How to take a stand against government lies?

[raven200]

Hello People,

Reading up on threads and opinions etc. I have found that we all have a lot of opinions but seem not to have any solutions.

We are constantly made aware of the facts that our goverments lie to us on an ongoing basis on various actions they take! Is this O.K. should they be allowed to do this?

We know that our goverments have taken illegal actions on many occassions causing the deaths of innocent people, what I want to be discussed in this thread are ways to find a solution to stop governments from doing this!

We are the public we should have the final say, but to make it happen we need to be able to take united steps against lies and open others eyes as well.

Finally we should be able to create solutions if our profiteering governments are unable to?

Please give effective solutions and steps we can take to make changes and ourselves heard.

Example would be the Iraq enquiry! Should Gordon Brown have authority to run an enquiry in private and not have answerable people held to account for the evil deeds?

How can we create a solutions to such matters, please state your solutions and what actions can be taken to implement them?

[truedruid]

We are the public we should have the final say,
We think we have the final say, but unfortunately we don't!

The government own the money, it costs alot to get the truth outthere and because the government are paying a lot to get the lie's out, how can you compete. The thing that needs to happen is the people to agree, at the moment we don't. The government are ordered by one organisation with one agender so there arn't any arguements, but many of the public are waking up through various means and at different rates.

You may or may not agree with the legalisation of cannabis, but many believe this is where it needs to start.

So the only advice I can give is help to legalise cannabis, the dutch are free spirited, but are constantly being ground down by the EU.

[smoke n mirrors]

Walk out of work and accept that money has no value (thats the hurdle people cant get over). People will have to accept money is a trap and the life source of the system.

The only thing they have is money, once it's worthless, they only have their immediate material assets and some secret knowledge. (They being the PTB)

Discourage your friends and families from joining any government scheme or agency.

Take your kids out of the school system.

Throw out the TV.

Reclaim your privacy.

Join the Freeman movement.

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[mntruthseeker]

we all need to stand up and refuse to pay our taxes. opt out of paying with your pay check

They can not put us all in prison and they are already trying to kill us, what more can they do

pray for love even if you are sick of hearing about that..............that truly will knock their socks off if we all loved each other.

[drc_]

I think educating the people into knowing WTF is going on is the best we can do.

The Illuminati rely on the fact that we police ourselves. It starts when 'adults' 'discipline' and 'raise' their children with their closed off little minds. Then the schooling system, then the job system. Everyone thinking outside of the box is a thread to the mind-numbed state most people are in, and they're happy about being in that state! They'll get angry with you when you open their box up and show them the world that is.

Remember Albert Pike's words:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.
The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

I feel that the stuff I underlined and made bold, is US. We, the people that are realizing what is going on. The Illuminati understand that civilization as we know it would be destroyed if humanity would actually gain it's freedom back. And they trust on the fact that people love civilization (and the many "don't think too much we'll do that for you" mentality) so much, that they will actually see the people that are trying to set humanity free as the idiots/enemies that just don't wanna take part in the insanity they've grown so attached to.

[drc_]

I've been talking about this subject with my parents more and more lately. And they're actually starting to open their eyes. The point is I made some 'predictions' that are now coming true. And that has kinda opened their minds into thinking: "Maybe Robert isn't talking crazy after all..".

For people to be free as a whole, there's 2 things that need to happen in my opinion:

1) A massive awakening, people REALLY need to open their eyes and especially accept that the world functions as it does. Because if you don't accept and acknowledge that things are the way they are, then there is no need for them to change it. Because it just isn't true. The lie is.

2) Massive refusal to go along with the system.

The point is that the first one's hard enough by itself. Waking people up from their slumber, especially when they've grown attached to it, is a bitch... :p but getting people to actually give up money and all of their belief systems is an even bigger bitch.

When I talk to my mom alone she raises a very understandable point: I don't want to give up this lifestyle.

I understand this. I still go along with many of the things I see as evil. But giving it all up and taking matters into your own hands requires some serious backbone. And most people really don't feel like putting up such a 'fight', because they just don't have the energy. Again I understand this. Working your ass off for minimum wage for 40 years really takes it out of you.

But still I ask my mom the question: Is your life and the lifestyle you have now so great? You worry about bills, about dad not having a job that provides enough income because he lost his fulltime job at the age of 56 and now has to work shitty parttime jobs. You worry about the news and all the bullshit they put out there. About the economy. Etc etc etc. Are you really this happy that you wouldn't want to give up all the things I just mentioned.

And she agrees with me that it's not so great after all and actually worth giving it all up.

The latter has to become the mentality of the majority of people. Only then can we work towards a free humanity.

[raven200]

I'm finding so far from the people that have responded that they have a generalised view that:

A) We need to stop following the system.

B) Change our life styles

C) Release ourselves from self policing, which is pretty much point (A)

So saying that we do all of that, we all unite and break free from the current system, topple our lying leaders.

The next question is then....

What form of new system do we create to keep society in order?

What would be your views on what a fair system is to allow society to leave a accomplished and fulfilling life?

Taking into consideration that people will still want to follow there religions and also criminals will need to be controlled.

[veritasvoice]

What form of new system do we create to keep society in order?

What would be your views on what a fair system is to allow society to leave a accomplished and fulfilling life?

Taking into consideration that people will still want to follow there religions and also criminals will need to be controlled.

I know this is going to sound cliched, but a republic. It is the system you describe; the only thing that it requires to work properly is an aware populace that values their rights as sovereign individuals, and the knowledge that they are implicitly allowed to fight for them - up to and including physically revolting against government corruption.

A republic allows statists and anarchists to co-exist, as long as they do not infringe upon each other's rights. It allows all religions and all points of view to exist except those of actual criminals, and of people looking to bring down the republic (thereby attempting to infringe upon the rights of every one of its citizens by stripping their protections and sovereignty away).

If you had a society structured like a republic, but with additional safeguards on influences on the media, separation of church and state/economy and state/education and state/corporation and politics, absolute transparency directed towards government NOT people, no central banking or fiat currency, no taxation of income, and a zero tolerance policy on corruption, it would work to protect the people's rights instead of oppress them.