Unexplained Mysteries On The Moon And Mars!

[moving finger]

I think some of the differences between photos can be explained by camera angle, some of them might be artefacts introduced by the camera. Moving rocks isn't so obvious but there is this phenomenon that has puzzled earth scientists for many years:

Moving rocks (http://www.photosfan.com/moving-rocks/)

http://www.photosfan.com/images/sailing-stones-racetrack-death-valley-califormia1.jpg

Or it could just be little fellas moving them around trying to freak us out ;)

It would have been nice to have seen the photos in their original context on the NASA site, not the marsanomalyresearch one. Any links?

[mikesingh]

It would have been nice to have seen the photos in their original context on the NASA site, not the marsanomalyresearch one. Any links?

Yep! Here they are....Click on the images and enjoy! Or copy/paste the url for the hi-res version.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1830/2N288828221EFFB000P0625L0M4.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1843/2N289976994EFFB0EOP0675L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1833/2N289093752EFFB074P1985L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1836/2N289363474EFFB0A1P1985R0M1.JPG

Cheers! :)

[moving finger]

Yep! Here they are....Click on the images and enjoy! Or copy/paste the url for the hi-res version.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1830/2N288828221EFFB000P0625L0M4.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1843/2N289976994EFFB0EOP0675L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1833/2N289093752EFFB074P1985L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1836/2N289363474EFFB0A1P1985R0M1.JPG

Cheers! :)

Thanks :)

[moving finger]

Cool I've had a good look at those now, and also at this:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/tm-spirit/images/MERA_Sol1845_1_br2.jpg

I'm not saying that there isn't some sort of movement going on, but looking at the angle of the tracks that are visible in the images (some of them look like footprints ;) ), as well as the change in persepctive you get of the rocks, I do think what you're seeing is a parallax issue.

Spirit has certainly done some walking and changing of direction over the time period those photos were taken. It could simply be a rock further away appearing to be in a different location relative to rocks nearer the camera as the viewpoint changes. The cases where it's absent is either because it's out of shot altogether, or because it's behind the big 'split rock'.

I did a quick photoshop experiment.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5954/mars6k.jpg

I found one medium sized rock that's common to all of the photos and moved all 4 photos so that this rock was in the same place in all of them. I didn't bother messing about with sizing & so on. The ovals are where the big split rock is in each of the 4 photos - not in the same place. This big rock isn't going anywhere, clearly spirit has and this has affected the viewpoint, and this seems the most likely explanation for why the other rock moves.

[mikesingh]

This big rock isn't going anywhere, clearly spirit has and this has affected the viewpoint, and this seems the most likely explanation for why the other rock moves.

Agreed! Here's another explanation. I think it's all about camera angles and perspective after all! ;)

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/a0d37f28b04c1ea59caa9905a70ec6f8.jpg

Cheers! :)



Thanks to RenDMC for the trouble he took making the diagram!

[moving finger]

Agreed! Here's another explanation. I think it's all about camera angles and perspective after all! ;)

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/a0d37f28b04c1ea59caa9905a70ec6f8.jpg

Cheers! :)



Thanks to RenDMC for the trouble he took making the diagram!

You say tomato... ;)

[sexi_co]

Have any of you seen the rover images from Mars, of the ground, with a round shadow in one pic then the shadow has gone in the next even though the rover is in the same place? (like a ufo has flown over head)

If you have, do you have a link to these pics please?

Thanks all.

[mikesingh]

Have any of you seen the rover images from Mars, of the ground, with a round shadow in one pic then the shadow has gone in the next even though the rover is in the same place? (like a ufo has flown over head)

If you have, do you have a link to these pics please?

Thanks all.

Of course! Count on me!! :rolleyes:

http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/id4/ID4Sequence.jpeg
Courtesy: Ontology Development

The most disturbing element of the transmissions is that the object casting the shadow literally seems to change direction as it crosses over Sojourner. NASA officials doubt that any natural or meteorological phenomenon could explain the Martian shadow.
"It was just too weird," said an unnamed source at NASA. "The way the shadow crossed over Sojourner indicated that Sojourner itself was under observation, almost as though another probe were photographing our mission."

But darned if I know if this is a hoax or otherwise!

Cheers! :)



Click on the third pic from the top in the main text here... (http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/)

[moving finger]

That's very interesting, but something really isn't right about it.

I can't put my finger on it, but something about the shadow says 'fake'. It doesn't look natural. I also don't think it's a natural cloud (too round) or phobos (too small). Also, oddly, the passage of the shadow doesn't prevent other objects on the ground casting a much darker shadow. The shadow cast by this mystery object should be as dark as the natural shadows cast by the rocks, & the rock shadows should disappear once the whole scene is in shadow surely?

Anything quoting "unnamed sources" immediately makes me suspicious. You find no record of this shadow outside the conspiracy sites (tho oddly, not even a refutation by NASA).

"Independence Day Scenario"? I suspect the movie inspired this!

I'm also hugely suspicious of the supposed 'footprints' the site claims NASA edited out of the real photographs but they can reveal. These footprints show no sense of perspective, ie they don't look flat on the ground and they don't look any smaller the further away from the camera they get. They look, in fact, exactly like they've been stamped on there in photoshop.

http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/Footprints/FootprintsLabelled.jpeg

It makes me very dubious about the rest of their evidence.

[jamesc]

Of course! Count on me!! :rolleyes:

http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/id4/ID4Sequence.jpeg
Courtesy: Ontology Development



But darned if I know if this is a hoax or otherwise!

Cheers! :)



Click on the third pic from the top in the main text here... (http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/)


Is there any way these photos or slides can be investigated to see if they contain any traces of CGI or photo shopping.If they contain none of the latter then its either some sort of Martian atmospheric phenomenon or unidentified object.:cool:

[mikesingh]

Is there any way these photos or slides can be investigated to see if they contain any traces of CGI or photo shopping.If they contain none of the latter then its either some sort of Martian atmospheric phenomenon or unidentified object.:cool:

As moving finger mentioned in his post above, the rock shadows should disappear once the whole scene is in shadow! Can there be a shadow within a shadow? Yes! BUT the intensity should be much less than what is shown! So this must be photoshopped! QED!

Cheers! :)

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Hey mike - miss ya dude, I have to ask if you've seen this find yet, and what do you make of it?
NASA Moon Anomaly Captured On Video - Life Revealed 2010 - YouTube

taken from original JAXA video here:
KAGUYA taking "Anaxagoras" by HDTV (telescopic camera) - YouTube

also found another:
NASA Moon Anomaly Captured On Video #2 - The Flash 2010 - YouTube

taken from original JAXA video here:
KAGUYA taking around "Tsiolkovskiy" by HDTV - YouTube
(pay close attention to the music on this one - in sync with the flash anomaly)
:)
Cheers big ears!

[mikesingh]

Hey wZn! Where the dickens have you been hiding? Long time no see!

And those vids were pretty intriguing! :cool: If those weren't camera glitches, then all I can say is WOW!

Cheers and keep 'em coming! :)

[jamesc]

Clementine Moon Picture.
A closer look at the image;

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8888d663dbc9.jpg





http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6bd4dce831c3.gif

Is this some sort of camera anomaly or deliberate smudging out of an unnatural structure.I have always been intrigued by these images that Clementine captured


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_03.html

[jamesc]

Hey mike - miss ya dude, I have to ask if you've seen this find yet, and what do you make of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PciJniRblk

taken from original JAXA video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxLWvGQWULU

also found another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUNm80Vb6sM&NR=1

taken from original JAXA video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJi2_ATGcM
(pay close attention to the music on this one - in sync with the flash anomaly)
:)
Cheers big ears!



Awesome, something is flashing there.:cool:

[coco]

Yep! Here they are....Click on the images and enjoy! Or copy/paste the url for the hi-res version.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1830/2N288828221EFFB000P0625L0M4.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1843/2N289976994EFFB0EOP0675L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1833/2N289093752EFFB074P1985L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/1836/2N289363474EFFB0A1P1985R0M1.JPG

Cheers! :)

Quoted as could not see links. :)

EDIT: Still unable to see, probably my loaner computer. :(

[sexi_co]

Clementine Moon Picture.
A closer look at the image;

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8888d663dbc9.jpg





http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6bd4dce831c3.gif

Is this some sort of camera anomaly or deliberate smudging out of an unnatural structure.I have always been intrigued by these images that Clementine captured


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_03.html

Im sure ive seen Jose Escamilla look at this image before. He showed that the blurred object would have been miles and miles across! He also showed the same area in a different picture taken at a different time with nothing there. Interesting eh? Why would NASA blur the image if there's nothing there?

[mikesingh]

Wow! I didn't notice that, James, seeing that we've been concentrating on that apparently airbrushed object on the Clementine image!

Since the direction of sunlight is from the 'North East', those cannot be craters.

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/sp/ed46ecc983defd49b8536390835cd7ab/Moon.jpg

Some sort of structures? But I wonder why these weren't airbrushed too? Those bozos in the imaging dept at NASA need to be fired! Geeez! :rolleyes:

Cheers! :)

[jamesc]

Wow! I didn't notice that, James, seeing that we've been concentrating on that apparently airbrushed object on the Clementine image!

Since the direction of sunlight is from the 'North East', those cannot be craters.

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/sp/ed46ecc983defd49b8536390835cd7ab/Moon.jpg

Some sort of structures? But I wonder why these weren't airbrushed too? Those bozos in the imaging dept at NASA need to be fired! Geeez! :rolleyes:

Cheers! :)


Hi Mike, yes some airbrusher at NASA has fecked up i think.:D

[watchzeitgeistnow]

Hey why do all my youtube I post get taken off my posts?

Also noticing it now with some images in the last few posts?

:confused:

[coco]

It's been happening more frequently on all threads with all posters. When I see that happen I quote the post so the vid link can be seen but of late the success rate for that has dropped from 100% to 98%.

[deany]

Glad you put up Bob Dean's latest images from Apollo mike :)

Now someone asked about pyramids....
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/4195-h2.jpg look like pyramids to me - straight off the NASA LO site too :D

Are we all wondering why they are sending a bomb to the Moon by now? :rolleyes:

is this a NASA image from the moon?
do you know the image number or have a link to the main pic?

cheers mate

[tarant8l]

We were not even entitled to know where the Moon and Mars were!

E.g. the Moon in Auriga, Mars in Cetus...

[jamesc]

How to Get to Mars?
08-Jun-2010

Practice, practice, practice -:D

NASA's Spirit Mars Rover has discovered strange blue rocks on the surface of Mars which contain high concentrations of carbonate--evidence that the planet once had a wet, non- acidic environment that may have been favorable for life. Meanwhile, an international crew has locked themselves away in a module with no windows and only e-mail contact with the outside world for 18 months, in preparation for a potential journey there so they can see if any life still exists there.


http://www.unknowncountry.com/img/news/062009/marsbluestone-1.jpg


They even have a room that simulates the surface of Mars, so they can practice leaving their ship!;)

The JPL website (JPL is the company which builds the rockets that will send us to Mars eventually) quotes astronomer Steve Squyres as saying, "A substantial carbonate deposit in a Mars outcrop tells us that conditions that could have been quite favorable for life were present at one time in that place." Two rovers first landed on Mars 6 years ago for missions that were originally planned to last 3 months. Spirit has been out of communication since March 22 and is in a low-power hibernation during the Martian winter, but Opportunity is slowly making its way toward a large crater the NASA wants to investigate.

Will there be a manned mission to Mars anytime soon? No matter when it happens, a 6 man international crew will be ready, because they've shut themselves up in an isolation chamber in Moscow for a simulated 520 day mission.

The crew has a mission schedule full of more than 90 experiments and realistic scenarios, including emergency situations, 20-minute communications delays and even a trip to a simulated Martian surface. The facility consists of interconnected modules serving as the mock interplanetary spaceship, including medical and scientific research areas, living quarters, a kitchen, greenhouse and exercise area.

The chamber also contains a Mars landing vehicle module and a Martian landscape module for simulated extravehicular activities. This is an enclosed room with a floor covered in rocks and red sand. About half-way through the mission, 3 of the crew will have to "land" on this "surface" and walk on it while dressed in heavy space suits.:D

Psychologist David F. Dinges expects responses ranging from sleep loss and fatigue to stress and mood changes. He says, "Extensive data from the Russian Mir Space Station, International Space Station and Apollo missions suggest that psychological and behavioral issues will be perhaps the greatest challenge humans will face when they embark on years-long missions to Mars and other locations."

[watchzeitgeistnow]

4195-h2

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4195

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/4195_h2.jpg

:cool:

[hank_scorpio]

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA13186

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/mro/20100609/pia13186-browse.jpg

New high resolution photograph available. I wonder what the real colours look like.

[deany]

4195-h2

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4195

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/4195_h2.jpg

:cool:

cheers mate

[friendsinthesky]

Hi Mike, yes some airbrusher at NASA has fecked up i think.:D

Interesting isn't it. From all the other images they could provide us with - they give us a mocked version. Perhaps they are showing us the truth, albeit slightly hidden.

[truegroup]

It's been happening more frequently on all threads with all posters. When I see that happen I quote the post so the vid link can be seen but of late the success rate for that has dropped from 100% to 98%.

Coco, just pass this on. It's a software glitch, but easy to work round.

Post the full link with http:// and also without it.

eg.

Mars Anomalies 2011 - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjiMEFGP7nI

[monkeyboy]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/students-discover-mars-cave-100621.html

7th-Graders Discover Mysterious Cave on Mars
By Clara Moskowitz
Senior Writer
posted: 21 June 2010
03:14 pm ET

http://i.space.com/images/students-discover-mars-cave-100621-02.jpg

http://i.space.com/images/091023-sky-light-02.jpg

A group of seventh-graders in California has discovered a mysterious cave on Mars as part of a research project to study images taken by a NASA spacecraft orbiting the red planet.

The 16 students from teacher Dennis Mitchell's 7th-grade science class at Evergreen Middle School in Cottonwood, Calif., found what looks to be a Martian skylight — a hole in the roof of a cave on Mars.

The intrepid students were participating in the Mars Student Imaging Program at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University. The program allows students to frame a research question and then commission a Mars-orbiting camera to take an image to answer their question.
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The newfound hole on Mars resembled features seen on other parts of Mars in a 2007 study by Glen Cushing, a U.S. Geological Survey scientist.

Cushing suggested that these anomalous pit craters are like skylights — places where a small part of the roof of a cave or a lava tube had collapsed, opening the area below the surface to the sky.

The caves are thought to result from volcanic activity on the red planet. At some point lava channels likely carved out caverns in the rock, and then left behind tunnel, or "lava tubes," when the eruptions were over. They would have been covered when a solid ceiling of cooled material settled on top, and then sections of the ceiling likely collapsed at some point to form the skylight entrances.

Scientists aren't sure what type of materials or deposits could be stored inside.

"This pit is certainly new to us," Cushing told the students. "And it is only the second one known to be associated with Pavonis Mons."

He estimated the pit to be approximately 620 by 520 feet (190 by 160 meters) wide and 380 feet (115 meters) deep at least.

The young researchers had initially set out to hunt for lava tubes, a common volcanic feature on Earth and Mars.

"The students developed a research project focused on finding the most common locations of lava tubes on Mars," Mitchell said. "Do they occur most often near the summit of a volcano, on its flanks, or the plains surrounding it?"

The class commissioned a main photo and a backup image of Mars' Pavonis Monsvolcano, targeted on a region that hadn't been imaged up close.

The pictures were taken by NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter using its Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) instrument. Both images showed lava tubes, as the students had hoped.

But the backup photo provided another surprise: a small, round black spot. It was a hole on Mars leading into the buried cave, researchers said.

The students have submitted their site to be further imaged by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, which could reveal enough detail to see inside the hole in the ground.

"The Mars Student Imaging Program is certainly one of the greatest educational programs ever developed," Mitchell said. "It gives the students a good understanding of the way research is conducted and how that research can be important for the scientific community. This has been a wonderful experience."

* Gallery - Latest Mars Photos From Spirit and Opportunity (http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?gid=402)
* Top 10 Strangest Things in Space (http://www.space.com/bestimg/?cat=strangest)
* Image Gallery: A Tour of Mars (http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?imgid=66&gid=5)

[mikesingh]

Hi guys!
Here's another interesting something I found whilst going through a super hi res image of Cydonia. Check out its geometrics....

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3898/marscydoniaobject.jpg

Can anyone figure out what the heck it is?

Cheers! :)
Mike.