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real6
02-07-2009, 03:55 PM
New eurosceptic group to campaign against EU treaty in Irish referendum

http://euobserver.com/9/28403

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS – The Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group – the new eurosceptic party formerly known as the Independence-Democracy Group - announced its party name and political programme on Wednesday (1 July).

The new party of 30 MEPs also intends to campaign against the Lisbon Treaty in the second Irish referendum likely to be held this October, with the party's co-president, Nigel Farage of UKIP, laying down a strong marker at the party's first meeting in the European parliament.

Nigel Farage outlined the new party's anti-Lisbon Treaty stance (Photo: EUobserver.com)

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"We will do our damndest in the second referendum to make sure that the people of Ireland understand that these so-called ‘guarantees' that they were given at the recent European summit, frankly are not worth the paper that they were written on," he said.

Irish prime minister Brian Cowen successfully secured legal guarantees in the areas of taxation, social issues and neutrality from EU leaders who met in Brussels last month, in the hope they will persuade Irish voters to back the EU's reforming treaty a second time round.

However Mr Farage said Irish voters had already rejected the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum last June, just as French and Dutch voters rejected the similar Constitutional Treaty in 2005, but politicians were not willing to listen to their responses.

"Mr Barroso and his cronies don't understand what the word ‘no' means," he said.

Whether the new party will actively campaign in Ireland during the second referendum has yet to be decided Mr Farage told EUobserver, but the party is currently seeking expert advice on the legality of the three 'guarantees' and will distribute information in Ireland during the campaign.

"I'm hoping by the time we pack up in Strasbourg for the summer [in two weeks time], that we will have a more advanced plan of action," he said.

Party make-up and political programme

The new party will be dominated by the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) with 13 MEPs and the Lega Nord party from Italy with nine MEPs.

Francesco Speroni from the Lega Nord will be the second co-president of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy group, along with Mr Farage.

The Laic Orthodox Party (LAOS) from Greece will contribute two MEPs to the new eurosceptic party, as will the Danish People's Party.

The Mouvement pour la France, the Reformed Political Party from the Netherlands, the True Finns and the Slovak National Party will all contribute one MEP, bringing the current total to 30 MEPs from eight countries.

Mr Farage said the party was still in negotiations with several other parties around Europe and hoped to bring more deputies on board before the first plenary session in Strasbourg on 14 July.

Mr Farage also outlined the new party's four-point political programme on Wednesday, with the document placing strong emphasis on the principles of democracy and the sovereignty of nation states.

"The group favours an open, transparent, democratic and accountable co-operation among sovereign European states and rejects the bureaucratisation of Europe and the creation of a single centralised European superstate," reads the programme.

griswald
11-07-2009, 01:41 PM
I heard on Irish radio today, that Nigel Farage has called for an Irish legal firm to check the legality of the guarantees given for Lisbon 2. And he will make the outcome of the legal investigation available to the irish people.

griswald

killmicrosoft
11-07-2009, 03:41 PM
i bet it will be a white wash

dangermouse
11-07-2009, 03:57 PM
I heard on Irish radio today, that Nigel Farage has called for an Irish legal firm to check the legality of the guarantees given for Lisbon 2. And he will make the outcome of the legal investigation available to the irish people.

griswald

cool

griswald
11-07-2009, 06:36 PM
i bet it will be a white wash

I prefer to think of it an an opportunity to let the irishpeople consider an alternative choice than the governments yes view being rammed down their throat. I,m not condemning it yet.

griswald

simplysimon
11-07-2009, 06:42 PM
I think we should be preparing to offer whatever support we can to our Irish friends on the forums here.

They may need some help with things like:

Flyers,
Petrol Money / Rail fares
CD's/DVD's being copied
Funding for advertising

This issue is going to affect every single person living in Europe.

That feels important enough to help out with a few quid if required :)

griswald
11-07-2009, 06:45 PM
I think we should be preparing to offer whatever support we can to our Irish friends on the forums here.

They may need some help with things like:

Flyers,
Petrol Money / Rail fares
CD's/DVD's being copied
Funding for advertising

This issue is going to affect every single person living in Europe.

That feels important enough to help out with a few quid if required :)


Positivity................nice:cool:

griswald

freckles
15-07-2009, 02:05 AM
I think we should be preparing to offer whatever support we can to our Irish friends on the forums here.

They may need some help with things like:

Flyers,
Petrol Money / Rail fares
CD's/DVD's being copied
Funding for advertising

This issue is going to affect every single person living in Europe.

That feels important enough to help out with a few quid if required :)

:) If money is required I am sure the universe will send it ;) But downloads for flyers and CD's etc always helps. Thanks so much simplysimon :)

I have a good feeling that people are going to vote no, but I will still be proactively putting the information out there to people. Brian & co will most likely return from their holidays, noses aglow from the fine whisky, and come up with some problem to make people react to vote for the solution that is the lisbon treaty.

I am trying to come up with some positive ways to spread the message.. .... .. through art, graphics, music etc.... all ideas welcome.

wise haven
15-07-2009, 10:35 AM
I think we should be preparing to offer whatever support we can to our Irish friends on the forums here.

They may need some help with things like:

Flyers,
Petrol Money / Rail fares
CD's/DVD's being copied
Funding for advertising

This issue is going to affect every single person living in Europe.

That feels important enough to help out with a few quid if required :)

Ta Simplysimon - I'll bung a coupla quid

drhemp
15-07-2009, 12:31 PM
How many monitors will be watching the counted votes from overseeing every move of the ballot boxes to the count? I fear if they think they will lose again, then a few ballot boxes with pre-filled in X's in the 'yes' box. Would this be easy for them to do or do both sides get to monitor the elections?

Certainly the 'no' camp need to keep a close eye on proceedings. We don't want any extra votes added, like the ones that mysteriously appeared in BLiar's constituency at the last British election, which made sure BLiar kept his seat in Parliament, because if it were down to the people of Sedgefield, he would have lost to antiwar campaigner Reg Keyes.

decim
15-07-2009, 02:44 PM
A 1 million megaphones for Ireland fund.

killmicrosoft
15-07-2009, 04:00 PM
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simplysimon
17-07-2009, 12:00 PM
I was thinking last night about flyers. If someone could come up with some artwork for these one-liners it'd be helpful.


Do you want more corruption? NO!
Do politicians serve you well? NO!
Ready for slavery? NO!
Can you criticise the EU? NO!
Did the EU listen to you? NO!
Are you free? NO!
Give more money to the EU? NO!
Want more laws from the EU? NO!


At the bottom of the flyer we could address each of these issues in a single paragraph. Just needs someone more creative than me to do some snazzy design stuff :)

yozhik
17-07-2009, 12:15 PM
I was thinking last night about flyers. If someone could come up with some artwork for these one-liners it'd be helpful.


Do you want more corruption? NO!
Do politicians serve you well? NO!
Ready for slavery? NO!
Can you criticise the EU? NO!
Did the EU listen to you? NO!
Are you free? NO!
Give more money to the EU? NO!
Want more laws from the EU? NO!


At the bottom of the flyer we could address each of these issues in a single paragraph. Just needs someone more creative than me to do some snazzy design stuff :)

I would both copy what was done in previous campaigns and also appeal to that which is know ... design it as a voting ballot, with each of the issues being a candidate ... the X in a box signifying the candidate vote but also immediately a symbol representing "no".

For example, the "candidate name" might be "Freedom to criticize EU policy" ... followed by a box with an "X" in it.

Another candidate might be "All local parties to be dismantled and all local issues to be ignored" ... again, followed by a box with an "X"

"Sovereign countries to surrender their armies to EU parliament" ... X

Its relevant to the referendum, its immediately identifiable too.