View Full Version : Police Harassment In Front Garden
dondaz
02-08-2007, 11:51 PM
It wasn't Me Officer!
I was in my front garden a few hours ago, clearing up the flood rubbish, buzzing from some very nice green and listening to soglads version of Cavatina by John Williams, a great number by the way, check it out here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7012, when I saw this kid across the road from my house getting harrased by the police for no honest reason.
I ran inside, grabbed my camera, turned off the music and went back outside.
They couldn't get nothing on this innocent kid and had to let him go.
That's when they saw me filming from my garden.
The Hitman and Her
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/the-hitman-and-her.jpg
This is what I filmed:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
I know some of you might slag me off for being sarcastic and not obeying the police, but I think, in this instance, they are fascist trouble makers.
They blew my fucking high too!
lightbeing
03-08-2007, 12:14 AM
Good one dondaz, I liked the way you didn't back down:) It's alright for them to not like the camera, never mind the 10 million fucking CCTV cams in the UK looking at us!!:rolleyes:
I can't watch you tube because it knocks out my firewall but you did the right thing. I've witnessed a couple of similar situations but unfortunately didn't have a camera on me, what did they say to you when you took their picture? Have the police got the right to confiscate the film? Because if the police haven't got the right to confiscate camera film I'm going to film a load of them at this years Notting Hill Carnival which is at the end of my road.
mukulu
03-08-2007, 12:46 AM
Good on ya mate, well done...
Its about time the c**ksuckers were put in their place.
mentalogirl
03-08-2007, 12:52 AM
Wow,amazing.Well done.I don't know if I would have had the courage to face them.The police sort of scare me,after they shot that innocent guy at Stockwell tube.
How did you know the law and that it was not an offense to film then?I mean,could you point me to some links where I might inform myself about this as well?:confused:
peachped
03-08-2007, 01:28 AM
Well batted dondaz and great photo there, you've shown them up for the empty headed -tap turning- brain dead 'yes sir I will' drones that they are.
dondaz
03-08-2007, 01:38 AM
alright for them to not like the camera, never mind the 10 million fucking CCTV cams in the UK looking at us!
Whatever happened to Equal Rights?
I can't watch you tube because it knocks out my firewal
I am just uploading it to VEOH and will post URL asap!
Have the police got the right to confiscate the film? Because if the police haven't got the right to confiscate camera film I'm going to film a load of them at this years Notting Hill Carnival which is at the end of my road.
The police are not allowed to take your camera from you. That is theft.
As long as you don't interfear with them or get in their way, they should by law, leave you alone. But even more important than the law is the fact you are doing no wrong in filming the police in public.
I have worked on many film and tv productions, BBC, Channel 5, Granada as a camera truck driver and grips, mostly location filming, public and private places.
I have been documentary filming in public for over 12 years and the laws haven't changed much.
How did you know the law and that it was not an offense to film then?I mean,could you point me to some links where I might inform myself about this as well?
Lucky guess!:D
There are laws for production companies that use large film crews and there are laws for the independant film-maker.
FREE DOWNLOAD - The UK Photographers Rights Guide: http://www.sirimo.co.uk/media/UKPhotographersRights.pdf
Filming with your camcorder is just like taking stills, the law is the same.
There have been quite a few attempts to intimidate me by the police over the years, I have loads of it on film and will be posting it in other films I'm putting together.
mitch_lane
03-08-2007, 01:47 AM
Well done dondaz, way to keep your cool.
I photographed some police officers a year or so ago who were "helping" ( fare protection) some bus inspectors check tickets on a bus line in the West Midlands- WMTE( which is a private company, something that the police denied when I confronted them with it).
When spotted I got much the same reaction as you recorded ( I only had a still camera at the time) and after I shrugged off the first salvo and carried on taking pictures a more aggressive pair came over to me. They accused me, as in your film, of acting illegally. I pointed out that this was not true and indicated that the CCTV cameras covering the street must also be illegal if this were the case. At that point they tried to accuse me of frightening the bus company staff by taking their photo's too, indicating that, because one of the staff was a woman, that I was akin to a stalker. I treated this with the derision that it deserved and asked- because one of the police officers was also a woman- if she was scared of me taking her picture. When she answered in the negative ( no pun intended, honest!) I asked her then why she thought that she was so much braver than the woman from the bus company and volunteered to go and ask the woman if it was okay to take her picture. I was then given a lecture on why they were boarding and checking the buses: it was, apparently, due to buses being used by gangs to run drugs ( nothing to do with revenue protection at all). I don't know how many on this forum are from the West Midlands but any that are will know how haphazard the bus service can be so I suggested to the police officers that if gangs were really running drugs and making meets by bus then the best way to destroy their operation was to not interfere as they would never make a meet or a buy on time: went down like a lead balloon.
Stood my ground but it was quite nervy so big congrats for standing your ground and showing these robots up for not even knowing their own laws.
dondaz
03-08-2007, 02:07 AM
I suggested to the police officers that if gangs were really running drugs and making meets by bus then the best way to destroy their operation was to not interfere as they would never make a meet or a buy on time: went down like a lead balloon.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/sideplitter.gif
Get those pictures posted then mate!
Here's a link for the vid on VEOH: 301 Moved Permanently
Is there some kind of legal Act that you can quote to the police if they try to tell you it's illegal to film them in a public place? That way it cuts their argument dead.
lemonique
03-08-2007, 02:26 AM
Well done Dondaz.....impressively handled!!
Lemonique
cruise4
03-08-2007, 02:29 AM
Quality Post dondaz... well funny. Well done mate! They always try the intimidate bit cause it usually works. If you've got a copy of the laws on that I'd love to see them. Can I link it into the http://www.nineeleven.co.uk site?
It definately counts as activism!
Is there some kind of legal Act that you can quote to the police if they try to tell you it's illegal to film them in a public place? That way it cuts their argument dead.
Also, a few months ago I witnessed two women with children surrounded by about 20 policemen in a shopping centre, didn't have a camera with me but if I had what is the law on filming on private property?
notaslave
03-08-2007, 02:36 AM
That was ACE, the cheeky bar stewards coming into your garden and bossing you around and then they had to leave, tail between their legs, when they discovered they couldn't a) intimidate you and b) stop you filming. I havent laughed so much in ages.
Why dont they get a proper job?
He should put the picture of the coppers on a gay website and send the link to the nick.
lumukanda
03-08-2007, 07:32 AM
oh that was fucking brilliant man, well done, they just didn't have it in them to apologize did they, and then one of them tries to goad you into a fight near the end.
llogun
03-08-2007, 08:11 AM
The reason you couldnt see the coppers tails is because they were they were so far up there arse after that. Nice one mate ive put that in my favorites
danielg
03-08-2007, 09:59 AM
Well done man, kinda highlights Huxleys comments about people "without self". Vacant paranoid machines.
Have you thought of taking the tape down the station and making a complaint, just to be as awkward as they are being?
well done that man a victory for common sense .
My name is not important thats Mr Important to you , my close friends call me not .
Get up stand up , stand up for your rights :D
Hay dondaz
great video, can I post it on prisonplanet forum I am a member
I am sure the guys on there will love it:D
If you agree I will also post any commits you want to make about it
stickwhistler
03-08-2007, 04:58 PM
Interesting that when you asked them for their names, they sauntered off.
I believe they have to give their name, number and station when asked.
They were also not displaying their numbers as they are required to do,
so they can be identified if necessary.
http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/operational-policing/powers-pace-codes/
One law for 'us' another for the 'PTB'!
Nice one Dondaz :)
bennett211085
03-08-2007, 05:12 PM
that was class. nice one :D:D
dondaz
04-08-2007, 11:33 AM
They came back and arrested me yesterday.
Just been in a cell for 22 hours. Gonna have a *** and a bath and will be back with the other footage.
You will not catch your breath at this!
I will answer your posts in a short while, sorry but I've been locked up all night with a bunch of cold turkeys.
Yeah, pass it on to anyone and every one. I'm sick of them round here now.
Criminals in police uniforms, the ultimate false front!
lumukanda
04-08-2007, 11:50 AM
i cannot believe this shit, let no one deny that you guys live in a police state.
Hi dondaz
this is the tread I started on prisonplanet forum
https://prisonplanet.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3394.0
You have to be a paid member to post but you can read it for free
If there anything you want me to change or add let me know.
I hope you are ok.
also posted in general to link to it
https://prisonplanet.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3396.0
cruise4
04-08-2007, 05:27 PM
You are also linked on here:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10651&highlight=
Cheeky bastards, can't wait to hear the next installment.
notaslave
04-08-2007, 05:59 PM
What charge? Filming on your own property?
Can't wait to see the next installment of the blue fascists.
anoninnyc
04-08-2007, 06:08 PM
good for you for filming this. wtf???? don't these cops have anything better to do? you were on your own property. how dare they?
Ian2day
04-08-2007, 06:41 PM
The bit with the male officer on the radio being recorded could mean that. They could try and say that he is intercepting a police communication illegally. Is it not covered under the 1922 wireless and telegraphy act or something?
anoninnyc
04-08-2007, 06:48 PM
questions, as i am american i am unfamiliar with your laws..........
1. were the police on your actual property?
2. are they allowed to do so without your permission?
3. is it ok because it was the front lawn or because you did not protest?
auron
04-08-2007, 07:59 PM
I just watched the video now. Dondaz you are a fucking legend mate! :)
You tell em!
Shit to hear you got arrested though. Like you were saying in the video, you have done nothing wrong, and I'm sure you'll come out of this victorious! :D
Fuck the police and everything they represent.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/peeing-man.gif
http://homepage3.nifty.com/hotwell/G%20BRITAIN/PLC/BRITAIN%20POLICE%20(20).JPG
raffles
04-08-2007, 08:44 PM
Fantastic job dondaz, good to see someone sticking up for themselves against these facist bastards.
bennett211085
04-08-2007, 08:47 PM
Are you going to use the video as evidence in court?
Because it seems to show them up as the troublemakers.
paolo
04-08-2007, 10:25 PM
Just adding to the accolades, Dondaz. Can't wait to hear why they managed to lock you up for 22 hours. The real reason being of course your affront to their feeble authoritay
sirjohnthebadji
04-08-2007, 10:38 PM
They came back and arrested me yesterday.
Just been in a cell for 22 hours. Gonna have a *** and a bath and will be back with the other footage.
You will not catch your breath at this!
I will answer your posts in a short while, sorry but I've been locked up all night with a bunch of cold turkeys.
Yeah, pass it on to anyone and every one. I'm sick of them round here now.
Criminals in police uniforms, the ultimate false front!
Dondaz! Very nice one. Have a really good rest. Big UP!
tinmenace
04-08-2007, 10:42 PM
OMFG! What a couple of fascist cocks those cops were! Against the law to be filming from your own freaking front door!!! WTF!!!?
Good job at not backing down! Good job at not giving your name (even though they were TOTALLY trying to intimidate you), and I loved it when you asked for theirs! As civil servants I believe they should have given you their name. Self righteous pricks!
nickatnoon61
04-08-2007, 11:04 PM
OMFG! What a couple of fascist cocks those cops were! Against the law to be filming from your own freaking front door!!! WTF!!!?
Good job at not backing down! Good job at not giving your name (even though they were TOTALLY trying to intimidate you), and I loved it when you asked for theirs! As civil servants I believe they should have given you their name. Self righteous pricks!
THANX TIN AND DONDAZ, below are some comments from me on the Superconsciousness forum. I have had many run-ins with the pigs. I have little to NO respect for the "LAW'. This guy Mike,(mc) is an ex-cop in Missouri. He continually defends the criminal "just-us" system. This dialogue is pertaining to a video that was provided on the forum by another member, from Alex Jones about the Police State. In the video a truthseeking lady is arrested , at a roadblock for not giving her name.SHADES OF NAZI GERMANY!!! She broke no laws. I will see if I can find the Youtube video. Mike also denies that 911 was an inside job!I was slandered, smeared and banned from this forum, after a few weeks, for being critical of such rubbish......
From: m c <querier2003@yahoo.com>
Date: July 25, 2007 7:58:24 PM PDT (CA)
To: superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Superconsciousness Fwd: SANITY REIGNS: Architects, engineers present the facts of 9/11
Reply-To: superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com
Just what is the point of all this diatribe? More and?more it seems that all this rhetoric is an exercise in?self indulgence. In fact, much of what is said appears?to be a fantasy engendered by a need for attention. Do?understand, there will come a time where those who?endure this so called free speech where the people?here will feel as offended as I? Accusation, innuendo,conjecture and speculation will run it's course and?when it does, what will you do with a platform who no longer reads what you have to say? Mike
Mike wrote:
Most humans are not as perfect as some believers? think they are.
Nick wrote:
HOW PROFOUND Mike!!!! AGAIN...YOU SAY NOTHING!!! This sounds like something PEDOPHILE(CHILD RAPIST,SERIAL KILLER)"Big? Dick "Cheney will say, just before they put the rope around his neck! The truth is, ALL precincts of PDs are controlled at the top thru Masonry and other satanic secret societies! The whole system from the top down is SATANIC at best! They use dumbed down dupes like you to do their dirty work, (TERRORIZE) and secretly they laff hysterically about how stoooooooopid you are. (See dumb,stupid animals).YOU ARE CLUELESS, PAL, ABOUT ANY ISSUES THAT MATTER, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE CONNECTED TO ACHARYA S. IS VERY DUBIOUS TO SAY THE LEAST! When do we take responsibility for our IGNORANCE,Mike? The internet has been around for a long time. I can't even begin to discuss anything I know with you because you are not ready for the truth! Nick
Begin forwarded message: From: m c <querier2003@yahoo.com Date: July 25, 2007 12:08:05 PM PDT (CA) To: superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Superconsciousness Fwd: SANITY REIGNS: Architects, engineers present the facts of 9/11 Reply-To: superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com?> >?> >
Most humans are not as perfect as some believers think they are. Do bad things happen? Yes, but that doesn't make it right. What happened to the officers involved? What were the circumstances surrounding the incident? Was the perpetrator armed? Did they have a knife? or a gun? Who attacked whom first? As for the importance of what I say... since I answer to your lead, Your lack of importance came first. Mike.
<nick61@telus.net> wrote:This is just too hilarious Mike.R U talking about the "free speech", like the lady enjoys, who was assaulted and arrested by the 2 goon "police officers", in the Youtube video? We have "free speech" so long as we don't say anything important, like you! Nick.
Not at all... free speech is still a right and if you want to have it you have to allow others with a differing opinion the same right.
Begin forwarded message:
So are you saying that I'm brainwashed because?> > > > question what I'm told??> > > >?> > > > --- m c <querier2003@yahoo.com> wrote:?> > > >?> > > > > Not at all... free speech is still a right?> and?> > > if?> > > > > you want to have it you have to allow others?> if?> > > a?> > > > > differing opinion the same right. But in so?> > > doing it?> > > > > would be nice not to indulge in immature?> > > iconoclasm,?> > > > > name calling and unsubstantiated accusation.?> A?> > > free?> > > > > society must have the ability to withstand?> its?> > > > > detractors no matter how brainwashed they?> are.?> > > > >?> > > > >?> > > > > Mike
Reverend Nate <devanate03@yahoo.com> wrote: So, in other words, you think we should all just shut up and be happy and have faith that our government is working in our best interest?
m c <querier2003@yahoo.com> wrote:?> > > > >?> > > > > > The problem is that more engineers, by?> far,?> > > have?> > > > > > come?> > > > > > forward with logical explanations than?> those?> > > that?> > > > > > have?> > > > > > promoted an agenda of conspiracy. It boils?> > > down?> > > > > to?> > > > > > who?> > > > > > you want to believe and that is a matter?> of?> > > ones?> > > > > own?> > > > > > agenda.?> > > > > >?> > > > > >?> > > > > > Mike
Reverend Nate <devanate03@yahoo.com Just because we watched it on tv as it transpired, doesn't mean we know a shit about it. The "official" explanations are as full of holes as the most hairbrained of conspiracy theories. One question: why aren't we allowed to see any of the other video recordings of the plane hitting the pentagon? And speaking of paranoia... isn't that the very business of the pentagon? For democracy to survive, it is essential that we question such events and their official explanations. In failing to do so we fail in or duty citizens. Personally, I'd rather hear the explanations of engineers and architects over the one sided pablum of corrupt politicians who have everything to gain from these sort of events.
tinmenace
04-08-2007, 11:14 PM
"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus
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xdnax
05-08-2007, 12:11 AM
i aint had time to get around to this, but having seen this post, im gunna post a thread and give you a taste of what's been going on in my town......its TOO MUCH of a "coincidence".....peace
auron
05-08-2007, 12:15 AM
I thought it was hillarious when they let the guy on the bike go, and they saw Dondaz filming. They walked over like vultures that have just spotted their next meal. :D
tinmenace
05-08-2007, 12:16 AM
Don, I want to know what Max had to say about all this?
cruise4
05-08-2007, 12:30 AM
And no-one forget the police get off everything, like murder lately. 90,000 officers let off for speeding... its outrageous. 20,000 accidents involving police cars, vans or motorcycles each year.
whitenight639
05-08-2007, 12:37 AM
Hope your ok dondaz, I cant wait to hear what they arrested you for- respect for standing your ground!
dondaz
05-08-2007, 12:50 AM
Well done.I don't know if I would have had the courage to face them.
Don't worry about what their reaction will be. You kind of read it as you go along. Do not be afraid of these type of people. They rely on your fear to control you.
The idea is to keep it out of a physical situation. The last thing I want is a proper fight with them. Keep it verbal and they shouldn't be able to do a thing.
Is there some kind of legal Act that you can quote to the police if they try to tell you it's illegal to film them in a public place? That way it cuts their argument dead.
I am looking into this area right now and have come across some quirky things. Will post on it when I've finished research.
It definately counts as activism!
:rolleyes:
what is the law on filming on private property?
If you don't have permission, you have to be sneaky:D
let no one deny that you guys live in a police state.
This is why we have to work hard now to stop this NWO in its tracks. We can do this, we really can. Let go of your fear and get out there with your cameras.
this is the tread I started on prisonplanet forum
https://prisonplanet.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3394.0
also posted in general to link to it
https://prisonplanet.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3396.0
If there anything you want me to change or add let me know.
I hope you are ok.
Thanks deca, I am feeling great, because I will take these bumps and bruises if it exposes the NWO and helps to wake people up.
As I am doing like fuck around here:D:D
You are also linked on here:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/vi...651&highlight=
Thanks for spreading the link around guys. Read the posts, nice one!
What charge? Filming on your own property?
No, nothing like that actually:rolleyes:
you were on your own property.
Yes, in my front garden, by my front door. The police came down my path.
how dare they?
Indeed:eek:
The bit with the male officer on the radio being recorded could mean that. They could try and say that he is intercepting a police communication illegally. Is it not covered under the 1922 wireless and telegraphy act or something?
Nah, already thought of that. I think the female copper was trying for something like that.
What you have to remember is they came to me, in my garden. He had his volume turned up and he knew I was filming from the start. He transmitted in my garden, he was there without my permission and even though I didn't actually ask them to leave it was obvious that I didn't want them there. I didn't aproach him or turn my sound record level higher whilst he was talking or listening. I stayed where I was.
Let them just try. I have been in touch with my human rights solicitor about this and there are some very good points, legal as well as moral, I might add, that we will use if they try anything else.
We are already waiting for this. My friends and family will create a massive uproar if they come back again over this. We have our plans. I hope some of you guys will pass it around if they do try something like this on me.:D
This is just another way of fighting the NWO. Stick together and fight back with our brains.
I'm sure you'll come out of this victorious!
Hey auron, you can add it to your collection on yer website if you wish;)
Are you going to use the video as evidence in court?
Because it seems to show them up as the troublemakers.
I don't need to sue them as long as don't try to stitch me up again. They harass me all the time anyhow, This is nothing compared to some footage I have filmed over the years. I have even had two guys try to mug me for my camera, a good 15 minute battle that one. I have also had a copper try to snatch a camera out of my hands. Still got the cameras and the footage:D
I will post the full vid tomorrow as I have got a night to catch up on with the missus:rolleyes:
Thanks for your support and feedback.
Untill tomorrow.
Love you alls,
Darren
auron
05-08-2007, 12:56 AM
Hey auron, you can add it to your collection on yer website if you wish;)
I sure will mate! It's going on my humour section! :D
Bollocks to them!
dondaz
05-08-2007, 01:44 AM
"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus
I will try to remember that:eek:
I thought it was hillarious when they let the guy on the bike go, and they saw Dondaz filming. They walked over like vultures that have just spotted their next meal.
They did see me as their next meal. They were having an optical illusion:D
Don, I want to know what Max had to say about all this?
As you can see he's very opinionated!
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/MAX---coppers.jpg
Now I'm going back to bed:D
auron
05-08-2007, 01:47 AM
http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif
Nice. :D
tinmenace
05-08-2007, 01:47 AM
Max is Infinitely CUTE! :D
That cop stole the Chihuahua's wig....! http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9717/cryingwithlaughterub0.gif
Brilliant!
xdnax
05-08-2007, 01:48 AM
that pic is f'n hilarious mate :D
auron
05-08-2007, 01:59 AM
Could i ask what they arrested you for mate? Someone is interrogating me in another forum. :)
truebastard
06-08-2007, 10:39 AM
Nice one! I hope you don't mind but I've added it to a little project I've just started working on.
http://www.ukcorrupt.co.uk
notaslave
06-08-2007, 10:43 AM
Nice one! I hope you don't mind but I've added it to a little project I've just started working on.
http://www.ukcorrupt.co.uk
Looks like it will be a very interesting site, try to get it linked to other anarchist sites.
i am all i am
06-08-2007, 03:35 PM
I LOVE YOU.
G'day Darren.
I was in the police force in Parramatta, NSW, for 2 years, ages 19 to 21. I was going to start a thread inrelationship to powers of arrest and offer any help from my own understanding as to how to deal with the police.
I have had numerous incidences with police officers over the last eight and a half years. I have been arrested falsely and had the typical 'assault police, resist arrest' charge as the first offence that I was charged with. This actually happened after I entered the chargeroom and replied that I was there to have the officer charged with assault (I had actually worked with the sgt in the chargeroom, yes it was Parramatta police station where I worked that this occured). When the officers that were there laughed, I started to recite the second power of arrest that goes...Any constable, or other person, may with or without warrant, apprehehnd any peron in the act of committing, or immedieately after having committed...blah, blah, blah. Well, you can imagine that you could have heard a pin drop in the chargeroom as the laughter stopped as though cut off mid-laugh. Being informed that I was the one under arrest, I replied that I couldn't be as I had not had my rights read to me...more silence, until the charge sgt decided that he would read me my rights and that was good enough.
Anyway, below is some of the powers of arrest for citizens from different countries. I found them on a police forum (for fucks sake), as I could not seem to find the 'Crimes Act' that they come from in NSW Australia. If there is any help for you that I can offer, please let me know and I will do all I can for you. If there is anyone else that would like to know how to deal with the police, or what they are allowed to do, barring international differences, I would be willing to answer all questions posed.
Here is a simple one for you to all understand...
In Australia, the police can ask you for your name and address under the 'general traffic act' (1908, I think from memory). Once you supply them with your name and place of abode, you are not required to answer any other questions. If a police officer asks you to stand still in one spot to answer questions, then this is a technical arrest, as they have confined you to one spot. If they ask you to stand still, ask them if you are under arrest. When they say no, then say that you do not have to stay where they told you to and what they are actually doing is technically arresting you. Also, if they ever touch you, that is common law assault, and they can be charged with it.
Also, find out where the nearest branch of internal investigations is. That is the place to get the officer really in the shit. We also have an ombudsmens office that take annonymous complaints.
Thanks for sharing this with us all Darren.
http://www.policeworld.net/vb/archive/index.php?t-250.html
Here is what the "California Peace Officers Legal Sourcebook" says about Citizens Arrests:
""Private" Arrests
A private person may make arrests (1) for any "public offense" (felony, misdemeanor, or infraction - Pen. Code, § 16) which the suspect has committed in the person's presence (2) for any felony which the suspect has in fact committed, although not in the person's presence, and (3) for any felony which the person has probable cause to believe the suspect has committed. (Pen. Code, § 837.)
Under Penal Code section 847, the private person must deliver the arrestee to a magistrate or a peace officer. When a private party brings you an arrestee, you have an obligation to "receive" him; willful refusal to do so can constitute a felony. (Pen. Code, § 142.) Summoning an officer and describing the circumstances will generally be sufficient; the private person does not need to say or write any "magic words." (Johanson (1995) 36 Cal.App.4th 1209, 1217.)
If the offense is a felony, you may take over the arrest and book the arrestee into jail, although the arresting party has no right to demand incarceration.
If the offense is a misdemeanor, handle it just as you would any other misdemeanor arrest - book, cite and release, or release under Penal Code section 849, subdivision (b)(1) ("insufficient grounds for making a criminal complaint").
Note: If you book, you are the transporting officer only.
There is no requirement for you to assess or adjudge the private party's probable cause before accepting the arrestee. For example, you need not decide who is telling the truth about a contested "disturbing the peace" or assault situation. (Kinney (1970) 8 Cal.App.3d 761.) You and your agency are immune from any liability for false arrest or false imprisonment, as long as (1) the arrest was lawful; or (2) you had a reasonable basis for believing the arrest was lawful; or (3) the crime committed was a felony; or (4) the arrest was made pursuant to the requirements of Penal Code sections 142, 838, or 839. (Pen. Code, § 847.)"
The NSW Crimes Act 1900, section 352 states, in part:
(1) Any constable or other person may without warrant apprehend,
* (a) *any person in the act of committing, or immediately after having committed, an offence punishable, whether by indictment, or on summary conviction, under any Act,
* (b) *any person who has committed a serious indictable offence for which the person has not been tried,
and take the person, and any property found upon the person, before an authorised Justice to be dealt with according to law.
In Kansas a citizen may make a lawful arrest.
KSA 21-3216 Private person's use of force in making arrest.
(1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to make such arrest, execpt that he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm to himself or another.
(2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful.
Section 494 Criminal Code of Canada
ARREST WITHOUT WARRANT BY ANY PERSON
S. 494 (1) Any one may arrest without warrant
(a) a person whom he finds committing an
an indictable offence; or
(b) a person who, on reasonable grounds, he
believes
(i) has committed a criminal offence, and
(ii) escaping from and freshly pursued by
persons who have lawful authority to
arrest that person.
(2) Any one who is
(a) the owner or a person in lawful possesion
of property, or
(b) a person authorized by the owner or by a
person in lawful possession of property,
may arrest without warrant a person whom he finds committing a criminal offence on or in relation to that property.
(3) Any one other than a peace officer who
arrests a person without warrant shall
forthwith deliver the person to a peace
officer.
"...In the most crime ridden spot in the country, our nation's capitol, District of Columbia Law 23- 582(b) reads as follows:
(b) A private person may arrest another -
(1) who he has probable cause to believe is committing in his presence -
(A) a felony, or
(B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581 (a)(2); or
(2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman, or other person authorized by law to make an arrest.
(c) Any person making an arrest pursuant to this section shall deliver the person arrested to a law enforcement officer without unreasonable delay. (July 29, 1970, 84 Stat. 630, Pub. L. 91-358, Title II, § 210(a); 1973 Ed., § 23-582; Apr. 30, 1988, D.C. Law 7-104, § 7(e), 35 DCR 147.)..."
Thats not entirely true under texas law citizens may also arrest for a breach of peace
heres the statute : Art. 14.01. [212] [259] [247] OFFENSE WITHIN VIEW. (a
A
peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant, arrest an
offender when the offense is committed in his presence or within his
view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense
against the public peace.
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