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synergy777
02-08-2007, 01:02 PM
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India's God Krishna Was the King of Jerusalem! By Gene D. Matlock


What a strange world in which we live! The Catholic Church has always known that Christianity did not begin with Jesus Christ, but yet it tries to make us think it did.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."

Eusebius of Caesarea (circa 283-371 AD) said: "The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange."

In Anacalypsis, The 17th century British orientalist and iconoclast, Godfrey Higgins, insisted that Christianity was already firmly in place in both the West and the East, many centuries before Jesus Christ was born. He said, The Crestians or Christians of the West probably descended directly from the Buddhists, rather than from the Brahmins. (Vol. 2, pp 438, 439.)

The existence of the Christians both in Europe and India, (existed) long anterior to the Christian era... (Vol 2, p. 202.) I think the most blind and credulous of devotees must allow that we have the existence of the Cristna of the Brahmins in Thrace, many hundred years before the Christian era-the birth of Jesus Christ. (Book X, p. 593.)

"Melito (a Christian bishop of Sardis) in the year 170, claims the patronage of the emperor, for the now so-called Christian religion, which he calls "our philosophy," on account of its high antiquity, has having been imported from countries lying beyond the limits of the Roman empire, in the region of his ancestor Augustus, who found the importation ominous of good fortune to his government." This is an absolute demonstration that Christianity did not originate in Judea, which was a Roman province, but really was an exotic oriental fable, imported from India, and that Paul was doing as he claimed, viz: preaching a God manifest in the flesh who had been "believed in the world" centuries before his time, and a doctrine which had already been preached "unto every creature under heaven." (Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions; T. W. Doane, p. 409.)

Religious historians have for hundreds of years struggled to find out how and why the stories about Jesus and Krishna, who were born 2,000 years apart, are so nearly identical.


Both Christ and Krishna descended from Noah.
The future births of both messiahs were predicted ahead of time.
Christ was descended from Abraham
Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).
Christ was at once a Koresh, a Hebrew, and a Yehudi.
Krishna was at once a Kurus, an Abhira, and a Yadava.
Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.
Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.
Christ's first name, Jesus, was Yeshua.
A title of Krishna, meaning "love; devotion," was Yesu. Even today, many Hindu parents name their sons, Yesu Krishna.
Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.
Krishna's mother was named Devaki.
Jesus mother was called Mary.
Krishna did not have an earthly father as such, but a protector, named Vasudeva.
Jesus did not have an earthly father as such, but a mortal protector named Joseph.
An evil king tried to kill Christ and Krishna when they were both infants.
To protect the infant Jesus, Joseph and Mary took him to Maturai, Egypt.
To protect the infant Krishna, his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, took him to Mathura, India.
It was predicted that both men would die to atone for the sins of their people.
As you have probably noticed, they took refuge in places having almost identical names.
Both men preached to their people.
Christ was crucified and then resurrected. Krishna was killed by a hunter's arrow and impaled on a tree. Later, he returned to life.
Christ was crucified in Jerusalem.

Some Hindu scholars think that Krishna died in Jerusalem, having gone there when his coastal city of Dwarka sank under the sea. Others say he went to Iraq.

Christ appeared after his "death." Krishna appeared after his "death."
Both of them have a major holiday dedicated to them on December 25th.
Christ had a female admirer named Mary Magdalene. Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.
Fanatically sectarian Christians and Hindus alike militantly reject the idea that the stories of these two deities are related. The Christians accuse the Hindus of blurring their identities on purpose. Some even claim that the Devil himself is the culprit.The Hindus reciprocate accordingly. Unfortunately, neither side can prove or disprove anything. In this article, I will attempt to clear up this mystery once and for all.

The Hindu Equivalent of our Old Testament Story of Abraham.

The story begins with our Abraham or Brahma as the Hindus called him. His father was Lord Krishna; his brother was Mahesh a.k.a Maheshvara who would be our Moses (Heb: Moshe).

The Hindu triad consists of the Gods Brahma, the equivalent of our God, and Gods Shiva and Vishnu. Actually Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same deities. Together, they are Brahma (God). Today, in India, there are only two temples dedicated to God Brahma because the Hindus say mankind is not yet ready to worship such a lofty concept.

Hindu Proof That Jesus Is the Son of God!

The Bible tells us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, for Jesus' biblical names are Isa/Isha (Shiva), Yeshua (Skt. Yishvara, pronounced in Sanskrit as Yeshwara), Kristos, and Yesu, another name of Krishna . Even in India, Lord Krishna was and still is called Yesu Krishna and Kristna. These names prove to us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, thus making Jesus the begotten son of the Unbegotten-Brahma.


The preceding information shows us that the Hindus are as Christian as the Christians are. Morever, the Hindus can prove that Jesus was the son of God, but we have to accept this as a matter of faith only. Even so, there is no lack of Christian sects wanting the Hindus to "convert" to their way of thinking although we must credit the Hindus with the honor of proving to us that Jesus is the son of God. But the Hindus don't need to convert to the spiritual knowledge they bequeathed to us. They were "converted" thousands of years before our Jesus was born. I say, leave them be.

Since Krishna was not born of man, he was not actually the earthly father of Brahma and Mahesh. Therefore, he himself was the protector (Tara) of Brahma. In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.) The Bible tells us that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. (Genesis 12:19-20.). The Hindu holy books also tell us that a blood relationship existed between them. The Puranas relate Sarasvati to Brahma and Vishnu. Most frequently, she is associated with Brahma. Her connection with him dates earlier than to any other God. She is portrayed mostly as his wife and occasionally as his daughter. When Vishnu's popularity in India increased, myths relating Saraswati to him appeared. (Ref: Sarasvati and the Gods; www.vishvarupa.com.) Therefore, Brahma or Vishnu would also have been the Tara (Terah) of Sarasvati because of her divine origins.


Abraham or Brahma's home was the land of Haran (Genesis 1:4.) Haran was the coastal principality governed by Krishna. It was even named after him because Hara (Sun God) is another name of Krishna. Brahma/Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran.

Just as Christ was crucified on a cross and then returned to life, Krishna, also known as Haran, was crucified on a tree and then returned to life. This fact appears to cause some confusion in The Bible. (Read Genesis 11:26-31).

There is also another "Haran" in India-today's state of Haryana. It is the region where Abraham decided to stop making idols and worship only one God. Brahmavarta, a region in Northeastern Haryana, is said to be the place where mankind was first created. (Varta=Dwelling.) Brahmavarta was the site of the Kuruksetra War between the Kurus and Pandavas, in which Lord Krishna distinguished himself. An ancient and holy river, now dried up, the Sarasvati, once flowed through Brahmavarta. The Hakra (the biblical Haggar) was a tributary of the Sarasvati. The relationships of these three geographical entities make sense. If Brahma provided the channel or bed for the Sarasvati river, Brahmavarta could easily have been the symbolical father or brother of Sarasvati. Hakra (Haggar), being a tributary of Sarasvati, depended on Sarasvati . So what were Abraham, Sarah, and Haggar? People, things, or places?


I have stated that the Bible mentions Haran and Haryana. The Hindu holy books also say that Brahma/Abrahan lived in Ur of the Chaldees. Ur was a Sumerian name for "town; city." Chaldee (pronounced Kaldee) derives from the Sanskrit Kaul, a Brahman caste, and Deva (demi-god). The North Indian Kauldevas worshiped idols representing their ancestors. According to the Hindus, Brahma married Sarasvati in Chaldea, the part that is now Afghanistan.

Northern Afghanistan was called Uttara Kuru and was a great center of learning. An Indian woman went there to study and received the title of Vak i.e. Saraisvati (Lady Sarah). It is believed that Brahm, her teacher, was so impressed by her beauty, education, and powerful intellect, that he married her. (The Hindu History, by Ashkoy Kumar Mazumdar; p. 48, in passim.) Lord Krishna, the divine father (Terah/T‚ra) of Brahma/Abraham, was the king of Haran, with the seaport of Dwarka as its capital.

In about 1900 BC, hundreds of thousands of native Indians emptied Northern and Central India and fled to the Middle East after Krishna's Dwarka sank under the water.



Krishna gathered his family together and fled either to the Middle East or to what is now Iraq. Only some gigantic natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods could have caused such an exodus. It was at this time that the Saraisvati and the Indus changed their proper beds. The Saraisvati dried up.


The drying up of the Saraisvati... led to a major relocation of the population centered around the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys... caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece. (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p. 14.)

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood."

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood." They think he was referring to the Noachide flood. He was referring to the time when God Krishna's Dwarka and Haran province, in today's Gujarat, sank under water in about 1900 BC. Abraham, Sarah, and their followers escaped southward, to the coastal ports of Kalyan and Sopara (Sophir or Sauvira), in Maharashthra. From there, they sailed northward to the Middle East. Sarah (Sarsvati) embarked from the port of Kalyan. At one time, Kalyan was located closer to the coast, but is now located more than 50 miles inland. Sarasvati is the patron saint of Kalyan. The patron saint of Sophir or Sauvira was Parasu Rama (possibly a name of our biblical Abraham/Brahma).

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Indian Author Paramesh Choudhury, author of The India We Have Lost, claims that Krishna and his family probably fled to Iraq. But I'm certain that they went to Jerusalem. The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning "The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe." Lord Krishna was a Yadu. The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.



Temple [top] Mount and Dome of the Rock. Abraham's tomb.

Until now, I have been wondering why Krishna's name did not appear in Jerusalem after his arrival there. Yet, the name of the king of Jerusalem, Melchizedek, the mentor of Abraham, did. I once thought that Melchizedek was the name of a certain person. I made this mistake by thinking that a prince and a son of a Kassite king, Melik-Sadaksina, was a supernaturally endowed prince, magician and spiritual giant. I thought he had accompanied Krishna, Abraham, and Sarah to the Middle East. Later on, I came to realize that the Sanskrit word Sadhaka applies to anyone who is an adept, a magician, one possessed of supernatural powers gained by worshipping a deity or by uttering magical chants.

I have additionally shown in this article that the New Testament words for Jesus all refer to Lord Krishna and his holy names. The early Christians were convinced that Melchizedek was just a prior incarnation of Jesus Christ, The remains of the Nag Hammadi manuscript entitled Melchizedek seem to confirm this. Melchizedek, king of Jerusalem and mentor of his son Abraham, was none other than ancient India's God Krishna. The early Christians thought that Jesus was a reincarnation of Krishna, for who else had the name Yesu Kristna, Isa, Krishna, etc.?

St. Paul states in the New Testament book of Hebrews:

Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made a high priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. (6:20.) For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him...(7:1); For he was yet in the loins of his father when Melchisedec met him. (7:;10);...what further need was there that another priest should arise after the order of Melchisedec...(7:11); Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec (7:17);.


Melchisedek (Krishna)

In closing this article, I want to mention the dissatisfaction I have always had with fanatical religious sectarians who yell that only they are right and that everybody else is wrong. They often insult, deprecate, mock, and reject those with whom they disagree, hoping to shut the formers' mouths. In many cases, these religious squabbles over suspected "differences" cause widespread bloodshed and misery in the world. I am a Roman Catholic and proud of it. But it grieves me when I hear priests, nuns and laity preach that anyone who isn't a Catholic is hell-bound.

The word "Catholic" itself derives from the Sanskrit Ketu-Loka, meaning "Universal Leader." But how can a religion be "universal" if it is exclusive, locking out nations like India who not only gave Catholics their own bible, but even the Christ they worship? I have shown how nearly parallel our bible and the Hindu holy books concur in almost every way-linguistically, culturally, spiritually, etc. Even the incestuous relationship between Brahma and Sarasvati squares with that of Abraham and Sarah. India more than qualifies to be the real holy land of all mankind. The main differences between Christians and Hindus arise from the fact that the Hindu form of Christianity stayed behind in India, and that the western Christianity we know was exported abroad. Naturally, geographical separation has caused some variations in the two similar teachings, as well as culturally. Additionally, we have to keep in mind that for many hundreds of years, these stories were passed down orally, from father to son. Changes, embellishments, and varying opinions crept through the woodwork.

It is a strange anomaly that our Christian sects want to convert the Hindus to the same religious teachings the latter gave to the world and still practice!

I have amply demonstrated that all of us, no matter what our respective religions and nationalities, are grandchildren of India, Will this knowledge help keep us from tearing ourselves and the world apart?

Addendum:

If, until now, you are still unconvinced that Melchizedek was Lord Krishna, and that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna (Melchizedek) as Paul himself explained, I have no other recourse but to give you solid proof directly from the mouths of the Hindus themselves! This should put an end to the question. It is a verifiable fact that one of the names of Krishna was Sadhaka. Being a king, Krishna would have been addressed as Malika (King) Sadhaka). If you are still doubtful, go to the web and type in Krishna Sadhaka. You'll instantly get all the proof you'll; ever need.

Note: This article is a chapter from Gene's upcoming book, now in preparation: [B]Searching for God -- Now a Valid Science! It will be released in autumn, 2007.

synergy777
02-08-2007, 01:20 PM
he himself was the protector (Tara) of Brahma. In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.)

now add in arya/eire, hill of tara,

hill of tara - Google Search

http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/tara/

The Hill of Tara, known as Temair in gaeilge, was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland – 142 kings are said to have reigned there in prehistoric and historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology Temair was the sacred place of dwelling for the gods, and was the entrance to the otherworld. Saint Patrick is said to have come to Tara to confront the ancient religion of the pagans at its most powerful site.

One interpretation of the name Tara says that it means a "place of great prospect" and indeed on a clear day it is claimed that features in half the counties of Ireland can be seen from atop Tara. In the distance to the northwest can be seen the brilliant white quartz front of Newgrange and further north lies the Hill of Slane, where according to legend St. Patrick lit his Pascal fire prior to his visit to Tara in 433 AD.

"i even had a dream saying the children of qumrum were celts/tara/tuaath de denaan."

http://www.hilloftara.info/
M3 Motorway and the Hill of Tara

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Krishna%20Sadhaka&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

snoopsnuffleopagus
02-08-2007, 01:58 PM
Yo! Synergy777:

One of your best posts ever. I think this subject really inspires you.

I cannot speak with informed knowledge of other Sacred Texts(my bad), however, I do feel I have recieved a clear understanding of the Book of Yahweh.
The Book of Yahweh is a Two(2) Part Puzzle. I, personally, can do 2 part puzzles all day and be successful.

Part #1: Yahweh, creator being, not a god, Title of Office: Father

Part#2: The Torah,613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes(complete instruction of character education)

The Torah is what King Melchizedek imparted to Abraham.

As King of Yeru-Salem(city of peace), King Melchizedek can be also called King of Peace.

The true and proper keeping of these Laws, Judgements and Statutes would bring complete Peace to the Earth.

It is the corruption of this Codex of Laws, failure to teach them correctly and failure to apply them correctly that has led to the current Status Quo.

The Book of Yahweh declares Abel as the first righteous Priest, who founded a Priesthood who to this day safeguards the proper teachings.
I believe this is where Melchizedec recieved his instruction.

My question to you Syn; are you aware of another Codex of Law similiar to the Torah, written Laws, not oral traditions like the talmud?

synergy777
02-08-2007, 02:34 PM
whilst suffering from nicotine withdrawal, trying to kick it/control it, one gets pissed off, lol even trying cut down meat intake aswell, i feel the urge to do it.

this to me is one of the fave parts of this stuff, you get this, everything else falls into place, this is the root, and a tree cannot grow, stand without roots.

the torah i think is one the most important texts, the whole creator aspect, even the respect they had using g-d, that really shook me, its how should it be done. if you look at the bible, its a good book, buts is symbolic, historic, edited, has holes in it. the vedas i like, but its massive, too big, its full of poems, discourses, science/big bang, atoms, etc, it its an epic, when i am at the right level, its teh last book i will read, only then will i be able to handle it. i think life can be split into two, before vedas and after vedas. its more of a encylcopedia than one book.

the torah streamlines the important parts. when i grew up my family always gave me good impression of jews, not like the hate they get now in the press. i never knew of the talmud, zionism. i thought it was all torah. the bible i saw more a story/history book, with lessons within/morals etc. the jewish haggadah, the adam/eve eden is a good read also. also i think the egyptian books are important,the bible has many roots from egyptian stuff aswell.

http://www.theosophical.ca/Book7AncientEgypt.htm
ANCIENT EGYPT- THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD by GERALD MASSEY ΔΔ
BOOK -7- EGYPTIAN WISDOM AND THE HEBREW GENESIS

times7
02-08-2007, 05:32 PM
The Koran says Christ Jesus(Isa) will return to destroy the Antichrist

Do you dispute the Koran as well Syrengy777 ?
(sounds like it)

december
02-08-2007, 05:47 PM
Jerusalem was just a SMALL VILLAGE back then, so how can Krishna be a king?

Was Krishna smoking weed or something?

kooo
02-08-2007, 05:58 PM
now add in arya/eire, hill of tara,

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hill%20of%20tara&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=iw

http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/tara/

The Hill of Tara, known as Temair in gaeilge, was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland – 142 kings are said to have reigned there in prehistoric and historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology Temair was the sacred place of dwelling for the gods, and was the entrance to the otherworld. Saint Patrick is said to have come to Tara to confront the ancient religion of the pagans at its most powerful site.

One interpretation of the name Tara says that it means a "place of great prospect" and indeed on a clear day it is claimed that features in half the counties of Ireland can be seen from atop Tara. In the distance to the northwest can be seen the brilliant white quartz front of Newgrange and further north lies the Hill of Slane, where according to legend St. Patrick lit his Pascal fire prior to his visit to Tara in 433 AD.

"i even had a dream saying the children of qumrum were celts/tara/tuaath de denaan."

http://www.hilloftara.info/
M3 Motorway and the Hill of Tara

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Krishna%20Sadhaka&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

My name is Tara.

cheeb
02-08-2007, 06:02 PM
I've been reading this about the patriarchs of Israel.

http://www.domainofman.com/book/chap-3.html

A lot, if not most of it seems very symbolic,
and related to Egyptian/Greek mythology.

Dionyisis was killed hanging from a tree,(and reborn 3 days later)'
Nusso(dio nyssos) is how the archaic Greek describe the peircing of christ on the cross.
Maybe, it is a bit Euro or Mediterraen centric,
,
But I've read about Issa being in Kashmir,

(there was even a reference to this in Salman Rushdies -Midnight Children)

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 06:16 PM
The ten gurus and religious authority Sikhism


Note number 8 could this be Hare Krishna? Krishna reincarnated?
1 Guru Nanak Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia April 15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1469 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia August 20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1507 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1539 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 69 2 Guru Angad Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1504 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1539 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1552 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 48 3 Guru Amar Das - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1479 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 26 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1552 September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1574 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 95 4 Guru Ram Das - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1534 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1574 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1581 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 46 5 Guru Arjan Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia April 15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1563 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia September 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1581 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1606 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 43 6 Guru Hargobind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia June 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1595 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1606 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia February 28 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1644 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 48 7 Guru Har Rai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia January 16 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1630 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1644 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1661 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 31 8 Guru Har Krishan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia July 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1656 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1661 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1664 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 7 9 Guru Tegh Bahadur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia April 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1621 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia March 20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1665 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia November 11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1675 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 54 10 Gobind Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia December 22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1666 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia November 11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1675 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1708 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sikhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Main article: Sikh gurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Sikh_Gurus_with_Bhai_Bala_and_Bhai_Mardana.jpg/250px-Sikh_Gurus_with_Bhai_Bala_and_Bhai_Mardana.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sikh_Gurus_with_Bhai_Bala_and_Bhai_Mardana.j pg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sikh_Gurus_with_Bhai_Bala_and_Bhai_Mardana.j pg)
A rare Tanjore painting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia style painting from the late 19th century depicting the ten Sikh Gurus with Bhai Bala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Bhai Mardana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


The term Guru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia comes from the Sanskrit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia gurū, meaning teacher, guide or mentor. The traditions and philosophy of Sikhism were established by ten specific gurus from 1507 to 1708. Each guru added to and reinforced the message taught by the previous, resulting in the creation of the Sikh religion. Guru Nanak Dev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was the first guru and appointed a disciple as successor. Gobind Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was the final guru in human form. Before his death, Gobind Singh decreed that the Guru Granth Sahib - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia would be the final and perpetual guru of the Sikhs.[11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism#_note-granthfinalguru)

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 06:24 PM
Guru Har Krishan (Punjabi language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ) (Born in Rupnagar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Punjab, India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India on July 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1656 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as – March 30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1664 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Delhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) was the eighth of Sikh gurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and he became Guru on October 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1661 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia following in the footsteps of his father, Guru Har Rai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Before Guru Har Krishan died, he nominated his granduncle, Guru Tegh Bahadur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, as the next Guru of the Sikhs.
The following is a summary of the main highlights of his short life: as he died at the age of seven:

hutanic
02-08-2007, 06:41 PM
The Koran says Christ Jesus(Isa) will return to destroy the Antichrist

Do you dispute the Koran as well Syrengy777 ?
(sounds like it)

U woud ofcourse be talking about DAJJAL? becouse after all he is considerd ANTICHRIST in Islam.

In case u were then know that he isnt even mentioned in kuran. So jesus(isa) cant realy fight him if there isnt any talk about the guy. There is on other hand mentioned Iblis(satan) but that is whole other story. So next time atlest read kuran before acting to be some upholder of righteousness.

anoninnyc
02-08-2007, 06:48 PM
My name is Tara.

tara is a persian name meaning star.

kooo
02-08-2007, 07:23 PM
tara is a persian name meaning star.

Thanks that's interesting, just did a quick search..

Tara, in Hindi (Aryan) language means star.

There is also a psychiatric hospital called Tara in Johannesburg :D

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 07:29 PM
Thanks that's interesting, just did a quick search..

Tara, in Hindi (Aryan) language means star.

There is also a psychiatric hospital called Tara in Johannesburg :D
..................

:D We have a word we use up North of England which means goodbye Ta Ra.

kooo
02-08-2007, 07:31 PM
..................

:D We have a word we use up North of England which means goodbye Ta Ra.

Ooo I know that one!

Here's another, Taraverymuch!

Tara4now :D

times7
02-08-2007, 07:35 PM
U woud ofcourse be talking about DAJJAL? becouse after all he is considerd ANTICHRIST in Islam.

In case u were then know that he isnt even mentioned in kuran. So jesus(isa) cant realy fight him if there isnt any talk about the guy. There is on other hand mentioned Iblis(satan) but that is whole other story. So next time atlest read kuran before acting to be some upholder of righteousness.

No Koran says Jesus(Isa )will return to destroy Antichrist the Dajjal

This is a FACT not a view point

Your the one who should read up BUDDY

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 07:36 PM
Ooo I know that one!

Here's another, Taraverymuch!

Tara4now :D
.................

:D It's a little early
in the evening for goodbyes.
I'm a strange mixture of races. Irish, English, scouse, wool. Yes scouse ( Liverpool) wool ( lancashire ) could be considered to be two separate races, they certainly have their own language and strange customs which lot's can't understand.

My brother inlaw is half asian. I have a German Great grand father and it's rumored theres a bit of Jew somewhere in the family too.

kooo
02-08-2007, 07:46 PM
.................

:D It's a little early
in the evening for goodbyes.
I'm a strange mixture of races. Irish, English, scouse, wool. Yes scouse ( Liverpool) wool ( lancashire ) could be considered to be two separate races, they certainly have their own language and strange customs which lot's can't understand.

My brother inlaw is half asian. I have a German Great grand father and it's rumored theres a bit of Jew somewhere in the family too.

You were doing so well up until the thieving scallywag and Jew connections. I don't want to be your friend anymore :D

Germans are pretty cool though. I like Germans, the men have nice legs.

times7
02-08-2007, 07:52 PM
U woud ofcourse be talking about DAJJAL? becouse after all he is considerd ANTICHRIST in Islam.

In case u were then know that he isnt even mentioned in kuran. So jesus(isa) cant realy fight him if there isnt any talk about the guy. There is on other hand mentioned Iblis(satan) but that is whole other story. So next time atlest read kuran before acting to be some upholder of righteousness.

see link

http://psychicinvestigator.com/demo/999D.htm

cheeb
02-08-2007, 07:57 PM
No Koran says Jesus(Isa )will return to destroy Antichrist the Dajjal

This is a FACT not a view point

Your the one who should read up BUDDY

It is not mentioned in the quaran,
show me the sura,

Al dhajjal-the imposter,
is mentioned in the haddith,
the sayings of the prophet muhammid(pboh)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?=45951#post45951

This says to me that you and James are not truth sayers,
you are liars,
or gossips,
or deceivers,

At best ill informed
at worst falsehood spreaders,

times7
02-08-2007, 08:00 PM
It is not mentioned in the quaran,
show me the sura,

Al dhajjal-the imposter,
is mentioned in the haddith,
the sayings of the prophet muhammid(pboh)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?=45951#post45951

This says to me that you and James are not truth sayers,
you are liars,
or gossips,
or deceivers,

At best ill informed
at worst falsehood spreaders,

I have posted a link,its a FACT that Koran say Isa(Jesus) will return to destroy antichrist (the dajjal)


Its ok,i wouldnt expect an occultist to understand BASIC TRUTH,after all you are Antichrist arent YOU

cheeb
02-08-2007, 08:02 PM
I have posted a link,its a FACT that Koran say Isa(Jesus) will return to destroy antichrist (the dajjal)


Its ok,i wouldnt expect an occultist to understand BASIC TRUTH,after all you are Antichrist arent YOU

liar!!!
What sura?

It's mentioned in the haddith,

not once in the quaran.

times7
02-08-2007, 08:08 PM
liar!!!
What sura?

It's mentioned in the haddith,

not once in the quaran.

Tell that to the leader of Iran then you antichrist occultist

Christ Jesus (Isa) is more quoted in Koran than Mahhamad,Koran refers to Revelation thats the point you antichrist

also the haddith

FACT

cheeb
02-08-2007, 08:16 PM
Tell that to the leader of Iran then you antichrist occultist

Christ Jesus (Isa) is more quoted in Koran than Mahhamad,Koran refers to Revelation thats the point you antichrist

also the haddith

FACT

You antichrist deceiver,
lying about holy texts,
jesus(pboh) is in koran,

Al dhajjal is not,

you lie about this, what else do you lie about,

the fire awaits you demon.

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 08:21 PM
You were doing so well up until the thieving scallywag and Jew connections. I don't want to be your friend anymore :D

Germans are pretty cool though. I like Germans, the men have nice legs.

..............
LOL maybe that's why I can't accept one religion all these different genes having an eternal, internal conflict. :rolleyes:

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 08:24 PM
Krishna conciousness Hare Krishna some compare it to Christ conciousness. It is actually teachings from the Hindu Vedas, that's one connection I can make synergy.

The chants of Buddhism aum om? same as Khrishna chants? Amen = Christianity sounds similar to Aum om when spoken. Leads us back to Amen Ra, Egyptian? shit I'm confusing myself now.

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 08:48 PM
[quote=times7;89349]Tell that to the leader of Iran then you antichrist occultist

..............
What's with you anyone who differs to you're opinion and even has facts to back up their own opinion to prove you wrong you call them antichrist.

Only label I would attach to cheeb is he has great sense of humour.

You times 7 identify yourself o warped venemous one keyboard manipulator of filth and disinfo.

anoninnyc
02-08-2007, 09:05 PM
lol..... you are ALL the antichirsts.........

Anyway, I am not surprised that Tara also means star in Hindi, Farsi and Hindi, etc. are from the same source.

Now I am not a religious expert or anything but I do find it interesting that in the "New Testament" somewhere when Jesus is born the three magi, or three wise men came for a visit bringing gifts and to pay homage to jesus. now the magi are zoroastrian priests from ancient persia.

the similarities between christ and krishna seem obvious to me. aum and amen etc. as someone else pointed out.

times7
02-08-2007, 09:34 PM
[quote=times7;89349]Tell that to the leader of Iran then you antichrist occultist

..............
What's with you anyone who differs to you're opinion and even has facts to back up their own opinion to prove you wrong you call them antichrist.

Only label I would attach to cheeb is he has great sense of humour.

You times 7 identify yourself o warped venemous one keyboard manipulator of filth and disinfo.


YOU are the disinfo filth talker ETERNAL SPIRIT attacking religious Jews and talking utter rubbish saying Jews would be alright if they were atheist,any way you are antichrist your always attacking christians and defending criminals like the hells angels,your an antichrist moron,youve got a lot in common with Marilyn Manson you just dress differently thats all

I dont think the Palestinians would agree with your stupid views on atheist Jews
The atheist Jews murder and kill Palestians and plot a war on Iran,to add on to the list of crimes atheist Jews have commited,war after war in the Mid east thanks to atheist Zionists.

Religious Jews speak out against the crimes of Israel this is a FACT.

Atheists are the most blood thirsty savages in HISTORY that is also a FACT
(your not keen on facts are you eternal)

Moa(atheist) 80 million MURDERED

Stalin(atheist) 60 million MURDERED

PolPot(astheist) 1/3 of cambodia MURDERED

Kim Jong(atheist) mass MURDERER

Why dont you speak out against atheism Eternal or Darwins racist filth of lower evolved human beings ? WHY<WHY<WHY ?
( it is because you have been brainwashed to think atheism is peaceful)



Tell me why you think atheist Jews are so good when all the evidence says other wise, your just another Antichrist god hater with no Truth in your heart,other wise you wouldnt talk LIES about religious Jews and make a complete fool of yourself.


Why dont you sod of and live in North Korea Eternal ? religion is banned over there and the people have atheism rammed down their throats as they starve to death
(because your another hypocrite atheist thats why eternal)


btw

heres a link that uses quotes from Qur`an to describe the end times,were Christ Jesus (Isa) will return to destroy Antichrist.
(granted the haddiths spell this out more clearly)


What difference does it make any way ?,Muslims believe Christ Jesus(Isa) will return to destroy Antichrist,so the point STANDS



http://www.harunyahya.com/mahdi02.php


Case proven


btw


Godless occultists always turn their hate on the followers of the Messiah


Jesus Christ

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 09:41 PM
LOL Go read some of my posts in the Satanism section times 7. As for disinfo you got the wrong man.

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 09:46 PM
Darwin was a Mason. Look dickhead my granfather left Ierland to get away from the Christian protestant catholic religous war at age 15. Muslim versus jew religion again?

BTW do you realise the Masons use the Bible of christianity?

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 10:00 PM
[quote=eternal_spirit;89374]


YOU are the disinfo filth talker ETERNAL SPIRIT attacking religious Jews and talking utter rubbish saying Jews would be alright if they were atheist,any way you are antichrist your always attacking christians and defending criminals like the hells angels,your an antichrist moron,youve got a lot in common with Marilyn Manson you just dress differently thats all

Why dont you sod of and live in North Korea Eternal ? religion is banned over there and the people have atheism rammed down their throats as they starve to death
(because your another hypocrite atheist thats why)


Godless occultists always turn their hate on the followers of the Messiah


Jesus Christ
................
Look think we done the Jew thing on another thread Mr flibberty gibbot parrot mouth.
Remember the racist evil filth the Torah, Talmud tells the religous ones to follow?

Well better to be called a Godless occultist than a brainwashed heartless Christian :) where is this love you speak of? And show me where I constantly bash Christians? It's all religion I know is brainwashing bullshit the words of man not God.

Hypocrite think you speak of yourself.
Your the disinfo merchant trying to convince others that JC is the son of God etc etc yawn. No proof is there? :D
If Jesus even existed he would be dissapointed in you.
In the Bible it was Jesus who rebelled against the Jewish priesthood right?

eternal_spirit
02-08-2007, 10:12 PM
Why dont you sod of and live in North Korea Eternal ? religion is banned over there and the people have atheism rammed down their throats as they starve to death
(because your another hypocrite atheist thats why eternal)

...................................

No need There are more of us unbelievers here in the Uk so we outnumber you Christians. We haven't had a religous war for a few hundred years, why? because us wiser ones don't follow and live by you're christian, judaic, masonic book of lies. :)

Go figure Satanism evolved from you're Holy Bible, then you lot burnt witches who were mostly ( herbalists truth seekers healers )

anoninnyc
02-08-2007, 11:29 PM
funny thing is you both have valid points........ if you both just stepped back and actually listened to what each other are saying it seems as if you are both against terrible violence and atrocities. mao, stalin, pol pot were all atheists this is true just as it is true terrible killing has been done in the name of religion as far back as we can remember. perhaps instead of focusing on god, if he exists or not, we should all focus on our fellow man and how he is our brother and sister. we are all connected to one another. this is a truth of spirituality and science alike. in fact science and the spirituality of budhism, sufism, native american spirituality, vedanta, etc all point to the same truth. it is religion that messes things up and atheism can be just as much of a religion as catholicism for example. i believe that you can be christian but not religious if you follow the true philosophy of jesus christ or whoever that teacher was. once structure and organization of religion or communism or whatever happens then mankinds ego nature gets in the way and the system be it religious or atheist- it all goes wrong and turns towards destruction.

anoninnyc
02-08-2007, 11:34 PM
bowing down to some warrior god, be it a deity or political dictator or money or whatever leads to destruction and terror. true mystics have always known that they are god......... like the sufi master hallaj's assertation that i am god...... or jesus christ saying i am the son of god...... or david icke for that matter...... god is within each and everyone of us. there is no need for us to bow down at an altar at a church, mosque, bank, shopping mall, political rally, it is ALL the same crap....... it is just crap.... garbage.... rubbish.

december
03-08-2007, 12:01 AM
http://viewzone.com/davidkoresh.html

Both Christ and Krishna descended from Noah.
The future births of both messiahs were predicted ahead of time.
Christ was descended from Abraham
Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).
Christ was at once a Koresh, a Hebrew, and a Yehudi.
Krishna was at once a Kurus, an Abhira, and a Yadava.
Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.
Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.
Christ's first name, Jesus, was Yeshua.
A title of Krishna, meaning "love; devotion," was Yesu. Even today, many Hindu parents name their sons, Yesu Krishna.
Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.
Krishna's mother was named Devaki.
Jesus mother was called Mary.
Krishna did not have an earthly father as such, but a protector, named Vasudeva.
Jesus did not have an earthly father as such, but a mortal protector named Joseph.
An evil king tried to kill Christ and Krishna when they were both infants.
To protect the infant Jesus, Joseph and Mary took him to Maturai, Egypt.
To protect the infant Krishna, his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, took him to Mathura, India.

What this actually means (I think) is not that Krishna was a king in some village of Jerusalem, but that those people who cooked up (invented) the stories which we find in the Bible simply "borrowed" the whole concept and even names from India.

Sarasvati became a Jewish woman Sara(h).

And Hindu God of creation Brahma was turned into Jew Abram.
They just placed the last letter at the beginning of the word Brahma...

How creative... :D

eternal_spirit
03-08-2007, 12:09 AM
Sorry about before, this argument spilled over from another thread. BTW would that make Vishnu or some other God ( demon ) the Devil, Satan isn't there a shatan too?

cheeb
03-08-2007, 12:31 AM
The Koran says Christ Jesus(Isa) will return to destroy the Antichrist

Do you dispute the Koran as well Syrengy777 ?
(sounds like it)
These satanistst are like Wolves in sheep clothing,
Dell and Times 7'
The curse of Cain,
They are legion,
They have blasphemed against the holy spirit'
They get what they deserve,
A place in the fire

mark3,28-30,

Ignore these devils.

anoninnyc
03-08-2007, 12:32 AM
Sorry about before, this argument spilled over from another thread. BTW would that make Vishnu or some other God ( demon ) the Devil, Satan isn't there a shatan too?

i thought the hindu trinity is brahma- like the holy spirit, actually everything and shiva- destroyer- like god the father of the old testament and vishnu- the preserver- like jesus christ. i believe krishna is an incarnation of vishnu.

anyone know if i am correct?

eternal_spirit
03-08-2007, 12:40 AM
i thought the hindu trinity is brahma- like the holy spirit, actually everything and shiva- destroyer- like god the father of the old testament and vishnu- the preserver- like jesus christ. i believe krishna is an incarnation of vishnu.

anyone know if i am correct?
.................
I'm getting the creator aspect mixed with the destroyer oh dear. But according to Tantric vedas I thought shakti is the female principal and shiva the male principality, the union of these creates a third aspect?

cheeb
03-08-2007, 12:54 AM
Shiva/Vishnu
very similar,
distruction?creation,

Oppenheimer quoted
" am become death, destroyer of worlds"

Vishnus thing ," I beleive"
Or shivas

Oppenheimer- father of Atomic Bomb

hutanic
03-08-2007, 01:14 AM
I have posted a link,its a FACT that Koran say Isa(Jesus) will return to destroy antichrist (the dajjal)


Its ok,i wouldnt expect an occultist to understand BASIC TRUTH,after all you are Antichrist arent YOU

That was just a link to article witch is not proving anything.
"In Islamic theology, it is believed that the Mahdi will come to help the Messiah (i.e., Jesus, referred to in Islam as `Isa ibn Mariyam) to defeat the Antichrist (literally, al-Masih al-Dajjal means "the Deceiving Messiah"), before establishing a just Islamic social order in preparation for Judgement Day." Quote from your link.

And it clearly says "In Islamic theology" not Kuran. U only showed that u are in fact lier and deceiver (U soud read what book in witch u pretend u believe and have read says about those)

Plus it is really nice to see how u skip to many different topics as soon as u are not able to provide asnwer to your accusations. So give us link from kuran where it is Dajjal is mentioned or get away from forums u deceiver. And know that u not only lies but u also acused others of wrong doing where there was none.

Finally about your "Tell that to the leader of Iran then you Antichrist occultist"
comment. I do not care what he thinks because form info i heard he is as well part of new world order is only working to deceive ego driven fools like u. In case that one day in future proves to be true then he is less then me so i care not about any such man. Plus all u who call your selfs Muslims shod at lest read book in witch u clame to believe and see for your self what is sad in it so that religious leaders and NWO can not drag u in any direction they want.

Now provide sura or don't respond to me at all.

P.S. Cheeb thnx for standing for truth:)

cheeb
03-08-2007, 01:31 AM
That was just a link to article witch is not proving anything.
"In Islamic theology, it is believed that the Mahdi will come to help the Messiah (i.e., Jesus, referred to in Islam as `Isa ibn Mariyam) to defeat the Antichrist (literally, al-Masih al-Dajjal means "the Deceiving Messiah"), before establishing a just Islamic social order in preparation for Judgement Day." Quote from your link.

And it clearly says "In Islamic theology" not Kuran. U only showed that u are in fact lier and deceiver (U soud read what book in witch u pretend u believe and have read says about those)

Plus it is really nice to see how u skip to many different topics as soon as u are not able to provide asnwer to your accusations. So give us link from kuran where it is Dajjal is mentioned or get away from forums u deceiver. And know that u not only lies but u also acused others of wrong doing where there was none.

Finally about your "Tell that to the leader of Iran then you Antichrist occultist"
comment. I do not care what he thinks because form info i heard he is as well part of new world order is only working to deceive ego driven fools like u. In case that one day in future proves to be true then he is less then me so i care not about any such man. Plus all u who call your selfs Muslims shod at lest read book in witch u clame to believe and see for your self what is sad in it so that religious leaders and NWO can not drag u in any direction they want.

Now provide sura or don't respond to me at all.

P.S. Cheeb thnx for standing for truth:)

cheers,#
Well I got my truth from the muslims ,at the mosque in Gloster.
It can be a little bit scary at first
But they are all right, not all terrorists,
Just people like you and me,
The powers that rule,
Want you to hate muslims,
Its crap,
Find out about this beautiful religion,
From the people who practice it

PS its still brainwashing though.

Thanks hutanic,I thought I was on my own for a while.
good proper research.

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03-08-2007, 01:36 AM
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cheeb
03-08-2007, 02:33 AM
One good thing to emerge from this thread,
Is that now we know who are the falsifiers of truth,
root them out,
they are trying to destroy this truth movement,
in its infancy,
They are weeds ,
destroying this young tree,
this sapling will soon become'
the mighty oak,
if allowed to grow

kasalt
03-08-2007, 12:23 PM
Both men [Christ and Krishna] were born of virgins and in a stable.

This must be the third time I have come across this claim in these forums. I don't know where this idea came from, but it is a popular misconception here.

Krishna was not born of a virgin through a purely supernatural conception. He was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki and her husband Vasudeva. Krishna was born in a prison, not in a stable. Traditional belief based on scriptural details and astrological calculations gives Krishna's birth date as July 19th 3228 B.C.E. (i.e., Krishna was not born on December 25th.) Source: Wikipedia

The Advent of Lord Krsna:
http://krsnabook.com/ch1.html

kasalt
04-08-2007, 11:49 AM
i thought the hindu trinity is brahma- like the holy spirit, actually everything and shiva- destroyer- like god the father of the old testament and vishnu- the preserver- like jesus christ. i believe krishna is an incarnation of vishnu.

anyone know if i am correct?

As with so many questions, the answer you receive will differ depending upon who it is you are asking. However:

"If we are intelligent we will take our understanding of God and His expansions from the authorized Vedic literatures instead of speculating in various ways. By accepting and applying the scriptures we will personally realize God.

It is clearly described in the Srimad Bhagavatam that while Vishnu is indeed the source of all the incarnations of God, Krishna is the origin of Vishnu. In other words, Krishna is not an incarnation, He is the original form of God Himself. For the sake of His transcendental pastimes He appears within this world as do many of His incarnations. This, however, does not detract from His position as the original source of everything as He explains in the Bhagavad-gita:

"I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts." Bhagavad-gita 10.8

Krishna clearly describes in the Bhagavad-gita that He is origin of everything and Lord Brahma confirms that Lord Krishna is the origin of all. In the Srimad Bhagavatam in which Krishna is listed as the one of the incarnations it is clearly stated that He is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead.

When Krishna says that everything emanates from Him this means literally everything, including Lord Vishnu. Great realized souls have described that Vishnu possesses 96% of the qualities of Krishna, so we cannot say that Krishna is the one avatar wherein Lord Vishnu manifested all His qualities.

Krishna exists in Goloka Vrindavan in His original form of Krishna and simultaneously exists in His form of Vishnu in Vaikuntha. He can also simultaneously manifest unlimited number of incarnations engaged in unlimited numbers of activities in an unlimited number of universes. This is the omnipotency of God. He is not limited like we are to be in one place doing one thing at a time."

http://www.sda-archives.com/tftd/2004/dec/tftd_122204.html

I will add further that the material realm is composed of not just one but innumerable universes, and each universe has its own Brahma (creator), Vishnu (Preserver), and Shiva (Destroyer). Krishna is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead from which the Vishnus of all universes originates.

synergy777
04-08-2007, 05:10 PM
the gods are aspects/functions of the creator, not actual gods. the origin of the jews according to jewish historian flavius josephus was india, in contra apinon.

here are some more vedic links.

jesus in india - Google Search

http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm

http://www.jesus.com.au/html/page/jesus_in_india

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/did_not_die/jesus_did_not_die_02.php

http://www.jainmathemagics.com/default.asp

http://www.vedicfriends.org/index.htm

http://www.salagram.net/VWHEurope.html

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET14-8222.html

http://www.viewzone.com/VIEW.ZONE.html

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html

http://www.gosai.com/science/sanskrit-enlightenment.html

also for anon, and anyone else interested in PNAC target number 3, iran

http://www.iranian.com/

mariag
04-08-2007, 08:42 PM
You antichrist deceiver,
lying about holy texts,
jesus(pboh) is in koran,

Al dhajjal is not,

you lie about this, what else do you lie about,

the fire awaits you demon.

I LOVE YOU

CAN YOU PLEASE STOP THIS REDICULOUS FIGHTING ABOUT THIS ISHA AND DHAJJAL IT IS POINTLESS YOU HAVE BOTH MADE YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND NONE OF YOU ARE GETTING ANYWHERE SO FOR THE LOVE OF ALL LIVING WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP THE FIGHT

THANK YOU

eternal_spirit
05-08-2007, 04:58 PM
.................
I'm getting the creator aspect mixed with the destroyer oh dear. But according to Tantric vedas I thought shakti is the female principal and shiva the male principality, the union of these creates a third aspect?
....................
like i said lol


Only when Shiva is united with Shakti does he have the power to create - Saundaryalahari

Second-hand knowledge of the self gathered from books or gurus can never emancipate a man until its truth is rightly investigated and applied; only direct realisation will do that. Realise yourself, turning the mind inward. - Tripura Rahasya, 18: 89
Tantra, or more properly tantrika, is a diverse and rich spiritual tradition of the Indian sub-continent. Although in recent years, in the Western world, it has become almost exclusively associated with sex, in reality this is one aspect of what is a way of life. In India itself, tantra is now, nearly always, associated with spells and black deeds.
Neither of these views is correct, and each wildly underestimates the wide-ranging nature of the different traditions. Further, there remains an ocean of tantrik and agamic literature still to be discovered and translated, spanning a period of time which at least reaches back to the 10th century of the common era (c.e.).
The tradition, or perhaps better, the traditions, underwent many phases and schools over this period of time, ranging from an extremely heterodox viewpoint to, in some cases, a very orthodox standpoint. Refer to this page (http://www.shivashakti.com/schools.htm) to see the vast diversity of thoughts and practices subsumed under the word "tantra". Much of the material on this site is related to the Kaula tradition in many of its guises. The work kaula is cognate with clan and the communities venerated a huge number of gods (devas) and goddesses (devis). On this large Web site you will find yantra, mantra, tantra and other material relating to some of the different traditions; texts on the siddhas, gurus and yogis of the Natha sampradaya including Gorakhnath, Matsyendranath and Dattatreya; much about kundalini, nadis, chakras; images of tantric kula devas (gods) and devis (goddesses) including Kali, Tripura, Shiva, Ganesha, Cchinnamasta, Durga and Tara; pujas and practices; meditations and dharanas; the inner meaning of kaulachara, vamachara and svecchacharya; an extensive bibliography, and original English translations as well as links to other sites.

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eternal_spirit
05-08-2007, 05:02 PM
http://www.egothemag.com/archives/images/design/donna_main.jpgAt the entrance of Donna D'Cruz's Gramercy Park apartment are two figures. Shiva and Shakti, the male and female energies of the world. Dangling from Shakti's slender fingers is a diamond studded set of headphones that Dolce and Gabana gifted Donna because she DJs for so many upscale parties. Donna is the founder of raSa music which markets and celebrates music from all over the world.
EGO: When did you move here?
DC: April 26 1991. Anzac day, which is like the Australian Memorial Day, is on the 25th of April, so I arrived the next day. I came to New York with $400 in my pocket and one phone number of a one person that I hoped to meet given to me by a friend in Melbourne.I knew.
EGO: Why New York?
DC: Well, really, why not New York? New York represents the universe in so many ways. New York’s energy is divinely female. She seems hard and abrasive at first, but, like a courtesan, she will seduce you if you know how to lover her. You have to let her accept you, find you, love you. And she doesn’t love everyone. You can tell who’s going to survive and who isn’t. New York is not for everyone. If you have an idea, she dares you to pursue it, and if you do, she lets you survive. London, Paris, no other place has quite the infrastructure, the melding system, that New York does. If you’re an entrepreneur New York is perfect. You can make a living here if you have the balls to do it. And if you have compassion in New York, she’ll let you survive here. You have to see the goodness in everyday things, to talk to the taxi drivers, to notice the few trees, to acknowledge the homeless people. If you stop for the every day moments, the city opens up to you.

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luzifer
03-08-2010, 10:51 AM
"Melito (a Christian bishop of Sardis) in the year 170, claims the patronage of the emperor, for the now so-called Christian religion, which he calls "our philosophy," on account of its high antiquity, has having been imported from countries lying beyond the limits of the Roman empire, in the region of his ancestor Augustus, who found the importation ominous of good fortune to his government." This is an absolute demonstration that Christianity did not originate in Judea, which was a Roman province, but really was an exotic oriental fable, imported from India, and that Paul was doing as he claimed, viz: preaching a God manifest in the flesh who had been "believed in the world" centuries before his time, and a doctrine which had already been preached "unto every creature under heaven." (Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions; T. W. Doane, p. 409.)

damn real good post man! and after reading your post i read about krishna and christ and even issaah of muslims and very accurate stuff !!!! 101 % accurate stuff....
and im not religious but i do believe in god.... but i did my own research on all this stuff....

all these religions have the same origin....but yeh noone will understand nor listen to the truth instead they will keep fighting over such stuff
i think all these religions are man made stuff as christ/krishna
and kinda something very interesting i found out is that christ and krishna share the same story but christians have missed the story of krishna/christ 's youth when he was kinda playing :D with other females if u can understand what i mean....maybe they did this intentionly as noone would want there god to be having fun :D with other females and not being with his wife....
and suddenly christ starts to perform miracles! they ate the whole main exciting part!!!!

and kinda muslims also call isaah and even in those hindi people it is mentioned isaah as krishna ....and above all hindi is oldest religion right? scientists have done that carbon dating stuff on ved etc and this thing has been proven.... so my point is what if they made this muslim stuff outta that tooo
means all religions came outta from one thing but they changed the names and added their own stuff just to be different or whatever

and one more thing that is my personal opinion i dont think that krishna/christ was god or anything like that.... u can call them good humans or whatever as they may have done some good deeds but look at krishna life he had a wife and he was having fun with all the other women and not just one but over hundreds ....
so he didnt loved his wife? thats why he needed over 100s of females to have fun with? was he carried away in lust? as i personally dont think that a good perfect human would ever be disloyal to his wife atleast or feel the need of other females that also over hundreds of them
think yourself would his wife would be happy about it? that her husband is with 100s of females and not with her .... if u have any brains u can understand what i mean.... blah
[and christians were clever they knew adding this would caus' them trouble thats why they skipped this portion of christ story :D]
that guy may have did a few good stuff/deeds for people and they made a god outta him and all others just followed.... blah
caus' think yourself if christ died for sins of humans as they say then what sins he took? world is more filthy and humans have grown more wicked....
everyone has to pay for his own sins noone can take noone sins away.... and most humans like the idea of someone else taking there sins away thats why people invented this religion thing just to control masses.... god didnt made no religions anyway and noone has seen god.... and he doesnt have to take a full 9 month birth if he/she or whatever wants to come to earth.... its kinda very simple to understand ....


and some person above said that krishna wasnt born of virgin ....well i searched that stuff and u are wrong my frnd hindi say that the so called god vishnu transferred the baby into some other female womb or something like that as there was fear of some king killing that baby and blah blah do your research first hah....


anyway muslims christians or hindis dont curse me for this post i have typed what i believe in and your negative comments wont change my point of view ....anyway so just.... :eek:

the truth is out there - X FILES :eek: