what is this ?

[clint_giles]

anyone else read this?

/www.InfowarsTV.com/alex.htm

[cafetimes1991]

Here's a direct link: http://www.infowarstv.com/alex.htm
It's very long. Will read through it now...

[ennui]

Mmmm well they say that they don't make any money now, but there's obviously an aspiration to do so..."A site that IS destined to become The Youtube of the truth /Patriot Movement".

Why didn't they just make a site like you tube and then invite Alex Jones and others to add their videos to it?

[joe911]

Mmmm well they say that they don't make any money now, but there's obviously an aspiration to do so..."A site that IS destined to become The Youtube of the truth /Patriot Movement".

Why didn't they just make a site like you tube and then invite Alex Jones and others to add their videos to it?

Thats what they did do.
It was just like youtube,only suited for the movement.

[decim]

Gold & Silver have a place for trading.

[monkeyboy]

sounds like mamma wants a new house :(

[hawk]

That's what I was thinking Monkeyboy. If Alex Jones was all great about it but then when it comes down to money,well, he's gotta get his pc of the pie,doesn't he? I don't care what anybody says, people are greedy for money and they don't give a shit how they get it.But you'd better not take anything that belongs to them but they can feel all right robbing you and me blind! LMAO!
Hypocrites! I swear sometimes the human race just amazes the hell out of me.
They're not happy when somebody else is making a few dollars for themselves. Not if they're not getting anything from it.( That's why you don't tell anybody what your business is and how you earn your money like that,becuz somebody will come along and want their share.)
And Alex told this man it was okay to use his videos and gave copies of his videos out for free.
Some people.
:rolleyes:

[joe911]

http://infowars.com/moneybomb/images/thermo21.jpg

[joe911]

http://www.infowarstv.com/alex.htm

Former Forum Moderator of PrisonPlanetTV.com The forum of Alex Jones Breaks His silence and Speaks Out!

Hello Fellow InfoWarriors, I am AmeriDeath-Chris Arnold former moderator of the Forum at PrisonPlanet.com as many of you know me and I am also the Owner of InfowarsTV.com , A site that IS destined to become The Youtube of the truth /Patriot Movement,

But sadly There were some issues which caused us to have to change and delete some things

And By Who was this injustice thrust upon us You Ask ! Sadly The Leader Of The movement and HIS WIFE! yes Alex Jones Wife Kelly Jones ( NOT VIOLET as you have been told) has Filed Legal Action against us ( DOCUMENTS BELOW )

Even After Alex Himself Saw The InfowarsTV.com website site and Talked about it ON AIR on his radio show and said The site Looked Great and that he Liked it very much and was considering linking to us if we could handle the traffic just last week HE APPROVED OF IT ON AIR TO EVERYONE!!..This is Not a rumor it was heard by hundreds of THOUSANDS of his daily listeners that will testify to that fact!

Sadly This has turned out not to be the case....which is really sad as Alex was someone That I really looked up to and considered and "Idol" if you will for lack of a better term as I honestly believed what he said in every aspect of the truth movement and the infowar that we are fighting

But In my opinion, as you will see from The documents below ..It seems to me that Alex is no better than the jackbooted thugs that he talks about and that the whole operation he has consists of one thing MONEY!! Plain and simple GREED on Mr and Mrs Jones, They say that we were trying to pass ourselves off as them ..

LIE: everyone knows on The forum and everywhere that we have always maintained that we were a SEPARATE ENTITY with no connection to Mr Jones and were completely ran and operated by Myself .Chris Arnold and that fact was listed in a disclaimer on the bottom of every page on the website and in the ABOUT US SECTION. and everyone knew this so That's a BOLD FACED LIE to say that we tried to pass ourselves off as them

LIE: Alex has always said on air PLEASE POST MY VIDEOS AND DOCUMENTARIES EVERYWHERE, make copies, give them away spread my message ..and that's what we were doing , Of course we had advertising space available on the site to try to help supplement the cost of the site and pay for the server bill (JUST AS YOUR VIDEOS ARE ALL OVER YOU TUBE AND THEY SELL ADVERTISING..WHATS THE DIFFERENCE??? YOU DONT GET ANY CUT FROM YOUTUBES ADVERTISING DO YA??), we have never even broken even and remain dipping into our savings to run the website, But thats not good enough ..It seems that Mr. and Mrs Jones Would begrudge us selling ad space in order to pay for the website because they were not getting a CUT of the money?? ( which there was NONE) and that it would cut into THEIR PROFITS ..and this just 2 weeks after he raised over $375,000 dollars in one day from YOU THE PATRIOTS in a money bomb-Which by the way the IRS knows about IM SURE, But they would begrudge us a few CRUMBS to pay for our hosting for a site that I sank my entire life savings into and actually bankrupt us now, while they raise hundreds of thousands of dollars FROM YOU..THE TRUE PATRIOTS! Seems GREEDY to me , especially when every link we had on the site LINKED BACK TO ALEX's WEBSITE, his store , his t-shirts sales, his DVD sales ..we were in effect ADVERTISING FOR HIM FOR FREE!!!!, again .not good enough. They want it ALL! You will see below that they are claiming copyright on the VIDEOS THEMSELVES that they have told EVERYONE TO POST AND GIVE AWAY.....VERY TWO FACED in my opinion of course

So That said its a sad day when Alex and his wife In my Opinion have shown Their TRUE COLORS , Its not about The Truth for him and his wife..He has found himself a NICHE MARKET and a NICHE PATRIOT COMMUNITY and it funds him well and he nor his wife want to see a single dime of that go anywhere else ..even after stating that he wants you to post his videos , he wants you to give his stuff away for free, Not True If it cuts or is PERCEIVED to cut into his money

..Its pure and simple greed Alex Your colors have shown brightly to myself and the entire patriot movement , In my opinion you are no better than the Television evangelist thats obviously a fake screaming SEND ME YOUR MONEY!!!!! AHHAHAHAHAH

and I feel that you have irrevocably damaged yourself and your reputation with me and all the other true patriots, I am sure though that you will go on air and try to put some Alex SPIN on this to make you come out a hero, a victim , poor poor Alex...But Partner This Time you made a mistake ..You took on someone that truly IS A PATRIOT and has just as many ties in the patriot community as you do ..and the people KNOW THE TRUTH , so spin it as you may ..you will not come out in a favorable light in this instance in anyone's eyes, except well maybe your own .

Its horrible to see someone you looked up to and place on a pedestal and admired so deeply show their true colors and the fact that in my opinion the only thing that they are really in This movement for is Popularity and GREED ,MONEY >>YOUR MONEY!!!! Its devastating to say the least

We do however want you to know that we will NOT LET THIS STAND..we will fight you tooth and nail on this Mr.Jones has said THOUSANDS of times Post our videos everywhere , copy them , give them away YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION!! and now he has turned his second face to the world by doing this !

If You wish to Contribute to our legal defense fund against Alex Jones and HIS TYRANNY then please email us at info@infowarsTV.com ..If you can contribute fine and we appreciate it ..But unlike Mr. and Mrs. Jones ..If you cant that's fine also and we appreciate your thoughts and prayers

The Joneses In our Opinion have turned out to be nothing more than what he so vehemently preaches about .A TYRANNICAL DICTATOR OF THE INFOWAR COMMUNITY...its ok to give his stuff away, and donate to moneybombs with no accountability ..Until it cuts into his Profits. or PERCEIVABLY cuts into his profits .and then its not cool any longer ... Its a sad sad day when Alex and Kelly Jones Turn out To be EXACTLY what they preach against, In our opinion of course

I will , I am sure No longer be able to post at the forum once this letter is posted so if someone has a forum that needs a truly good moderator and true patriot, Please contact me at the above email address also that is outlined for our legal defense fund

Do yourself a favor ..QUESTION EVERYTHING NOW that comes from Infowars , and Alex and Kelly Jones, Its just In our opinion ..everything Might/Probably- not be what it seems at face value! I in my opinion Believe The Joneses To Be BOLD FACED LIARS !..That should be AUDITED to the maximum because some accountability of the money That the patriot community sends them should be in place !

All of the above is my personal opinion which is protected under the 1st amendment and its not in any was defamatory , libelous or slanderous...Just My Opinion which I can freely state anywhere!

Chris Arnold-AmeriDeath

PS: On a side Note...To The Other Moderators at the Prisonplanet forum..Sane , JT, And Biggs ..I have Madd Respect for you guys!..and I wholeheartedly Like each of you ..But just watch your ass ....Its all Out in The light now ..The guy you are moderating for in my opinion is EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST!!!! Take care brothers and Ill catch ya on The Other side! Oh and be sure like I said Im sure Alex will try to spin this where he's a victim, and poor little Alex was losing money and we were using his stuff illegally, or that I was an operative sent in to cause co Intel or just some RIDICULOUS claim to make himself The VICTIM as he always does and ...YOU KNOW THAT'S A LIE..YOU KNOW ME AND MY CHARACTER AND YOU KNOW IM NOT AT ANY FAULT!!!!.. remember YOU TOOK THE RED PILL!! don't be fooled!



Users can access the site and your accounts here http://www.infowarstv.com/login

Please DO NOT UPLOAD ANYTHING PERTAINING TO ALEX JONES IN ANY WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION! I AM CURRENTLY DELETING ALL OF ALEX'S VIDEOS AND HE IS BANNED FROM HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE!

************************************************** ************************************************** **************************


I really dont know what to think anymore :(

[cafetimes1991]

Indeed. :(

[deca]

This is truly a war for our hearts and minds.....whats the first rule of war....don`t split your troops.

[turquoisefire777]

meh, true or not, everyone has their own battles along with fighting the battles of this fake world.

the matrix is in a serious state of decay, and it's going to try and take down all of those who's been responsible for it's downfall.

as always i try and live by these concepts/values:

awareness, honesty, respsibility.

[deca]

I think the guy from prisonplanetTV should look how he could not be seen as a rival to ALex jones and split his support but how best he could market his site to compliment what Alex is trying to do and also reach new people and make them aware.

He should look at we are change, or we the people will not be chipped and see how they are wising up people.

Theres plenty of truth to be exposed and action needed ....after all we are on the same side;)

[rjl9332]

Look guys, im not being rude ok. But just understand that alex is 1 man. He is not the saviour. He is not a hero. What he is, is a hard working man who does sensationalise a great deal of what he covers, and spins the hell out of anything detrimental to his operation. HE IS *VERY* GOOD AT HANDLING ATTACKS. What happens is he gets mad hero worship from the recently awakened / awakening individuals and pow! people follow suit thereafter.

And he does shield certain information very well. Personally I couldn't care less about people accusing him of being an agent. I can't prove it either way but it doesn't matter. What I do know from experience is that he will not cover any point of law regarding the public/private issue, bankrupcy, the PERSON and so on and so forth. So relax, listen to the man, he is giving out 95% good stuff BUT be aware there is more to the picture than he will ever give you and that is a certified fact.

[cafetimes1991]

Look guys, im not being rude ok. But just understand that alex is 1 man. He is not the saviour. He is not a hero. What he is, is a hard working man who does sensationalise a great deal of what he covers, and spins the hell out of anything detrimental to his operation. HE IS *VERY* GOOD AT HANDLING ATTACKS. What happens is he gets mad hero worship from the recently awakened / awakening individuals and pow! people follow suit thereafter.

And he does shield certain information very well. Personally I couldn't care less about people accusing him of being an agent. I can't prove it either way but it doesn't matter. What I do know from experience is that he will not cover any point of law regarding the public/private issue, bankrupcy, the PERSON and so on and so forth. So relax, listen to the man, he is giving out 95% good stuff BUT be aware there is more to the picture than he will ever give you and that is a certified fact.

Hmmm. Good post.

[mrindigo]

Look guys, im not being rude ok. But just understand that alex is 1 man. He is not the saviour. He is not a hero. What he is, is a hard working man who does sensationalise a great deal of what he covers, and spins the hell out of anything detrimental to his operation. HE IS *VERY* GOOD AT HANDLING ATTACKS. What happens is he gets mad hero worship from the recently awakened / awakening individuals and pow! people follow suit thereafter.

And he does shield certain information very well. Personally I couldn't care less about people accusing him of being an agent. I can't prove it either way but it doesn't matter. What I do know from experience is that he will not cover any point of law regarding the public/private issue, bankrupcy, the PERSON and so on and so forth. So relax, listen to the man, he is giving out 95% good stuff BUT be aware there is more to the picture than he will ever give you and that is a certified fact.

I agree. The people who are fully in the know, if there are any, surely wouldn't give out all of the information they have. I would assume this because they need collateral to keep talking, or they lose their audience, income, and potentially piss off some grumpy elitists even more.

[elrafaargentino]

agree.

[joe911]

@rjl9332

Alex supported the site to start with,and in every show he says to spread his videos for free,and now he is taking legal action against the guy who has spend thousands on various sites.

His sponsors are in it to make money too.
That 'my solar backup' company say that you can live off the grid with thier product,when in reality you could only use it for a short time,great for something like a power outage.They charge way over the top,for the same thing that can be baught for $300.

[mrindigo]

@rjl9332

Alex supported the site to start with,and in every show he says to spread his videos for free,and now he is taking legal action against the guy who has spend thousands on various sites.

His sponsors are in it to make money too.
That 'my solar backup' company say that you can live off the grid with thier product,when in reality you could only use it for a short time,great for something like a power outage.They charge way over the top,for the same thing that can be baught for $300.

That doesn't surprise me. Even when in the face of a complete meltdown, there are still going to be idiots out there who will try and rake in money. What good is that money when you're drugged up, brainwashed, and microchipped?

[deca]

Don`t nick Alex Jones megaphone , build your own!

[deca]

whats to stop a thousand other website popping up and using alex`s movies then pocketing the money from advertising??

or making dvd`s up and selling them and pocketing the money????


Think about that before you criticize Mr Jones


Didn`t David icke have to take legal action over some of his material??

[joe911]

hes just been asked about it now,and he said they cant be affiliated with sites pretend to be his,the guy who owns infowarstv.com doesnt pretend to be him,he clearly stated in the disclaimer that he was not alex jones.

Alex has turned into a right asshole latley. When the alex jones youtube channel went down,Amerideth baught infowarstv and had the site built as a way for infowarriors to get the word out without youtubes censorship.It wasnt as if he was making money from it,like he said in the page its virtually bankrupted him.

Bryan on here uses the name "teen infowarrior" for his radio show,prehaps you should change it before you have Alex hounding you for money.

[rjl9332]

joe911 - whats your point mate? that is just sub-standard commercial hawking :)

Alex does plenty of advertising and makes plenty of money.

Yo , as I was typing this alex just HARDCORE spun a call asking about the legal case against this infowarstv.com. He cut the guy off immediately and he's *still* going on about it.

Its at times like this he does get on my nerves, I know he's a good man but in pursuing the truth he has ended up coveting it... and for what reason? Like I said - he's good for news, but increasingly losing my respect with his operation. However he has done alot awakening people, and he owes me nothing. I hope people don't get caught up in the gatekeeping.

[joe911]

My point,and now youve just heard for yourself.

Alex when he heard about it liked it,and even spoke about linking up to it. What about the alex jones youtube channel,,that was run by a guy called dave for a few years before alex had any involvement with it.

Hes just been given $300 thousand,its not as if hes short of money. Its pretty cheap to produce talk shows and documentarys,plus the enormous amounts he gets in advertising.

People are putting money into doing these things for free,like me and bryan who run online radio shows,bryan calls his the teen infowarrior,i think its a cool name and we arent affiliated with alex in any way,but can you imagine if we were to be hit with legal action. We both are putting our own time and money into doing these things for free,as is the guy who started infowarstv.com and we are all on the same side so taking legal action against each other is just alex been a dick.

There would be nothing wrong with him contacting the owner and saying "we dont want to be affiliated with you,can you please choose another domain name" or if they were so bothered about loosing money they could have paid for a new domain name,as a good will gesture.

[jojo]

oh dear... seems alex has pushed it a bit too far this time.

[lynfowars]

Alex Jones, after a decade of real toil has grown his brand into a media machine that now at last, can take on the MSM in terms of impact and reach.

Still fledgling, but he is there, and will grow.

He gets the anti-NWO message to more mainstream people, then the more chance we have of beating the NWO. He is the biggest gun in the entire Truth movement, so cut him some respect on this alone.

To operate his machine at that level, takes a LOT of money for staff and Internet operations. That cash must come from adverts, and even that has needed topups from money-bomb activities.

Now the other website is very polished, and it is clear to me that this is a genuine big-player in the making. Potentially bringing in many hundreds of thousands of dollars in advert revenues.

Right now, the site owner says he is nearly broke. Fair comments, but many an advertising millionaire started from nothing with no money, it means little here. Bottom line is many of the pay-per-clicks would have come from customers who were only there because of the big dawg - Alex Jones, and AJ videos. If nothing was set inplace to recover lost revenue to the AJ business that this new business would take, then AJ would have lost a fortune in much needed operational revenue.

All the more so, because the 'InfoWar' name is inextricably linked to Alex Jones. Yeah we may not like it because Alex didn't copyright that name, but in the real world this is the way things are today. And if that new site was going to make the owner a lot of money some time in the future then AJ was quite right to protect his business.

If AJ's business was to suffer, so would Alex Jones' reach spreading the truth. And that would help no-one good.

Put your rotten tomatoes back in the basket, Alex Jones is not a demon here. The C&D notice may have been a tad tactless (I stress 'may' as we don't know the facts of the inter-party communications prior to this), but the new website owner has been equally tactless in his response.

[rjl9332]

lynfo: Once again, its a case of divide and rule. The main aim of any war is to know your enemy. Someone posting AJ videos on a infowar-youtube style site is not an enemy. Simple. He just took 375k dollars off the public and you're siding with him over potential advertising revenues?! come on!!! I like alex. He makes me chuckle and he does great work. But something is dodgy with his operation. If you've listened to him for at least a couple of years surely you feel the same way?

[pepsirat]

lynfo: Once again, its a case of divide and rule. The main aim of any war is to know your enemy. Someone posting AJ videos on a infowar-youtube style site is not an enemy. Simple. He just took 375k dollars off the public and you're siding with him over potential advertising revenues?! come on!!! I like alex. He makes me chuckle and he does great work. But something is dodgy with his operation. If you've listened to him for at least a couple of years surely you feel the same way?

I agree. I like what Alex Joans dose and i respect him for that its much more than what i do. But i dont trust him 100% but their is not many people i do. If Alex Joans had problems with his videos on the site he should of contacted the guy and talked about it and worked somthing out.

If he realy wants to spread the word more than make money he would be happy about this site. I know he has a right to make money but if you tell people to post your viedos people will and most people have adverts on their site.

[deca]

did this guy not work for Alex?
I think he was going to just clone what Alex did with Alex hard work and not put any effort in and pocket the money if you ask me.
I think Alex probably was at first pleased he was going do something himself , but found out he was just going to duplicate what he had done and rip him off.....



probably they little snake Thought to himself I could do what Alex does, probably would off had inside contacts and under cut Alex .....

[gu3rr1lla]

the guy who set up infowarstv.com is not a snake and is not profiting off alex jones.

Alex Jones was moaning about Youtube taking off his videos and when he heard of infowarstv.com he supported it. In fact i only heard of this site on infowars.com. Its a great site, its the truth movements youtube, however these types of sites costs lots of money to maintain. Yotube loses millions a year. WHy, because of the bandwidth usage. Even when you're streaming a video you're downloading it off a server.

Now what had happened was someone posted Alex Jones videos on infowarstv.com which alex didnt have a problem. WHat he has a problem with is the site having ads and him not getting a cut out of it. WHich he is not entitled to have, legally speaking, and most alex can do is demand them to take the videos off. He will in no way win against infowarstv.com in a court because they havent done anything wrong and the word "infowars" is not owned by Alex. THis is no different to Youtube having ads on alex jones videos.

Alex is the one who is splitting the movement, not infowarstv.com.

[adbasque]

Gold & Silver have a place for trading.

I noticed that on Alex's show, far too many ads and far too many sponsors.
I stopped watching it I get very bored.

You might aswell watch TV.

[largejack]

I wouldn't necessarily read too much into this, there are thousands desperately trying to blacken AJ's name at the moment. He is becoming a serious threat to the establishment, expect worse than this is the coming weeks/months.

[dude111]

Thats what they did do.
It was just like youtube,only suited for the movement.And i dont think they will let threats cause them to remove vids (Like youtube has)

[largejack]

[QUOTE=joe911;1090027]hes just been asked about it now,and he said they cant be affiliated with sites pretend to be his,the guy who owns infowarstv.com doesnt pretend to be him,he clearly stated in the disclaimer that he was not alex jones.

Alex has turned into a right asshole latley. Quote from Joe911

You're only saying that because he didn't like Michael jackson Joe911?


Whatever faults he has he's our prize weapon in this fight, if we lose him the game's nearly as good as up. Well it already is really ! One thing the Illuminati do well which the people don't is maintain solidarity instead of arguing amongst themselves. They are out to get him or destroy his image, either way they're after him. I think someone's sticking a spanner in the works.

[gu3rr1lla]

I wouldn't necessarily read too much into this, there are thousands desperately trying to blacken AJ's name at the moment. He is becoming a serious threat to the establishment, expect worse than this is the coming weeks/months.

well if you're paying attention, it's alex jones blackening his own name - he was the one who initiated the attack on infowarstv.com

There is no need to blacken his name as he's not really a threat to the establishment imo. A lot of people i know who's awake never heard of alex jones and i never heard of alex jones untill i was a year into the truth. He doesnt wake anyone up. Anyone who's not awake who goes onto his site or listens to his radio show thinks he's mad. Fair enough his documentaries were good, and his radio shows were good years ago, but nowadays its just about money and gold & silver which are worth shit.

I dont have a problem with anyone making money, it seems alex does if its not him making the money.

[largejack]

Alex Jones, after a decade of real toil has grown his brand into a media machine that now at last, can take on the MSM in terms of impact and reach.

Still fledgling, but he is there, and will grow.

He gets the anti-NWO message to more mainstream people, then the more chance we have of beating the NWO. He is the biggest gun in the entire Truth movement, so cut him some respect on this alone.

To operate his machine at that level, takes a LOT of money for staff and Internet operations. That cash must come from adverts, and even that has needed topups from money-bomb activities.

Now the other website is very polished, and it is clear to me that this is a genuine big-player in the making. Potentially bringing in many hundreds of thousands of dollars in advert revenues.

Right now, the site owner says he is nearly broke. Fair comments, but many an advertising millionaire started from nothing with no money, it means little here. Bottom line is many of the pay-per-clicks would have come from customers who were only there because of the big dawg - Alex Jones, and AJ videos. If nothing was set inplace to recover lost revenue to the AJ business that this new business would take, then AJ would have lost a fortune in much needed operational revenue.

All the more so, because the 'InfoWar' name is inextricably linked to Alex Jones. Yeah we may not like it because Alex didn't copyright that name, but in the real world this is the way things are today. And if that new site was going to make the owner a lot of money some time in the future then AJ was quite right to protect his business.

If AJ's business was to suffer, so would Alex Jones' reach spreading the truth. And that would help no-one good.

Put your rotten tomatoes back in the basket, Alex Jones is not a demon here. The C&D notice may have been a tad tactless (I stress 'may' as we don't know the facts of the inter-party communications prior to this), but the new website owner has been equally tactless in his response.

There's no point, there are so many people out to get one of the few hopes we have. How many other news media get two Hollywood celebrities on their show admitting Global Warming is a scam, 911 was an inside job, and talking about 'microchips over my dead body.'

He could wake up another 100 celebrities and bring them out in the open if people get over our jealousy of this guy.

[deca]

hm I have come up with a totally original idea ....I will set up a site called davidickeTV.com and post all his video`s and sell advertising space!!!

[gu3rr1lla]

Alex can whine and threat notices and legal action about the name "infowars"tv.com till he's blue in the face but he cant do one thing about it, not even in a court. He's going on like a kid just because someone is using "infowars" in a domain name. Jeez get a grip Alex. Fair enough he thinks he's protecting himself but the truth is infowarstv.com is completely legit and they even said in their disclaimer that this isnt an Alex Jones site. Too bad Alex that's the commercial world.

[gu3rr1lla]

hm I have come up with a totally original idea ....I will set up a site called davidickeTV.com and post all his video`s and sell advertising space!!!

I was thinking of that too :D but quite frankly you wont be doing anything wrong unless you're uploading copyrighted material that you dont have permission for.

[deca]

hay wow I could set loads of sites just sick TV at the end .....

davidickeTV.com
alanwattTV.com !!!!!
earthpulseTV.com
nineelevenTV.com

[gu3rr1lla]

hay wow I could set loads of sites just sick TV at the end .....

yep, but you need traffic to make any kind of money. Whats funny is ALex Jones is the one who promoted this site (infowarstv.com) and continuely promoting it :D

[gu3rr1lla]

hay wow I could set loads of sites just sick TV at the end .....

alanwattTV.com !!!!!
earthpulseTV.com

Aye but there's a difference... "infowars"tv is a broad term, anything can be put on it whereas "alanwatt"tv can just be used for alan watt videos (does he even have any?) and you'd need the copyright owners permission.

[bluman]

Look guys, im not being rude ok. But just understand that alex is 1 man. He is not the saviour. He is not a hero. What he is, is a hard working man who does sensationalise a great deal of what he covers, and spins the hell out of anything detrimental to his operation. HE IS *VERY* GOOD AT HANDLING ATTACKS. What happens is he gets mad hero worship from the recently awakened / awakening individuals and pow! people follow suit thereafter.

And he does shield certain information very well. Personally I couldn't care less about people accusing him of being an agent. I can't prove it either way but it doesn't matter. What I do know from experience is that he will not cover any point of law regarding the public/private issue, bankrupcy, the PERSON and so on and so forth. So relax, listen to the man, he is giving out 95% good stuff BUT be aware there is more to the picture than he will ever give you and that is a certified fact.

I completely agree.

Some of the info he is pumping out is being filtered for some reason or another.

He never mentions Common Law or the difference between flesh and blood human beings and the Person.

If on mass, people were disassociating themselves from their PERSON then the elite would seriously be fucked over.

I believe Alex is semi-genuine but there are threats being made on him from higher powers not to advocate certain information that would be an effective solution to beating the NWO. Almost like controlled opposition.

[gu3rr1lla]

The thing is with infowarstv.com the owner didnt upload alexs videos users of that site did and im sure they agreed at the start not to upload any copyrighted material, so how would the owner know any different. This is no different to you getting an account on youtube and uploading alexs videos, or alex doing it himself. You dont see him taking legal action against youtube do u, for the ads on the site?

[deca]

I was thinking of that too :D but quite frankly you wont be doing anything wrong unless you're uploading copyrighted material that you dont have permission for.

and Alex jones material is not copyrighted ? I think you will find that it is, I think he gives permission to copy it and hand out free copys but if you start to use it to earn money its a different thing

[gu3rr1lla]

and Alex jones material is not copyrighted ? I think you will find that it is, I think he gives permission to copy it and hand out free copys but if you start to use it to earn money its a different thing

I agree, but infowarstv.com is not using it to earn money.

If alex thinks they are, the best he can do is get them to remove his stuff but he cant do anything else like shut down the website.

[gu3rr1lla]

I completely agree.

Some of the info he is pumping out is being filtered for some reason or another.

He never mentions Common Law or the difference between flesh and blood human beings and the Person.

If on mass, people were disassociating themselves from their PERSON then the elite would seriously be fucked over.

I believe Alex is semi-genuine but there are threats being made on him from higher powers not to advocate certain information that would be an effective solution to beating the NWO. Almost like controlled opposition.

That's because he is operating in their Commercial world. If he starts talking about law/common law and the difference between law/ statute and person/flesh and blood then he cant advertise on his website thus he cant make money because who does the currency he uses belong to? ;)

[gu3rr1lla]

http://www.infowarstv.com/video/920/Is-Obama-Change--BANNED-ON-YOUTUBE

[deca]

I think there has to be a line drawn between genuine spreading his information and using it for commercial reasons. I think inforwarsTV might of crossed that line, but a bit of a Grey area, Anyway its Alexs jones material it looks like he has made the decision that it has and that the inforwars name might be too close to his own web sites as well.

Again this site could take sponsors by showing AJ material or other videos that he would have no say in the matter.This might tar his image

[largejack]

I completely agree.

Some of the info he is pumping out is being filtered for some reason or another.

He never mentions Common Law or the difference between flesh and blood human beings and the Person.

If on mass, people were disassociating themselves from their PERSON then the elite would seriously be fucked over.

I believe Alex is semi-genuine but there are threats being made on him from higher powers not to advocate certain information that would be an effective solution to beating the NWO. Almost like controlled opposition.

Nah, he just doesn't like to touch on things he can't prove. You can be pretty sure that he'll only discuss stuff that's provable by fact, that's why he doesn't go into UFOs, reptilians, etc, but that said, he doesn't dismiss that stuff either, he just won't touch stuff he can't prove. I only became a listener of AJ when he was interviewing Icke about last October, now I rarely miss a show.

Recently he said he believes 98% of what Icke says, and for all I know the other 2 % might be right as well.

I don't envy the bloke, he's between a rock and hard place, if he starts coming out with more information he will be labelled insane, and yet because he doesn't mention certain things, he's withholding information from us. He will only talk about stuff he can support with solid evidence.

I don't really like his religious slant on things, but I know it's just his way of understanding consciousness.

[deca]

Yeah I have a lot of respect for Alex Jones and know he has a big fight to keep his credibility and sticks to stuff he dam well can prove.
He does and has covered mind control & electronic harassment but from Dr. Nick Begich point of view.
He does not cover it form TI`s are reporting , I was upset about this but understand how this could be difficult and let others knock and easily ridicule him and his other information he spreads.....I could easily just sit her and knock him, but decided to look at the TI community and our public image and information we talked about and try to improve it

[gu3rr1lla]

I think there has to be a line drawn between genuine spreading his information and using it for commercial reasons. I think inforwarsTV might of crossed that line, but a bit of a Grey area

What is wrong with infowarstv having ads on their site? What is wrong with them making money? If they didnt have ads then they wouldnt exist as they wouldnt be able to afford the costs. WOuld you rather just Youtube and other big corporations who have lots of money run video sites? Infowarstv.com which allows users to upload any videos, not just alexs, is just the same as something like youtube. THey both have ads to support their site but you dont see alex going to youtube looking for cash. Maybe you do, maybe he's the one pulling his own videos and then blaming youtube? Who knows. I think infowarstv is a great site and providing a great service. Too bad Alex doesnt like it anymore, but just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he can take it down, hes acting like an elitest.

Alex is sellings ads too so he's using this information for a commercial reason too. Its just a game. Everyone wants a piece of the pie but in the case of infowarstv Alex not getting anything and doesnt deserve anything either. He should be glad someone is providing this service, and if he doesnt like it he should go back to his youtube then. Or create his own to counter theirs.

Infowarstv.com is no different to vimeo, blip, dailymotion, youtube, video.google.com, veoh, metacafe etc etc. They provide a service where they allow users to upload videos. And they all make money out of it. Is there something wrong with that? Especially if someone is running a truth movement youtube type site - isnt that what we wanted? I actually want to see more of these so that we have plenty of resources to find videos, incase one or some go down.

Anyway its Alexs jones material it looks like he has made the decision that it has and that the inforwars name might be too close to his own web sites as well.

Again this site could take sponsors by showing AJ material or other videos that he would have no say in the matter.This might tar his image

It is alex's material and he has every right to tell them to take it off, and if not take legal action if they dont - then he can win in court for damages. But these guys responded to his request and took down all his videos. But now alex also has a problem with them using the word "infowars" which they can do, so can i if i want to. No one can own a word, they can have a copyright claim on it in the commercial world (e.g if i use google in a domain name they can take it off me) but alex doesnt have this either. ALl can be said is tough luck alex you lose, someone beat you to it. Im kinda regretting not thinking of that domain name before as its a good name, good for SEO and getting in traffic.

The site can take sponsors that tar his image but that site has every right to do so lol. They wont be doing anything wrong. It'll be the case then to just stop using it if you dont like it.

[deca]

I think you have just proved AJ right , think hes correct in nipping this in the bud , whats next infowarsradio , infowarsTshirts,infowarbooks ect.......

[gu3rr1lla]

I think you have just proved AJ right , think hes correct in nipping this in the bud , whats next infowarsradio , infowarsTshirts ect.......

He's not right, buts he's right in taking down videos from a site he doesnt want them on - that is all.

As for infowarsradio and infowarstshirts, if they're providing their own service by selling their own tshirts then alex cant do anyhting about it. If they're selling his tshirts he still cant do anything about it lol and if this was the case the only place they could get the tshirts would be from alex wouldnt it? so he'd be making money either way.

[bluman]

Nah, he just doesn't like to touch on things he can't prove. You can be pretty sure that he'll only discuss stuff that's provable by fact, that's why he doesn't go into UFOs, reptilians, etc, but that said, he doesn't dismiss that stuff either, he just won't touch stuff he can't prove. I only became a listener of AJ when he was interviewing Icke about last October, now I rarely miss a show.

Recently he said he believes 98% of what Icke says, and for all I know the other 2 % might be right as well.

I don't envy the bloke, he's between a rock and hard place, if he starts coming out with more information he will be labelled insane, and yet because he doesn't mention certain things, he's withholding information from us. He will only talk about stuff he can support with solid evidence.

I don't really like his religious slant on things, but I know it's just his way of understanding consciousness.



How can you claim to only push information that can be proved with solid evidence, and then push your Christian views?

Christianity has no proof for it whatsoever (the bible is proof! - no it fucking isnt. wake up.)

Even David Icke critisises Alex over his extreme religious views. Religion, as Icke puts its, is part of the same control matrix that stops us from being free thinkers, as they filter reality to fit into their biased pre-judged belief system.

Yes everyone is free to believe what the want, even when there is no proof. Its someones right to believe in a religion, just as its someones right to believe in magical fairys at the bottom of the garden. Both are equally as delusional in my opinion.

But again, my point is how can Alex say he only pushes information that has solid evidence and then tries to push his religious doctrine (Christianity) along with it (something that has no solid evidence to back it up)?

Alex Jones = Hypocrite.

[deca]

erm Believe ,faith and knowledge are separate things

[gu3rr1lla]

Nah, he just doesn't like to touch on things he can't prove. You can be pretty sure that he'll only discuss stuff that's provable by fact, that's why he doesn't go into UFOs, reptilians, etc, but that said, he doesn't dismiss that stuff either, he just won't touch stuff he can't prove. I only became a listener of AJ when he was interviewing Icke about last October, now I rarely miss a show.

Recently he said he believes 98% of what Icke says, and for all I know the other 2 % might be right as well.

I don't envy the bloke, he's between a rock and hard place, if he starts coming out with more information he will be labelled insane, and yet because he doesn't mention certain things, he's withholding information from us. He will only talk about stuff he can support with solid evidence.

I don't really like his religious slant on things, but I know it's just his way of understanding consciousness.

The only proof he has is the proof you think he has otherwise it's just evidence or his opinion. I hope you know what i mean by this ;)

The shows i've listened to he doesnt actually talk about anything worth listening to, just giving his opinion on some news article or talking about what hes going to talk about. As for his website less than 10% of it is his, the rest infowars is just quoting other articles! lol! Going by some peoples logic regarding shutting down infowarstv then infowars.com deserves to be shut down! :D

[gu3rr1lla]

Go onto infowars.com and have a look at the articles on the front page. At a quick glance i found only 5/6 of them are written by infowars. Anything by "Paul Craig Roberts"/ "Steve Watson"/ or "Infowars" is writtten by them and they quote a lot of Kurt Nimmo, i think Alex is paying him now because of that. Everything else comes from other news websites, hardly proof is it? So people have a problem with infowarstv.com for posting a few of alexs videos but dont have a problem with alex posting up other peoples articles?

[deca]

The only proof he has is the proof you think he has otherwise it's just evidence or his opinion. I hope you know what i mean by this ;)

The shows i've listened to he doesnt actually talk about anything worth listening to, just giving his opinion on some news article or talking about what hes going to talk about. As for his website less than 10% of it is his, the rest infowars is just quoting other articles! lol! Going by some peoples logic regarding shutting down infowarstv then infowars.com deserves to be shut down! :D


you show your true colours now.....why are you upset that inforwarsTV not showing AJ videos then???

Ah you just want to dig and knock at AJ then

[largejack]

How can you claim to only push information that can be proved with solid evidence, and then push your Christian views?

Christianity has no proof for it whatsoever (the bible is proof! - no it fucking isnt. wake up.)

Even David Icke critisises Alex over his extreme religious views. Religion, as Icke puts its, is part of the same control matrix that stops us from being free thinkers, as they filter reality to fit into their biased pre-judged belief system.

Yes everyone is free to believe what the want, even when there is no proof. Its someones right to believe in a religion, just as its someones right to believe in magical fairys at the bottom of the garden. Both are equally as delusional in my opinion.

But again, my point is how can Alex say he only pushes information that has solid evidence and then tries to push his religious doctrine (Christianity) along with it (something that has no solid evidence to back it up)?

Alex Jones = Hypocrite.

Alex has his own faith in God, and he has a right to that if that is his want, personally I don't see religion in the same way as he does, although AJ does heavily criticise the mainstream religions, and he does like to keep religion out of his show as much as possible. The problem is most of his guests, who do talk a lot of sense and knowledge, are ardent christians as well.

[adbasque]

Guys Guys, why don't we wait to hear the two sides of the story before we can make any judgements?

Wouldn't that be a bit wise?

[gu3rr1lla]

you show your true colours now.....why are you upset that inforwarsTV not showing AJ videos then???

Ah you just want to dig and knock at AJ then

Im only giving my opinion. Im not upset over them not showing alexs videos, i couldnt care less. WHat im upset over is someone else using force against another which is what alex is doing on infowarstv.com. If it was someone doing it on alex, himself and others would cry censorship yet no one cares when alex is doing it.

[deca]

I would be more bothered about the government forcing laws censorship etc over us than what AJ is doing....in fact he expose this.
He is protecting his material and brand , image any business ,individual would do this.
He is doing this by lawful means

how long would I get away with selling marketing or even giving away a drink called coke cola plus or pepsi power !!!!!!

[largejack]

Guys Guys, why don't we wait to hear the two sides of the story before we can make any judgements?

Wouldn't that be a bit wise?

Yes, I'm sure there's more to this story than meets the eye, the only thing I've heard Alex censor is people coming on his forums calling for someone to be killed, especially as it brings the Feds straight round to his place of work.

[joe911]

the only thing I've heard Alex censor is people coming on his forums calling for someone to be killed, especially as it brings the Feds straight round to his place of work.

Most of those are the regulars,im actually glad i was banned from there.

I remember when the obama deception came out,someone had come asking for help and asked something like "do i need a program to put this xvid on a dvd?" and someone replyed "its divx,stop spreading this disinfo you asshole" :eek: Its like wtf they were only asking for help and were pounced on.

[joe911]

I would be more bothered about the government forcing laws censorship etc over us than what AJ is doing....in fact he expose this.
He is protecting his material and brand , image any business ,individual would do this.



So why does he tell people to spread his videos? And if his brand was so important to him why diddnt he take legal action against dave,who runs the alex jones channel?

[deca]

same reason you can`t charge $50 quid for a copy linux Debian and call it DebianTV and not add anything and do any work on it but you can copy it a pass it about.....stop asking stupid questions

[joe911]

same reason you can`t charge $50 quid for a copy linux Debian and call it DebianTV and not add anything and do any work on it but you can copy it a pass it about.....stop asking stupid questions

But this is different,it wasnt as if the guy was profiteering from it,i imagine it would be expensive paying for dedicated servers to host the videos. Ok he used the infowars name,but what would be wrong with alex just telling the guy he cant use that name,he could have even payed the guys new domain registration out of the 300 thousand he got in donations. The guy who started it only started it up when alex's youtube account was suspended,its a great idea imo,a truthers youtube,only without the restrictions etc...

[largejack]

Ah this thread is getting too bitchy, he releases his films for free and asks if people will buy the original to help his work. Not many people would do that. He wants the word out at all costs. Read the message and stop shooting the messenger, it isn't going to help us !

[deca]

how do you know he was not profiteering or intended to do in the future playing on the inforwars name? and Alex work?

anyway I am bored with this subject , I don`t now both sides of the story and think it will just turn into another way to knock slang AJ again , And from what I have seen hes done nothing wrong and anyone would do the same.

Alex jones has spent time,money and effort on the infowars name why should he change it just because somebody sees and opportunity to hijack it or pay for this guy to change it!!!.....please you are getting laughable

[joe911]

Alex jones has spent time,money and effort on the infowars name why should he change it just because somebody sees and opportunity to hijack it .....please you are getting laughable

Where did i say alex should change it? I said instead of legal action he could have just explained his concerns to the guy,and what i said was alex could even dip into that 300 thousand,just 7 dollars for a domain name for the guy,a kind of 'sorry for the inconvenience,no hard feelings'

[deca]

why should he? still laughable


Dear Alex
can i have some of your money ,
because i have a domain name called infowarplus and I don`t what to be associated with you.
can you send a check for a few grand

[joe911]

why should he? still laughable

Because the infowarstv guys not done anything wrong. He diddnt charge for the service he provided.He sold advertising space,to cover the huge bandwith bills he would endure.Alot of articles on infowars are from other news sources,with this logic they could take alex to court,because his site makes money and they get nothing from it.

If you owned a website with a similar name to one i owned and if i diddnt want you to use that name,id buy you a new domain name,as a good will gesture. If i had 300 thousand sat here 7 dollars is hardly breaking the bank,his lawyers fees are going to cost more than that.Isnt it something like £40 per letter? Its hardly laughable,it seems pretty logical in my eyes.

[antinwo]

Thing I don't like about Alex Jones is when he kicks off big style and the amount of adverts on his show.

[joe911]

why should he? still laughable


Dear Alex
can i have some of your money ,
because i have a domain name called infowarplus and I don`t what to be associated with you.
can you send a check for a few grand

The shoes on the opposite foot,alex doesnt want to be associated with them. Its hardly a few grand is it,,a .com domain name is about $7.

[deca]

Because the infowarstv guys not done anything wrong. He diddnt charge for the service he provided.He sold advertising space,to cover the huge bandwith bills he would endure.Alot of articles on infowars are from other news sources,with this logic they could take alex to court,because his site makes money and they get nothing from it.

If you owned a website with a similar name to one i owned and if i diddnt want you to use that name,id buy you a new domain name,as a good will gesture. If i had 300 thousand sat here 7 dollars is hardly breaking the bank,his lawyers fees are going to cost more than that.Isnt it something like £40 per letter? Its hardly laughable,it seems pretty logical in my eyes.

does Aj not have similar bills and out goings to cover and a right to protect his business model ???

also he use them under the fair use clause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
Fair use is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test. The term "fair use" originated in the United States, but has been added to Israeli law as well; a similar principle, fair dealing, exists in some other common law jurisdictions. Civil law jurisdictions have other limitations and exceptions to copyright.

end of story

[joe911]

does Aj not have similar bills and out goings to cover and a right to protect his business model ???

end of story

Ok,thats your opinion,thats fine. If alex wants to spend hundreds on lawyers fees rather than 7 dollars on a domain name,thats fine

[deca]

why don`t you send the guy $7 and tell him to change his name?

Think they guy knows he will not be so profitable without the inforwarTV name ! and showing AJ movies for free

also I think that having an infowar paid membership allows you to download full quilty versions of his movies
he might see this as unfair competition to that

[gu3rr1lla]

Ok,thats your opinion,thats fine. If alex wants to spend hundreds on lawyers fees rather than 7 dollars on a domain name,thats fine

And even if he spends thousands on lawyer fees he cant do anything about it because infowarstv.com did nothing wrong! lol

[gu3rr1lla]

why don`t you send the guy $7 and tell him to change his name?

Think they guy knows he will not be so profitable without the inforwarTV name !

why should they change their name? They are doing nothing wrong!!!

[gu3rr1lla]

Think they guy knows he will not be so profitable without the inforwarTV name ! and showing AJ movies for free

Yes exactly, and so what! They're still doing nothing wrong! lol

if i had a chance to set up a video site.... and the domain name video.com was available - do u think i'd turn that down!?????? lmao

infowarstv attracts in people in the "infowar" - the truthers - alex jones doesnt own this phrase!!

[wise haven]

Grow up and stop fucking around guys.

AJ has to make money to keep going - some of the ads are dubious but that is the nature of the beast unless you are a state sponsored propaganda machine like the BBC

He has to make a living like the rest of us - so why begrudge him an income...is he a monk or something? You only have to see how many hours a week he puts in to see he is serious.

Out of the whole anti-NWO machine AJ is the only one that puts his vids out for free and encourages it...........every one else, including Icke, require people to subscribe or buy the vids.

Stop being so mealy minded - and wake up.

Yes, AJ can be loud and ranty - so what, I do the same when I get pissed off.

Is AJ the new messiah? no, not by a long chalk. Is he perfect - again no....but you can't knock him for having a go.

Your are all sounding like communist, religious fundamentalists and expecting him to be some sort of saint/hero............it's never gonna happen - unless you want to lobotomize yourselves and grab onto Obama's coattails ....such a wonderful example :rolleyes:

Grow up an stop acting like snarky little kids :cool:

[joe911]

why don`t you send the guy $7 and tell him to change his name?


If i had 300 thousand dollars in donations id happily pay for this guy a domain name.

[gu3rr1lla]

Grow up and stop fucking around guys.

AJ has to make money to keep going - some of the ads are dubious but that is the nature of the beast unless you are a state sponsored propaganda machine like the BBC

He has to make a living like the rest of us - so why begrudge him an income...is he a monk or something? You only have to see how many hours a week he puts in to see he is serious.

Out of the whole anti-NWO machine AJ is the only one that puts his vids out for free and encourages it...........every one else, including Icke, require people to subscribe or buy the vids.

Stop being so mealy minded - and wake up.

Yes, AJ can be loud and ranty - so what, I do the same when I get pissed off.

Is AJ the new messiah? no, not by a long chalk. Is he perfect - again no....but you can't knock him for having a go.

Your are all sounding like communist, religious fundamentalists and expecting him to be some sort of saint/hero............it's never gonna happen - unless you want to lobotomize yourselves and grab onto Obama's coattails ....such a wonderful example :rolleyes:

Grow up an stop acting like snarky little kids :cool:

YEs i agree, but no one cares about ALex jones having ads, if he needs to make money fair enough. (infowarstv.com has to make money too)...alex jones selling ad space is not the point.... re-read the thread.

[gu3rr1lla]

I don`t now both sides of the story

THen go and research the other side

[deca]

AJ makes his own content and media these people relay on others peoples to make their money big difference

[gu3rr1lla]

AJ makes his own content and media these people relay on others peoples to make their money big difference

They're still not doing anything wrong!!! :p

If they are doing something wrong then so is Youtube, Google Video, Vimeo, Dailymotion, Veoh, MegaVideo, 56, Break, Liveleak, etc

Alex Jones relies on these services to spread his information.

[batou]

Looks like Amerideath just wants to cash in on AJ's fame.
infowarstv.com... if I saw that I'd think it was an Alex Jones site from the domain name.
AJ does encourage people to copy and distribute his vids, true. That is pretty generous considering the amount of blood sweat and tears he puts into it. That is his lifes work.

So, think about this.

1. Someone uploads Alex's videos to myspace, facebook, youtube, google videos etc. Potentially millions of new people will see it.

2. Someone makes a website called infowarstv.com and uploads Alex's videos. Potentially a thousand people might see it.

1a. The infowar is not being fought on myspace etc. It's at infowars.com, so people go there and advertising revenue flows in to AJ. A little is lost at the outset, but in the end, people are drawn to infowars.com

2a. People see a lot of other videos at infowarstv.com and stay there. It's another fight (in the same war), propped up by Alex's fame and work. The revenue flows into Amerideath.

Do you not see why this is a problem?

[gu3rr1lla]

Looks like Amerideath just wants to cash in on AJ's fame.
infowarstv.com... if I saw that I'd think it was an Alex Jones site from the domain name.
AJ does encourage people to copy and distribute his vids, true. That is pretty generous considering the amount of blood sweat and tears he puts into it. That is his lifes work.

So, think about this.

1. Someone uploads Alex's videos to myspace, facebook, youtube, google videos etc. Potentially millions of new people will see it.

2. Someone makes a website called infowarstv.com and uploads Alex's videos. Potentially a thousand people might see it.

1a. The infowar is not being fought on myspace etc. It's at infowars.com, so people go there and advertising revenue flows in to AJ. A little is lost at the outset, but in the end, people are drawn to infowars.com

2a. People see a lot of other videos at infowarstv.com and stay there. It's another fight (in the same war), propped up by Alex's fame and work. The revenue flows into Amerideath.

Do you not see why this is a problem?

No, because alex jones isnt the spokesman of truth. He only has at most 10 -20 videos. There are millions more out there. People dont have to watch alex jones videos to wake up. If people see other videos thats a great thing, thats what we want isnt it? I'd rather see them stay at infowars.tv and go to a truther video than stay on youtube and go to a video about meaningless crap.

Just because infowarstv.com is there doesnt mean people will stop using other sites. I hope to see more truther video sharing sites, sure abovetopsecret and a few others were already doing it. I will have one soon aswell ;)

[gu3rr1lla]

AJ does encourage people to copy and distribute his vids, true. That is pretty generous considering the amount of blood sweat and tears he puts into it. That is his lifes work.

Not really, because he doesnt put much work into it he pays others to do his work, hes just the talker.

[largejack]

Grow up and stop fucking around guys.

AJ has to make money to keep going - some of the ads are dubious but that is the nature of the beast unless you are a state sponsored propaganda machine like the BBC

He has to make a living like the rest of us - so why begrudge him an income...is he a monk or something? You only have to see how many hours a week he puts in to see he is serious.

Out of the whole anti-NWO machine AJ is the only one that puts his vids out for free and encourages it...........every one else, including Icke, require people to subscribe or buy the vids.

Stop being so mealy minded - and wake up.

Yes, AJ can be loud and ranty - so what, I do the same when I get pissed off.

Is AJ the new messiah? no, not by a long chalk. Is he perfect - again no....but you can't knock him for having a go.

Your are all sounding like communist, religious fundamentalists and expecting him to be some sort of saint/hero............it's never gonna happen - unless you want to lobotomize yourselves and grab onto Obama's coattails ....such a wonderful example :rolleyes:

Grow up an stop acting like snarky little kids :cool:

Hear hear !!!

Not only that, some of his sponsors are a bit dubious, but at least they're not mainstream. Most of them are true patriots themselves promoting healthy food, healthy skin care and health supplements and water that is pure. Businesses that would be told to fuck off in the mainstream media. What's wrong with you people ?

[largejack]

Not really, because he doesnt put much work into it he pays others to do his work, hes just the talker.

What??? Wake up!!!

[kde_]

infowars is an unprotected brand i can see why AJ wants to protect the name and branding.
If infowarsTV has a membership and can DL content upload to his own site and use the brand to drive traffic the site and sell advertising AJ is gonna be pissed off, maybe infowarsTV can offer AJ a taste and he will be happy.

[joe911]

Hear hear !!!

Not only that, some of his sponsors are a bit dubious, but at least they're not mainstream. Most of them are true patriots themselves promoting healthy food, healthy skin care and health supplements and water that is pure. Businesses that would be told to fuck off in the mainstream media. What's wrong with you people ?

That My solar backup sponsor are liars,they claim you can live off the grid with thier product,and this was exposed on the prison planet forum itself,,truth is you could only use it for a few hours,,great for if the power went out,but not living off the grid. Also you can buy the same kinda thing for $300 and they charge over $1000 for the same thing.

[monkeyboy]

sounds like mamma wants a new house :(

what i mean is all the lawyer e-mails etc were sent by his wife? i know quite a few blokes that hand over the purse strings to the wife either because they are better with money than they are or they just don`t have time to pay bills etc. aj strikes me as one of those blokes. so maybe it`s not his idea and we don`t know who is giving his wife advice either. just the feeling im getting from this.

[deca]

Why don`t some of you create your own media content as some of you are unhappy with AJ stuff and offer it to inforwarsTV for free and stop moaning.

No, thought not takes time, money, thought and effort......

[noewhan]

Hmmm.

Everyone has the choice to buy / donate.

I'm sure the DVD & movie part might be a problem, but there's always a fix. That's why I backed up every documentary I could find. Got to love 750GB.

[danster82]

If this is for real then there is no doubt that Alex is totaly in the wrong. His success is based on this very thing he is now filling legal action against...

Not only that but what a huge breach of trust, if its true then people should make this information "viral" as alex puts it all over the net every forum every video site the lot and people on mass should demand back any donations they have made.

But that is if its true, need to see what Alex has said about it anyone got any clips?

[wise haven]

YEs i agree, but no one cares about ALex jones having ads, if he needs to make money fair enough. (infowarstv.com has to make money too)...alex jones selling ad space is not the point.... re-read the thread.

AJ is giving his material out for free; so that people can copy, redistribute, or stream...................for free. I don't think the agreement was "take my material for free, copy it and sell it for a profit - that would be commercial suicide and bad practice.

Has anybody ascertained whether AJ wants a cut of the advertising revenue gained as profit after running costs are deducted?
Good sense would dictate that AJ, after giving his material away for free, would then allow InfowarsTV to make advertising revenue to re-coup the costs of running the site. But for InfowarsTv to try and make a profit after paying running costs is fucking cheeky to say the least.
Normally, in this sort of (Franchise) system the original business owner can sell rights to the business model for a cut of the profits............simple.
Selling the rights to a successful brand is normal business practice and works well as long as the success of the original business, idea or product is not compromised by bad practice of the licensee.

AJ/Inforwars should decide and make it plain whether it is being a charity or licensing it's brand to someone else. If it is the latter it would only be right for InfowarsTV to stump up a percentage of the advertising revenue.

[wise haven]

What??? Wake up!!!

My feelings too!!!!!!!!!!!

"He's only the talker" - obviously this guy guerilla has never run a business. For every hour on air you are looking at, at least, 3 hours prep, research and management per on air hour. Yes, he may have researchers but my feeling is that he does most of it himself to get that level of knowledge on every single subject he discusses.
Then you have to consider the documentary production, filming, writing, editing, supervision etc........that is a big work load.

[danster82]

AJ is giving his material out for free; so that people can copy, redistribute, or stream...................for free. I don't think the agreement was "take my material for free, copy it and sell it for a profit - that would be commercial suicide and bad practice.

Has anybody ascertained whether AJ wants a cut of the advertising revenue gained as profit after running costs are deducted?
Good sense would dictate that AJ, after giving his material away for free, would then allow InfowarsTV to make advertising revenue to re-coup the costs of running the site. But for InfowarsTv to try and make a profit after paying running costs is fucking cheeky to say the least.
Normally, in this sort of (Franchise) system the original business owner can sell rights to the business model for a cut of the profits............simple.
Selling the rights to a successful brand is normal business practice and works well as long as the success of the original business, idea or product is not compromised by bad practice of the licensee.

AJ/Inforwars should decide and make it plain whether it is being a charity or licensing it's brand to someone else. If it is the latter it would only be right for InfowarsTV to stump up a percentage of the advertising revenue.

The site doesnt sell it though it just duplicates youtube, and to take money from advertising is totally fine with me how else would they fund the site? This is pure garbage from Alex he needs to retract this legal action.

You say for infowarstv to take a profit after running cost is fucking cheeky? really well do you not think everyone who works for infowars does not take a profit after running costs? of course they do to pay their wages so why have the double standard. It takes time and effort to create a site like infowarstv and life is not in debt to you so why go around telling people what they can cannot do with the fruits of their own labour.

[deca]

yep very cheeky, this guy used to work for AJ as well, Bet AJ paid him a descent wage and taught a few things.....If it was a family run business like a shop and somebody they employed open a shop next door and sold the same thing they would be pissed

Think AJ should teach this cheeky dude a few new business lessons and some respect , and get him some shiny new servers on the cheep when this dude goes bankrupt.

[brainfreeze]

yep very cheeky, this guy used to work for AJ as well, Bet AJ paid him a descent wage and taught a few things.....If it was a family run business like a shop and somebody they employed open a shop next door and sold the same thing they would be pissed

Think AJ should teach this cheeky dude a few new business lessons and some respect , and get him some shiny new servers on the cheep when this dude goes bankrupt.

See what happens when you make conspiracy a business?

[wise haven]

The site doesnt sell it though it just duplicates youtube, and to take money from advertising is totally fine with me how else would they fund the site? This is pure garbage from Alex he needs to retract this legal action.

You say for infowarstv to take a profit after running cost is fucking cheeky? really well do you not think everyone who works for infowars does not take a profit after running costs? of course they do to pay their wages so why have the double standard. It takes time and effort to create a site like infowarstv and life is not in debt to you so why go around telling people what they can cannot do with the fruits of their own labour.


I think you are missing the point. AJ and Info wars radio, TV and Film is Alex Jones' property......the fruits of his labour - it belongs to him, he created it. After all the costs of employees, equipment, materials, utilities, rent, taxes and all the other associated costs have been paid from the revenue gained by advertising or other streams of income......what is left, if there is any, is PROFIT. He can then do what he wants with it....stick it up his arse or light cigars with 50 dollar bills, whatever. But it is his, the fruits of his labour and enterprise.

If he wants to give away the right to copy, distribute or stream his material, to get the message out more effectively, that is his right.

The people who have set up this InfowarsTV site will have chosen to fund the running costs out of their own pocket or from donations to cover the cost.
That is a not for profit operation (profit is the bit left over when costs have been paid)

If it is a for profit operation this means that there is cash left after all running costs have been paid that they can stuff their own pockets with. So what was the agreement?

Was the aim of AJ to give his material away for non profit redistribution?

or was it to license InforwarsTV to stream AJ's material for a cut of the profits (From whatever source derived)?

It needs to be made clear before this gets unnecessarily heated.

Good luck to InfowarsTV people in their endeveaour and the effort they have put in - but they need to be clear about their motive. Are they doing it for the common good or to provide an income from their labour? If it is to make an income, for themselves, from their labour they must remember that the producer of the original material (AJ)is entitled to a portion of that profit as reward for his time, effort and creativity.
So what is it?

[gu3rr1lla]

AJ is giving his material out for free; so that people can copy, redistribute, or stream...................for free. I don't think the agreement was "take my material for free, copy it and sell it for a profit - that would be commercial suicide and bad practice.

Has anybody ascertained whether AJ wants a cut of the advertising revenue gained as profit after running costs are deducted?
Good sense would dictate that AJ, after giving his material away for free, would then allow InfowarsTV to make advertising revenue to re-coup the costs of running the site. But for InfowarsTv to try and make a profit after paying running costs is fucking cheeky to say the least.
Normally, in this sort of (Franchise) system the original business owner can sell rights to the business model for a cut of the profits............simple.
Selling the rights to a successful brand is normal business practice and works well as long as the success of the original business, idea or product is not compromised by bad practice of the licensee.

AJ/Inforwars should decide and make it plain whether it is being a charity or licensing it's brand to someone else. If it is the latter it would only be right for InfowarsTV to stump up a percentage of the advertising revenue.

They're not selling his stuff.. take a look at the website ffs

[gu3rr1lla]

My feelings too!!!!!!!!!!!

"He's only the talker" - obviously this guy guerilla has never run a business. For every hour on air you are looking at, at least, 3 hours prep, research and management per on air hour. Yes, he may have researchers but my feeling is that he does most of it himself to get that level of knowledge on every single subject he discusses.
Then you have to consider the documentary production, filming, writing, editing, supervision etc........that is a big work load.

Well thats your opinion. You dont even know me so dont say such a thing. I run many businesses all on my own, especially on the internet. Im also a software/website designer so i know what these things are like. Im only 20 and i've basically already retired because i do what i love to do.

[avi912]

if this is all legit then i feel sorry for chris. but really he should have seen through alex earlier imo. sorry to any AJ fans out there but u really gotta stop idolising the fear mongering, money grabbing bullshitter

[gu3rr1lla]

yep very cheeky, this guy used to work for AJ as well, Bet AJ paid him a descent wage and taught a few things.....If it was a family run business like a shop and somebody they employed open a shop next door and sold the same thing they would be pissed

Think AJ should teach this cheeky dude a few new business lessons and some respect , and get him some shiny new servers on the cheep when this dude goes bankrupt.

He didnt work for him, he was a mod on the prison planet forum. You know that forum run by nazi mods where you can banned for thinking out of line? No, then try it :p

If a business set up next door to another business selling the same thing of coursre they would be pissed but legally they cant do anything about it. Thats life and the object of the game is to do better. This is the commercial world. And tbh the sites - infowarstv.com and alex jones infowars, even though i dont mind anyone making money, they are still both greedy c**ts. Infowarstv is making way more money than their costs but still they have every right to do so, if they please, just like infowars.com

[deca]

I like these AJ knockers , they never say this about presenters like Johnathon Ross ?

[wise haven]

They're not selling his stuff.. take a look at the website ffs

I did - I know they ain't selling the stuff but they are generating income/revenue from advertising on their site (no doubt)

If the advertising revenue helps to cover the costs of running the site, all well and good - makes sense.

But, if the unintended consequence of the site being popular this then cuts into Jonesy' advertising income, thereby affecting his operating model - he could rightly be concerned and ask for a cut of the ad revenue percentage.

If the site is running a profit and in direct competition to AJ and Infowars him giving his material away for free is committing commercial suicide and would have to be reviewed.

One observation I will make about AJ is that he could do with a more diplomatic business manager (not himself) because of some of his bluster creates bad PR and this is a case in point. I reckon Jones is right - but he went about it in the wrong way.
He needs to gag himself sometimes :D

[wise haven]

Well thats your opinion. You dont even know me so dont say such a thing. I run many businesses all on my own, especially on the internet. Im also a software/website designer so i know what these things are like. Im only 20 and i've basically already retired because i do what i love to do.

Sorry if I offended - true I don't know you but I based my opinion on what you said which seemed a little naive.

Good to hear you are successful in your business ventures - but all businesses are different. Running a farm is different from running a media company....and my point was that a lot more time is spent behind the scenes for every hour Jones is on the air.


I agree with the competition thing - yes, it is about having the edge if you want to succeed but in this case they were using AJ's freely given material to directly compete with him. Therefore he has every right to stop them using it.
:)

[gu3rr1lla]

I think you are missing the point. AJ and Info wars radio, TV and Film is Alex Jones' property......the fruits of his labour - it belongs to him, he created it. After all the costs of employees, equipment, materials, utilities, rent, taxes and all the other associated costs have been paid from the revenue gained by advertising or other streams of income......what is left, if there is any, is PROFIT. He can then do what he wants with it....stick it up his arse or light cigars with 50 dollar bills, whatever. But it is his, the fruits of his labour and enterprise.

If he wants to give away the right to copy, distribute or stream his material, to get the message out more effectively, that is his right.

The people who have set up this InfowarsTV site will have chosen to fund the running costs out of their own pocket or from donations to cover the cost.
That is a not for profit operation (profit is the bit left over when costs have been paid)

If it is a for profit operation this means that there is cash left after all running costs have been paid that they can stuff their own pockets with. So what was the agreement?

Was the aim of AJ to give his material away for non profit redistribution?

or was it to license InforwarsTV to stream AJ's material for a cut of the profits (From whatever source derived)?

It needs to be made clear before this gets unnecessarily heated.

Good luck to InfowarsTV people in their endeveaour and the effort they have put in - but they need to be clear about their motive. Are they doing it for the common good or to provide an income from their labour? If it is to make an income, for themselves, from their labour they must remember that the producer of the original material (AJ)is entitled to a portion of that profit as reward for his time, effort and creativity.
So what is it?

There was no agreement at all. Alex loved this site and openly promoted it on his radio show. Then when he realised he wasnt getting a cut of the advertising money he cut them off and sent them a notice to take off his videos, which he has every right to do so. But logic tells me if this is the case why doesnt he go after youtube for doing the exact same thing? Infowarstv isnt dedicated to alex jones videos, in fact only 5% of the videos on there where alex jones. You're right in saying these are the fruits of his labour but the name "infowars" is not trademarked by him and thus cannot shut down the infowarstv website. And even if he had trademarked this name there has to be proof that they were using the website illicetly, under common law, to still be able to shut it down or take it off them. But anyway no where in the cease and desist notice did it say anything about the domain name, the dispute was in the videos being on the site. Now they didnt actually upload these videos - the users did. Its like you uploading copyrighted material to youtube, the owners can demand youtube to take it off.

The whole thing is a mess, and really the faults lie on both sides. They shouldnt have reacted in this way and should have resolved it privately. I think the reason why Chris the owner reacted like this because it came out of the blue and his instinct was to defend himself by "getting the word out".

But i need to retract some of what i said earlier because for the past few hours i looked into this more. I found that infowarstv did more than what you see now, they also had a picture of alex as their logo. I can see why alex went the way he went. I actually went and read every thread on every forum that was discussing this and a lot of people came up with good info. I think what people are concluding now is it was faults on both ends and it should have been handled properly by both sides. Lets hope they can partner up together and stop this.

As i said already im an internet entrepeneur i will be releasing my own video sharing site soon (programmed myself not using free script like what infowarstv are doing lol) and wont be charging those ridiculous ad prices. Like c'mon they're charging 2000 a month for ad space on a site that doesnt even get that many hits and by the looks of it they dont have a sound business model and are likely to fail, their front page and rest of the site looks like shit from all the ads aswell.

[gu3rr1lla]

Sorry if I offended - true I don't know you but I based my opinion on what you said which seemed a little naive.

Good to hear you are successful in your business ventures - but all businesses are different. Running a farm is different from running a media company....and my point was that a lot more time is spent behind the scenes for every hour Jones is on the air.


I agree with the competition thing - yes, it is about having the edge if you want to succeed but in this case they were using AJ's freely given material to directly compete with him. Therefore he has every right to stop them using it.
:)

Yeah i did didnt i, i even realised that after i said some things (like him paying others to do work). Its mad the way we humans seem to side with our emotions and think we're right and just storm on lol, but i calmed down a little over the last few hours and tried to comprehend both sides. Theres two sides to every story as they say. Lets hope they can resolve this and move on. :)

[avi912]

I like these AJ knockers , they never say this about presenters like Johnathon Ross ?


thats because its obvious presenters like ross are full of shit anyway. like george carlin said "theres bullshit everywhere". mainly cos everyone is out to make money, apart from the little guy like you and me

[wise haven]

There was no agreement at all. Alex loved this site and openly promoted it on his radio show. Then when he realised he was getting a cut of the advertising money he cut them off and sent them a notice to take off his videos, which he has every right to do so. But logic tells me if this is the case why doesnt he go after youtube for doing the exact same thing? Infowarstv isnt dedicated to alex jones videos, in fact only 5% of the videos on there where alex jones. You're right in saying these are the fruits of his labour but the name "infowars" is not trademarked by him and thus cannot shut down the infowarstv website. And even if he had trademarked this name there has to be proof that they were using the website illicetly, under common law, to still be able to shut it down or take it off them. But anyway no where in the cease and desist notice did it say anything about the domain name, the dispute was in the videos being on the site. Now they didnt actually upload these videos - the users did. Its like you uploading copyrighted material to youtube, the owners can demand youtube to take it off.

The whole thing is a mess, and really the faults lie on both sides. They shouldnt have reacted in this way and should have resolved it privately. I think the reason why Chris the owner reacted like this because it came out of the blue and his instinct was to defend himself by "getting the word out".

But i need to retract some of what i said earlier because for the past few hours i looked into this more. I found that infowarstv did more than what you see now, they also had a picture of alex as their logo. I can see why alex went the way he went. I actually went and read every thread on every forum that was discussing this and a lot of people came up with good info. I think what people are concluding now is it was faults on both ends and it should have been handled properly by both sides. Lets hope they can partner up together and stop this.

As i said already im an internet entrepeneur i will be releasing my own video sharing site soon (programmed myself not using free script like what infowarstv are doing lol) and wont be charging those ridiculous ad prices. Like c'mon they're charging 2000 a month for ad space on a site that doesnt even get that many hits and by the looks of it they dont have a sound business model and are likely to fail, their front page and rest of the site looks like shit from all the ads aswell.

Cheers, it is all starting to get a little clearer now.

Seems people on both sides have been a little hot headed - they need to take out of the public arena, get sorted and then get back on track without the animosity.

[wise haven]

Yeah i did didnt i, i even realised that after i said some things (like him paying others to do work). Its mad the way we humans seem to side with our emotions and think we're right and just storm on lol, but i calmed down a little over the last few hours and tried to comprehend both sides. Theres two sides to every story as they say. Lets hope they can resolve this and move on. :)

You've just proved why you have been successful - you have the guts to admit a mistake and you are a human being.

Fair play to you ;)

[danster82]

I think you are missing the point. AJ and Info wars radio, TV and Film is Alex Jones' property......the fruits of his labour - it belongs to him, he created it. After all the costs of employees, equipment, materials, utilities, rent, taxes and all the other associated costs have been paid from the revenue gained by advertising or other streams of income......what is left, if there is any, is PROFIT. He can then do what he wants with it....stick it up his arse or light cigars with 50 dollar bills, whatever. But it is his, the fruits of his labour and enterprise.

If he wants to give away the right to copy, distribute or stream his material, to get the message out more effectively, that is his right.

The people who have set up this InfowarsTV site will have chosen to fund the running costs out of their own pocket or from donations to cover the cost.
That is a not for profit operation (profit is the bit left over when costs have been paid)

If it is a for profit operation this means that there is cash left after all running costs have been paid that they can stuff their own pockets with. So what was the agreement?

Was the aim of AJ to give his material away for non profit redistribution?

or was it to license InforwarsTV to stream AJ's material for a cut of the profits (From whatever source derived)?

It needs to be made clear before this gets unnecessarily heated.

Good luck to InfowarsTV people in their endeveaour and the effort they have put in - but they need to be clear about their motive. Are they doing it for the common good or to provide an income from their labour? If it is to make an income, for themselves, from their labour they must remember that the producer of the original material (AJ)is entitled to a portion of that profit as reward for his time, effort and creativity.
So what is it?

Since when has Alex jones been about profit? And this is the point that one minute the guys on radio saying copy the DVD's distribute start up other websites call them whatever you like! these are Alex words and then hes also saying his message which is basicly "Its too late" "its over" we have lost the end is now and so on and then after saying this he has the time to calmly file legal damages against someone? that stinks rotten he clearly doesn't believe what he is preaching on his show

[adbasque]

Can we step back and think why these two attacks appeared almost at the same time? about AJ and DI?

somebody is making big effort out there to discredit these two guys, doesn't it sound a little bit suspicious?:rolleyes:

[danster82]

Can we step back and think why these two attacks appeared almost at the same time? about AJ and DI?

somebody is making big effort out there to discredit these two guys, doesn't it sound a little bit suspicious?:rolleyes:

Thats why it would be good to confirm if Alex did or did not file a legal claim.

[flickflack]

Can we step back and think why these two attacks appeared almost at the same time? about AJ and DI?

somebody is making big effort out there to discredit these two guys, doesn't it sound a little bit suspicious?:rolleyes:

Attack on David Icke? Are you talking about the case with Adams?

[wise haven]

Can we step back and think why these two attacks appeared almost at the same time? about AJ and DI?

somebody is making big effort out there to discredit these two guys, doesn't it sound a little bit suspicious?:rolleyes:

Any attempt to discredit those that expose the globalist agenda should be a concern for all of us.
In this case I think the situation is more benign than it appears (I could be wrong though).
What is obvious is that there has been a clash of personalities caused by a lack of communication about what permissions AJ has granted to InfowarsTV.

It is now time to talk and time to resolve and time to clarify before this gets nastier than it should. However, this may also be an attempt to discredit Jones and needs to be sorted ASAP.

No more soap operatics please - there is far too much of that on TV as it is.

[bobbydiva]

Alex owns the infowars name, I'm sure it would be fine if the website owner got a new domain or something. The site could be damaging in many ways, they might endorse a video that Alex doesn't agree with but appears to have his backing. Then there's the fact that it could screw with search results and marketing.