Video: Twin Tower Deception & Demolition I and II

[matrixcutter]

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I and II, by Christopher A. Brown

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (9mins 55s)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (6mins 20s)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition begins to expose with forensic evidence the deception surrounding the design and construction of the Twin Towers. The towers did not have 47 steel core columns in the core. The core was a steel reinforced cast concrete tube. The producers information comes from a missing video documentary produced by PBS in 1987 and broadcast on cable in 1990 called "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers. It provides the only logical explanations in existence which are realistic, feasible and credible for; free fall, total pulverization, superfine heated concrete particulate, smooth, square cut column ends and the heaving of heavy steel assemblies for hundreds of feet; that are on the web. In 2 parts it has a total length of about 16 minutes. Produced by Christopher A. Brown in July of 2,007

[christophera]

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I and II, by Christopher A. Brown

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (9mins 55s)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (6mins 20s)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

matrixcutter,

Thank you so much for posting those links. It is really good to see that there are people about who actually look into the tytpes of 9-11 information available and can discern when there are extensive uses of raw evidence to draw conclusion based in reason.

Indeed, FEMA did fully misrepresent the Twin Towers to the world and that misrepresentation is now the basis of a successful ruse exploiting American military power to conduct war in the middle east.

The issue of the towers core is actually at the basis of a full derailment of the 9-11 truth movement.

It comes down to the defalut, quasi leadership supporting the impossible to obscure the possible. None of them have an explanation for;

free fall
total pulverization
superfine/heated particulate
smooth, square cut end of steel columns
the heaving of massive steel assemblies hundreds of feet

And they are not accountable to that fact.

[368jrn]

So matrixcutter, you found the link I posted in the "Defending the Dollar " thread informative, eh? Nice 1.:)

[christophera]

So matrixcutter, you found the link I posted in the "Defending the Dollar " thread informative, eh? Nice 1.:)

Yes, that was good, but I should thank you as well too perhaps, as you apparently first brought that link to this forum.
I am the author/producer of http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html and "Twin Tower Deception and Demolition (TTDD) and seek at all times, any way to get this information to people who have the basic experience and knowledge of structures, materials and engineering to be able to recognize what is a very technical presentation covering a wide variety of subjects and properly using the forensic evidence of still images from a practical systems, science perspective.

Do you have some such experience?

[368jrn]

Hi there christophera, no i have no formal qualifications , but having watched many hours of the towers collapse, one can only come to the conclusion that each and every floor was demolished individually, come to that, each and every individual section of each floor was demolished individually, ie total pulverization. It would not have been possible to "plant" all these required explosive, they would have to have been integral to the building. I remember reading somewhere that during construction of the twin towers, when it came to "welding" the individual floor sections, the usual army of workers was not used, that job was given to a specialist team. Very strange. These buildings were built with future demolition in mind, it may have been that feature that the "shadow" government turned to its advantage, or that may have been the only ultimate purpose of their existence.:)

[chattanova]

I am the author/producer of http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html and "Twin Tower Deception and Demolition (TTDD)

What a incredible informative page you got there christophera. Thanks:) I will do mine to spread this around to all i know.

[matrixcutter]

So matrixcutter, you found the link I posted in the "Defending the Dollar " thread informative, eh? Nice 1.:)
Yes, but I think I posted the video links before that (I haven't checked). I saw these links on myspace.

P.S. You're welcome Christopher.

[christophera]

Yes, but I think I posted the video links before that (I haven't checked). I saw these links on myspace.

P.S. You're welcome Christopher.

Yes, you saw them on myspace. Two of my threads presenting the links were deleted there and one by another member was removed. Currently no threads on demolition will remain. I have a thread on the FEMA deception on the core which is remaining.

[christophera]

Hi there christophera, no i have no formal qualifications , but having watched many hours of the towers collapse, one can only come to the conclusion that each and every floor was demolished individually, come to that, each and every individual section of each floor was demolished individually, ie total pulverization. It would not have been possible to "plant" all these required explosive, they would have to have been integral to the building. I remember reading somewhere that during construction of the twin towers, when it came to "welding" the individual floor sections, the usual army of workers was not used, that job was given to a specialist team. Very strange. These buildings were built with future demolition in mind, it may have been that feature that the "shadow" government turned to its advantage, or that may have been the only ultimate purpose of their existence.:)


Formal or not, your evaluations are qualified by common knowledge. This video supports your expressions of the floor by floor demolition.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

From the "Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" I learned that the floors were evacuated before concrete was poured right after sandblasting the steel panels. The video actually had footage in BW 16mm original that showed crews jogging through the dimly lit core during evacuations.

Currently the final subterfuge sabotage of the truth movement slithers through the subculture media of talk radio on the web as well as in new, slick release of DVD.

Essentialy we have defacto support of the FEMA deception of 47 steel core columns by the quasi leadership of 9-11. Essentially this amounts to support of the impossible to obscure the possible. I have spent some time informing these personalities of the concrete core and no acknowledgement comes back to me. It seems a pretty willfull act.

My information is being dissed as "boring", so more popular radio shows are avoiding it. Of course it is technical, but that is its nature and to suggest the truth is boring, when it might protect ones future is not quite competent. What is competent is to engage the technology by co review with more specialized people. But that is not happening.

What is happening is that the quasi authority indirectly supports the impossible by ommission of recognition of the concrete core and the FEMA deceptions, when making no comment on the nonsense "nuke" and "space beam" theories that are thusly given prominance. When intelligent and informed people hear these things, they reject the entire truth movement as nonsense and move to forget the entire issue.

The obvious incompetence of ignoring all the factors that point to a deception regarding the structure must be decried and exposed if the truth is to serve us.

[christophera]

What a incredible informative page you got there christophera. Thanks:) I will do mine to spread this around to all i know.

Very good! Encourage people to call into web radio shows and comment upon the lack of exposure on the FEMA core lie that the visible truth movement has suffered and what that is doing to the quest for truth.


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[serpentoffire]

Easy task to calculate the Twin Towers collapse using this technology

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/th_610.jpg

Start the video here:

http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/?action=view&current=610.flv

[christophera]

Easy task to calculate the Twin Towers collapse using this technology

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/th_610.jpg

Start the video here:



What collapse? The twin towers did not look like that. No resemblence at all, they even stood plumb.

Clearly, by the uses of raw evidence, images of the Twins coming down on 9-11, a much more realistic perspective on the event is gained here.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

[christophera]

What a incredible informative page you got there christophera. Thanks:) I will do mine to spread this around to all i know.

Thank you!

I was waiting for over a year trying to find a source good video clips for the video "Twin Tower, Decption and Demolition" but couldn't find any with good res so I just did my best to assemble the highest res stills I could from the images shown on my web site.

One of my favorite aspects of the analysis I was able to develop explains the consistent phenomena of a valley which forms between the building faces and associated debris waves coming from them. I feel it is quite conclusive, but then again that comes from someone who has studied the performance of high explosives also having a laymans engineering background. This page details it.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11corexplosions.html#anchor1410743

It explains the red and yellow lines on this image.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexplodinglines.jpg

[sunyatta60]

On you Tube there was a short clip about Scot Forbes who worked in the twin towers he talks of a power down which is when they planted the Thermite that helped demolition the buildings. That film was removed by you tube but here is another film in whihc he is talking about it. Just in case people don't know here, Marvin Bush a younger brother of W Bush was in charge of the company that was responsible for the security of the towers.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.




"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." —
Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World
War II

[christophera]

"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." —
Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World
War II

Very good. Was it goering and hitler that came up with the saying, "The bigger the lie the easier it is to believe", or somthing like that?

[sunyatta60]

Very good. Was it goering and hitler that came up with the saying, "The bigger the lie the easier it is to believe", or somthing like that?


I don't know but you might be refering to this prat :)


``The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so
monstrous he cannot believe it exists.''
J. Edgar Hoover, 1956,

[christophera]

I don't know but you might be refering to this prat :)


``The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so
monstrous he cannot believe it exists.''
J. Edgar Hoover, 1956,

Exactly, deception so huge and widespread that its existence is not credible. The normally credible adjacent references are also deceptions making the entire picture so distorted that no logical conjecture can be extended to the central subject.

[shodan]

North Tower Blueprints

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html

[christophera]

North Tower Blueprints

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html

Those were not used for construction. They were preliminary plans created by Leslie Robertson sent to Minoru Yamasaki for evaluation. He rejected the steel core column design and utilized a steel reinforced cast concrete core.

Those plans are scans of blueprints of the originals that have been digitaly faked by adding revision tables scanned from other plans and copying then pasting them into the Robertson preliminaries after mixing and distributing individual cells of dates, bullet details and initial in an attempt to make the preliminaries appear as actual working drawings. After that they were compressed and expanded so that the dimensions would be unreadable enabling other sources to supplant erroneous dimensions to cover for the thick concrete walls at the base of the core.

They are faked and here is an analysis that shows perfectly straight pixelated lines inside the revision tables associated with characters that are supposed to be penciled revisions. The characters are not even letters or numbers.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11Disinfo_fakeplan.html

The specific sheet numbers are related to each analysis. You can download the sheets from links there or go to LERA - PLANS-022102 wherever you may find them on the web and examine the zoomed revision tables to see the fakery for yourself.

This image shows the actual precisely scaled dimension from the inside of the perimeter walls to the core face at the mezzanine level.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc_lobby_scaled.jpg

[shodan]

Those were not used for construction. They were preliminary plans created by Leslie Robertson sent to Minoru Yamasaki for evaluation. He rejected the steel core column design and utilized a steel reinforced cast concrete core.

Those plans are scans of blueprints of the originals that have been digitaly faked by adding revision tables scanned from other plans and copying then pasting them into the Robertson preliminaries after mixing and distributing individual cells of dates, bullet details and initial in an attempt to make the preliminaries appear as actual working drawings. After that they were compressed and expanded so that the dimensions would be unreadable enabling other sources to supplant erroneous dimensions to cover for the thick concrete walls at the base of the core.

They are faked and here is an analysis that shows perfectly straight pixelated lines inside the revision tables associated with characters that are supposed to be penciled revisions. The characters are not even letters or numbers.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11Disinfo_fakeplan.html

The specific sheet numbers are related to each analysis. You can download the sheets from links there or go to LERA - PLANS-022102 wherever you may find them on the web and examine the zoomed revision tables to see the fakery for yourself.

This image shows the actual precisely scaled dimension from the inside of the perimeter walls to the core face at the mezzanine level.

Nice, I am no expert at this level, I will certainly read through this and the links at some point, Disinformation is everywhere.

[christophera]

Nice, I am no expert at this level, I will certainly read through this and the links at some point, Disinformation is everywhere.

Exactly and it is wearing many different costumes. The 9-11 truth movement has been infiltrated by people who are being escalated to positions of influence and American truth seekers, using values learned from growing up in a world controlled by television, think that influence equals authority or authenticity.

In the world of 9-11 truth the only things that can be trusted are reason and evidence. No fact can be assumed as true without verification by comparison to hard evidence of some kind that is above misinterpretation by virtue of reason.

Thank you for being reasonable.

[shodan]

Exactly and it is wearing many different costumes. The 9-11 truth movement has been infiltrated by people who are being escalated to positions of influence and American truth seekers, using values learned from growing up in a world controlled by television, think that influence equals authority or authenticity.

In the world of 9-11 truth the only things that can be trusted are reason and evidence. No fact can be assumed as true without verification by comparison to hard evidence of some kind that is above misinterpretation by virtue of reason.

Thank you for being reasonable

Dude, thank you. The most important thing here is the truth. If your getting slagged off all over the Internet, yet you are speaking truth, then, well, you've absolutely cracked it and got nothing to worry about :)

My take on things: The first responders are dead, dying, being ignored, have legislation keeping them stump. Bush continues to a: make satanic hand signals just for fun, or b. is a satanist making hand signals.
David Shayler (and conveniently David Icke by default association) are suffering character asassination in THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

The Truth is coming out, thank fucking god, and I can't wait to read your links.


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"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not
behind the scenes." --Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England, in 1844.

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule
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"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
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"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether
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"All of us will ultimately be judged on the effort we have contributed to building a NEW WORLD ORDER."--Robert Kennedy, former U.S. Attorney-General, 1967.

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the
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"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

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President Harry Truman

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"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.."--
Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a

"Gun registration is not enough"--Attorney Generral Janet Reno--12-10-93--Associated Press

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms
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Reese-Orlando Sentinel

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sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
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in June of 1991

"From the days of Sparticus, Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, belacoon, Rosa Luxenberg and
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world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their
head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."--Winston Churchill to
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"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed
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States a member of a World Government ..." -- AMERICAN MERCURY MAGAZINE, December 1957, pg. 92.

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Council

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really the International Government of the United States and the Soviet Union acting in Unison."
From the American Jewish Committee's official magazine "Commentary" of Nov. 1958, Pg. 376

"War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevidable. Today of course, we are not
strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years...The Bourgeoisie will have to be
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There will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid
and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance
to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clentched fist."
Dimitry Z. Manuilsky in a speech made in 1931 before the Lenin School of Political Warfare.
(He became an officer of the U.N. Security Council in 1949)

"We must realize that we cannot co-exist eternally. One of us must go to his grave. We do not
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world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life
could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." -- Nicholas Murray Butler, in
an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

"The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon
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Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a
subscription letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919)

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete
understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that
time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of
mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase
of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of
all lands." -- Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations
(August 1927), quoted in the book "International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World"
(1931)

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be
very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system.
Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt
to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of
them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." -- H. G. Wells, in his book entitled "The New World
Order" (1939)

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial,
political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today
Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to
which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World
Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The
New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All
the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according
to the taste or training of the individual." -- excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of
Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General
Convention (October 1940)

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member without portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when
victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of 'justice
and peace.'" -- excerpt from article entitled "New World Order Pledged to Jews," in the New York Times
(October 1940)

"If totalitarianism wins this conflict, the world will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be slaves. If
democracy wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a commonwealth of free peoples, and
individuals, wherever found, will be the sovereign units of the new world order." -- The Declaration of the
Federation of the World, produced by the Congress on World Federation, adopted by the Legislatures of
North Carolina (1941), New Jersey (1942), Pennsylvania (1943), and possibly other states.

"New World Order Needed for Peace: State Sovereignty Must Go, Declares Notre Dame Professor" --
title of article in The Tablet (Brooklyn) (March 1942)

"Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight called for the early creation of an international
organization of anti-Axis nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at the end of
the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis." -- text of article in the
Philadelphia Inquirer (June 1942)

"The statement went on to say that the spiritual teachings of religion must become the foundation for the
new world order and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law of God." --
American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in the New York Times (December 1942)

"There are some plain common-sense considerations applicable to all these attempts at world planning.
They can be briefly stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order is, if properly
understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies grow far more truly than they are built. A
constitution for a new world order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper." -- Norman Thomas, in his
book "What Is Our Destiny" (1944)

"He [John Foster Dulles] stated directly to me that he had every reason to believe that the Governor
[Thomas E. Dewey of New York] accepts his point of view and that he is personally convinced that this
is the policy that he would promote with great vigor if elected. So it is fair to say that on the first round
the Sphinx of Albany has established himself as a prima facie champion of a strong and definite new
world order." -- excerpt from article by Ralph W. Page in the Philadelphia Bulletin (May 1944)

"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to
shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer
economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States
take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national
sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" -- Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in
an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World
Order" -- New York Times (February 1962)

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems
and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the
evolution of a new world order." -- Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

"He [President Nixon] spoke of the talks as a beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for
future contacts and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in
peace and building 'a new world order.'" -- excerpt from an article in the New York Times (February
1972)

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not
provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple
solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies,
not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as
was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and
pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to
deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be
built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing
confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national
sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."
-- Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

"The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind
can exert a positive role in shaping a new world order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture.
We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the next century and that the death throes of
the old and the birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species." -- Richard A. Falk, in
an article entitled "Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods and Drastic Visions," in the book "On
the Creation of a Just World Order" (1975)

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity,
that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this
chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us
fashion together a new world order." -- Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the
United Nations, October 1975)

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant
Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai
Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller
was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic
security but a new world order." -- part of article in the New York Times (November 1975)

"A New World Order" -- title of article on commencement address at the University of Pennsylvania by
Hubert H. Humphrey, printed in the Pennsylvania Gazette (June 1977)

"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement
towards a new world order." -- Mikhail Gorbachev, in an address at the United Nations (December 1988)

"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of the collapse of the
U.S.-Soviet antagonisms." -- Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in the Washington Post (May 1991)

"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the
strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston
Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period." -- Richard Gephardt, in the Wall Street Journal
(September 1990)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his
lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long
dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." -- President George Bush (January 1991)

"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a
convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that
they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." -- excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in the
New York Times (January 1991)

"I would support a Presidential candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the
war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order'
based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court." -- George
McGovern, in the New York Times (February 1991)

"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order'
root; F.D.R. used the phrase earlier." -- William Safire, in the New York Times (February 1991)

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order" -- article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in the Wall Street
Journal (April 1992)

"How to Achieve The New World Order" -- title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine
(March 1994)

"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of
our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New
World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund." -- part of full-page
advertisement by the government of Morocco in the New York Times (April 1994)

"New World Order: The Rise of the Region-State" -- title of article by Kenichi Ohmae, political reform
leader in Japan, in the Wall Street Journal (August 1994)

The "new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace
and prosperity for all." -- Nelson Mandela, in the Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)

The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was described as important "for the welfare of the whole world
and the new world order." -- President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in the New York Times (April 1995)

"Alchemy for a New World Order" -- article by Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June
1995)

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and
money." -- Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

[vienna]

Dude, thank you. The most important thing here is the truth. If your getting slagged off all over the Internet, yet you are speaking truth, then, well, you've absolutely cracked it and got nothing to worry about :)

My take on things: The first responders are dead, dying, being ignored, have legislation keeping them stump. Bush continues to a: make satanic hand signals just for fun, or b. is a satanist making hand signals.
David Shayler (and conveniently David Icke by default association) are suffering character asassination in THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

The Truth is coming out, thank fucking god, and I can't wait to read your links.


excellent quotes, i've heard anyone posting this info (the concrete core) on myspace and the 911truth forum gets you banned

I think we need to round the wagons in a circle and get serious about promoting chrisopera's info

[christophera]

Dude, thank you. The most important thing here is the truth. If your getting slagged off all over the Internet, yet you are speaking truth, then, well, you've absolutely cracked it and got nothing to worry about :)

My take on things: The first responders are dead, dying, being ignored, have legislation keeping them stump. Bush continues to a: make satanic hand signals just for fun, or b. is a satanist making hand signals.
David Shayler (and conveniently David Icke by default association) are suffering character asassination in THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

The Truth is coming out, thank fucking god, and I can't wait to read your links.

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up
to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"
--George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in1957.

shodan,

Thanks for those quotes. They show us that over a large period of time, quality, knowledgeable people have been working to create an awareness of a huge problem.

Cracking the nut is just the beginning, or the point where others can see into the meat of the matter. The next step is to convince people that the subtance of the truth needs to be incorporated into the recipe for change. Then, .......... the proper sequence of ingredients, and cooking time must control the kitchen or the meal will not provide the nourishment which is needed.

[blackerj]

Hi,

Please go to the following original construction video of the twin towers back in the 1960s.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3135892053682639810&hl=en


You will see 47 Massive Steel Core Columns as the towers are built.


Surrounding these were reinforced concrete.

For more good video see:-

http://drjudywood.com/videos/videos.html

For more science details and Physics proof & Paper see:

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/st911-scientist-to-sue-bbc-for-public-deception/776/

For Architects and engineers who have the actual blueprints for you to see:

http://www.ae911truth.org/contacted.php

Kind regards

J A Blacker MSc IMI (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

[shodan]

Cracking post, cheers. (and welcome)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, BlackerJ:

Thank You!, for providing excellent empirical evidence of the Core Columns.

The Book: Men of Steel Author: Karl Koch III, owner of Firm that erected the steel. Empirical evidence of construction of Towers.

Thousands of people participated in the construction, and thousands more witnessed construction, how could anyone 'push' the concrete core position?

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[blackerj]

Hi,

Check these 3 links out and see construction photos and also photos of CC after the demolition 911.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/construction.html



http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc12consenr.html



http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/eng-news-record.htm


Even if the towers were made of chewing gum they still should not have fallen in 10 seconds, any falling body never, ever, takes the path of most resistance it is a Physical Impossibility, hence 911 was a demolition.

TTFN

JB (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

[blackerj]

Hi,

This may explain why some claim reinforced steel & concert core - the wording of some Engineering sites are not clear, many say:-

reinforced steel core

Which gives the reader the wrong impression at first glance.

In addition there will be those who just peddle incorrect data for political or Agender gain such as agents of CIA, MI5 & 6 etc.


Hope this helps solve the misunderstanding.

[blackerj]

NIST claim there were 47 Large Steel CC

Indeed they tell you the dimensions.


http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


There were no CC on any photo during collapse sequence except some which appeared to turn to dust because they had been blown to kingdom come prior or during collapse. No doubt the core and foundations were the first thing to be blown.

Regardless of core, plastic core, chewing gum core, rubber core or no core or even Concrete core - 911 was a demolition due to the freefall decent. PERIOD.

TTFN

JB (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

[blackerj]

NIST claim there were 47 Large Steel CC

Indeed they tell you the dimensions.


http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


There were no CC on any photo during collapse sequence except some which appeared to turn to dust because they had been blown to kingdom come prior or during collapse. No doubt the core and foundations were the first thing to be blown.

Regardless of core, plastic core, chewing gum core, rubber core or no core or even Concrete core - 911 was a demolition due to the freefall decent. PERIOD.

TTFN

JB (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

Steel cannot be blown to dust without MAJOR explosions. What is not dust is shrapnel travelling 1,000 feet or so.

What we saw and heard was not possible with a steel core columns.
Support for steel core columns equals support for the impossible. Support for the impossible obscures the possible.


In your reality there were no core, fine. Why do you suppose the NIST website I forwarded stated clearly the dimensions of 47 CC? Do you claim NIST are lying about the 47 CC?

Have you even bothered to check out the link and watch any of their animations? Do you suppose NIST would claim there were 47CC if they did not exist?

Don't contact me directly again about anything to do with the cores - whatever you have to say put it directly onto the forum for everyone to see please.

And for your information:

There are technologies in development which can turn
material to dust by switching off the covalent & Ionic bonds , it is known as Particausation and is classified technology. Why do you suppose some Physicists are asking if "Star Wars" beam weapon technology was also used?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations, Blackerj:

Thank you again for the excellent evidence.

You are correct about the C D . The whole event is so: 'In Your Face!'.

Just like OKC, a retired Air Force Brigadier General, A Master of matters both 'Explosive & Destructive', has made a video conclusively proving a scenario other than the official,

likewise Flight 800.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[christophera]

In your reality there were no core, fine. Why do you suppose the NIST website I forwarded stated clearly the dimensions of 47 CC? Do you claim NIST are lying about the 47 CC?

Have you even bothered to check out the link and watch any of their animations? Do you suppose NIST would claim there were 47CC if they did not exist?

Don't contact me directly again about anything to do with the cores - whatever you have to say put it directly onto the forum for everyone to see please.

And for your information:

There are technologies in development which can turn
material to dust by switching off the covalent & Ionic bonds , it is known as Particausation and is classified technology. Why do you suppose some Physicists are asking if "Star Wars" beam weapon technology was also used?

NIST admits they never had the plans.

Below is a close view of perhaps the 5th floor and the vertical steel seen in the core area has a butt plate welded to the top of it. A butt plate is not strong enough for a core column. The much larger box columns surrounding the core area actually existed and have 100% deep fillet welds connecting 40 foot pieces which were delivered to the site.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

The steel inside the core area was elevator guide rail support steel and is much smaller. The below image was taken from a chopper at some distance and then zoomed so it is blurry, but the size of the vertical steel can be seen.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg

[christophera]

Continued from my previous post.


The image following shows the core area and no steel core columns are seen. What is seen is rebar and the proportions of heavy steel to it are seen in the bottom image.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

The below is a superimposition of an image taken just before the one above from the same camera. Superimposed over it is another image ofthe intact tower showing that the spire is outside the core at the corner of the core.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/superimp.spire.wtc1.jpg

[blackerj]

Another day, another piece of BUSH Science distortion to correct.

When quoting allegations such as NIST did not have the Blueprints for the WTC please put a link to prove the claim. A claim is useless and has no value without "the proof".



I will now Quote NIST directly, they give the exact dimensions of the 47 CC as they start off massive in the basement and become smaller and hence lighter and hence less strong as the towers get higher and higher. (Heaviest, strongest at the bottom, lightest and less strong at the top)

http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


On page 59 of the NIST report is a diagram, in the centre are 47 CC, so how can NIST not know there were 47 CC if they put them in their report?

(Get your own copy of the NIST report and look for yourself on page 59)



Indeed the authorities and media in the USA particularly keep mentioning the tube structure of the WTC 1 & 2 but this is only partly true. The 47 CC Core were used to mount the 4 massive Australian cranes which build WTC 1 & 2, without the steel core the building could not have been built AT ALL. (See the enclosed pictures)


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtccons2.html


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc12consenr.html


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1cons1.html




TO BUILD THE tower the core had to support 4 Massive Cranes lifting hundreds of tonnes at a time often a considerable distance from the crane body hence imagine the forces on the Core – Only a massive steel core could do such a construction task - Reinforced Concrete would simply have failed.

On 911 the “Indestructible” core turned to dust – what technology can do that, certainly not that owned or operated by a Muslim terrorist – that is why there is so much government misinformation about the existence of the Massive steel core, that is why agents of the US government go onto websites and argue the idea of a concrete core, plastic core, jelly core or even a hollow tube structure.

Don’t take my word for it please, do your own research, but if you claim there is a concrete core then show evidence FOR a concrete core. Please show were it says in the NIST report that there was only a Concrete core. Show photos of only a Concrete core, show statements and books, which show only a concrete core - and explain how the heck a concrete core can ever withstand swaying in high winds (the design forces).

911 was a Top down implosive demolition, see what is left of the core after collapse:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/New_Spire/tower_collapsing4web.qt

There are none scientific web sites which claim Concrete cores but they are incorrect and are not written by any authority or Suitably qualified individuates.

The Concrete Core brigade are the "Flat Earth" Squad. Never mind "FAKE" simulations or "Fake" diagrams, lets see original construction plans & pictures of the phantom "Concrete Core" and lets see were NIST shows the phantom "Concrete Core".


Kind regards


J A Blacker MSc IMI (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

[abrilliantone]

Straight from ' the horse's mouth' :D Thanks for the quotes shodan. :):D:cool:

[christophera]

Another day, another piece of BUSH Science distortion to correct.

When quoting allegations such as NIST did not have the Blueprints for the WTC please put a link to prove the claim. A claim is useless and has no value without "the proof".



I will now Quote NIST directly, they give the exact dimensions of the 47 CC as they start off massive in the basement and become smaller and hence lighter and hence less strong as the towers get higher and higher. (Heaviest, strongest at the bottom, lightest and less strong at the top)

http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


On page 59 of the NIST report is a diagram, in the centre are 47 CC, so how can NIST not know there were 47 CC if they put them in their report?

(Get your own copy of the NIST report and look for yourself on page 59)



Indeed the authorities and media in the USA particularly keep mentioning the tube structure of the WTC 1 & 2 but this is only partly true. The 47 CC Core were used to mount the 4 massive Australian cranes which build WTC 1 & 2, without the steel core the building could not have been built AT ALL. (See the enclosed pictures)


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtccons2.html


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc12consenr.html


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1cons1.html




TO BUILD THE tower the core had to support 4 Massive Cranes lifting hundreds of tonnes at a time often a considerable distance from the crane body hence imagine the forces on the Core – Only a massive steel core could do such a construction task - Reinforced Concrete would simply have failed.

On 911 the “Indestructible” core turned to dust – what technology can do that, certainly not that owned or operated by a Muslim terrorist – that is why there is so much government misinformation about the existence of the Massive steel core, that is why agents of the US government go onto websites and argue the idea of a concrete core, plastic core, jelly core or even a hollow tube structure.

Don’t take my word for it please, do your own research, but if you claim there is a concrete core then show evidence FOR a concrete core. Please show were it says in the NIST report that there was only a Concrete core. Show photos of only a Concrete core, show statements and books, which show only a concrete core - and explain how the heck a concrete core can ever withstand swaying in high winds (the design forces).

911 was a Top down implosive demolition, see what is left of the core after collapse:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/New_Spire/tower_collapsing4web.qt

There are none scientific web sites which claim Concrete cores but they are incorrect and are not written by any authority or Suitably qualified individuates.

The Concrete Core brigade are the "Flat Earth" Squad. Never mind "FAKE" simulations or "Fake" diagrams, lets see original construction plans & pictures of the phantom "Concrete Core" and lets see were NIST shows the phantom "Concrete Core".


Kind regards


J A Blacker MSc IMI (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

The ex mayor of NYC took the plans and courts will not force their return which is a violaton of US federal, freedom of information laws.

This link goes to a NYCLU site which describes their legal actions. The last one from my site had the page pulled, now 404, so this link is disabled by (dot), just copy and paste it then repair the (dot) with a . and check it out.

http://www.nyclu(dot)org/node/842

THe removal of the WTC docuements from the city offices enabled the FEMA deception. The 9-11 commison and NIST relied on FEMA and none had the plans.

Do you actually think I can get them when NIST cannot?

I'm posting your PM and my reply because I need all of our exchanges to be public regarding the core.



Hi,

I have no doubt that you were told there was a concrete core, and there is no visual of the core after and indeed during the demolition.

That is not to say the core was not there. The US media is absolutely corrupt to the core, pardon the pun. I have put up another link, please go to the actual NIST sight and press on at least a few of the 47 CC links it shows, the corner ones are the largest.

Also, get a copy of the official NIST report and take a look at page 59, it clearly shows the 47 CC, although NIST was slammed for not showing that diagram to scale.

If I have woken you up to understand the level of deceit peddled by the current US government to its population then good.

In Europe we can see the level of curruption, but in the US, or what we affectionately call La La land, the media spins such utter trash you just don't stand a chance.

It is not your fault the US is misgoverned and its agents are spreading believable lies.

We are Allies and as a NATO Allie I tell you the BUSh Government is totally and absolutely the worst government any western democracy has ever had except in Nazi Germany.

For news which may give you a better perspective of what is actually going on in the world go to RINF.COM

Kind regards

JB

NIST claim there were 47 Large Steel CC

Indeed they tell you the dimensions.


http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


There were no CC on any photo during collapse sequence except some which appeared to turn to dust because they had been blown to kingdom come prior or during collapse. No doubt the core and foundations were the first thing to be blown.

Regardless of core, plastic core, chewing gum core, rubber core or no core or even Concrete core - 911 was a demolition due to the freefall decent. PERIOD.

TTFN

JB (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

Steel cannot be blown to dust without MAJOR explosions. What is not dust is shrapnel travelling 1,000 feet or so.

What we saw and heard was not possible with a steel core columns.
Support for steel core columns equals support for the impossible. Support for the impossible obscures the possible.


In your reality there were no core, fine. Why do you suppose the NIST website I forwarded stated clearly the dimensions of 47 CC? Do you claim NIST are lying about the 47 CC?

Have you even bothered to check out the link and watch any of their animations? Do you suppose NIST would claim there were 47CC if they did not exist?

Don't contact me directly again about anything to do with the cores - whatever you have to say put it directly onto the forum for everyone to see please.

And for your information:

There are technologies in development which can turn
material to dust by switching off the covalent & Ionic bonds , it is known as Particausation and is classified technology. Why do you suppose some Physicists are asking if "Star Wars" beam weapon technology was also used?

Realize I watched a 2 hour documentary about the construction of WTC 1 in 1990 and about 1/2 of it was about the difficulty of building the steel reinforced, rectangular, tubular, cast concrete core.

If there were steel core columns, why are they not seen below instead of rebar which should not exist at all.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

The classic spire image was taken seconds before this and shows a heavy steel column which is outside the core area as seen in this superimposition.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/superimp.spire.wtc1.jpg

blackerj,

I spent over an hour watching the concrete core being built as a part of the 1990 documentary "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". I was not told, I watched it.

I hate to say it, but you were told. And whatever is on page 59 of the NIST report is a misrepresentation. If you think its proof, take a screen shot of it and upload it to imageshack then post it.
You do know that NIST never had the plans to the towers do you not? Consider this disclaimer covers them in the event the documentary shows up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/nist.disclaimer3_4.jpg

This image shows the west shear wall of the WTC 1 core with the spire outside it to the right.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg

[blackerj]

With the utmost respect Sir, the whole evidence you have quoted does not once state there were CONcrete CORES.

Please give one single piece of POSITIVE evidence FOR a CONcrete COREs.


Indeed the images you yourself have put up on this thread show the Steel Core. Surrounding that was a concrete outer skin.

GO TO the official NIST report HERE:

http://wtc.nist.gov/reports_october05.htm

On page 59 you will see 47 CC in their official diagram of a cross section.

The genuine NIST report is 17.32 meg and as you can see from the address is an official government web sight address.


So, if you still believe there was only a CONcrete Core - how did they build the WTC? Did they rest the cranes on the CONcrete core lifting hundreds of tonnes distance from the crane body? What sort of CONcrete is that?

And when I was a kid I use to watch Micky mouse, but it does not mean it is true or Factual just because it was on TV, DUH do you not know you have been deliberately DUMBED DOWN and misinformed prior to 911 so you buy the official spoofed garbage?

Sorry to tell you this but the BUSH regime is totally Corrupt and lies through the puppet media - Hello - WELCOME TO Reality.


Sorry, but you need a wakeup call - Americans and the whole world are at serious risk from this most EVIL BUSH regime and manipulation of the media is only one facet to their total deceit.

Want to know what happened on 911 - go here:

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/st911-scientist-to-sue-bbc-for-public-deception/776/

Kind regards

JB

[368jrn]

http://mceer.buffalo.edu/gif/infoService/enews/July%20August%2005/WTC%20sunrise.gif

hi all, please copy and paste the above link ( dont know how to insert the picture!)
It shows the WTC`s at sunrise , you can see right through one of them, not sure what to make of the core, thoughts anyone?:)

(well i can insert pictures!)

[blackerj]

To see how much people in the USA have been suckered check out this link.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/159.html


Anyone Want to VOTE?

[blackerj]

Nice Pics of the WTC,

I think they may be made of Jelly with Magic Mushroom juice.

TTFN

JB

[christophera]

With the utmost respect Sir, the whole evidence you have quoted does not once state there were CONcrete CORES.

Please give one single piece of POSITIVE evidence FOR a CONcrete COREs.


If you think I've posted evidence that supports that there were steel core columns, post it and show exactly how it does that, don't just say that is what I've done. Substance is critical to veracity.

Here is an image showing a huge triangular piece of concrete falling from the east wall of the north towers concrete core into the core area.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc.1core.fall.jpg

Below are information and quotes from the lead engineer of the WTC towers and a civil engineers report who is certified in 12 states.

Leslie Robertson, Architect Of The World Trade Center Towers

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069641/


Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did—managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.



August Domel, Jr., Ph.D., S.E., P.E. November 2001

http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf

Groundbreaking for construction of the World Trade Center took place on August 5, 1966 Tower One, standing 1368 feet high, was completed in 1970, and Tower Two, at 1362 feet high, was completed in 1972. The structural design for the World Trade Center Towers was done by Skilling, Helle, Christiansen and Robertson. It was designed as a tube building that included a perimeter moment-resisting frame consisting of steel columns spaced on 39-inch centers. The load carrying system was designed so that the steel facade would resist lateral and gravity forces and the interior concrete core would carry only gravity loads.

[christophera]

http://mceer.buffalo.edu/gif/infoService/enews/July%20August%2005/WTC%20sunrise.gif

hi all, please copy and paste the above link ( dont know how to insert the picture!)
It shows the WTC`s at sunrise , you can see right through one of them, not sure what to make of the core, thoughts anyone?:)

(well i can insert pictures!)

What we see there is sunlight reflecting off the inside of the concrete wall which was formed with steel forms. Our view is not down the hallway as can be seen by the top of WTC 1.

What is curious is that the image your posted is often posted to try and demonstrate there was no concrete core because light shines through it, as if there were no hallways. Also it is posted without any description of how it shows multiple steel core columns.

I have an entire page devoted to analysing the silhouette photos.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11towersilhouettes.html

[blackerj]

I am now convinced that a deliberate elaborate misinformation campaign is being peddled by those involved with the WTC Treason perhaps going back to 1990s. Just like how they vilified Arabs and before that Red Indians so they could kill them off without public backlash.


Note that the Engineer was not quoted directly, that is very suspicious, indeed that character will say anything the government tells him to say, no?

Check this link out to see the level of dishonesty peddled in the US:-

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/159.html


The problem I have is all of the Photos in the New York Museum showing the Steel Core, perhaps they need to take those pictured down and put up some with concrete cores, only, were will they get those from?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtccons2.html

The Cranes are sitting on the corner core columns which anchors them securely, how could Concrete do that?

Has anyone a single picture of these concrete cores with crane on top?

And how did the craines bolt to a concrete core during construction and then jack themselves up, did they wait for the concrete to set first?

The link below shows the tower over 1/2 done, were is the concrete core?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1cons1.html

Am I correct in thinking NIST are lying about the steel core collums here, yet have taken what must be many hundreds of hours preparing the data for Government and public consumption, let alone scientific scrutiny.

Every inch of every core column is mapped here, click on a link, the corner cores are the largest.

http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


As food for thought, notice there were not one single steel floor pan in the 911 rubble? What can remove steel floor pans? Perhaps the same technology which removed the steel core columns?

TTFN

JB

[christophera]

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtccons2.html

The Cranes are sitting on the corner core columns which anchors them securely, how could Concrete do that?

This is huge problem that is encountered repeatedly. All I can say is ALL of the sites dealing with the towers are totally incompetent. Not surprising since the ex NYC mayor took the plans enabing a major deception. How could they possibly be competent under hose conditions.

Still, they are not evaluating images and using engineering common sense.

What you are calling "corner columns" are not columns. They are crane towers that are heavily trussed. they are not a part of the towers at all. they are fixtures used to build the towers.
Below is seen a crane tower which has been moved out of the corner position in order to reach areas normally it might not reach with loads needed to move. Whenever we see the cranes with their booms inward they are setting guide rail support steel which is identified by the butt plates on top. Such plates do not have adequate strength to be a core column, also they are much smaller.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

Has anyone a single picture of these concrete cores with crane on top?

The core is being cast inside the outer steel framework and the outer forms are supported by the inner face of the columns seen inthe below image.

The crane platform is inside of the "INTERIOR BOX COLUMNS" which are the very heavy columns forming the inside framework of the outer steel structure supporting the floors. The crane platform is of the structure having very long diagonals seen inside the "INTERIOR BOX COLUMNS" above.

Steven Jones Ph.D refers to this photos as showing "core columns inside the core"

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtcacrossfloor.box.cols.jpg

Clearly that framed wall is not inside the core. We are looking across a floor into space along the inner wall of the outer steel framework. Jones is a competetnt physicist but simply not familiar with strucutral steel and building techniques. Not many outside the heavy steel erection industry are. I would not know if I had not seen the 1990 documentary titled, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers".

And how did the craines bolt to a concrete core during construction and then jack themselves up, did they wait for the concrete to set first?

The link below shows the tower over 1/2 done, were is the concrete core?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1cons1.html


Below is a zoom of a similar image that has been annotated. Whoever annotated it was honest in that the columns indicated are the only columns that are "MASSIVE". The vertical steel inside is much smaller and not core columns it is elevator guide rail support steel.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg

[christophera]

Continued post

Such vertical steel has very little lateral strength and will not stand on its own which is why none is seen inthe below image.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

Tha is an exceptional image because it shows the core area very clearly and it is empty.

That image immediately folows this one and was taken with the same camera from almost the same position.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/media/56016/site1074.jpg

The following image has a superimposition which shows that the above image has vertical elements too fine to be heavy structural steel and can only be rebar because of the fine appearance.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/superimp.spire.wtc1.jpg

[blackerj]

At the centre of the WTC were 47 Core Columns and a heck of a lot of concrete making up elevator shafts and stairs. In the top was a brace which held the steel core together.

The core was not just concrete, it was the concrete and the heavy steel Columns.

So where did all of the Steel floor pans go during demolition 911? Did they pour the floor concrete onto thin air?


Not one single steel floor pan was found in the 911 rubble? What can remove steel floor pans? Perhaps the same technology which removed the steel core columns and the same that turned all of the concrete to dust pehapse?

TTFN

JB

Did you look at the NIST Report on page 59 were it shows the 47 CC.

[christophera]

At the centre of the WTC were 47 Core Columns

Please show a picture of them in the core area at some elevation over the ground.

I have a number of images of the core area and it is totally empty.

<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg">

Please explain why there are no core columns in the core area. If they existed they were of the strongest elements of the towers and would be seen in that photo.

and a heck of a lot of concrete making up elevator shafts and stairs. In the top was a brace which held the steel core together.

From all descrip[tions I've heard that the elevator shafts were formed by gypsum and drywall that was fastened to the elevator guide rail support steel.

The core was not just concrete, it was the concrete and the heavy steel Columns.

Images of 9-11 reveal there is nothing int he core area. Please show an image from 9-11 where there are steel box columns inside the core area.

So where did all of the Steel floor pans go during demolition 911? Did they pour the floor concrete onto thin air?

Everybody wonders wherethe steel floor pans went.

Not one single steel floor pan was found in the 911 rubble? What can remove steel floor pans? Perhaps the same technology which removed the steel core columns and the same that turned all of the concrete to dust pehapse?

The high explosives poured into the corrugations with concrete poured over it pulverized the concrete and the 22 gauge steel.

Did you look at the NIST Report on page 59 were it shows the 47 CC.

Sorry, I won't waste my time with that nonsense. If you want me to look at it, post it.

[christophera]

At the centre of the WTC were 47 Core Columns

Please show a picture of them in the core area at some elevation over the ground.

I have a number of images of the core area and it is totally empty in all of them.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

Please explain why there are no core columns in the core area. If they existed they were of the strongest elements of the towers and would be seen in that photo. Instead what we see are very fine vertical elements that have a slight arc to them. Far too many and too small. It is rebar.

and a heck of a lot of concrete making up elevator shafts and stairs. In the top was a brace which held the steel core together.

From all descrip[tions I've heard that the elevator shafts were formed by gypsum and drywall that was fastened to the elevator guide rail support steel.

The core was not just concrete, it was the concrete and the heavy steel Columns.

Images of 9-11 reveal there is nothing int he core area. Please show an image from 9-11 where there are steel box columns inside the core area.

So where did all of the Steel floor pans go during demolition 911? Did they pour the floor concrete onto thin air?

Everybody wonders wherethe steel floor pans went.

Not one single steel floor pan was found in the 911 rubble? What can remove steel floor pans? Perhaps the same technology which removed the steel core columns and the same that turned all of the concrete to dust pehapse?

The high explosives poured into the corrugations with concrete poured over it pulverized the concrete and the 22 gauge steel.

Did you look at the NIST Report on page 59 were it shows the 47 CC.

Sorry, I won't waste my time with that nonsense. If you want me to look at it, post it.

[blackerj]

On demolition 911, and thankfully we agree it was some sort of demolition, the steel floor pans disappeared. Just in case there are any newbies reading this, the steel floor pans were underneath the concrete floors, and they held the concrete whilst it set. There were also triangular steel trusses below the floor panels.

Now according to the blueprints and other sources there should have been about 200,000 tonnes of Steel and about 300,000 tonnes of concrete in one WTC. The floor pans were missing along with most of the concrete which had turned to dust.

Now anyone who has a clue will tell you that reinforced concrete does not turn to dust just because it falls 417 M and hits the ground. Also floor pans just can not disappear.

Put it this way, in my view as a qualified Engineer & Physicist, whatever swiped the floor pans could very well have swiped the other missing steel. At the very top of each tower was a steel crown seen here

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtccons2.html

and it held the steel core in place according to the blueprints at http://www.ae911truth.org/ which is run by an architect who actually constructs tall steel framed buildings.

If anyone can show me a single piece of evidence FOR a concrete core as opposed to the steel Core I would be most greatful to see such evidence.

Showing a picture of a tower blown to kingdom come and saying it is clear evidence of no steel core is ludicrous, as the same picture does not show any Core at all.

Clearly at the side of the cranes are the core columns, 2 feet at the base and 1 foot at the 110th floor under the crown.


Show me one single picture of a Concrete core, surely someone must have such an elusive picture if it existed and was not the figment the CIA s imagination to confuse and dis inform Americans.

In fact is there anyone who is not an American who thinks there was a Concrete core?

[shodan]

At the moment, I don't think there was a concrete core.

Open minded, and no longer questioning anything other than how to alert the masses about whats happening.

[blackerj]

:(

May America awake from its Nightmare to realize who its true enemy is, its own NEOCON Fascist BUSH Government.

May America Stop International aggression and Warmongering and do what most of its people want which is to live in peace.

May all those who died on 911 and since as a result of the BUSH Regime be at piece, and may the families of the deceased know their loved ones soles are indestructible & everlasting.

God bless America & us all. END

For absolute proof of the nature of the core go here:

http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vmze1swjhwq1.swf

Kind regards

JB

[seamus]

:(

May America awake from its Nightmare to realize who its true enemy is, its own NEOCON Fascist BUSH Government.


How Myopic! Why not look at the Zionist movement behind it? The USA is merely doing Israel's dirty work for it, and then when it has done enough, Israel will throw the US under the bus. We're screwed!

May America Stop International aggression and Warmongering and do what most of its people want which is to live in peace.



Again, you've been sniffing the wrong daisies. Most americans want to live in a level of prosperity which is greater than their next-door neighbor's. That's about as "peace"-ey as they get. Truly, they voted for Bush, and they deserve him.

May all those who died on 911 and since as a result of the BUSH Regime be at piece, and may the families of the deceased know their loved ones soles are indestructible & everlasting.


Israel/Russia is the bad guy, not just "the Bushes". (really, it's all of humanity's fault, since they love the ways of Israel/Russia {usury, theft by law, etc}) Please, read Douglas Reed's "The Controversy of Zion" and the Protocols.

God bless America & us all. END

Oh please! Spare us! God? The same God who struck New Orleans flat and then the people (who mostly believe in this God) are dumb enough to go back there and build under the waterline AGAIN? You must be new to the disinfo biz, cause you're so transparent.

For absolute proof of the nature of the core go here:

http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vmze1swjhwq1.swf

Kind regards

JB

Umm... I fail to see any text or arrows on these photographs, pointing to the evidence of interest. Maybe you'd better stick to debunking the LOA.

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[christophera]

At the centre of the WTC were 47 Core Columns
Please show a picture of them in the core area at some elevation over the ground.

I have a number of images of the core area and it is totally empty in all of them.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

Please explain why there are no core columns in the core area. If they existed they were of the strongest elements of the towers and would be seen in that photo. Instead what we see are very fine vertical elements that have a slight arc to them. Far too many and too small. It is rebar.


and a heck of a lot of concrete making up elevator shafts and stairs. In the top was a brace which held the steel core together.

From all descriptions I've heard that the elevator shafts were formed by gypsum and drywall that was fastened to the elevator guide rail support steel.


The core was not just concrete, it was the concrete and the heavy steel Columns.

Images of 9-11 reveal there is nothing int he core area. Please show an image from 9-11 where there are steel box columns inside the core area.


So where did all of the Steel floor pans go during demolition 911? Did they pour the floor concrete onto thin air?

Everybody wonders where the steel floor pans went.


Not one single steel floor pan was found in the 911 rubble? What can remove steel floor pans? Perhaps the same technology which removed the steel core columns and the same that turned all of the concrete to dust pehapse?

The high explosives poured into the corrugations with concrete poured over it pulverized the concrete and the 22 gauge steel.


Did you look at the NIST Report on page 59 were it shows the 47 CC.

Sorry, I won't waste my time with that nonsense. If you want me to look at it, post it.


True, I do not waste my time with nonsense produced by fake government entities designed to mislead.

blackerj you did not address a single primary issue I've reposted above. You have simply continued with your assertions. This non appearance of the steel core columns during the demolition is a MAJOR issue and must be addressed because IF there were core columns they would be seen standing at the end as they were of the strongest elements of the towers, or describe how they were cut.

On demolition 911, and thankfully we agree it was some sort of demolition,

Yes demolition but the steel core columns did not exist. Demolition or cutting of them simply does not fit into what was seen and heard. Before going any further, you must describe a feasible method of cutting the supposed core columns and show them cut as you describe from ground zero images. Without this proof support for the steel core columns is essentially support for the impossible which is being used to obscure the possible in the world of seeking 9-11 truth.

You have provided this link.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtccons2.html

from it there is this image below which does not show core columns. The steel seen in the false floor of the core area is MUCH smaller than the interior box columns along the edge of the floor.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/falsedek.int.box.elevguides.jpg

This image link (I've already posted the image) shows the relative size of the elevator guide rail support steel.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg

[blackerj]

Here are the instructions to were the Evidence of the Steel Core is:

1 go to this link and press it



[url]http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vmze1swjhwq1.swf[url]

2 Scroll down to the 8th image

3 Next to the big Orange digger is a steel core.

4 Look at the Steel Core.

5 Try not to forget the core is there and how to find it.

6 Re check the video you thought you watched in the 1990s and see if it was not talking about "Concrete Floor" as opposed to "Concrete Core"

7 Get back to me with any clear pictures of a "Concrete Core" or "Concrete Floor" or even a copy of the alleged Faked up video.

8 Check that the video was not shown on April 01 as some sort of spoof program.

9 Please stop showing steel core columns in the spire and then telling everyone they aren't really there.

[blackerj]

Go here 8th image, next to big orange digger.

http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vmze1swjhwq1.swf

TTFN

I'm off on holiday now, will be back in 2 weeks. :)

[nafenisr]

Blackerj wrote:

The Cranes are sitting on the corner core columns which anchors them securely, how could Concrete do that?

Has anyone a single picture of these concrete cores with crane on top?

And how did the craines bolt to a concrete core during construction and then jack themselves up, did they wait for the concrete to set first?
__________________________________________________ _______

uh, dude...is it at all plausible that the concrete was poured after the fact, say a couple stories (or more) behind the corner core columns? you're focusing on effing MINUTIA.

[nafenisr]

Blackerj:



Not one single steel floor pan was found in the 911 rubble

_____________________________

According to who...FEMA?

[christophera]

Blackerj wrote:

The Cranes are sitting on the corner core columns which anchors them securely, how could Concrete do that?

Has anyone a single picture of these concrete cores with crane on top?

And how did the craines bolt to a concrete core during construction and then jack themselves up, did they wait for the concrete to set first?
__________________________________________________ _______

uh, dude...is it at all plausible that the concrete was poured after the fact, say a couple stories (or more) behind the corner core columns? you're focusing on effing MINUTIA.

The images of the concrete core work during construction were scarce to begin with. The reason why is the top of the concrete pour was usually 40 to 70 feet below the top floor of the tower. the steel was only allowed to go 7 floors over the top of the concrete on WTC 1. The reason for this is that the cranes were so powerful and some steel perimeter panels were so heavy that the cranes might actually damage the tower structure if they worked together.

The crane towers had nothing to do with the concrete, and they were usually located in the corners, but not always. The below image proves this as the crane on the right is located near the center of the core.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

The crane towers were fastened to the crane platform which fit inside the rectangle formed by the interior box columns. The crane platform could be jacked upwards and each tower could be raised within the platform independently. The crane platform can be indentified inside the interior box columns by the long and large diagonal bracing.

In the top image on this page the crane platform can be seen with its large diagonals above the level of the top floor.

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/eng-news-record.htm

In the below image the platform is below the top floor with the crane towers jacked up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg

[blackerj]

Take a peek at this video of the actual construction of the WTC,

At 8:39 into the 18:11 Video of the actual construction of the WTC it clearly, undeniably and categorically states QUOTE: The cranes were assembled on top of the CORE columns. Put this url in your browser:


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4744744660064858887&q=building+the+wtc&total=1540&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2


I'm off to Wales later today so please take a peek and download the actual video so you can keep a copy.

Kind regards

J A Blacker MSc IMI (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

:rolleyes:

[helloperator]

I'm with the people who say arguing over the technicalities is a waste of time in comparison to what kind of arguments, discussions and actions really should be going on.

[christophera]

Take a peek at this video of the actual construction of the WTC,

At 8:39 into the 18:11 Video of the actual construction of the WTC it clearly, undeniably and categorically states QUOTE: The cranes were assembled on top of the CORE columns. Put this url in your browser:


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4744744660064858887&q=building+the+wtc&total=1540&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2


I'm off to Wales later today so please take a peek and download the actual video so you can keep a copy.

Kind regards

J A Blacker MSc IMI (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

:rolleyes:

In "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" it emphasized that even the architect and engineers involved with the towers from the beginning had a hard time NOT calling the interior box columns "core columns" because originally they had been called that in Robertsons preliminary plan.

"The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" also identified the 1983 "celebratory video" as being a lower class of production separating itself as an in depth and intimate view of the construction.

Before going any further, explain why you cannot get the actual plans which ARE illegaly in the possession of a private party, or, why do judges ignore the freedom of information act? If they do, to be reasonable you must recognize it is logical to suspect a deception regarding the construction or design, paarticuarly if NIST went ahead with an analysis WITHOUT plans.

I'm disabling this link and you'll have to fix it to use it. The page has been removed/changed 2 times already.

www.nyclu (dot) org/node/842

[christophera]

I'm with the people who say arguing over the technicalities is a waste of time in comparison to what kind of arguments, discussions and actions really should be going on.

One problem.

Those who can take effective action ask "what action" and "why". The answer becomes technicalities.

The reason the concrete core is under attack as a tecnicality is because;

1. Officials with integrity seeking truth CAN present a simple deception of design as undermining the validity of all engineering studies and a limited invetigation into the deception WITHOUT alleging elaborate conspiracy. A simple deception, they happen all the time but this one concerns 3,000 captial crimes.

2. It can be used to provide a feasible and realistic explanation for all of the unexplained phenomena of the event.

free fall
total pulverization
superfine, heated particulate
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet

[helloperator]

You're right. I just see the whole thing as a massive version of "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"...I honestly believed that New York, for a start, just would refuse to go back to work or participate in 'the system' until the truth was exposed. I hoped it would be a massive case of tools down.

Technicalities are important, but in what forum (I don't mean internet forums) will they be presented? All the forums are bogus and fraudulent. With 911 the system hardly flinched. So in what forum and to whose ears can the technicalities be presented?

The only way I see change happening is one person at a time. But it's too slow. The movement is too splintered.

[blackerj]

There was 300,000 tonnes of concrete in one WTC, the only place a lot of that concrete could be, except the floors and roof, was at the centre near the Central Columns, or as they are called by NIST Core Columns. Hence there would have been some sort of Concrete core structure.

There is yet more evidence of the concrete at the centre of the building in the demolition photos here at RINF.COM:

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/high-resolution-aerial-images-of-911-clearly-show-effects-of-explosive-demolition/1373/

These can be downloaded and kept so please do this as we need to preserve the evidence.

We know that very little of the reinforced concrete was present on the ground, most of it was turned to dust, hence we know Gravity just does not have enough energy to do what we clearly observed and recorded on 911.


Kind regards

JB

Should we not refer to Demolition 911 as opposed to just 911?

:cool:

[blackerj]

I suspect we need to spread the word that 911 was an inside job and show friends and relatives the evidence. Bush has plans to go into IRAN next, if he does you can bet a lot of young American boys will be coming home in bags, because the whole region will turn against the US & UK occupation on mass.

If the USA thinks it can take out China's oil supply in Iran and for it to do nothing, think again. Also, conflict with Iran will bump up the price of oil to over £100 per barrel and basically this would bankrupt the USA.

But of course that is exactly what BUSH wants, then he can bring in the Amero.

So, the core problem is not really if it was Steel, or concrete, the core problem is how to impeach the BUSH crook and his fascist henchmen. Answer, learn about and then use the election fraud evidence found be Greg Palast from the BBC.

see here:

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/election-fraud-special/1392/

We must unite and fight these Fascist Scum and stop worrying about the detail until the day of Impeachment.


TTFN

JB

:cool:

[christophera]

There was 300,000 tonnes of concrete in one WTC, the only place a lot of that concrete could be, except the floors and roof, was at the centre near the Central Columns, or as they are called by NIST Core Columns. Hence there would have been some sort of Concrete core structure.

There is yet more evidence of the concrete at the centre of the building in the demolition photos here at RINF.COM:

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/high-resolution-aerial-images-of-911-clearly-show-effects-of-explosive-demolition/1373/

These can be downloaded and kept so please do this as we need to preserve the evidence.

We know that very little of the reinforced concrete was present on the ground, most of it was turned to dust, hence we know Gravity just does not have enough energy to do what we clearly observed and recorded on 911.


Kind regards

JB

Should we not refer to Demolition 911 as opposed to just 911?

:cool:

Very good. I found another version of this which shows a triangular piece of the core wall falling into the core area.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc.1core.fall.jpg

Because 9-11 was also the pentagon and a bunch of plane games, missles etc., it won't be consistent. WTC demolition 9-11 is accurate.

[christophera]

You're right. I just see the whole thing as a massive version of "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"...I honestly believed that New York, for a start, just would refuse to go back to work or participate in 'the system' until the truth was exposed. I hoped it would be a massive case of tools down.

Technicalities are important, but in what forum (I don't mean internet forums) will they be presented? All the forums are bogus and fraudulent. With 911 the system hardly flinched. So in what forum and to whose ears can the technicalities be presented?

The only way I see change happening is one person at a time. But it's too slow. The movement is too splintered.

Good points, really. Particuarly this.

"So in what forum and to whose ears can the technicalities be presented?
"
You might want to look at a message in my thread about "infiltration of the truth movement", it deals with which forums have banned me. Some are the forums where this technical information should be dealt with.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=145836#post145836

I agree totally, too slow and splintered and the link above shows why.

[helloperator]

Yeah, cool, but I don't mean internet forums.

I mean 'courts of law' type forums.

[christophera]

Yeah, cool, but I don't mean internet forums.

I mean 'courts of law' type forums.

Very good! I approve of that.

It matters who you are sueing.

It shouldn't matter but it does. If the government, forget it on 9-11 issues, or perhaps any at this late date. However any media is good target.

At this point, anybody who is actually using information can make a case for neglect and endangerment. I've learned in the suits I've filed that if a number of people file for specific performance rather than tort claims it is much more effective.

Firstly there are no statute of limitations on specific performance or injunctive relief. If a large number of plaintiffs in the same jurisdiction were to join as coplaintiffs, some very interesting things might happen.

I've presented such thinking to the peace movements back in 2002 but they are also infiltrated as far as I can tell, or their actions for peace are very conditional.

Do you know of people who have such an interest?

[helloperator]

No I don't. I don't know anyone except for myself who even remotely is interested in the 911 issue.

By forums, I am getting at...another enquiry. You know the enquiry that was held after 911...the one from which the 'official story' was created?

That was the initial forum for discussion, analysis and review of 911.

What I am saying is...where do we go now? In what forum does information regarding 911 get analysed and discussed?

The system doesn't want another review or commission. It created 911 in the first place. It had it's commission and wrapped everything up in a nice package...bought by most people in the world.

Now, some of us know the official story is bullshit...where do we go? What do we do? Who do we tell? Let's say the government gives in and sets up a new commission, for new analysis and review. There's every chance that commission will be just as corrupt as the first one.

My personal solution, in an ideal world, would be for citizens to stop going to work, stop spending money, stop paying bills...to take any concepts about money and reverse them. The world is run on money. As citizens, we should cease all personal dealings with money. This would sieze up the wheels of the system.

[christophera]

No I don't. I don't know anyone except for myself who even remotely is interested in the 911 issue.

By forums, I am getting at...another enquiry. You know the enquiry that was held after 911...the one from which the 'official story' was created?

That was the initial forum for discussion, analysis and review of 911.

What I am saying is...where do we go now? In what forum does information regarding 911 get analysed and discussed?

The system doesn't want another review or commission. It created 911 in the first place. It had it's commission and wrapped everything up in a nice package...bought by most people in the world.

Now, some of us know the official story is bullshit...where do we go? What do we do? Who do we tell? Let's say the government gives in and sets up a new commission, for new analysis and review. There's every chance that commission will be just as corrupt as the first one.

My personal solution, in an ideal world, would be for citizens to stop going to work, stop spending money, stop paying bills...to take any concepts about money and reverse them. The world is run on money. As citizens, we should cease all personal dealings with money. This would sieze up the wheels of the system.

True, that would sieze up the wheels of the system. But people have needs and without fully functional alternatives in place and ready to go, there is not much incentive for anyone to do anything except for what they've always done.

As far as dealing with 9-11 the only possbile chance we have is to unit. BIG ORDER, I can't even find people that can work effectively on message boards together. But if we could then it would be to create a very rational front that takes bold, dynamic and comprehensive steeps.

Our infiltrated government is now working against us, so forget that. Think about your fellow American and what they are capable of recognizing that you also recognize. The basis of unity.

[helloperator]

Maybe the whole thing is like an out of control speeding car on a slick road surface. It's just gonna have to play itself out, ultimately doomed.

I mean, there's idealistic and cynical and then reality. Who knows what metaphors are the closest. Is the truth movement in the backseat of the car, with the culprits behind the wheel? That's the way I kind of see it. I think it's a cynical outlook, but closer to reality than the idea that the population of America is going to unite and rebel against this obscenely corrupt system that passes itself of as kind of father figure, with religion and nationalism to hide behind.

[blackerj]

The first job is to join the TRUTH movement, either AE911truth, or SJT911truth or SJ911truth or one of the others. What we are doing now helps to give support and it makes you feel a heck of a lot better once you enlighten a sole who is asleep to the problem.

Then when it comes election Scam time you just have to get your candidate elected no matter how much work it takes.

The one thing not to do is get down and depressed about stuff, now I know that is easier said than done, but start to find goodness in the small things in life such as taking up sport and exercise, eating B17 in your diet.

Another good way is to have an interest in stuff like renewable energy because there are loads of devices that can really hurt the oil companies and hence BUSH and his puppet masters.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2941416190740682934&hl=en-GB

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6170810824086226301&hl=en-GB

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8294928602279039059&hl=en-GB

They have just stopped one of my vids called Magnetic Vortex:

Place fridge magnets around the outside all the same way but leave a gap. Put a speaker magnet or other cross section of a bar magnet in the centre and you have a rotating magnetic VORTEX. Zero point energy powers quantum mechanics, and quantum mechanics powers our reality. Everything is energy and Energy is everything. Now imagine if you used an induction coil in conjunction with this magnetic vortex - would you not have an Electric Generator?

I will have to change the name and resubmit that one.

TTFN

JB;)

[blackerj]

Hi,

Grab this quick before they take it off, get a copy of the explanation too as above.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2507682051856886729

TTFN

JB

:eek:

[helloperator]

What is that? It looks like a floating mushroom and he makes clouds form over the top

[christophera]

Hi,

Grab this quick before they take it off, get a copy of the explanation too as above.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2507682051856886729

TTFN

JB

:eek:

Good stuff. Interaction between circularly polarized magnetic fields and regular fields with perpendicular imposition of the latter on the former.

[helloperator]

You make everything sound so clear ;)

[christophera]

You make everything sound so clear ;)

The term "circularly" polarized field doesn't exist in electrophysics but that is what is happening there. I did some experiments with an associate MIT professor in 1979 regarding the FAraday motor and that was our only conclusion.

We do not know everything about electricity or magnetism, not by a long shot.

[helloperator]

You'd still have to dim it down a shade for me!

[blackerj]

Hi, Here goes:

Everything is energy, Energy is Everything.

A magnetic field or FLUX as Engineers call it are actually particles, but they are somewhat unreal in our 4D spacetime and we call them VIRTUAL photons.


If I take an atom, do you suppose it ever stops working? NO, it keeps going, but really it is not solid, it is a set of wave functions and probability functions, the energy which makes up the Atom is moving about within a confined potential well area we call "The Atom". An atom is condensed energy.

When I have a dipole formed within a set of atoms a moving Electric field forms, which in turn generates a magnetic field.

Where does the energy come from to power the Magnetic field?

The Zero point energy field which sits behind the reality we perceive as our Spacetime, the quantum mechanics merely channels the energy, it is not its source.

(just like the wind for a wind turbine, the energy comes from the sun initially)

Now, if we use the flow of virtual photons before we allow then to return back to the zero point energy field, we can use the inefficiencies in that system to benefit us in our 4D Spacetime reality.

Every system has losses, well, we use the losses of the magnetic flux system.

The Zero point energy field's loss, is temporarily our gain.

The device in question sets up a rotating magnetic vortex, which if used in conjunction with an induction coil is the solution to the worlds energy shortage.

Yes that is correct, you are now working on the real core of the problem - Energy.



Going back to the other core problem and why it just turned to dust:

The fact matter is not actually solid is the reason why a specific beam could in theory bring down the WTC and its core. Particausation is the name of the top secret "star wars" technology.

Also check out "the Hutchinson effect" at Google Video.

TTFN

JB (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)


Did that explain it ok?:D

[christophera]

Hi, Here goes:

Everything is energy, Energy is Everything.


Very good explanation connecting electro physics to the visible world. I'll go another direction just to show how energy has become such a powerful political factor.

How does oil get to be so important?

Our needs have become entangled with oil by purposeful mismanagement. How?

CENTRALIZATION

Industrial manufacturing is by nature centralized so some items we need must come from centralized sources, but we have allowed our food itself to become that way and this makes us very weak, very vulnerable to manipulation.

So when you say "energy is everything" that is really where you are going that is most meaningful.

We allowed corporations to make decisions for us that determined what aspects of our needs would be centralized. Rather than maintaining control of these decisions we relinquished them by default as we were distracted by media corporations that exploited our animal instincts for their purposes of profit.

Sadly there were no artistic entities capable of producing media that would graphically demonstrate the proper way for us to percieve our growing dependence upon centralization and loss of control over meeting our own neds in the areas where we exist. This went beyond one generation. We are now into the second generation of this.

But the exploitation went a step further. It disabled our ability to agree upon what our needs are by disrupting the dicernment between the differences of WANT & NEED.

We no have a difficult time knowing the difference or even identifying exactly what our needs are AND JUSTIFYING sacrificing wants to meet needs.

Therein is the crux of the public inability to unify and take action of any kind. That and the related dilema of instant gratification.

So the concepts that blackerj and I toss about, no matter how relevant they are; without development into viable technologies and actual centrialized production of devices that use the technology that are then distributed which begin to end the centralized dependence; they will not be known for the profound impact they might have.

Back to media again. Which truth are they neglecting that is the most important truth and if we could tell the difference how would we unify to create a change and see that truth shared meaningfully by media?

[christophera]

chris_morganti posted in the "The Infiltration Of The Truth Movement", or the wrong thread about the concrete core. I've brought it over here where it should be.

Christophera you have never been able to provide any evidence of your concrete core theory, ever.
You have posted on many online forums and you have been exposed on some of them for being a fraud.

Don't come to another forum and start spreading your LIES.

Get the evidence, return with it, post it. Or forever be a disinformationalist or gatekeeper.

[christophera]

The built to demolish scenario begins with a steel reinforced cast concrete core. No one has ever come up with a reasonable explanation for what that core of WTC 2 is made of IF it is not concrete.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

There has been a major deception of the design of the tower. This, ...... is about the only official depiction of the core in existence.

http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif

Can anyone say the image at top represents in anyway the core of WTC 2 as seen at the top? People with experience in steel and concrete construction can tell you that the image at bottom cannot comprise the structure remnant at top.

FEMA has decieved America about the design and construction of the Twin towers.

[christophera]

If you haven't commented on these two photos of the core, please do.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/pagemaster/southzoom.jpg

The lower one I've commented on before. Perhaps I can refine that.

Both images have to be WTC 2 because WTC 1's core was cast to the 4th floor before the steel was erected. This was basically a mistake but that wasn't known yet.
Towers were traditionally vertically aligned by reference to the elevator guide rail supports as they were kept more plumb by necessity. With that in mind and that fact that contracts were let with a clause which made it the general contractors responsibiity to have elevators running as far up as possible in the towers for personel and material delivery.
Of course the elevator contractor has to have something to fasten the guide rail support to, they specified the concrete to be cast first with WTC 1. this made it necessary to form the outside of the core free standing, pull the forms and erect the steel surrounding the core. A very time consuming process. The 1990 PBS documentary "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" detailed the slowdowns associated with this.

A few years back, Mark Bilk did some usenet searches and located these comments from people that had some knowledge of the concrete core.

http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/chrisbrown/corerefs/

"Tony Jebson" <jebbo> wrote:

>......Apparently, the WTC towers had no internal
>structural columns but relied on the exterior structure for
>support / strength. No doubt the impact of an airplane does
>this no end of harm.
I worked in downtown NY in the late 1960's when the towers were
built! At lunch time we went to the construction site to watch the
progress. And we saw them first buildt an internal thick walled
rectangular concrete core inside which later the elevators ran. The
steel work was erected around this core several floors behind!

-=tom=-

What Tom didn't see was what was going on after the 5th floor. From the street you cannot see that. The steel was erected first and supported the outer concrete forms.
WTC 2 was built logically. The exterior steel was erected first. That is how I know it is WTC 2. In both photos the outer ring of steel is comprised of interior box columns. The vertical steel first inside of it is the major guide rail support steel and much smaller. The rest of guide rails were horizontally connected to that first set of support steel. The horizontals connecting that steel to the interior box columns were cast into the core walls and gave the guide rail support steel lateral strength at the bottom. There was at least one level of that with each 40 feet of concrete cast. I believe that continued far up into the tower.
The interior box columns provided support for the outer forms of the concrete and did not have to be removed. The exterior framwork was already started when the first 5 floors of concrete core was cast.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/pagemaster/wtc2small_1.jpg

We see the long side of WTC 2 core, or the row of interior box columns of the long side. It was oriented north south. By the shadows from the columns which are CCW from the column, we know the sun is to right. We are looking at the west face of WTC 2 core before the concrete is cast. Not the whole thing. The image cuts off the core just south of the middle.

From site: http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=14&MMN_position=20:20[/quote]

[christophera]

NIST claim there were 47 Large Steel CC

Indeed they tell you the dimensions.


http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data


There were no CC on any photo during collapse sequence except some which appeared to turn to dust because they had been blown to kingdom come prior or during collapse. No doubt the core and foundations were the first thing to be blown.

Regardless of core, plastic core, chewing gum core, rubber core or no core or even Concrete core - 911 was a demolition due to the freefall decent. PERIOD.

TTFN

JB (Physical Systems)(Lancaster England)

The problem with the steel core columns is that there can be no feasible explanation for the profound events of the Towers coming down as they did.

For example, describe feasibly describe how the "core is blown" with due regard for the amount of high explosives required to cut heavy temepered steel. then show us some columns cut that way.

Also, there seems to be something inherently wrong about believing FEMA and NIST without question when guiliani stole the WTC documents from the city offices, illegally, and hid them in his warehouse while we get faked, reject plans from silverstein

From the revision table of A-A-141.tiff of the downloadable scans of WTC 1 the plans are leaked from silversteins offices (http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_blueprints_leaked_by_whistleblower.htm)
http://algoxy.com/psych/planimages/gwtc1rev.tab141.anoma.DBL.gif

while the real things sits in the "Fortress"

http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0204/barrett.jpg




Our concern is based on the following facts, as we understand them. On or about December 24, 2001, Commissioner George Rios, on behalf of the City of New York and/or the Department of Records and Information Services of the City of New York, entered into a contract with the Rudolph W. Giuliani Center for Urban Affairs Inc., signed by Saul Cohen, President, concerning the records of the mayoralty of Rudolph Giuliani. The records are said to include appointment books, cabinet meeting audiotapes, e-mails, telephone logs, advance and briefing memos, correspondence, transition materials, and private schedules, as well as Mr. Giuliani's departmental, travel, event, subject, and Gracie Mansion files. Giuliani's "World Trade Center files"


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE2DF163AF936A15752C0A9649C8B 63
Rudy Giuliani has spent a lifetime dictating his own legend. When he was U.S. attorney in Manhattan, he abruptly ended the longtime practice of publishing annual reports, making reporters and others utterly dependent on his version of how productive the office was. And now, while peddling the story of his mayoralty for millions to publishers and moviemakers, he's gained exclusive control over a public record ordinarily available to all.

Gabe Pressman, the city's greatest television newsman, did an op-ed piece in the Times last week celebrating Bloomberg's destruction of Giuliani's eight-year stonewall. As accurate as this piece may prove to be about Bloomberg, it failed to note that the wall around Giuliani's public life has only relocated to a fortress in Queens. Giuliani does not trust the Bloomberg administration to resist FOIL requests for him, nor does he trust the charter to safeguard his myth. He will shape it himself for profit, laundering the people's papers through his own cadre of mercenaries and true believers, leaving for the public eye only what he sees fit.

And he was probably paid to take the documents

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0748,barrett,78478,6.html
Rudy's Ties to a Terror Sheikh
Giuliani's business contracts tie him to the man who let 9/11's mastermind escape the FBI
by Wayne Barrett
November 27th, 2007 3:39 PM

Three weeks after 9/11, when the roar of fighter jets still haunted the city's skyline, the emir of gas-rich Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifah al-Thani, toured Ground Zero. Although a member of the emir's own royal family had harbored the man who would later be identified as the mastermind of the attack—a man named Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, often referred to in intelligence circles by his initials, KSM—al-Thani rushed to New York in its aftermath, offering to make a $3 million donation, principally to the families of its victims. Rudy Giuliani, apparently unaware of what the FBI and CIA had long known about Qatari links to Al Qaeda, appeared on CNN with al-Thani that night and vouched for the emir when Larry King asked the mayor: "You are a friend of his, are you not?"
"We had a very good meeting yesterday. Very good," said Giuliani, adding that he was "very, very grateful" for al-Thani's generosity.[/quote]

I wished to add, and emphasize, that it's about the concrete core. As in, duh!

Here are explanations for the 5 profound factors which CAN be explained IF one uses the fully feasible built to demolish (cold war self destruct technology for sub bases and missile silos).

free fall (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
total pulverization (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/collapsed%20to%20dust.mpg)
superfine, heated particulate (http://www.tiny.cc/oonyg)
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif)
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1plumecascade.jpg)

The FEMA and the steel core column lie cannot be used to explain anything.

Support for the steel core columns is support for the impossible to obscure the possible.

What happened was better than a demolition, it was BUILT TO DEMOLISH.

All five of the above phenomena are feasibly explained and NONE of those who believe in the FEMA lie can feasibly explain even one.

free fall (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
Concrete can be fractured instantly to fall freely by a small amount of properly placed explosives. With C4 coated rebar and C4 poured into the floor corrugations that also acted as cutting charges for the interior box columns, the only full height columns that existed, free fall was assured. The security phone lines were used to distribute an audio tone to digital counters on every floor and every 40 foot of core. Floors were timed with 75 millisecond delays and core sections of 40 foot at 300 milliseconds.

total pulverization (http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/collapsed%20to%20dust.mpg)
The above free fall explanation takes care of the building but it needs to be said that when the floors blow and the 300 milliseconds delay of the core blast occurs, the contents of the building are subjected to an outward blast of hard stone aggregates that shred everything and blow it out the windows explaining the 3-5cm bone fragments on roofs 400 feet away.

superfine, heated particulate (http://www.tiny.cc/oonyg)
With an engineered explosive container made from concrete having the explosive coating on the centralized rebar, the pressures from optimum containment are absolutely maximized. Optimized pressures create a maximum shock wave lending to the total pulverization described in the above paragraph but also creating the 10-100 micron sized particles that are super heated to rise and form the distinctive pyroclastic flow. This also causes some of the iron of the rebar to be bonded to molecules of silica and calcium as seen in the dust analysis.

smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif)
The C4 filled corrugations died out into special corner plates that were described in the 1990 documentary as stiffeners for the floor to column joint. There were 6 plates per column, installed in 2 layers all the way around the tower every 3rd floor made from tempered steel, 3/8 thick I think. If these were high pressure gas guides a collapsing plane of high pressure gas would surround the column and slice through it performing as an optimized cutting charge built into the floors (http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383). Good evidence is shown with a ruptured column (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/explorupturedcolumn.gif). This also provides a very good explanation for the large quantity of iron microspheres as dark columns of iron particulate seen in images are blown out the tops of the severed but still standing interior box columns inside the clouds of debris in the surrounding demolition. (http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg)

heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1plumecascade.jpg)
Some of the cutting charges failed due to exposure to bad weather during construction. When this happened, large assemblies were intact and the webs of floor "I" beams against the core; still connected to floor beams going out to the perimeter columns, still connected by spandrel plates in the 3 story panels delivered for assembly; were subected to the expanding debris wave of the concrete core detonating which cause a billowing of the web of an "I" beam showing huge pressure applied horizontally (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/pre.cut.salvage.box.column.jpg)

Every phenomena explained in detail. All it depends upon is the infiltration of the US government before 1966 by a faction capable and secrecy adequate to design and construct such building for the purpose of eventual demolition.

[shredmasteruk]

free fall
total pulverization
superfine/heated particulate
smooth, square cut end of steel columns
the heaving of massive steel assemblies hundreds of feet

And they are not accountable to that fact.

Freefall ? Not so. Damaged, fire weakened structure suffered a bending moment, followed by progressive collapse, floors above hitting floors below with such force that they too failed, with the bolts shearing, stripping and bending, steel beams being BENT because they were hit so hard by the stuff above.
Total pulverisation ? again not so.
Superfine ? You expect the hydrogen bonds in concrete to be unbreakable ?
You expect gypsum to remain solid ? Unfortunately things don't work that way.
Smooth square cut ends of the steel columns ? They used flame cutters during the clean up operation.

http://www.iridescent-designs.co.uk/images/wtc/flamecutter-wtc-1.jpg
http://www.iridescent-designs.co.uk/images/wtc/flamecutter-wtc-2.jpg
http://www.iridescent-designs.co.uk/images/wtc/flamecutter-wtc-3.jpg
http://www.iridescent-designs.co.uk/images/wtc/flamecutter-wtc-4.jpg
http://www.iridescent-designs.co.uk/images/wtc/flamecutter-wtc-5.jpg

See ?

Its not rocket science.
Study bending moments for a bit and you'd understand.

Structural Steel can fail at as little as 550 degrees C, thats 1000 degrees below its melting point.
http://www.corusconstruction.com/en/design_and_innovation/structural_design/fire/steelwork_fire_resistance/effect_of_temperature_profile/

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/materialInFire/Steel/default.htm

Regards.

[weston white]

Shred please stop spreading this type of fiction.

[christophera]

Shred please stop spreading this type of fiction.

Ditto, Shred. Most of us know what a cutting torch by this time. I personally have been using them for 30 years plus and know exactly what there effect is and this,

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif

Is NOT from a cutting torch. But, the red tinge to the area behind the cut shows that a great deal of heat was used as such is typical with high heat application to steel near a cut because the cut causes iron particles to be squeezed from the steel where it immediately rusts.

[shredmasteruk]

Weston, Chris, I ain't spreading fiction.

Those cuts ARE from cutting torches.

And the thermite disinfo distracts from the real problems of what occurred and what is still occuring.

Before 9/11 the Bush admin ignored the warnings, nothing was done to beef up airport security and armed men were able to hijack planes they wouldn't otherwise have been able to hijack.

After 9/11 the Bush admin tried to cover up their mistakes.

After 9/11 the Bush admin tried to fabricate a link to Saddam Hussein to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq.

As an anti war campaigner, I'd love to see Bush stand trial in the Hague, but that does not mean I'd let Islamic terrorists off the hook. They are also a problem.

[raffles]

Weston, Chris, I ain't spreading fiction.

Those cuts ARE from cutting torches.

And the thermite disinfo distracts from the real problems of what occurred and what is still occuring.

Before 9/11 the Bush admin ignored the warnings, nothing was done to beef up airport security and armed men were able to hijack planes they wouldn't otherwise have been able to hijack.

After 9/11 the Bush admin tried to cover up their mistakes.

After 9/11 the Bush admin tried to fabricate a link to Saddam Hussein to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq.

As an anti war campaigner, I'd love to see Bush stand trial in the Hague, but that does not mean I'd let Islamic terrorists off the hook. They are also a problem.

So are you saying you believe 19 hijackers are responsable for 9/11 ??

[christophera]

So are you saying you believe 19 hijackers are responsable for 9/11 ??

Just to clarify where I stand, not sure if you refer directly to my thread information or not.

No, that would be a simplification, a generalization. Planes had nothing to do with 2, 1,350 foot towers falling at speeds nearing free fall, that is what I'm saying.

19 hijackers are not even responsible for getting onto the planes and flying freely about to slam into towers. The entire plane thing is a ruse to provide an explanation for justifying attacking Muslim nations and ripping off some oil, then us. Then removing the US Constitution.

[weston white]

Cutting torches would not leave mounds of slag behind and for that matter somebody cutting would not cut at a steep angle (45 degrees) and would not likely be able to consistently cut in straight lines.

A hand cut metal would not look as it would have looked as if it was cut using the band attachments which are used to hold the thermate/thermite in place before it is charged.

[christophera]

Cutting torches would not leave mounds of slag behind

Cutting torches do leave lots of slag behind depending on conditions. Inexperienced operators typically do so. Under salvage conditions with bad positioning/access/visibility, huge amounts of slag are unavoidable. Sometimes they are so large they interfere with completing the cut and obscure pieces of metal not cut.

and for that matter somebody cutting would not cut at a steep angle (45 degrees)

There is a good reason for the angle. It facilitates horizontal travel when an excavator with a grapple snaps of the tabs that are left. When the column comes out of the vertical position it is also moving away from the hole while it is moving into a mor horizontal position where the grapple actually has a better hold of the steel.

and would not likely be able to consistently cut in straight lines.

Torches can cut in stright lines but good position and access must exist. Even then there is a slightly varigated surface.

A hand cut metal would not look as it would have looked as if it was cut using the band attachments which are used to hold the thermate/thermite in place before it is charged.

Do we have a sample of what the themite cutter attachment leaves for a cut?

Thermite was used in huge quantities but we do not have a sample of any piece of steel cut by it. The fact of the masses of molten steel are PROOF of thermite. It is not possible by any other means to have those quantities.

[weston white]

You should watch 9/11 The Myth and the Reality (and 9/11 Blueprint for truth), Griffith would disagree with you, as would I.

[christophera]

You should watch 9/11 The Myth and the Reality (and 9/11 Blueprint for truth), Griffith would disagree with you, as would I.

I've been a welder for 35 years and have done a fair amount of salvage. Wanna' buy my old Hobart 250 amp DC/reverse arc welder? Only $1100.00. One twist of the key and it runs. See that knob on the left? Fine current control, brand new rheostat under that old knob. Rebuilt Willys industrial engine too.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/250.amp.hobart.panel.jpg

I'm also a heavy equipment operator on occasion, my feet helping a John Deere 120 C excavator down a 2:1 slope.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/belmonte_exdown2.jpg

Mostly these days I work as a surveyor. My Nikon DTM 551, 1 second total station on a job doing foundation layout.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/nikon2dtm551.jpg

Who the hell is Griffith? Does he know anything about welding and construction? Do any of these producers of 9-11 videos know anything about construction?

I do know about construction, and I know about high explosives too. I studied for my blasters license in 1985.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

[weston white]

I have done some welding myself (I am certainly no professional though), I also use to operate a Case 1450 Crawler w/ a clamshell bucket and 18" rippers, and a Mason Tractor with front loader and rear bucket attachments, I also use to be a cattle rancher on my stepfathers 100 acre cattle ranch... but that is beside the point... everything in the many photos as well as evidence collected points to the use of thermate/thermite, what you are claiming makes no sense.

CD experts have stated that those beams at WTC1 and WTC2 were cut in a matter consistent with how they would have used thermate/thermite to demolish a building. They are not consistent with a person cutting them and then leaving them lay scattered all over the crime scene... that is just ludicrous to state that, really it is.

[christophera]

I have done some welding myself (I am certainly no professional though), I also use to operate a Case 1450 Crawler w/ a clamshell bucket and 18" rippers, and a Mason Tractor with front loader and rear bucket attachments, I also use to be a cattle rancher on my stepfathers 100 acre cattle ranch... but that is beside the point... everything in the many photos as well as evidence collected points to the use of thermate/thermite, what you are claiming makes no sense.

CD experts have stated that those beams at WTC1 and WTC2 were cut in a matter consistent with how they would have used thermate/thermite to demolish a building. They are not consistent with a person cutting them and then leaving them lay scattered all over the crime scene... that is just ludicrous to state that, really it is.

if the "CD experts' said they were beams, question their authenticity. Those are columns. "Expert" are being ucreated, used on a daily basis to produce nonsense explanations so middle America will laugh at the truth movement.

I've done more deep fillet welds than I should of. Low hydrogen rod, 7018 has shit for fumes.

As an operator/salvage torch man, I've taken out a few heavy columns. The below IS NOT a thermite cut. I can see the varigations of the oxygen jet on it. On this page,

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo-rense.html

I have a full explanation of why it is cut at an angle from the persepctive of a salvage torch operator AND an equipment operator.

http://www.rense.com/general70/pic87932.jpg

We have no pictures of thermite cuts from the WTC that I've seen. The thermite fixtures we've seen are too damm expensive except for real limited use. Diagonal cuts on vertical pieces are standard to control the pieces direction of tilt/fall/twist. Here is a high res of the below image, Sheared Columns (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg). Examine the cut on the far end of the top column. Do you know what that cut is?

I consider the below to be minor miracles. Absolutely the work of cutting charges using high explosives on steriods, ... or a design that promotes the high pressure gasses to turn into plasma and slice through that tempered steel on a perfect plane.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif

Generally a thermite cut is completely amorphus, round, tapered, melted edges. Never a real line seen in a cut of a vertical piece, probably not a horizontal cut either. The stuff is liquid while burning. The fixture is to keep it in place, concentrated so it can penetrate.

There was tons of thermite used but it was used exclusively below grade to take out the super thick column bases. We will never see any images of that work. Cameras were forbidden and it was all shipped to India and China immediately.

[weston white]

That reminds me. Also keep in mind how high thoughs cuts are, if workers had cut them they would have had to have been either 10 feet tall or standing on a cherry picker... what would be the point of that why nut just cut near the ground.

[christophera]

That reminds me. Also keep in mind how high thoughs cuts are, if workers had cut them they would have had to have been either 10 feet tall or standing on a cherry picker... what would be the point of that why nut just cut near the ground.

There are quite a few images showing workers cutting from baskets hanging from cranes.
If the piece is too big, when it cuts loose it can cause surroundings to destabilize or do the same to what supports it.

[weston white]

Yea but that was for that tall partial pillar that was left standing fragmented, it was about 3-4 stories tall? That is an exception to numerous singular beams left standing (where the cuts were made to cause WTC1 and WTC2 to collapse). So, why cut them so high, why not cut them right next to the ground, that makes not sense, not to mention in using a basket it appears that it would be very inconvenient as there are debris sticking up everywhere it would be hard to navigate it that close to the ground.

[christophera]

A new image shows the concrete core right of the massive interior box column of WTC 1. A small utility hallway cast into the 12 foot thick base wall of the concrete shear wall, cast tubular steel reinforced concrete core, establishes the fact.

http://i30.tinypic.com/11qgyzd.jpg

[christophera]

Cristophera, again you seem to have posted a lot of information but with no point. You are answering my qustions with questions in an obvious attempt to deflect them. What about the .45 claiber bullet you have used as justification for punching through steel?

I'm not answering in the NPT thread because I won't even support that disinformation enough to post in the thread. Disinformation because it has so little supporting evidence that it makes people ashamed of the 9-11 truth movement.

I've said that an airplane was going near the speed of a 45 caliber pistol bullet, not that a 45 caliber pistol bullet would punch through that steel. So you are not being intellectually honest with your comment. The weight of the jet liner at that speed bends and fractures the perimeter columns.

The exterior sections and panels were prefabs and would have been heat treated in the manner I suggested....not hardened and made brittle as you suggest. In any case, for extruded sections or not, your analysis of the mechanical properties of a heat treated section is way off the mark.

I did not use the term hardened. You replaced my term with hardened. ANother point of intellectual dishonesty.

I said "tempered". "Heat treated" is a form of tempering.

Look at any impact zone photo for the evidence of shearing.....check where the wing tips were supposed to be and you will see it

You are the one asserting the planes wings were shearing tempered steeel, you provide an image of it.

I do demolition and the fact that there was a steel reinforced cast concrete core in the center of both towers. I have evidence of many types and my information is useful because ANY official who is interested inthe truth can damend a limited invetistigation to get the true design and construction of the towers for the public, who deserve it by law.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

September 13, 2001 (http://web.archive.org/web/20040807085840/http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069641/)

The engineer behind the World Trade Center speaks about the structures

The south tower, built with its twin in 1973, collapses on Tuesday

Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did—managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.

The structural engineer who published the below PDF is certified in 12 states. See chapter 2.1

August Domel, Ph.d SE. PE. (http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf)

Groundbreaking for construction of the World Trade Center took place on August 5, 1966 Tower One, standing 1368 feet high, was completed in 1970, and Tower Two, at 1362 feet high, was completed in 1972. The structural design for the World Trade Center Towers was done by Skilling, Helle, Christiansen and Robertson. It was designed as a tube building that included a perimeter moment-resisting frame consisting of steel columns spaced on 39-inch centers. The load carrying system was designed so that the steel facade would resist lateral and gravity forces and the interior concrete core would carry only gravity loads.

[christophera]

Search for "concrete core" and see what comes up and how much opposition there is. Now wonder why such opposition exists for the worlds most common building material as the core of the tower which is also well evidenced by images from 9-11 while steel core columns are not.

[christophera]

Recently a denier of the concrete core, supporter of the official FEMA structure, posted this and said, "Look, no concrete". They neglected to notice that the outer concrete forms are being built behind the interior box columns.

WTC 2's concrete core was poured inside the interior box columns after the steel was up.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4536/im958lguq5.jpg

WTC 1, at the beginning of the learning curve, had its concrete core cast with free standing forms then the steel built around it as this usenet message describes. After the 5th floor it was cast inside. But a person on the street wouldn't be able to see that.



http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/chrisbrown/corerefs/ConcreteCore.002.txt

"Tony Jebson" <jebbo@texas.net> wrote:

>......Apparently, the WTC towers had no internal
>structural columns but relied on the exterior structure for
>support / strength. No doubt the impact of an airplane does
>this no end of harm.
I worked in downtown NY in the late 1960's when the towers were
built! At lunch time we went to the construction site to watch the
progress. And we saw them first buildt an internal thick walled
rectangular concrete core inside which later the elevators ran. The
steel work was erected around this core several floors behind!

[christophera]

The following is another usenet comment by someone who actually studied the Twin Towers. The author knows well there was a concrete core. His dimensions are off. The core was 80 x 120 feet on the inside.

Of course his appraisal of plane damage and fire result from the default official lie, but the structural description is quite good.


September 17, 2001
Dear Mom and Dad,

I had just started a letter to you folks when I checked my voice mail
and had a message from Dad to call him back. I enjoyed our brief call, and
thanks for the stock update. I am still shaken over what has happened. I keep
replaying that day over and over in my head. We studied the Trade Towers
extensively when I was in school. They were one of the first examples of an
innovative and efficient structural concept called "tube" restraint. The Sears
Towers are a variation called "bundled tube construction" and the idea is based
on a minimum of interior columns, with the exterior facade having more numerous
exterior perimeter columns. In the case of the WTC, there are no interior
columns. Only a central concrete core roughly 60-80 feet square comprised of
several vertical voids that house exit stairs, hoistways for the elevators,
utility raceways and mechanical chases; and also, significantly, the sprinkler
system main lines. The floors were prefabricated broad cellular panels of
parallel trusses and main decking that had a light weight concrete topping
applied after they were installed. They spanned a distance of roughly 60 feet
from the concrete core to the exterior gridwork of columns and horizontal
beams. the floor trusses restrained the exterior walls and prevented them from
buckling outward. The exterior structural system was prefabricated in panels of
multiple columns (steel tubes only 14 inches square) that spanned vertically
through 2 or three floors. This was a fast way to erect the building and helped
enclose the building faster. At the upper floors, the winds are so high at
times that no other work can begin (including pouring the floor topping) until
the exterior is in place.

Once the building was closed in, the underside of the floor assemblies
were sprayed with a cementitious mineral fiber coating for fire resistance.
Then the sprinkler lines were run, along with ductwork laterals from the main
ducts built into the floor assemblies. A ceiling grid would have been hung and
minor interior partitions fastened to the floor and ceiling grid and covered
with gypsum board panels. A building that size, 10 million square feet, would
have each floor (roughly 40,000 square feet each) separated by fire/smoke
barriers and exit corridors that prevented the migration of smoke and fire
throughout a given floor.

The stairs would have been considered an absolutely safe haven to leave
a fire-envolved floor to an area of safety. In high rise construction, the
stair towers are required to have the capability of being pressurized by large
fans so that, in a fire emergency, smoke will be kept out of the stair; even
with a number of the stair doors open. Otherwise it makes a perfect chimney.
That is why you should never use an elevator in a fire. There are hose
connections and hose cabinets at each floor so the firemen can fight the blaze
where ever it may occur without hauling hose up the building.

I'm no structural engineer, but the impact of the planes must have
severely damaged the center core. They were designed to handle a Boeing 707; a
typical plane in use in the late 60's. But no one imagined the thousands of
gallons of fuel that poured into the structure. With essentially every fire
barrier breached, the fuel must have flowed everywhere, and poured down the
cavities between floors. They say the fuel combined with all of the furnishings
produced fire temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees. Building beams and
columns are protected with the fire proofing to prevent structural failure at
temperatures of 1500 degrees for 1-hour. That is the way we design them per the
requirements of the various building codes. Combined with the automatic
sprinkler systems, the fire proofing in a structural steel building is intended
to give firemen enough time to contain the blaze.

With the sprinkler risers severed, and the cascading flood of fuel, the
firemen would never have been able to save the building's structure from
thermal failure in time. Ironically, Building 2 survived exactly one hour
before it collapsed. Building 1 lasted close to 1 3/4 hours. When the high
temperature caused the first few floor trusses to sag and pull away from the
exterior wall, the wall buckled outwards, causing a chain reaction of dropping
floor trusses, and buckling walls all the way to the bottom. The center core
would have been only designed to accommodate gravity loads, vertically imposed
loads. The falling floors must have created so much lateral force that the core
disintegrated in the same chain reaction. As each floor pancaked, a shockwave
blew out the windows and expelled the dust cloud of pulverized concrete, gypsum
dust, and the cementitious fiber fireproofing. It was one of the first
buildings constructed without asbestos fireproofing, so there should have been
no danger of that in the dust cloud.

In the last week, I have moved from shock and disbelief, through grief,
and have settled into an anger that won't go away. I keep thinking of those now
5,400 innocent people looking themselves in the mirror for the last time,
getting dressed for the last time and going to work. I can't imagine how those
firemen searching through the debris must feel. People of my generation, as I
mentioned to you before, never had a Great Depression, or a Pearl Harbor to
galvanize us and crystallize our beliefs; to bring us together as one nation. We
were just a pampered, unappreciative, self-centered bunch of self important
egos; wondering how best to get ahead. I don't think that is the case any more.
I still don't think the seriousness and gravity of this tragedy has hit us;
those of us without your WW II perspective.

September 18, 2001

I saw David Letterman last night; his first broadcast since Tuesday. He
will probably never have a re-run of it, and if you didn't see it, it would be
hard to describe. Last week I wondered how his show and Leno's would be able to
come back with their usual irreverent "make-fun-of-everything-that-moves" brand
of humor. Letterman's show opened with no music or monologue. Just him sitting
at his desk with scattered quiet applause. He said that he didn't now if this
show would work, doubting whether he could pull it off. Then he proceeded to
convey his thoughts for about twenty minutes. His hands were shaking and his
voice wavered. He lavished Giuliani with praise, saying he was "the definition
of courage..." He used profanity, un-edited but somehow appropriate. It was
riveting. His first guest was Dan Rather, who has always seemed to me too cool
and professional to the point of being dull. Well he made it clear by the way
he spoke and the things he said, that he had been waiting a long time to unload
his thoughts and speak his mind. He broke down twice; too emotional to finish
what he was saying. It was an incredible sight.

I don't know what is going to happen next. Does anybody? I can't
believe how astonishingly unbelievable this all has been. I think I know now
how you all might have felt on December 7th. But look where we are 60 years
later. I'm glad we have the experienced folks in there. Cheny, Powell,
Rumsfeld. And the young frat boy Bush doesn't seem that way any more. He has
really risen to the horrible occasion. I can't bring myself to think what Gore,
Reno, and Albright would do to muster confidence in the country. I know we'll
get through this. Those buildings will be built back like they were, only
taller. And we'll leave your grandchildren a safer world. God bless America.

You folks take care.

Love, Phil

[dangermouse]

http://911review.org/WTC/images/wtccoreshilouette.jpg


:eek:

[christophera]

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtccoreshilouette.jpg


:eek:

Nice image of the concrete core of WTC 1 above the 70th floor with its single hallways crossing the core in both direction every floor.

WTC 2 was different, with 2 hallways crossing the core in both directions.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/silhouettenoontosouth.jpg

[christophera]

Yea, people don't realize that those silhouette images actually show a concrete core more than they do steel core columns.

[christophera]

All of the images from 9-11 show an empty core area with the far wall comprised of rebar after concrete detonated from explosives cast into it.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

That image is specially used to actually show how the rebar fits into the steel exterior framework as the reinforcing of the concrete shear walls in the video.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

[christophera]

All of the images from 9-11 show an empty core area with the far wall comprised of rebar after concrete detonated from explosives cast into it.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

That image is specially used to actually show how the rebar fits into the steel exterior framework as the reinforcing of the concrete shear walls in the video.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

One image I didn't get to incorporate in the video was this one of the WTC 2 core near the top. No way can anyone say that shows steel core columns. The thick blue lines represent doorways on the long core side, thin lines represent edges of hall openings on the core narrow ends.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/WTC2.coreariel.jpg

Has anyone ever been blinded by fresh cast concrete reflecting sunlight off of cast surfaces made by smooth steel forms? I have. Concrete can get quite shiny and a oblique. low angle really works to reflect well.