Unexplained Mysteries On The Moon And Mars!

[mikesingh]

Here are a few of the strangest images taken by various probes that show intriguing objects on the Moon and Mars that are as mysterious as they come. There has been much discussion on a few of these images but there have been no firm conclusions as to what these objects really are or how they could possibly have been produced by natural geological processes. Or even how the strange ‘shadows’ have been produced.

Some of these images are new as I’ve just spotted them, mostly in Dr Robinson’s album of images taken by the Lunar Orbiter. Space Imaging expert, Keith Laney, who worked for NASA/AMES for the 2003 Mars Exploration Rovers mission, has himself mentioned that these LO images are uncensored and has also found scores of other anomalies that are ‘devastating’! And this coming from an expert in the field.

Most debunkers and skeptics go to great lengths explaining these away as camera glitches, or are just rocks and their shadows. But look closely. Invoking Occam’s razor, there could be much simpler explanations - like alien artifacts?

If these cannot be explained as natural occurrences, is there a possibility that what we’re looking at are alien artifacts or man made structures, implying that there could be or was a base of sorts on the Moon/Mars? Far fetched on the face of it. But do we know EVERYTHING that’s going on around us or out there? Making an attempt or even trying to provide out-of-the-box explanations is blasphemy, as it does not conform to our scientific paradigms!

Having said that, lets get started!

The Artifacts On Mars

Equally Spaced Objects

Here’s an image of Mars taken from the Opportunity camera in Jan 07.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/c5b3750d836b9ac040682b7f61a4f0cd.gif
Opportunity Sol 1070
Courtesy: NASA/JPL

There are six objects you can clearly see that I’ve marked in red squares. They are all equi-distant! Can this be possible in nature? Are they just stones lying around, or are these artificial constructs? (There are more objects in a straight line in the original Opportunity image which I have cropped).

Here are three strange objects exactly 800 feet apart on Terra Meridiani!! Natural stone formation? You be the judge!

http://www.marsunearthed.com/SelectedImages/TerraMeridianiObjects/Sentinel1.gif
MOC narrow-angle image M00-01661
Courtesy: Marsunearthed

Another interesting image is the crater with a golf ball like structure inside. This one defies the usual explanations….

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/5cf8b19a1e388e5f5a5dd17e1a132218.gif

And here’s the Amundson Scott South Polar Station on the left. Notice the resemblance with the Mars ‘Golf Ball’ structure on the right?

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/b7477199fda6b3521187ada33f677b87.gif

Here's what look like ‘tracks’ on Mars. The image (below) is the Mojave crater in the Xanthe Terra region. Notice the almost perfect arc of a circle formed by one of the objects!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/97076f702e213d99181cb1aa8e3848e7.jpg
Highlighted portion of HiRISE Image PSP_001415_1875

Note that these semicircular ‘tracks’ are going up-hill. The tracks seen going across are on the top of a ridge which is more or less flat. Not enough incline to make a stone roll across loose soil! These images were shown to a source at NASA who said that these may be rolling boulders but he wasn’t too sure, but nonetheless were pretty intriguing!

The two images below are what I found whilst studying the Lunar Orbiter images from Prof Robinson’s collections. Note that these ‘tracks’ were photographed in 1967 BEFORE any probe landed on the Moon! So these cannot be explained away as tracks made by a Lunar Rover.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/0dcf2612039fc6cea7fd5e2ac3fbc1a8.jpg

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/442dabfbd121eb7c374f47b5d8317e45.jpg


Moon Towers?

Here are two photographs from the Lunar Orbiter which I found after hours of scanning Prof Robinson's album of LO images, showing what look like towers:

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/abc1ce874b17079625d487ab3f857c0d.jpg

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/7c3f701271d325e03f9192075c95bb94.jpg


Moon City?

Shown below, colorized, is one of the images containing weird land forms that look like they have been designed as such. Natural geological formations having such geometric shapes are difficult to imagine. But then again, we aren’t sure as to what natural processes could have produced these on the Moon.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/dec5cf39a2a23ad337c23379bb93c589.jpg

So can all these be explained away as just rocks and shadows? Or geological formations or processes on Mars and the Moon - of which we haven’t the faintest clue? Or could they be vestiges of an ancient ET civilization? I leave it to you to decide!

Cheers!


http://areo.info/mer/opportunity/1070/tn/1P223169161EFF78VAP2629L5M1_L4L5L5L5L6.jpg.html

http://barsoom.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0001661.html

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/jpegmaps/AB108505.jpg

http://thestargates.com/image/candor1.png

[venividivici2311]

Nice pictures mikesignh,and welcome on the forum!!!
You got more of those??? :D

[jaylox]

please anyone post more ... this is real. a person interpretation but still real...the reason i bought a telescope and getting a camera..

good post and pics mate...jay

[gripit]

Hello mikesingh! Welcome to the forum and thanks for the great post! There is a 'Life on Mars' thread already going here. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3449&highlight=life+mars) I'm not sure anything you posted is in there, perhaps you could repost in that thread? Oh, there is also a Moon thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7589)!

Cheers!

[mikesingh]

Nice pictures mikesignh,and welcome on the forum!!!
You got more of those??? :D
More? I've got tons of intriguing images from Mars/Moon/Saturn's rings taken by Cassini and so on! But hold on guys! Patience! :D

And thanks guys for the welcome. This is an excellent site and hope to contribute as much as I can,

Cheers! ;)

[chattanova]

Wow, nice one mikesingh, I'm a big fan, you got the most amazing threads on the web (above top secret..)
I'm glad you finally found us, welcome onboard :)

[jamesc]

Hi mikesingh:) and welcome to the forum.Very,very interesting images, will be looking at more of your posts now with intrigue.:)

[elton]

The parallel tracks one from 1967 is the most interesting. Has there been any "official" explanation of that from NASA? I can't wait to hear their excuse for that one!

[mikesingh]

Wow, nice one mikesingh, I'm a big fan, you got the most amazing threads on the web (above top secret..)
I'm glad you finally found us, welcome onboard :)
Hi chattanova! Thanks bud. Well, I've quit ATS (Above Top Secret) for good and luckily found this excellent web site.

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

Hi mikesingh:) and welcome to the forum.Very,very interesting images, will be looking at more of your posts now with intrigue.:)
Thanks jamesc! Hang on to your hat! It's gonna be a roller coaster ride!

By the way, here's a You Tube vid of mine which you may find interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_li5XJimk

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

The parallel tracks one from 1967 is the most interesting. Has there been any "official" explanation of that from NASA? I can't wait to hear their excuse for that one!
NO official explanation as yet. Would there ever be? I think not. So who was on the Moon pre 1967, before any Rover landed there? However, these 'tracks' seem to be from antiquity. Probably the remains of a long gone civilization? Heck! I wish I knew for certain! :(

Cheers! :D

[metacomet]

No, I don't believe equa-distant objects are a natural phenomena. Even mountain ranges that look to have equa-distant peaks clearly do not.

The only thing in nature that has equa-distant anything are vertebrae in animals and things like fingers on a fern leaf or pine needles on a tree...

rocks are never equadistant like that.

My favorite pic was the golfball dome within the crater. Simply impossible natural phenomena.

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Hey Mike :P
Here's my own youtube on the Moon anomalies here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjYRREo8LIU
And you can download all 370 anomalies I found here:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4966387
Or just view them here:
http://s470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/

have a good one! :)

[rynath]

Nice photos on this thread. Many I had not seen before, thx to all for sharing.

[armoured_amazon]

Great thread. Welcome to the forum. :)

[chattanova]

Hey Mike :P
Here's my own youtube on the Moon anomalies here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjYRREo8LIU
And you can download all 370 anomalies I found here:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4966387
Or just view them here:
http://s470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/

have a good one! :)

You've done some great discoveries here!
Keep up the hard work cause this was enjoyable to watch :)
And welcome to the boards.

[mikesingh]

Hey Mike :P
Here's my own youtube on the Moon anomalies here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjYRREo8LIU
And you can download all 370 anomalies I found here:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4966387
Or just view them here:
http://s470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/

have a good one! :)

Hey W! Nice to see you here! :D And your legendary Moon pics! Your vid was excellent as usual and as far as your Moon images are concerned, I need to get my beer, sit back, and check out all your super images!

Cheers!

[elton]

I am rubbish at posting pics etc but now that the LROC photos are coming into the NASA website, can someone post when they get some decent ones? I'm still interested in the parralel tracks one.

[mikesingh]

I am rubbish at posting pics etc but now that the LROC photos are coming into the NASA website, can someone post when they get some decent ones? I'm still interested in the parralel tracks one.

If you think they're going to post any Moon anomalies, then you've got another think coming!! :p They put all images through the wringer, I mean the imagining section, 'airbrush' the anomalies (They've developed special software for doing just that!) and once satisfied with a visual scan, put it out on the web as a neat little image album!

You've got to ask NASA/NRL as to what the heck happened to the 400,000 hi-res images of the Moon that have not been published so far? These were taken by Clementine, the Deep Space Program Science Experiment (DSPSE) which was a joint space project between the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization BMDO and NASA and built by NRL. You'd never get an answer to that one!

So what are you going to see in the near future? More of the same!!! And you're going to throw up your hands in exasperation and yell, "Hey! So what's new?" :(

Ok, here's one from Clementine.....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Logo/Cover01.jpg
Courtesy: thelivingmoon

Strange shining 'crater', what?

Cheers! ;)

[venividivici2311]

If you think they're going to post any Moon anomalies, then you've got another think coming!! :p They put all images through the wringer, I mean the imagining section, 'airbrush' the anomalies (They've developed special software for doing just that!) and once satisfied with a visual scan, put it out on the web as a neat little image album!

You've got to ask NASA/NRL as to what the heck happened to the 400,000 hi-res images of the Moon that have not been published so far? These were taken by Clementine, the Deep Space Program Science Experiment (DSPSE) which was a joint space project between the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization BMDO and NASA and built by NRL. You'd never get an answer to that one!

So what are you going to see in the near future? More of the same!!! And you're going to throw up your hands in exasperation and yell, "Hey! So what's new?" :(

Ok, here's one from Clementine.....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Logo/Cover01.jpg
Courtesy: thelivingmoon

Strange shining 'crater', what?

Cheers! ;)

John Lear showed that picture in his camelot interview,always wanted to see it up close,thanks mikesingh!

[watchzeitgeistnow]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

[mikesingh]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off?

Jeeez! The only thing that knocked my socks off and blew my top was the message, "Address Not Found!" What the heck's going on? :mad:

Any other link?? :(

Cheers! :D

[the mark]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

On a day everyone is looking at the sun, you go and post this!!!.

Thank you.

[simulacra]

Jeeez! The only thing that knocked my socks off and blew my top was the message, "Address Not Found!" What the heck's going on? :mad:

Any other link?? :(

Cheers! :D

The videos in the link are from Disclose.TV

http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172

Same videos on youtube. You could try the disclose site as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8UHS2T1hc

[skunksmash]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/applause.gif


BRAVO!!!!! :D

cheers mate......thats the best thing ive watched in a while.


oooh... rhetorical questions on route....


what are the Vector objects in the sky..?? are they a life-form, or actual craft..??, i would of just said ''craft'' but seeing that 1400AD painting the artist made a clear distinction between the UFO & what appeared to be flowing objects heading toward the sun...??

''space elevators'' WTF.... those lines are fascinating, as are the backgrounds blacked out by those lying pigs....

& the discs that traversed the surface, lighting up the ground...?? maintenance of some kind..??, they looked AMAZING. :D:D

the moon predating our planet also fits in with the story of it being brought here..... the vibrations from the lunar module crash is also undeniable evidence of a hollow moon...

& the color up there is breathtaking......

BRILLIANT STUFF.......;)




:)SK

[gripit]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

Outstanding, a must watch!! Thanks watchzeitgeistnow :)

So...why the hell is NASA really planning to bomb the Moon on Oct 9th??!! Hmm...

[dankai]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

Can you send us a link in English?

[dankai]

Outstanding, a must watch!! Thanks watchzeitgeistnow :)

So...why the hell is NASA really planning to bomb the Moon on Oct 9th??!! Hmm...

I think, (imo), it's to enfuriate certain groups watching us. E.T.'s watching us. There are many that want this planet.

What value does gold have? why is it valuable? We can't eat it, it cannot sustain us. So why is it considered intrinsically valuable to us?

Age old stories tell of mining operations that occured more than 250,000 years ago for this very ore. Perhaps our world is a battleground for materials for another. Just a thought. Feel free to aim and fire.

[mikesingh]

The videos in the link are from Disclose.TV

http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172

Same videos on youtube. You could try the disclose site as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8UHS2T1hc
Thanks simulacra! Got it! Excellent vids!!

Cheers! :D

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Now mikesingh is the reason for my interest in the Moon!
...and he is being modest and has his owh youtube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_li5XJimk
Sorry Mike - it's too good not to promote on your thread! :P

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Hope I ain't flogging a dead horse here but...
Part II I just finished yesterday!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZQoo3s-NzM
Enjoy!:)

[gripit]

I think, (imo), it's to enfuriate certain groups watching us. E.T.'s watching us. There are many that want this planet.

What value does gold have? why is it valuable? We can't eat it, it cannot sustain us. So why is it considered intrinsically valuable to us?

Age old stories tell of mining operations that occured more than 250,000 years ago for this very ore. Perhaps our world is a battleground for materials for another. Just a thought. Feel free to aim and fire.

Hey dankai! Hope all is well ;) I highly recommend you read this, it's a 21 page PDF doc in Icke's free stuff section. One theory is we've been 'trained' to mine gold and see value in it, despite how common a metal it is...cuz the Annunaki are coming back for it in 2012!! Trust moi, it's worth the read :)

http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=10

The Properties Of Monatomic Gold By Reg Presley

This article from Reg Presley's book "Wild Things They Don't Tell Us" looks at the subject of monatomic gold. Were ancient cultures such as the Egyptians technologically backwards or literally light years ahead? This article will surprise you. A fascinating delve into superconductivity.

[guuna]

Great pics.

Interesting the ones of an alledged base on Mars, as well as the tracks on the moon from 1967, maybe signs of a covert space programme in operation parrallel the the 'official' one.

[cruise4]

I posted some vids yesterday that included a bit about the moon. It's claimed it was a laboratory for spreading life but retrofitted with weaponry to protect earth when the pleideans (possibly) failed to honour their agreement. This was Diana's project and repressed memory of the event is why people are wishful when looking at the moon. Even little green men were mentioned as real aliens really living there and the surface was littered with dust etc. by the Reptilians or their allies. He also claims its responsible for the periods of women and various other negative effects and soon the drive crystals, which were removed, will be found again and the moon driven off to orbit mars. Great stuff.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71874

[sexi_co]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!


Crickey mate! You were not wrong!!

What an excellent video!!

Get the full video here -> (torrent (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/103829833/moon+rising?tab=summary)) with an extra 'Moon Veiws' video. The torrent isnt showing any seeders, but i downloaded it in about 45 mins.

I cant thank you enough for this little gem. I think we need to raise awareness of this film.

:):D;)

[mikesingh]

Here's some strange stuff lying on the Moon! These images were taken by the the Russian Luna probes.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Luna13a.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Luna17c.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Luna17b.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Luna9.jpg

Cheers! :D

http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogMoon.htm

[mikesingh]

More interesting stuff on the Moon! Check this out.....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpiresNew1-1.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonDome.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpires36.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonMoretus-Curtius.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpires31.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpires30.jpg

Cheers! :D

[morrist0]

Im not sure if anyone has seen 'Data's Head' found on the moon?

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/5.jpg

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/6.jpg
coloured enhanced

This is part of a much larger high resolution photo of Shorty crater taken by apollo astronauts Schmitt and Cernan
Go here for more info

http://www.enterprisemission.com/datashead.htm
Excerpt from Hoaglands book - Dark Mission

[morrist0]

Sorry the quality isnt the best. I have a better pic somewhere

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/zond3a.jpg

This was taken by the russian zond 3 lunar space probe back in the 60s.
I have a colour version somewhere I will upload soon if I can find it.

[mikesingh]

Sorry the quality isnt the best. I have a better pic somewhere

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/zond3a.jpg

This was taken by the russian zond 3 lunar space probe back in the 60s.
I have a colour version somewhere I will upload soon if I can find it.

Hi morrist0! I've studied the Zond images but do not find Hoaglands 'miles high towers' that he's shown on his site as in the image above.

Here's the exact same image where Hoagland says the 'tower' exists. This has been taken from the images published in the Atlas Obratnoi Storony Luny. I've applied all the available filters to get hold of it but don't see hair nor hide of that so called tower! I wonder if he can explain what process he has used? And then there are a few more images taken by Zond 3 of the same area, but no 'towers' are visible. If a tower did indeed exist, then this should have been visible in the other images as well.

But Hoagland seems to have avoided doing that because that so called tower of his may be nothing else other than just pixellation on that one image!

Here is that image from Zond 3 taken from the Atlas. I've marked in red the area where that 'tower' should be. I've experimented with all available filters, but see nothing out there! (Hoagy does trip up many a time!)

Here's the image...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Zond3A.jpg

Much as I would have loved to see a tower there, but.......

Here's a link to the original Zond 3 image:

http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogMoon.htm

Cheers! :D

[a_bassist]

Some great stuff in this thread!
Thanks for posting.

[elton]

Mikesingh,

From what you posted I'd rather trust you than Hoagland!

[morrist0]

Hi mikesingh

Im eager to see more of your pics!!


Its interesting the tower is not in the other pics. I guess you have to take a lot of this stuff with a pinch of salt. You may very well be correct. Although im sure Ive seen a colour photo somewhere. Is it possible the photos and information given to the authors of Atlas Obratno Storony Luny were sanitised before hand? Im just keeping an open mind.


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/sphinxonmars1.jpg
Sphinx on mars - Pathfinder landing site. The pyramid is supposedly located at 19.5 degrees N 33 degrees W. The numbers 19.5 and 33 are recurring on other objects on Mars eg Cydonia and its surrounding objects, as well as NASA's landing times. They seem to have an obsession with having certain stars such as Sirius at 33 degrees on the horizon when landing their space craft which would take considerable calculation and timing to a tee. So why such a big obsession?

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/sphinxonmars.jpg
and again

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/mire2.jpg
Mare Crisium Spire - moon. Possible pixellation?

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/viking1image.jpg
Landscape of mars. Photo on the left is before NASA turn up the red gains in technicolour red
Photo on the right is after. Photos taken by Mars Pathfinder

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/marsexpressgustavcrater.jpg
Gusev crater. Pic on the right is before NASA altered the photo. Photo taken by Mars Express

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/buzz.jpg
I thought this was an interesting pic of Buzz Aldrin proudly showing off his masonic ring after landing on the moon.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/zond3.jpg
Mikesingh, I think this is the same photo as yours?? I got this from the same set of photos that had the 'mile high tower'. There is a supposed lunar dome located on the bottom right corner. Note absence of 'mile high tower'.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/zonddome.jpg
zond lunar dome close up. Possibly another film anomaly.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/morrist0/towerandshard.jpg



:)

[mikesingh]

Thanks for those excellent images! There's no doubt NASA (Never A Straight Answer!) has manipulated the colors of the Mars images! That sucks! Take a look at this Viking image...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marscolor2.gif
Viking on Mars.
Courtesy: MSSS

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marscolor1.gif

The first is the untouched one from NASA. The second image is what I think it actually is after I reduced the red tinge.... Note the degree of saturation of the colors of the US flag in the first image. It's clear as day that the image has been re-colorized by NASA! Jeeez!

And an original of Mars during a press presentation by JPL/NASA...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marscolors.gif

Just like the color on Earth, what? This one probably slipped out by mistake!! Notice the same image (second embedded image to the lower right of this one) which was re-colorized to make it look reddish! That's now the official image. You won't find the one projected on the screen anywhere. Its been yanked off NASA's web site and Mars albums!! So what the heck's happening?

If you want to see what a 'tower' looks like on the Moon, here are a couple. But beware, these may be glitches in the images! We'll probably never know until we get our boots on the Moon!!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpires28x-1.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonPillar.gif
Thanks to Keith Laney for this image.

More later! Cheers! :D

[tjohn]

I think, (imo), it's to enfuriate certain groups watching us. E.T.'s watching us. There are many that want this planet.

What value does gold have? why is it valuable? We can't eat it, it cannot sustain us. We can eat it - in the monoatomic form. :D

[tjohn]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070605_mars_hole.html

Deep Hole Found on Mars
By Leonard David (newsspace@aol.com)
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
posted: 06 June 2007
08:44 am ET

A very dark spot on Mars could be an entrance to a deep hole or cavern, according to scientists studying imagery taken by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The geological oddity measures some 330 feet (100 meters) across and is located on an otherwise bright dusty lava plain to the northeast of Arsia Mons, one of the four giant Tharsis volcanoes on the red planet.

The hole might be the sort of place that could support life or serve as a habitat for future astronauts, researchers speculated.

Must be deep

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) used its High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) instrument to draw a bead on the apparent deep hole (http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070605_mars_pit_02.jpg&cap=This+feature+on+Mars+is+a+candidate+cavern+ent rance.+It+is+northeast+of+Arsia+Mons+%E2%80%93+one +of+the+four+giant+Tharsis+volcanoes+on+the+red+pl anet.+Credit%3A+NASA%2FJPL%2FUniversity+of+Arizona ) — a feature that may cause more scientists to ponder about potential subsurface biology on Mars.

Because the spot lacks a raised rim or tossed out material called ejecta, researchers have ruled out the pit being an impact crater. No walls or other details can be seen inside the hole, and so any possible walls might be perfectly vertical and extremely dark or — more likely — overhanging.

HiRISE image specialists said the pit must be very deep to prevent detection of the floor from natural daylight, which is quite bright on Mars.

In April, it was announced that the NASA Mars Odyssey and its Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) found near the equator seven dark spots (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070402_mm_mars_caves.html) that scientists think could be entrances to underground caves.

Meanwhile, MRO is ready to target the dark spots on Mars over the coming months as opportunities arise, explained HiRISE principal investigator, Alfred McEwen, of the University of Arizona in Tucson.
"We especially want oblique images from the west, to see illuminated walls. These are deep holes with overhanging walls, but perhaps not long caves," McEwen told SPACE.com.

Cave dwellers

Caves on Mars gives rise to thinking about subsurface life on the planet, notes Peter Smith, principal investigator for NASA's next outbound mission to that distant and dusty world, the Phoenix lander (http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070510_phoenix_ksc.html).

The deeper and deeper you go down on Mars, the warmer and warmer it gets, Smith said, and at some point the conditions are just right where liquid water is stable.

Moreover, could caves be linked to underground fractures allowing water vapor to be trapped inside, Smith speculates, perhaps the sort of comfy environment ideal for biology.

Smith said caves on Mars are an exciting find. "We can't say what's in the caves. It's just that they exist. It is hard to tell from orbit. Landers can follow up on these discoveries."

Penny Boston, director of cave and karst studies at New Mexico Tech in Socorro, New Mexico, has been working on a Caves of Mars Project, funded by the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts.

Not only are natural caves of biological interest, Boston says, they could also serve as habitats (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_caves_000321.html) for future human explorers — nifty underground housing to protect against the high-radiation environment (http://www.space.com/news/061023_space_radiation.html) of Mars. Additionally, caves offer easier subsurface access for direct exploration and drilling, she suggests, and may provide extractable minerals, gases, and ices.Well, for some reason, I could not paste directly from that site but had to paste it into Word, before copy and paste to here.

I have a much better picture of the hole from a year or two ago but how do I get it on here?

It is really amazing and it can be seen to be a vertical tunnel going straight down, with the sunlight lighting up one side of the entrance of the tunnel. To me it does not look like a 'natural' hole but it looks like it has been excavated - by someone.

I have put it here:
https://magma.dns-systems.net/secure/truth009/004847_1745_cut_b720.jpg

...but how do I get such pictures onto this forum?


I don't believe it! I have just edited this post and it has gone!

So here again is a less secure URL to the picture.

http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/004847_1745_cut_b720.jpg

I ask, how can that be a hole that is 'natural'?

re-edit:
Now where has the picture gone???

re-edit:
Now it's back!

[morrist0]

mikesingh i dont understand why NASA would want to hide the fact that mars's atmosphere looks ALOT like our own. What is their obsession with making people think its a lifeless baron red planet? That one at JPL must have slipped through the net.

tjohn set up an account with photobucket,upload the photo and paste the direct link as an inserted image on your post

interesting pic of the black hole btw!! Is there any more? Id like to see its surrounding landscape!

[tjohn]

mikesingh i dont understand why NASA would want to hide the fact that mars's atmosphere looks ALOT like our own. What is their obsession with making people think its a lifeless baron red planet? That one at JPL must have slipped through the net.

tjohn set up an account with photobucket,upload the photo and paste the direct link as an inserted image on your post

interesting pic of the black hole btw!! Is there any more? Id like to see its surrounding landscape!Welcome to the forum, morrist0! :)

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070528.html
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/121/mars-dark-hole.htm

However you notice that the hole is more black than it was a couple of years ago. Are they trying to hide something I wonder?

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/121/1-121-official-distant-view.jpg

[morrist0]

thanks tjohn :) Ive been lurking around for a while but thought Id start contributing, especially to the moon and mars topics.


wow thats huge!
Olympus Mons is a well known volcano how did the they not spot this before?
Seems that it may have been recently formed or created

[enico]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

Fantastic video. So basically they did go to the moon and the conspiracy that they didnt is just disinfo to hide the stuff that they actually found there:)

Also reminds me of George Kavassilas talking about the green men up there in Our Journey & The Grand Deception thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71874&highlight=George+Kavassilas

[bsmurph83]

brilliant thread, it's really kicking my arse. thanks to all posters of pic's, links, etc

awesome. simply awesome.

methinks the floodgates shall be opening soon....


NASA = Never A Serious Anomaly (that's mine but ya can borrow it :P)

[tjohn]

The following pictures are taken from M1501228 a year or so ago but when doing a Google search it seems to have now disappeared!

I wonder why...

However, I do have some pictures of parts of M1501228, and also a cut down version of what someone else did as a video from that (now) missing picture file.

The video is around 33 Mega Bytes so if you want to watch it, it might be best to download it first...

http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/Mars-M01501228.mpg.

It is in mpeg2 format which is compatible with DVD but if anyone wants a different format, don't hesitate to let me know.

Some pictures from M1501228:
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/a.jpghttp://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/d.jpghttp://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/e.jpgI know it sounds incredible but those pictures look like some sort of giant molluscs and snails to me. Notice the last one, e.jpg where it seems to have tentacles coming from the object or creature! Then who knows what scale of life is on other planets - especially when having less oxygen and a lower gravity than earth?
.

[morrist0]

Those snail type thingies look like conduits or pipes?

[supertzar]

The book Extraterrestrial Archaeology by David Hatcher Childress comes highly recommended to readers of this thread. It is full of pictures from NASA and the Russian space agency of moon and Mars anomalies.

[jamesc]

The book Extraterrestrial Archaeology by David Hatcher Childress comes highly recommended to readers of this thread. It is full of pictures from NASA and the Russian space agency of moon and Mars anomalies.

Cheers, will look it out sounds very interesting.:)

[chattanova]

The book Extraterrestrial Archaeology by David Hatcher Childress comes highly recommended to readers of this thread. It is full of pictures from NASA and the Russian space agency of moon and Mars anomalies.

Yes it's a good one, I got it :cool:

[morrist0]

cool will have to check this book out

[tjohn]

http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/a.jpghttp://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/d.jpghttp://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/e.jpgGoing back to the snail things, have a good look at the 'craters' they are in - as can be seen by the lack of splash marks around them, they are not craters!

So when we really look, it becomes obvious especially when viewing the last one, that the dint is caused by the thing which moves around inside the dint. So as incredible as it may seem, I suggest that these giant snails are living creatures.

Would that be one reason why we cannot find the original picture file that had these on it?

.

[tjohn]

Would that be one reason why we cannot find the original picture file that had these on it?

.Ah I stand corrected... though Google does not come up with any results for m1501228, it's here:
http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/m15012/m1501228.html

Zoom in on the pictures on left hand side of the page or see the whole image here: http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/display/MGSC_1104/m15012/m1501228.imq.jpg

[cruise4]

What a phenomenal video... my disgust for the people keeping this all secret has no words, deeply sickening.

What's the concensus on those so called space elevators? Or is the jury out. Is the suggestion their base is above orbit? Seems they would have been spotted if they reach down to the surface. Or was he saying it's where photos overlap in the Sky/Universe coverup?

I literally feel sick after watching that or else I've got Swine Flu :D

[tjohn]

http://www.hallofthegods.org/2009/07/moon-anomalies-indian-chandrayaan.html

Recently, China unveiled a three-dimensional map of the lunar surface with data from its Chang’e-1 mission, while Japan has released some imagery from its lunar orbiter, Kaguya, including the landing site of the Apollo 17 spacecraft. However, photographs taken by India’s Chandrayaan (Sanskrit for moon-vehicle) lunar orbiter are superior, due to higher resolution cameras and a lower orbit height of 100 km. The Terrain Mapping Camera (TMC) is one of the key payloads on the Indian orbiter. The TMC has been mapping the lunar surface, at a resolution of five metres, through lenses capable of capturing images at three angles simultaneously. The Chinese camera is three-dimensional but only has a resolution of 200 metres, and the Japanese camera has 10 metre resolution.


India is one of only three nations currently with active lunar orbiters. Chandrayaan-1 will remain in orbit for two years from launch in order to conduct a comprehensive geological survey of the lunar surface. While Chandrayaan traverses the circumference of the moon approximately twelve times each day, the camera is operational for two to three orbits. During the 20 minute photographing in each orbit, the TMC captures images over an area of 1,700 km in length and 20 km in width. Chandrayaan-1 has transmitted tens of thousands of images of different types since its launch on October 22, 2008. The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) now holds a massive data base regarding the moon’s surface and craters.


There is convincing evidence that both NASA and the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) has censored or altered satellite imagery, pointing to the existence of artificial structures and artefacts on the lunar surface.


Perhaps we are finally close to some real disclosure now - if for no other reason than that there are growing numbers of international probes orbiting the lunar surface. The Indian Vedas and other ancient texts preserve details that point to an ancient, highly advanced civilization that existed during the last ice age - when the Moon (and possibly other bodies in the solar system) were once inhabited. On Earth this civilisation was swept away by catastrophic changes in climate and sea level. But on the moon buildings would survive for tens of thousands of years, untouched by earthquakes, volcanoes and giant tidal waves. If there is to be revelation of the discovery of ancient structures on the moon, then there could be no more fitting a nation than India - descendants of the mighty Rama Empire – to bring the astounding truth to the world.


Shown below is a selection of photographs of strange structures on the lunar surface. They have been sourced from the Apollo and Clementine data bases, or from other websites. Sourcing locations and codes, where available, are given in other blog posts on this website. I place the images here as a taster, for hopefully amazing photographs that will eventually come from the current lunar missions.


http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/BUILDING_MINUS-70_137-766229.gif (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/BUILDING_MINUS-70_137-766543.gif)


http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/OBSCURED-Moon-STRUCTURE-768412.gif (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/OBSCURED-Moon-STRUCTURE-768416.gif)


http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/STRUCTURES-IN-ArchimedesCrater-798224.jpg (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/STRUCTURES-IN-ArchimedesCrater-798417.jpg)


http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730625.jpg (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640.jpg)

^:eek:^:eek:^



http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/Apollo-15-pipes-image-799332.jpg (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/Apollo-15-pipes-image-799336.jpg)


http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/TOWERS-64_265-797998.gif (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/TOWERS-64_265-798344.gif)


http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/SQUARE_72_108-776249.gif (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/SQUARE_72_108-776560.gif)



http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/High-Res-Tower-AMI_EAE3_001856_00042_00038-%5B2%5D-749303.JPG (http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/High-Res-Tower-AMI_EAE3_001856_00042_00038-%5B2%5D-749306.JPG)

[cruise4]

Bob Dean's personal statement (video)

We are not alone and we have never been alone

http://www.projectcamelot.org/

[mikesingh]

mikesingh i dont understand why NASA would want to hide the fact that mars's atmosphere looks ALOT like our own. What is their obsession with making people think its a lifeless baron red planet? That one at JPL must have slipped through the net.

Hi morrist0! Well the PTBs wouldn't want to let on the possibility of Mars having life! That's a no-go at this juncture. So it's best to show Mars as a red planet and not like the 'colors of life' as on Earth. A blue sky and a colored landscape would point to the existence of life. Red shows it to be barren and lifeless with no traces of water and other elements.

So why hide the fact that there could be life on Mars? Here are the reasons:

My take is that any disclosure of life on another planetary body whether primitive or advanced, especially the latter, would have wide ranging ramifications. Even the disclosure of primitive life forms would mean that advanced civilizations are a reality not only in the universe, but within our own galaxy and probably nearer home in star systems just a few light years away. In other words, there could be very advanced cultures right in our neighborhood!

What will be the short-term and long-term effects of such disclosure on people, institutions, and cultures?

• General panic in vast segments of populations leading to breakdown of law and order. This, of course, would vary profoundly in different cultures and between groups within societies.

• Profound emotional and intellectual consequences resulting in a sea change in attitudes and human values.

• The fear of disintegration of our society when confronted by a superior one, becoming a ‘slave’ race as a consequence.

• Stock markets again crashing around the world due to fear and uncertainty resulting in an economic melt down with across-the-board consequences.

• Far reaching implications on our religious belief systems.

So now you know what you are up against! If you were in a position of authority in the government would you opt for disclosure? Maybe not! At least not yet.

Perhaps graduated disclosure is what is needed and probably already happening. But it would need a paradigm shift and evolutionary change in the human psyche to accept and absorb the reality that we are not alone, but just a miniscule part of the greater whole of universal life in the cosmos.

Today, for most, it is incomprehensible that there could be advanced alien cultures probably billions of years ahead of us spiritually and technologically. How many can accept that? Our thinking is driven by our religious belief systems, that we are the only intelligent species God created in the universe. How can there be others more advanced than us?

That said, let’s consider the positive side of what would happen if there was disclosure resulting in open contact and interaction with technologically and spiritually advanced extra terrestrial cultures. This, needless to say, after we’re ready for it, perhaps a few decades in the future:

• The birth of humanism, a system of thought that rejects religious beliefs and centers on humans and their values, capacities, worth and the welfare of humanity as a whole.

• Graduate into a Type 1 civilization harnessing free, unlimited energy, and utilizing all its forms and manifestations in a positive way for the common good of mankind. There would be no wars of domination for oil, an inefficient and non renewable source of energy. We would finally break out from the energy stranglehold to become a truly planetary civilization.

• Control of weather and radiation for ideal crop management throughout the world. There would be no hunger, no children dying of starvation.

• Join the so called Galactic Federation (If there is such a thing) for the overall progress of mankind on the spiritual and technological planes.

• Reaching out for the stars – the final frontier - with advanced technology that we can only dream of at present.

• The renaissance of the human spirit, graduating to a higher plane of existence.

• Finally, through the doorway to the grandeur of a Type 2 civilization, harnessing the energy of the galaxy in the not too distant future.

But as per Dr Edgar Mitchell: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure.”

I think not! The paradigm shift in the human psyche to comprehend, understand and accept would probably take several decades, maybe more, as I’ve mentioned earlier. So don’t be under the impression that disclosure by the governments is close at hand. It’s not going to be - at least not in our lifetimes! We’re not ready yet and more importantly, there’s too much at stake here.

Disappointed? Well, that’s the way it is!

Have a nice day!

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

Shown below is a selection of photographs of strange structures on the lunar surface. They have been sourced from the Apollo and Clementine data bases, or from other websites. Sourcing locations and codes, where available, are given in other blog posts on this website. I place the images here as a taster, for hopefully amazing photographs that will eventually come from the current lunar missions.


Thanks for those images tjohn! But here's something that may interest you...

Here’s an image of another similar triangular shaped object, but this time on Mars!! Check out the shape and the protrusions along the longer edge. I have no idea what the heck this all means, but the odds of an identical image anomaly on two different space bodies millions of miles away, taken at very different times and equipment are astronomical - unless they are similar artificial objects in operation on the Moon as well as Mars?

This is the object on the Moon, seemingly smudged out partially by NASA…

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonUFO2.gif
Latitude = -35 (not 35)
Longitude = 208
This is the original image taken from the Clementine image browser
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clib/

And this one is on Mars which is three miles wide at its widest section, the left vertical edge!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/TriangleMars.gif
Viking.
Latitude 22.5 degrees, longitude 203 degrees
Enlarged 400%
Courtesy: NASA

I've been scratching my head since I saw this coincidence! Now it's time you scratch yours!! LOL! ;)

Cheers! :D

[cluas]

Now it's time you scratch yours!! LOL! ;)

Cheers! :D

Hey Mike !!

*Scratching*

Thanks, cheers :D

[tjohn]

Bob Dean's personal statement (video)

We are not alone and we have never been alone

http://www.projectcamelot.org/Got a direct link to that?

[tjohn]

Thanks for those images tjohn! But here's something that may interest you...

Here’s an image of another similar triangular shaped object, but this time on Mars!! Check out the shape and the protrusions along the longer edge. I have no idea what the heck this all means, but the odds of an identical image anomaly on two different space bodies millions of miles away, taken at very different times and equipment are astronomical - unless they are similar artificial objects in operation on the Moon as well as Mars?

This is the object on the Moon, seemingly smudged out partially by NASA…

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonUFO2.gif
Latitude = -35 (not 35)
Longitude = 208
This is the original image taken from the Clementine image browser
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clib/

And this one is on Mars which is three miles wide at its widest section, the left vertical edge!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/TriangleMars.gif
Viking.
Latitude 22.5 degrees, longitude 203 degrees
Enlarged 400%
Courtesy: NASA

I've been scratching my head since I saw this coincidence! Now it's time you scratch yours!! LOL! ;)

Cheers! :DYeah but what did you think of this one that was not smudged out?

http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640.jpg

Turned and lightened a touch..
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/%7Etruth009/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640-.jpg

[elton]

Yeah but what did you think of this one that was not smudged out?

http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640.jpg

Turned and lightened a touch..
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/%7Etruth009/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640-.jpg


I'm sorry but for some reason I can't get this one out of my mind. It looks like a d.............

[jamesc]

Hi morrist0! Well the PTBs wouldn't want to let on the possibility of Mars having life! That's a no-go at this juncture. So it's best to show Mars as a red planet and not like the 'colors of life' as on Earth. A blue sky and a colored landscape would point to the existence of life. Red shows it to be barren and lifeless with no traces of water and other elements.

So why hide the fact that there could be life on Mars? Here are the reasons:

My take is that any disclosure of life on another planetary body whether primitive or advanced, especially the latter, would have wide ranging ramifications. Even the disclosure of primitive life forms would mean that advanced civilizations are a reality not only in the universe, but within our own galaxy and probably nearer home in star systems just a few light years away. In other words, there could be very advanced cultures right in our neighborhood!

What will be the short-term and long-term effects of such disclosure on people, institutions, and cultures?

• General panic in vast segments of populations leading to breakdown of law and order. This, of course, would vary profoundly in different cultures and between groups within societies.

• Profound emotional and intellectual consequences resulting in a sea change in attitudes and human values.

• The fear of disintegration of our society when confronted by a superior one, becoming a ‘slave’ race as a consequence.

• Stock markets again crashing around the world due to fear and uncertainty resulting in an economic melt down with across-the-board consequences.

• Far reaching implications on our religious belief systems.

So now you know what you are up against! If you were in a position of authority in the government would you opt for disclosure? Maybe not! At least not yet.

Perhaps graduated disclosure is what is needed and probably already happening. But it would need a paradigm shift and evolutionary change in the human psyche to accept and absorb the reality that we are not alone, but just a miniscule part of the greater whole of universal life in the cosmos.

Today, for most, it is incomprehensible that there could be advanced alien cultures probably billions of years ahead of us spiritually and technologically. How many can accept that? Our thinking is driven by our religious belief systems, that we are the only intelligent species God created in the universe. How can there be others more advanced than us?

That said, let’s consider the positive side of what would happen if there was disclosure resulting in open contact and interaction with technologically and spiritually advanced extra terrestrial cultures. This, needless to say, after we’re ready for it, perhaps a few decades in the future:

• The birth of humanism, a system of thought that rejects religious beliefs and centers on humans and their values, capacities, worth and the welfare of humanity as a whole.

• Graduate into a Type 1 civilization harnessing free, unlimited energy, and utilizing all its forms and manifestations in a positive way for the common good of mankind. There would be no wars of domination for oil, an inefficient and non renewable source of energy. We would finally break out from the energy stranglehold to become a truly planetary civilization.

• Control of weather and radiation for ideal crop management throughout the world. There would be no hunger, no children dying of starvation.

• Join the so called Galactic Federation (If there is such a thing) for the overall progress of mankind on the spiritual and technological planes.

• Reaching out for the stars – the final frontier - with advanced technology that we can only dream of at present.

• The renaissance of the human spirit, graduating to a higher plane of existence.

• Finally, through the doorway to the grandeur of a Type 2 civilization, harnessing the energy of the galaxy in the not too distant future.

But as per Dr Edgar Mitchell: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure.”

I think not! The paradigm shift in the human psyche to comprehend, understand and accept would probably take several decades, maybe more, as I’ve mentioned earlier. So don’t be under the impression that disclosure by the governments is close at hand. It’s not going to be - at least not in our lifetimes! We’re not ready yet and more importantly, there’s too much at stake here.

Disappointed? Well, that’s the way it is!

Have a nice day!

Cheers! :D


Hi ,mikesing, hope you are doing ok and keeping well.Your above reasons and points about discloser are possible and i do agree on most of them. I have always thought about the real possibility of who is really in control of the gradual discloser.What if its not the PWSAB but the ET or inter-dimensional intelligencies.What if they were the ones who were wating and judging when they think we are ready, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.The PWSAB might not hold all the cards here in so far as the emergence of these intelligencies in hard physical unequivocal proof.Just a view i have had for a while now but the following article from Strieber is very interesting in what he thinks about eventual open contact.


A New World, if We can Take It.:cool:
Sunday April 26th, 2009

It is now clear that a mistaken policy of 'shoot 'em down' by the United States Government, pursued with vigor at least through the 1950s by the US Air Force, ruined any chance of meaningful contact with our visitors during that period, and up to the present.
Last year, the British Ministry of Defence released documentation indicating that a pair of American pilots, one of them Milton Torres, had been ordered to fire upon a UFO over the United Kingdom on May 20, 1957. Dr. Torres, still very much alive, then came forward and told the story that he had been ordered to keep secret by the Air Force.

The UFO, he said, was the size of an aircraft carrier. When he and the other pilot involved armed their rockets, it simply disappeared from their radars and they did not fire.

This was not the only time that the Air Force engaged UFOs. The reason that this must be true is that the pilots were scrambled without warning, and immediately ordered to fire. There was no need to obtain prior permission from the Ministry of Defence. The orders were already in place and the policy behind them decided. Otherwise, there could have been no scramble order over a foreign country, let alone an order to fire armed missiles over the territory of an allied country without prior permission. They had permission. This is why they were able to act immediately.

It still goes on. Despite Air Force denials, FAA radar records showed conclusively that jets rose to meet the objects that appeared over Stephenville, Texas in 2008, so it can be assumed that, at the very least, the Air Force continues to defend its "airspace" with all the intelligence and usefulness of a yapping terrier.

This policy caused contact to fail. As such, it is not simply the greatest mistake in recorded history but the greatest mistake in the biological history of the species. Certainly, the United States wishes to continue to conceal this secret at almost any cost.

This is because the blocking of contact has had such dire effects. It has blocked our evolutionary path and left us trapped on a planet that is becoming unable to support us and could, more or less at any time, start malfunctioning in ways that could induce a massive dieback of our species.

The mistake was not made only because people like Harry S. Truman and Curtis LeMay were foolish, belligerent and ill-prepared. They had just come out of the most horrific war in history, only to discover that, in the Soviet Union, they had a new enemy every bit as insane as the old one. And now, suddenly, a bizarre and entirely unpredictable presence appears. Pro-Soviet? Communists from another world, perhaps? Or, simply, a fearful new unknown?

Who knows what went through their minds? But the outcome in policy is clear: they decided to protect their airspace.

And now we have to live with the consequences. But do we, really? Might not there be another chance?

Of course there is another chance. But it does not involve our existing authorities and institutions. In fact, it has nothing to do with institutional authority except insofar as it must stand aside in order for contact to proceed.

As matters now stand, if there was an admission at the highest levels of the US government similar to that already made by numerous other governments, there will follow an effort to manage information flow by directing the media to NASA, the US Air Force and such quasi-governmental groups as the MUFON leadership.

However, these groups probably have little to nothing of any value to offer. From all appearances, they think of the situation as involving intelligent entities from another planet or planets who function according to policy and, in some way, have institutions like ours that formulate and direct their policies.

In reality, the way the visitors function and what happens to people in their proximity suggests that they perceive the world very, very differently from the way we do. For example, when you are face to face with the small gray beings that form such a large part of the presence we see, and figure so extensively in its folklore, there is no sense that you are with people. Rather, it's like being with animals who are much more intelligent than you are. This is because there is absolutely no cultural familiarity at all. None.

How can officials engage with somebody whose meaning lies beyond a gap far more vast than that between us and, say, dolphins? We haven't the slightest idea what cetaceans may be saying to each other, or even what language means to them, if anything. And our visitors--even those who appear to engage with us verbally--are far, far more different from us than any earthly species.

No, official control of contact is going to fail just as certainly as the official policy of shoot first has failed.:cool: For us to have useful contact, it is going to be necessary to engage directly and personally, and the visitors--thankfully--will regard the end of the final obstacle, which is official denial and belligerent display, as a signal to open themselves to more personal interaction than before.:cool:

If, in addition to the end of official denial and the constant scrambling of armed aircraft, there comes a properly constituted and new effort to understand by scientists who work outside of the U.S. government--for example, in the academic community--then there will also be a response. The more accurate the conclusions that enter scientific culture, the richer and more complex the visitors' reaction to them will become. Useful understanding will lead to the appearance of more information.

The release of the much vaunted "secret knowledge" supposedly in possession of the US government probably doesn't much matter.:cool: It has most likely been obtained, for the most part, by people who lacked any real ability to interact with our visitors, and not only has little value, it might even be tainted by inaccuracies, incorrect conclusions and falsehoods that are designed to make us feel a need to hide behind the authority of the very institutions that would be releasing the supposed 'bombshells,' in an effort to terrify us into preserving them.:cool:

One of the visitors once said that what was on offer for mankind was 'a new world, if you can take it,' meaning both that we must be able to wrest it from their hands, and to bear it when we do.:cool:

Certainly, the government and its associated entities have a role to play. It remains up to them to find the courage to disclose the truth, which is that they know that an unknown intelligence is present here. Beyond that, the primary directions contact will take are two. First, and most important, it will be between individuals and the visitors, without any institutional barrier such as some NASA or Air Force officials directing our actions or laws restricting or channeling contact. Second, it will involve scientists working publicly on data that can be readily obtained in dozens of different ways, to make sense of contact in terms that are meaningful to us.

Thus the evolutionary process that was interrupted in the 1940s can resume. The beginning of it is now quite clear: government admits the validity of the phenomenon, then steps aside and lets the people work to forge it into a human reality.

If and when this happens, history will look upon it for what it will prove to be: the end of the first stage of human evolution and the beginning of the second. It is that large a change.

Of course, if they do nothing, then it will proceed anyway, but only when the social order has so broken down that government can no longer offer resistance to the visitors, and the people are sufficiently desperate to turn to them anyway. Under conditions of such chaos and suffering, though, it will be far less effective, and what might take fifty or a hundred years during a period of organized social patterns such as we enjoy now, will take thousands of years, and may even require a whole new cycle of collapse to complete itself.

So, a great deal rides on whether or not a single man has the courage to tell the truth. "Ladies and gentlemen, we have known for some time that a nonhuman intelligence appears to be present here. Beyond that, we have learned little of any value. Our own forces will now stand down, in the hope and expectation that the people and public sector science can learn more, and gain for mankind the value that appears to be available to us.":)

That would be the first step in what would become, truly, a journey to a new world.:)


http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=363

[mikesingh]

Yeah but what did you think of this one that was not smudged out?

http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640.jpg

Turned and lightened a touch..
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/%7Etruth009/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640-.jpg

OK, here's the explanation:

The caduceus like object protruding into the view from the middle and right edge of the image is actually the boom of the gamma ray spectrometer on the Apollo spacecraft. A detector at the end of the boom measured the concentration of radioactive materials on the lunar surface along the ground track of the spacecraft.

Here is an image that'll clear things up a bit. Note the red line (Left) where two images have been stitched together. The boom appears on the edge of the left image. The boom seen toward the right is also on the edge of the image:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/ApolloMoonBoom.jpg

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

I have always thought about the real possibility of who is really in control of the gradual discloser.What if its not the PWSAB but the ET or inter-dimensional intelligencies.What if they were the ones who were wating and judging when they think we are ready, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
Hi jamesc! Thanks for that very interesting post! You mentioned that what if it's not the PTBs but ETs who are to decide whether they should disclose or not. Agreed!

Well, first, the points I've raised for why there may be no disclosure at this juncture is probably the reason why the ETs don't want to disclose just yet. They may think we may not be ready at this point in time. We are probably not prepared mentally and emotionally for a revelation of such magnitude.

Second, consider that the universe (according to us) is 15 billion years old. Our Solar System came into existence only approx 5 billion years ago. There may have been systems that came into existence much earlier, even 10 billion years ago. Civilizations this old would have evolved spiritually and technologically to such an extent that they would be almost unrecognizable! Imagine, we have achieved the technology for space flight within a couple of thousand years after the wheel was invented. Now think of civilizations BILLIONS of years ahead of us in technology!!

For them we are so far behind that they may not even consider it worth their while in making any sort of contact with us. Would we try to make contact with ants on an isolated ant hill? We wouldn't! This analogy perhaps describes why there may not have been any real contact so far.

Take SETI, for example. We are trying our darndest for the last half a century to receive an ET signal, but failed so far. Why? Because SETI is trying it’s best for a response from ET by the antique methodology using the good old radio waves for propagation. Is it any wonder they have not received a ‘reply’ as yet? Are they barking up the wrong tree? Apparently, communications in the electromagnetic spectrum is passé! At least for advanced ET races.

Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) has several papers on esoteric subjects, one of which contains details of Quantum Gravitational Antennas for instantaneous communications across the Universe! And there’s more…

The GCC (Gravity Control Cell) antenna radiates graviphotons and gravitational waves simultaneously. Thus it is not only a gravitational antenna, but a Quantum gravitational antenna because it can also emit and detect gravitational Virtual quanta (graviphotons) which in turn can transmit information instantaneously from any distance in the universe without scattering.

Well, that's just for starters! So why the heck is SETI wasting money on trying to communicate with ETs using derelict methods?

Anyway the point is, why on Earth should ETs (even Type I) contact us? As yet we have not even reached a fraction of a Type I civilization! You've got a long way to go baby!!

Cheers! :D

[jamesc]

Hi jamesc! Thanks for that very interesting post! You mentioned that what if it's not the PTBs but ETs who are to decide whether they should disclose or not. Agreed!

Well, first, the points I've raised for why there may be no disclosure at this juncture is probably the reason why the ETs don't want to disclose just yet. They may think we may not be ready at this point in time. We are probably not prepared mentally and emotionally for a revelation of such magnitude.

Second, consider that the universe (according to us) is 15 billion years old. Our Solar System came into existence only approx 5 billion years ago. There may have been systems that came into existence much earlier, even 10 billion years ago. Civilizations this old would have evolved spiritually and technologically to such an extent that they would be almost unrecognizable! Imagine, we have achieved the technology for space flight within a couple of thousand years after the wheel was invented. Now think of civilizations BILLIONS of years ahead of us in technology!!

For them we are so far behind that they may not even consider it worth their while in making any sort of contact with us. Would we try to make contact with ants on an isolated ant hill? We wouldn't! This analogy perhaps describes why there may not have been any real contact so far.

Take SETI, for example. We are trying our darndest for the last half a century to receive an ET signal, but failed so far. Why? Because SETI is trying it’s best for a response from ET by the antique methodology using the good old radio waves for propagation. Is it any wonder they have not received a ‘reply’ as yet? Are they barking up the wrong tree? Apparently, communications in the electromagnetic spectrum is passé! At least for advanced ET races.

Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) has several papers on esoteric subjects, one of which contains details of Quantum Gravitational Antennas for instantaneous communications across the Universe! And there’s more…

The GCC (Gravity Control Cell) antenna radiates graviphotons and gravitational waves simultaneously. Thus it is not only a gravitational antenna, but a Quantum gravitational antenna because it can also emit and detect gravitational Virtual quanta (graviphotons) which in turn can transmit information instantaneously from any distance in the universe without scattering.

Well, that's just for starters! So why the heck is SETI wasting money on trying to communicate with ETs using derelict methods?

Anyway the point is, why on Earth should ETs (even Type I) contact us? As yet we have not even reached a fraction of a Type I civilization! You've got a long way to go baby!!

Cheers! :D


Hi mikesingh, cheers for taking the time to reply and also in highlighting the failures of the current SETI set up.You are correct in your theory's on some advanced ET intelliginces having billions of years in advancement in technology, spiritual and mental evolutions.The " Quantum Gravitational Antennas for instantaneous communications across the Universe and more" sounds a very possible way of sieving out intelligent response signals from ET sources. Hopefully they will bare much fruit soon or in the future.:)

[tjohn]

OK, here's the explanation:

The caduceus like object protruding into the view from the middle and right edge of the image is actually the boom of the gamma ray spectrometer on the Apollo spacecraft. So why isn't it out of focus?

And, what is it stood on that we cannot see?

[tjohn]

... For them we are so far behind that they may not even consider it worth their while in making any sort of contact with us. Would we try to make contact with ants on an isolated ant hill? We wouldn't! Some people do study ants in great detail.

The GCC (Gravity Control Cell) antenna radiates graviphotons and gravitational waves simultaneously. Thus it is not only a gravitational antenna, but a Quantum gravitational antenna because it can also emit and detect gravitational Virtual quanta (graviphotons) which in turn can transmit information instantaneously from any distance in the universe without scattering.So why are human scientists still looking for the elusive graviton to prove its existence?

... So why the heck is SETI wasting money on trying to communicate with ETs using derelict methods? Good point and I agree that it is a waste of money. We discovered radio a few decades ago but others of much more advanced technology, will likely have other means of communication.

Anyway the point is, why on Earth should ETs (even Type I) contact us? As yet we have not even reached a fraction of a Type I civilization! You've got a long way to go baby!!"Baby" might be the right word if they created us
.

[jaylox]

has anyone got some good images themselves?

with the power of scopes some of you guys have you must of found interesting images?

damn i cant wait to win the lottery and buy a top notch scope lol
jay

[tjohn]

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=363Brilliant article! Thanks for that! :)

[tjohn]

has anyone got some good images themselves?

with the power of scopes some of you guys have you must of found interesting images?

damn i cant wait to win the lottery and buy a top notch scope lol
jayHi Jay, I once had a computer program that simulated the lottery. I left it running for the equivalent of two hundred years (with an entry every 'day') and it had still not won a Jackpot! On average, it only 'won' a third of what was put in.

So my advice is that what you spend on the lottery, you instead use that money to save up for a telescope - that way it is not given to the chances of the lottery which are against you.

:) ?

[mikesingh]

So why isn't it out of focus?

Here's another image of the boom:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/ApolloBoom2.jpg

It's not out of focus because of the focal length of the camera.

Cheers! :D

[chattanova]

has anyone got some good images themselves?

with the power of scopes some of you guys have you must of found interesting images?

damn i cant wait to win the lottery and buy a top notch scope lol
jay

Yes, thefallguy and his friend J.L.W. are operating a 12" meade scope.
He have posted a bunch of absolutly amazing videos over the time, lots from the moon. Check out his threads here and Im sure you will find something that satisfy you :) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2265786

[rodin]

Pictures are all very well. Anything we can see from Earth?

No?

So Images only come from establishment sources, right?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2218

[rodin]

Yes, thefallguy and his friend J.L.W. are operating a 12" meade scope.
He have posted a bunch of absolutly amazing videos over the time, lots from the moon. Check out his threads here and Im sure you will find something that satisfy you :) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2265786

I would like to see this thread but linky no worky

[chattanova]

I would like to see this thread but linky no worky

Here is one thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59158, for more just enter his profile and go to 'statistics' - 'show all thefallguys threads' for more.

And here the majority is posted http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15852

[majorion]

NASA have been at the forefront of this great cover up from the very beginning. I dont think I need to see any more pictures of amazing structures and other features in order to convince myself of what some diligent researchers (ie; mikesingh), whistle blowers, and other theorists have been trying to tell us all along.

I also think that Mr. Aldrin's recent comments on C-Span have been too easily dismissed as a "joke" by most "status-quo" people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws

It gets down to this. Those covering all this up do not consider this type of secrecy as anything immoral or evil in any way. They see it as a shield. A protective barrier. A cape for us from the truth that may hurt us or change our very nature. At the most basic level humans are separated, we have nations and borders, races and colors, religions and sects, wealth and poverty. And in our current state, where war is still waged over resources like oil, whose usage has been proven to be toxic to our environment, and dominance for world power still drives the power hungry, I'm sorry to say that is exactly what the PTB dont want. They dont want us to view our civilization as a collective whole. They dont want us to see past our borders, except if with hate and more enthusiasm for war, undoubtedly a mindless populous motivated directly by the mass media.

Anyways great thread guys, keep it up!

Cheers,
Majorion

[kasalt]

NASA have been at the forefront of this great cover up from the very beginning. I dont think I need to see any more pictures of amazing structures and other features in order to convince myself of what some diligent researchers (ie; mikesingh), whistle blowers, and other theorists have been trying to tell us all along.

I also think that Mr. Aldrin's recent comments on C-Span have been too easily dismissed as a "joke" by most "status-quo" people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws


Thanks for posting that video clip, Majorion. I've been wanting to see that ever since I first heard in the news that Aldrin had made that statement.

I've done some image searching on what it was Aldrin might have been referring to, and I found this:

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2007/phobos-monolith.jpg

"Recently, researchers Lan Fleming (http://www.vgl.org/) and Efrain Palermo (http://palermoproject.com/) produced a provocative analysis of an apparent "monolith" on Phobos' surface. The "monolith," shown above, appears to be an unexpectedly tall outcropping. Since it appears in isolation and contradicts the surrounding terrain, an argument can be made for artificial origin." (Source (http://www.mactonnies.com/imperative7.html))

http://www.mactonnies.com/monolith2.jpg

http://www.mactonnies.com/monoliths.jpg

Apparently, there is more than one such anomalous object:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/artivision/docs/imaeros10b.jpg

[who elsie]

You want to see something that will knock your socks off??
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172
Enjoy Moon Rising - The truth abouth about the moon revealed!

Astonishing - mind blowing - Moon red pill! Enjoy!

Hey! Cheers for the link. That's an incredible series of vids! Some mindblowing images! Needs to be seen more widely.

Thanx also to mikesingh for starting this fascinating thread. Not read all of it yet, but will do. Great stuff guys! :)

[tjohn]

Here's another image of the boom:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/ApolloBoom2.jpg

It's not out of focus because of the focal length of the camera.

Cheers! :DSo, why can't we see what you say it is attached to???

BTW, that is a different object to the one I posted.

http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640.jpg

On both pictures we can see the shadow of the base - how do you explain this?

Thanks for the picture which only adds to the hypothesis that intelligent life is active in the universe, including on the Moon (and on Mars). Thanks for that.

[tjohn]

Thanks for posting that video clip, Majorion. I've been wanting to see that ever since I first heard in the news that Aldrin had made that statement.

I've done some image searching on what it was Aldrin might have been referring to, and I found this:

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2007/phobos-monolith.jpg

"Recently, researchers Lan Fleming (http://www.vgl.org/) and Efrain Palermo (http://palermoproject.com/) produced a provocative analysis of an apparent "monolith" on Phobos' surface. The "monolith," shown above, appears to be an unexpectedly tall outcropping. Since it appears in isolation and contradicts the surrounding terrain, an argument can be made for artificial origin." (Source (http://www.mactonnies.com/imperative7.html))

http://www.mactonnies.com/monolith2.jpg

http://www.mactonnies.com/monoliths.jpg

Apparently, there is more than one such anomalous object:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/artivision/docs/imaeros10b.jpgThanks for this, if they were simply rocks that fell out of the sky they would have made craters - but they didn't, so they do indeed seem to be artificial structures

[mikesingh]

Apparently, there is more than one such anomalous object:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/artivision/docs/imaeros10b.jpg

Right! And here's a computer simulation of that object keeping various parameters in mind including shadows, slope, and surrounding terrain...

http://www.artivision.fr/docs/ErosStructure3D.jpg

Well, I'll be damned! :confused: Was Phobos some kind of an 'outpost' on Mars made by an ET civilization, maybe hundreds of thousands of years ago? Or is it still so?

What with all the weird, unexplained anomalies on Mars and Phobos, there could be some element of credibility to this, though it’s pure conjecture so far.

Here's what a White House adviser said. Though this is of the 60s vintage, it shows the thinking in the White House in the days of yore. But it could be the thinking today too! Who knows?

The Martian moon Phobos, generally accepted as a celestial body, actually may be an artificial satellite launched long ago by an advanced Martian race, according to Dr. S. Fred Singer, special adviser to President Eisenhower on space developments. No mention was made of the other Mars moon, Deimos.

Dr. Singer backed a claim first made by the Soviet astrophysicist Shklovsky. The Russian scientist's announcement that Phobos was a hollow, artificial satellite, proving the existence of a Martian civilization, set off heated arguments among astronomers. Shklovsky based his decision on a long study of Phobos' peculiar orbit, which other astronomers have noted. The Russian claim has calculations and those of earlier astronomers prove Phobos cannot possibly be an ordinary moon.

In 1963, Raymond H. Wilson Jr., Chief of Applied Mathematics at NASA, joined Shklovsky and Dr. Singer in their Martian conclusions. He stated that "Phobos might be a colossal base orbiting Mars."
http://www.rense.com/general20/eisenhowerWH.htm


Here’s a weird formation on Phobos taken by Mars Global Surveyor. Do you notice it toward the upper left?

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/9_11_98_phobos_rel/phobos_release_c.gif
MOC image 50103 subframe near Stickney crater.
Courtesy: MSSS

I have zoomed in sharpened and reduced picture noise some…

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Phobos1.gif
Weird formation on Phobos.. Can this
be the remains of an artificial structure?


And now the Canadian Space Agency is leading a mission to Phobos named Phobos Reconnaissance and International Mars Exploration (“PRIME”). The PRIME science team has tentatively selected the monolith area as the target landing site! (Well, I wish NASA takes a leaf out of this and selects target landing sites near some of those numerous anomalies on Mars!)

Why Phobos?

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/phoboslastphoto.gif
Phobos – An alien docking station?

This famous infrared photograph was the last taken by the Russian probe, Phobos II before it lost contact (Destroyed?) with ground control. The cigar shaped object is more than 30 miles long!

And here's a pic of Phobos in all its glory! Note the strange markings...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Phobos-1.jpg
Color MRO view of Stickney Crater.

Cheers!

Sim courtesy: Artvision

[bsmurph83]

http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21172

Escamilla's film (Moon Rising) is friggin' brilliant. I'm very grateful to whoever it was here that posted the link first. Cheers

[morrist0]

wow awesome pics there mikesingh. I have never seen those phobos shots before! good stuff!

[joor]

Know we all know why they called the new microsoft operation system Windows 7

Great documentary

[jamesc]

How anyone can claim that there are no unnatural structural anomalies on the Moon and Mars and Phobia is beyond me,Ok everyone is entitled to their views but the levels of explaining way these unnatural structural anomalies is getting desperate as more information and pictures are slowly coming out.:cool:

[mikesingh]

Yep! Like these ones which were taken by the Apollo 17 astronauts. Images are from the LPI Apollo atlas. All I've done is to increase contrast and use the 'unsharp mask' filter. Here they are....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17B.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17E.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17g.jpg

What the....!!!

Cheers! :D

[elton]

Holy shit!

wtf is that thing behind the LM? Sorry to challenge but are you sure all you have done is do a bit of filtering?

How do NASA explain that big round thing?

[mikesingh]

Holy shit!

wtf is that thing behind the LM? Sorry to challenge but are you sure all you have done is do a bit of filtering?
Yep! You can do it too. Just use the 'unsharp mask' filter and turn up the contrast! That's it.

How do NASA explain that big round thing?
They don't! However, some may suggest that it's light reflection off the camera lens or a lens flare. Here's one from Apollo 14. I've marked the anomalies with red arrows...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonDome.jpg

If you ask me, I do feel that it's most probably lens flare, or glitches in the camera but cannot say for sure! Hoagland did mention the domes on the Moon! I haven't seen any so far except for the images above which may be nothing else than some light playing tricks on the camera lens.

But then I wonder what accounts for the other strange objects in the sky in the Apollo 14 image above and on the hills in the Apollo 17 image shown in the previous post.

Cheers! :D

[jamesc]

Yep! Like these ones which were taken by the Apollo 17 astronauts. Images are from the LPI Apollo atlas. All I've done is to increase contrast and use the 'unsharp mask' filter. Here they are....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17B.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17E.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17g.jpg

What the....!!!

Cheers! :D

Very ,very interesting MS, yet another smoking gun to add to list.:)

[chattanova]

Some mod has to stickify this thread.
Maybe also remove the 1st annual leeds exopolitics expo 2009 thread which is outdated.

This is seriously amazing discoveries, it could change the view for most sceptics out there.
Never abandon this thread mike :o:D

[majorion]

This is seriously amazing discoveries, it could change the view for most sceptics out there.

Hi chattanova,

Unfortunately I have to disagree. Them "skeptics" will never change their minds no matter what. If they call themselves "skeptics" then you can be sure that they are not. A true skeptic is one who always keeps the possibilities open.

In every single debate Ive had with all of them, even if you present them with all the hard evidence in the world, they still won't budge.

But don't worry, there are some people who would prefer to stay in their little comfy comfy cozy zone, stick to the status quo, and live the rest of their lives; either in denial, or working a full time job of suppressing this type of information, as I suspect this is absolutely the case sometimes.

What more do you need? You got Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper, Buzz Aldrin, and even Neal Armstrong (and quote; "behind truth's protective layers")...They and many others have been trying to tell us all along what's really going on. I'd have to be either deaf or blind Not to listen.

Cheers,
Majorion

[jamesc]

Hi chattanova,

Unfortunately I have to disagree. Them "skeptics" will never change their minds no matter what. If they call themselves "skeptics" then you can be sure that they are not. A true skeptic is one who always keeps the possibilities open.

In every single debate Ive had with all of them, even if you present them with all the hard evidence in the world, they still won't budge.

But don't worry, there are some people who would prefer to stay in their little comfy comfy cozy zone, stick to the status quo, and live the rest of their lives; either in denial, or working a full time job of suppressing this type of information, as I suspect this is absolutely the case sometimes.

What more do you need? You got Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper, Buzz Aldrin, and even Neal Armstrong (and quote; "behind truth's protective layers")...They and many others have been trying to tell us all along what's really going on. I'd have to be either deaf or blind Not to listen.

Cheers,
Majorion

True even when it is coming from the horses mouth it still is not enough.Denial for the reasons you have stated is a very powerfull medium and as we know these mediums are re-enforced daily and sysyematically by the PABs controlled media out lets.Let sleeping dogs lie but let them that choose to wake up gently shake the shoulders of those that lie sleeping,:rolleyes:

[rodin]

I will tell you what - these Pyramids and some other artifacts look pretty convincingly intelligent design.

And if I could photograph them for myself I would be a believer.

But consider the source - same shower that brought you the man in the moon

[chattanova]

http://img29.imagefra.me/img/img29/2/7/30/kennet/f_qc3yesgjen3m_d65e368.jpg

http://img29.imagefra.me/img/img29/2/7/30/kennet/f_7lk1ji4em_bfa99ef.gif

[rodin]

Hoaxes R Us

http://jayweidner.com/images/image054.png

http://jayweidner.com/images/image050.png

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIId.html

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74477

[cruise4]

Bob Dean at the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit, in which he showed a number of impressive, suppressed NASA images - and at the end of which Henry Deacon went on to the stage with Kerry Cassidy to state that he had been on Mars. This is a fantastic presentation and shows Bob Dean, 80 years old, word perfect, fluent, passionate, at his very finest.

[Note: this video is currently in high resolution. It may play jerkily on lower speed connections. We apologize if this is affecting you, and will fix this problem soonest.]

http://www.projectcamelot.org/
(Scroll down, on left)

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngvIP0Za9M

Link to previous Bob Dean talk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UvWGZMMINE

[mikesingh]

Hoaxes R Us.

You mean we didn't land on the Moon? Jeeez!
WE DID and there's no denying it. But the fact is that we are NOT being told the truth of what the astronauts found there.

40 rolls of film consisting of thousands of Moon photographs of the Apollo Moon missions were either destroyed or locked up in vaults and we may NEVER get to see them! So why did they do this? Because those images contain stuff that'll turn the world upside down!

For example, how many images from the failed Apollo 13 mission have you seen? Bob Dean, a command Sergeant major in the US Army who had a Cosmic Top Secret clearance (The highest classification, 21 levels higher than Eyes Only Top Secret!), managed to whisk away a couple of photographs before they 'disappeared'. Here's one taken by the Apollo 13 astronauts near the Moon that will astound you...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean.jpg
UFOs photographed during the
Apollo 13 mission.
Courtesy: Bob Dean.

And the close-up of that cigar shaped object:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean2.jpg

That cigar shaped object is 8 miles long!! Is it a hoax? Most likely not. And if these huge space ships are operating near the Moon, it's most likely they have a presence there - probably bases of some sort. And that's what we're seeing in many Moon photographs as unexplained anomalies! And the radio transcripts of the Astronauts themselves. Remember what Armstrong transmitted to Mission Control?

Mission Control calling Apollo 11...:

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

Here's an infra red image of a similar cigar shaped object thousands of miles long (!!!) that has been photographed by the Hubble Space Telescope in the rings of Saturn....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/SaturnHST.jpg

This corroborates the Apollo 13 photograph of the ubiquitous cigar shaped objects in our Solar System!

Are we the only intelligent species in the universe? I think not! There are more advanced civilizations partying around the cosmos than all the grains of sand on Earth and then some!

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

And guys, whilst studying NASAs future landing sites on Mars, I noticed an odd 'structure' in one of the areas selected. Why do they want to land here? Probably to investigate what the heck this 'structure' is.These images have been taken from the IAS Viewer with wavelet sharpening...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marslandingsitex.gif

Zoomed...

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8111/marte133aw8.jpg

Enhanced with filters in gray scale...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marsstructure1psd.gif
Source image: Courtesy: NASA

Cheers! :D

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Glad you put up Bob Dean's latest images from Apollo mike :)

Now someone asked about pyramids....
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/4195-h2.jpg look like pyramids to me - straight off the NASA LO site too :D

Are we all wondering why they are sending a bomb to the Moon by now? :rolleyes:

[jamesc]

You mean we didn't land on the Moon? Jeeez!
WE DID and there's no denying it. But the fact is that we are NOT being told the truth of what the astronauts found there.

40 rolls of film consisting of thousands of Moon photographs of the Apollo Moon missions were either destroyed or locked up in vaults and we may NEVER get to see them! So why did they do this? Because those images contain stuff that'll turn the world upside down!

For example, how many images from the failed Apollo 13 mission have you seen? Bob Dean, a command Sergeant major in the US Army who had a Cosmic Top Secret clearance (The highest classification, 21 levels higher than Eyes Only Top Secret!), managed to whisk away a couple of photographs before they 'disappeared'. Here's one taken by the Apollo 13 astronauts near the Moon that will astound you...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean.jpg
UFOs photographed during the
Apollo 13 mission.
Courtesy: Bob Dean.

And the close-up of that cigar shaped object:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean2.jpg

That cigar shaped object is 8 miles long!! Is it a hoax? Most likely not. And if these huge space ships are operating near the Moon, it's most likely they have a presence there - probably bases of some sort. And that's what we're seeing in many Moon photographs as unexplained anomalies! And the radio transcripts of the Astronauts themselves. Remember what Armstrong transmitted to Mission Control?

Mission Control calling Apollo 11...:

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

Here's an infra red image of a similar cigar shaped object thousands of miles long (!!!) that has been photographed by the Hubble Space Telescope in the rings of Saturn....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/SaturnHST.jpg

This corroborates the Apollo 13 photograph of the ubiquitous cigar shaped objects in our Solar System!

Are we the only intelligent species in the universe? I think not! There are more advanced civilizations partying around the cosmos than all the grains of sand on Earth and then some!

Cheers! :D

Astounding image of that cigar shaped UFO like you said we have these UFO pictures and Armstrong's transcript to mission control.Like i have said before too many smoking guns about these landings, GREAT PICS.:)

[mikesingh]

Now someone asked about pyramids....
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/4195-h2.jpg look like pyramids to me - straight off the NASA LO site too :D

Are we all wondering why they are sending a bomb to the Moon by now? :rolleyes:

Hi wZn! That was an interesting image. Can you provide the link to the original? Thanx! :D Chattanova's pyramids were pretty good too! And here's one for the road..(I'm sure you must've seen this one!)

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/slide18.jpg
SP243004
Courtesy: Metaresearch.

Cheers!

[morrist0]

Oh WOW Mikesingh youve done it again. 8 miles long!! Geebus!!! It looks like a submarine. Awesome!

The whole 'NASA faked the moon landing' was instigated by NASA in the first place to throw us off whats really up there.

This whole thread has inspired me to dig out my 12" meade telescope and start taking some photos of the skies again. Now if only I could see things in infrared....

[kasalt]

These videos are great:

Link 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc

Link 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RPWhigpQg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RPWhigpQg

Here's a link to one of the photos shown in the video of an apparent UFO over the moon, which comes from the Apollo 14 Image Library (http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/images14.html):

AS14-66-9295 (http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-66-9295HR.jpg)

[chattanova]

Egyptian Like Statue on Mars ?



http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/207023main_vincent-20071220.jpg
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread356078/pg1

http://img33.imagefra.me/img/img33/2/7/31/kennet/f_o3dnx6qdg8hm_03ce243.jpg

http://img33.imagefra.me/img/img33/2/7/31/kennet/f_o3dnx6qepdxm_c77decb.jpg

[chattanova]

Candor City, -Mars
exact location: 6°S, 72.5°W

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/7/31/kennet/f_1m_b2cb2a3.gif http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/7/31/kennet/f_2m_62dcb1c.jpg

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/7/31/kennet/f_i3nc9dx808hm_f8b4a33.gif http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/7/31/kennet/f_fpega35txgom_9b78b04.gif

+ Forests at Mars?

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/119/forest-biodiversity-10.htm

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/118/forest-biodiversity-9.htm

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/117/forest-biodiversity-8a.htm

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/116/forest-bio-diversity-7.htm

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/115/forest-life-biodiversity-6.htm

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/114/forest-biodiversity-5-1.htm

Inca City

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/7/31/kennet/f_p1r8ikmc0pem_aae09d2.gif http://img30.imagefra.me/img/img30/2/7/31/kennet/f_p1r8ikmc0r0m_94f2797.gif

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3449&page=2

[chattanova]

The Face on Mars (Cydonia) in 1958 Comic Book !

http://img32.imagefra.me/img/img32/2/7/31/kennet/f_gcs54hcjoo5m_eda6a2f.jpg

http://img27.imagefra.me/img/img27/2/7/31/kennet/f_ocd954cpa7wm_46059d3.jpg

http://img30.imagefra.me/img/img30/2/7/31/kennet/f_ocd954cml80m_45db78c.jpg

http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm

[chattanova]

Ruins at Mars ?

http://img27.imagefra.me/img/img27/2/7/31/kennet/f_4h7n78agfdem_b6d370d.jpg

http://img27.imagefra.me/img/img27/2/7/31/kennet/f_30advhlvyc7m_5606713.jpg

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2006/109/spirit-rock-growth.htm

[chattanova]

http://img32.imagefra.me/img/img32/2/7/31/kennet/f_mlmyunv4d48m_fb302fd.jpg

[chattanova]

The Martian Sphinx

http://img30.imagefra.me/img/img30/2/7/31/kennet/f_xysan8am_b9e7ebc.jpg

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Path-sphinx.html

[who elsie]

Great pics again Chat! :)

It's interesting that the original name for Cairo (home of the Giza pyramids & Sphinx) meant 'Mars'.

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Hi wZn! That was an interesting image. Can you provide the link to the original? Thanx! :D [/I]

Cheers!

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4195

And there they are smack bang in the middle next to the crater (we should all know these craters by name by now shouldn't we? :P)

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/4195_h2.jpg

Ahh what will we do if they tow the Moon back to Mars mike? I mean will they replace it with another Moon to ponder at? :P

The new LROC pictures are a joke - and as usual we are only getting selected portions of dull scapes. One day...one day...:)

[mikesingh]

The new LROC pictures are a joke - and as usual we are only getting selected portions of dull scapes. One day...one day...:)

Yep! One day....one day...A gazillion years from now, to be published in a galaxy far far away!! Jeeez! :mad:

Thanks for that link! Great find!

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

Chattanova, thanks for those images. The guys who haven't chanced upon them so far will find them very interesting! Spread the word through images - The truth is out there! We are not alone!

Keep up the good work! :)

Cheers! :D

[morrist0]

Excellent photos guys!!

[mikesingh]

Here's another photograph from Apollo 15...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo15A.jpg

Two objects. UFOs on the Moon? Or photographic glitches?

Cheers! :D

[chattanova]

Two utterly suspicious dome structures at the Moon, an outpost, or maybe a entrance to underground facilities :confused:

http://img27.imagefra.me/img/img27/2/8/1/kennet/f_q4ihlgjufqxm_3fe7a14.jpg http://img27.imagefra.me/img/img27/2/8/1/kennet/f_q9cc103cn9hm_21babbe.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-91-12403

[chattanova]

Mysterious X appearing on the Moon

http://img31.imagefra.me/img/img31/2/8/1/kennet/f_r69vlg8xgfgm_9b86305.jpg

(translated)

It could been seen 1st May, but is a shadow-phenomenon that can be seen every month when there's a sun rise above the 'Werner-crater', the sunbeams are lighten the area up so there's clearly a X visible to be seen.
(This was also visible 31th may 2009)

http://www.nettavisen.no/dagensbilde/article2617480.ece

[merla]

http://www.solarguard.com/tcvmintro.htm

I don't know if any of you have seen this before; the Tom Corbett view-master, it's a story about a group of cadets lead by Tom discovering artifacts on the moon and mars. It was made in the 50s and is very interesting to say the least.

[rodin]

Here's another photograph from Apollo 15...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo15A.jpg

Two objects. UFOs on the Moon? Or photographic glitches?

Cheers! :D

More on Apollo

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

I say the Mars pyramids are just as fake (same source) and so are your amazing images. Prove otherwise. How come you can image what others cannot?

[mikesingh]

More on Apollo

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

I say the Mars pyramids are just as fake (same source) and so are your amazing images. Prove otherwise. How come you can image what others cannot?

So how come you have taken what Weidner has written as the truth and nothing but the truth? Does he provide incontrovertible proof that the Moon landings were faked with the help of Kubrick?

The fact is that we DID land on the Moon but what we're being shown and told is not the entire truth! And that's why 40 rolls of Apollo film consisting of thousand of images simply disappeared. Where are they? Ask NASA. Why did they do this? Because the pics probably contained stuff that was too sensitive for public viewing.

And where are the missing 400,000 images taken by Clementine? Why weren't they published so far? Sounds fishy? You bet!

And see Bob Deans vid taken during the exopolitics conference recently. Having a Cosmic Top Secret clearance, I think he has much more credibility than Weidner who you think is an authority.

Cheers! :D

[kasalt]

The fact is that we DID land on the Moon but what we're being shown and told is not the entire truth! And that's why 40 rolls of Apollo film consisting of thousand of images simply disappeared. Where are they? Ask NASA. Why did they do this? Because the pics probably contained stuff that was too sensitive for public viewing.

And where are the missing 400,000 images taken by Clementine? Why weren't they published so far? Sounds fishy? You bet!

This video attempts to document evidence of lunar image tampering:

Direct link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22pk2polNeA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22pk2polNeA

[slodave]

I think, (imo), it's to enfuriate certain groups watching us. E.T.'s watching us. There are many that want this planet.

What value does gold have? why is it valuable? We can't eat it, it cannot sustain us. So why is it considered intrinsically valuable to us?

Age old stories tell of mining operations that occured more than 250,000 years ago for this very ore. Perhaps our world is a battleground for materials for another. Just a thought. Feel free to aim and fire.
gold dosen't oxidize, best conductor of electricity. were we planted here on earth for the sole purpose to mine gold for the aliens, and diamond crystals for interstellar communications. is the sole purpose of mankind to simply mine and store gold and diamonds for aliens? makes sense to me, but i am nobody. any other theorys.

[rodin]

This video attempts to document evidence of lunar image tampering:

Direct link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22pk2polNeA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22pk2polNeA

Nice video. What you say Michael?

[rodin]

gold dosen't oxidize, best conductor of electricity. were we planted here on earth for the sole purpose to mine gold for the aliens, and diamond crystals for interstellar communications. is the sole purpose of mankind to simply mine and store gold and diamonds for aliens? makes sense to me, but i am nobody. any other theorys.

theories :)

[venividivici2311]

Mysterious X appearing on the Moon

http://img31.imagefra.me/img/img31/2/8/1/kennet/f_r69vlg8xgfgm_9b86305.jpg

(translated)

It could been seen 1st May, but is a shadow-phenomenon that can be seen every month when there's a sun rise above the 'Werner-crater', the sunbeams are lighten the area up so there's clearly a X visible to be seen.
(This was also visible 31th may 2009)

http://www.nettavisen.no/dagensbilde/article2617480.ece

Looks like the ISS....:confused:

[rodin]

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/91077-object-moving-between-stones-mars-explain-skeptics-4.html#post1542154

This should be good

[rodin]

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/163/05-163-1833-100x.jpg

See that object on the ground just in front of split rock? Is that a leaf from one of them Martian banyan trees? :D

[mikesingh]

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/163/05-163-1833-100x.jpg

See that object on the ground just in front of split rock? Is that a leaf from one of them Martian banyan trees? :D

Here are some details to better understand how that object 'moved'. However, remember that this could possibly be due to camera angles - parallax. But this may not be the case.

If not, is it a lifeform or a rolling stone? That’s part of a rocky outcrop, seems to have shifted its position! Check out the three photographs which have been taken by the Spirit Rover Navcam that apparently show an object on the left that seems to have mysteriously ‘moved’ to the centre and then finally disappeared! Here are the three photographs…

There is no object visible in the center of the outcrop which I’ve marked with a white arrow:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/582e09dd6cf1.jpg
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1830/2N288828221EFFB000P0625L0M4.JPG

Now notice the object on the left of the outcrop. The yellow arrow indicates its apparent movement to its final position shown in the next photograph:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f865f68f1126.jpg
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1843/2N289976994EFFB0EOP0675L0M1.JPG

And now the final image which shows the object in the centre of the outcrop:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/00f55aede6c3.jpg
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1833/2N289093752EFFB074P1985L0M1.JPG

If you compare the first and last photographs, it looks like the object has moved either under its own steam or placed there!

More perplexing is the image taken three days later, below. There is NO object nearby that resembles the one that has now apparently disappeared! So where did it come from and where did it go?

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1836/2N289363474EFFB0A1P1985R0M1.JPG

Whatever, this one has got me stumped! I mean...moving objects on Mars? :o C'mon!

Cheers! :D


Photo credits: JPL/NASA
Thanks to Jo Skipper for discovering this very interesting anomaly!

[rodin]

Cross your eyes for stereo effect

http://www.bautforum.com/picture.php?albumid=113&pictureid=806

Thanks to http://www.bautforum.com/1534868-post18.html

[rodin]

Meanwhile - has anyone debunked the film evidence on the previous page showing staged sets???? Are these analyses correct??? Very important to know.

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

http://www.youtube.com/v/22pk2polNeA

[mikesingh]

Rodin, as I mentioned earlier, a large number of Apollo film rolls went 'missing', approximately 40 rolls consisting of thousands of images! How and why? Because much of what really the astronauts saw and photographed on the Moon has been hidden from the public for obvious reasons. And this from the horse's mouth.

In other words, we did land on the Moon but many of the gaps in the film rolls have been filled up by false images of the Moon. Too many missing frames would have raised suspicions.

So it is incorrect to contend that the entire Apollo program was a hoax! And don't forget to factor in the top secret military space program being run by the secret shadow government with the help of black projects. And the missing trillions from the treasury! There's stuff going on out there that will boggle the mind. Much of Star Trek technology is already in place and not all sci-fi after all! NASA is just a convenient smoke screen.

Why do you think they cut NASA's funding? Because it was transferred to black projects programs. And that's one of the reasons why NASA was kept out of the Moon program for the last 40 years. We're probably already there mining the Moon for Titanium and Helium! Have you heard of the secret astronaut corps? Well, that's for another thread!

Cheers! :D

[rodin]

Still waiting for a straight answer to my question

[mikesingh]

Still waiting for a straight answer to my question

So what is your question? :confused: :confused: I thought I've answered it? To repeat the crunch point, I mentioned that we did land on the Moon but many of the gaps in the film rolls that are missing have been filled up by false images of the Moon. Too many missing frames would have raised suspicions. So these could possibly have been 'staged'!

Cheers! :D

[rodin]

So what is your question? :confused: :confused: I thought I've answered it? To repeat the crunch point, I mentioned that we did land on the Moon but many of the gaps in the film rolls that are missing have been filled up by false images of the Moon. Too many missing frames would have raised suspicions. So these could possibly have been 'staged'!

Cheers! :D

Are the two videos I referenced claiming front screen projection techniques were used by NASA correct analysis or some kind of hoax themselves?

[mikesingh]

Are the two videos I referenced claiming front screen projection techniques were used by NASA correct analysis or some kind of hoax themselves?

This is probably true. The methodology used for the fake backgrounds could include this technique too. You'll be surprised when I show you some techniques they used for photographing the Moon using an alabaster globe several feet in diameter!!

Cheers!

[rodin]

This is probably true. The methodology used for the fake backgrounds could include this technique too. You'll be surprised when I show you some techniques they used for photographing the Moon using an alabaster globe several feet in diameter!!

Cheers!

Are you the person who has the amazing telescope that seems to do for astronomy what Rife did for virology?

[mikesingh]

OK, rodin! Hang on to your hat. This is going to blow you away!

Seen below is the 20' diameter sphere which can be rotated from below.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08a9f120.jpe

The sphere after modeling work....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08ba0120.jpe

This guy is checking if the craters are exactly to scale and layout, as craters shown on the lunar photographs previously taken by high magnification telescope and Lunar Orbiter Photos taken in 1965-1967.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08df88b0.jpe

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/091f48e0.jpe

This is how some of the Moon approach and orbit pictures were taken. So you don't usually see those stars!! How can you on a black background screen?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/098027c0.jpe

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/099307c0.jpe

But as I mentioned not all Moon images were faked!

Cheers! :D

All images courtesy: Pegasus research Consortium

[slodave]

theories :)
o.k. theories, where is there truth ?

[mikesingh]

Another interesting image of Shrodinger's crater, colorized....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSchrodingerx.jpg?t=1249388547

Cheers! :D

[majorion]

Hehe! Mike, that last one looks like magic mushroom land! :p

Anyways, yeah, since there's so much that NASA doesn't tell us as it is, I wouldn't put it past them to add some fiction to the Apollo missions and those photos.

NASA never lie!

[watchzeitgeistnow]

oi mike you know the deal...wheres the image number? :P
Looks a bit like this one http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/lo3-137-h2b22.jpg
same shaped looking object :P

I also see the *new* LORC images are showing rolling rocks aplenty. Is this to divert attention away from something else, or to try to rectify the original rolling rocks from the old LO pictures? Thanks! :)

[mikesingh]

Hi wZn! I owe you a Budweiser for that! I had included this image in my album quite some time ago but forgot to add the frame number! And I can't find that now! Jeeez! I'm like that ubiquitous friendly neighborhood village idiot! :( But I'll hunt that down. It's from Apollo.

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

So, why can't we see what you say it is attached to???

BTW, that is a different object to the one I posted.

http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploaded_images/CLEAR-TOWERS-730640.jpg

On both pictures we can see the shadow of the base - how do you explain this?

Thanks for the picture which only adds to the hypothesis that intelligent life is active in the universe, including on the Moon (and on Mars). Thanks for that.

Ok, here's a clearer image of that boom. This will hopefully clear all doubts! The smaller image above, which shows the boom half way into the image is because two images have been stitched together there as I had mentioned earlier and which is clearly visible.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

Cheers! :D

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

[mikesingh]

oi mike you know the deal...wheres the image number? :P
Looks a bit like this one http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/lo3-137-h2b22.jpg
same shaped looking object :P


OK, here it is. Check out that crater left of Shrodinger. By the way, this is from Clementine and not Apollo. Apologies!

http://lpod.org/coppermine/albums/userpics/schrodinger-clem1.jpg

Cheers! :D

[rodin]

This is probably true. The methodology used for the fake backgrounds could include this technique too. You'll be surprised when I show you some techniques they used for photographing the Moon using an alabaster globe several feet in diameter!!

Cheers!

I knew about the alabaster moon already :)

Seems the film anomalies must be real

http://www.bautforum.com/1543182-post158.html

The black mask around the earth may have a plausible explanation, but the screen stiching and horizons etc are going to be harder to explain.

If Kubrick DID use the same frontlit screen technique on some Moon sets this suggests strongly that no Moon landing was even made, because such would not be set up as a reaction to finding alien bases or suchlike after the first mission.

Same argument as explosives in WTC7

IMO the alien bases is part of the general Alien Invasion hoax agenda. Pictures from any establishment source may be fabrication even Martian Pyramids etc. Unless any of this can be verified by independent observation the weight of evidence lies towards yet another Hoaxes R Us stunt, for which there is plenty precendent, rather than an alien cover-up, especially as Roswell/Bill Cooper is very strong evidence of an alien hoax not to mention Werner Von Braun's late confession conspicuously absent from his Wikipedia entry.

Now about the person who takes the images of spacecraft/moon anomalies etc. How do we know he does not work for Hoaxes R Us?

[mikesingh]

Here's another LO image I forgot to include in the OP. I have colorized it for better identification. Look closely and you'll be surprised at what you see....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpiresG1.jpg

Cheers! :D

[kasalt]

This is my personal favorite from your website, Mike:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Ship_001_b.png

Apparent craft flying across the surface of the moon and casting its shadow beneath it!

For anyone interested in looking at this further, here's the link:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_03.html#V1.5

:D

[gripit]

Here's another LO image I forgot to include in the OP. I have colorized it for better identification. Look closely and you'll be surprised at what you see....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonSpiresG1.jpg

Cheers! :D

That middle part has the same shape of this apparent structure on Mars :)

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3283/mrofirstcolorgreentrian.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/mrofirstcolorgreentrian.jpg/)

[mikesingh]

Hi Kasalt! Yep! That's one of those intriguing images that's got many an expert scratching his head!

There are many vids from the Apollo command modules too showing bright objects moving across the Moon whilst the landers were on their way to the surface. Like this one from Apollo 11. Note the object to the left of the module going toward the top of the frames at the beginning of the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAdIIB-zYNs

Here's another one. This one from Apollo 12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KgNhHBxCik

All this is corroborative evidence that there IS something going on out there!

Cheers! Keep looking. :D

[relax]

Ok, here's a clearer image of that boom. This will hopefully clear all doubts! The smaller image above, which shows the boom half way into the image is because two images have been stitched together there as I had mentioned earlier and which is clearly visible.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

Cheers! :D

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

What the hell is that object on the right? Doesnt look like its part of the picture.

[majorion]

Now about the person who takes the images of spacecraft/moon anomalies etc. How do we know he does not work for Hoaxes R Us?

Hello rodin,

While there is no doubt that "hoaxes r us" indeed exists vast and far reaching as well as a plethora of disinformation on countless subjects, I disagree with this applying somehow to anomalies research.

The only possible way any of this could be a hoax, would be if those who originally publish these images are all masterful hoaxers. The main contender here would be NASA, correct?

But NASA, first and foremost, put so much effort into having you believe that our solar system is baron and lifeless, and that our Moon is just a dull gray rock. So there seems to be a contradiction there. Why would NASA put things in there photos when they are absolutely intent on denying these things exist?

Either way you look at it, whether you believe that Apollo missions were all a hoax, or whether you believe that we indeed went to the Moon, there's no doubt that NASA, USGS, and the other agencies are definitely keeping something very secret about our solar system from us.

I've seen way too many images of the Moon, Mars, Venus, Saturn, with (what myself and others believe are) artificial structures.

At first, it seemed like a fantasy when I began my research into this subject. But I think this heavily relates to UFOs. And if you've ever researched UFOs with great diligence, you'll know without a doubt that the phenomenon is very real, and whatever the conclusion is, it's certainly extraordinary.

Assuming the most likely hypothesis/explanation for UFOs is the ETH, then you start to look at it on a much bigger level, you start getting the picture on a cosmic scale, and it all makes sense.

Anyways just my two cents.

Regards,
Majorion

[rodin]

Hello rodin,

While there is no doubt that "hoaxes r us" indeed exists vast and far reaching as well as a plethora of disinformation on countless subjects, I disagree with this applying somehow to anomalies research.

The only possible way any of this could be a hoax, would be if those who originally publish these images are all masterful hoaxers. The main contender here would be NASA, correct?..

I see awful lot of anti Moon hoax posts almost verbatim this one

There is one simple way to prove that the landing was real. The whole Apollo program was a part of the cold war-era Space Race, which meant that both Russians and US were constantly watching each other. By 1969, Russians had their own satellites in space and were observing the whole program. If Americans tried to fake it, Russians would have exposed them, as they would say that they have not seen anyone in the orbit or on the moon, so Americans they had to do it for real.

Same team were running USSR and USA. The Alger Hiss/Harry Dexter White/McCarthy affairs proved that. I smell same team making these posts.

[rodin]

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

Light direction for big crater and spiral staircase shows 90 degree difference

[rodin]

Also base of boom is illuminated very bright. Could even be a spotlight on a boom shining on a model

[rodin]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3283/mrofirstcolorgreentrian.jpg

Green colouration looks like a landscape made for Warhammer. Something about the way the green does not convincingly blend with the relief features and seems instead to ride roughshod over the middle of rocks etc.

[mikesingh]

What the hell is that object on the right? Doesnt look like its part of the picture.

The object protruding into view from the right edge of the image is the boom of the gamma ray spectrometer on the Apollo spacecraft. A detector at the end of the boom measured the concentration of radioactive materials on the lunar surface along the ground track of the spacecraft.

The on-board camera was swiveled to the extreme right for taking this photograph of the Moon. That's why the boom is visible in this image.

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

Light direction for big crater and spiral staircase shows 90 degree difference
Eeep! That ain't a 'spiral staircase'!! :rolleyes:

Ok, check out the image below where I've marked with arrows the direction of light and shadows. There's no 90 deg difference!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonBoom.jpg

So there's no conspiracy here!! :p

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

Hi Kasalt! Yep! That's one of those intriguing images that's got many an expert scratching his head!

There are many vids from the Apollo command modules too showing bright objects moving across the Moon whilst the landers were on their way to the surface. Like this one from Apollo 11. Note the object to the left of the module going toward the top of the frames at the beginning of the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAdIIB-zYNs

Here's another one. This one from Apollo 12.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KgNhHBxCik

All this is corroborative evidence that there IS something going on out there!

Cheers! Keep looking. :D

I forgot to add a couple of more interesting images of objects photographed on the Moon. Here they are. I have sharpened and added a little contrast. These are video grabs from the link below.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonUFOs1.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonUFOs2.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonUFOs3.jpg

These objects seem to be playing follow-the-leader! They move from right to left and back again, following the larger leading object.

Cheers! :D



http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa2tu0_heryeyi-bildiyini-mi-sanyyorsun-y_tech?from=rss

[rodin]

Eeep! That ain't a 'spiral staircase'!! :rolleyes:

Ok, check out the image below where I've marked with arrows the direction of light and shadows. There's no 90 deg difference!

So there's no conspiracy here!! :p

Cheers! :D

Ah I was thinking that object was being touted as some sort of anomaly. Hence my post. OK it is a boom yes with a cable around it. That is what I thought. The light still looks a bit odd though

[mikesingh]

Hydro Projects On Mars?

An interesting image in the MOC strip linked below. Resembles a hydro power station with a lot of parallel water pipes going into a stream that probably once had flowing water!

Note the 'construct' on top of the right most 'pipe'.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/M7Hydrocopy.gif

Here’s a pic of the Cydonia region of Mars. Notice the parallel walled trench. Was it part of a canal system that is now in ruins? Probably a defunct hydro system?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MarsESO8.gif
Courtesy: ESA/DLR/AOL

This image resembles a hydro project!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marsspray.gif
From MOC narrow-angle image M11-00099
Courtesy: MSSS

That looks like some liquid flowing from a large diameter pipe system! Or probably was real time spray when photographed!!

Cheers! :D

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m19_m23/images/M20/M2000092.html

[rodin]

What is this footage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saMKVBHSfhs&feature=fvw

Is it genuine?

[cryst4l]

Ok, here's a clearer image of that boom. This will hopefully clear all doubts! The smaller image above, which shows the boom half way into the image is because two images have been stitched together there as I had mentioned earlier and which is clearly visible.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

Cheers! :D

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kiefer/Education/SSRG2-Craters/king.jpg

Duh, now I get it, thanks Mike :D:):D

[mikesingh]

ARTIFICIAL STRUCTURE ON MARS?


Here's something that may blow your socks off! Look carefully. Like the shape of a crossbow. It has been zoomed and other than the 'unsharp mask' filter no other enhancements have been used. Here it is....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MarsCity3-1.jpg

And here it is colorized and enhanced...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MarsCity3A.jpg

Artificial structure or natural geological formation?

Cheers! :D

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006243_1740

[majorion]

I find it interesting what they got written on this page here; http://isis.astrogeology.usgs.gov/

This is the home page for Isis, an image processing software package. The focus of the software is to manipulate imagery collected by current and past NASA planetary missions sent to Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and other solar system bodies

Manipulation indeed!

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Mike Bara - Dark Mission Secret History Of NASA seminar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB8OddqTilQ

*highly recommend! :)

[mikesingh]

I find it interesting what they got written on this page here; http://isis.astrogeology.usgs.gov/
Manipulation indeed!

Hmmm...Maipulation! Well, NASA's imagery dept has been juggling images since the age of the dinosaurs! So what's new?? ;) He! He!

But have a look-see here on what 'maipulation' could mean using ISIS.

The Los Alamos ISIS program is developing a set of software packages and reconfigurable computing hardware to enable rapid exploration and analysis of images and signals. Packages in the ISIS software suite build customized, robust, automated algorithms for feature extraction and analysis. With current sensor platforms collecting a flood of high-quality data, automatic feature extraction (AFE) has become a key to enabling human analysts to keep up with the flow.

The ISIS software packages produce AFE tools for features in multispectral, hyperspectral, panchromatic, and multi-instrument fused imagery. Both spectral and spatial signatures of image features are discovered and exploited.

More here....http://isis.lanl.gov/

Cheers! :D

[rodin]

Mike have any of your group ever tried to take on the sceptics at BAUT? I mean here you have an audience who WANT to believe.

[majorion]

Mike have any of your group ever tried to take on the sceptics at BAUT? I mean here you have an audience who WANT to believe.

Hello Rodin,

Actually, we did worse. We took on both those "skeptics" from BAUT and their friendly neighborhood debunkers at ATS. Which BTW, perhaps if you and many others had actually been there, you wouldn't keep asking this question.

I'm also interested in what exactly you presume that we "want" to believe.

[rodin]

Hello Rodin,

Actually, we did worse. We took on both those "skeptics" from BAUT and their friendly neighborhood debunkers at ATS. Which BTW, perhaps if you and many others had actually been there, you wouldn't keep asking this question.

I'm also interested in what exactly you presume that we "want" to believe.

Wanting to believe is rejoicing in the photograph of every anomaly instead of testing it to destruction. Just about everyone in this section of the forum is that way inclined.

ATS - I must check this out. I have not been everywhere :)

edit

if you provide linky I will go there

[deany]

Wanting to believe is rejoicing in the photograph of every anomaly instead of testing it to destruction. Just about everyone in this section of the forum is that way inclined.

ATS - I must check this out. I have not been everywhere :)

edit

if you provide linky I will go there

Hi Rodin,

I think you will find most people here have very open minds, but at the same time very balanced minds. we don't buy into any old shit, instead we consider the possibilities and yes we look for signs that could either be in favour or against information being true or false.

From what I have seen of your posts to date you do not have a very open mind instead you seem to reject pretty much everything before you even consider the possibilities that some things may actually be exactly what they appear to be....artificial for example.

apologies if I have misjudged you but that's certainly how you are coming across and if true you are not likely to be taken seriously on this site.

[rodin]

Hi Rodin,

I think you will find most people here have very open minds, but at the same time very balanced minds. we don't buy into any old shit, instead we consider the possibilities and yes we look for signs that could either be in favour or against information being true or false.

From what I have seen of your posts to date you do not have a very open mind instead you seem to reject pretty much everything before you even consider the possibilities that some things may actually be exactly what they appear to be....artificial for example.

apologies if I have misjudged you but that's certainly how you are coming across and if true you are not likely to be taken seriously on this site.

Being open minded does not mean to say you accept an unproven assertion (it was aliens) until you have checked out the possible and likely natural or man made origins of whatever evidence you present.

If you are not prepared to use the scientific method, the forensic method, the Occam's razor principle, your assertions are just that.

Evidence, not belief, reveals truth. Therefore evidence is the first thing that must be tested to see if it stands or falls.

As to whether i am 'taken seriously' time will tell, not you.

[deany]

Being open minded does not mean to say you accept an unproven assertion (it was aliens) until you have checked out the possible and likely natural or man made origins of whatever evidence you present.

If you are not prepared to use the scientific method, the forensic method, the Occam's razor principle, your assertions are just that.

Evidence, not belief, reveals truth. Therefore evidence is the first thing that must be tested to see if it stands or falls.

As to whether i am 'taken seriously' time will tell, not you.

fair comment Rodin and the practice you have just described is taken out by most on this site who I have come across.

but the practice also should work in both ways, to rule something out until you know for sure it is wrong is also naive and ignorant IMO.

[cruise4]

I'm not so sure we can "reveal truth", only expose lies.

scientific method, the forensic method, the Occam's razor principle

These are percieved as secondary effects of conciousness creating illusions, so are irrelevant to the 'real' debate which is 'are facts... facts. So a 'factual' approach only perpetuates possible ignorance, or... missing the point.

Volume and time are merely collective simulated constructs.

[rodin]

fair comment Rodin and the practice you have just described is taken out by most on this site who I have come across.

but the practice also should work in both ways, to rule something out until you know for sure it is wrong is also naive and ignorant IMO.

Not rule out but assign probability, otherwise you could spend a whole life establishing carrots were not communists

Got working relevant ATS links? Anyone?

[rodin]

I'm not so sure we can "reveal truth", only expose lies.

scientific method, the forensic method, the Occam's razor principle

These are percieved as secondary effects of conciousness creating illusions, so are irrelevant to the 'real' debate which is 'are facts... facts. So a 'factual' approach only perpetuates possible ignorance, or... missing the point.

Volume and time are merely collective simulated constructs.

Wrong. That's part of the deception. In fact they would exist even if we didn't. We just made up the words to describe, not the reality

[watchzeitgeistnow]

proof! ha!

To me a picture tells a 1000 words
*insert nice moon anomaly here* :P

This site sure has far less head bangers than other - dubious sites - but alas we are off topic! Someone paste a nice picture now! :P

... actually while I'm here ... hey mike who do you think owns the Moon? (this should be interesting :P) also by bombing the Moon (for whatever reason) doesn't this violate some "world law" about taking weapons into space? Thanks! :)

[kasalt]

The following images of this Mars crater taken 6 years apart show evidence of what may be water flowing on the surface:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/gallery/images/20061206a/PIA09028_a_anno_br.jpg

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/gallery/images/20061206a/PIA09027_c_anno_br.jpg

Source page: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/gallery/20061206a-gullies.html#allimages

[rodin]

Hello Rodin,

Actually, we did worse. We took on both those "skeptics" from BAUT and their friendly neighborhood debunkers at ATS. Which BTW, perhaps if you and many others had actually been there, you wouldn't keep asking this question.
I'm also interested in what exactly you presume that we "want" to believe.

You mean HERE???

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/

No way ANYTHING like BAUT. BAUT is a high IQ forum stuffed with Nassers and high freemasons and establishment engineers and scientists. ATS is more Tavistock just one step above GLP.

I will respect ANYONE who can take the heat @ BAUT.

[rodin]

@ Kasalt, if we really are looking at Mars then flow seems the logical conclusion. There is water there after all.

Life would not shock actually.

[cruise4]

Wrong. That's part of the deception.

You believe an opinion...

In fact they would exist even if we didn't. We just made up the words to describe, not the reality

I would have to say from that statement you don't yet truly understand the question.

But I've said my piece here.

[rodin]

Wrong. That's part of the deception.

You believe an opinion...

In fact they would exist even if we didn't. We just made up the words to describe, not the reality

I would have to say from that statement you don't yet truly understand the question.

But I've said my piece here.

Volume and time are not opinions they are measurable and observable quantities.

Explain how they are constructs rather than realities.

[redskywalker]

this thread is fechin awesome.

I love you all. I could cry with joy, relief and rage at the hiding of our truth, all at once. I wont though, I shall instead be uplifted in the knowledge that more see more daily. ROCK ON :D:D:D

[majorion]

No way ANYTHING like BAUT. BAUT is a high IQ forum stuffed with Nassers and high freemasons and establishment engineers and scientists

BAUT a high-iq forum? Obviously, you haven't encountered the "brightest" of BAUT, and they post at ATS, for your information. In fact, they get paid over there just to share their wonderful opinions about how lifeless our universe is. Not one thread is left alone without those opinions.

A percentage of Freemasons moderate at ATS.

I've also been to "unexplained mysteries". But I really wouldn't call these places a "challenge" or whatever. It's just got a bunch of people who work for NASA or some other government agency, and they get paid to go on the forums and say; "No, no, you're wrong, here's what's really going on!"

Why do I even waste my time?

If you're so concerned with what those "high-iq" persons have to say, then by all means...

As for myself, well I've heard it all thousands of times already. And have rebutted thousands of times. There's nothing specific that I 'want' to believe, but I've been lead down an incontrovertible path, however I never claim to know the definite truth. To each his own.

Best regards,

[rodin]

BAUT a high-iq forum? Obviously, you haven't encountered the "brightest" of BAUT, and they post at ATS, for your information. In fact, they get paid over there just to share their wonderful opinions about how lifeless our universe is. Not one thread is left alone without those opinions.

A percentage of Freemasons moderate at ATS.

I've also been to "unexplained mysteries". But I really wouldn't call these places a "challenge" or whatever. It's just got a bunch of people who work for NASA or some other government agency, and they get paid to go on the forums and say; "No, no, you're wrong, here's what's really going on!"

Why do I even waste my time?

If you're so concerned with what those "high-iq" persons have to say, then by all means...

As for myself, well I've heard it all thousands of times already. And have rebutted thousands of times. There's nothing specific that I 'want' to believe, but I've been lead down an incontrovertible path, however I never claim to know the definite truth. To each his own.

Best regards,

Here you present conspiracy material to a willing audience. Fine. Comfortable. I test out my theories against the very people I know are best equipped, and most highly motivated, to shoot them down.

I want to see how robust my theories are, where they are weak, that sort of thing.

Now you say you have proved yourself against people of the same caliber @ ATS and that these are actually BAUT posters in some cases. Yet you disparage me for doing similar at BAUT.

When you challenge the 'big boys' its proof of your strength. Yet when I try to do so, it's a waste of my and your time - how did you put it - 'Why do I bother?'

Could you perhaps link a thread or two in evidence of your ideas winning challenges v the brightest and best @ ATS (who are really from BAUT according to you)?

[majorion]

I test out my theories against the very people I know are best equipped, and most highly motivated, to shoot them down.

Actually, I'm not sure anyone even knows what your theories are supposed to be. What theories? Enlighten me.

Could you perhaps link a thread or two in evidence of your ideas winning challenges v the brightest and best @ ATS (who are really from BAUT according to you)?

Repeat after me, "Google is your friend". If you're really that interested.

Now I never said that anyone actually won any argument, on both sides it's always been this big stalemate, and IMHO, it's all been said and done. And anyone who was getting too hot at ATS would be banned. In essence, everyone of interest soon faded away. That's the reason I and many others had left, we got tired of telling people the same old stuff. I'm not actually here at davidicke's to present theories or really post at all, I'm here to enjoy the excellent posts of researchers like Mikesingh, Chattanova, Kasalt, to name a few.

If you wouldn't mind answering a question for me, Rodin. It says that you registered here July 2009, yet you already surpassed 400 posts. Would you care to explain this enigma as you litter the thread?

Best regards,

[rodin]

Join me on an adventure of discovery

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73423

enigma explained - time is short and there is much to say

Plus I have to do something while waiting for a buy signal

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/charts/big.chart?symb=uk%3Aitm&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=2&size=2&state=8&sid=1756975&style=320&time=7&freq=1&comp=NO%5FSYMBOL%5FCHOSEN&nosettings=1&rand=4941&mocktick=1

One of our 'HotPicks'

[dankai]

The Face on Mars (Cydonia) in 1958 Comic Book !

It's a tomb.

[pagan_ninja]

this may be of interest to some reading this thread

Richard C. Hoagland will appear at the Beyond Knowledge conference UK
12-13 Sep 2009
http://www.beyond-knowledge.co.uk/

[mikesingh]

proof! ha!
hey mike who do you think owns the Moon? (this should be interesting :P)
Hey wZn!

On July 20, 1969, Armstrong and Aldrin became the first humans to land on the Moon, manually guiding the LM to a landing at 20:17 UTC. This historic occasion was viewed on TV by an estimated audience of over 700 million people besides President Nixon who viewed the proceedings from the Oval Office of the White House.

So why didn’t the US claim the Moon? Was it because of the UN’s Outer Space Treaty that forbade it, or could there have been another reason? Was there an alien influence behind that as well? This sounds like familiar claptrap and beyond bizarre! Nonsense actually…Or is it?

Having said that, let’s take a look at a document co-authored by none other than Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, then Director of Advanced Studies Princeton, New Jersey, and father of the atomic bomb and Professor Albert Einstein.

Operation Majestic-12 was established by special classified presidential order on September 24, 1947 at the recommendation of Secretary of Defense James Forrestal and Dr. Vannevar Bush, Chairman of the Joint Research and Development Board. The goal of the group was to exploit everything they could from recovered alien technology.

Einstein and Oppenheimer were called to give their opinion, drafting a six-page paper titled “Relationships With Inhabitants Of Celestial Bodies.” They provided prophetic insight into our modern nuclear strategies and satellites, and expressed agitated urgency that an agreement be reached with the President so that scientists could proceed to study the alien technology.
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/intro.php


Extracts From The Paper, Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestial Bodies

“Res nullius is something that belongs to nobody such as the moon. In international law a celestrial [sic] body is not subject to the sovereignty of any state is considered res nullius. If it could be established that a celestrial [sic] body within our solar system such as our moon was, or is occupied by another celestrial race, there could be no claim of res nullius by any state on earth (if that state should decide to in the future to send explorers to lay claim to it). It would exist as res communis, that is that all celestrial [sic] states have the same rights over it.”

In short, the US, the Soviet Union, or any other human state on Earth could not claim the Moon as their exclusive property — because it was already occupied by extraterrestrials.
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/dec/m03-024.shtml

So was it the Outer Space Treaty that prevented the United States from claiming the Moon or was it because it was already occupied by extra terrestrials?

I'll leave that for you to surmise.....

Cheers! :D

Refs

http://www.weirdload.com/moon3.html
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/intro.php
Text of the Outer Space Treaty (http://www.state.gov/t/ac/trt/5181.htm)

[jamesc]

Being open minded does not mean to say you accept an unproven assertion (it was aliens) until you have checked out the possible and likely natural or man made origins of whatever evidence you present.

If you are not prepared to use the scientific method, the forensic method, the Occam's razor principle, your assertions are just that.

Evidence, not belief, reveals truth. Therefore evidence is the first thing that must be tested to see if it stands or falls.

As to whether i am 'taken seriously' time will tell, not you.



Physical proof and the constant demand for it by sceptics is their number one tool of defence in justifying , ridiculing or debunking anything that does not adhere to what we currently now off just now about technology and physics.:rolleyes: Be it UFOs ect physical proof is the last line of defence that most sceptics will defend rigorously to the end.Now this is very understanable and i for one can see that physical proof and scientific analyst is the only way most people will base their views and beliefs on.But what about if this evidence is presented or has the preference of being CIRCUMSTANTIAL, that is, not being in the "physical proof" department but justified non the less in its possible meaning and evidence.Such is and has been the cases of many UFO/ABDUCTION and contact experiences and reports over the years since Arnold's flying saucer descriptions of his sightings that pre-dated Roswell. Physical evidence is not the be all and end all , circumstantial evidence backed up my numerous witnesses, reports from well respected individuals, (scientists, military), cannot be discounted because of either a lack off or no physical proof.

"IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF ANYTHING UNTIL PROVED OTHERWISE THEN ITS ALWAYS POSSIBLE, FOR WHO IS TO SAY IN OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF PHYSICS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT IT CANNOT BE"..??;):cool:

[rodin]

Physical proof and the constant demand for it by sceptics is their number one tool of defence in justifying , ridiculing or debunking anything that does not adhere to what we currently now off just now about technology and physics.:rolleyes: Be it UFOs ect physical proof is the last line of defence that most sceptics will defend rigorously to the end.Now this is very understanable and i for one can see that physical proof and scientific analyst is the only way most people will base their views and beliefs on.But what about if this evidence is presented or has the preference of being CIRCUMSTANTIAL, that is, not being in the "physical proof" department but justified non the less in its possible meaning and evidence.Such is and has been the cases of many UFO/ABDUCTION and contact experiences and reports over the years since Arnold's flying saucer descriptions of his sightings that pre-dated Roswell. Physical evidence is not the be all and end all , circumstantial evidence backed up my numerous witnesses, reports from well respected individuals, (scientists, military), cannot be discounted because of either a lack off or no physical proof.

"IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF ANYTHING UNTIL PROVED OTHERWISE THEN ITS ALWAYS POSSIBLE, FOR WHO IS TO SAY IN OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF PHYSICS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT IT CANNOT BE"..??;):cool:

Witness statements are poor evidence. This is universally recognised. Forensic evidence is strong. It carries a million times more weight.

[monkeyboy]

and apparently here on earth? i was just messing around having a look on googlemaps and i found nellis bombing :) range behind area 51 take a close look at the craters? have a good look around at a few of them i can see buildings, tunnels, pipes and roads between them looks A LOT like moon rising? go to googlemaps then put in these coordinates 37.121064,-116.042848 :)

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5383/57672312a.jpg

[nihil]

Hi Guyz. For those who haven't read Zecharia Sitchen Books yet:

He states that the face on mars is a tomb of a King exailed from Nibiru .

Sorry for the incomplete and vague Quote, but I read it myself, maybe the

Book is the 12th Planet. But I'm not sure . Do you read Sitchen, People?

[monkeyboy]

and apparently here on earth? i was just messing around having a look on googlemaps and i found nellis bombing :) range behind area 51 take a close look at the craters? have a good look around at a few of them i can see buildings, tunnels, pipes and roads between them looks A LOT like moon rising? go to googlemaps then put in these coordinates 37.121064,-116.042848 :)

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5383/57672312a.jpg

some anommo-lies i have found. :)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3968/nellis2z.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9316/nellis3.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9383/nellis4.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7864/nellis5.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2272/nellis6.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7341/nellis7.jpg

[majorion]

Do you read Sitchen, People?

According to ex-illuminati ex 33rd degree freemason whistleblower Leo Lyon Zagami, he states that Zecharia Sitchen is a jesuit disinformation agent who is mainly responsible for seeding the disinformation scam known as "planet x", "niburu", "annunaki", and so on.

If you ask me, personally I find some of Sitchen's ideas plausible, but his main thesis is that of a prophetic lie.

As for physical evidence of UFOs/Extraterrestrials, there is the Bob White Object, there also is the Starchild Skull. Albeit both are debatable. For abductions, I would recommend and reference a Dr. Roger Leir for the most compelling evidence.

Best regards,

[decim]

The gospel according zero lagami?

The Moriarty of piracy cons.

[decim]

Follow 33 degree angles from the centre of the four corner states.

Many vistas aste la.

some anommo-lies i have found. :)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3968/nellis2z.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9316/nellis3.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9383/nellis4.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7864/nellis5.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2272/nellis6.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7341/nellis7.jpg

[mikesingh]

Ok guys, here's the latest video of mine in YouTube, Moon And Mars. The Never ending Story. The resolution sucks! Jeeez! But this will have to do for now.

There are some new anomalies pertaining to Mars including new faces etc. Some Moon stills are from my previous vid titled, Uncensored NASA Moon Images. I've selected the best ones from there and included them here.

Friends like Majorion and wZn may have already seen some of these images earlier on the other web site. But check out some new stuff here....

Enjoy! Cheers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0i3Mvrglek

[rodin]

Hi Guyz. For those who haven't read Zecharia Sitchen Books yet:

He states that the face on mars is a tomb of a King exailed from Nibiru .

Sorry for the incomplete and vague Quote, but I read it myself, maybe the

Book is the 12th Planet. But I'm not sure . Do you read Sitchen, People?

LOL Sitchin speaks Hebrew nuff said.

Ever wonder where the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' came from??? Book of Enoch n all that Jazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

[jamesc]

Witness statements are poor evidence. This is universally recognised. Forensic evidence is strong. It carries a million times more weight.

Not so, basically witnesses range from your member of the public to very learned and intelligent people. With all due respect to ordinary people, what cannot be discounted is when witnesses fall into the categories of academics and military people and scientists.Are we to dismiss these people just because we have preconceived beliefs ect on the possibility that alien contact/abductions cannot happen?? Circumstantial evidence based on reliable and respectable witnesses carries its own weight and is just as important as hard physical proof/evidence. Universally recognised by who? Official debunkers and sceptics who demand physical proof and when its offered in the forms of circumstantial from very reliable witnesses ,(military pilots ect),its dismissed unfairly.The evidence that the late Dr John Mack provided and found cannot be dismissed on the grounds of ,"were is the hard physical proof",.Is Macks findings on possible non human abductions to be seen as less credible because it does not provide "physical proof".There are many forms of evidence and to solely rely or demand physical evidence as a be all and end all is folly and not a very coherent and intelligent way to see the bigger picture on the UFO/ABDUCTION enigmas that will not go away as some would like it too.:cool:;)

[rodin]

Not so, basically witnesses range from your member of the public to very learned and intelligent people. With all due respect to ordinary people, what cannot be discounted is when witnesses fall into the categories of academics and military people and scientists.Are we to dismiss these people just because we have preconceived beliefs ect on the possibility that alien contact/abductions cannot happen?? Circumstantial evidence based on reliable and respectable witnesses carries its own weight and is just as important as hard physical proof/evidence. Universally recognised by who? Official debunkers and sceptics who demand physical proof and when its offered in the forms of circumstantial from very reliable witnesses ,(military pilots ect),its dismissed unfairly.The evidence that the late Dr John Mack provided and found cannot be dismissed on the grounds of ,"were is the hard physical proof",.Is Macks findings on possible non human abductions to be seen as less credible because it does not provide "physical proof".There are many forms of evidence and to solely rely or demand physical evidence as a be all and end all is folly and not a very coherent and intelligent way to see the bigger picture on the UFO/ABDUCTION enigmas that will not go away as some would like it too.:cool:;)

I merely make the point that witness statements are prone to falsification, human error, and must be taken on word.

Physical evidence on the other hand can be checked directly for authenticity and this can often be proved or disproved absolutely. Witness statements can also be checked to some extent, for example for corroboration. However apparent corroboration can be as a result of collusion.

[kasalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0i3Mvrglek

Great stuff, Mike! Thanks for posting.

Do you have a direct link to an official source for the "smoking gun" image seen at 3:14 in the video?

[mikesingh]

Hi Kasalt!

Here it is in the middle, slightly above that line. Zoom it, turn up the contrast some, use 'unsharp mask'....

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5269/moonspirestowerac5.jpg

From here:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/index.html

Cheers! :D

[kasalt]

Hi Kasalt!

Here it is in the middle, slightly above that line. Zoom it, turn up the contrast some, use 'unsharp mask'....

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5269/moonspirestowerac5.jpg

From here:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/index.html

Cheers! :D

That's absolutely incredible! Here's a direct link to the image:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/lo5-125-h2a.html

For anyone else who is interested in seeing the anomaly straight from this official source, zoom into the image and count up to the 5th strip of film from the bottom. Then drag the image over from left to right just above the fourth line from the bottom and you will see it.

[majorion]

For anyone else who is interested in seeing the anomaly straight from this official source, zoom into the image and count up to the 5th strip of film from the bottom. Then drag the image over from left to right just above the fourth line from the bottom and you will see it.

It really is an amazing find, isn't it?

The feature I find most compelling is the three-fingered-hand looking part right below the alleged tower. So whether it is a tower or not, we are in fact definitely looking at some artificial structure in that area. It's self evident.

Cheers,

[nihil]

.../lo5-hires.data.html (http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/lo5-hires.data.html)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8693/immaginevqn.jpg

lo5-126-h2a.html > Zoomify on Top Right

[rodin]

Getting a bit like the crop circle gallery thread this. Loads of images and gushing image appreciation, no real critical analysis of what's going on.

Why believe images from a source we suspect is gearing up for a possible alien invasion hoax?

We've had a couple astronauts at least 'come out' - Aldrin on the monolith and Mitchell in 'The Disclosure Project'

What is interesting is how the really obvious statement by Von Braun's secretary has been taken out of context and twisted to imply the 'hoax' was that we were going to attack the aliens instead of what he really meant - aliens were going to be hoaxed - just like Terrorists, Rogue nations, incoming asteroid (Planet X?).

Listen to the testimony of the woman about Von Braun - starting at 1.12.50

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-5980990221766439646

[kasalt]

It really is an amazing find, isn't it?

The feature I find most compelling is the three-fingered-hand looking part right below the alleged tower. So whether it is a tower or not, we are in fact definitely looking at some artificial structure in that area. It's self evident.

Here's a better close-up image:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/46_mike_singh/04images/LO_New/moonSpires10-1.jpg

[kasalt]

Getting a bit like the crop circle gallery thread this. Loads of images and gushing image appreciation, no real critical analysis of what's going on.

Why believe images from a source we suspect is gearing up for a possible alien invasion hoax?

We've had a couple astronauts at least 'come out' - Aldrin on the monolith and Mitchell in 'The Disclosure Project'

What is interesting is how the really obvious statement by Von Braun's secretary has been taken out of context and twisted to imply the 'hoax' was that we were going to attack the aliens instead of what he really meant - aliens were going to be hoaxed - just like Terrorists, Rogue nations, incoming asteroid (Planet X?).

Good point, Rodin, and it's a point I've made myself on other threads in the past. Take, for example, this post:

Good question James, and a very obvious one as well. I've asked myself that question but I just hadn't bothered to post it on this thread yet.

My own guess is that because it was obviously smudged so poorly, it must have been done this way on purpose. These images were taken back in the 90's, and you know as well as I do that if they really didn't want us to see this stuff, they could have removed the object without any visible trace of it remaining. I can only speculate as to their motives for this.

Dr. Carol Rosin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Rosin) was a spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun), and she says that he told her of secret government plans to fake the threat of an alien invasion in order to get more money for military/defense spending and to expand government powers. So in my opinion, it could be that the government has released these photos as an early stage in their campaign to make us think that the alien threat is staging its approach.

On the other hand, it may be that someone was ordered to remove these objects from the photographs and purposely did a poor job of it in order to give the public a hint of what is really out there. This would seem a rather less likely explanation to me though, because I can't understand how these obviously poorly smudged objects could have made it past the censors.

Like so many other things in life, this remains an intriguing mystery...:cool:

Speaking for myself, I don't claim to know what any of these anomalous objects really are. They may be anything ranging from unusual-looking natural formations to hoaxed images designed to gear us up for a fake alien invasion. Or they may be ruins of ancient alien civilizations. But whatever they are, they are there in the photographs, and I don't see anything wrong with pointing them out and discussing what they might be. Do you?

[rodin]

Good point, Rodin, and it's a point I've made myself on other threads in the past. Take, for example, this post:



Speaking for myself, I don't claim to know what any of these anomalous objects really are. They may be anything ranging from unusual-looking natural formations to hoaxed images designed to gear us up for a fake alien invasion. Or they may be ruins of ancient alien civilizations. But whatever they are, they are there in the photographs, and I don't see anything wrong with pointing them out and discussing what they might be. Do you?

I am trying to introduce balance and objectivity. Alien hoax was warned about, perhaps now in play

[kasalt]

Mike, I've been trying to search for a frame number or link to an official source for the image in this video:

Link to video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AfxhFRlhE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AfxhFRlhE

Would you happen to have that information? Thanks.

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Ok guys, here's the latest video of mine in YouTube, Moon And Mars. The Never ending Story. The resolution sucks! Jeeez! But this will have to do for now.

There are some new anomalies pertaining to Mars including new faces etc. Some Moon stills are from my previous vid titled, Uncensored NASA Moon Images. I've selected the best ones from there and included them here.

Friends like Majorion and wZn may have already seen some of these images earlier on the other web site. But check out some new stuff here....

Enjoy! Cheers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0i3Mvrglek

LOVE IT! :D How about you make a collection of images and upload them as a torrent eh ? nudge nudge :P ... i mean seeing as though you're not gonna make a book like Alan Sturm's 'ULO' you slacker! :P ....

So that would be one huge torrent named mikesinghs Moon Anomalies (Volume I (hehe)) and Mars Anomalies (Volume I) oh and while your at it - Mars Moon Phobos Anomalies I ...Saturns Moon...and so on and so on! yes? Great! Thanks! :D

[watchzeitgeistnow]

.../lo5-hires.data.html (http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/lo5-hires.data.html)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8693/immaginevqn.jpg

lo5-126-h2a.html > Zoomify on Top Right

Hint for you i learn't - and everyone interested take note....

turn this baby UPSIDE DOWN (try sideways with some too) ... and you get this... http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/lo5-126-h2a3flipped3.jpg ;)

What's NASA upside down look like... :P

[rodin]

Anyone think we are looking at a model of the Moon?

[mikesingh]

Mike, I've been trying to search for a frame number or link to an official source for the image in this video:

Link to video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AfxhFRlhE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AfxhFRlhE

Would you happen to have that information? Thanks.

kasalt, that's like looking for a needle in a haystack!! :(

However, here's the LPI web page for Apollo 17 images. There are 23 magazines of film and a total of 3584 images taken. However you'll need to focus on the B/W images and the ones taken from orbit. But even that's a lot of work! ;) All the best!

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/mission/?17

Cheers! :D

[mikesingh]

LOVE IT! :D How about you make a collection of images and upload them as a torrent eh ? nudge nudge :P ... i mean seeing as though you're not gonna make a book like Alan Sturm's 'ULO' you slacker! :P ....

So that would be one huge torrent named mikesinghs Moon Anomalies (Volume I (hehe)) and Mars Anomalies (Volume I) oh and while your at it - Mars Moon Phobos Anomalies I ...Saturns Moon...and so on and so on! yes? Great! Thanks! :D

Oh yeah?? This smiley says it all!!

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sleepy/asleep-045.gif

Cheers! :D

[rodin]

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/attachments/foyer/62038d1250426087-moonshot-lunar-rocket.png

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/lo5-125-h2a.html

[relax]

What natural Lunar process could produce this formation?

Exactly, glad to see you're waking up. :)

[rodin]

Exactly, glad to see you're waking up. :)

I am aware that photos of the Moon and Mars show suspicious details. I am also aware that these photos come from Hoaxes R Us and cannot be verified by us

[mikesingh]

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/attachments/foyer/62038d1250426087-moonshot-lunar-rocket.png

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/lo5-125-h2a.html

Well, this LO image had earlier got me stumped months ago! But on further analysis, and rotating the image 180 deg, I noticed that those so called 'spires' (Which I loved to call them!) were nothing but shadows!!

The first image is as seen in the scan...

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/f05cf7c0530ba3446e3ac8a9fcbddb2e.jpg

The same image is rotated 180 deg, below. Notice the shadows produced by those rocks?

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/dcac94e2343042c4814f66a99b4e63c1.jpg

So no towers or spires here! Just plain old shadows! ;)

Cheers! :D

[jamesc]

Houston, we have a cashflow problem: return to the moon in doubt
Space experts tell Obama that Nasa will have to scrap lunar and Mars missions without big increase in budget.:rolleyes:


Nasa's plans to land astronauts back on the moon by 2020 are about to disappear into a giant black hole, according to a panel of space experts appointed by Barack Obama.

Less than a month after the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11's first lunar landing, the group will tell White House advisers today that the space agency simply does not have enough money to do it again.:eek::eek:

Without a significant increase in funding – unlikely with the federal deficit approaching $1.3tn – Nasa will almost certainly have to scrap the next-generation Ares I rocket that has already cost more than $9bn to develop.

The longer-term part of the agency's $81bn Constellation project – to land humans on Mars by the middle of the century, touted by George Bush in his 2004 vision for space exploration – will remain in the realms of science fiction, at least for now.

"This is a big surprise," said Edward Ellegood, a space policy analyst at Florida's Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. "Up until this point Nasa, privately at least, was confident that Constellation was a little behind schedule but on track. Now this changes everything. That it no longer fits within the budget is disturbing."

The pessimistic outlook for America's manned spaceflight programme comes from a panel of experts and former astronauts led by the retired Lockheed Martin chairman Norman Augustine and appointed by Obama to analyse Nasa's spending and operations. The group has come up with broad-based scenarios for the future direction of the agency in a report to be published next week and outlined to presidential staff at a briefing in Washington today. Among the options are to extend the working life of the ageing space shuttle fleet beyond next year's scheduled retirement until 2015, while developing a cheaper transport to the moon; pressing ahead with Constellation as quickly as existing funding allows; or creating a new, larger rocket that would allow exploration of the solar system while bypassing the moon.

None of the options meet Nasa's stated goal of returning to the moon by the end of the next decade, or even leaving lower Earth orbit for at least another two decades, because the space agencies existing annual budget of about $18bn is spread too thinly, the panel says.:rolleyes:

Nasa is committed to seven final shuttle missions by next summer, maintaining the international space station until at least 2016, developing Ares and myriad unmanned scientific projects.

"It will be difficult with the current budget to do anything that's terribly inspiring in the human spaceflight area," Augustine said.

Nasa's budgetary woes are also hampering efforts to keep an eye on asteroids that might travel too close to Earth. The agency needs about $300m to expand a network of telescopes and meet the government's target of identifying, by 2020, at least 90% of the giant space rocks that pose a threat to Earth. Congress has not come up with the money and is unlikely to, according to the National Academy of Science.

Bollocks they can find the money if needed is this one big excuse.Very convenient to say the least.:cool:

[cryst4l]

Houston, we have a cashflow problem: return to the moon in doubt
Space experts tell Obama that Nasa will have to scrap lunar and Mars missions without big increase in budget.:rolleyes:


Nasa's plans to land astronauts back on the moon by 2020 are about to disappear into a giant black hole, according to a panel of space experts appointed by Barack Obama.

Less than a month after the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11's first lunar landing, the group will tell White House advisers today that the space agency simply does not have enough money to do it again.:eek::eek:

Without a significant increase in funding – unlikely with the federal deficit approaching $1.3tn – Nasa will almost certainly have to scrap the next-generation Ares I rocket that has already cost more than $9bn to develop.

The longer-term part of the agency's $81bn Constellation project – to land humans on Mars by the middle of the century, touted by George Bush in his 2004 vision for space exploration – will remain in the realms of science fiction, at least for now.

"This is a big surprise," said Edward Ellegood, a space policy analyst at Florida's Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. "Up until this point Nasa, privately at least, was confident that Constellation was a little behind schedule but on track. Now this changes everything. That it no longer fits within the budget is disturbing."

The pessimistic outlook for America's manned spaceflight programme comes from a panel of experts and former astronauts led by the retired Lockheed Martin chairman Norman Augustine and appointed by Obama to analyse Nasa's spending and operations. The group has come up with broad-based scenarios for the future direction of the agency in a report to be published next week and outlined to presidential staff at a briefing in Washington today. Among the options are to extend the working life of the ageing space shuttle fleet beyond next year's scheduled retirement until 2015, while developing a cheaper transport to the moon; pressing ahead with Constellation as quickly as existing funding allows; or creating a new, larger rocket that would allow exploration of the solar system while bypassing the moon.

None of the options meet Nasa's stated goal of returning to the moon by the end of the next decade, or even leaving lower Earth orbit for at least another two decades, because the space agencies existing annual budget of about $18bn is spread too thinly, the panel says.:rolleyes:

Nasa is committed to seven final shuttle missions by next summer, maintaining the international space station until at least 2016, developing Ares and myriad unmanned scientific projects.

"It will be difficult with the current budget to do anything that's terribly inspiring in the human spaceflight area," Augustine said.

Nasa's budgetary woes are also hampering efforts to keep an eye on asteroids that might travel too close to Earth. The agency needs about $300m to expand a network of telescopes and meet the government's target of identifying, by 2020, at least 90% of the giant space rocks that pose a threat to Earth. Congress has not come up with the money and is unlikely to, according to the National Academy of Science.

Bollocks they can find the money if needed is this one big excuse.Very convenient to say the least.:cool:

Maybe the battle here on earth is more important due to the awakening of people!

[cryst4l]

Well, this LO image had earlier got me stumped months ago! But on further analysis, and rotating the image 180 deg, I noticed that those so called 'spires' (Which I loved to call them!) were nothing but shadows!!

The first image is as seen in the scan...

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/f05cf7c0530ba3446e3ac8a9fcbddb2e.jpg

The same image is rotated 180 deg, below. Notice the shadows produced by those rocks?

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/dcac94e2343042c4814f66a99b4e63c1.jpg

So no towers or spires here! Just plain old shadows! ;)

Cheers! :D

Hi mikesingh,

In the bottom image, I can see the direction of the light you point out, but I also see the shadows cast the same way.

Am I interpreting this incorrectly?

[mikesingh]

Hi mikesingh,

In the bottom image, I can see the direction of the light you point out, but I also see the shadows cast the same way.

Am I interpreting this incorrectly?

Hi cryst4l, You'll notice that all the shadows are being cast by rocks that are easily visible due to their brightness compared to the surrounding terrain. The sun is toward the North. The shadows naturally would be cast in the opposite direction, ie, toward the South.

Can you mark the shadows that you say are being cast in the opposite direction?

Cheers! :D

[sexi_co]

Mike, I've been trying to search for a frame number or link to an official source for the image in this video:

Link to video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AfxhFRlhE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AfxhFRlhE

Would you happen to have that information? Thanks.


"This video is dedicated to astronaut Ron Evans, CSM Pilot, Apollo 17, who died in 1990 of a heart attack at the age of 56."

So he was evaluated and considered strong and healthy enough to travel to space, but still managed to have a heart attack aged just 56.
Do you not think that sounds a little fishy?

[kasalt]

Not in my opinion. The Apollo 17 mission occurred in 1972, and Ron Evans died 18 years after that.

[sexi_co]

Not in my opinion. The Apollo 17 mission occurred in 1972, and Ron Evans died 18 years after that.

Yes, but my point is they are tested to the absolute maximum. If he had any kind of heart problems they would have known about it and he wouldnt have gone.

Have you seen the condition that Buzz Aldrin or Neil Armstrong are in?
Im not saying im right, im just saying it seems a little fishy.

[airkraft]

this may be of interest to some reading this thread

Richard C. Hoagland will appear at the Beyond Knowledge conference UK
12-13 Sep 2009
http://www.beyond-knowledge.co.uk/

Just bought my ticket for the Sunday...sorry to hijack the thread

[cryst4l]

Can you mark the shadows that you say are being cast in the opposite direction?

Cheers! :D

Hi mike,
please excuse the crudeness, but look at the adapted photo, and hopefully you can see what I mean.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5512/ben11.jpg

I am quite certain that the shadows cast are being cast from the sunlight in the direction you say, but the actual shadows are going in the opposite direction in my imagination.

[majorion]

I'm not yet entirely convinced that the spires are just shadows.

For one, I have not seen this feature in any other photo (lunar orbiter, or otherwise), and even when you rotate the photo, the feature still stands out as odd.

If there is another photo with the exact same feature, then I'll be convinced that it's nothing out of the ordinary.

And don't forget Mike, that specific image has a helluva lot more anomalies, it may be a hot spot! - uncensored indeed.

[rodin]

Mike is right they are shadows

Maybe some of the other anomalies are footprints of the model makers though :D

[majorion]

Here are some more spires, or something else very interesting. Just a little below top-center:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/5034_h2.jpg

USGS Raw TIFF (GZIP) 17 MB: http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/LunarOrbiterDigitization/data/VHR/vhr_5034_h2_raw.tif.gz

[mikesingh]

Hi Maj! Much as I would love to have seen real towers/spires there, but here's what turns up after the image is rotated 180 deg....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Shadows.jpg

Looks like shadows being cast by those rocks!

Cheers! :D

[kasalt]

Video of an unusual object on the moon:

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFfx9YFqRQI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFfx9YFqRQI

[mikesingh]

Kasalt, I personally think it's light and shadow effects. Check out the direction of the sun. It's from the 'East' or from the right. Therefore all shadows would be cast toward the 'West'. However this 'structure' seems to cast a shadow toward the 'South West'! So obviously that's not any tall object there. If it was, where is the shadow? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-002.gif

Here's the image...

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/b15834732fb7678bf33b6813538edf1e.jpg

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-13.gif

[kasalt]

Ah well, got fooled on that one I guess.

Thanks Mike! :D

[majorion]

Now if only an average astronomer with the average telescope could capture a video like that of the 'Far side'.

Guess we'll just 'trust' NASA on that!

[chattanova]

Road Found on the Moon ?

Posted by MajorStar / August - 22 - 2009

On Google Earth 5.0 use the Moon feature from the toolbar and then type “Joy” in the search bar. Looking closely and slightly west you will see a road or trail that runs south for miles. It even follows the contours of the terrain.

I located it last night and posted a video to YouTube. I have alerted KRON news desk too. There are many other strange anomalies I have found today, including trails to the south and west of the Apollo 15 site. I will point out in another posting shortly. Thanks to MUFON CMS

http://ufoweek.com/2009/08/road-found-on-the-moon/

http://img03.imagefra.me/img/img03/2/8/23/kennet/f_xmuwuq2g5imm_7a4040e.jpg

[majorion]

Road Found on the Moon ?

IMHO, yes there are roads on the Moon.

Here is a hires picture of Copernicus Crater, courtesy of John Lear and thelivingmoon.com ... although the Lunar Orbiter photos show essentially the same thing albeit the one JL scanned for us is a complete picture of the scene, I think.

http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon/Composite_Sphinx_Mine.jpg

Now, do you not see the roadways on the mountains?

Everyday I drive nearby a mountainous region where I live, and the view is remarkably similar to Copernicus. Therefore I don't expect everyone to see what I see in that image.

Cheers,

[kasalt]

Get a load of these moon videos posted to YouTube by JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency):

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jaxachannel&view=videos

[mikesingh]

Road Found on the Moon ?

Nice find, but where the dickens is it located? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/where-am-i.gif

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-069.gif

[mikesingh]

IMHO, yes there are roads on the Moon.

Here is a hires picture of Copernicus Crater, courtesy of John Lear and thelivingmoon.com ... although the Lunar Orbiter photos show essentially the same thing albeit the one JL scanned for us is a complete picture of the scene, I think.

http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon/Composite_Sphinx_Mine.jpg

Now, do you not see the roadways on the mountains?

Everyday I drive nearby a mountainous region where I live, and the view is remarkably similar to Copernicus. Therefore I don't expect everyone to see what I see in that image.

Cheers,

Hey Maj, check out this particular area that is one of the most puzzling in that image. Note that auxiliary road from the the main one, going into what looks like a tunnel! This entire are has tons of strange features in it. Copernicus really seems to be a mine of sorts!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/8ce32dcc13ece903023d4946f960b19d.jpg

Cheers!

[mikesingh]

And here's one for the road. This will blow your socks off!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonShine2.jpg

Cheers! :)