Ronnie Biggs Refused Parole

[nofuture]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8129146.stm


Page last updated at 16:20 GMT, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:20 UK

Straw refuses Ronnie Biggs parole


The Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs has been refused parole by Justice Secretary Jack Straw.

Mr Straw rejected a recommendation by the Parole Board which backed the release of Biggs, 79.

Mr Straw said Biggs was "wholly unrepentant" about his actions and had "outrageously courted the media".

The news comes as his solicitor revealed that Biggs, who is in hospital after breaking his hip in a fall, had "taken a turn for the worse".

Giovanni di Stefano said Biggs's son Michael was on his way to Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital "on an emergency basis".

Biggs was taken from Norwich Prison to hospital after a fall at the weekend.


Had he complied with his sentence, he would have been a free man many years ago


The Parole Board report said the risk Biggs posed was "manageable under the proposed risk management plan and consequently parole is recommended".

But the panel added that "in terms of his attitudes and risk areas" there was little evidence, apart from his increased age, to suggest he would not return to his old criminal lifestyle.

Giving his reasons for the refusal of parole, Mr Straw said it was "unacceptable" that Biggs had chosen not to obey the law and tried to avoid the consequences of his decision.

Mr Straw said Biggs would have been a free man "many years ago" if he had complied with the sentence given to him.

He said: "I have informed Mr Ronald Biggs of my decision regarding his parole.

'Wholly unrepentant'

"Mr Biggs chose to serve only one year of a 30-year sentence before he took the personal decision to commit another offence and escape from prison, avoiding capture by travelling abroad for 35 years whilst outrageously courting the media.

"Had he complied with his sentence, he would have been a free man many years ago.

"I am refusing the Parole Board's recommendation for parole. Biggs chose not to obey the law and respect the punishments given to him - the legal system in this country deserves more respect than this.

"It was Mr Biggs's own choice to offend and he now appears to want to avoid the consequences of his decision. I do not think this is acceptable.

"Mr Biggs is wholly unrepentant and the Parole Board found his propensity to breach trust a very significant factor. He has not undertaken risk-related work and does not regret his offending."

Biggs was a member of a 15-strong gang which attacked a mail train at Ledburn, Buckinghamshire, on 8 August 1963.

The gang made off with £2.6m in used banknotes in the biggest ever raid on a British train.

After being given a 30-year sentence, Biggs escaped from Wandsworth Prison, south London, in a furniture van after spending 15 months in jail.

He was on the run for more than 30 years, living in Spain, Australia and Brazil, before returning to the UK voluntarily in 2001.

[scatlond]

A clear case of Government hypocrisy. Straw says he was sentenced to 30 years if he had stayed in jail he would be a free man now. Well Reggie Kray was also sentenced to 30 years and was still in jail after 30 years, only given parole after a cancer death sentence. I suspect they wont let Biggs out at all, even to die. We are in a democracy, let the people decide if he should go free. I say yes.

[dreamweaver]

A clear case of Government hypocrisy. Straw says he was sentenced to 30 years if he had stayed in jail he would be a free man now. Well Reggie Kray was also sentenced to 30 years and was still in jail after 30 years, only given parole after a cancer death sentence. I suspect they wont let Biggs out at all, even to die. We are in a democracy, let the people decide if he should go free. I say yes.

Yeah, that could work like if did in Life of Brian:

Release Woger - YouTube

Welease Wonnie!! :D

[drhemp]

What a heartless bastard Straw is to keep a frail old man in prison in what may well be the last few months of his life.

To me Biggs will always be a hero, coz he stuck two fingers up at the British Establishment.

[diamond dogs]

A clear case of Government hypocrisy. Straw says he was sentenced to 30 years if he had stayed in jail he would be a free man now. Well Reggie Kray was also sentenced to 30 years and was still in jail after 30 years, only given parole after a cancer death sentence. I suspect they wont let Biggs out at all, even to die. We are in a democracy, let the people decide if he should go free. I say yes.

Interesting comparison as Reggie Kray spent his last weeks at a Thorpe Saint Andrew 'Hotel' (Attached to a pub) not far from Norwich prison... Not would I expect from a notorious Eastender.

Article dated March 2001

An interview with gangster Reggie Kray on his deathbed is to be screened by the BBC. The former East End crime boss, who was jailed for murdering Jack "The Hat" McVitie, died last October aged 66 after losing a long battle against cancer.

In the documentary, The Final Word - filmed at the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital several days before his death - Kray talks about the many chapters in his life, including London's criminal underworld in the 1960s, which he and twin brother Ronnie dominated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1231599.stm

[pduffy4]

Welease Wonnie!! :D

Yes,
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[nofuture]

The irony of being lectured on criminality by a man like Straw.

[drhemp]

The irony of being lectured on criminality by a man like Straw.

Quite! Though I support parole for Biggs, I certainly wouldn't support it for Straw if the justice that is deserved for him is ever served and he is sent down for his part in the war crimes of the BLiar government.

[scatlond]

Interesting comparison as Reggie Kray spent his last weeks at a Thorpe Saint Andrew 'Hotel' (Attached to a pub) not far from Norwich prison... Not would I expect from a notorious Eastender.

Article dated March 2001

An interview with gangster Reggie Kray on his deathbed is to be screened by the BBC. The former East End crime boss, who was jailed for murdering Jack "The Hat" McVitie, died last October aged 66 after losing a long battle against cancer.

In the documentary, The Final Word - filmed at the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital several days before his death - Kray talks about the many chapters in his life, including London's criminal underworld in the 1960s, which he and twin brother Ronnie dominated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1231599.stm

I am not comparing Ronnie b and Reg k. Its the 30 year sentence, straw said if biggs had stayed in jail he would be free now. RK was also sentenced to 30 years, but done more and was only released to die.


Wesuwwect Weggie.

[stomach]

If Reggie Kray was jailed for murder then it would have been a life sentence with no set date of release.

If Ronnie Biggs has served 1 year, then escaped, which would automatically attract added time, then he should serve a substantial sentence.

It seems strange that there are people who appear to not only support but desperately want these people released from prison. I don't get it.

[scatlond]

The judge recommended 30 years for kray. As far as I know he never committed any further crimes to warrant additions to that. I think it is a disgrace to keep an old man in that condition in prison, nor do I understand people who want it that way.

[drhemp]

Meanwhile, while Jack Boots Straw announced a sick elderly man who has already served 10 years in prison must remain locked up, he also announced there are around 1,000 who should have been sent to prison, including rapists and murderers, that are at large.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8136306.stm

[scooby doo]

He should stab a screw in the head. Get out quicker then.

On a serious note who owned the train that he and the others robbed?

[curtaincat]

ronnie biggs, was sorry, they never meant to kill anyone, but the fact that he escaped, is what pissed off tptb.

they are just getting revenge, and that is sick. power corrupted.

the krays only killed scum , they never killed otherwise. they were ok.

jack straw is totally out of order. he will pay in the long run. we shouldnt worry about it, he will get what he deserves.

THEY dont like escapers to live a nice life. they are just reflecting their own views of themselves, but they dont realise it. lol, they will get whats coming to them.

I applaud all escapers, Ronnie biggs, and the Kray twins, ( who didnt), are not baddies. If anyone lived in their world, they would understand. I dont live in their world, but they are ok and did deserve justice.

Jack Straw will have live to and die with no compassion. :mad:

[drhemp]

He should stab a screw in the head. Get out quicker then.

On a serious note who owned the train that he and the others robbed?

The very same Establishment that Biggs stuck 2 fingers up at from Brazil.

His original sentence of 30 years was considered very harsh, as I understand Biggs only played a minor roll in the robbery, and contrary to popular opinion, the driver didn't die from his injuries, but from leukemia about 6 years later.

Straws decision to keep him in jail in what are probably the last few months of his month is pure nasty vindictiveness, so exactly what we should expect from Straw.

[curtaincat]

The very same Establishment that Biggs stuck 2 fingers up at from Brazil.

His original sentence of 30 years was considered very harsh, as I understand Biggs only played a minor roll in the robbery, and contrary to popular opinion, the driver didn't die from his injuries, but from leukemia about 6 years later.

Straws decision to keep him in jail in what are probably the last few months of his month is pure nasty vindictiveness, so exactly what we should expect from Straw.

yeah, that is what i said, "revenge' - ' vindictiveness', same fucking words, those bastards...

[scooby doo]

The very same Establishment that Biggs stuck 2 fingers up at from Brazil.

His original sentence of 30 years was considered very harsh, as I understand Biggs only played a minor roll in the robbery, and contrary to popular opinion, the driver didn't die from his injuries, but from leukemia about 6 years later.

Straws decision to keep him in jail in what are probably the last few months of his month is pure nasty vindictiveness, so exactly what we should expect from Straw.

Doesn't really answer my ? no harm Dr Hemp. Mean was it Royal Mail or another company. Just I think personally that would have alot to do with the fact that they aren't letting him out. Aye I kind of guessed it was some sort of Establishment train just wanting to know who EXCALTY owned it.

Feck it I'll go google it.

But aye get what you mean about Straw sure was his son or brother not done (lightly) for breaking a law? Can't remember which or what for sure but do remember something about Straw family member doing something.

Although Straw himself has broken a shit load of laws but think you know what I mean. Whores the lot of em. Worst kind to because they sold their souls rather than their bodies.

[drhemp]

ronnie biggs, was sorry, they never meant to kill anyone, but the fact that he escaped, is what pissed off tptb.

they are just getting revenge, and that is sick. power corrupted.



They never actually killed anyone, the driver was injured (not by Biggs himself), but not killed, normally for injuring someone you don't get 30 years. The driver died from Leukemia. I think the media liked to give the impression Biggs killed someone, as to many he was seen as a working class hero, which is not what they wanted.

Living it up in Brazil while the UK authorities could do nothing about was not a message they liked showing to the world, nor will they like it that many Brits thought it hilarious that he pulled one over on British justice.

[curtaincat]

yeah, thats what i meant, he got a bump on the head.
i think it was his family trying to get compo, or something.


It is just nasty revenge on the gov's side.
they need a taste of their own medicine....


the ptb will go out of their way to be mean to any freedom person, which sucks.
Papillon is a great example of escapers. there are many, of course, and get tortured really bad.

[islamvslizards]

what i dont understand is why he came back to the UK? i would have stayed in brazil and lived the life of a king till my dying day lol

[curtaincat]

what i dont understand is why he came back to the UK? i would have stayed in brazil and lived the life of a king till my dying day lol

He missed his home land, he got homesick... i can understand that, and maybe he thought that , in his old age, they would understand, but nope, they ptb, just wanted revenge.

It was to make an example of him, any person that seeks freedom, they are trying to say that anyone who wants to be free, then fuck off, you dont stand a chance, no matter what your age,

it is making an example, that is why there are harsh laws... toe the line!!

( The Kray twins went through this process big time)

it means, shut up and do what you are told or else.

everyone who seeks freedom will get this, whether you have done any crim stuff or not.

wake up and smell the rot!

[drhemp]

He missed his home land, he got homesick... i can understand that, and maybe he thought that , in his old age, they would understand, but nope, they ptb, just wanted revenge.

It was to make an example of him, any person that seeks freedom, they are trying to say that anyone who wants to be free, then fuck off, you dont stand a chance, no matter what your age,

it is making an example, that is why there are harsh laws... toe the line!!

( The Kray twins went through this process big time)

it means, shut up and do what you are told or else.

everyone who seeks freedom will get this, whether you have done any crim stuff or not.

wake up and smell the rot!

The Sun tricked him, by telling him they had brokered a deal and he would serve only a couple of years in a low security prison, so he agreed to come back. No such deal was made and he spent the next 9 years in high security Belmarsh.

[scatlond]

[QUOTE=scooby doo;1097148]But aye get what you mean about Straw sure was his son or brother not done (lightly) for breaking a law? Can't remember which or what for sure but do remember something about Straw family member doing something.[QUOTE]

I think his son was set up by a Sun reporter. Straws son sold the reporter a bit of dope or something.

[nofuture]

Also Straw's brother was on the sex offenders register.


Nice family.

[nofuture]

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Ronnie & the Sex Pistols

[chocolateharpist]

So did he rob the train?

[drhemp]

The Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs has been readmitted to hospital with severe pneumonia, his son said.

The 79-year-old inmate at Norwich Prison has been taken to the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Biggs was taken to the hospital last month for a serious chest infection and a fractured hip. Michael Biggs said: "It's the worst he's ever been."

Biggs was refused parole by Justice Secretary Jack Straw this month because he was "wholly unrepentant".

How evil of Straw not to let him die his last couple months in dignity with his son. The man has no compassion, but we knew that anyway. Straw himself is a war criminal for his part in the BLiar Government's illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

[agneau]

Here's a thought: if the fuckwit hadn't robbed people like you and me of our money - and it was ordinatry peoples money in the envelopes they nicked - not the Goverments, not British Rails,s , not TPTB, but ordinary blokes on the street and their old mums sending cash and postal orders in the post - perhaps if the thieving little toe-rag hadn't got involved in nicking from the public, then perhaps he wouldn't be in jail at all? Do you think? Jeez....

And the Krays shouldv'e been hanged ("they only murdered scum" some idiot said - really? That's how they made a living was it?).

In fact, the reintroduction of capital punishment is way overdue for serious crimes (by which I mean anything above double-parking..). That'll solve most of our problems.

[drhemp]

Here's a thought: if the fuckwit hadn't robbed people like you and me of our money - and it was ordinatry peoples money in the envelopes they nicked - not the Goverments, not British Rails,s , not TPTB, but ordinary blokes on the street and their old mums sending cash and postal orders in the post - perhaps if the thieving little toe-rag hadn't got involved in nicking from the public, then perhaps he wouldn't be in jail at all? Do you think? Jeez....

And the Krays shouldv'e been hanged ("they only murdered scum" some idiot said - really? That's how they made a living was it?).

In fact, the reintroduction of capital punishment is way overdue for serious crimes (by which I mean anything above double-parking..). That'll solve most of our problems.

He already served more than 10 years of a disproportionately high sentence for a robbery where noone was killed and he played only a minor roll in. Straws actions are just vindictive and nasty. In a civilised country there is supposed to be compassion in justice.

Keeping a 79 year old sick men in prison out of pure spite? Reintroduction of capital punishment? Are you sure you're in the right forum? Are not there any right-wing Neo con forums that would be more to your views?

A shame no punishment whatsoever, let alone harsh ones like you support, are ever likely to be handed out to BLiar and his cronies for their crimes against humanity.

[agneau]

Missing the point: If he hadn't committed a crime, then he wouldn't be in that position would he? And age and health have nothing to do with anything.

By your logic, it would pay a crim to escape during the best years of his life, then return when he's old and ill, so fools like you would go "aw! poor old thing! off you go then, and never mind." Net result, no time spent.

Capital punishment is a valid option in some instances, as far as I'm concerned, and no, I'm not a rightwing Neo con - whatever that is. Just someone with a different view to you - or is that not allowed?

[drhemp]

Missing the point: If he hadn't committed a crime, then he wouldn't be in that position would he? And age and health have nothing to do with anything.

By your logic, it would pay a crim to escape during the best years of his life, then return when he's old and ill, so fools like you would go "aw! poor old thing! off you go then, and never mind." Net result, no time spent.

Capital punishment is a valid option in some instances, as far as I'm concerned, and no, I'm not a rightwing Neo con - whatever that is. Just someone with a different view to you - or is that not allowed?
What are you on about? He spent the last 8 years in jail, mainly in the high security Belmarsh. He's old and about to die, served is time, let him spend the last few days with his family, have you never heard of compassion?

And yes, he is a hero to me, coz he stuck 2 fingers up at the British Establishment. Do I care that he lapped it up in Brazil while he was supposed to be serving time in a British prison? Well to be quite frank, no I couldn't give a fuck. There are far greater criminals in this Government who should be serving time, not to mention all those banker crooks who stole all that tax payers money.

You said you wanted to see capital punishment reintroduced, (including for parking offenses), the fervent support of the death penalty is usually associated with those on the right, such as the neo-cons I should argue and probably not with those who seek enlightenment and infinite love.

[olas]

What a heartless bastard Straw is to keep a frail old man in prison in what may well be the last few months of his life.

To me Biggs will always be a hero, coz he stuck two fingers up at the British Establishment.

In the year 2001, i was traveling in one of the countries that Ronald Biggs had used to escape from the law, and there the history of his robbery was at height.

On the subject, some said that there was never any money and that he and his partners, had to feign a robbery to explain the disappearance of money by bureaucratic ways.

He lived like a king on the beaches of the south, having to enjoying the high-life, from this last 30 years.

[dmt head]

What a heartless bastard Straw is to keep a frail old man in prison in what may well be the last few months of his life.

To me Biggs will always be a hero, coz he stuck two fingers up at the British Establishment.


A hero?? WTF? Are you a wannabee bank robber or something? Whys he a hero,for being a fugitive?

If Reggie Kray was jailed for murder then it would have been a life sentence with no set date of release.

If Ronnie Biggs has served 1 year, then escaped, which would automatically attract added time, then he should serve a substantial sentence.

It seems strange that there are people who appear to not only support but desperately want these people released from prison. I don't get it.

Neither do I?

ronnie biggs, was sorry, they never meant to kill anyone, but the fact that he escaped, is what pissed off tptb.

they are just getting revenge, and that is sick. power corrupted.

the krays only killed scum , they never killed otherwise. they were ok.

jack straw is totally out of order. he will pay in the long run. we shouldnt worry about it, he will get what he deserves.

THEY dont like escapers to live a nice life. they are just reflecting their own views of themselves, but they dont realise it. lol, they will get whats coming to them.

I applaud all escapers, Ronnie biggs, and the Kray twins, ( who didnt), are not baddies. If anyone lived in their world, they would understand. I dont live in their world, but they are ok and did deserve justice.

Jack Straw will have live to and die with no compassion. :mad:

Your post is sick mate, the krays only killed scum?? I dont live in their world but if you did youd understand? Wtf does that mean, im working class right, surrounded by scummers and these fuckers are bloody gangsters,maybe your looking at it from middle class tinted glasses that see these people as some sort of martyrs aginast the system and dont see what they actually did to other human beings :rolleyes:

He missed his home land, he got homesick... i can understand that, and maybe he thought that , in his old age, they would understand, but nope, they ptb, just wanted revenge.

It was to make an example of him, any person that seeks freedom, they are trying to say that anyone who wants to be free, then fuck off, you dont stand a chance, no matter what your age,

it is making an example, that is why there are harsh laws... toe the line!!

( The Kray twins went through this process big time)

it means, shut up and do what you are told or else.

everyone who seeks freedom will get this, whether you have done any crim stuff or not.

wake up and smell the rot!

Their trying to get someone who commited a serious crime, I dont agree with the sentences handed out to bank robbers compared to paedos rapists and murderers, but its still a serious crime done by career criminals who usually are violent. I do sympathise with his situation and obviously leniancy should be given, but he did laugh in their faces and obviously they would want revenge, just dont get this whole nostalgic gloss people have for people like biggs, well I do but their not bloody heros or martyrs to me :rolleyes:

[drhemp]

A hero?? WTF? Are you a wannabee bank robber or something? Whys he a hero,for being a fugitive?


Why should I care that someone who helped to rob a train got away with it? Not that he did, as he served the rest of his sentence when he voluntarily came back to the UK. I hate the British Establishment and thought it hilarious that Biggs poked fun at them from Brazil. I have no loyalties to the rotten British Establishment. I want them to fall.

I'm more concerned the War Crimes of Mr Tony BLiar have not been pursued in the Courts, they're obviously too busy dealing with people using megaphones.

[keystone]

...........and obviously they would want revenge,Why? - it has no bearing on the case whatsoever. When revenge gets dressed up as justice for political purposes we're all well and truly screwed!

Cheers

[dmt head]

Why should I care that someone who helped to rob a train got away with it? Not that he did, as he served the rest of his sentence when he voluntarily came back to the UK. I hate the British Establishment and thought it hilarious that Biggs poked fun at them from Brazil. I have no loyalties to the rotten British Establishment. I want them to fall.

I'm more concerned the War Crimes of Mr Tony BLiar have not been pursued in the Courts, they're obviously too busy dealing with people using megaphones.

I want them to fall too and there are far more important things to deal with obiviously but you do care enough to post in this thread saying how great he is christ.

Why? - it has no bearing on the case whatsoever. When revenge gets dressed up as justice for political purposes we're all well and truly screwed!

Cheers

Your right it has no bearing, but dont be so naive to think thats not the case, its obviously part of it, we already seemed screwed imo so...

[drhemp]

Why? - it has no bearing on the case whatsoever. When revenge gets dressed up as justice for political purposes we're all well and truly screwed!

Cheers

Yes indeed. Revenge is a very dangerous concept and I hope that one day we evolve enough to not wish to use it.

Courts are supposed to deter and rehabilitate, they're not supposed to offer vengeance.

[keystone]

.......... but dont be so naive to think thats not the case....................I'm not. In this case though its so blatantly obvious. When they've got away with this one.............. Need I go on?

Cheers

[keystone]

Courts are supposed to deter and rehabilitate, they're not supposed to offer vengeance.Quite. But he did the crime and he served his time. There is no useful purpose in keeing a dying man incarcerated in those circumstances.


Cheers

[diamond dogs]

His son has just been on the radio stating that he is now drifting in and out of consciousness surrounded by three officers..after being transfered from Norwich jail to The Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital...

The prisons are full and they waste all this time and money by setting an example to a dying elderly man...

[drhemp]

Yeah I know, sick innit? However, we should expect nothing less when an evil man like Jack Straw is involved in the decision making process.