harm to ourselves or any other person or Being or the environment.Then, and only then, will one recieve 100% B/M U. We all have a long way to go.

Faut souffrir pour etre belle.

positive terror

05-08-2007, 12:07 AM

Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe

“First of all, we should firmly believe that there is no god but the One and the Sole God, Allah. He is absolutely Omniscient. He is the Creator of every thing and has sovereignty over everything. He isn’t restricted to time and space and nothing He created is similar to Him. He is One and Only. This is how the Muslims believe in Allah, but some people tend to shape God as they think about Him. The Prophets of Allah came to correct the human perception of the concept of God.

“God” is the basic of all religions, and how to describe “God” is a matter of differences and disputes among some people.

As to the Israeli conception of Yahweh, we see that they localized and nationalized “God” in a way that makes Him specific for them in order to lead them in war against enemies and to grant them privilege over others. However, we should say here that some liberal Jewish schools argue against the exclusiveness of the godhood and of the Israeli race saying that Yahweh or God in Judaism is the same God in which Muslims or Christians believe.

It goes without saying that any reader of the Old Testament will find many unfitting descriptions given to God.”

It becomes crystal clear that a Muslim has to stick to the true belief of his religion and steer clear of any doubt that may tarnish his Islamic monotheism. It’s clear that Muslims believe in the same God as the God of Noah, the God of Moses, the God of Abraham and the God of Jesus, peace and blessings be upon them all, as well as all other prophets sent to guide the mankind. The Seal of all Prophets, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, came to clean away all false associations filing people’s mind about God, and he established the pure religion of monotheism. So Islam asserts that “there is no god except Allah¨.

snoopsnuffleopagus

05-08-2007, 12:43 AM

Peace & Greetings Positive Terror!

First and foremost I would like to address the point of using the Title of 'god' as appropriate to the Super-Being known as Yahweh.

Point #1:Use of this Title of Office(god) is unsupported by evidence in the J(ah) Text(zondervane publishing). Oldest known Text of the Pentateuch, first five books of the old testament.

His name Yahweh is represented by four calligraphic glyphs known as the Tetra-Grammaton. This derived from the Northern Caananite Tri-Grammaton.

Reason: Grammatical Possession change eg.(Tri-Grammaton) HE is what causes all to come into Creation to (Tetra-Grammaton) I am the cause of all that is Created.

The Hebrew Alephbet consists of only consonents, scribes adding tiny marks known as Dia-Critical Vowel changed Yahwehs name by adding vowel marks for El, Baal,Adonai and so forth. This is unsupported by the actual text. Result of Mistranslations, Yahwehs Name is removed over 5,000 times.

Who on this Board would desire to have their Life-Song altere and put under the wrong name and Title of Office.

As in the case of usage of the word God,you have provided the Name of the God you reference and Rever, many others do not.
Consider this: In the Book of Yechetzqyah> May Yahweh Stengthen(ezekiyl)
Prophecies(verses 40-48)that the Third Temple will be built upon the Temple Mount, next to the Dome of the Rock.

The Outer Courtyard shall be omitted due to space restraints with a small privacy wall between them.

The near future should provide some revealing evidence of the 'Shape of Things to Come"

positive terror

05-08-2007, 12:54 AM

Interesting information snoopsnuffleopagus, thanks a lot!

titurel

05-08-2007, 12:56 PM

singularities

12-08-2007, 04:53 PM

Well if the Bible says there will be a return of the Messiah and so many people obviously believe what they read ........ then there must be a reason.

If people aren't going to go out into the world to find out the answers to their questions for themselves, instead of believing everything they're told, then they can wait for the Messiah to arrive and they can ask him then.
No doubt he has all the answers.
Simple.
:cool:

abram730

22-08-2007, 10:42 PM

There are many sons of of God but only one Son of God, IMO.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" - Isaiah 5:20

Gods son is not human but can choose a person can give themselves to the son at their choosing and be transformed... It's a learning process.

God made the seed and that is the cell... the cells group apart yet built us in the way we make cars. yet they built us from them... so often when they speak from us... we think that the words are for us... the words are for them.. They are in the back of your mind and in your gut and muscles.

"you body is a temple for the son"

Some seem to snap as they learn.. the learning is going on now... but to what end?

I tell you that that school shooter was told he could run... Yet cho was correct about the death by fire in the middle ages. another son was to be... the anger is still in the back of an atheists mind.. things like that have lasting results.. look at the black plague and the writing in the enlightenment.. Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Denis Diderot