Most Violent country in Europe?

[adbasque]

The most violent country in Europe, South Africa, and the USA?

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it is revealed today.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-015B644E00001005-992_468x309.jpg

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

* The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
* It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
* The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
* It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

Source Here (http://www.reseaumondial.org/forum/index.php/topic,138.0.html)

Yes any excuses, to introduce more laws and regulations.

[cafetimes1991]

Ouch.
I think Iceland is the most non-violent?

[adbasque]

Ouch.
I think Iceland is the most non-violent?

I think so yes, but this to fool people the reason why we have such high crime level is because our laws are not all made from EU, unless we let the EU rule us we will suffer the consequences, that's where it's leading to.

[guuna]

But of course it is.

[cornilouse]

you trying to mug me off?

who the fuck are you calling violent, i ought to come over there and open you up..

slag

;)

[robdoo]

So people in Britain like to have a tear up, meh, no big suprise.

[dancing_with_durga]

Treat these figures with a great deal of suspicion. I remember reading an article on the BBC site a couple of years back that had the screaming headline "Crime Soars". When you read the actual article, tucked away near the bottom (where most people don't bother reading) it actually said that whilst crime figures overall had fallen, there was a serious increase in violent robbery. Now this sounds bad, until you go elsewhere and learn that the increase consisted almost entirely of schoolkids nicking mobile phones off each other.

When I was at school, dinner money got nicked occasionally, and posh kids had their caps nicked and thrown on the railway lines from time to time, but they weren't recorded as violent crimes. Also remember whenever you read figures for "firearms offences' in the UK it includes incidents involving air-guns, not really firearms at all, but it all helps to add to the sense of increasing lawlessness and danger, which requires the government to introduce 'tough new measures' and 'increased police powers' so they can 'protect the public'.

Crime figures are produced by the police and you know they have their agenda, and their figures are about as reliable as their estimates of numbers on any given anti-war demo. In over thirty years of reading newspapers and watching TV news in Britain I have never seen a headline saying "Crime Down!" It just keeps on going up and up, apparently.
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[scatlond]

you trying to mug me off?

who the fuck are you calling violent, i ought to come over there and open you up..

slag

;)

OI! D'you wont sam. Cam on nen.

[adbasque]

When I was at school, dinner money got nicked occasionally, and posh kids had their caps nicked and thrown on the railway lines from time to time, but they weren't recorded as violent crimes. Also remember whenever you read figures for "firearms offences' in the UK it includes incidents involving air-guns, not really firearms at all, but it all helps to add to the sense of increasing lawlessness and danger, which requires the government to introduce 'tough new measures' and 'increased police powers' so they can 'protect the public'.



Exactly this whole thing is boiling down to give the government and the police more power, to strip us from are liberties.

The big criminals like the bankers are taking our money, even though we bailed the bastards out, they are still taking millions in bonuses.

The other thing the media tried to do was to worry the average youth enough so they can start carrying knives with them, and at the first fight they pull the knives out because they are there and stab one another, which will feed back to the media again, and pushes the crime rate even further up than it really is.

The school where my son goes to, three kids of his school were found to carry knives when they were asked why do you carry them?
their answer was for self defense.
so multiply this by thousands?
very clever by these bastards!!

[bendoon]

Its all the imported criminals, what on earth would you expect.

Over 50% of the murders in London are commited by non UK citizens
60% of robberies in London committed by blacks, 30% of country as a whole
10% of Prison inmates are Muslim, more than twice their presence in the population
30% of prisoners are non whites, 3 times their presence in the population.
Hundreds of english girls 10-15 years old sexually abused by Pakisatani Men aged 18-50
Murderers, rapists wanted for trial in countries all over the world and the Gov won't send them back for trial.

No immigration equals low crime just like it was 50 years ago.

[cornilouse]

OI! D'you wont sam. Cam on nen.

do what u queer

fuck off and do one

[adbasque]

Its all the imported criminals, what on earth would you expect.

Over 50% of the murders in London are commited by non UK citizens
60% of robberies in London committed by blacks, 30% of country as a whole
10% of Prison inmates are Muslim, more than twice their presence in the population
30% of prisoners are non whites, 3 times their presence in the population.

Murderers, rapists wanted for trial in countries all over the world and the Gov won't send them back for trial.

No immigration equals low crime just like it was 50 years ago.

What's it next, shall we all vote BNP to bring everything back to normal under control, is this what you're going to say next?

We are talking about the government promoting crime, this is not a BNP thread, the BNP thread is this way please >>>>b.n.p

let me tell you something, hatred is not going to take you anywhere
racism never achieved anything, people are evolving, you're going back, you can't call yourself a civilised human being, racist views are things of the past, believe me even if half of Britain leaves and the entire Britain becomes white as you wish it would be, now, later you will be picking on other people, short, fat, tall, skinny, mentally disabled, brown eyed, dark haired, and so on, it never ends.

If you have hate, you must supress it, this is your country, but one day you die, you ain't taking anything with you, nothing.
Earth is our home, planet earth, we are all humans, nobody has more right than another, arrogance will never take you anywhere.

Arrogant people will never ever learn, their arrogance will always be in the way.

you think you will be happier if the entire country is all white, you will be bored to death.
All countries have multiculturism, it's a variety, diversity, it's not something bad.

Your problem is not to do with the illegal immigrants, your problem is you want everyone is to be white blue eyes.

Anyway could please use the topic accordingly and leave the BNP for the BNP thread thanks

[cornilouse]

Its all the imported criminals, what on earth would you expect.

Over 50% of the murders in London are commited by non UK citizens
60% of robberies in London committed by blacks, 30% of country as a whole
10% of Prison inmates are Muslim, more than twice their presence in the population
30% of prisoners are non whites, 3 times their presence in the population.
Hundreds of english girls 10-15 years old sexually abused by Pakisatani Men aged 18-50
Murderers, rapists wanted for trial in countries all over the world and the Gov won't send them back for trial.

No immigration equals low crime just like it was 50 years ago.

where do you get your figures from?


it is all besides the point, all people of all races are stuck in this same mess we call society together, ethnic minorties are not the problem, it is the u.k corporation and all the other corporate governments that are the problem

[siliconpsychosis]

Ive lived in a few big cities and 'rough' areas all my life including Chatham, Sittingbourne, Luton, Newcastle and Gateshead, and to be honest, you can usually avoid violent situations by simply walking away or being passive.

Ive been mugged at knife point by three guys living in Luton. I gave them my only fiver and walked away, no problem there.

Ive been in a situation where my friend and hes girlfriend were being punched by two guys. She was protecting his head so I protected her head. The puches lasted about 3 minutes then the two guys ran off. We were all scared but nothing more than my friend breaking his nose.

I was in a situation where several guys were kicking my brothers head in really bad, and I simply tried to block people trying to hit me in the head. Eventually the mob disappeared, my brother had a broken nose and was very badly bruised but ultimately he was ok.

Britain may be violent but most times its not really likely anyone will die.

As for the stats that one violent attack happens every two minutes in Britain : to be honest that doesnt even sound like a lot to me. For a country with 60 million people that means 1 person every 2 minutes, 10 in 20, minutes, 72 people a day, 26280 per year. Which equates to about 2222 to one chance of it happening to you in a single year. So even in a lifetime you would be unlucky to have been attacked more than once.

Clear case of scaring the masses. Divide and conquer. In essence people are generally passive.

[hawk]

Well that's just tough shit, there are times when a person must fight back. Even in self defense. I'm not gonna let somebody beat on me.I'll let them throw the first punch but after that, I have to defend myself and when I do,it's not pretty because I hate to fight and I won't fight fair.I'll do anything I can to hurt you as much as you need to be to get the point.After that when it's over, you either walk away or come and get some more.
I'll panic when I get into those situations where I'm forced into it,becuz I've been known to lob a brick or two at people and their heads! If someone came at me with a knife, I know I would try my best to kill them with it. I hate fighting, but when the situation calls for it as in self defense then I'm going to do what I have to.

[bendoon]

Anyway could please use the topic accordingly and leave the BNP for the BNP thread thanks

Looks to me like you are the only one to mention the BNP, are you obsessed with them or something ? :D

I just stated a simple truth, violent crime is exploding all over western Europe due to immigration by Muslims and Africans. Countrys like Norway that have always had extremely low crime are now being plagued by violent rapes and gang rapes committed exclusively by North African immigrants.

If you don't like to hear the truth put some earplugs on.

[siliconpsychosis]

Well thats your choice, though your choice will more probably amplify a violent situation into a potentially life threatening one. From my experience, passivity takes more courage yet usually has more positive results.

[siliconpsychosis]

I just stated a simple truth, violent crime is exploding all over western Europe due to immigration by Muslims and Africans. Countrys like Norway that have always had extremely low crime are now being plagued by violent rapes and gang rapes committed exclusively by North African immigrants.


Sounds more like exaggeration and speculation to me. The fact is most people are passive.

[bendoon]

Sounds more like exaggeration and speculation to me. The fact is most people are passive.

Thats all fine and good, unless you are one of the victims then you might just have to think about the consequences of what you say..

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

[siliconpsychosis]

lol thats funny.

So if Im one of the victims are you saying I should then believe your previous quote that......

I just stated a simple truth, violent crime is exploding all over western Europe due to immigration by Muslims and Africans. Countrys like Norway that have always had extremely low crime are now being plagued by violent rapes and gang rapes committed exclusively by North African immigrants.

Im more likely to think that Im the unlucky victim of a rare violent crime. End of.

[kanz]

If you just mean western europe its Scotland , Glasgow if you go by the records. As far as I can remmeber

[paradise_1000]

Its all the imported criminals, what on earth would you expect.

Over 50% of the murders in London are commited by non UK citizens
60% of robberies in London committed by blacks, 30% of country as a whole
10% of Prison inmates are Muslim, more than twice their presence in the population
30% of prisoners are non whites, 3 times their presence in the population.
Hundreds of english girls 10-15 years old sexually abused by Pakisatani Men aged 18-50
Murderers, rapists wanted for trial in countries all over the world and the Gov won't send them back for trial.

No immigration equals low crime just like it was 50 years ago.

Been reading those propaganda pamphlets you got through the door hey ?

:rolleyes:

m8 50 years ago lol

The average white teenager in 1959 is a far cry from today's youth instead of buying bottles of pop and going to the flicks on a sat night today its all about nicking a car buying some crack and drinking bottles of white lightening.

Devvo 10 MINUTES! (VERY FUNNY) - YouTube

[paradise_1000]

To the OP that seems a load of bollocks


Mind you we are a fighting nation love a drink and as someone said a good old tear up ;)

oi fooking oi

(been up beating the missus and drinking white lightening )

[thewayitis]

Its all the imported criminals, what on earth would you expect.

Over 50% of the murders in London are commited by non UK citizens
60% of robberies in London committed by blacks, 30% of country as a whole
10% of Prison inmates are Muslim, more than twice their presence in the population
30% of prisoners are non whites, 3 times their presence in the population.
Hundreds of english girls 10-15 years old sexually abused by Pakisatani Men aged 18-50
Murderers, rapists wanted for trial in countries all over the world and the Gov won't send them back for trial.

No immigration equals low crime just like it was 50 years ago.

I tell you something that you might find interesting.
I have a lot of Spanish friends (European citizens, yes) working in the UK.
They are good people, good workers, educated people that went to university (some are engineers, or work with computers, or are in the UK to work for a while and improve their English for some months)

Well, you might find interesting that most of them (even young girls) have suffered either physical or verbal racist attacks in the UK. Things like "f. immigrant go home" and provocations like this, even physical violence in the streets.

Is this what you want? hatred?
Violence and hate are blind and deaf.

[skunksmash]

you trying to mug me off?

who the fuck are you calling violent, i ought to come over there and open you up..

slag

;)

LMAO..... its like im home again :p





:)SK

[octopusrex]

The most violent country in Europe, South Africa, and the USA?

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it is revealed today.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-015B644E00001005-992_468x309.jpg

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

* The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
* It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
* The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
* It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

Source Here (http://www.reseaumondial.org/forum/index.php/topic,138.0.html)

Yes any excuses, to introduce more laws and regulations.

HQ of the Pirates of the Caribbean what do you expect?:D

[adbasque]

where do you get your figures from?


it is all besides the point, all people of all races are stuck in this same mess we call society together, ethnic minorties are not the problem, it is the u.k corporation and all the other corporate governments that are the problem

You want to know where he gets his figures from, easy
from the BNP website.
what do you expect from a BNP supporter?

[adbasque]

I tell you something that you might find interesting.
I have a lot of Spanish friends (European citizens, yes) working in the UK.
They are good people, good workers, educated people that went to university (some are engineers, or work with computers, or are in the UK to work for a while and improve their English for some months)

Well, you might find interesting that most of them (even young girls) have suffered either physical or verbal racist attacks in the UK. Things like "f. immigrant go home" and provocations like this, even physical violence in the streets.

Is this what you want? hatred?
Violence and hate are blind and deaf.

That is exactly what they want, the bnp supporters are swarming this forum.
They can't see how many blacks died, how many foreigner were killed, how many Asians were killed and how many white folks were killed, they don't see that we are all in this mess thanks to our F** government, and yet they want to bring in their BNP.
which will make things even worse.

Their idea of solving problems is to kick everyone out of this country, especially the black, muslims and asian folks.
regardless if they were born here and lived all their lives here, paid their taxes, went to school, worked, contributed to society, that's irrelevant to them, let's just kick them out because we hate anyone who doesn't look like us.

[guzla]

To deny that it´s an imported problem is to deny the problem itself!
To say its only an imported problem is to deny the problem itself!

You have to understand where this comes from, let me give my views:

Some countries in the east undermine women and push them down by not giving them the same rights as men have (driving cars, go and se a game of football etc etc, in fact even the EU countries look down at women by not giving them equal salary)
they even have a saying that on the shoulder of a woman sits a devil that makes men give in to temptation, of course we can laugh about it here but in some countries this is bloody serious, and they say that if the husband want to have sex it´s never rape(i believe it´s even in the law book in some countries)
Now, if you grew up by those terms you will see the world through those terms,
it´s their operating system (I'm not saying everyone of them are rapists, in fact a small % are),but just because you move from one of those places to EU doesnt mean you stop having your old operating system this is the circumstance they are caught in.
A fact is that gang rape in Sweden often is committed by non EU born, period!
Maby it´s why they came here in the first place, they where unwanted backhome so they ship them overhere? just as Cuba did when they forced criminals on fishingboats to the U.S.
It´s not only by political resons and better standards of living people become "refuges"
Catholic priest´s also tends to rape more than others specially young boys, but thats another story of operating system/mind control.

If you confuse this by saying it´s racism or uncomfortable talking about or pointing it out then let me enlighten you :

Sam is a rapist and a womenbeater, he had 3 sons he gave one up for adoption he kept his two sons and he´s violent behaviour passed on to them, he´s adopted son grew up just 10 miles from him in a loving family who did not believe in violence nor that women where of less value...

Cruel, cruel conception

To educate a woman is like putting a knife in the hands of a monkey
-hindu proverb -

Everything comes from God, except the woman
-Italian proverb -

Eighteen godlike daughters can not be measured with a humpback son.
-Chinese proverb -

I thank you, God, that you did not create me to the heathen ... or a slave ... or woman
-Jew-orthodox matins -

what I'm trying to say is that all humans have the same potentials it does not matter where you come from, but to deny is never right...right`?

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Peace and Love Folks /GuZz

[thewayitis]

To deny that it´s an imported problem is to deny the problem itself!

A fact is that gang rape in Sweden often is committed by non EU born, period!



Where are the official statistics where they say rapes are committed by Non EU born? Can you show me this statistic?

According to other statistics, the rapists are "ordinary" Swedish men, normally closed to the victim.

Maybe you should find the causes of rape in the Swedish night life and hugh consume of alcohol as a part of the Swedish "culture".

Yes ALCOHOL. Alcohol is destroying lifes in Sweden, not immigrants. Alcohol has been (it is) a very serious problem for people in Sweden.

http://www.thelocal.se/19124/20090428/
http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/

[thewayitis]

Other question, the only responsible for the high amounts of immigrants (mainly refugees) in Sweden is the Swedish government, not the citizens or the immigrants.

Sweden accepts most war refugees than any other country in the world, without thinking about providing a future for these people or without thinking in a real integration(job, första, of course, no job, no integration, that's the way it is).

The only thing that the government cares about is MONEY. For every refugee, they receive money from organisms like United Nations and so on.
So blame on the polititians, not on the immigrants.

Polititians are the only responsible for this situation.

[cornilouse]

For every refugee, they receive money from organisms like United Nations and so on.
So blame on the polititians, not on the immigrants.


although i do blame tptb for nearly all our problems, where is the proof for what you say?

[adbasque]

To deny that it´s an imported problem is to deny the problem itself!
To say its only an imported problem is to deny the problem itself!

You have to understand where this comes from, let me give my views:

Some countries in the east undermine women and push them down by not giving them the same rights as men have (driving cars, go and se a game of football etc etc, in fact even the EU countries look down at women by not giving them equal salary)


Excuse me if I don't understand the link between this and the immigration with the main topic, UK is one of the most violent countries in the EU?
Yes women are treated as second citizens in most countries including the western countries, do you have any idea how many women are beaten everyday in the west? domestic violence, alcohol and drug related?


they even have a saying that on the shoulder of a woman sits a devil that makes men give in to temptation, of course we can laugh about it here but in some countries this is bloody serious, and they say that if the husband want to have sex it´s never rape(i believe it´s even in the law book in some countries)
It happens everywhere, believe me even in those countries if a woman complains to the authorities he'll get arrested, I have seen it with my own eyes.


Now, if you grew up by those terms you will see the world through those terms,
it´s their operating system (I'm not saying everyone of them are rapists, in fact a small % are),but just because you move from one of those places to EU doesnt mean you stop having your old operating system this is the circumstance they are caught in.

Believe me most rapist we've seen so far were westners can you name me one known immigrant rapist? I can name you many British (White English) rapists, Americans, French, Belgians, Italians, etc...
Name me one foreigner who was a rapist, I am not saying they don't exist, but they are extremely rare.

I am sorry but you seem to label and blame the immigrants for almost everything.
it's about time my dear to realise there aren't all good people on one side and bad on the other.

A fact is that gang rape in Sweden often is committed by non EU born, period!
Maby it´s why they came here in the first place, they where unwanted backhome so they ship them overhere? just as Cuba did when they forced criminals on fishingboats to the U.S.

Sorry again these are racists comments, maybe you don't realise what you're saying but they are racist.

It´s not only by political resons and better standards of living people become "refuges"
Each person has their own personal reasons of being here.

Catholic priest´s also tends to rape more than others specially young boys, but thats another story of operating system/mind control.
is this your idea of balancing the scale? as if to say well we have bad people too, no, in fact because you don't like religion, so you're quite happy to add them to the "baddies", yes we know there are some priests who raped and molested children, didn't we have doctors raped women and children, didn't we have teachers molested and raped children? No, you ignore those.

you see how conditioned you are? you think you are thinking for yourself while in reality, only what was fed to you by the media.


If you confuse this by saying it´s racism or uncomfortable talking about or pointing it out then let me enlighten you :

Yes when it's not measured and irrational arguments, it can only be received as a racist comment.


Sam is a rapist and a womenbeater, he had 3 sons he gave one up for adoption he kept his two sons and he´s violent behaviour passed on to them, he´s adopted son grew up just 10 miles from him in a loving family who did not believe in violence nor that women where of less value...

Cruel, cruel conception

Sorry what's your point here if you don't mind?



To educate a woman is like putting a knife in the hands of a monkey
-hindu proverb -

Everything comes from God, except the woman
-Italian proverb -

Eighteen godlike daughters can not be measured with a humpback son.
-Chinese proverb -

I thank you, God, that you did not create me to the heathen ... or a slave ... or woman
-Jew-orthodox matins -

These are by large things of the past nobody believes these things anymore, and your whole comment seem to be based on "female" agenda here.
the problem is not about feminism.


what I'm trying to say is that all humans have the same potentials it does not matter where you come from, but to deny is never right...right`?
Agreed unless it's rationally put with strong evidence and real statistics.


Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Peace and Love Folks /GuZz

I believe you're wrong about the way you're looking at the problem, not the idea behind it.
You had some good points but I think you're generalising a little and you seem to take a radical approach too in certain areas of your argument.
Peace :)

[guzla]

Where are the official statistics where they say rapes are committed by Non EU born? Can you show me this statistic?

According to other statistics, the rapists are "ordinary" Swedish men, normally closed to the victim.

Maybe you should find the causes of rape in the Swedish night life and hugh consume of alcohol as a part of the Swedish "culture".

Yes ALCOHOL. Alcohol is destroying lifes in Sweden, not immigrants. Alcohol has been (it is) a very serious problem for people in Sweden.

http://www.thelocal.se/19124/20090428/
http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/

Hi there, you are right, most rapes are done by Swedish men according to official account´s. Maby i was unclear,i meant % wise , i can only guess how many hidden cases there are,
And i was talking about gangrape not rape, and according to BRÅ(Crime Prevention Council):

"Approximately 60 percent of perpetrators are Swedes
Of the persons who were suspected of group rape in the 1990s was 58 percent of Swedes,
32 percent of immigrants (foreign born and registered in Sweden) and 10 percent of persons
was not registered in Sweden. Of the Swedes had fourth immigrant background (at least one
parent foreign born)."

"Immigrants account for almost 20 percent of all notified crimes in the country. Half of them are committed by
Nordic immigrants. Although the percentage is not high, it still an over-representation, because
immigrants constitute about 11 percent of the population. Breaking The percentage varies depending
on the type of crime involved. Previous studies have shown that rape is
crimes where the immigrant share is highest, about 40 percent."

http://www.bra.se/extra/measurepoint/?module_instance=4&name=0108074996.pdf&url=/dynamaster/file_archive/050126/d694c96c3768ea4ae796823a25b1b274/0108074996.pdf

and your own source:

"Immigrants were also three times more likely to be investigated for assault and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes."

"Among foreigners suspected of offences, those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented."

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2683&date=20051214


Yes maby it´s eyeballing but, im looking at facts and truth even if they are negative

:) i Love you /GuZz

[fekdemasons]

At least we lead the world in something !!

[guzla]

Other question, the only responsible for the high amounts of immigrants (mainly refugees) in Sweden is the Swedish government, not the citizens or the immigrants.

Sweden accepts most war refugees than any other country in the world, without thinking about providing a future for these people or without thinking in a real integration(job, första, of course, no job, no integration, that's the way it is).

The only thing that the government cares about is MONEY. For every refugee, they receive money from organisms like United Nations and so on.
So blame on the polititians, not on the immigrants.

Polititians are the only responsible for this situation.

Hi again.

you have source on the UN money?

We need to help all people fast, and direct from emidiete death!
even if the Illuminati is running the world an all the other shite.

Politicians took in alot of war refugees, the had more balls than most :)
but then society didnt accept them fully, thats how i see it and live it, there where a dark coat of Xenophobia but i think its starting to go away with the younger generation, i hope they are free from hate, the only enemy is fear


We need to Love and to accept eachother. :)

[adbasque]

Hi again.

you have source on the UN money?

We need to help all people fast, and direct from emidiete death!
even if the Illuminati is running the world an all the other shite.

Politicians took in alot of war refugees, the had more balls than most :)
but then society didnt accept them fully, thats how i see it and live it, there where a dark coat of Xenophobia but i think its starting to go away with the younger generation, i hope they are free from hate, the only enemy is fear


We need to Love and to accept eachother. :)

These are truly nice words :)
Peace & Love

[guzla]

Believe me most rapist we've seen so far were westners can you name me one known immigrant rapist? I can name you many British (White English) rapists, Americans, French, Belgians, Italians, etc...
Name me one foreigner who was a rapist, I am not saying they don't exist, but they are extremely rare.

Im sorry i was of topic, and i was thingking about bendoon thoughts, I can point out several but what good will that do?

Im not a racist thats just ludacriz, im just saying yes forenerce commit
crimes,all people commit crime!

What i was trying to say is if you grew up under certain elements based on fear you will easier take a wrong turn in life no matter if you are black or white... Christian Muslim Jew... (omg Mainstream) Lol

Im just to tierd to write anymore, peace out NN

[adbasque]

Believe me most rapist we've seen so far were westners can you name me one known immigrant rapist? I can name you many British (White English) rapists, Americans, French, Belgians, Italians, etc...
Name me one foreigner who was a rapist, I am not saying they don't exist, but they are extremely rare.

Im sorry i was of topic, and i was thingking about bendoon thoughts, I can point out several but what good will that do?

Im not a racist thats just ludacriz, im just saying yes forenerce commit
crimes,all people commit crime!

What i was trying to say is if you grew up under certain elements based on fear you will easier take a wrong turn in life no matter if you are black or white... Christian Muslim Jew... (omg Mainstream) Lol

Im just to tierd to write anymore, peace out NN

Yes I understand what you're saying, yes your entourage will have a huge influence on your life, but some people can pull themselves and see the world from a different point of view or a different angle.

To be honest I am tired too lol :D
I need to take time off loll
Peace :)

[bendoon]

Believe me most rapist we've seen so far were westners

Look through the websites of local papers, you will find thousands of black and asian rapists, they do not put it on the MSM too much since they don't want you to know whats going on. In the US 350,000 white women are raped by black men each year, less than 10 black women are raped by white men.

African Carer admits Vile Sex Attack on Pensioner, 76

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8128468.stm

Leicester: Muslim Man Rapes Virgin Girl aged 13

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Man-23-denies-raped-girl-aged-13/article-1126211-detail/article.html

Illegal immigrant deported for sex attacks returned to UK with false passport to continue terrorising women

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197115/Illegal-immigrant-deported-sex-attacks-returned-UK-false-passport-continue-terrorising-women.html


I could go on and on and on and fill the whole forum up and some of you would still not believe. In another 10 years time and another 10 million immigrants crime will be so bad that everyone will know someone personally who has been raped or murdered by one and you will still deny reality.

[deca]

Britain is 'surveillance society'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6108496.stm
There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people.

nice to see all these cameras having an effect:rolleyes:

hmm think we need a cam on every one and a RFID thats the way to go!!!!!

[adbasque]

I could go on and on and on and fill the whole forum up and some of you would still not believe. In another 10 years time and another 10 million immigrants crime will be so bad that everyone will know someone personally who has been raped or murdered by one and you will still deny reality.

Yeah the MSM don't want you to know about it, thisisleicestershire is not msm?

I am sure you can go on and on, that's your job, one incident I can fill out forums not just this one with the number of WHITE rapists.

I guess it's ok for those, hein?

1 perhaps in a million, and they haven't proved it's his word against hers.
and yes some girls look a lot older than they really are.
Wow his name is Mohamed that's it all immigrants and muslims are rapist how pathetic is your argument?

But it won't surprise me coming from a bnp, what do you expect.
I can post pages and pages of white men raping their own daughters, raping little girls, absolutely pages.

How many immigrants can you find as rapist in comparison to white men?
not to mention the rapes and murders, they rape them and kill them.

Go somewhere else and spread your hatred this is NOT a bnp forum.

[adbasque]

Britain is 'surveillance society'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6108496.stm


nice to see all these cameras having an effect:rolleyes:

hmm think we need a cam on every one and a RFID thats the way to go!!!!!

That's exactly what they want, but not before the BNP are elected lol

[thewayitis]

Hi again.

you have source on the UN money?

We need to help all people fast, and direct from emidiete death!
even if the Illuminati is running the world an all the other shite.

Politicians took in alot of war refugees, the had more balls than most :)
but then society didnt accept them fully, thats how i see it and live it, there where a dark coat of Xenophobia but i think its starting to go away with the younger generation, i hope they are free from hate, the only enemy is fear


We need to Love and to accept eachother. :)


About the sources, you just need to go the UN web and read what they do for refugees. They receive private donations and give also money to the countries that decide to accept refugees.
Do you think that countries accept refugees just because they are good samaritans?:) I don't think so.
In Sweden the population is only about 9 million, and it's mainly an aged population. So goverment thinks, yes, this is a good idea to increase the population, to bring more immigrants!. The problem is that there are no jobs, so this immigrant population just stay at home and wait for better times. War refugees stay on the country, cause better stay on Europe that on their countries right? Other immigrants just simply leave the country. At the same time, the hate agains them grow...yes, they took our jobs (yes, remember this south park episode:) what jobs? there are no jobs! for anybody!
And the problem is, again...the economy. Who created the problem? yes, the government.

Being an immigrant makes you automatically a good person? no, at the same time that being a citizen of the country doesn't make you the best of the persons. It's about persons, not nationality! It's about education.

But, if you live in a country where citizens reject you, just because your colour of skin, your religion, they blame on you for the situation of the economy, they spit on you, they discriminate you...do you think you are going to grow being happy? you will end up educating your children, this second generation of immigrants, in hate! And at the end, you become more intolerant with the others, you don't want to integrate in the new society and you are more extreme with your religious traditions (and maybe in your country you weren't so religious). "It's them against me, they don't like me, so lets be only with my people!"

Anybody here is more than 36 y.o? Cause I don't remember better times. When you grow in an area that is poor, there are rapes, there are problems with alcohol, there is crime. And in the past, there were no immigrants in my area, and we had the same problems! It's about poverty and education, exclusion, not race or nationality!

[bradstone]

That's exactly what they want, but not before the BNP are elected lol

Adbasque, you're at it again. You have no evidence that the BNP are part of/working for the existing political establishment. They are doing everything they can to discredit or attack them.

You are making things up.

It seems you have your own agenda of wanting to see Islam dominate in Britain. It would make perfect sense for Muslims and nationalists to work together to tackle the root of problems with corruption here, but that is not enough for you, which just indicates that you want to replace the current establishment with a new Muslim one. Give up - it won't happen.

[bradstone]

I can post pages and pages of white men raping their own daughters, raping little girls, absolutely pages.

You'll be looking to take it as a global problem then? The countries with greatest child abuse problems are India and Pakistan, together with most of the African countries.

Disgusting propaganda that English men are somehow 'likely' to rape little girls. You may as well be working for the establishment yourself. Exactly the kind of BS they come up with.

[adbasque]

You'll be looking to take it as a global problem then? The countries with greatest child abuse problems are India and Pakistan, together with most of the African countries.

Disgusting propaganda that English men are somehow 'likely' to rape little girls. You may as well be working for the establishment yourself. Exactly the kind of BS they come up with.

In Britain where I live I see it everyday, white man yes rape all the time, if there's any Bullshit is from you lot, trying to BS us with.

This is not a propaganda, how ridiculous you sound, do you realise, what English men are all angels?? go and get a life then.

Oh yes typical racist bnp comments, India and Pakistan yeah right.
get a real life and stop the BS

[adbasque]

Adbasque, you're at it again. You have no evidence that the BNP are part of/working for the existing political establishment. They are doing everything they can to discredit or attack them.

You are making things up.

It seems you have your own agenda of wanting to see Islam dominate in Britain. It would make perfect sense for Muslims and nationalists to work together to tackle the root of problems with corruption here, but that is not enough for you, which just indicates that you want to replace the current establishment with a new Muslim one. Give up - it won't happen.

The BNP is for the Illuminati, all I have to look at their history, their policies, especially their leaflets.
BNP IS A RACIST PARTY, FASCIST, PRO NWO.
now if you don't like it, guess what? tough, I am passed being cool and try to debate with trolls from the BNP everyone knows what the BNP stands for and this thread is not about the BNP.

[adbasque]

bradstone



It seems you have your own agenda of wanting to see Islam dominate in Britain. It would make perfect sense for Muslims and nationalists to work together to tackle the root of problems with corruption here, but that is not enough for you, which just indicates that you want to replace the current establishment with a new Muslim one. Give up - it won't happen.

Typical bnp trollism, when you run out of arguments, pull the Islam card to further your hate.

Listen and listen very carefully, 99% of the British population are NOT Muslims, there probably 5% of Muslims in this country if that.

let's take the 94% others who are AGAINST the BNP, what have you got to say about that?
Don't pull the Islam card on me, but coming from a bnp supporter(troll) it doesn't surprise me at all.

Now enough with the bnp, stick to the topic if you can thank you

[adbasque]

Everytime there's a good thread there are bnp trolls poping up and hijack the thread to their advantage, people do not want your party get lost!!!

[whitenight639]

Look through the websites of local papers, you will find thousands of black and asian rapists, they do not put it on the MSM too much since they don't want you to know whats going on. In the US 350,000 white women are raped by black men each year, less than 10 black women are raped by white men.

African Carer admits Vile Sex Attack on Pensioner, 76

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8128468.stm

Leicester: Muslim Man Rapes Virgin Girl aged 13

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Man-23-denies-raped-girl-aged-13/article-1126211-detail/article.html

Illegal immigrant deported for sex attacks returned to UK with false passport to continue terrorising women

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197115/Illegal-immigrant-deported-sex-attacks-returned-UK-false-passport-continue-terrorising-women.html


I could go on and on and on and fill the whole forum up and some of you would still not believe. In another 10 years time and another 10 million immigrants crime will be so bad that everyone will know someone personally who has been raped or murdered by one and you will still deny reality.

screw you and your BNP propaganda,

go on put me on redwatch ill give you my home address im really up for kicking in some neo nazi fucks right now.


Do you not see there are reasons why maybe some of your satistics may be right, police are far more likely to stop and search people who arn't white and probably more likely to prosecute non whites on rape charges i imagine, there is also the fact that immigrants are let in the UK when they cant speak much english and are piss poor meaning they are let to crime to make money as they dont understand the system,

and yes some muslims may be of the mindset that women are lesser biengs and are supposed to giv it up whenever there horny, but remember this, everybody knows whats right from wrong, its build it.

THERES ONLY ONE RACE AND ITS THE HUMAN RACE.

[drhemp]

Please can we stick on topic, there's a thread in the rant room if you want to discuss the BNP and their racist policies.

[adbasque]

Please can we stick on topic, there's a thread in the rant room if you want to discuss the BNP and their racist policies.

I started this thread to discuss the exageration of the media about crime in this country, is the worst in EU etc..
and suddenly you get the BNP trolls trying again to hijack the thread, I am sorry but it' true, the topic had nothing whatsoever to do with the fleeping bnp, but they always manage to bring in their racists views into any topic.

[rydeon]

Believe me most rapist we've seen so far were westners can you name me one known immigrant rapist? I can name you many British (White English) rapists, Americans, French, Belgians, Italians, etc...
Name me one foreigner who was a rapist, I am not saying they don't exist, but they are extremely rare.

Im sorry i was of topic, and i was thingking about bendoon thoughts, I can point out several but what good will that do?

Im not a racist thats just ludacriz, im just saying yes forenerce commit
crimes,all people commit crime!

What i was trying to say is if you grew up under certain elements based on fear you will easier take a wrong turn in life no matter if you are black or white... Christian Muslim Jew... (omg Mainstream) Lol

Im just to tierd to write anymore, peace out NN

Well recalling the crimewatch programs I used to watch the violent crime, rapes and frauds included Brits and foreigners on a roughly 40/50 split AFAIR.

Now if you take the demographics into account that means it's a higher percentage for foreigners. However it was more the fraud and con-artist crimes the Brits and foreigners trended towards on it.
For armed robbery this was usually brits.
For gang rapes were shown to be foreigners or a predatory white or darker skinned guy mostly.

What does this all mean right now?
Probably nothing, but it's what I recall from watching crimewatch :)

Britain can be considered a 'violent' but 'brave' place inherently. Our history proves this going back to olden times.

This tended to be channeled into useful things:
Heavy Industry, hard-working jobs, activities, soldiering and so on.

Now however we've got the Health and Safety Act emaciating any free-spirit in the work place. Break-down of the family unit, lack of jobs due to them being exported and privatised and of course the spectre of recession with hand-outs encouraging people not to work.
Is it any surprise our out of control young people are turning to the drink and drugs with violent crime being a by-product?

[adbasque]

Well recalling the crimewatch programs I used to watch the violent crime, rapes and frauds included Brits and foreigners on a roughly 40/50 split AFAIR.

Now if you take the demographics into account that means it's a higher percentage for foreigners. However it was more the fraud and con-artist crimes the Brits and foreigners trended towards on it.
For armed robbery this was usually brits.
For gang rapes were shown to be foreigners or a predatory white or darker skinned guy mostly.

What does this all mean right now?
Probably nothing, but it's what I recall from watching crimewatch :)

Britain can be considered a 'violent' but 'brave' place inherently. Our history proves this going back to olden times.

This tended to be channeled into useful things:
Heavy Industry, hard-working jobs, activities, soldiering and so on.

Now however we've got the Health and Safety Act emaciating any free-spirit in the work place. Break-down of the family unit, lack of jobs due to them being exported and privatised and of course the spectre of recession with hand-outs encouraging people not to work.
Is it any surprise our out of control young people are turning to the drink and drugs with violent crime being a by-product?

Yes there is crime, nobody is denying it, also it's a calculated crime by the nwo they have their agenda, as you said break families what you get? chaos and disorder in society.
We got to the point if you try and discipline a child you can be arrested, at school a teacher can't discipline them, they are dumbing down our society and all the generations to come.

Because they don't want a healthy society, if our society is healthy, then they won't have excuses in introducing new regulations and new laws.

And people can't see this??
They are destroying us from the inside!! wake up..Britain

[lightgiver]

Yes there is crime, nobody is denying it, also it's a calculated crime by the nwo they have their agenda, as you said break families what you get? chaos and disorder in society.
We got to the point if you try and discipline a child you can be arrested, at school a teacher can't discipline them, they are dumbing down our society and all the generations to come.

Because they don't want a healthy society, if our society is healthy, then they won't have excuses in introducing new regulations and new laws.

And people can't see this??
They are destroying us from the inside!! wake up..Britain

That as been TPTB plan all along,to destroy from within,maybe it will backfire.

Its just the majority cannot or do not want to see.

[jesuitsdidit]

op






The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it is revealed today.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour



The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

* The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
* It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
* The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
* It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.'

The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available.

But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.

In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.

But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'

The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials.

In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.

He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos.

Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.

[kanz]

Excuse me if I don't understand the link between this and the immigration with the main topic, UK is one of the most violent countries in the EU?
Yes women are treated as second citizens in most countries including the western countries, do you have any idea how many women are beaten everyday in the west? domestic violence, alcohol and drug related?


It happens everywhere, believe me even in those countries if a woman complains to the authorities he'll get arrested, I have seen it with my own eyes.



Believe me most rapist we've seen so far were westners can you name me one known immigrant rapist? I can name you many British (White English) rapists, Americans, French, Belgians, Italians, etc...
Name me one foreigner who was a rapist, I am not saying they don't exist, but they are extremely rare.

I am sorry but you seem to label and blame the immigrants for almost everything.
it's about time my dear to realise there aren't all good people on one side and bad on the other.


Sorry again these are racists comments, maybe you don't realise what you're saying but they are racist.

Each person has their own personal reasons of being here.

is this your idea of balancing the scale? as if to say well we have bad people too, no, in fact because you don't like religion, so you're quite happy to add them to the "baddies", yes we know there are some priests who raped and molested children, didn't we have doctors raped women and children, didn't we have teachers molested and raped children? No, you ignore those.

you see how conditioned you are? you think you are thinking for yourself while in reality, only what was fed to you by the media.



Yes when it's not measured and irrational arguments, it can only be received as a racist comment.



Sorry what's your point here if you don't mind?



These are by large things of the past nobody believes these things anymore, and your whole comment seem to be based on "female" agenda here.
the problem is not about feminism.


Agreed unless it's rationally put with strong evidence and real statistics.



I believe you're wrong about the way you're looking at the problem, not the idea behind it.
You had some good points but I think you're generalising a little and you seem to take a radical approach too in certain areas of your argument.
Peace :)

About nameing the immigrant rapist , no I can't actually give you any names, but what I can say is when ever ive heard about girl's being gang raped or what ever it's 19/20 from a place full of immigrant's. Not meaning to come across the wrong way but it is what it is.

Same with kid abductions , in the past 2 months ive been told of 3-4 attempt 's and these again where all immigrant's. Again not meaning to come across the wrong way it just is what it is.

[richmick]

I really don't get why , when someone points out a statistic, involving ethnic groups, the puritants start throwing words around like racist. I mean really, come on now, grow up. Step back, take a deep breath and ask yourself this question. The immigration 'problem' is created by the elite, yes. I think we can all agree with that. Now they have not created this 'problem' for our benefit have they now. Really, if you believe that, then explain to me what the benefits are. Now, immigrants come into a country like the uk, and are not used to our ways. Many come from countries that have wars and they have seen violence hopefully non of us will ever see. They become desensitized to the violence in many cases, and see it as an unfortunate part of their reality. Many, come from countries with attitudes that class woman as inferior. I watched a program on tv in which muslim men were discussing woman who dress inappropriately, according to their 'standards' and they all agreed that if a woman was raped, due to her dress sense being rather scant lets say, then it was her fault she was raped and not the males. These are facts, grow up, stop the name calling and insults, im tired of people calling out racist, just because someone states a fact, or at least trying to debate the facts they have.

The black youths from places in some violent African countries like somalia, again have seen things no one should see, and have a perception of reality that has been drummed into them from birth, that's hard to shift. Its part of their being, their minds have a programing about how woman fit into society, it's just who they are.

The black youths in the west are programed by the mindless violent lyrics of rappers, who use references about woman, my bitch (we all know a bitch is reference to a female dog), and as one honest guy said in another program i saw, most black youths who feel oppressed want to be gangsters, pointing out the western music industry breeds this desire into them, inflaming their feelings the white man being their enemy...

Do you remember a few years ago, the police had to stop releasing their statistics about muggings, as in showing the race of the muggers, because it was found to indicate black men were responsible for the majority of muggings. So the government wanted the race of the muggers to be deleted because it may cause racial tensions. We cannot hope to change this trend if the namby pamby repeaters keep calling anyone who discusses this a racist. It's just bloody silly.

If you are brought up in a society like the west, with all its faults maybe, you still learn to know whats right from wrong. You learn a certain degree of respect for each other, for each gender, for life. But if your from countries that have a different set of beliefs and life lessons, your going to be different, your going to have different values. And until we sort out the dictators in these countries, and do away with poverty, that creates these mind set, to do away with religious fanatics that looks down on others who are non believers, to bring a stable environment with good jobs and housing and true education, importing them into societies like ours is only going to cause problems, as the elite want. Why do you think they do it.

If i was born in an oppressed country like many of these people, id be the same. But you don;t solve this problem by bringing them here, because that creates conflict of opinions, resentment, fear, division etc. Which is what the elite want.

You resolve the problem by creating a society in their country, where people can flourish, where wars are a thing of the pat, where jobs are plenty and the pay is good. Where education is free and plenty available. We cannot take in the whole world on this tiny island, and if things continue, we will just end up with no identity. Then what do we have? We will become as broke and dis functional as these places people come from, the third world countries. So what's gained? Who are we? We just become a third world country with no real identity and no cohesion because we are all divided and suspicious of each other. This is where we are heading and it's great for the elite, but not so great for us. Prattle on about being so pure by all means, but your missing the bigger picture. Your kids, your kids kids, will have to live in this 'utopian society', but something tells me they are not going to find it as pleasurable as we have, living in a country with identity and some semblance of community and values.

[adbasque]

About nameing the immigrant rapist , no I can't actually give you any names, but what I can say is when ever ive heard about girl's being gang raped or what ever it's 19/20 from a place full of immigrant's. Not meaning to come across the wrong way but it is what it is.

Same with kid abductions , in the past 2 months ive been told of 3-4 attempt 's and these again where all immigrant's. Again not meaning to come across the wrong way it just is what it is.

I am not saying the immigrants aren't criminals, but some people here are quite happy to put all the blame on immigrants and these people are usually BNP trolls,

Child killer Colin Pitchfork can appeal his sentence

Dec 19 2008 by Ian Gallagher

THE world’s first man to be convicted for murder on DNA evidence has been told he can appeal against his 30-year prison term.

Colin Pitchfork, formerly of Newbold Verdon, was convicted of the rape and murder of two 15-year-old schoolgirls in 1988 and jailed for life.

In August this year a High Court judge set his sentence at 30 years on review, but Pitchfork’s lawyers argued this should be cut to about 20 years, which he has already served.

http://www.hinckleytimes.net/news-in-hinckley/local-news/hinckley-news/2008/12/19/child-killer-colin-pitchfork-can-appeal-his-sentence-105367-22513134/

On crime watch 80% of crime are committed by British, white and black some Asians too.
the immigrants who are rapist here are usually illegal in this country, such as bulgarians, hunfarians, russians, etc.. etc...

Ian Huntley was identified as a serial rapist in a police intelligence report written three years before he murdered the Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, an inquiry was told yesterday.

A police constable who investigated Huntley for rape in July 1999 was so alarmed at his history of suspected sexual offences that he alerted intelligence staff.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1455421/Huntley-named-as-serial-rapist-in-1999.html

and there are many many more.
so to say the white english men don't rape it's all immigrants it's bull***

[whitenight639]

I really don't get why , when someone points out a statistic, involving ethnic groups, the puritants start throwing words around like racist. I mean really, come on now, grow up. Step back, take a deep breath and ask yourself this question. The immigration 'problem' is created by the elite, yes. I think we can all agree with that.


Yes but i think its less of a 'problem' than you probably.


Now they have not created this 'problem' for our benefit have they now. Really, if you believe that, then explain to me what the benefits are. Now, immigrants come into a country like the uk, and are not used to our ways. Many come from countries that have wars and they have seen violence hopefully non of us will ever see.
They become desensitized to the violence in many cases, and see it as an unfortunate part of their reality.

yes most immigrants that have experienced such things are refugees, they wouldn't flee if they were so desensitised and had grown accustomed to violence, most want nothing but to escape it.


Many, come from countries with attitudes that class woman as inferior. I watched a program on tv in which muslim men were discussing woman who dress inappropriately, according to their 'standards' and they all agreed that if a woman was raped, due to her dress sense being rather scant lets say, then it was her fault she was raped and not the males. These are facts, grow up, stop the name calling and insults, im tired of people calling out racist, just because someone states a fact, or at least trying to debate the facts they have.the Tv great source of info, seriously we had this debate in school, if a woman dresses like a slagg is it her fault she gets raped, you'd be suprised at the responces from non-muslims.


The black youths from places in some violent African countries like somalia, again have seen things no one should see, and have a perception of reality that has been drummed into them from birth, that's hard to shift. Its part of their being, their minds have a programing about how woman fit into society, it's just who they are.
yeh not denying theres sum heavy shit going down that humans shouldnt have to experience, so why arn't the police of the world aka USA sorting that out with there military might, and robert mugahbe etc, no we're on a crusade in the middle east where some troops take it upon themselfs to torture and rape innocent people.



The black youths in the west are programed by the mindless violent lyrics of rappers, who use references about woman, my bitch (we all know a bitch is reference to a female dog), and as one honest guy said in another program i saw, most black youths who feel oppressed want to be gangsters, pointing out the western music industry breeds this desire into them, inflaming their feelings the white man being their enemy...
I'm a fan of this so called 'mindless' rap music like immortal technique KRS one, wu-tang klan etc etc, wheres my BMW, AK-47 and cocain??





Do you remember a few years ago, the police had to stop releasing their statistics about muggings, as in showing the race of the muggers, because it was found to indicate black men were responsible for the majority of muggings. So the government wanted the race of the muggers to be deleted because it may cause racial tensions. We cannot hope to change this trend if the namby pamby repeaters keep calling anyone who discusses this a racist. It's just bloody silly.
I'd love to see a source for this.


If you are brought up in a society like the west, with all its faults maybe, you still learn to know whats right from wrong. You learn a certain degree of respect for each other, for each gender, for life. But if your from countries that have a different set of beliefs and life lessons, your going to be different, your going to have different values. And until we sort out the dictators in these countries, and do away with poverty, that creates these mind set, to do away with religious fanatics that looks down on others who are non believers, to bring a stable environment with good jobs and housing and true education, importing them into societies like ours is only going to cause problems, as the elite want. Why do you think they do it.
everybody knows right from wrong unless they have mental issues, even annimals seem to, i dont think its something you can teach people to a certain extent, even if you grew up in solatary confinement i think when released you know not to harm another.




If i was born in an oppressed country like many of these people, id be the same. But you don;t solve this problem by bringing them here, because that creates conflict of opinions, resentment, fear, division etc. Which is what the elite want.
well i dont see much fear and resentment, only people that are closed to new ideas, new people new culture, languages, food, dress, customes etc will end up divided and in fear why not unite and show the elite it aint working.


You resolve the problem by creating a society in their country, where people can flourish, where wars are a thing of the pat, where jobs are plenty and the pay is good. Where education is free and plenty available.
i like that, if it wasnt for the west contracting with these contries to harvest massive amounts of raw materials from them for little money then maybe change could happen. it would be great if there were very little immigration because everybody had a similar standard of living in there home countries. I'm not saying we dont have too many immigrants in the UK im saying we should be able to accept the situation and make it better, we need an immigration system like australias with a points system. and as for refugees they should be divided between every country in the world so every country has equal responsibility.

We cannot take in the whole world on this tiny island, and if things continue, we will just end up with no identity. Then what do we have?
so in 500yrs when were all brown, you think there will be no chip shops or no saint georges day?

We will become as broke and dis functional as these places people come from, the third world countries. So what's gained? Who are we? We just become a third world country with no real identity and no cohesion because we are all divided and suspicious of each other. This is where we are heading and it's great for the elite, but not so great for us. Prattle on about being so pure by all means, but your missing the bigger picture. Your kids, your kids kids, will have to live in this 'utopian society', but something tells me they are not going to find it as pleasurable as we have, living in a country with identity and some semblance of community and values.I think you the one bieng purist, The UK will not turn into a 3rd world country because of immigration, do you think immigrants can't learn our skills or are somehow more inept than us?

as for my kids and the 'utopian society' lol im damm sure your refering to race in that statement, i cant wait i wish i was born in the future when there will be no racism cos we'll all be the same colour. and a world without racism is one where theres one less thing to divide us over.

[adbasque]

I think you the one bieng purist, The UK will not turn into a 3rd world country because of immigration, do you think immigrants can't learn our skills or are somehow more inept than us?

as for my kids and the 'utopian society' lol im damm sure your refering to race in that statement, i cant wait i wish i was born in the future when there will be no racism cos we'll all be the same colour. and a world without racism is one where theres one less thing to divide us over.

Very nice and wise words indeed, Thank you :)

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.iamanenglishman.com/rogues_gallery.php

[decim]

Most Violent country in Europe?

More anti-British hatred & racism from the fifth column of usurpers & fomenters of social unrest.

[adbasque]

More anti-British hatred & racism from the fifth column of usurpers & fomenters of social unrest.

I didn't make the article, it was a scaremongering from the MSM, yes it's their way of letting EU control us.

Violence exist in every country, France for instance has violence

[bradstone]

lol thats funny.

So if Im one of the victims are you saying I should then believe your previous quote that......

I just stated a simple truth, violent crime is exploding all over western Europe due to immigration by Muslims and Africans. Countrys like Norway that have always had extremely low crime are now being plagued by violent rapes and gang rapes committed exclusively by North African immigrants.

Im more likely to think that Im the unlucky victim of a rare violent crime. End of.

That's convenient. Being passive means you don't have to offend anyone by doing anything tangible. Also means you're 'enlightened' by refusing to enter into a debate that involves racial discussions. Very noble of you.

Anyway, crime/aggression levels are higher in Britain than in other European countries. We can all see that the government may have their own agenda by pushing this fact in our faces. But the figures don't really lie.

I have travelled all over the EU and other countries feel a lot safer, and they are.

[bradstone]

as for my kids and the 'utopian society' lol im damm sure your refering to race in that statement, i cant wait i wish i was born in the future when there will be no racism cos we'll all be the same colour. and a world without racism is one where theres one less thing to divide us over.

Ridiculous. People mixing will not create a race of people the same colour. It'll be something like Brazil, with people of varying shades of brown, mostly easily controlled consumers.

[whitenight639]

Ridiculous. People mixing will not create a race of people the same colour. It'll be something like Brazil, with people of varying shades of brown, mostly easily controlled consumers.


obviously, genetics are strange and even a few generations down the line a predominantly black family can have a white child or visa versa, but i was talking about far ahead in the future if we havnt destroyed ourselfs or the planet that is.

what do you mean by easily controlled consumers?

[bradstone]

Well, look at places like NY, and LA, which are highly mixed and cosmopolitan. People have no identity. They walk around not knowing what the hell they are doing with their lives. They have predictable opinions. They are good consumers.

They don't actually know who they are.

This has nothing to do with hating anybody. It's not to say a Ugandan in Uganda doesn't know who he is. But if you took that same guy and brought him up in NY or LA, then you would just get a weird mix of consumerism and bland, pre-packaged opinions and pro-NWO beliefs (like high murder rates and crime rates being acceptable in a 'free' society).

This is what we're talking about. Mixing happens naturally over a period of time, but I don't see why it's necessary to promote it as enlightened.

[adbasque]

If people are moving is because they are looking for a better life for themselves and their families.

Here in the west we have a slightly better life, not because we are smarter than them, we are simply fortunate, that's all, but this soon goes unless we do something about the NWO.

If we help these people of getting a better life back home, they wouldn't bother coming here, but while we enjoy life here mostly of their resources, it's only natural they'll come here to live too.

If you want people to stay where they are, do something, get rid of your corrupt government, and put a good government that could take care of their corrupt government, and allow them to live a decent life and stop blaming them for everything that goes wrong in our country.

I cannot believe some comments, that black people are doing this and that, as if to say, if you're black you're bound to commit a crime than if you were white, what a loads of bullshit.

Maybe we see more blacks because more blacks are reported, maybe more blacks have been deprived of the good things for decades, or just maybe to stir a little bit of hatred.

How hypocritical, when someone wins an olympic gold medal they call him a British, when his brother robs a bank, he is a born Jamaican British robber.

I have heard it a million time.

Racism is not likely to disappear during our life time nor in the few generations to come, I believe we will always have racists, no matter what.

[pinkfreud]

this thread is being twisted into a race/immigration debate in parts.

please stick to the original thread topic and discuss/maintain your arguments without crossing the line.

anyone making comments that seem to be racial, discriminatory or inflammatory in nature will have either have their posts edited or be issued a warning.

and that goes for people on both sides of the argument.


please be civil :) thank you.

[whitenight639]

Maybe we see more blacks because more blacks are reported, maybe more blacks have been deprived of the good things for decades, or just maybe to stir a little bit of hatred.

How hypocritical, when someone wins an olympic gold medal they call him a British, when his brother robs a bank, he is a born Jamaican British robber.

I have heard it a million time.

Racism is not likely to disappear during our life time nor in the few generations to come, I believe we will always have racists, no matter what.

+1 :)


look i know this thread was origianally desinged to show how TPTB cause problem reaction solution to bring in draconian statutes (hmm remind you of nazi germany by any chance?) i get this, but some people seem to support the view that there stats are bang on and immigration not the media is the problem, ill admit we have an immigration problem, like ive said we need a fairer imigration system but we have a massive issue with immigration in the UK just as in the US in LA in particular, im not saying that all immigration is good and we should accept tens of millions of immigrant just because they think life is easier / better here, what im saying is we need to seperate the race issure from the immigration one, because like it or not in the future we will all be one race, yes i know to some of you it might be hard to understand, surely we should have purists that sont intermingle so that we can preserve each heritiage? - well no cos it will never work in the long term because were talking about sexual attraction and love and war and conquest so face it in 5000yrs we'll all be the same creed.

im not mod bashing but this is part of the debate i feel, cos (the mods) u guys do a great job you tip toe around hot subjects even when close to your heart you have to take on a balenced view its a challengineg experience bieng a mod, there probably more open minded than most as they have to decide where to draw the line which is often against popular oppinion.

[bendoon]

Just watch this video and tell me in all honesty that these people are capable of living in a civilised society.

This video was originally posted on youtube but has been removed for "terms of use violations", in other words political correctness.

http://podblanc.com/black-spring-break-crowd-rapes-women

[bendoon]

Immigrants commit 5 to 10 times pro rata as much violent crime as white Europeans, wether it be Spain, France, Britain or Norway.

Britain has the highest immigration rate in Europe, therefore it should be fairly obvious to anyone who is not totally blinded by MSM propaganda an political correctness that Britain would have the highest violent crime rate.

You do not need to be a genius or have a masters degree in statistics to work it out, just rid yourself of the MSM brainwashing.

[deca]

Britten has always been a violent nation and has violent history
if we are not fighting each other, then we we unite and bash some foe
obviously people have and agenda to make "immigrants" or other "ethical group" as the foe


If I could not support myself or my family I would move to somewhere I thought or could....

Its only in a few country's that that you get a state "handout" to help when you can`t.
how many people in the uk would move somewhere else if there was no dole?

[bendoon]

Britten has always been a violent nation and has violent history

60 years ago people could go on holiday for a week without locking their door.

[cornilouse]

60 years ago people could go on holiday for a week without locking their door.


thats bullshit

crime has always been around and will always be around
it seems whatever issue is raised these days, it is an excuse for nationalists to come out of their holes - Get back to your daily mail or the sun

DONT BELEIVE THE BULLSHIT





p.s i thought this topic was britain being a violent country not an immagration debate

[deca]

60 years ago people could go on holiday for a week without locking their door.

how would nick a mangle ?
http://www.hausgeraete-sondermann.de/images/mangel.jpg

60 years ago people din`t have TV`s,VCR`s,DVD players etc.....and whole load of valuables

[kingmonkey]

The only reason people used to leave thier doors open is they had f%^& all to nick!

Edit: Beat me to it Deca.

[curtaincat]

how would nick a mangle ?
http://www.hausgeraete-sondermann.de/images/mangel.jpg

60 years ago people din`t have TV`s,VCR`s,DVD players etc.....and whole load of valuables

that is so funny and true, we didnt even have a fridge , lol!! it is funny cos its true!

nothing worth nicking back then, lol!:D

[curtaincat]

this thread is being twisted into a race/immigration debate in parts.

please stick to the original thread topic and discuss/maintain your arguments without crossing the line.

anyone making comments that seem to be racial, discriminatory or inflammatory in nature will have either have their posts edited or be issued a warning.

and that goes for people on both sides of the argument.


please be civil :) thank you.

pink, good point, but your avatar being upsidedown is confusing, lol!

[adbasque]

Britten has always been a violent nation and has violent history
if we are not fighting each other, then we we unite and bash some foe
obviously people have and agenda to make "immigrants" or other "ethical group" as the foe


If I could not support myself or my family I would move to somewhere I thought or could....

Its only in a few country's that that you get a state "handout" to help when you can`t.
how many people in the uk would move somewhere else if there was no dole?

This thread was about violence in Britain, not about immigrants or blacks, the video he posted above explains his intentions very clearly, because those NY blacks, were Americans, has nothing to do with this thread, they were NOT immigrants, but for them immigrant means black, asian, etc... anyone who's not white.

And I urge people to keep this thread on track, it's about Violence in the UK

That includes every person who lives in Britain.
in that case we can start with the hooligans all over Europe and they are 90% white, everywhere they went they stired violence and fights.

So can we keep the race issue out of this thread please, or I will ask the Mods to close it.

Maybe that's what the BNP trolls want after all, every thread is poisoned with their racists views, I have had it with them now.

[lizzy]

Most Violent country in Europe?

me thinks this is told in a 'self fullfilling prophesy' mode.....it's perhaaps what tptb want.?

[bendoon]

it is an excuse for nationalists to come out of their holes - Get back to your daily mail or the sun

The Daily Mail and the Sun hate Nationalists even more than anyone on this forum does, which is saying something.






p.s i thought this topic was britain being a violent country not an immagration debate

The two matters are inextricably linked as I have proven, more immigrants = more crime.

[deca]

I wounder how much violence and crime is due to consumerism? after WWII and the adverts consequently telling us what we need or can`t live with out?

[bendoon]

how would nick a mangle ?
http://www.hausgeraete-sondermann.de/images/mangel.jpg

60 years ago people din`t have TV`s,VCR`s,DVD players etc.....and whole load of valuables

60 years ago a mangle cost more than a Fridge, Washing Machine,TV and a DVD player combined, allowing for inflation of course.

[deca]

bendoon you stck one under your arm and see how far you get?

[bendoon]

And I urge people to keep this thread on track, it's about Violence in the UK


So can we keep the race issue out of this thread please

.

So you want to talk about violence, but not the cause ?

Sounds like censorship to me.

That would be like talking about the invasion of Afghanistan and not allowing debate about who caused it and why.

[deca]

So you want to talk about violence, but not the cause ?

Sounds like censorship to me.

That would be like talking about the invasion of Afghanistan and not allowing debate about who caused it and why.


so violence and crime in this country started with the arrival of the first banana boat or slave ship then?

what about Robbin hood and his merry men?

your arguments are weak , full of prejudiced,ignorance and hate

[bendoon]

so violence and crime in this country started with the arrival of the first banana boat or slave ship then?



No, obviously not, but it has exploded exponentially since immigration started after WW2.

[cornilouse]

No, obviously not, but it has exploded exponentially since immigration started after WW2.

i think half of the problem is the quangos that produce these bullshit figures, we are pawns in a game we dont understand

[adbasque]

p.s i thought this topic was britain being a violent country not an immagration debate
You're right!!

That was the original idea but when you get bnp trolls, they always manage to derail threads to their advantage.

Let's keep the topic please, and try and see if we can come up with an idea how to send the bullshit back to the ptb.

[adbasque]

Most Violent country in Europe?

me thinks this is told in a 'self fullfilling prophesy' mode.....it's perhaaps what tptb want.?

Spot on Lizzy, that's exactly what they want.

[deca]

No, obviously not, but it has exploded exponentially since immigration started after WW2.

are you not adding to this increase by inciting hate and fear towards immigrants?

[adbasque]

60 years ago people could go on holiday for a week without locking their door.

That was the case in most countries in case you don't know it.
Not just our Britain, people used to let their doors open all night too, especially in hot countries, but it's no longer the case, does that mean because they have immigration too?

I am not talking about the western countries, what have you got to say about this?

Oh let me guess, "those" people it's normal they have violence because they are not westners right?

I can almost anticipate your answers.

[adbasque]

are you not adding to this increase by inciting hate and fear towards immigrants?

That's the idea, but we can ignore these comments and stick to the topic please :)

when they don't get no reply, either they join the discussion at hand or leave the thread.

[adbasque]

the only reason people used to leave thier doors open is they had f%^& all to nick!

Edit: Beat me to it deca.

:d lol

[deca]

I think its well know that crime and violence its linked to poverty and a breakdown of society.

[bendoon]

are you not adding to this increase by inciting hate and fear towards immigrants?

Did you copy and paste that from Peter Mandelsons notebook ?

Do you mean that you have to supress free speech for fear of upsetting someone ?

Before the 20th century no one had even any idea of the concept of Racism, it was just considered normal behaviour to look after your own tribe. Leon Trotsky is the first person recorded to use the word racism in literature, in the early days of the Soviet Union it was a capital offence to name Jews in the Communist Party in order to try and hide the fact that 90% of the leaders were Jews.

[deca]

There`s nothing wrong in being proud of were you come from, in fact you should share that and be proud that others want to join and be part of that or add there culture . Its when the pride gets subvert into hate towards others I think is wrong, or others what to force their culture onto you.

[kingmonkey]

Britain's always had high crime and immigration; it's down to it being a major "port country" and a warring nation. This doesn't mean crime is caused by immigrants. It just means the reasons are the same. It's the same reason we have high levels of drugs. Trade routes, international connections etc.

[bendoon]

Britain's always had high crime and immigration; .

Wrong, the numbers of immigrants before 1950 was so small as to be totally insignificant. Take for example the Huguenots who are always quoted by the NWO/multicultural lobby, 40,000 of them settled in Britain over a 10 year period, thats 4000 a year, today we have over 40,000 immigrants a month. Besides that the Huguenots came from Northern France which was at one point part of Britain and they were racially the same as the English and also the same Religion. The idea that we have "always had immigration" is absolute tosh and just MSM propaganda.

[kingmonkey]

Wrong, the numbers of immigrants before 1950 was so small as to be totally insignificant. Take for example the Huguenots who are always quoted by the NWO/multicultural lobby, 40,000 of them settled in Britain over a 10 year period, thats 4000 a year, today we have over 40,000 immigrants a month. Besides that the Huguenots came from Northern France which was at one point part of Britain and they were racially the same as the English and also the same Religion. The idea that we have "always had immigration" is absolute tosh and just MSM propaganda.


I didn't say we'd always had the same number. But we've always had immigration to some degree. I also said "high crime and immigration", not "high crime and high immigration"

Edit: Anyway, I'm not gonna argue coz I don't care.

[tb303]

I dunno about Europe, how about the whole bloody world:

Military history of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

18th Century
War of the Spanish Succession (1702–1713) - England and Scotland/Great Britain, Germany, Portugal and Holland v France and Spain
Queen Anne's War (1702–1713)
Jacobite Rebellions 1715-16; 1719; 1745-46) - Civil War
Clifton Moor Skirmish, near Penrith (1745) - most recent battle on English soil
Battle of Culloden (1746) - last battle in Great Britain
War of the Quadruple Alliance (1718–1720) - Great Britain, France, Austria and Holland v Italy and Spain
War of Jenkins' Ear (1739–1742) - Great Britain v Spain
War of the Austrian Succession (1742–1748) - Great Britain, Austria and Holland v France and Germany
King George's War (1744–1748)
Seven Years' War (1756–1763) - the first "world war"
French and Indian War (1754–1763) - Great Britain and Germany v Austria, France, Russia, Sweden, and Spain
Anglo-Cherokee War (1759–1763) - North America
Pontiac's Rebellion (1763–1766) - North America
First Anglo-Mysore War (1766–1769) - India
American War of Independence (1775–1783) - North America, civil war
First Anglo-Maratha War (1775–1782) - India
Fourth Anglo-Dutch War (1780–1784)
Second Anglo-Mysore War (1780–1784) - India
Third Anglo-Mysore War (1789–1792) - India

19th Century
French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802) - Great Britain, Austria, Spain, Russia, Germany v France
War of the First Coalition (1793–1797)
War of the Second Coalition (1798–1801)
Fourth Anglo-Mysore War (1798–1799) - India
Irish Rebellion (1798)
Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815) - United Kingdom, Prussia, Austria, Sweden, Spain, Portugal and Russia v France
South American War (1806–1807)
Anglo-Turkish War (1807–1809)
Anglo-Russian War (1807–1812)
Gunboat War (1807–1814)
Peninsular War (1808–1814)
Hundred Days (1815)
First Kandian War (1803–1804) - India
Second Anglo-Maratha War (1803–1805) - India
Vellore Mutiny (1806) - India
Anglo-Dutch Java War (1810–1811)
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Anglo-Nepalese War (1814–1816)
Second Kandian War (1815) - Sri Lanka
Third Anglo-Maratha War (1817–1818) - India
First Anglo-Burmese War (1823–1826)
Upper Canada Rebellion (1837)
Lower Canada Rebellion (1837)
First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–1842)
Battle of Ghazni
First Opium War (1839–1842) - United Kingdom v China
First Anglo-Sikh War (1845–1846) - India
New Zealand Wars (1845–1872)
Second Anglo-Sikh War (1848–1849) - India
Second Anglo-Burmese War (1852)
Crimean War (1854–1856) - United Kingdom, France, Turkey, and Piedmont-Sardinia v Russia
Second Opium War (1856–1860) - United Kingdom and France v China
Anglo-Persian War (1856–1857) - United Kingdom and Persia
Indian Rebellion (1857)
Pig War (1859) - United Kingdom v USA
Anglo-Bhutanese War (1865)
Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878-1880)
Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
First Boer War (1880–1881)
Gun War (1880–1881)
Mahdist War (1881–1899)
Third Anglo-Burmese War (1885–1887)
Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)
Second Boer War (1899–1902)

20th Century
Boxer Rebellion (1900) - United Kingdom, Austria-Hungary, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, USA, and China
Anglo-Aro war (1901-1902) - Nigeria
World War I (1914–1918) - United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Serbia, Italy, Russia, United States, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and Turkey
Easter Rising (1916) - Ireland
Russian Civil War (1918–1922)
Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)
Anglo-Irish War (1919–1921)
World War II (1939–1945) see Military history of the United Kingdom during World War II
The Pacific War (1937–1945)
Anglo-Iraqi War (1941)
Greek Civil War (1941–1949)
Malayan Emergency (1948–1960)
Korean War (1950–1953)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–1960)
Cyprus Emergency (1955–1959)
Suez Crisis (1956)
Brunei Revolt (1962)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962-1975)
Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1962–1966)
Aden Emergency (1963–1967)
Northern Ireland Troubles (1969-mid 1990s)
Cod War Confrontation (1975–1976)
Falklands War (1982)
The First Gulf War (1990–1991)
The Bosnian War (1995–1996)
The Kosovo War (1999)
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)

21st century
The Global War on Terror (2001-2009)
The Afghanistan War (2001–Present)
Iraq War and Iraqi insurgency (2003–Present)



Oh sorry, some of you want to get caught up in government propaganda wars...carry on.

[adbasque]

Can we please people stick to the topic and forget about race and immigration, yes we have a little immigration problem, the uncontrolled entry, but this thread is dealing with Violence in our country.

[kingmonkey]

The main reason for violence these days is drugs.

edit: And booze of course.

[jammasterj13]

The main reason for violence these days is coz people are wackadoooos!

[kingmonkey]

The main reason for violence these days is coz people are wackadoooos!

Very good point.

[adbasque]

The main reason for violence these days is coz people are wackadoooos!

Yes but why did people go wacoooooo?

You're looking at the end bit of the problem, but not the source :)

[song_of_susannah]

Well as Zoolander says 'Racism is silly and uncool.
Who cares what colour someone's skin is as long as
they're really, really, really good looking.'

I come from a family of mixed allsorts and we're all fiiiiiine! :D It's been scientifically proven that nature loves to mix up the gene pools. People with very different immune systems are attracted to each other.

Pure gene pools produce more defects and quite frankly, less attractive peeps.
So I say bring on the immigrants and let's get breeding!

Aren't we all from a from everywhere anyway?
There was a programme recently that took several white little Englanders who considered themselves pure white and totally English and when they tested their DNA they all with NO EXCEPTIONS had Chinese, African,NativeAmerican etc in them, you just couldn't see it, their faces were a treat made my night anyway:D

[adbasque]

The main reason for violence these days is drugs.

edit: And booze of course.

I am sorry mate, yes you're right partly is to do with drugs, alcohol, but there are lot of other factors, that contributed, and the main factor is actually the family breakage.

Children are NOT raised in stable families anymore, children are being accessed by the state, which screws them up from birth to their graves, TV, News papers, Magazines, promotions outside on the streets, booze yes, drugs yes.

And not to mention half movies are made for violence the other half for sex, games are 70% made for violence.

What do you expect?

[gilly]

Its all the imported criminals, what on earth would you expect.

Over 50% of the murders in London are commited by non UK citizens
60% of robberies in London committed by blacks, 30% of country as a whole
10% of Prison inmates are Muslim, more than twice their presence in the population
30% of prisoners are non whites, 3 times their presence in the population.
Hundreds of english girls 10-15 years old sexually abused by Pakisatani Men aged 18-50
Murderers, rapists wanted for trial in countries all over the world and the Gov won't send them back for trial.

No immigration equals low crime just like it was 50 years ago.

Do you have a link to support this information Bendoon?

Any figures, to show how those percentages were derived (bearing in mind Lord Courtney's "Lies, damned lies and statistics" observation)?

Is it current?

How does this list of statistics for London compare with the rest of the country (since the OP is regarding the country, as opposed to just its capital)?

To my mind, there's little doubt that tptb have thrown cultures together in the manner they have, in order to stir up racial tensions. This has been acknowledged by many people on many threads on this forum.

Sadly, there seem to still be plenty of people who are quick to play into their hands, and point accusing fingers at 'foreigners' at every opportunity. That's never going to resolve anything. Unless people can rise above this manipulation, and embrace others' right to co-exist, we're liable to be done for.

As for violence on our streets, well there are a whole lot of causes of unrest, and I can't think of one of them that hasn't been deliberately created by those at the top.

[song_of_susannah]

Apart from the hidden nefarious influences on society that most of us here understand, surely the attitude to drink that Brits have has some impact.

When I socialize it's not foreigners who are totally bladdered and tearing it up on the streets, flashing their bits and generally behaving like they've been raised by wolves.

[adbasque]

Well as Zoolander says 'Racism is silly and uncool.
Who cares what colour someone's skin is as long as
they're really, really, really good looking.'

I come from a family of mixed allsorts and we're all fiiiiiine! :D It's been scientifically proven that nature loves to mix up the gene pools. People with very different immune systems are attracted to each other.

Pure gene pools produce more defects and quite frankly, less attractive peeps.
So I say bring on the immigrants and let's get breeding!

Aren't we all from a from everywhere anyway?
There was a programme recently that took several white little Englanders who considered themselves pure white and totally English and when they tested their DNA they all with NO EXCEPTIONS had Chinese, African,NativeAmerican etc in them, you just couldn't see it, their faces were a treat made my night anyway:D

The incredible journey of humans, that was one programme.
I cannot believe in 2009 we are still debating racial issues, how civilised are we?

A lot of smugs here believe anybody but them is a useless being, what's the difference between their views and the PTB?
They call us useless eaters, space wasters,
And this thread has absolutely nothing to do with race, I wanted to seriously discuss, whether we do have an alarming level of crime or is it just the exageration from the media, (as usual) to stir tension between people, to divide us because they can see people are getting together, let's screw them even more.

This thread is not a racial thread.

I fully agree with you about what you posted.
Peace to all :)

[kingmonkey]

I am sorry mate, yes you're right partly is to do with drugs, alcohol, but there are lot of other factors, that contributed, and the main factor is actually the family breakage.

Children are NOT raised in stable families anymore, children are being accessed by the state, which screws them up from birth to their graves, TV, News papers, Magazines, promotions outside on the streets, booze yes, drugs yes.

And not to mention half movies are made for violence the other half for sex, games are 70% made for violence.

What do you expect?

Yeah, I agree. Drugs, booze etc. are just the icing on the cake of a sick society. I'd say it was more than family though, there's less community these days as well. People don't care who they fuck over.

[bendoon]

A lot of smugs here believe anybody but them is a useless being, :)

What a scandalous, ignorant statement.

What on earth does not wanting to have your country colonised and your culture wiped out have to do with thinking other races are useless beings ?

Were the native americans racists for not wanting to be colonised by Europeans ?

Were the Australian Aboriginees racist, or the Maori's ?

Of course not, so don't call an English person racist for wanting to preserve their culture. Name calling is not worthy behaviour for a supposed truth seeker.

[bendoon]

Well as Zoolander says 'Racism is silly and uncool.
Who cares what colour someone's skin is as long as
they're really, really, really good looking.'

Do you base all your opinions on Hollywood propaganda ?

[song_of_susannah]

Do you base all your opinions on Hollywood propaganda ?

Only on Mondays.

[deca]

What a scandalous, ignorant statement.

What on earth does not wanting to have your country colonised and your culture wiped out have to do with thinking other races are useless beings ?

Were the native americans racists for not wanting to be colonised by Europeans ?

Were the Australian Aboriginees racist, or the Maori's ?

Of course not, so don't call an English person racist for wanting to preserve their culture. Name calling is not worthy behaviour for a supposed truth seeker.



So all the immigrants that traveled or got exported to the US or austral and their descendants should be boot out and return back to the UK and Europe than?

did these immigrants not travel their for economic and political reasons ?

[bendoon]

Do you have a link to support this information Bendoon?.

http://www.justice.gov.uk/stats-race-criminal-justice-system-07-08-revised.pdf

Page 90 is of interest.

And before anyone says this is Government propaganda, why would it be hidden away and never reported on by the MSM ?

[bendoon]

so all the immigrants that traveled or got exported to the US or austral and their descendants should be boot out and return back to the UK and Europe than?

Thats not my decision, but if they had never gone there in the first place the native peoples of those lands would still be living their own way instead of as they are now in some cases confined to reservations and kept as somewhat museum relics.

I do not want my Grand Children to be confined to a reservation in the Lake district so that visitors can go and see how the English used to live. If that means I am called on Orwellian doublespeak term such as racist then so be it and nothing I can do now can turn the clock back for the Amerindians or the Maoris, all I can do is hope that people don't keep repeating the same mistakes.

[deca]

what is an English mans culture?

[bendoon]

what is an English mans culture?

Do you not even wonder why don't know ?

[deca]

Do you not even wonder why don't know ?

are you saying you don`t know what your culture is?
what are you tring to protect ?

what is your tribe? what beliefs do you hold? customs you take part it?

[adbasque]

What a scandalous, ignorant statement.

Dramatise, was it? humm:rolleyes:


What on earth does not wanting to have your country colonised and your culture wiped out have to do with thinking other races are useless beings ?
Because I don't see it that way, it's not colonised and our culture is far from being wiped out.
Scaremongering will not take you anywhere.
You're doing what the PTB are doing use fear to push their agenda :)


Were the native americans racists for not wanting to be colonised by Europeans ?

Were the Australian Aboriginees racist, or the Maori's ?

Of course not, so don't call an English person racist for wanting to preserve their culture. Name calling is not worthy behaviour for a supposed truth seeker.

The Americans were wiped out mostly 1st by us, 2end by Spanish, don't blame the rest for what our ancestors did ;)
The same for the Aboriginees and many others.

Denying facts is not going to change the course of history, and I haven't yet seen anyone coming here with guns shooting at us and our families, supressing us, killing us etc..

What a ridiculous example, fear fear fear fear!!
That's exactly what the bnp does.

[decim]

The OP is about the Here & Now.

Not the ancient past.

If you want a guilt trip, pack your bags and feck off on one.

No one here killed indians or had slaves.

NWO trolls & hippies.

[bendoon]

That's exactly what the bnp does.

Why do you have to mention the BNP everytime someone says something you don't like ? is it some kind of Fetish ? that you share with the LibLabCons and the entire British MSM.

The Americans were wiped out mostly 1st by us, 2end by Spanish, don't blame the rest for what our ancestors did
The same for the Aboriginees and many others.

No they weren't wiped out by "us", I wasn't there, neither was anyone I know.

and I haven't yet seen anyone coming here with guns shooting at us and our families, supressing us, killing us etc..


No, its a bloodless genocide commanded by the Global elite but the end result will be exactly the same. There is actually quite a lot of stabbing and shooting done by the invaders actually as per the title of this thread.

You're doing what the PTB

Thats funny its the PTB that is pushing mass immigration, supported by "anti racists" such as yourself.

[adbasque]

Yeah, I agree. Drugs, booze etc. are just the icing on the cake of a sick society. I'd say it was more than family though, there's less community these days as well. People don't care who they fuck over.

I don't know if you've noticed, they are breaking smaller communities into a much larger communities, the bigger the towns, the more strangers flood the small towns and become bigger, which will result in.

Nobody knows anybody anymore
Nobody trusts anybody anymore

If you can find a small village with roughly 1000 people init they all know one another, it's so beautiful because people actually know each other, and the first new face in the village is spotted.

Now if you go anywhere in the UK, all the towns grew a larger,

I have lived through it, I used to live in this little small town in the heart of Hertfordshire, called Ware.

I used to know everybody, the Butcher, the farmers, the pubs, the bakers, the postman, you name it, I know everybody in the town and around Ware even in Hertford itself I knew most people.

The funny thing, Hertford used to be the big town lol
And from 1997, it has changed completely, I used to go down the Pub, I didn't know anybody, all the pub owners had moved out of Ware, most shops closed down and re-opened by different people.

And all of this was caused by whom?
Tesco of course since Tesco opened in ware, it's was the beginning of the end of the beautiful little town.

Ok Ware always had Glaxo, but only people who lived in Ware and Hertford who worked there.

Now you can't walk in Ware.

So if you look at this on every single English (British) Town the same is happening.

So yes a lot of factors contributed to the destruction of a society

[kingmonkey]

Yes, the supermarkets are another issue; or at least Tesco is. People are sacrficing thier heritage and history to unscupulous purveyors of convenience!

[gilly]

http://www.justice.gov.uk/stats-race-criminal-justice-system-07-08-revised.pdf

Page 90 is of interest.

And before anyone says this is Government propaganda, why would it be hidden away and never reported on by the MSM ?

Thank you. Sadly, I don't have the time to go through this 213 page document at the moment, but intend to do so tomorrow.

[adbasque]

Why do you have to mention the BNP everytime someone says something you don't like ? is it some kind of Fetish ? that you share with the LibLabCons and the entire British MSM.

Yes that's why I never voted in my entire life, can't you see?
I say what I see, some people here would use the exact same arguments the bnp trolls used before, I mean identical arguments.

Does that answer your question now? :)



No they weren't wiped out by "us", I wasn't there, neither was anyone I know.

Oh really, they were wiped out by Aliens? I suggest you go and read some history then, to refresh your memory a little.


No, its a bloodless genocide commanded by the Global elite but the end result will be exactly the same. There is actually quite a lot of stabbing and shooting done by the invaders actually as per the title of this thread.

If you want to throw the globalists then go and get rid of them not the immigrants, who are the problem :)



Thats funny its the PTB that is pushing mass immigration, supported by "anti racists" such as yourself.

Ok if I am an anti racist (which I am) which makes you a racist then? doesn't it? Otherwise we wouldn't be arguing here would we?

I am anti racist because I see where the problem comes from, not from the immigrants, you go for the easy target, I don't :)

And you keep bringing race and immigration to this thread I told you several times, it's about violence, and violence IS NOT exclusive to a race or a nation.
We are in Britain we deal with our problems, without looking for scapegoats to blame.

[adbasque]

Yes, the supermarkets are another issue; or at least Tesco is. People are sacrficing thier heritage and history to unscupulous purveyors of convenience!

Well not just Tesco, but yes tesco is invading Europe and some parts of the world, is one the biggest globalists and greedy corporation.

What really pisses me off, not only they destroy heritages, but they squeeze farmers on one side, squeeze consumers on the other.

[jammasterj13]

Yes but why did people go wacoooooo?

You're looking at the end bit of the problem, but not the source :)
Who gives a fuck why they go wackadoo. I'm not into analysing every last turd of neuron in a muppets brain. If they or you don't have knowledge of self why even bother?

The way I see it most of societies evils boils down to one thing, a lack of love, in society and on this planet Eden.

[adbasque]

I think its well know that crime and violence its linked to poverty and a breakdown of society.

What they don't see, let's take two examples.

A guys born in one part of the country with two parents working, he has everything he wants, plus a fairly stable family life, he goes to school, to college, University, finds a job works makes his own money, travels, etc..

On the other side of town another guy, with a single parent working all hours that god sends, she/he hardly sees his/her child, when the child is out of school, he alone most of the time, then he goes out mixes with other children of the same class, all deprived in some way, they hang around all day, they get very bored, they drop out of school, then they grow up a bit, can't find a job because they don't have any qualifications, they then turn to crime.

Selling drugs, using drugs, binge drinking, assaults, take things from the better off kids with a knife or beat the other child to death and take whatever he has on him, if a girl is walking home alone, they surround her and rape her for fun and to show their masculinity to each other.

These are the main reasons, it comes back to the broken family, which will lead to a broken society.

If the government wanted really, they can force the parents to take real responsibilities, if a father is on his own, they should force the mother to look after the child, while he is not available, and vice versa.

and to some fathers, they make children and then they bugger off, have another life, sometimes they don't meet their child until he/she is 18, that's what breaks our society not the immigrants.

[adbasque]

Who gives a fuck why they go wackadoo. I'm not into analysing every last turd of neuron in a muppets brain. If they or you don't have knowledge of self why even bother?

The way I see it most of societies evils boils down to one thing, a lack of love, in society and on this planet Eden.

Yes very true, but it's not the only factor, that's what I am saying, what leads a person to become a criminal, it's usually the influences around him/her.

Yes people do go wacoo, because they weren't disciplined, they weren't shown any compassion, love, care, so they think why the hell should I care about anyone, nobody ever cared for me.

Nobody is born a criminal, we cultivate it as we grow older, different paths lead to different destinations.