How would you actually sort things out?

[disorder2k8]

How would you unite the world and make it a better place? To even be a benevolent dictator if you have to!

I dare you to find real solutions to running the world, uniting mankind and getting us into space and stop pissing around all the time and whinging.

Will it involve abolishing currency or do we need a token or a medium of exhange to place a 'value' on it (again unimportant in the grand scheme of things)

It needs to start with communities.. but I seldom see a functional one here, and that saddens me.

What else can we do? Freeman stuff is good but everyone needs to know more about what they cant and can do.

Everyone who I've been in a car with both simultaniously drive appallingly and complain at the way others are driving.. I think this is the attitude a lot of us will have

[xxxx]

i'd do a one world goverment with a universal language, abolish money and borders, abolish nationalism and anyone who didn't want to live in my utopia i'd either shoot or send to live in penal colony australia.

[bendoon]

i'd do a one world goverment with a universal language, abolish money and borders, abolish nationalism and anyone who didn't want to live in my utopia i'd either shoot or send to live in penal colony australia.

Isn't that what the Rotschilds are planning ?

[measle_weasel]

A benevolent dictatorship makes the most sense, though instituting an effective one is nigh impossible. For one, you would need to find an incorruptable leader, and for two, that leader would need to have sufficient and wisdom and intelligence to both make the correct decisions in any given circumstance, and also be able to efficiently implement their idea with little to no governmental delegation, as in, "Follow my orders to the letter, and consult me if any problems arise". Thirdly, they would need total compliance from the vast majority of their subjects.

To do all this, it seems you need something like an... an... anti-Anti-Christ....

[999i]

if you really reflect on it, the nwo/illuminati are actually pretty weak

it's just because of ignorance and materialism that they can even exist

don't be afraid of them

their time is going to be over soon

[simplysimon]

Stop the ego from valuing different careers as being worth different pay levels.
Re-design the education system to start helping people find work that fills their souls each and every day.
Design a more natural use of our land, enabling people to return to it.
Provide fibre-optic cables to every single dwelling.
Focus on new energy creation and remove our dependence on highly polluting energy production.
Remove all forms of advertising.
Remove all non productive industries.
Provide basic inalienable rights to every human (water, shelter, food, freedom)
Re-write our legal system
Ensure that we live in a co-operative rather than competitive system.
Re-instate free speech.


Now, what to do on the second day? :D

[love life]

How would you unite the world and make it a better place? To even be a benevolent dictator if you have to!

I dare you to find real solutions to running the world, uniting mankind and getting us into space and stop pissing around all the time and whinging.

Will it involve abolishing currency or do we need a token or a medium of exhange to place a 'value' on it (again unimportant in the grand scheme of things)

It needs to start with communities.. but I seldom see a functional one here, and that saddens me.

What else can we do? Freeman stuff is good but everyone needs to know more about what they cant and can do.

Everyone who I've been in a car with both simultaniously drive appallingly and complain at the way others are driving.. I think this is the attitude a lot of us will have

My world is the most perfect place and it gets better with each passing moment. :)

How did I make this possible? By focusing only on what I want to experience within it. And if everyone did the same they'd also have a life that they wanted, too.

[sorath]

Stop the ego from valuing different careers as being worth different pay levels.
Re-design the education system to start helping people find work that fills their souls each and every day.
Design a more natural use of our land, enabling people to return to it.
Provide fibre-optic cables to every single dwelling.
Focus on new energy creation and remove our dependence on highly polluting energy production.
Remove all forms of advertising.
Remove all non productive industries.
Provide basic inalienable rights to every human (water, shelter, food, freedom)
Re-write our legal system
Ensure that we live in a co-operative rather than competitive system.
Re-instate free speech.


Now, what to do on the second day? :D

This reminds me alot of the Venus project.

Stopping all arms production and wars would be a really good start. Making sure that every mouth on the planet is fed.

[disorder2k8]

oh thanks for the answers, I didnt actually expect any.. looks like there are some innovative people after all


My idea for 'running' things, is to stop the profit based system, and to it totally voluntary for say 1-2 months at a time, when you 'serve' you are truly serving and not exploiting a situation to make yourself richer

people then volunteer for a month of leadership because they want to help and the same person is not allowed to use any situation for personal gain (audits and investigations might be necessary if anything bad happens)


total transparency is also a must, we need the democracy or choice making to fall back on the people fully

Yes the NWO only exists because we fuel it, but also because we dont do anything to work around it, unite and form communities where we care for each other like they do

[hawk]

Well, for one,I'd definitely bring back the bartering system becuz paper money or coin money ain't worth a shit.
And all politicians, would be fired and tried for treason and if they are found guilty, hung without an appeal.
There would be no more elections, because voting can be rigged. People would learn to actually think for themselves instead of looking to somebody else to so it for them. There would be free medical care regardless of anyone's circumstances.
Alot of the laws on the books would be rescinded permanently. People would have more freedom and the only laws we would need are ones to punish the ones who kill or something like that.
That's just for starters.
Food would be free, everything would be free, with no bills either. We would use the bartering system to trade for what we all needed.

[kanz]

Does anyone with an idea , have anyidea how they would get that stuff to work? It sound's good , but you would have to totally unproot this system and find a new one to take over it.

I also hope the one about the oneworld government was a joke :|.

[size_of_light]

How would you actually sort things out?

It's going to be incredibly difficult on a practical level, because even if we somehow managed to dismantle the systems of control and overthrow the controllers, the depth of brainwashing and psychological trauma they've subjected us all to would still be intact, and take generations (or much, much longer), to clear out and overcome.

In the meantime there would be a lot of chaos and upheaval and groups of people reverting to forms of behaviour that tried to emulate the elites and seize control for themselves.

I'd immediately call for a global amnesty that protected every member of the elite and all of their cronies from prosecution for any of their crimes, on the condition that they worked with and for humanity, and revealed all they knew about advanced technology and esoteric knowledge to the public in a gradual, responsible and transparent way. This would include everything they know about programming (or more importantly deprogramming), and social control.

Maybe offer to spend a few trillion dollars building them a kick-ass virtual reality island paradise where all (let's say) 20,000 of them could live out the rest of their lives in total pleasure, murdering and raping holograms to their hearts content, while the rest of us then rolled up our sleeves and got down to cleaning the world up with what they know.

I think that would be worth a try and it would only work if a genuine offer of amnesty was put on the table.

If the choice we faced was to either forgive and free the world, or hate and spiral on down into hell with these madmen, which would you choose?

[loderlive]

An unlimited free energy source without need for trade or barter.

A voluntary society, where we contribute what we are able to do at all times.

[decim]

Infinite resources for all.

No more problems.

[bradstone]

Food would be free

If somebody has to put in the effort to grow it, how can it be free?

[bradstone]

[LIST]
Stop the ego from valuing different careers as being worth different pay levels.

If you forget the money system that is in place, some functions are more valuable/more specialised than others, as they are difficult to come by. Therefore it is reasonable to demand more in return.

If for example you have a commune-type system, and you need a guy to install a sophisticated irrigation system because you can't do it - if you tell him to do it for a bag of chips, he would rightly tell you to go F yourself.

That's not ego. It's recognising that some skills are more valuable than others. If you don't do that, then the guy won't show up to install the system.

[red_ram]

The new law being thus:

Respect the lives and property of others.

Then, I would remove all artificial barriers to communities that prevent them from growing their own food and extracting their own water.

[flyermay]

If you forget the money system that is in place, some functions are more valuable/more specialised than others, as they are difficult to come by. Therefore it is reasonable to demand more in return.

If for example you have a commune-type system, and you need a guy to install a sophisticated irrigation system because you can't do it - if you tell him to do it for a bag of chips, he would rightly tell you to go F yourself.

That's not ego. It's recognising that some skills are more valuable than others. If you don't do that, then the guy won't show up to install the system.

And that's exactly what is wrong with the world, that he would be far more worried about his personal benefit from installing an irrigation system than feeding dozens of people with it.

Another example: doctors are more worried about they wages than saving patients.

And another: politicians more worried about their second home or swimingpoll than their citizens.

And on, and on, and on....

Thank you Money for our corporate world!!!

[simplysimon]

If you forget the money system that is in place, some functions are more valuable/more specialised than others, as they are difficult to come by. Therefore it is reasonable to demand more in return.

If for example you have a commune-type system, and you need a guy to install a sophisticated irrigation system because you can't do it - if you tell him to do it for a bag of chips, he would rightly tell you to go F yourself.

That's not ego. It's recognising that some skills are more valuable than others. If you don't do that, then the guy won't show up to install the system.

In my opinion this is absolutely ego. Who fixes their car? Who collects their rubbish? Who grows their food or serves them a cup of coffee or makes them their clothes?

Are these things any less important to life?

But the ego fills them with importance and makes them believe that they are special because of what they do.

Nobody will ever remember them for the amount of money they earned, but they will be remembered for their kindness, love and treatment of others.

[oceanwave]

How would you unite the world and make it a better place? To even be a benevolent dictator if you have to!

I dare you to find real solutions to running the world, uniting mankind and getting us into space and stop pissing around all the time and whinging.

Will it involve abolishing currency or do we need a token or a medium of exhange to place a 'value' on it (again unimportant in the grand scheme of things)

It needs to start with communities.. but I seldom see a functional one here, and that saddens me.

What else can we do? Freeman stuff is good but everyone needs to know more about what they cant and can do.

Everyone who I've been in a car with both simultaniously drive appallingly and complain at the way others are driving.. I think this is the attitude a lot of us will have

if you gave me power...

i'd absolve all power (law)...



...terrifying isn't it?...

[sloppy]

First of all I would devise a plan for the people, a goal. House and feed everyone no matter what. Everyone must pull together and sort our basic problems first.

Set up communities where people could thrive with using different skill sets.

Educate people in things that matter, give them a choice... they dont have to learn if they dont want too. Make sure to promote the idea of learning, not for a job, not for money, but for your brothers and sisters.

Everyone would be a policeman and everybody has the duty to protect.

Set up a place where people can discuss problems and vote on each and every idea (best place probably the net).

Make sure there is a plan in place if things go pair shaped.

DISBAND MY GOVERNMENT. Freedom!xD

[disorder2k8]

In my opinion this is absolutely ego. Who fixes their car? Who collects their rubbish? Who grows their food or serves them a cup of coffee or makes them their clothes?

Are these things any less important to life?

But the ego fills them with importance and makes them believe that they are special because of what they do.

Nobody will ever remember them for the amount of money they earned, but they will be remembered for their kindness, love and treatment of others.

very true, not everything needs to have value, there are loads of volunteer workers out there who show us that things can be done without taking anything or expecting anything in return

[drael]

Main thing is get rid of centralisation, and monies value being determined for selfish virtues.

Give much more monetary motive for community contribution, including charity. (ideally a mix with some money for skill). This mentality makes life much richer for people, much more community oriented. Even little things like public art, or music events make life better for all. Fund it with community owned automated factories and machines (can do approximately 30% of all unskilled labour, but currently all such benefit goes to greedy corporates). Make community centred life - by giving benefits to and from people who provide local services (a doctor who give a dsicount to local people gets a tax break, or a part of community profits), and by limiting new building after a certain point - also by connecting everywhere with high speed electric train, so seperate communities are less seperate. This would be like a network of small towns, with nature in between, the global village made real.

Democracy would be scraped. Replace with a education/expert supported direct democracy. Education improved decision making by the people. Politicians would be mere servants to public decree, and not make ANY decisions, except in the event of war. (The possibility of war, even in a peaceful world always exists)

Instill new virtues in constitution - Wisdom, long-vision, community, social contribution, awareness of the enviroment and a connection of meaningfulness with nature.

Make ideology of religions blended. Have combined temples. Not sure how to acheive that one in a non-facist way, perhaps just by providing shared temples.

And ive many many many more ideas which can completely change the world.

But until people recognise that there is a problem, and realise there are many possible solutions previously untried these ideas are pointless. For example many people think the only two options for money are communism and capitalism, it doesnt occur to people that money can be valued on many different things, all of which are still motivating. And people dont often realise that its currently possible to do 30% of work via machines, generating massive profit for social benefit and saving people labour. People will say that utopian but dont realise its already happening but instead of community profit, people lose their jobs to machines and corporations profit. Take for example clothes - all clothes can be made cheaply by machines. Food can be heavily automated. Simple machinery can be fully automated....and so on...A power generating factory needs only a technician to fix broken parts.

Much of the problem is really deep resistance to change and ignorance.

Oh and remove the idea of land ownership. The land belongs to itself. Disputes could be arbitrated and land shared out evenly amongst citizens for their houses. Theres no reason at all why something we dont produce should be able to be horded by some individuals because of bits of paper.

It would also be wise to actively track resource levels and aim for sustainable living. (hence no cars, just electric trains). Things that arent sustainable like mining would be limited to allow for regeneration. (plastic can be used, hemp or wood in most cases, metal is only really nessasary for electronics, and such metal can be mostly recycled)

[octopusrex]

How would you unite the world and make it a better place? To even be a benevolent dictator if you have to!

I dare you to find real solutions to running the world, uniting mankind and getting us into space and stop pissing around all the time and whinging.

Will it involve abolishing currency or do we need a token or a medium of exhange to place a 'value' on it (again unimportant in the grand scheme of things)

It needs to start with communities.. but I seldom see a functional one here, and that saddens me.

What else can we do? Freeman stuff is good but everyone needs to know more about what they cant and can do.

Everyone who I've been in a car with both simultaniously drive appallingly and complain at the way others are driving.. I think this is the attitude a lot of us will have

Hmm.

I'll bite.

1. No need for any form of document to establish identity and free travel to any place on earth guaranteed by the security force.

2. Only a little 10% fee upfront tribute of anything earned for such worldwide right.

For starters.:D

[ozpixie]

If processes were implemented that allowed people to re-contact their spiritual energy there would be no need for any of the structures and burdens we currently live under. My question is how, and why this clumsy, inefficient and chaotic human experience originated?

[decode reality]

How would you unite the world and make it a better place? To even be a benevolent dictator if you have to!

I dare you to find real solutions to running the world, uniting mankind and getting us into space and stop pissing around all the time and whinging.

Will it involve abolishing currency or do we need a token or a medium of exhange to place a 'value' on it (again unimportant in the grand scheme of things)

It needs to start with communities.. but I seldom see a functional one here, and that saddens me.

What else can we do? Freeman stuff is good but everyone needs to know more about what they cant and can do.

Everyone who I've been in a car with both simultaniously drive appallingly and complain at the way others are driving.. I think this is the attitude a lot of us will have

I feel it first needs to start with ourselves as individuals. Sorting our own lives out. Resolving our own "stuff" or working on resolving it.

Also, it takes recognition that things AREN'T right. Many people believe the problems are as good as solved, or at least on their way to being solved, simply because Obama is in office. The people who will laugh or pour ridicule on us as "paranoid conspiracy theorists'. These people are probably pose a bigger immediate obstacle to a just planet than all the secret societies combined. But they can't be forced to believe- and we've all tried at one time or another, haven't we?;)

We can only start with self and share the info with others unconditionally. Perhaps some will then see the validity in the alternative that's on offer.

[nayan]

One world governemet not one world language, world religion, world bank etc. I'd say everyone gets equal wages. I know alot of people say get rid of money but it's not the right time at the moment, maybe soon we'll find a way to unite.

[love life]

Infinite resources for all.

No more problems.

Infinite resource is a Universal Constant. The issue for many is their belief in "problems", and it's said belief which keeps them looking elsewhere for what they already have.

[love life]

My question is how, and why this clumsy, inefficient and chaotic human experience originated?

It's worth noting that some people do thrive within that which you believe to be chaotic.

Fundamentally people asked for their lives to unfold in the way you describe. They focused their mind and emotions on what they didn't have and their bogus reasoning as to why this was so. Thereby they brought more of it into their lives.

Refocusing the way we think and more importantly feel about our experiences is the only way in which sustainable change can be implimented. And we don't need everyone to agree with how we believe our world should be experienced.

Concentrate on what you want and let everyone else do the same for themselves. Ignore that which does not please you.

[bradstone]

In my opinion this is absolutely ego. Who fixes their car? Who collects their rubbish? Who grows their food or serves them a cup of coffee or makes them their clothes?

Are these things any less important to life?

But the ego fills them with importance and makes them believe that they are special because of what they do.

Nobody will ever remember them for the amount of money they earned, but they will be remembered for their kindness, love and treatment of others.

Exactly. Which is just wishful thinking. Some lazier people will take highly skilled people for granted and take the piss out of them for working so hard, for little benefit.

Imagine working really hard for something (with good intentions) and then the rest of the world expects you to do it for them free of charge, repaying you with a sneer and a bag of chips.

Your idea is unworkable.

[bradstone]

And that's exactly what is wrong with the world, that he would be far more worried about his personal benefit from installing an irrigation system than feeding dozens of people with it.

Another example: doctors are more worried about they wages than saving patients.

And another: politicians more worried about their second home or swimingpoll than their citizens.

And on, and on, and on....

Thank you Money for our corporate world!!!

So the same guy should be expected to do a really difficult job for around 50,000 people, because there is nobody else in the vicinity who has the skills. Just out of the kindness of his own heart?

I'm not sure with the argument about doctors. They have skills that most people don't and work extremely long hours or are on call. Why should their pay not reflect that?

[hunter77]

One world governemet not one world language, world religion, world bank etc. I'd say everyone gets equal wages. I know alot of people say get rid of money but it's not the right time at the moment, maybe soon we'll find a way to unite.

nice idea, in a way i agree but the person who has to work harder or think more for there money or food will allways kick off.

as i say not against the idea at all, but peoples ideas must be changed before there wages:)

[size_of_light]

Exactly. Which is just wishful thinking. Some lazier people will take highly skilled people for granted and take the piss out of them for working so hard, for little benefit.

Imagine working really hard for something (with good intentions) and then the rest of the world expects you to do it for them free of charge, repaying you with a sneer and a bag of chips.

Your idea is unworkable.

You (and others) might be interested taking a look at the Parecon (Participatory Economy) model.

Here's an excerpt from wikipedia on work and compensation, but to get a proper understanding go to the links at the bottom, or Google: Michael Albert + Parecon, as the full vision is fleshed out in a lot of detail.

Compensation for effort and sacrifice

Albert and Hahnel argue that it is inequitable and ineffective to compensate people on the basis of their birth or heredity, their property, or their innate intelligence. Therefore, the primary principle of participatory economics is to reward for effort and sacrifice.[citation needed] For example, mining work — which is dangerous and uncomfortable — would be more highly paid than office work for the same amount of time, thus allowing the miner to work fewer hours for the same pay, and the burden of highly dangerous and strenuous jobs to be shared among the populace.

Additionally, participatory economics could provide a certain leeway for exemptions from the compensation for effort principle.[citation needed] It was suggested that people with disabilities who are unable to work, children, the elderly, the infirm and workers who are legitimately in transitional circumstances, can be remunerated according to need. However, every able adult has the obligation to perform some socially useful work as a requirement for receiving reward, albeit in the context of a society providing free health care, education, skills training, and the freedom to choose between various democratically structured workplaces with jobs balanced for desirability and empowerment.

The starting point for the income of all workers in participatory economics is an equal share of the social product. From this point, incomes for private expenditures and consumption rights for public goods can be expected to diverge by small degrees reflecting the choices that individual workers make in striking a balance between work and leisure time, and reflecting the level of dangerous and strenuous of a job as assigned by their immediate peers.

Participatory economics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[simplysimon]

Exactly. Which is just wishful thinking. Some lazier people will take highly skilled people for granted and take the piss out of them for working so hard, for little benefit.

Imagine working really hard for something (with good intentions) and then the rest of the world expects you to do it for them free of charge, repaying you with a sneer and a bag of chips.

Your idea is unworkable.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I have 25+ years training in a certain field and am regarded as an expert. I can command well above average salaries approaching £100,000 a year. I would give my efforts to an equitable society gladly. Your opinion of my idea is unworkable, perhaps you could step outside the box and see that the humblest jobs on the planet are still essential.

[flyermay]

So the same guy should be expected to do a really difficult job for around 50,000 people, because there is nobody else in the vicinity who has the skills. Just out of the kindness of his own heart?

Well, if helping 50,000 people in one go isn't rewarding enough, what is?

You might think that everyone in this world just works because they look for an economic benefit, but you would be surprised of how many people work harder than anyone else and even risk their lives just to help others and to try to make the world a better place. Also they are many that do it for less altruistic reason like self-fulfilment and further development.

Money just motivates the greedy, not the skilled!

I'm not sure with the argument about doctors. They have skills that most people don't and work extremely long hours or are on call. Why should their pay not reflect that?

Again, if saving lives isn't rewards enough, what is?

Besides, if doctors have to be on call for extremely long hours is due to our corporate system that forces workers to do whatever they're asked under the premise of a better future position and a higher salary. Doctors are not on call for altruistic reasons (that's for sure).

But either way, do you really think that being a doctor is harder than getting out of bed at 4am to start cleaning the streets?

[elixirsoo]

How would you unite the world and make it a better place?

If this was asked of me as an individual who had sole power over everything, my answer would be to tell the TRUTH.

At present we are facing a world food shortage. Crop failures due to weather conditions and the switch to growing bio-fuels have already ensured that.

About three years ago I would have invested heavily in local power generation and food production in what are termed developed countries. Populations would have been moved to water instead of the other way around.

People, when left to their own devices, without external manipulation are very adept at organising into communities. Anyone who has attended the Glastonbury Festival has seen it in action. Without the constraints of religious dogma we could have evolved into something wonderful. As it stands we are fractured by sexual repression, guilt and all kinds of other sh*te, frantically sticking labels on each other as if it mattered!

Oh well, just some thoughts I had on the OP....