My daughter keeps seeing ghosts. help

[shottie]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

[Anders Lindman]

Just a guess, but when the light is switched off it takes some time for the eyes to readjust and so ghostlike shapes may appear in the field of vision? Or maybe some people really can tune in to other frequency fields of reality, but I would look for a rational mainstream explanation first.

[shottie]

Just a guess, but when the light is switched off it takes some time for the eyes to readjust and so ghostlike shapes may appear in the field of vision? Or maybe some people really can tune in to other frequency fields of reality, but I would look for a rational mainstream explanation first.


It was about 2 minutes before she came into the front room.

When she was three i saw something out of the corner of my eye, i turned and looked and there was nothing there. Then i looked down at tamzin (my dauther) who was looking up at the tv, then she turned and looked at the exact same place where i saw somthing, then came running to me saying 'dad the scary man is trying to get me'. My girlfriend was in the room too watching tv but didnt see anything. I said to tamzin point to where she saw it and it was the exact same place.

The wierd thing is (if that isnt wierd enough) it was not long after i had heard about peripheral vision and how to train it by Stuart Wilde.

[Anders Lindman]

It was about 2 minutes before she came into the front room.

When she was three i saw something out of the corner of my eye, i turned and looked and there was nothing there. Then i looked down at tamzin (my dauther) who was looking up at the tv, then she turned and looked at the exact same place where i saw somthing, then came running to me saying 'dad the scary man is trying to get me'. My girlfriend was in the room too watching tv but didnt see anything. I said to tamzin point to where she saw it and it was the exact same place.

The wierd thing is (if that isnt wierd enough) it was not long after i had heard about peripheral vision and how to train it by Stuart Wilde.

I think David Icke is right about there being vastly more frequencies and dimensions than we usually can sense with our ordinary senses. We are tuned in to one channel of reality and people who can move the frequency dial a bit can experience more things. But I also think that consensus reality, the ordinary five-sense world, is the main and most solid channel.

[shottie]

I think David Icke is right about there being vastly more frequencies and dimensions than we usually can sense with our ordinary senses. We are tuned in to one channel of reality and people who can move the frequency dial a bit can experience more things. But I also think that consensus reality, the ordinary five-sense world, is the main and most solid channel.

Yeah, its like dreaming. Your not bound by a physical body or beliefs such as 'this dream is not real'.

A childs mind is like a seedling, fragile but with enormous potential.

[lemin000]

Shadow people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GF5aYG2UCdQ

:)

[ngawaka19]

Children are ten times more sensitive to other dimensions and density's than we are. The older they get and the more cluttered there minds get from learning the less they see. My son was the same. I've got a couple of things for you,
firstly, just check with her that everything is ok in her life, is she enjoying school, are the other kids ok, does she like living in this house, is she all good with mum and dad, granpa etc, do the radious of her world, there might be something bothering her that she is unable to recognise and articulate, something thats hassling her emotionally. If all good in the hood........
and you want to clear this new space your living in..........(my culture very much understands the cross over of density's and dimentions, so this is not unusual). Where i come from its an every day thing.

A couple of things you can do, infact heaps of things,
just go thru everyroom and do a karakia (pray) letting the 'cross over' off the hook, tell them to go, with love. you can assist this with river water, or sea water thats been blessed. Bless it yourself, it doesn't need a preist, you are the priest. All with love, and creations blessings. you have the ability and power to lift and clear your space. its in all of us. just have love and knowing in your heart, and like,... i'm talking....get it connected..............hooked up with the higher knowing. you know you can. be the positive force, the stronger force of love, to move what ever.

there are other things you can do that are not from my culture, burn ground coffee beans like incense in every room, they don't like it, they leave.

sea salt, put a mound in the very most 4 corners of your home, for at least one full moon

we can make things lighter or heavier, everything is what we want it to be.
let baby know that she can come to you when ever no matter what time of night. this will give her practical options. tell her the truth, and teach her that she is the boss of her space, show her how to be stronger, and how, 'no sweat' it can be.

my kuia (nan) used to say to me, its not the dead you need to worry about its the bloody living, she was sooooooo right.

But, i got a feeling that something could be bugging her, in her everyday life that she's unable to express.

good luck friend
ngawaka19

[blindspot]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

I must say that, you should tell her that there is no such thing as ghosts, sounds like you are winding her up maybe?

Rita x

[carlg1212]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

I saw a ghost when I was little (it manifested as a bright light, much like a strobe light). I finally confronted it, and told it to go away (I was something like 8 years old).

I suggest you tell your daughter to do the same - tell her to tell them to go away. Don't converse with them...that's dangerous IMHO.

[carlg1212]

sea salt, put a mound in the very most 4 corners of your home, for at least one full moon


Hmmmm...where'd you hear this? Just curious.

[positive terror]

I have the definitive solution for you, you should remove any statue or figure that you have bought of some strange place, the demons they usually possess also statues, amulets, squares, paintings.....in fact when you buy a souvenir of another country you are bringing a new demon to home.

And here you have the DESTRUCTIVE WEAPON for any demon or wicked spirit, I assure you to 100% that you won't have any strange being in your home when you listen these two chapters of Koran:

Reciter: Saad Al-Ghamidi, Recitation of the 2 first chapters of the Holy Koran:
Surat Al-Fatihah and Al-Baqarah RAM (http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/Favorite/002.ram) MP3 (http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/Favorite/002.mp3)

Reciter:Sh. Su'ud As-Shuraim,Recitation of the third chapter of the Holy Quran
MP3 (http://quran.islamway.com/quran/shuraim/003.mp3)

And say Good Bay to the spirits FOREVER!!! They gonna RUN when they listen the Holy Word Of The Creator.

Selected Recitations by Famous Reciters (http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/Favorite/)

Translation of the Meaning of (http://islam-universe.com/audio/Qiyam/)
The Noble Quran
In the English Language

[i_am]

I must say that, you should tell her that there is no such thing as ghosts, sounds like you are winding her up maybe?

Rita x

hmmmm! You obviously have never encountered anything like this :) I have on many occassions and I can assure you they are very real.

My daughter also had 'entities' in her room from a very young age. She still does now but is no longer afraid. When she was afraid it was always in the dark so I left a light on. She felt them at other times too but it only scared her in the dark.

Her son was the same but after smudging his room, he was more relaxed so you could try that.

[auron]

I've never seen a ghost. I'd love a few to come in my house so i could share a smoke with them.

[girthgirl]

I suggest just common sense mate she probably is seeing spirit
but spirit wont harm her.
Its probably your great grandma watching a lovely little girl go to sleep/
she may have only seen the spirit once but now its in her mind shes
thinking about it and getting anxious/ but she will soon learn she is safe
and then she will start playing on it to try and stay up late with you
HA ha!!!
:):):):)

[shottie]

Thanks for all the positive feedback. I am grateful.

[ngawaka19]

Hmmmm...where'd you hear this? Just curious.

my grandmother. she was a healer, she lived by the sea, she used to crack me up cause she'd say that no matter what ill health you had you gotta go for a swim. the sea water washes all the bad and infected away. So when we got a cold in the middle of winter she'd make us go for a swim. Hard case, but it used to work.

she was scary, u know, kinda person knew what you were up to before you did, apparently her gift for healing was handed down by here great grandfather who was a paramount chief of the Ngati Maru tribe. Which is the tribe from the area of Corromandal in the north island. Maori name, Hauraki.

[ngawaka19]

I've never seen a ghost. I'd love a few to come in my house so i could share a smoke with them.

I have.

Your heart zooms up to a million miles an hour. I got outta there. What was strange about it was, people always talk about seeing holographic type apparitions, but for me on this night, (i was in the wrong place at the wrong time), it was like a black sheet of glass that moved. I could see in the moonlight the room I was in, but where this black shade glass was I couldn't see past it. It moved swiftly from one side of the room to the other. Freaky. The other thing was I was freezing all of a sudden. Location Brisbane, Australia, in the middle of summer.


ngawaka:confused:

[auron]

Man i bet that was freaky!!

[ngawaka19]

I ran out in the middle of the night. Shaking all the way, still in pjs, jumped in my HQ Holden drove like a bat out of hell to my friends and clutched at her bedding begging to let me in. It wasn't like i just saw it................the whole feeling was like it brushed up against my insides. I never doubted anyone's ghost story's after that. Since then, I've only had one other experience, whilst in Rarotonga. (Seems to be always when I'm away from home) But not quite as shocking as the first, probably because I know they're there now, I look at it like, respect for them, who ever and what ever. Help them out.
And again, we are all in the same boat.
love and light
ngawaka19

[bigus_dickus]

what the fuck is all this crap? if you weren't superstitious your child wouldn't be seeing ghosts and believing that bullshit. stop scaring your children with garbage.

[ngawaka19]

what the fuck is all this crap? if you weren't superstitious your child wouldn't be seeing ghosts and believing that bullshit. stop scaring your children with garbage.


Bit of a big reaction there bigus dickus.......are other cultural groups able to live the traditions of their ancestors without judgements? Does this man need to be held to ransom for what has probably been in his family/spiritual lore, or are we to be judged thru western eyes as being classically 'superstitious'?

Obviously you haven't experienced ghosts/apparitions/dimensions, possibly you are not a spiritual person......I'm sure you are

There are other concepts of life out there dude. Its not just all one attitude.
I've probably pissed you off more which I don't want to do, so I'm sorry I don't mean too.

Tell the children the truth.
Bob Marley

peace brother
ngawaka19

[bigus_dickus]

hey ngawaka19, no need to take it personally, i am not mad. it's just a way to say things some times :)

well the facts are, he mentions someone's death and a black cat, so i don't see a point there. someone may have died in the same place, but since when ghosts have caused any harm to humans? is it because of the horror movies? it's more dangerous to walk in the street than having a ghost in your house, so if you think you're seeing ghosts, get over it and it'll go away.

and how would a cat fit in the story?

[ngawaka19]

oh ok i understand, yep, I agree, i misunderstood, sorry.

I actually was more inclined to think that his daughter might have something troubling her. Being the care giver of many a stray child, they tend need a little help to isolate what exactly has been bugging them, in order to discuss it and express what they feel. My experience, majority of children have reactionary ways of expressing something they can't quite put a finger on. It will be interesting to hear from shottie to see what the outcome has been.

[bigus_dickus]

yes, but the kids are following the patterns of their parents when they are very young. what they believe is what their parents believe, what they experience is whatever it may be, but they interpret with the same behavioral patterns that they adopt from the adults around them. they don't need to be scared of anything, besides deaths or injuries because of ghosts is like 0%. only fear makes them manifest.

[qasrose]

hmmmmm interesting..........???? has she only just started seeing them, also is it still happing.?

[thirdwave]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

Cant say I have been in that situation but thinking about it..here is what I would do....

i think you need to find out if your girl is scared because she does not know what it is.. or if it is scaring her on purpose... if its on purpose I would look into bringing a good medium into your house and checking it out as if you are not sure what you are doing its not wise to play games with something thats unfriendly...... if its not doing it on purpose then assure your girl that only some people can see these things and she is special and there is nothing to worry about.... she needs to try and make friends with it...so on....


good luck..

[mariag]

I must say that, you should tell her that there is no such thing as ghosts, sounds like you are winding her up maybe?

Rita x

Excuse me for asking , why should we tell our Children lies?
if we have experiences of other deities and beings from heaven or other dimensions , why should we deny that to our children?
I dont believe that is right.My children has all of them have close encounters of deities and i never once denied that they were there ,

[kblood]

Lying to your daughter would be wrong. The ghosts she sees might be real or not. See the movie "The sixth Sense" has the best angle to this I have seen yet. To my experience all in that movie could be real events. I have had ghosts "haunting". I think it has something about your personality and emotional state. Sometimes you are simply more sensitive to the world.

As I see it your daughter possibly has a gift that can help clear the "air" in your surroundings better than religius "exorcism". Cant she communicate with them? Are they all silent, or is her fear making her unable to understand them?
I havent read the whole thread yet, but Im just wandering around the forum and replying to all that catches my attention :)

Some ghosts seems to need guidance to enter the after life. Some of them seems to be lost and trapped here among us.

Good luck with it.

Oh, and another thing. It should be able to "disconnect" from this sense. To close the door in her mind to it. It is up to her to do that that though. Maybe hypnosis could help that. It will probably come back though, and I believe she will be better off learning to live with it.

I myself told my brother stories about ghosts :p Not that I ever saw ghosts myself as a kid. Not that I remember anyway. I told him about a family and society living in a forest. The "main" character lived in a tree, since they arent hindered by anything solid, the ghost didnt need to live in a hollow tree :rolleyes: I always find it fun to make up such wierd stories. My parent said at the beginning that I was scarying my brother with stories about ghosts? My answer was: Why be scared? Even if ghosts exists, what is there to fear?

Might have something to do with my soul possible is on a late state in its chacras, or however a souls lifetime is measured. Sometimes I seem to know things that I shouldnt have been able to learn so fast in this lifetime anyway.

Thanks for sharing about your daughter by the way :) Very rare I get to hear about "real" people who view ghosts. Those I so far have met who have been able to see ghosts, have related to their state of psyche I believe. If they are focused on the present and this world, they shouldnt be bothered by these otherworldly beings.

I bet she also has alot highly developed empathy?

[kblood]

Also being 5 anything can be scary. If you want to delude from seeing ghosts, then give her a doll or some other piece of "s***". Like a charm maybe. Then tell her it keeps the ghosts away. If she is able to believe that, and wants to believe it, then the ghosts shouldnt reveal themselves to her.

Hehe... There are many fun things to do with ghosts as well. I once introduced a ghost to another person, enabling that person to see it. She was in college, and had tests. The ghost liked her and didnt mind doing what she told him. So she had him go see the answers to the test for her :p

I guess she mostly did it to prove to her friends that she wasnt just crazy. I have stopped trying to prove to people that im not crazy.

Edit: correction, I guess some of the reason im on this forum is to prove to people that im not crazy, but most of all I am trying to find that answer for myself. How much of my life is a fearietale I made up to delude myself?

[infinitely free]

The wierd thing is (if that isnt wierd enough) it was not long after i had heard about peripheral vision and how to train it by Stuart Wilde.

Yes, this may well be related. Sometimes, thoughts get stuck in our subcounscious mind. Once thoughts are stuck in the subcounscious mind, they can easily get reproduced, as 'reality'!

From what i know, about 'ghosts', they are nothing but 'expressions', of other 'realities'!

Nothing to worry about! In fact we should be happy, when we get in touch with other 'realities'!

They are all expressions of ourselves (and our selfs)! :)

[kblood]

Yes, this may well be related. Sometimes, thoughts get stuck in our subcounscious mind. Once thoughts are stuck in the subcounscious mind, they can easily get reproduced, as 'reality'!

From what i know, about 'ghosts', they are nothing but 'expressions', of other 'realities'!

Nothing to worry about! In fact we should be happy, when we get in touch with other 'realities'!

They are all expressions of ourselves (and our selfs)! :)

Sounds very true :) I try seeing at as another experience, and I savor them all. Good or bad.

[notaslave]

People may laugh or scoff, it worries me not. I have been "sensitive" as far back as I recall (from before school age) I easy pick up on others moods. I bring up subjects which are on people's minds unintentionally (also known as putting your foot in it). I have seen "things" all my life. As a kid it scared me as a 48 yr old I'm well used to it.

I used to think years back it was connected to the place I was living in. Now I know "they" are following me around. My family know "they" are mine as I get accused of bringing "them" with me sometimes on visits. ie it is not just me who see them, feels them, smells them or experiences them. An ex-bf scoffed til he experienced them. I dont know what "they" are but "they" arent to be feared in my case.

Tell your daughter to speak to them. I tell mine to "fuck off" when I have had enough of them and they do. They go away for about 6mths (usually) and come back again. Having said that I have been in this house for 2 years and they havent visited yet.... but they will lol

[thirdwave]

I must say that, you should tell her that there is no such thing as ghosts, sounds like you are winding her up maybe?

Rita x


So when people hear and see what they would call ghosts... what are they hearing and see? I don't think there is any solid evidence that ghosts don't exist....

[i_am]

If it is ones reality that these things do not exist then they will not exist but it is not the same for everyone. Children ‘see’ things that adults don’t. They are then often programmed to believe that what they experienced was bullshit. Children do receive programming from their parents but not in all cases.

I grew up in a very strict Christian home. Superstitions were scoffed at and such things as ‘ghosts,’ ufos, reincarnation and anything supernatural were never discussed. That did not stop me from astral travelling (didn’t know what it was then but it was fun :p) seeing things others could not, dowsing, and having an insatiable thirst for knowledge in things that absolutely horrified my family. Because of being told over and over that these things did not exist or were somehow in opposition to God, it was suppressed to a fair extent but I still read a lot.

Most of it has now come back to me and believe it or not, I have had encounters with entities. They do not scare me.

At the time my daughter first had these encounters, nothing of this sort was ever discussed at home prior to her experiences. It is now, and has been for a long time, just a normal part of her life. Her son has had some of the most unbelievable experiences too.

[kblood]

People may laugh or scoff, it worries me not. I have been "sensitive" as far back as I recall (from before school age) I easy pick up on others moods. I bring up subjects which are on people's minds unintentionally (also known as putting your foot in it). I have seen "things" all my life. As a kid it scared me as a 48 yr old I'm well used to it.

I used to think years back it was connected to the place I was living in. Now I know "they" are following me around. My family know "they" are mine as I get accused of bringing "them" with me sometimes on visits. ie it is not just me who see them, feels them, smells them or experiences them. An ex-bf scoffed til he experienced them. I dont know what "they" are but "they" arent to be feared in my case.

Tell your daughter to speak to them. I tell mine to "fuck off" when I have had enough of them and they do. They go away for about 6mths (usually) and come back again. Having said that I have been in this house for 2 years and they havent visited yet.... but they will lol

Nice :) I have only known someone who has admitted to seeing ghosts that are under 30 years old. Teenagers and so on. Guess it isnt easy to get someone to talk about, and definately isnt common in everyday life. It is a bit sad with some of the ghosts I guess.

In my case (and im 25), I have only seen ghosts of people that I have had contact with, and maybe known a little, when they were alive. I have a few dead relatives, but I think of it sometimes as leaving them alone. When someone tells you that you "bring" ghosts with you, it isnt true of course. However, attention does make them confident ;) I guess you are more used to ghosts than me by now though. They sure can cause a mess. Sometimes I wonder if have "adapted" in some way. I envy those who are able to see the lost souls. I have thought about trying to seek out haunted places and see if I could make contact with them intentionally.

[notaslave]

I dont call them ghosts nor dead people since I have no evidence they are either. I dont know them.

[kblood]

So when people hear and see what they would call ghosts... what are they hearing and see? I don't think there is any solid evidence that ghosts don't exist....

Only "solid" evidence of ghosts is when "physical" energi gets jumpy. Maybe the light blinks on and off, a computer making unexplainable errors, stuff moving on their own. Stuff like that. Some ghosts crave attention. I guess they dont want to realise that they are in limbo. Try watching some of those "ghost hunting" shows, where they seek out poltergeists and so on. They do seem to be "camera shy" though ;) They dont get caught on camera unaware. They arent bound to our world the same way we are. Sometimes they might get in contact with people they find interesting and haunts them. I guess another good evidence of them is when someone gets possessed. I have tried to allow ghosts inside, but I dont like to give them full control of my body. Very hard to have that much control with them though. I have done things Im not proud off after allowing my body to be possessed.

Oh yea, the coolest possession of me ever was when I got "possessed" by Kurt Cobain :cool: I was allowed to borrow a guitar from the museum of Hard Rock Cafe in NY that belonged to Kurt Cobain. I have always wanted to be able to play a guitar... that was a bit like cheating though :p I didnt sing of course. I dont believe he would have the same voice in my throat... :rolleyes:

Well. I hope there are others who can tell about their experiences?

[notaslave]

Oh yea, the coolest possession of me ever was when I got "possessed" by Kurt Cobain :cool: I was allowed to borrow a guitar from the museum of Hard Rock Cafe in NY that belonged to Kurt Cobain. I have always wanted to be able to play a guitar... that was a bit like cheating though :p I didnt sing of course. I dont believe he would have the same voice in my throat... :rolleyes:


Well you would appear to be able to have a two-way convo with your visitors. I have never experienced that but I dont doubt it is a possibility. I would doubt that it was really Kurt Cobain though as it is my experience they have a sense of humour.

To me they dont seem to very dead. Which is why I doubt they are dead souls.

I have thought about as you do and concluded that we exist in the same time frame for a little while.

My thoughts are that perhaps (though I am not totally convinced) they are time travellers. If you believe time travel to be possible in the future, then what is to say they aren't coming from the future? My only problem with that is that there may be a paradox where you cant time travel into a period where time travel doesnt exist.

As I say I dont know who or what they are but they dont seem very dead.

[kblood]

Well you would appear to be able to have a two-way convo with your visitors. I have never experienced that but I dont doubt it is a possibility. I would doubt that it was really Kurt Cobain though as it is my experience they have a sense of humour.

To me they dont seem to very dead. Which is why I doubt they are dead souls.

I have thought about as you do and concluded that we exist in the same time frame for a little while.

My thoughts are that perhaps (though I am not totally convinced) they are time travellers. If you believe time travel to be possible in the future, then what is to say they aren't coming from the future? My only problem with that is that there may be a paradox where you cant time travel into a period where time travel doesnt exist.

As I say I dont know who or what they are but they dont seem very dead.

Yea, that is something that is mindboggling to me as well... I dont know what mindboggling means, but its like the word :p Sam n Max ftw! :)

Well, I believe the guitar wasnt the only condiut. Sounds like this guy believed to be Kurt Cobains son. As I said I dont like to let those that are within my body to speak through me... I guess mediums know why. Its kinda scary, and you might get "blackouts" if they get too much control of your body. I once tried to summon the mother of someone into me. I could see her body as mine, and I even believed to look like her. I guess the one I did it for saw that as well. I could tell her what year it was, and the year was the year that her mother died.

You are very true about being skeptic about all this though. Can be some spirit that is just fooling around with you. There must be alot of them around us... but since they arent bound to this world the same way as us, they are hard to "nail down". Its not easy understanding the dimensions of the reality of ghosts and other otherplanar beings.

Some souls I wont let affect me. Like my dead father. I have wanted to communicate with him. When it comes to these things, I try to not let it be something personal. He did link me and my grandmother though during my graduation. Was a bit embarrasing :o His girlfriend was the one taking the worst blows from his death of course. Missing a person so much makes them linger. They still have some of their essence here even though the body is gone. I think it is important to have our rituals like funerals to get closure, and let them go. A person like my father wouldnt leave this place untill he knew those he love wouldnt need him anymore. I guess he wont ever fully leave.

I do think that when it comes to timetravel:
The sun and other stars around us make out reality the way it is. We can accelerate our spirit enough to make timetravel possibel. Not recommendable though. I did see a very nice movie about it though. I had to learn teleportation of the body first though. I havent tried doing it, without returning to the point of my first "teleport" afterwards though. And I did had an audience help summon me with the help of an "idol" I know :) Always good with friends that dare to do the things your own fears or motivations keeps you from doing.

I dont know wether spirits timetravel freely though, but they seem like they are but a memory of sorts. I have a theory about them not being able to expand their memory after death, if they ever had one. They arent bound to time the same way we are, thats for sure. Time is part of out dimension. Light is energi and matter. It has also been proven by scientist that even light can be slowed down my gasses of some kind. That was a nice discovery inmy opinion :)

[carlg1212]

it's more dangerous to walk in the street than having a ghost in your house

I disagree. Obviously you've never had a ghost in your house.

P.S. "Ghost" is a term for some entity we can't explain. It's on another dimension. Dogs won't go into haunted houses.

[thirdwave]

Only "solid" evidence of ghosts is when "physical" energi gets jumpy. Maybe the light blinks on and off, a computer making unexplainable errors, stuff moving on their own. Stuff like that. Some ghosts crave attention. I guess they dont want to realise that they are in limbo. Try watching some of those "ghost hunting" shows, where they seek out poltergeists and so on. They do seem to be "camera shy" though ;) They dont get caught on camera unaware. They arent bound to our world the same way we are. Sometimes they might get in contact with people they find interesting and haunts them. I guess another good evidence of them is when someone gets possessed. I have tried to allow ghosts inside, but I dont like to give them full control of my body. Very hard to have that much control with them though. I have done things Im not proud off after allowing my body to be possessed.

Oh yea, the coolest possession of me ever was when I got "possessed" by Kurt Cobain :cool: I was allowed to borrow a guitar from the museum of Hard Rock Cafe in NY that belonged to Kurt Cobain. I have always wanted to be able to play a guitar... that was a bit like cheating though :p I didnt sing of course. I dont believe he would have the same voice in my throat... :rolleyes:

Well. I hope there are others who can tell about their experiences?

the thing is they wont look into it deeply.. because modern science shows us that they could easily exist.... there is a way for them to exist.... but they are not really keen on people learning all this...

[kblood]

the thing is they wont look into it deeply.. because modern science shows us that they could easily exist.... there is a way for them to exist.... but they are not really keen on people learning all this...

I think many just doesnt want to know. To deny that they exist is easier. Less things in the world to fear, and a person that doesnt believe in ghosts is less likely to pay them any attention. Sometimes I might have walked by a ghost without noticing, simply because it might have appeared like another person. I remember seeing one at halloween, and I first off said, nice costume. Then I figured that it did seem a bit wrong. Then I realised my friends couldnt see him, otherwise I wouldnt have known. He seemed to have been waiting for me, but wasnt the one making contact. I dont think he spoke english though, seemed like some ancient gibberish. Sounded arabic, but I guessed hebrew. I guess I trust my intuition on that one. Wierd one though, cant quite explain him.

[lifeofbrian]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

If your attitude is that they have as much right to be in your living space as you, and your frightened child, then why mention it.

If I were you, I would sternly tell them to fuck off. Loudly.

If that did not help, I would find a person who could help the place- or person-bound spirit to get to the light for another reincarnation.

Unless someone has prayed for protection of your child and that thing is just doing its job.

[kblood]

I disagree. Obviously you've never had a ghost in your house.

P.S. "Ghost" is a term for some entity we can't explain. It's on another dimension. Dogs won't go into haunted houses.

Yes... I just use ghost to make it more easier to explain. I havent seen any that was truly spirit though. They all have seemed like being spirits all their life. Except some shadows I have seen, not sure about them. Maybe they are these Illuminati. Only ones that fit the evilness theme. They mostly seemed like servants or something though. Maybe if I could find someone who knows how to use the necronomicon to find me something powerfull and see what they are capable off :rolleyes: So far I havent seen any that even tried doing any resistance against me, unless they were maybe newly dead and didnt want to realise it. Over time they do seem to forgot their body though, so I guess spirits that haunts houses simply try to keep being able to cling to this plane. They are possible trying to show others that they arent dead.

I think most evil spirits are just very misunderstood beings. Guess they can get angry and vengefull though. Jealus most of all. I have tried being out of body experience like. Seems very much like being totally blind, deaf and so on. You simply have to act on instinct and what you remember from your body. I remember seeking out a friend and possessing him a bit to get some help. I thought I was about to leave though. Guess it wasnt my time yet though.

[misscpb]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

Hello

Please try the following sites which are free, go into the chat room or post your message on the forums, as I believe you will find many people who will be able to explain and help you and your daughter with regards to what she has been seeing ok.

www.mediumystics.com
www.walkwithspirit.co.uk
www.psychics.co.uk/chat/index.php

Take Care

[kblood]

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

Isnt cats supposed to be in touch with the dead somehow? I think they were holy creatures in Egypt because of that. Also I read a story about a cat on a hospital that went and slept in the old peoples bed there. And it never failed to predict the next one who would die. It slept in their bed with them that same night or something.

So I guess it might be possible for the cat to be a medium or something. Would seem odd to me that it made a ghost stay instead of leave though.

[bigus_dickus]

I disagree. Obviously you've never had a ghost in your house.

P.S. "Ghost" is a term for some entity we can't explain. It's on another dimension. Dogs won't go into haunted houses.

so how would a ghost live in a house? too many movies, man...

even if they did, how could they threaten alive humans? i challenge any ghost there is to come to my house and pretend it's scaring me. go ahead you assholes, come to me!

[kblood]

so how would a ghost live in a house? too many movies, man...

even if they did, how could they threaten alive humans? i challenge any ghost there is to come to my house and pretend it's scaring me. go ahead you assholes, come to me!

They usually cant threaten alive humans. Ghosts are very weak on this plane, and have very limited ways to interacting with us. Unless they possess someone I guess, but this is not easy for them either of course. I think the one being possessed would have to get very emotionally broken. Low ego and/or self esteem might enable a possession.

I try to challenge ghosts as well. So far I they only seem to have been enabled to do anything on this plane by me given them attention. Otherwise they would probably just be fading I think.

When someone die, they might have a strong emotional connection to a house or some other location. This is what I think might cause a place to be haunted.

[ngawaka19]

this has been a fascinating read, thanks kblood and notaslave, you two have been given a special gift. Just a wee question, are you able to divinate?

and thanks for the links misscpb. awesom

love and light
ngawaka

[kblood]

this has been a fascinating read, thanks kblood and notaslave, you two have been given a special gift. Just a wee question, are you able to divinate?

and thanks for the links misscpb. awesom

love and light
ngawaka

I think I might be able to, but so many things I do, I havent been able to put words on. So I dont really know what divination is. Hmmm.. Is it the seeking of answers from the "oneness mainstream"? Tried it once, and it gave me a headache. I think my eyes turned very misty. I think the question I had wasnt good enough or something. Maybe they just didnt like how I was trying to save a lost soul.

So.. if that was divination, I think I have only done it once. Intentionally. But I was very desperate for an answer... I prefer doing research though.

Do you know anyone who is able to divinate ? I havent explored what can be done with it yet... I think... and I like to explore every way there is to use powers. Hopefully for good.

[ngawaka19]

Do you know anyone who is able to divination ? I have explored what can be done with it yet... I think... and I like to explore every way there is to use powers. Hopefully for good.

Well yep, .........it happens to me..........I'm very shy talking about it as I have no idea what it is or where it comes from, and don't like to seem like I'm anything out of the ordinary. I can't seem to do it for myself, or with anything I seem to be emotionally attached to. I know about numbers, and have done since I was young, but don't know why. It confuses the hell out of me. When I take a look inside myself for others and give them an answer to their question, my accuracy has been 100%. I hate it, as I don't do it for money or anything perverted like that, but heaps of my friends and fan always hassle me to tell them stuff. I have only experienced sighting "ghosts" twice, but have experienced sensing or feeling entity's are there close to me or I've walked into a space where they are, evil and good. I get sent signs, mostly naturalistic. That's about it really. I haven't inquired about it anywhere and rarely talk about it to anyone outside of my circle.

[thirdwave]

I think many just doesnt want to know. To deny that they exist is easier. Less things in the world to fear, and a person that doesnt believe in ghosts is less likely to pay them any attention. Sometimes I might have walked by a ghost without noticing, simply because it might have appeared like another person. I remember seeing one at halloween, and I first off said, nice costume. Then I figured that it did seem a bit wrong. Then I realised my friends couldnt see him, otherwise I wouldnt have known. He seemed to have been waiting for me, but wasnt the one making contact. I dont think he spoke english though, seemed like some ancient gibberish. Sounded arabic, but I guessed hebrew. I guess I trust my intuition on that one. Wierd one though, cant quite explain him.



Sometimes I might have walked by a ghost without noticing


yeah I think many children se this allot.... Im sure many of us if not all of us saw ghosts when we were very young.. but how would we know they were ghosts.... my mate told me his little girl really freaked him out once as they were walking up stairs to their flat and she said " daddy who is that old lady? " ..and he said it was quite late and no body about.... he did not really know what to say to her and just ignored it.... but it probably happens all the time.. most people will just think its a kid being a kid... when its just there third eye is not been messed up yet...

[bigus_dickus]

They usually cant threaten alive humans. Ghosts are very weak on this plane, and have very limited ways to interacting with us. Unless they possess someone I guess, but this is not easy for them either of course. I think the one being possessed would have to get very emotionally broken. Low ego and/or self esteem might enable a possession.

they can't threaten or possess anyone, because they don't exist. the hollywood movies are fake, don't believe them. there are no haunted houses and other objects, only our imagination (of the living) can "haunt" them.

I try to challenge ghosts as well. So far I they only seem to have been enabled to do anything on this plane by me given them attention. Otherwise they would probably just be fading I think.

maybe your belief in them is fading, because they are not real.

When someone die, they might have a strong emotional connection to a house or some other location. This is what I think might cause a place to be haunted.

nah, that's bullshit my brother. no ghosts, no haunted matter, period.

[thirdwave]

they can't threaten or possess anyone, because they don't exist. the hollywood movies are fake, don't believe them. there are no haunted houses and other objects, only our imagination (of the living) can "haunt" them.



maybe your belief in them is fading, because they are not real.



nah, that's bullshit my brother. no ghosts, no haunted matter, period.


does the fact that scientists are learning that parallel dimensions are a strong possibility and that energy exists outside of our frequency range not leave the possibility of Ghosts wide open?

what evidence are you going on that ghosts are not a possibility?

not to mention the "myth" (as you would put it) of ghosts has been around for as long as our history records exist .... thats an awful long time for the debunker's to do their thing.

[bigus_dickus]

does the fact that scientists are learning that parallel dimensions are a strong possibility and that energy exists outside of our frequency range not leave the possibility of Ghosts wide open?

what does that have to do with science? do you know what ghost means.. it means "soul, spirit". i am not waiting for scientific proof of the soul's existence.

however, they way you are referring to them, is making them something different from what they are (soul, spirit, which applies to God and Holy Spirit in christian belief) and creating an illusion, a phantom. phantasma is the greek word of ghost, while the word 'ghost' comes from the root "ghois-" which means "to excite, to frighten".

therefore in a few words, a ghost is a soul that is scary. is that an illusion or what?

what evidence are you going on that ghosts are not a possibility?

i am just using my brain, it doesn't have to do with possibility and quantum physics.

[lifeofbrian]

"So much of the knowledge in our minds is based on lies and superstitions that come from thousands of years ago. Humans create stories long before we are born, and we inherit those stories, we adopt them, and we live in those stories."
--Miguel Angel Ruiz

http://www.yourghoststories.com/
http://theshadowlands.net/ghost/

[thirdwave]

what does that have to do with science? do you know what ghost means.. it means "soul, spirit". i am not waiting for scientific proof of the soul's existence.

however, they way you are referring to them, is making them something different from what they are (soul, spirit, which applies to God and Holy Spirit in christian belief) and creating an illusion, a phantom. phantasma is the greek word of ghost, while the word 'ghost' comes from the root "ghois-" which means "to excite, to frighten".

therefore in a few words, a ghost is a soul that is scary. is that an illusion or what?



i am just using my brain, it doesn't have to do with possibility and quantum physics.


everything is to do with science...
you may not want to wait for evidence that the soul exists in and out of the human body... but it will come.... its probably already here but we will need to wait until as usual the info is to much to contain...


if you are referring to what a "ghost actually is" ...then thats very much up for debate... i think people use that word when they see something that does not appear to be of our "solid" world... just a tag... they could also use the word... "entity" .."illusion" ..."spirit" ...so on....

if you are just talking about how people assess these images and that the word ghost is not a good word to generalize them, then fare enough...

but if your doubting weather these energies....beings.... ghosts... what ever you want to call them, actually exist, then i stand by my question.. How do you know they don't exist?

[bigus_dickus]

but if your doubting weather these energies....beings.... ghosts... what ever you want to call them, actually exist, then i stand by my question.. How do you know they don't exist?

they exist in people's imagination, they are not real, they are illusions i said and i repeat again and again. i didn't say that the soul does not exist, i said that science may never prove that. what is proof anyway?

[i_am]

they can't threaten or possess anyone, because they don't exist. the hollywood movies are fake, don't believe them. there are no haunted houses and other objects, only our imagination (of the living) can "haunt" them.

nah, that's bullshit my brother. no ghosts, no haunted matter, period.


Hey bigus :)

I reiterate what a said in an earlier post," If it is ones reality that these things do not exist then they will not exist"

It is your reality that they don't exist so no-one is going to convince you otherwise. Likewise you are not going to convince people who have experienced encounters, they do not exist.

I had not seen a hollywood movie when I had the first encounter of many during my lifetime. I had not heard of these things from anyone. I can't explain it but I have experienced it, many times and in many different places. I don't like the term 'ghost' as it implies that these entities are something to be afraid of and in my experience they are not. I am not afraid of them but have had occasion where other family members were terrified.

I have experienced so in my reality, I believe.

[bigus_dickus]

Hey bigus :)

I reiterate what a said in an earlier post," If it is ones reality that these things do not exist then they will not exist"

It is your reality that they don't exist so no-one is going to convince you otherwise. Likewise you are not going to convince people who have experienced encounters, they do not exist.

yes, of course.

of course no one will convince me that they exist, it depends on what you believe, if you believe they exist and they drink blood and move stuff around for fun, then hey, it's your playground there.

but this thread is about having problems and asking for help. if they don't like this kind of help, then go to some exorcist or magician or something and see yourself where it takes you. i highly don't recommend that though, i recommend using your brains and opening your eyes for a change. :)

[thirdwave]

they exist in people's imagination, they are not real, they are illusions i said and i repeat again and again. i didn't say that the soul does not exist, i said that science may never prove that. what is proof anyway?


Ok, so you do think the soul exists..... but you also think the "ghosts" people see are not real and its just in their heads..

so I have another question, why do you think its more likely that so many people are seeing these things (in their heads) than them actually seeing a soul of a being... or an image of that soul.... after all our physical world is made up of vibrating energy viewed to us as "atoms"

what is proof?.... I view proof as something that conforms with a 3 dimensional logic and can been seen clearly within that logic to be fact.

seeing as there is so much that the 3 dimensional logic cant explain... i feel it also cant prove that things like ghosts are not real.... in order to prove that we need to move outside of the vibrational energy within the 3rd dimension and within that environment we could attempt to prove that ghosts are just apart of our imagination and are not "real", we are managing to move into a different environment but are yet to prove they are not real... infact its more a case of evidence being found that makes the likelihood far more likely.

of course we could also say that yes, they are just in peoples heads... but thn again so is everything.

[bigus_dickus]

Ok, so you do think the soul exists..... but you also think the "ghosts" people see are not real and its just in their heads..

that's right!

so I have another question, why do you think its more likely that so many people are seeing these things (in their heads) than them actually seeing a soul of a being... or an image of that soul.... after all our physical world is made up of vibrating energy viewed to us as "atoms"

people see things that they can't explain and they automatically connect them with what they believe. so, an unknown "something" can be a soul, an angel, a ghost, an alien, a reptilian, or just a shadow on the wall. can you argue with any of the above? of course not, people know ghosts, they see ghosts, they don't understand that these are not ghosts, because that's what they know and believe.

i know people who are scared of their own shadow. you would call them ridiculous, but they don't think so. i know people who can't sleep without the main light on, scared of darkness, never look to darkness as if there is some entity in there that is going to pop out and scare them. can you convince them that there's nothing there?

what is proof?.... I view proof as something that conforms with a 3 dimensional logic and can been seen clearly within that logic to be fact.

what is 3 dimensional logic?

seeing as there is so much that the 3 dimensional logic cant explain... i feel it also cant prove that things like ghosts are not real.... in order to prove that we need to move outside of the vibrational energy within the 3rd dimension and within that environment we could attempt to prove that ghosts are just apart of our imagination and are not "real", we are managing to move into a different environment but are yet to prove they are not real... infact its more a case of evidence being found that makes the likelihood far more likely.

of course we could also say that yes, they are just in peoples heads... but thn again so is everything.

exactly.

ok, here is the deal. everyone who believes that ghosts are real, can start to have hope, because this would mean that god and the holy ghost are definitely real, so they have nothing to worry about, they are protected. keep this illusion in mind and you are safe.

[i_am]

yes, of course.

of course no one will convince me that they exist, it depends on what you believe, if you believe they exist and they drink blood and move stuff around for fun, then hey, it's your playground there. but this thread is about having problems and asking for help. if they don't like this kind of help, then go to some exorcist or magician or something and see yourself where it takes you. i highly don't recommend that though, i recommend using your brains and opening your eyes for a change. :)

ROFL No I don't believe in that shit either. Did I say anything about poltergeists? and if I said these entities were nothing to be afraid of, in my opinion, why would I need an exorcist?

[bigus_dickus]

ROFL No I don't believe in that shit either. Did I say anything about poltergeists? and if I said these entities were nothing to be afraid of, in my opinion, why would I need an exorcist?

not you, someone who believes that these things have control on them and people who claim possession. a possession is no different from a haunt, all this wordplay confuses people even more. i said before, only fear makes this stuff manifest, no fear and you see them as what they are.

[thirdwave]

that's right!



people see things that they can't explain and they automatically connect them with what they believe. so, an unknown "something" can be a soul, an angel, a ghost, an alien, a reptilian, or just a shadow on the wall. can you argue with any of the above? of course not, people know ghosts, they see ghosts, they don't understand that these are not ghosts, because that's what they know and believe.

i know people who are scared of their own shadow. you would call them ridiculous, but they don't think so. i know people who can't sleep without the main light on, scared of darkness, never look to darkness as if there is some entity in there that is going to pop out and scare them. can you convince them that there's nothing there?



what is 3 dimensional logic?



exactly.

ok, here is the deal. everyone who believes that ghosts are real, can start to have hope, because this would mean that god and the holy ghost are definitely real, so they have nothing to worry about, they are protected. keep this illusion in mind and you are safe.





people see things that they can't explain and they automatically connect them with what they believe. so, an unknown "something" can be a soul, an angel, a ghost, an alien, a reptilian, or just a shadow on the wall. can you argue with any of the above? of course not, people know ghosts, they see ghosts, they don't understand that these are not ghosts, because that's what they know and believe.

i know people who are scared of their own shadow. you would call them ridiculous, but they don't think so. i know people who can't sleep without the main light on, scared of darkness, never look to darkness as if there is some entity in there that is going to pop out and scare them. can you convince them that there's nothing there?


No because there is. there are beings all around us but we are only vibrating within a certain field...so cant see, touch, hear them..... but it appears that on occasions either we get closer to them or they get closer to us and we can see, feel hear them, some seem to be able to do this more than others... but there is still no evidence that shows that other enteritis outside of the vibrations (atoms) we live in are not very much alive and kicking.

There is no doubt many...if not most times people think they have seen something, have just seen a shadow... dust..... a reflection....

But there are times where this is clearly not the case and people have been generally shaken up by what they have seen or heard...experienced.... because it has taken them somewhere they never even knew was real.... so it leaves them feeling very insecure. (why?, lack of education)



what is 3 dimensional logic?

30 miles an hour

60 minutes

10 meters

10 + 10 = 20.

milk and juice don't mix.




ok, here is the deal. everyone who believes that ghosts are real, can start to have hope, because this would mean that god and the holy ghost are definitely real, so they have nothing to worry about, they are protected. keep this illusion in mind and you are safe.

not at all.... pretty much every single religion believes in ghosts.... that part of Christianity is not the part that is foggy in my eyes.... but religions very much limit this view... as if ghosts are the souls of die hard Christians who have done what they have been told..... when the truth is, a ghost can be anything from a human who has left our physical world, to simply another person who is not from here... to an alien checking places out...

it would just mean that this world, this life, is not as huge as we think it is.

[bigus_dickus]

No because there is. there are beings all around us but we are only vibrating within a certain field...so cant see, touch, hear them..... but it appears that on occasions either we get closer to them or they get closer to us and we can see, feel hear them, some seem to be able to do this more than others... but there is still no evidence that shows that other enteritis outside of the vibrations (atoms) we live in are not very much alive and kicking.

yes i know that, but you don't understand what i mean that ghosts are not real. i don't mean that there are not entities all around and inside out, i mean that "ghosts" ain't real. these entities are not ghosts as literature and movies make people believe. most have an idea planted in their minds from what they have seen in movies or elsewhere and have no further knowledge about it, only fear and a sense of mystery. thus, anything that could be accessible or maybe useful in some cases gets dismissed as 'ghost', 'supernatural' and 'paranormal'.

but there are no such things as ghosts, supernatural and paranormal. because all is one thing. i am saying this in a sense that we are not separate from everything, we are not more natural or more normal than anything else.

assuming that we are all and always surrounded by beings that we can't perceive and communicate with, then we are parts of these beings... the difference is that we have our clothes on. we are no less ghosts than them.. see where i am getting at.

But there are times where this is clearly not the case and people have been generally shaken up by what they have seen or heard...experienced.... because it has taken them somewhere they never even knew was real.... so it leaves them feeling very insecure. (why?, lack of education)

it doesn't matter what they think they see, what matters is that they have no idea what it is. and it remains that way whether you call it ghost, imagination, a spirit, or something else. same case with the UFOs. all flying objects that can't be identified as a known shape or idea, are classified as UFOs, but the general belief is that UFO necessarily means alien visitors from outer space, which is definitely not the case. some cases maybe, but this generalization is an idea in people's minds that just won't disappear easily. it is not logic, but people have it and believe it without thinking, but it doesn't matter.

i know people who have seen all kinds of things, it's a big list. some of these people are my friends. i am not calling them liars of course, i believe them. however, what they were observing was actually there, but the form that it appears as, depends on the individual.

i don't even want to talk about it, because people freak out. and if they are going to freak out and be scared for the rest of their lives, then i am discouraged of giving them helpful information. the most help they can have until they get rid of all this nonsense fear, is to believe in jesus. i am not saying it as a joke, unfortunately it's how things are..

not at all.... pretty much every single religion believes in ghosts.... that part of Christianity is not the part that is foggy in my eyes.... but religions very much limit this view... as if ghosts are the souls of die hard Christians who have done what they have been told..... when the truth is, a ghost can be anything from a human who has left our physical world, to simply another person who is not from here... to an alien checking places out...

it would just mean that this world, this life, is not as huge as we think it is.

what i was saying was that believing in ghosts and not in god, is oxymoron. it's like believing in bullets but not in guns.

so if someone believes in ghosts, then there's another huge and magnificent ghost to believe in, the holy spirit. we are part of the holy one, so nothing can hurt us. if you can't get out of illusions, you can have this belief, unless you prefer to live in fear scared of shadows.

[kblood]

what i was saying was that believing in ghosts and not in god, is oxymoron. it's like believing in bullets but not in guns.

so if someone believes in ghosts, then there's another huge and magnificent ghost to believe in, the holy spirit. we are part of the holy one, so nothing can hurt us. if you can't get out of illusions, you can have this belief, unless you prefer to live in fear scared of shadows.

I have alot of first hand experience in this. How would I be able to get knowledge from the dead, how they died, and what happened while they died, if they did not still linger?

My first memory of seeing a ghost, was when I had almost killed a young boy. I told his brother that he was a chicken shit for not just shooting me. I told the nurse behind me to move, but she said: "no, he wont shoot you.". I could only agree, but I still managed to provoke him to try. The bullet passed me by only an inch or something. Right past my eye... And into hers.

It was as much my fault as his. I simply couldnt live with letting her or his brother live such a crippled life. So sat down by her, and embraced her. Told her that she had been shot and was about to die. That death probably wasnt something to fear. Especially not for a good person like her. I kept talking with her, and without me noticing, she kept talking to me after she was dead. Her voice sounded very clear. No problems with making the words anymore. Scared me quite a bit when the others told me that she wasnt talking anymore.

I then talked with her ghost. Fearing that she might be kept here if she stayed too long I told her to "fuck off". I havent seen her since.

That you dont believe is ghosts is your choice Biggus. I didnt want to either. I just cant deny it anymore. Not with all I have experienced. I have been in the state of a ghost myself even, during this lifetime. And I got a clear memory of it. That is kind of wierd, since most people dont remember being out of their body.

[kblood]

Also science have proven the souls and ghosts countless of times. Problem is showing the data as consistent in any way. Therefore definite proof probably wont ever be found. Unless you experience the proof yourself.

I dont see ghosts day to day. Either they dont want to be seen, or I block them out. I dont know. I prefer not believing that they might be everywhere. In a way they arent really anywhere. They dont exist that much on this plane of existance. How we view them is either how they remember themselves, or how we saw them before. If you try focusing on them, the details get blurry, even though they at first seem like a complete person.

[kblood]

My view on the essence of a ghost:
Ghosts are at most very discreet energies. They are less than light, and can therefore move at greater speeds. They might not have any limitations of speed, but I cant be sure unless I try summoning a ghost to another place in our solar system, or preferably the galaxy. I believe they are bound to our planet and very much or sun. The sun is the light they ought to return to in the afterlife. There they might get reborn to fully spirit, and then take a sunbeam to another place.

[whitelightrabbit]

Excuse me for asking , why should we tell our Children lies?
if we have experiences of other deities and beings from heaven or other dimensions , why should we deny that to our children?
I dont believe that is right.My children has all of them have close encounters of deities and i never once denied that they were there ,

the thing is, it's not about what shottie is telling the kid. it's more about what she is telling him! the important thing i think is, to listen. just like you say mariag there is no need to lie to them. especially in these times when it seems to me most kids know more than their parents already.

Shottie: keep us posted will you?

[bigus_dickus]

My view on the essence of a ghost:
Ghosts are at most very discreet energies. They are less than light, and can therefore move at greater speeds. They might not have any limitations of speed, but I cant be sure unless I try summoning a ghost to another place in our solar system, or preferably the galaxy. I believe they are bound to our planet and very much or sun. The sun is the light they ought to return to in the afterlife. There they might get reborn to fully spirit, and then take a sunbeam to another place.

well that's what i'm talking about, people think they know what ghosts are, but they don't. they only assume and come up with theories like this.

are you talking about the soul? does the ghost leave the soul and go where it wants? do you have a ghost that will leave you when you die? will you be the ghost or will the ghost be something else? what are you now? are there souls that are not ghosts? does there a ghost exist without having lived and died first? can you answer these questions?

here is some etymology and definitions
ghost
O.E. gast "soul, spirit, life, breath," from P.Gmc. *ghoizdoz (cf. O.S. gest, O.Fris. jest, M.Du. gheest, Ger. Geist "spirit, ghost"), from PIE base *ghois- "to be excited, frightened" (cf. Skt. hedah "wrath;" Avestan zaesha- "horrible, frightful;" Goth. usgaisjan, O.E. gæstan "to frighten"). This was the usual W.Gmc. word for "supernatural being," and the primary sense seems to have been connected to the idea of "to wound, tear, pull to pieces." The surviving O.E. senses, however, are in Christian writing, where it is used to render L. spiritus, a sense preserved in Holy Ghost. Modern sense of "disembodied spirit of a dead person" is attested from c.1385 and returns the word toward its ancient sense. Most IE words for "soul, spirit" also double with ref. to supernatural spirits. Many have a base sense of "appearance" (e.g. Gk. phantasma; Fr. spectre; Pol. widmo, from O.C.S. videti "to see;" O.E. scin, O.H.G. giskin, originally "appearance, apparition," related to O.E. scinan, O.H.G. skinan "to shine"). Other concepts are in Fr. revenant, lit. "returning" (from the other world), O.N. aptr-ganga, lit. "back-comer." Bret. bugelnoz is lit. "night-child." L. manes, lit. "the good ones," is a euphemism. The gh- spelling appeared c.1425 in Caxton, influenced by Flem. and M.Du. gheest, but was rare in Eng. before c.1550. Sense of "slight suggestion" (in ghost image, ghost of a chance, etc.) is first recorded 1613; that in ghost writing is from 1884, but that term is not found until 1927. Ghost town is from 1931. Ghost in the machine was Gilbert Ryle's term (1949) for "the mind viewed as separate from the body."

poltergeist
1838, from Ger. Poltergeist, lit. "noisy ghost," from poltern "make noise, rattle" (from PIE base *bhel- "to sound, ring, roar") + Geist "ghost" (see ghost). In the native idiom of Northern England, such phenomenon likely would be credited to a boggart.

[kblood]

well that's what i'm talking about, people think they know what ghosts are, but they don't. they only assume and come up with theories like this.

are you talking about the soul? does the ghost leave the soul and go where it wants? do you have a ghost that will leave you when you die? will you be the ghost or will the ghost be something else? what are you now? are there souls that are not ghosts? does there a ghost exist without having lived and died first? can you answer these questions?


Seems some of the posts have tried to answer this. I think it was Jay, but in some other thread.

I have read theories that we start out as energi, beings that might know where everything is. Sensing everything, instead of seeing it and feeling it.

To me it is a bit like a question of "What came first, the chicken or the egg?".

I have tried to explain it to myself by splitting us up in three: Body, soul and spirit. I believe that our spirit has alot more knowledge about everything. To our spirit it isnt even termed knowledge, since it might already be perfect. I see the spirit as timeless. The plane of the spirit is what I think connects us to the oneness, as I have come to call it after joining this forum.

The soul however is a bit more connected to this plane of existance. It might have needs of its own. I believe that it is this that might be the essence of a ghost. "the ghost in the machine". I have watched some of the anime/mange series: Ghost in the Shell. I have read this adult cartoon inspired alot of what "The Matrix". Ghost in the Shell is about a fictional future of our world, and a woman whos body is completely artificial. She is "property" of her employers, because the body she lives in costs alot of money to maintain. Also she weighs alot since she got so much metal and wires in her body, even though she is more agile than most humans.

In the movies and series about ghost in the shell, the theme of it is mostly about what the difference is between body and soul. Also a bit about what came first, and are there entities or souls that might simply come into being in machines? Lots of deep questions, and their possible answers to it. Many answers seems left unanswered. Those Asians like leaving it up to the viewer to make the answers for themselves. Also this is why many of their thriller/horror movies are translated and remade in english. The Hollywood movies dont like to leave the audience with questions as I see it :) Still they make for good entertainment where you dont have to worry about the movie setting your mind too much into motion :o

As a ghost, the only things that connects them to this world is whatever the ghosts might have loved here. Poltergeists are probably angry ghosts, that felt their life wasnt as it was supposed to be. In my experience, ghosts can touch us and other things, if they believe it possible. Problem is they cant see anything, unless some living being lets them see it. I guess they might use animals as conduits as well. Anger and determination helps the ghosts to be able to keep contact here. Im not sure, but they might "forget" feelings over time. Maybe they can become pure anger or something. Seems illogical though... but terming something of this as illogical when it comes to ghosts...

Is illogical even a word? Im not good at expressing myself, because I sometimes just make up words to explain things. These subjects arent easy to be factual about. Hope this could give some insight though.

Another theory of mine is that a ghost might be a kinda of memory, that has imprinted itself on our timeline, as it is fading away. Maybe they might just dissolve if they dont move on to their own plane and maybe renew themselves there.

[kblood]

Another thing: I think the soul is our bodies link to our spirit. Im not really sure wether we have seperate spirits, or wether spirits are something that connects several people. They live on a high plane of existance, that is all I know.

[bigus_dickus]

yes yes i agree, that's pretty much what i said in my posts! that what we call ghost, is the soul, or portions of the soul, that is the same thing that we are too.

so let's get rid of the superstitions and the fear and having to know about who died and what he did and if the cat is going to help to make the bad spirits go away.

yes, maybe they are emotionally attached souls of previous lives that are damning themselves for what they did, so maybe what they need most is to be loved and they don't know how to get that. maybe we bring them, when we have bad thoughts about these people.. for example, we hear that there was a murder in the house and that that people all died and think the horror and the fear and if we believe in ghosts we will be scared of the house. even the slightest noise will be about the ghosts. maybe we make those thought forms manifest with our own minds and create for us a reality that becomes insane.

we create these concepts and everything we think or fear about them.. we can also make them disappear, by shifting our reality. ghosts are thought forms, we can manifest whatever we fear most whether we remember it or not, mostly the childhood fears, so our ghosts always have something personal to do with us. what if i say that i can see your spirit inside you.. isn't that true that you are spirit? but you don't really know if i can see it or not, it's left to your imagination and mine. it's kind of like the same thing with ghosts too. i don't see them, they are unreal in my reality, i see alive people.

[kblood]

Thanks for that reply :) You have seemed a bit hard headed in previous posts. Now I can see you just dont babble away as much as I do :o

[kblood]

Thanks for that reply :) You have seemed a bit hard headed in previous posts. Now I can see you just dont babble away as much as I do :o

Btw... Im not sure if babble is a word :confused: Hope it makes sense.

[logic bomb]

my grandmother. she was a healer, she lived by the sea, she used to crack me up cause she'd say that no matter what ill health you had you gotta go for a swim. the sea water washes all the bad and infected away.

This is actually very effective, especially against electromagnetic pollution accumulated by the body/bodies.

If you are serious then buy some natural salt, mix with water and place in 4 jars at each corner of your property. You can use the left over salt for a nice bath.

lb

[nickatnoon61]

the thing is, it's not about what shottie is telling the kid. it's more about what she is telling him! the important thing i think is, to listen. just like you say mariag there is no need to lie to them. especially in these times when it seems to me most kids know more than their parents already.

Shottie: keep us posted will you?

Wite on Wabbit!!!! The Indigo Children are here to help us shift, and the Loomie agenda is to medicate and dumb them down, like the rest of us sheeple!!!! baaaaaaaaa humbug, I say!!!!:eek:

[nickatnoon61]

This is actually very effective, especially against electromagnetic pollution accumulated by the body/bodies.

If you are serious then buy some natural salt, mix with water and place in 4 jars at each corner of your property. You can use the left over salt for a nice bath.

lb


Thanx Logic Bomb, I heard about that idea a few years back by a Shaman Dude, here in Canada. You can also hang crystals in all the corners, inside the house. It helps the natural energy to flow thru an unnatural square home. That is why the Natives lived in round teepees! BTW I use Himalayan Crystal Salt. Also go to Sherry Shriner's website, or Don Croft's for Chembusters etc. :)

[auron]

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[oceanwave]

She has just seen 3 things in the bedroom. Came into me crying saying she saw three things when i turned the light out. She is only 5 yrs old and she get really scared.

Last week something told her to 'ssshhh' when she was on the toilet.
I have been living at my flat for about 9 months. The previous owner died in hospital not long before i moved in.

Is there a way to ward them off? I dont want to be negative, i dont even mind sharing (ghosts have as much right to be here as me and mine) but i want them to leave my girl alone...


I have told her to say that she 'loves it' if it happens again when i am not their but i wouldnt want her to provoke it in anyway....



Any help will be greatly apprecitated.

P.S. I have a black cat if this helps, or the opposite!

without reading any of the replies, so apologies in advance...

give the child something to believe in, thus focussing her personal power to ward off anything she does not wish to be in her personal space

[cruise4]

Teach her to use a Video camera!

[kblood]

Teach her to use a Video camera!

Not easy to get these things on camera. I once got alot of stuff recorded on camera, but then regretted it and had the recordings destroyed. I fear becomming an outcast or something I guess. I dont want to be different. Recordings wont show anything unless they... well, I guess it could show a thing or two, depending on what she makes them do.

[infinitely free]

the thing is they wont look into it deeply.. because modern science shows us that they could easily exist.... there is a way for them to exist.... but they are not really keen on people learning all this...

Or, put it that way - our subconscious mind ain't 'keen on' us 'learning all this...'

As David icke says, our subconscious mind is our horse that's gone wild, on us!
***
'Ghosts' can also be friends or relatives that have 'died'. Ultimately,we are all part of the One Mind. This One Mind is expressed in our subconscious mind!
Hence, 'ghosts' are part of us!

You can also put it that way - if shottie's daughter (for whatever reason) decides that the 'ghosts' are malignant, she would 'throw' the idea at them, and they would respond accordingly, i. e malignantly, because she would be creating that 'reality'!

The same principle applies for children and adults, alike!

[kblood]

You can also put it that way - if kblood's daughter (for whatever reason) decides that the 'ghosts' are malignant, she would 'throw' the idea at them, and they would respond accordingly, i. e malignantly!

Don't know if i make sense!?

Ehm. Sorry, I just answered the post. I dont have any children of my own. I just gave my answer to it, since I know abit about ghosts. So I will try to answer this as well :)

Yes, I believe that to be true. Ghosts are very likely to just reflect our emotions since they might not have an emotional range as we know it. They could come to us being angry though, I believe. Mostly sad I think though. That probably is the most common ghost feeling, as they are most likely probably lost in some way.

[carlg1212]

Yes... I just use ghost to make it more easier to explain. I havent seen any that was truly spirit though. They all have seemed like being spirits all their life. Except some shadows I have seen, not sure about them. Maybe they are these Illuminati. Only ones that fit the evilness theme. They mostly seemed like servants or something though. Maybe if I could find someone who knows how to use the necronomicon to find me something powerfull and see what they are capable off :rolleyes: So far I havent seen any that even tried doing any resistance against me, unless they were maybe newly dead and didnt want to realise it. Over time they do seem to forgot their body though, so I guess spirits that haunts houses simply try to keep being able to cling to this plane. They are possible trying to show others that they arent dead.

I think most evil spirits are just very misunderstood beings. Guess they can get angry and vengefull though. Jealus most of all. I have tried being out of body experience like. Seems very much like being totally blind, deaf and so on. You simply have to act on instinct and what you remember from your body. I remember seeking out a friend and possessing him a bit to get some help. I thought I was about to leave though. Guess it wasnt my time yet though.

There are beings vibrating on a different wavelength, some of which are known as "ghosts". There are the "illuminated ones", who are also vibrating on a different wavelength. Sometimes, people get "bad vibes" from other people who are "negative thinkers".

It's all about vibrations. "Ghosts" are vibrating at a different wavelength. When you don't show fear and confront them, they seem to go away.