Islam don't like homo sexuals? they kill them?

[eternal_spirit]

What's this all about?

[eternal_spirit]

5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered (http://www.rawa.org/handcut.htm) a stone wall to be pushed over onto three men convicted of sodomy. Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.
In its 1991 Constitution, in Articles 108-113, Iran adopted (http://www.ilga.info/Information/Legal_survey/middle%20east/iran.htm) the punishment of execution for sodomy.
In April 2005, a Kuwaiti cleric says (http://memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/674.htm) homosexuals should be thrown off a mountain or stoned to death.
On April 7, 2005, it was reported (http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/saudi_arabia/saudinews040.htm) that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for "gay conduct."
These homosexuals were lucky. Early Islam would have executed them, as these hadith demonstrate.
Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s cousin and highly reliable transmitter of hadith, reports the following about early Islam and Muhammad’s punishment of homosexuals: . . . "If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done" (Abu Dawud no. 4447 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/038.sat.html#038.4447)).
This hadith passage says that homosexuals should be burned alive or have wall pushed on them:
Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God’s messenger as saying, "Accursed is he who does what Lot’s people did." In a version . . . on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law] had two people burned and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad’s chief companion] had a wall thrown down on them. (Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments)
Though this punishment of a wall being toppled on them is extreme, the Taliban were merely following the origins of their religion.
In contrast, Jesus Christ fulfills (http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/fulfilled.htm) the severe Old Testament punishment for homosexuals (stoning), so the church now deals with this sin in a new way under the NEW Covenant—forgiveness and restoration.
If the reader would like to see the confusion in the Quran on the matter of homosexuality, the severity in the hadith, and excessive rulings of classical fiqh, they should see the supporting article (http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/homosexual.htm) The article has links to many discussions on Islamic punishments of homosexuals (scroll down to "Supplemental material

[lottie]

What's this all about?

LOL...oh eternal... :rolleyes:

[adbasque]

**Yawn**

[eternal_spirit]

Typical response from the Muslims.

They care not about yet another example of discrimination and hatred of other groups by Islam.


Nothing to say?

[yozhik]

Well it would seem we can thank the Muslims for answering a question that has plagued western culture for eons ...

Or at least it answers those homophobes amongst us.

There are a group of individuals who subscribe to the belief that homosexuals are paedophiles.
Well, not according to Islam and out intrepid truther, eternal_poster. :rolleyes:

On this thread he is telling us that Muslims kill homosexuals.
On another thread he is stating that Muslims are paedophiles.
Seems homosexuals and paedophiles are mutually exclusive ... in the Islamic teachings ... according to eternal_ranter ...

:rolleyes:

[adbasque]

**Yawn**

**Yawn**

http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1240.gif

[adbasque]

Well it would seem we can thank the Muslims for answering a question that has plagued western culture for eons ...

Or at least it answers those homophobes amongst us.

There are a group of individuals who subscribe to the belief that homosexuals are paedophiles.
Well, not according to Islam and out intrepid truther, eternal_poster. :rolleyes:

On this thread he is telling us that Muslims kill homosexuals.
On another thread he is stating that Muslims are paedophiles.
Seems homosexuals and paedophiles are mutually exclusive ... in the Islamic teachings ... according to eternal_ranter ...

:rolleyes:

:D one has to laugh it's better

[eternal_spirit]

On this thread he is telling us that Muslims kill homosexuals.
On another thread he is stating that Muslims are paedophiles.
Seems homosexuals and paedophiles are mutually exclusive ... in the Islamic teachings ... according to eternal_ranter ...

:rolleyes:
It's actually Islam that tells us these things. I'm just the messenger.
This one :)

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1076808#post1076808)
Quote from faithfreedom.org (http://faithfreedom.org/)

Quran 52:24 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/052.qmt.html#052.024) Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded. Also in Surah 76:19 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/076.qmt.html#076.019) Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men. And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. I apologize if the above picture is disturbing. It is indeed disturbing. But it would be more disturbing if no one spoke about it. When Catholic priests molest children there is a law, there is a justice that holds them accountable. The Mullahs ARE the law, justice and the government. So they can do their shameful acts in public and who is going to stop them?

Homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death but pederasty is permissible.

http://news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/176-1/mollah.jpg

[adbasque]

http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1240.gif

[eternal_spirit]

:D one has to laugh it's betterReal funny death or other forms of punishments and discrimation for being a homo. Yet peadophilia is allowed, because that's okay according to the Quaran.

[adbasque]

Well it would seem we can thank the Muslims for answering a question that has plagued western culture for eons ...

Or at least it answers those homophobes amongst us.

There are a group of individuals who subscribe to the belief that homosexuals are paedophiles.
Well, not according to Islam and out intrepid truther, eternal_poster. :rolleyes:

On this thread he is telling us that Muslims kill homosexuals.
On another thread he is stating that Muslims are paedophiles.
Seems homosexuals and paedophiles are mutually exclusive ... in the Islamic teachings ... according to eternal_ranter ...

:rolleyes:

Yes Muslims kill homosexuals and they are homosexuals themselves, depends what books you read lol
http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1240.gif
If you read trolls you get a head full of SH*** and trollism.

[eternal_spirit]

What's this all about?
well?

[quetzalcoatl]

LOL...oh eternal... :rolleyes:

Indeed.. LOL! - Least he ain't boring wif it! (?) :D

Then again it might juz be jealously he can't legally have 9 or more under-age slaves *cough* 'wives', I mean.. :p

[quetzalcoatl]

This could get ugly.. I'm gettin outa ere! :eek:

[mind1universe]

who cares,

Religion is deception.

I will name the Illuminati religions.

Christianity
Islam
Judaism
and eternal spirit's god damn crap. Your time is up.

[eternal_spirit]

who cares,

Religion is deception.

I will name the Illuminati religions.

Christianity
Islam
Judaism
and eternal spirit's god damn crap. Your time is up.
We got a real sicko here folks. He's one of my latest stalkers. (my time is up that's the third time you've said that tonight) Saying it 3 times won't make it any more true.

[kasalt]

Homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death but pederasty is permissible.

http://news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/176-1/mollah.jpg

Does that picture make anyone else feel like...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/31.gif

[mind1universe]

looooooool.....

[mind1universe]

Eternal spiirt you need to get a life.

[wise haven]

Yawn! indeed.......

I am getting really weary trying to draw attention to the "bleeding obvious" that the gay/feminist/disabled/black/asian/insert any religion/white/culture/nation/philosphy divisions etc. arguments are all, purely, a way to divide and rule us human beings here on earth so that we never get our shit together for long enough to suss out the fact that we are being controlled to the extent that we are either meat/pets,curiosities or slaves to an elitist bunch of bastards that use us as labour and entertainment for their own ends...............sigh!

Don't you get it yet?

The clues are here and out there FFS :rolleyes:

[bendoon]

22 posts and no one has refuted ES's claim.

Do I take that as an admission that he has scored a win. :)

[lizzy]

22 posts and no one has refuted es's claim.

Do i take that as an admission that he has scored a win.


yes

[tracker]

What's this all about?

this is not true

I havent met anyone that believes in the islamic faith that isnt a homo .:D

[mind1universe]

Eternal spirit posted this thread.


Enough said.

This is classic Illuminati drilling whats he doing. He creates these threads that stir divisons doesn't matter what it's about or what his view he expresses. read his first post's. It needs a reaction from you. What does the reaction actually do? Is the reaction required? If we didn't judge or project would eveyone on this thread of reacted in the first place.

But it always invokes and provokes the reaction of others. His profile on this boar should be seriously looked at

Thats all. Using religion as an easy target to drill hate subjection onto a particular escapegoat or minority.

[mind1universe]

I would ask the mods to review E.spirit manipulative behaviour on this board. I've noticed this behaviour on many other forums especially Abovetopsecret.com.



Where agents and people like Eternal spirit comes on to C.T sites purposely to cause these divisionists threads.

Be more aware people.:)

[eternal_spirit]

Too many people on here deny reality

mind1universe is one of the most delusional people on this forum babbling his fantasys and pushing his lies and delusions. Your ancestors may have been Lord of the Manor in Ireland for generations (probably fake Irish) or Invaders.


Your cyber whip will not work here son of slavemasters. Your more likely to be Illuminati Elite bloodlines. (reptile boy)

[1977]

The Sufis are down with it.

"The mendicant-devotee or mystic, derweesh, soofee, mejzoob, was allowed to make water while walking along the road, without even returning to the side; and every man or youth he signaled was obliged to go behind a bush with him, expose his buttocks, and suffer holy penetration. The respectful way of greeting a soofee in many areas was by kissing him, first upon the mouth, then lifting his shaggy robe, upon the navel, the penis and scrotum, and the podex. This physical manner of devout salutation was also employed in the secret initiation of every proselyte who was made to endure the enervating caresses of the entire company, and, in turn, prove his boundless virility by retaining stiff erection throughout over a dozen climaxes in the revered rites of his brethren. Were a proselyte to go limp before all were justly honored by his intromissions, he was kicked and spat upon and summarily evicted from the venerable fraternity."

Allen Edwardes, The Jewel in the Lotus, p. 218

[eternal_spirit]

Okay cheers 1977 for getting back on topic. Muslims seem to have differing views about homo sexuality.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/uk-muslim-cleric-defends-execution-of-homosexuals

[eternal_spirit]

Question: Please, could you tell me the ruling on homosexuality: sodomy and lesbianism. And if it is haram [prohibited], what is the punishment for it in Islam?

Dr. Qaradawi answers: We must be aware that in regulating the sexual drive Islam has prohibited not only illicit sexual relations and all what leads to them, but also the sexual deviation known as homosexuality. This perverted act is a reversal of the natural order, a corruption of man's sexuality, and a crime against the rights of females. (The same applies equally to the case of lesbianism.)

The spread of this depraved practice in a society disrupts its natural life pattern and makes those who practice it slaves to their lusts, depriving them of decent taste, decent morals, and a decent manner of living. The story of the people of Prophet Lut (Lot), peace be upon him, as narrated in the Qur'an should be sufficient for us. Prophet Lut's people were addicted to this shameless depravity, abandoning natural, pure, lawful relations with women in the pursuit of this unnatural, foul and illicit practice. That is why their Prophet Lut, peace be on him, told them, "What! Of all creatures, do you approach males and leave the spouses whom your Lord has created for you? Indeed, you are people transgressing (all limits)!" (Qur'an, 26: 165-166)

The strangest expression of these peoples' perversity of nature, lack of guidance, depravity of morals, and aberration of taste was their attitude toward the guests of Prophet Lut, peace be upon him. [Here follows a digression on the story of Lot as related in the Qur'an.—Eds.]

Muslim jurists have held differing opinions concerning the punishment for this abominable practice. Should it be the same as the punishment for fornication, or should both the active and passive participants be put to death? While such punishments may seem cruel, they have been suggested to maintain the purity of the Islamic society and to keep it clean of perverted elements.
http://www.meforum.org/646/the-qaradawi-fatwas

Editors' preface: In July 2004, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi visited the United Kingdom, to address several conferences, including a conference against restrictions on the hijab, or Muslim women's head-covering. (Such restrictions have already been introduced in France.) Qaradawi is a 78-year-old Egyptian cleric and preacher, with a history of activism in the Muslim Brethren. He was forced from Egypt for his views, and he lives in Qatar, where he has become a media star by virtue of his immensely popular television show on Al-Jazeera television. Qaradawi has sometimes been portrayed as a moderate, who favors a tolerant Islam and who would reconcile Islam with modernity. For example, he condemned the September 11, 2001 attacks. On these grounds, Britain issued him a visa, and the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone (Labor), strongly endorsed him.

However, Qaradawi's visit intensified interest in his legal rulings, or fatwas.[1] In particular, two rulings have contradicted the image of moderation purveyed by his supporters. The first is Qaradawi's endorsement of Palestinian suicide bombings. These attacks have been sanctioned by numerous clerics,[2] but it was on Qaradawi's authority that the Palestinian Hamas began to deploy women to carry them out.[3] The second is his strident condemnation of homosexuality, in which he has indicated his support for drastic "punishment."[4] As a result of these rulings, Qaradawi's visit to London stirred strong feelings among those appalled by suicide bombings in Israel and by violent homophobia.

Since 1999, the United States has refused to issue Qaradawi a visa, although, in earlier years, he was an occasional visitor. But in Qatar, he has appeared as a speaker in two U.S.-Islamic dialogues. Livingstone has also invited Qaradawi to return to London for the European Social Forum, scheduled to meet in mid-October 2004. In the wake of Qaradawi's London visit, it seems likely that his American supporters will renew efforts to have him admitted to the United States.

The following are the texts of the two most controversial of his fatwas, as they appear in IslamOnline.net, a website supervised by a committee headed by Qaradawi. The site presently includes nearly 150 of his fatwas, on a wide range of subjects.
Women Martyrs

[eternal_spirit]

Legal status in modern Islamic nations


Homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is a crime and forbidden in most Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia countries, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia, Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, etc. This is not the case in some secular or multi-religious Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia countries, Albania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey being examples. However, the governments of Albania, Indonesia, and Turkey are Representative democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and are not Islamic Republics, like in the case of Politics of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Same-sex intercourse officially carries the death penalty in several Muslim nations: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Mauritania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, northern Nigeria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Sudan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and Yemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. [22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-21) [23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-22) It formerly carried the death penalty in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan under the Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The legal situation in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is unclear. In many Muslim nations, such as Bahrain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Qatar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Algeria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the Maldives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, homosexuality is punished with jail time, fines, or corporal punishment. In some Muslim-majority nations, such as Turkey, Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or Mali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, same-sex intercourse is not specifically forbidden by law. In Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, openly gay men have been prosecuted under general public morality laws. (See Cairo 52 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.) On the other hand, homosexuality, while not legal, is tolerated to some extent in Lebanon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and has been legal in Turkey for decades.
In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public execution, but the government will use other punishments—e.g., fines, jail time, and Whip (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia—as alternatives, unless it feels that homosexuals are challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social movements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-23) Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest number of its citizens for homosexuality. Since the 1979 Iranian Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than 4,000 people charged with homosexual acts[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-24). In Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban, homosexuality went from a capital crime to one that it punished with fines and prison sentence.
Most international human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Amnesty International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, condemn laws that make homosexual relations between consenting adults a crime. Since 1994, the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia United Nations Human Rights Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia has also ruled that such laws violated the right to privacy guaranteed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. However, most Muslim nations (except for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey, which has been ruled by secular law since 1856 and recently has modernized its laws in order to meet the requirements of entry to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) insist that such laws are necessary to preserve Islamic morality and virtue. Of the nations with a majority of Muslim inhabitants, only Lebanon has an internal effort to legalize homosexuality.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-25)
Islam and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Rulings by scholars of Islam

Based on the principles of the Qur'an and the Hadith, several eminent scholars of Islam, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Malik, Al-Shafi‘i - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Ahmad and Ishaaq have ruled that the person guilty of homosexuality should be stoned regardless of his married or unmarried nature.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-Fatwa_IslamOnline-3)
Ibn Kathir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia's commentary on the words of Qur'an with respect to homosexuality are,

[brainfreeze]

this is not true

I havent met anyone that believes in the islamic faith that isnt a homo .:D

While living in Bahrain the Arab men seemed to have the attitude that if you were giving you werent gay but the receiver was.

A mate of mine woke up during the night after an active session with her arab boyfriend only to find him fucking his flat mate in the bathroom. That was the end of that relationship, but hey, he still had his flat mate :p

[adbasque]

Well it would seem we can thank the Muslims for answering a question that has plagued western culture for eons ...

Or at least it answers those homophobes amongst us.

There are a group of individuals who subscribe to the belief that homosexuals are paedophiles.
Well, not according to Islam and out intrepid truther, eternal_poster. :rolleyes:

On this thread he is telling us that Muslims kill homosexuals.
On another thread he is stating that Muslims are paedophiles.
Seems homosexuals and paedophiles are mutually exclusive ... in the Islamic teachings ... according to eternal_ranter ...

:rolleyes:

He gets caught in his own lies, on one hand they are all paedophiles, and on the other they kill all homosexuals, :rolleyes:

[adbasque]

While living in Bahrain the Arab men seemed to have the attitude that if you were giving you werent gay but the receiver was.

A mate of mine woke up during the night after an active session with her arab boyfriend only to find him fucking his flat mate in the bathroom. That was the end of that relationship, but hey, he still had his flat mate :p

Does it have anything to do with Islam?

you said an Arab man, what an Arab man has to do with Islam?

[wise haven]

22 posts and no one has refuted ES's claim.

Do I take that as an admission that he has scored a win. :)

Homophobia is part and parcel of Islam (Mainstream and fundamentalist alike).

I don't believe they ever try to deny that fact. It is probably the liberal West which try to push this under the carpet and deny it is a real part of Islam.

Any country that allows Sharia law, for it's Muslim population, to exist alongside it's own system of law will have to accept that homosexuals within the Muslim population of that country will be killed if caught. This will also apply to apostasy.

[adbasque]

All three religions don't accept homsexuality, but Mr ES won't mention that, because his problem is Islam,

Christians
Jews
Muslims

All three forbid homosexuality, but he won't tell you this, he even called his thread "Islam don't like homosexuals, they kill them"

And he goes on gives examples of Saudi Arabia, while we all know what the Saudis do when they come to the west.

They drink
They Gamble
They hire male and female prostitutes for orgies

Who makes the rules in Saudi Arabia?
The princes, the King, etc..
who performs homosexual orgies in the west, and everything else Islam forbids such as gambling drinking and homosexuals.

Yes ES knows all that because we've shown him time and time again, but he is not, and will never be interested in the truth.
But he is also the first one to call everyone else who disagrees with him as:

Liar
Stalker
Troll
basically all the things that he is, he points them at others

[adbasque]

Homophobia is part and parcel of Islam (Mainstream and fundamentalist alike).

I don't believe they ever try to deny that fact. It is probably the liberal West which try to push this under the carpet and deny it is a real part of Islam.

Any country that allows Sharia law, for it's Muslim population, to exist alongside it's own system of law will have to accept that homosexuals within the Muslim population of that country will be killed if caught. This will also apply to apostasy.

We know that those countries have a very corrupt leaders, they use dictatorship and project it to the outside world as "The Shria Law", that is their job.

The ones who execute homosexuals, they themselves practice homosexuality and sexual orgies.
These are facts, but for the outside world to see, ohh look Islam and it's laws kill kill kill kill kill kill.

And then you get some trolls in the west who knows the truth but, use that to further the hatred against Islam/Muslims.

[turquoisefire777]

Does that picture make anyone else feel like...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/31.gif

yip. energy thievery caught on camera.
*puke*

[eternal_spirit]

While living in Bahrain the Arab men seemed to have the attitude that if you were giving you werent gay but the receiver was.

A mate of mine woke up during the night after an active session with her arab boyfriend only to find him fucking his flat mate in the bathroom. That was the end of that relationship, but hey, he still had his flat mate :p
I've heard someone's personal experiences about Bahrian (not postable)

Some desire (Forbidden fruits in their homelands but are maybe scared of the punishments)

So they make the most of the chances they get to poke bottom in another man's lands, hand, gland.

[octopusrex]

Can Islam be tolerant of homosexuality?

Only true Muslim reply please.

[999i]

Can Islam be tolerant of homosexuality?

Only true Muslim reply please.

Islam takes a very reasonable, rational and pragmatic approach towards rulings for sexual violations.

Homosexuality is forbidden and sinful in Islam. So, no. I would not say that Islam tolerates homosexuality.

However, you should know that in an Islamic state, what a person does in their own home is their own business. The state does not have the right to interfere with what someone does secretly in their own domain. But when it becomes public domain, the state has rights/responsibilities to punish/enforce. (practically forces these things to remain hidden, but at the same time prevents societal corruption in this regard)


take a look at the Islamic jurisprudence for adultery for further insight on how it works

Four witnesses are required to accuse someone. And they have to pass through cross-examination. If they fail, then there is a punishment for the witnesses. If someone commits adultery clandestinely, how is it possible for 4 witnesses to see it?

But if they do it openly(so 4 witnesses testify correctly), then the adulterers will be punished.

the reason for this is to prevent scandals in society, and from people accusing one another.

it's very pragmatic - if someone commits adultery, what good does it do to force everybody to know about it? It is better for it to remain concealed and dealt with on a personal level. But if it's something that has become open and apparent to society, then the punishment has to be given. And of course, whether they are open or concealed, everyone will be held accountable on the Day of Reckoning.

[adbasque]

Homosexuality is forbidden and sinful in Islam.

In an Islamic state, what a person does in their own home is their own business. The state does not have the right to interfere with what someone does in their own domain. But when it becomes public domain, the state has rights/responsibilities to punish/enforce. (practically forces homosexuality to remain hidden, and prevents societal corruption in this regard)


take a look at the Islamic jurisprudence for adultery for further insight on how it works

Four witnesses are required to accuse someone. And they have to pass through cross-examination. If they fail, then there is a punishment for the witnesses. If someone commits adultery clandestinely, how is it possible for 4 witnesses to see it?

But if they do it openly(so 4 witnesses testify correctly), then the adulterers will be punished.

the reason for this is to prevent scandals in society, and from people accusing one another.

it's very pragmatic (imo) - if someone commits adultery, what good does it do for everybody to know about it? It is better for it to remain concealed and dealt with on a personal level. But if it's something that has become open and apparent to society, then the punishment has to be given.

Yes four witnesses and they swear an oath that they have seen them in action, not just in the same room, there was a case during the Prophet's time, when a woman was accused of adultery, everytime they went to the prophet and said we saw her, his answer did you see what she was doing.

They replied, there's a man alone in that house, and she goes to see him everyday, he replied, have you seen what she was doing?

They kept on and on, until they found out that woman was looking after a sick man, cooking cleaning, nursing him while he was sick.

They all felt like insects, from that day Allah requires 4 witnesses to see them in action, and only if the story was made public than a punishment is required, and If I am not mistaken the couple could be exiled as alternative, (God knows best)

What are the chances for four witnesses to see them all at the same time?

in order for it to happen they must be doing it in public, and even if they were caught in action only if they haven't provided a reasonable explanation.

And some Ulama (Scholars) even say it's up to the couple if they want to be punished, they choose the punishment here on earth or the punishment in the here after.

Anyway this issue goes much deeper than just few simple explanations.

Just to add this, the person who created this thread, knows very well that all religions, forbid homosexuality, but he delieberately choose to ignore that fact and focus his hatred on Islam

[brainfreeze]

Does it have anything to do with Islam?

you said an Arab man, what an Arab man has to do with Islam?

Bahrain is an Islamic country, though I didn't stop to ask the guys religion, I assumed he was muslim but could be wrong. Even if he wasn't islamic it happened in an Islamic country, hence on topic.

What's your issue?

:rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Bahrain is an Islamic country, though I didn't stop to ask the guys religion, I assumed he was muslim but could be wrong. Even if he wasn't islamic it happened in an Islamic country, hence on topic.

What's your issue?

:rolleyes:

It's not because it happened in an Islamic country in a bathroom, it means it's an Islamic thing, some people born to Muslim families, they drink, they have sex with same gender, they gamble, but it doesn't make it part of Islam.

Between Islam and Muslims there is an ocean of difference.
Highway code has rules, does that mean everyone who has a driving license respects those rules?

That's all I wanted to point out :)

[brainfreeze]

It's not because it happened in an Islamic country in a bathroom, it means it's an Islamic thing, some people born to Muslim families, they drink, they have sex with same gender, they gamble, but it doesn't make it part of Islam.

Between Islam and Muslims there is an ocean of difference.
Highway code has rules, does that mean everyone who has a driving license respects those rules?

That's all I wanted to point out :)

I was just pointing out to Tracker's facicious remark that he may not be too far off the mark, if stero-typicle. Who of us honestly knows? I do know that there are gays in Islamic countries, is all, regardless of religion and laws.

[adbasque]

I was just pointing out to Tracker's facicious remark that he may not be too far off the mark, if stero-typicle. Who of us honestly knows? I do know that there are gays in Islamic countries, is all, regardless of religion and laws.

Exactly, Muslims are humans just like all of us.

[mind1universe]

Too many people on here deny reality

mind1universe is one of the most delusional people on this forum babbling his fantasys and pushing his lies and delusions. Your ancestors may have been Lord of the Manor in Ireland for generations (probably fake Irish) or Invaders.


Your cyber whip will not work here son of slavemasters. Your more likely to be Illuminati Elite bloodlines. (reptile boy)


You've called me
A liar
Accused me of babbling
Called me delusional
Called me fake
Called me a reptile
Called me a cyber whip


This is personal abuse And not appropriate. I'm calling out your behaviour.

[adbasque]

Take a look at these clips

Michael Jackson has converted to Islam on 21st November 2008- (Secret behind)-Full story - YouTubeThis

Thierry Henry converts to Islam - Al jazeera Sport Channel FLASH !! http://www.rahman.fw.nu - YouTubeThis

Angelina is a Muslim Now - YouTubeThis

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.This

Jermaine Jackson Talks about Islam 2/2 - YouTubeNicole Queen

Nicole Queen: Converts after seeing Youtube videos on Islam - YouTubehttp://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25365

Especially this one, don't miss it

Muslim Scientist: Neil Armstrong Proved Mecca - World Center - YouTube

[mind1universe]

All three religions are illuminati divide and conquer religions. There are 3 of the same to conflict and compete.

So born and die for this irrationality.

What Eternal spirit is doing, what the illuminati do. Point the problem (they created) For we the sheep to react and fight the target.


Whether its' an religious or politcal inuendo or isoloated issue. "The problem is always not me it's over there"

"I'm human they are not"
"They are homosexuals I'm not"
"Islam is evil and Christianity isn't"
"Israel is good and Palestine is bad"
"Palistine is bad and Israel is bad"
"black is not white"
"white is not black"
"all yellow people hate brocolli"
"all people who eat brocolli are racists"


These are isolation points. Point an imperfection, make an issue out of it. It becomes and issue. The issue becomes uncontroble.


Division, Conflict, Chaos, Confusion, Conforment becomes the reality.


The illuminati and people like Eternal spirit then feed off this power complex. They created the division and then the solution. "get rid of muslims"

Yet they created relgion. What they are actually really doing is trying to wipe out thousands of people. Divide and conquer complex


Wake up to the reality of this thread.

[mind1universe]

Take a look at these clips



I see your trying to bring awarness to this. But your not getting it. It doesn't matter who believes in these relgions or not. These relgions are here as power systems to rule over mankind nothing more nothing else.

They keep this power going by projecting these "points" of "imperfections" to justify killings of thousands of people or painting people in one brush in order to gain power over others. Thats what it's about. The religion isn't the real problem. The people are not the problem eiither and homosexuality isn't the cause of this chaos.


The cause is the illuminati


We are Forgetting that we are only conforming to a system that was created by the illuminati

[bendoon]

Take a look at these clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5tqRqkWCIThis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHdUl5v2Rg0This

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IZtCdXk2f8This

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYrrYbIJOxMThis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d8TzHjmABkNicole Queen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khjtrIkYU5Ihttp://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25365

Especially this one, don't miss it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixfk4LsKWnw

Is that an advert against Islam ?

[adbasque]

Is that an advert against Islam ?

Oh really? Very funny, I am laughing my head off can't you see?

I don't need to advertise, I was just pointing out some facts, that's all
people are finding out for themselves mate ;)

You probably need to check them out before making any sarcastic remarks, don't you think?
You might just learn something.

[adbasque]

All three religions are illuminati divide and conquer religions. There are 3 of the same to conflict and compete.

I know they are not created by the illuminatis, can you prove they are created by them?
Can you substantiate your claims?

I can prove that they didn't, they used them to wage wars and conquer, that's not the same thing, if you check out religions especially Islam, you'll see that it is 1000% against everything that the illuminati stands for.

[eternal_spirit]

Legal status in modern Islamic nations


Homosexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality) is a crime and forbidden in most Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) countries, Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), etc. This is not the case in some secular or multi-religious Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) countries, Albania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania), Indonesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia) and Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey) being examples. However, the governments of Albania, Indonesia, and Turkey are presidential representative democratic republics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy) and are not Islamic Republics, like in the case of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran).
Same-sex intercourse officially carries the death penalty in several Muslim nations: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Mauritania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania), northern Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria), Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan), and Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen). [22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-21) [23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-22) It formerly carried the death penalty in Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) under the Taliban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban). The legal situation in the United Arab Emirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates) is unclear. In many Muslim nations, such as Bahrain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain), Qatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar), Algeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria) and the Maldives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives), homosexuality is punished with jail time, fines, or corporal punishment. In some Muslim-majority nations, such as Turkey, Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan), Indonesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia) or Mali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali), same-sex intercourse is not specifically forbidden by law. In Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), openly gay men have been prosecuted under general public morality laws. (See Cairo 52 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_52).) On the other hand, homosexuality, while not legal, is tolerated to some extent in Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), and has been legal in Turkey for decades.
In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public execution, but the government will use other punishments—e.g., fines, jail time, and whipping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping)—as alternatives, unless it feels that homosexuals are challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social movements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_social_movements).[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-23) Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest number of its citizens for homosexuality. Since the 1979 Islamic revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution) in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than 4,000 people charged with homosexual acts[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-24). In Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban, homosexuality went from a capital crime to one that it punished with fines and prison sentence.
Most international human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch) and Amnesty International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International), condemn laws that make homosexual relations between consenting adults a crime. Since 1994, the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) Human Rights Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Committee) has also ruled that such laws violated the right to privacy guaranteed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Righ ts). However, most Muslim nations (except for Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey), which has been ruled by secular law since 1856 and recently has modernized its laws in order to meet the requirements of entry to the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union)) insist that such laws are necessary to preserve Islamic morality and virtue. Of the nations with a majority of Muslim inhabitants, only Lebanon has an internal effort to legalize homosexuality.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-25)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam


Rulings by scholars of Islam

Based on the principles of the Qur'an and the Hadith, several eminent scholars of Islam, such as Imam Malik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Malik), Imam Shafi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shafi), Ahmad and Ishaaq have ruled that the person guilty of homosexuality should be stoned regardless of his married or unmarried nature.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#cite_note-Fatwa_IslamOnline-3)
Ibn Kathir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir)'s commentary on the words of Qur'an with respect to homosexuality are,


Ignores the trolls. Back on topic.

[adbasque]

:rolleyes: Which trolls?

[adbasque]

Let's ignore the trolls and show some reality
some converted australian muslims in australia part 1. - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.Abdullah German: Convert to Islam - YouTubebritish non muslim girl converted to islam - YouTube

Watch this if you have the guts

Why British convert to islam ? - YouTubeAnd then we can talk :)

[bendoon]

You might just learn something.

Not from any of those dubious characters.

[adbasque]

Not from any of those dubious characters.

They are not dubious, why don't you try and refute that scientific evidence given in that clip?

those dubious characters are stating facts that not you or anyone else can refute
;)

yes they are all crazy and dubious right? lol
Oh dear oh dear :D

[philidor]

Does that picture make anyone else feel like...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/31.gif

That pictures probably being taken out of context and may have absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia. Keep in mind that people falsely accused King James to be homosexual but those accusations have been proven to be false. The mullah in the picture could just be doing something typical for Islam.

[philidor]

Let's ignore the trolls and show some reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcGEwbdoqgc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0f6_N98lYkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSmGHY2CnMEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcpbyLS8MUYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53xM0Ze8gz8

Watch this if you have the guts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DYF87enAEAnd then we can talk :)

They are free to convert to Islam. They are also free to move to Morocco, Egypt, Libya, Iran, UAE, etc anytime they want. No one will try to stop them (especially me).

[adbasque]

They are free to convert to Islam. They are also free to move to Morocco, Egypt, Libya, Iran, UAE, etc anytime they want. No one will try to stop them (especially me).

Your point please?:rolleyes:
So if anyone converts to Christianity from those countries should come to the west then?

I don't see the relevance to the topic, except one thing, I'd rather not mention it.
It's better that way

[chocolateharpist]

Keep in mind that people falsely accused King James to be homosexual but those accusations have been proven to be false.

No they haven't. One historian said that it's unclear if he was or not. Every other historian agrees that at the very least he was bisexual.

[luciferhorus]

Yawn! indeed.......

I am getting really weary trying to draw attention to the "bleeding obvious" that the gay/feminist/disabled/black/asian/insert any religion/white/culture/nation/philosphy divisions etc. arguments are all, purely, a way to divide and rule us human beings here on earth so that we never get our shit together for long enough to suss out the fact that we are being controlled to the extent that we are either meat/pets,curiosities or slaves to an elitist bunch of bastards that use us as labour and entertainment for their own ends...............sigh!

Don't you get it yet?

The clues are here and out there FFS :rolleyes:

Yes, see also the thread Is homosexuality being promoted? on the general forum on; http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71362&page=10

I have travelled throughout the Islamic world and while men who live their lives as exclusive homosexuals are a rarity, the first sexual experiences of many Muslim men are often with other men; bisexuality is rampant and generally accepted though 'unspoken' of in public; Muslim men often openly hold hands, cuddle and kiss each other on the streets, and this is generally accepted, but if they behaved like this with a woman, they would be arrested in some Muslim countries by the religious police, since women are considered the private property of a father or husband.

I was in Morocco recently and it probably the most bisexual nation on earth, though only among men, since 'lesbian' culture is entirely shocking to most Muslims; yet in Morocco, due to Mohammad's edicts, homosexuality is illegal and there are men in prison for homosexuality where they are often beaten, raped and tortured, despite the current Morrocan King having frequented the gay bars and saunas of Belgium for many years and currently having an American boyfriend; it is simply the definition of hypocrisy.

The issue of 'homophobia' has much to do with the effects of the indoctrination and hypnosis of what Nietzsche referred to as 'slave morality (i.e. the morality of priests and tyrants and their millions of laws); it is common among those indoctrintated by the priesthood of organised religion and is anti-thetical to modernist Anarchist, Thelemite, Neo-pagan, New Age, atheist and humanist philosophies; it is simply the 'absence' of correct politics (political correctness); why anyone would wish to promote 'incorrect politics' can generally be identified as the effects of religious hypnosis.

Defining Homophobia, Misandry and Misogyny.

A 'phobia' is simply a fear, and thus homophobia is simply a fear of men, and that which we fear, we generally tend to 'despise / hate;' homophobia is simply the absence of love for our fellow divine (godlike) creations, and by implication the hatred of our Deistic Creator (Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Homophobia (fear of men) further linuisitically implies and leads to Misandry (hatred of men). Homophobic / Misandrous men generally not only fear and loath other men (often their hatred is justified by a belief in a male homophobic deity), they generally also despise themselves and their own bodies; consider a pub full of Neo-Nazi football hooligans, they generally have misogynistic and paternalistic attitudes towards females, and they tend to get into fights with other men (it is a culture of hatred and aggression); whereas consider a pub full of gays and lesbians; generally they tend to love each other; it is a culture of love.

Unfortunately Homophobia (fear of men) and Misandry (hatred of men) is generally an attidude which is combined with misogyny (hatred of women) and paternalism (the superioriity of the male gender); this is not to suggest that homophobic, misandrous, misgynistic, paternalistic males do not lust after women; on the contrary, since love and lust are entirely separate feelings; for example, a male may use a woman as an object of lust or as a sex slave, but this does not imply any genuine love or affection beyond lust; it is entirely common among the 'untermenshce (inferior men)' to consider their female sex slaves 'merely' as objects of lust and as their intellectual and spiritual 'inferiors;' the 'ubermensche (superior man)' is ideally devoid of such thinking and lives to love and to be loved and considers all creatures to be divine (godlike) in their true state, stripped of religious hypnosis and conditioning and having rejected the millions of moral laws of the tyrants and priests of religion.

Love and Light

Lucifer

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[alexc]

We should Ban Islam in the USA (http://cornswalled.livejournal.com/18182.html). The constitution forbids it at the federal level, but it would be legal on a state by state basis.

[luciferhorus]

We should Ban Islam in the USA (http://cornswalled.livejournal.com/18182.html). The constitution forbids it at the federal level, but it would be legal on a state by state basis.

"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance:
Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners... But for
that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me... Jesus
Christ might display His unlimited patience as an example
for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.
Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God,
be honor and glory forever and ever."
[Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer and cannibal]


"If one were to take the bible seriously one would go mad.
But to take the bible seriously, one must be already mad."
[Crowley]


Unfortunately Alex, only a radical solution to the problem of radical evil shall suffice; in the Aeon to come, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all the chaff of organised religion and the priesthood and aristocracy of the god of Capital shall and must be swept away to make way for the kingdom of Love and Light; it is simply not sufficient to suggest the eradication of Islam, for many Christians, Hindus and professional competitors in the market place of the god of Capital would agree with you.

LL

Lucifer

Against all the gods and masters of heaven and earth.

"All the idols made by man, however terrifying they may be, are in
point of fact subordinate to him, and that is why he will always have
it in his power to destroy them."

"The ancient poets animated all objects with Gods or Geniuses, calling them
by the names and adorning them with the properties of woods, rivers,
mountains, lakes, cities, nations, and whatever their enlarged & numerous
senses could perceive. And particularly they studied the genius of each
city & country, placing it under its mental deity; Till a system was formed,
which some took advantage of, & enslav'd the vulgar by attempting to realize
or abstract the mental deities from their objects: thus began priesthood;
Choosing forms of worship from poetic tales.
And at length they pronounc'd that the Gods had order'd such things.
Thus men forgot that all deities reside in the human breast."

[alexc]

Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all the chaff of organised religion and the priesthood and aristocracy of the god of Capital shall and must be swept away to make way for the kingdom of Love and Light;

Is THAT what Satan is telling his more simple minded followers these days?

He was doing so well with convincing people he didn't exist.

[octopusrex]

We should Ban Islam in the USA (http://cornswalled.livejournal.com/18182.html). The constitution forbids it at the federal level, but it would be legal on a state by state basis.

Banning religions does not work. It only makes them more virulent and underground.

[alexc]

Banning religions does not work. It only makes them more virulent and underground.

Really?

How many Zoroastrianism adherents are running around?

[adbasque]

We should Ban Islam in the USA (http://cornswalled.livejournal.com/18182.html). The constitution forbids it at the federal level, but it would be legal on a state by state basis.

Yes ban Islam, help them in their division of the people, yes, ban Islam, and all Muslims will leave your USA, and then they go back to their countries and kick every American from there back to the US, and create more hatred and more division, oh yes sounds very appealing, humm, you are really aware and fighting the nwo, wow, very impressed with your solution.

And everything will be fine, once the Islam and the Muslims have left your country, peace will come raining down on earth.

How come we didn't think of this before.

Keep going you're on the best tracks, instead of finding the true enemy and fight side by side with the Muslims who are being persecuted everywhere, help your ptb masters in their fight against Islam.

Islam is your real enemy.

You've nailed it man, really did.

[bendoon]

We should Ban Islam in the USA (http://cornswalled.livejournal.com/18182.html). The constitution forbids it at the federal level, but it would be legal on a state by state basis.


And Europe too.

Say no to the Islamic NWO and the Zionist NWO, I can't decide which would be worse.

[adbasque]

And Europe too.

Say no to the Islamic NWO and the Zionist NWO, I can't decide which would be worse.

The Nwo came from here not from Islam, Islam is the enemy of the NWO and the Zionism, it's called Sahyoun in Arabic, it's in the Quoran.

There's no such a thing as Islamic NWO, don't make a fool of yourself, Muslims are being killed everyday bombarded slaughtered in their own fucking countries, by our soldiers lead by the Zionist.

Wake the fuck up put your hatred to one side have the guts to look at the truth in the face take a look at the reality, and stop being a jerk.

[chocolateharpist]

And Europe too.

Say no to the Islamic NWO and the Zionist NWO, I can't decide which would be worse.


Also ban the Christian NWO

[bendoon]

Also ban the Christian NWO

We don't want one, we just want to be left in peace by the warring Zionists and Islamics, we are fed up of being caught in the crossfire and our young men being used as canon fodder and our lands being stolen.

[chocolateharpist]

We don't want one, we just want to be left in peace by the warring Zionists and Islamics, we are fed up of being caught in the crossfire and our young men being used as canon fodder and our lands being stolen.

I love your posts. They do make me laugh

[daniel_zak]

(NWO) Babylonian World Empire confront Abraham?
(NWO) Egyptian World Empire confront Moses?
(NWO) Roman World Empire confront Jesus?

Everyone should know the father of NWO was Nimrod, and together with his wife Isis and son tamuz started this all; occult trinity, Satan worship, astrology worship (e.g. Sun), one world government and language, Easter, xmas, child sacrifice, monopoly over money, oppose followers of God and rebel against God.

Can anyone see a pattern here? Abrahamic faiths were the first to oppose NWO and have done so throughout time.

[yozhik]

We got a real sicko here folks. He's one of my latest stalkers. (my time is up that's the third time you've said that tonight) Saying it 3 times won't make it any more true.

Heed thine own words ... :rolleyes:

[adbasque]

(NWO) Babylonian World Empire confront Abraham?
(NWO) Egyptian World Empire confront Moses?
(NWO) Roman World Empire confront Jesus?

Everyone should know the father of NWO was Nimrod, and together with his wife Isis and son tamuz started this all; occult trinity, Satan worship, astrology worship (e.g. Sun), one world government and language, Easter, xmas, child sacrifice, monopoly over money, oppose followers of God and rebel against God.

Can anyone see a pattern here? Abrahamic faiths were the first to oppose NWO and have done so throughout time.

No, people are too quick to fall for the trap what they've been feeding them for generation that religion is the cause, that religion is for control, they can't see that religions were the first to stand up to this Elite, to the illuminatis, to the babylonian.

If religion was created by them, why are they fighting it tooth and nail, why are they promoting everything religion forbids, why are they waging wars against God and his religions, and Prophets?

[adbasque]

We don't want one, we just want to be left in peace by the warring Zionists and Islamics, we are fed up of being caught in the crossfire and our young men being used as canon fodder and our lands being stolen.

You are a typical zionist without even knowing it, you support a party which is confirmed to be a zionist, the problem is you're not misguided you know it and you accuse others.

Your young men if they are being used, they decided to go to Iraq and invade, to afghanistan and invade, did the afghans come here to invade Britain? did the Iraqis come here to invade you and your young men, it looks that you went there and you're complaining.

Listen do me a favour next time, before you say something make sure you don't sound like a typical fool, your racism and hatred make you so blind to any reality.

[adbasque]

Heed thine own words ... :rolleyes:

Everybody is stalking him, if that's not paranoia I haven't seen one.:rolleyes:

[yozhik]

The Sufis are down with it.

"The mendicant-devotee or mystic, derweesh, soofee, mejzoob, was allowed to make water while walking along the road, without even returning to the side; and every man or youth he signaled was obliged to go behind a bush with him, expose his buttocks, and suffer holy penetration. The respectful way of greeting a soofee in many areas was by kissing him, first upon the mouth, then lifting his shaggy robe, upon the navel, the penis and scrotum, and the podex. This physical manner of devout salutation was also employed in the secret initiation of every proselyte who was made to endure the enervating caresses of the entire company, and, in turn, prove his boundless virility by retaining stiff erection throughout over a dozen climaxes in the revered rites of his brethren. Were a proselyte to go limp before all were justly honored by his intromissions, he was kicked and spat upon and summarily evicted from the venerable fraternity."

Allen Edwardes, The Jewel in the Lotus, p. 218

The Jewel in the Lotus ... named after a famous mantra, is an amassment of sexual curiosities apparently plucked from a variety of etnographical and orientalist sources. Throughout the book, one finds a plethora of uncontrolled generalizations concerning the sexual behaviour of non-western populations. Doubt has been cast on the sincerity of its scholarship. A recent study accuses the author of "more than a touch of prurience," and warns that "the guise of orientalist scholarship clearly gives Edwardes leeway to express a surfeit of subconscious homoerotic phantasy."

:rolleyes:

[lostwonderer]

What's this all about?

You are seriously Islam obsessed.

[eternal_spirit]

You are seriously Islam obsessed.
Whatever topic I study I can become obsessed. And what's discovered would make your toes curl and hair stand on end.

[turquoisefire777]

Muslims The First to Enslave Blacks - YouTube

[adbasque]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RrRd9XbzEk&feature=related

Islam was the first ever to free slaves, look for the story of Bilal you'd know that you're posting a loads of crap but it's not your fault I don't blame you.

It's what's available on the internet.
Maybe you ought to get hold of the movie called the message (Arissala) you will learn a lot of things.

Islam freed slaves from all corners of the world

[adbasque]

Whatever topic I study I can become obsessed. And what's discovered would make your toes curl and hair stand on end.

Yes ES you are obsessed with Islam and Judaism, and yes all you're doing is divide people no different from what the ptb is doing.

[turquoisefire777]

...posting a loads of crap...

accuse all you like, the truth won't be denied, it will prevail.

[adbasque]

accuse all you like, the truth won't be denied, it will prevail.

Who's accusing, me or the crap you posted?

I have told you where to look if you want the truth, but I doubt you want to seek the truth.



Bilal ibn Rabah or Bilal al-Habeshi was a Habeshan

[2] born in Mecca in the late 6th century, sometime between 578 and 580.

The Islamic Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) chose Bilal as his muadhin, effectively making him the first official muadhin of the Islamic faith.

[3] He was among the slaves freed by Abu Bakr and was known for his beautiful voice with which he called people to their prayers.

His name can also be spelled as, "Bilal ibn Riyah" or "ibn Rabah" and he is sometimes known as "Bilal al-Habashi" or "Bilal the Ethiopian".

He died sometime between 639 to 643, died when he was just over 60/61 years old.

Bilal Ibn Rabah, was an emancipated slave of key importance in Islam.

He is said to have been one of the most trusted and loyal Sahaba (companions of Mohamed) and was one of Ali's earliest and most loyal followers.

His respected stature during the birth of Islam is often cited by Muslims as evidence of the importance of pluralism and racial equality in the foundations of the religion.

The Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) has bought countless slaves and their families and gave them their freedom, some were employed by him, some worked elsewhere, he even fought to free others.

So, as you said Truth will prevail, you can rest assured :)

I am real confident about this sooner or later you will see.

[turquoisefire777]

So, as you said Truth will prevail, you can rest assured :)

I am real confident about this sooner or later you will see.

yes, i agree.

but are you saying that what manning says about muslims being the first to enslave blacks is untrue?

and Bilal sounds alot like Belail to me...

Belial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Satanic Bible names Belial as one of the Four Crown Princes of Hell (specifically, the North Crown), and states that his name means "'without a master' and symbolizes true independence, self-sufficiency, and personal accomplishment."[3] Belial represents the earth element, is the Master of Mankind and the Champion of Humanity, and represents the carnal and base urges of humans.

-wiki

:confused:

[bendoon]

Islam was the first ever to free slaves, look for the story of Bilal you'd know that you're posting a loads of crap but it's not your fault I don't blame you.

Biggest meanest enslavers in the history of the world.

The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab World, namely West Asia, North Africa, East Africa and certain parts of Europe (such as Sicily and Iberia) during their period of domination by Arab leaders. The trade was focused on the slave markets of the Middle East and North Africa. People traded were not limited to a certain color, ethnicity, or religion and included Arabs and Berbers, especially in its early days. Later, during the 8th and 9th centuries of the Islamic Caliphate, most of the slaves were Slavic Eastern Europeans (called Saqaliba), people from surrounding Mediterranean areas, Persians, Turks, peoples from the Caucasus mountain regions (such as Georgia, Armenia and Circassia) and parts of Central Asia and Scandinavia, Berbers from North Africa, and various other peoples of varied origins as well as those of Black African origins. Later, toward the 18th and 19th centuries, slaves increasingly came from East Africa

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[adbasque]

yes, i agree.

but are you saying that what manning says about muslims being the first to enslave blacks is untrue?

and Bilal sounds alot like Belail to me...

Belial is a demon in the Bible, Christian apocrypha and Jewish apocrypha, and also a term used to characterize the wicked or worthless. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belial)

The Satanic Bible names Belial as one of the Four Crown Princes of Hell (specifically, the North Crown), and states that his name means "'without a master' and symbolizes true independence, self-sufficiency, and personal accomplishment."[3] Belial represents the earth element, is the Master of Mankind and the Champion of Humanity, and represents the carnal and base urges of humans.

-wiki

:confused:

No believe me he was the first Black slave from Ethiopia to be freed by Abu Bakr, at the time you have to buy a slave in order to free him/her.

he was a good man too, Bilal al Habachi or Bilal the Ethiopian, at the time Ethiopia was called Habasha, The Arabs used to trade a lot of Slaves between them and the other Empires like the Romans, the Byzantines, and so on..
They used to purchase slaves they keep some, they resell others it was a business, when Islam came, it started freeing them, at the time they couldn't abolish slavery altogether, because they simply couldn't.

And the Meccans were very powerful, so they did what they could in the early days of Islam.
When They became strong they started freeing slaves not just in a Mecca but outside Mecca and the Arabian Peninsula.

Anyway Bilal (RAA) was the very first slave to be freed by Muslims in Mecca.

And during their battles, they had slaves to which they offered three options, most of them were captured soldiers, to convert to Islam, to pay Jizya a small tax once a year, or to remain slave.

So the choice is up to the individual, if they send him back to where he came from, he can come back as a soldier and fight them again.

So some have converted, some pay their Jizya to the state, and that includes their full protection, it allows them to worship and follow their religion, to do whatever they wanted basically, and the ones who didn't want to pay nor to convert remained slaves but treated extremely well, with respect, medical treatments, they worked normal hours, they had their time off etc..

Instead of being employees they are employed but without being paid, if they needed something they had to ask if they can have it etc..., but it was their choice, some were eventually freed later on.

(remember they were caught as enemies) others would've killed them no questions asked.

[adbasque]

Biggest meanest enslavers in the history of the world.


First of all this is entirely wrong, and you know it, they were not by far the meanest, the meanest were the British and the Roman empires :)

Second, here you're talking about Arabs, Arabs doesn't mean Islam, second even Arabs, were not enslaving blacks or people, they were trading like many other things.

And even if some "muslims" have done such a thing, it is not in Islam's teachings, people do go wrong, people do get corrupted, a muslim is a normal human being who has his own weaknesses just like any other people.

The trade involves everybody, from the Romans, the Byzantines, The Greeks, and even the chiefs of tribes in Africa selling their own people, you need to get more education on the subject mate, don't let that natural hatred guide you, because you will be picking the wrong information.

No matter how much you hate the Arabs, and Islam, try and look at it objectively.

Please don't give me Wiki, who wrote this article? where did he/she get their information from, why did they write this article?
Anyone can write a loads of rubbish and put it on Wiki.

Search....

[adbasque]

Biggest meanest enslavers in the history of the world.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Just to give you an idea about the misinformation.

For instance if we take the Berbers, today called North Africa, it was called back then "Numedia" they had their King Massinissa, Jugurta, and then their last Queen Kahina.

When the Muslims came, she didn't let them in, btw Saint Augutin came from there in case you didn't know.

Anyway they showed her Islam, she liked it, she then asked them to leave around 100 scholars in the country to teach and spread Islam, considering the languages were different, so it took a longtime.

they didn't conquer the land of Numedia, and the Numedia stretches from Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morroco, Chad, Mauritania, Mali. this was all one Kingdom.

They also traded with the Muslims, and the Muslims were always welcomed to those countries despite the difference in languages.
The Berbers had their own language called "Amazigh literraly means Free Men

So the Muslims DID NOT invade North Africa, and North Africans are NOT Arabs.
so this is just one region, but you won't find this information on Wikipedia.

Unless you go and find it where it is then you can start from there and make your way up.

They built the Vatican in Rome, why? because they wanted to stop Islam from coming upward, if they were conquests, do you think a church in the middle of Rome will stop them from entering?

the Vatican was built by the same people who are screwing the world today.

Check it out don't take my word for it.

[adbasque]

Just one last thing, Britain (British Monarchy) has a lot to answer for the screw up of the world.

Why aren't you attacking Britain for the genocides committed around the world on practically every continent?

And it's more recent than Islam, They went everywhere conquered, killed, massacred, took resources with force, enslaved, which slavery ended last century, wiped entire civilisations, them on one side and the Spanish on the other, a little bit of Portuguese, but mainly us the Brits.

So if you say it's not you, I know it's not you, and it's not your dad even.
but why is it ok for you to say it's not me, and yet you still blame every muslim past present and future even??

You see the hypocrisy and double standard?

I am British just like you, but I admit that our past Empire did terrible things to others, and we are now living the result.

I also know, that the people who did those terrible things are still doing them today.

Here is a news letter from DI I don't know if you guys got it or not.

[quote]
IF THIS MAN IS INVOLVED

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww7/adbasque/tb.gif
IT'S A SCAM

His record on civil rights in Britain is simply horrific and he will take his Orwellian blueprint to Brussels on Rothschild-headed paper. If people think the European Union is already a fascist dictatorship masquerading as a 'democracy', which it is, wait till this guy starts.



There is something else that follows Blair wherever he goes - war. He has never seen a war he didn't want to join, so long as other people do the fighting and not him. Blair says whatever suits him and his masters at the time that he says it. It was Blair who said in 1997: 'Mine is the first generation able to contemplate the possibility that we may live our entire lives without going to war or sending our children to war.' A few years later, one commentator said of this 'man of peace':



'Since Tony Blair took office a decade ago, he has committed British forces to action more often, and in more conflicts, than any Prime Minister since 1945 ... Not only has this crusade embroiled them in what one officer called the most intense fighting since the Korean War, more than half a century ago, it is stretching their depleted resources to the limit.'



Blair went to war in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan and Iraq and should he become EU President he will take Europe to war for his masters, the Rothschilds. They want a Third World War involving Europe, North America, Russia and China to bring in their world government dictatorship.

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww7/adbasque/obtb.gif

Bottom line do you think DI hates his country or his people?
No but he is an honest man who sees abuse against humanity, Islam is not your enemy, 90% of Muslims want peace just like the rest of the world.

Other thing about the lies brought against Islam and Muslims especially in the last 30 odd years.

Cast your mind back to the 9/11 when they were reporting about the 19 hijackers, let's take it from a muslim's point of view.
Let's say this guy Atta and his followers wanted to kill Americans because they were told so crap that God will be happy with you.


No matter what they've told them, you can never convince a Muslim, to drink alcohol before meeting his maker, it's the one thing they will never do, I am talking a true believer, and according to the official statements from the state department the media, these guys.

Went out the night before drinking "Vodka" all night, do you think a Muslim who believes in his heart he is doing this for his maker, will go out and get hammered first??

That was lie number one, because the people who made this story up, didn't do their homes work, that was just the first of hundreds of lies.

Not to mention they claimed to have identified them before any investigation was completed, the same thing with the 7/7, despite all this you think, they are not prepared to go on the web and post tons of crap for people to read?

Israel spent thousands of dollars on professional bloggers to do just this, they run websites even given them Islamic names, even some Muslims have fallen victims of those websites.

Until recently were discovered that they were ran by the Zionist groups from Israel/USA and here in Britain.

Now if you want to believe every piece of crap that is on the internet it's your choice.

I have come across some videos which were literally in favour of Islam, but because I detected a lie or misinformation I never post them, because I want to state facts not just anything that is in favour of Islam or Muslims.

[bendoon]

Just one last thing, Britain (British Monarchy) has a lot to answer for the screw up of the world..

But compared to the barbaric Muslims they were wimps.

The british had a slave trade, for what ? 200 years.

The Muslims had one for 1200 years, they took more slaves from Africa than the British ever did. They castrated the men and used the women for sex slaves.

[adbasque]

But compared to the barbaric Muslims they were wimps.

The british had a slave trade, for what ? 200 years.

The Muslims had one for 1200 years, they took more slaves from Africa than the British ever did. They castrated the men and used the women for sex slaves.

I wonder why I bother to write because obviously you either won't read it or can't read properly.

When are you going to make a clear distinction between an Arab and a Muslim, or maybe never?

The Arabs were slave traders, the Muslims never ever ever traded or enslaved anyone except prisoners of wars and even those were given three choices.

Britain 200 years? :D check your figures again please.

Another lie, a Muslim cannot have sex with a woman unless he marries her :)

[bendoon]

The Arabs were slave traders, the Muslims never ever ever traded or enslaved anyone except prisoners of wars and even those were given three choices.

What were these Arabs then ? Budhists ?

Honestly you will try and wriggle out of anything. :D

[adbasque]

What were these Arabs then ? Budhists ?

Honestly you will try and wriggle out of anything. :D

They were Pagans, before Islam, and not all Arabs are Muslims hello!!

half of them are Christians in case you don't know it, some are Jews

[fidelcastro]

What's this all about?

I geuss you are on this forum, because you are against all the media lies wich tries to create dissension. Dont believe the hype!

The muslim PEOPLE dont want any one to be killed, (trust me on that one)

Why hate, when you can love?

Lets try to find similarities in stead of differences...

[fidelcastro]

What were these Arabs then ? Budhists ?

Honestly you will try and wriggle out of anything. :D

Muslims are not Islam

Christians are not Christianity

If you read the koran, you will find that islam encourages to end slavery.

[eternal_spirit]

Muslims are not Islam

Christians are not Christianity

If you read the koran, you will find that islam encourages to end slavery.
It doesn't it endorses and allows slavery according to quotes from the Koran. And if history is anything to go by enough said.

[father ted]

When I visited Egypt it was estimated that 50% of men there are gay. From what I saw I would say that's not too hard to believe. It didn't seem like anyone had a problem with it.

[adbasque]

When I visited Egypt it was estimated that 50% of men there are gay. From what I saw I would say that's not too hard to believe. It didn't seem like anyone had a problem with it.

Unlikely to be honest, not even the west has 50% let alone a country where 90% of the population is Muslim, it's hardly the case.

There are homosexuals, like everywhere else, but 50% it's impossible, maybe 3% but not 50%.

Even belly dancing is illegal in public now, so there's no way there are 50% of homos in Egypt.

People are very religious, maybe in the 50s Egypt was a little bit more westernised but not now.

They tolerate homosexuals, like most other countries.

[lostwonderer]

Whatever topic I study I can become obsessed. And what's discovered would make your toes curl and hair stand on end.

You're stating the obvious though. Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, people are killed in certain countries for portraying such behavior. It happens and it is absolutely disgusting, but people already know this.

[adbasque]

You're stating the obvious though. Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, people are killed in certain countries for portraying such behavior. It happens and it is absolutely disgusting, but people already know this.

Yes it's forbidden by Islam and other religions too, but in those countries where people are killed for practicing homosexuality, the irony is those who pass sentences are themselves homosexuals.

The Saudis for instance, are known to be homosexuals and when they travel outside their country they engage in all sorts of things.
Orgies, hiring male/female prostitues for the duration.

Islam forbids Homosexuality but, it doesn't actually incite the killing of homosexuals.

[alexc]

Yes it's forbidden by Islam and other religions too, but in those countries where people are killed for practicing homosexuality, the irony is those who pass sentences are themselves homosexuals.

The Saudis for instance, are known to be homosexuals and when they travel outside their country they engage in all sorts of things.
Orgies, hiring male/female prostitues for the duration.

Islam forbids Homosexuality but, it doesn't actually incite the killing of homosexuals.

Someone should just castrate those hypocrites.

[stfd]

Someone should just castrate those hypocrites.

While im against it , i gotta say that doing what you said isnt the way to go.
Nothing is 'unforgivable' ... it is possible for many to actually turn back to normality... but hey normality is a word with a meaning long lost in history...

[alexc]

While im against it , i gotta say that doing what you said isnt the way to go.
Nothing is 'unforgivable' ... it is possible for many to actually turn back to normality... but hey normality is a word with a meaning long lost in history...

The Bible does a good job of defining "normal" if you ask me.

[stfd]

The Bible does a good job of defining "normal" if you ask me.

yup it does.

normal is <=> (equivalent to) moral if you ask me.

Sort of like saying all things which can be classified as moral - are normal and viceversa hence the <=> (equivalent sign).

[alexc]

yup it does.

normal is <=> (equivalent to) moral if you ask me.

Sort of like saying all things which can be classified as moral - are normal and viceversa hence the <=> (equivalent sign).

If morality is not "normal" then the society needs to change what they consider "normal."

[nihil]

Rastafari religion do not like homosexual gays, sometimes some rastas, high on weed, hunt and kill happy arses into thier own very houses. So is Rastafarism completely wrong? No, the ones who are wrong are the single guys who kill faggots. As the Assassins in Jerusalem they got some berserker's attitude to consume that criminous hatred.

[stfd]

If morality is not "normal" then the society needs to change what they consider "normal."

Yes, abnormality is immoral ; abnormality is equivalent t oimorality.
IS exactly what the society is doing today.

RE-SHAPING and re-defining meanings of things and words in order to cut -at the root the feel for morality and normality.

is what happens day by day at an ever increasing rate.

[tannah]

Yes, abnormality is immoral ; abnormality is equivalent t oimorality.
IS exactly what the society is doing today.

RE-SHAPING and re-defining meanings of things and words in order to cut -at the root the feel for morality and normality.

is what happens day by day at an ever increasing rate.

What would you say about conformity and normality then?

Btw, I really don't see the connection between immorality and abnormality.
You re-shaping the meaning of words or something? Why not define normality, then abnormality, and then see how you can fit immorality into it?
Either that, or ask an adult christian to explain the differences to you.

What is happening nowadays at an ever increasing rate is the evolution of consciousness. Having outgrown the fear of a jealous God that kills babies, people are redefining spirituality. Obviously some of it will be OTT, but I'm quite confident things will settle down, and we'll end up having a better idea of it all.

[stfd]

What would you say about conformity and normality then?

Btw, I really don't see the connection between immorality and abnormality.
You re-shaping the meaning of words or something? Why not define normality, then abnormality, and then see how you can fit immorality into it?
Either that, or ask an adult christian to explain the differences to you.

What is happening nowadays at an ever increasing rate is the evolution of consciousness. Having outgrown the fear of a jealous God that kills babies, people are redefining spirituality. Obviously some of it will be OTT, but I'm quite confident things will settle down, and we'll end up having a better idea of it all.

Normality from a human standpoint is that state at which humans were prior to their initial fall in sin.After that - after they ate the apple - the human race has been degradating at an inscreasing rate.
The cause of the degradation is the 'sin' in general.
That is normality.

Abnormality from a human standpoint ,is the continual process of degradation which occured, without ever ceasing, since the initial sinfull act.




Now the connection between abnormality and immorality.

Man was created good.
Therefore moral.

Upon his initial sin , he began commiting sins more and more hence why the he became more like the opposite of what he was created.
Therefore abnormal.

[tannah]

Normality from a human standpoint is that state at which humans were prior to their initial fall in sin.After that - after they ate the apple - the human race has been degradating at an inscreasing rate.
The cause of the degradation is the 'sin' in general.
That is normality.

Abnormality from a human standpoint ,is the continual process of degradation which occured, without ever ceasing, since the initial sinfull act.




Now the connection between abnormality and immorality.

Man was created good.
Therefore moral.

Upon his initial sin , he began commiting sins more and more hence why the he became more like the opposite of what he was created.
Therefore abnormal.

LOL! I shouldn't laugh, forgive me.:)

We should put your definitions to the test. Have you noticed how people can come together cross culturally nowadays and help each other out? Ordinary people. The tsunami was a good example. All cultures showed compassion and helped in some way. It wouldn't have happened before.

So instead of degradation, we see evolution as far as human awareness and consciousness is concerned. Like I mentioned, Jehovah is a very unappealing type of god to many. It isn't because many are degrading in morality, but that they are actually evolving.

Also nowadays it is quite comical to think of two people eating an apple and falling into sin as an actual historical event. But it does ask one of the most important questions in my mind. Are we growing toward enlightenment, or are we recovering from a fall? Would you like me to start a thread and ask this question? I'd be interested to see what you have to support your belief that humans fell into sin.

[stfd]

LOL! I shouldn't laugh, forgive me.:)

We should put your definitions to the test. Have you noticed how people can come together cross culturally nowadays and help each other out? Ordinary people. The tsunami was a good example. All cultures showed compassion and helped in some way. It wouldn't have happened before.

So instead of degradation, we see evolution as far as human awareness and consciousness is concerned. Like I mentioned, Jehovah is a very unappealing type of god to many. It isn't because many are degrading in morality, but that they are actually evolving.

Also nowadays it is quite comical to think of two people eating an apple and falling into sin as an actual historical event. But it does ask one of the most important questions in my mind. Are we growing toward enlightenment, or are we recovering from a fall? Would you like me to start a thread and ask this question? I'd be interested to see what you have to support your belief that humans fell into sin.

umm what is funny?

But anyway .. there is no 'evolution' happening but constant degradation.

Start whatever thread , go ahead.

Here is a proof that people have been in constant degradation.
-The 10 commandments.
It was necessary that they were brought forth, it was required that people be guided by a determined set of rules.
Before the initial sin there was no need for anything to say "do not steal" since none were thinking anything like that.

there you go - proof.

[adbasque]

I have a question lol

Why are there more Atheists in the UK and some Scandinavian countries. than anywhere else in the world?

[alexc]

I have a question lol

Why are there more Atheists in the UK and some Scandinavian countries. than anywhere else in the world?

They have more homosexuals.

[stfd]

I have a question lol

Why are there more Atheists in the UK and some Scandinavian countries. than anywhere else in the world?

well first of all how did you figure it is so.

and to go ahead and answer now (assuming that what youre saying is true), i guess is because no religion really had enough time to properly root in those lands.

Just a guess.

edit: but then the UK stands as counter-statement.
hmmm i dont know man...

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I have a question lol

Why are there more Atheists in the UK and some Scandinavian countries. than anywhere else in the world?

They have more homosexuals.

lol x infinti

[adbasque]

well first of all how did you figure it is so.

and to go ahead and answer now (assuming that what youre saying is true), i guess is because no religion really had enough time to properly root in those lands.

Just a guess.

edit: but then the UK stands as counter-statement.
hmmm i dont know man...

How I figured this out?
Well it's quite simple mate, from day to day life, you meet people etc.. I realised we must have more Atheists here than anywhere else, I could be wrong of course, but then Britain for example has the biggest number of Churches converted and sold then anywhere else, as far as I can see.

If you go to France, Spain, Italy etc.. USA even, there are more believers than here, not necessarily Church goers but believers.

UK has a great number of Atheists, they use Churches for other things.

Amongst The Brits the only people who are mainly Church goers are the West Indians.
My Mother in law for instance used to go to Church but when you talk to her about God she doesn't have a bit of faith, I ask her why do you go to Church every Sunday then? Her reply purely to socialise humm? Weird.

And I know for example a lot of her friends are like her and many other people I have met and knew in Britain since I was a kid that is.

we have a very small community of believers.
I don't know, maybe something happened, or at some point in our history religion was forced upon people, psychologically if you force a human being to do something he/she will reject it.

It was just a personal observation though, as I said I could be wrong.

[stfd]

How I figured this out?
Well it's quite simple mate, from day to day life, you meet people etc.. I realised we must have more Atheists here than anywhere else, I could be wrong of course, but then Britain for example has the biggest number of Churches converted and sold then anywhere else, as far as I can see.

If you go to France, Spain, Italy etc.. USA even, there are more believers than here, not necessarily Church goers but believers.

UK has a great number of Atheists, they use Churches for other things.

Amongst The Brits the only people who are mainly Church goers are the West Indians.
My Mother in law for instance used to go to Church but when you talk to her about God she doesn't have a bit of faith, I ask her why do you go to Church every Sunday then? Her reply purely to socialise humm? Weird.

And I know for example a lot of her friends are like her and many other people I have met and knew in Britain since I was a kid that is.

we have a very small community of believers.
I don't know, maybe something happened, or at some point in our history religion was forced upon people, psychologically if you force a human being to do something he/she will reject it.

It was just a personal observation though, as I said I could be wrong.


hmm interesting and very sad...

we gotta make sure we pass on to our kids those values that have been passed on to us. it might be one of the few things of value which we can leave for them.

oh and i like that sentence in your signature.

-intelligence without wisdom is dangerous - very nice.

[tannah]

umm what is funny?

But anyway .. there is no 'evolution' happening but constant degradation.

You're funny, and I think you'll find that evolution is going on.:D You failed to even answer my point about the level of overal compassion rising, as shown in events like the tsunami a few years ago. Please explain to me how a constantly degrading species could show that kind of compassion.



Start whatever thread , go ahead.

I'll think about it. I am getting to know the probable answers you and yours think you will be putting forward. I will ask how one knows that humans fell into sin. You will answer that the bible says so.



Here is a proof that people have been in constant degradation.
-The 10 commandments.
It was necessary that they were brought forth, it was required that people be guided by a determined set of rules.
Before the initial sin there was no need for anything to say "do not steal" since none were thinking anything like that.

there you go - proof.

:):D:p:(:mad:

Luckily life is the only proof I can offer to suggest your opinions are badly thought out affairs.

Morality is not a constant, nor an arrow aimed in only one direction. The moral fibre of an individual, group or nation depends on spiritual discernment.
It's quite clear you have poor discernment if you think the kind of things you have been posting, about wicca, "other gospels", moral degradation etc, are accurate. So in your case I can understand what you mean about degredation.

Even christianity has evolved. They can't burn witches now.

[stfd]

You're funny, and I think you'll find that evolution is going on.:D You failed to even answer my point about the level of overal compassion rising, as shown in events like the tsunami a few years ago. Please explain to me how a constantly degrading species could show that kind of compassion.





I'll think about it. I am getting to know the probable answers you and yours think you will be putting forward. I will ask how one knows that humans fell into sin. You will answer that the bible says so.





:):D:p:(:mad:

Luckily life is the only proof I can offer to suggest your opinions are badly thought out affairs.

Morality is not a constant, nor an arrow aimed in only one direction. The moral fibre of an individual, group or nation depends on spiritual discernment.
It's quite clear you have poor discernment if you think the kind of things you have been posting, about wicca, "other gospels", moral degradation etc, are accurate. So in your case I can understand what you mean about degredation.

Even christianity has evolved. They can't burn witches now.
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"the level of overal compassion rising, as shown in events like the tsunami a few years ago. Please explain to me how a constantly degrading species could show that kind of compassion."

Peoples 'humanity' has been slowly but surely degenerating.
And so much it had been degenerating that the simple concept and word "humanity" is no longer defined as what it actually is.
There were acts of compassion and MORE than that OF LOVE , of pure love thousands of years ago.
The best example one can give is God's example. For He so much love(d) people that he sent His Son to live as a man and die as a man, so that we , the sinners may live.
There are and there have been COUNTLESS saints and people of great wisdom and morality which have lived their time at a great standard.
There have been people or groups of people who have done acts of self sacrifice so that others may live , we call them martyrs.
This compassion youre talking about is constantly being 'reduced' in intensity just as is aslo reduced the number or the rate at which it happens.
All due to the degeneration of humanity as a result to the constant sinful state of being.
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"Morality is not a constant"
lets make an analogy.
Take the gravitational constant 'g'. This 'constant' is only constant on this planet. it is relative to those inhabiting this planet.
Now morality is also 'constant' with regards to human beings.
Therefore, from a human standpoint, morality is THE SAME for all who are human.
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"Even christianity has evolved. They can't burn witches now"
Christianity isn'y one of those 'things' which can 'evolve'.
Christianity has been,is and will always be the same.

Take something or add something to the 'Christian composition' and you no longer end up with Christianity.

Christianity never burned anyone, nor have Christians.

[tannah]

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"the level of overal compassion rising, as shown in events like the tsunami a few years ago. Please explain to me how a constantly degrading species could show that kind of compassion."

Peoples 'humanity' has been slowly but surely degenerating.
And so much it had been degenerating that the simple concept and word "humanity" is no longer defined as what it actually is.
There were acts of compassion and MORE than that OF LOVE , of pure love thousands of years ago.
The best example one can give is God's example. For He so much love(d) people that he sent His Son to live as a man and die as a man, so that we , the sinners may live.
There are and there have been COUNTLESS saints and people of great wisdom and morality which have lived their time at a great standard.
There have been people or groups of people who have done acts of self sacrifice so that others may live , we call them martyrs.
This compassion youre talking about is constantly being 'reduced' in intensity just as is aslo reduced the number or the rate at which it happens.
All due to the degeneration of humanity as a result to the constant sinful state of being.


You're talking complete BS there. You're only seeing what fits with how you need to see things in order to justify your beliefs. But the reality of it is that people are generally more compassionate. And the reason is becuase we are entering the age of spirituality, Aquarius. Everything is as it should be evolving. So you see, there is no starting from a fallen state, but actually evolving towards a wakeful spiritual state. And it will mean the extinction of your particular brand of belief.


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"Morality is not a constant"
lets make an analogy.
Take the gravitational constant 'g'. This 'constant' is only constant on this planet. it is relative to those inhabiting this planet.
Now morality is also 'constant' with regards to human beings.
Therefore, from a human standpoint, morality is THE SAME for all who are human.

That isn't what I meant about a constant like "G". What I mean about morality not being a constant is that we the people define its state, healthy or not so. Just like we the people define our religions.


"Even christianity has evolved. They can't burn witches now"
Christianity isn'y one of those 'things' which can 'evolve'.
Christianity has been,is and will always be the same.

Chrisitianity is supposed to go back to before Genesis, when the Word was with God, who then went on to make all things with it. To say that it hasn't evolved on this planet, however, is a completely blind thing to say. If you mean in an ideal sense (pre creation), I may agree. But in a practical sense christianity has gone through many changes.



Take something or add something to the 'Christian composition' and you no longer end up with Christianity.

Christianity never burned anyone, nor have Christians.

Well that's where your stock cop-out response is total illusion. That's because people define their religion. And you'll find the bible was ever present when people were doing their killing deeds.

Let's be blunt, when the bible was composed it made a few lick their lips at how they would conquer the world with it. And they set out to do just that, with cross and bible in one hand and a sword in the other. That was the way things evolved. It's part of your history, and your refusing to admit it is just silly.

Eventually christianity put off many modern people who have evolved, who have more compassion and all that.:) They can't give worship to some dude in the old testament that kills babies and cultures. Most people who have no time for such a deity do actually have nice things to say about Jesus. But as far as this bible being God's word, you're gonna be shown to be wrong eventually.

The next evolutionary step was always about internalizing and individually expressing God. It's coming toward that time when one will gain the understanding on how to be Love and express God through Being, and Being at One.:) That's the future IMO.

[stfd]

You're talking complete BS there. You're only seeing what fits with how you need to see things in order to justify your beliefs. But the reality of it is that people are generally more compassionate. And the reason is becuase we are entering the age of spirituality, Aquarius. Everything is as it should be evolving. So you see, there is no starting from a fallen state, but actually evolving towards a wakeful spiritual state. And it will mean the extinction of your particular brand of belief.


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That isn't what I meant about a constant like "G". What I mean about morality not being a constant is that we the people define its state, healthy or not so. Just like we the people define our religions.




Chrisitianity is supposed to go back to before Genesis, when the Word was with God, who then went on to make all things with it. To say that it hasn't evolved on this planet, however, is a completely blind thing to say. If you mean in an ideal sense (pre creation), I may agree. But in a practical sense christianity has gone through many changes.





Well that's where your stock cop-out response is total illusion. That's because people define their religion. And you'll find the bible was ever present when people were doing their killing deeds.

Let's be blunt, when the bible was composed it made a few lick their lips at how they would conquer the world with it. And they set out to do just that, with cross and bible in one hand and a sword in the other. That was the way things evolved. It's part of your history, and your refusing to admit it is just silly.

Eventually christianity put off many modern people who have evolved, who have more compassion and all that.:) They can't give worship to some dude in the old testament that kills babies and cultures. Most people who have no time for such a deity do actually have nice things to say about Jesus. But as far as this bible being God's word, you're gonna be shown to be wrong eventually.

The next evolutionary step was always about internalizing and individually expressing God. It's coming toward that time when one will gain the understanding on how to be Love and express God through Being, and Being at One.:) That's the future IMO.


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Age of Aquarius ... the age of 'spirituality' , the age of 'enlightnment' ... no is in fact the age when the globalist/newageist/collectivist/satanist dogs will seek to destroy their AGE-LONG hated enemy Christianity and with that Christians.
In fact all religions , all together, so that they may implement their AGE-LONG planned 'satanic religion' and then have all the remaining vegetable-like 'people' prostrate before their newly-found anthicrhist...


"The next evolutionary step was always about internalizing and individually expressing God. It's coming toward that time when one will gain the understanding on how to be Love and express God through Being, and Being at One"
Oh stop going in circles... just say it up straight... you think people are or can become God(s)...pffft whateva ...


"some dude in the old testament that kills babies and cultures"
huh ?!:confused: but wait ... i forgot ... whateva


"But in a practical sense christianity has gone through many changes. "
nope , it has not.


"Well that's where your stock cop-out response is total illusion. That's because people define their religion. And you'll find the bible was ever present when people were doing their killing deeds."

riiiight okaaay...
how about we just leave it at this eh?
You keep your ideeas ... i keep mine and we wait and see who is right, sounds good?
Untill then lets try to act calmly and live our lives in a constructive way.

[marpat]

What's this all about?

I thought homosexuality was rife in arab countries. Men even hold hands when talking to each other out there

[tannah]

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Age of Aquarius ... the age of 'spirituality' , the age of 'enlightnment' ... no is in fact the age when the globalist/newageist/collectivist/satanist dogs will seek to destroy their AGE-LONG hated enemy Christianity and with that Christians.
In fact all religions , all together, so that they may implement their AGE-LONG planned 'satanic religion' and then have all the remaining vegetable-like 'people' prostrate before their newly-found anthicrhist...

What a load a bad theorizing.:) I have no doubt that some manipulation will rear its ugly head. But I expect it from the phoney religious doctrine munchers myself. The ego will try to keep control, but it will begin to crumble under the weight of those waking up.


"The next evolutionary step was always about internalizing and individually expressing God. It's coming toward that time when one will gain the understanding on how to be Love and express God through Being, and Being at One"
Oh stop going in circles... just say it up straight... you think people are or can become God(s)...pffft whateva ...

LOL! You are so funny.:) Look dude, I lived with the bible, and was surrounded by othe rchristians, and I got to see what it was about. It wasn't enough for me. I could do what was asked of me, and it left me wanting the real thing. So I undertook the journey, and now I see right through the fabricated, manipulated, keep you in the dark religion for what it is. No apologies.

You'll get nowhere until you take on your Christ Self. That was the real message Jesus was about, not this rubbish that evolved through the churches.


"some dude in the old testament that kills babies and cultures"
huh ?!:confused: but wait ... i forgot ... whateva

Yeah I'm sure you are confused little one.:D



"But in a practical sense christianity has gone through many changes. "
nope , it has not.


Forgot I'm talking to someone with head up ass. They don't kill homosexuals nowadays, they are valid members of society. They have women priests nowadays. These two examples already show the evolving attitudes, and for the better too.:)


"Well that's where your stock cop-out response is total illusion. That's because people define their religion. And you'll find the bible was ever present when people were doing their killing deeds."

riiiight okaaay...
how about we just leave it at this eh?
You keep your ideeas ... i keep mine and we wait and see who is right, sounds good?
Untill then lets try to act calmly and live our lives in a constructive way

I am living my live constructively. If I wasn't I'd just let you get away with assuming I'm satanic and that your bible is penned by God himself. I honestly don't see why I should be a member of this place and put up with that view of me without coming back with my views of you and your religion. It's not as if you have set out the "let's get on" type talk. You sit there and think I'm satanic because I don't believe your particular faith, and I'll sit here and think you're a git.:)

It's up to you how you want to deal with me. If I overstep the mark I'll run the risk of being warned. Until then you can come here and express your opinions, and I'll do the same.

[stfd]

What a load a bad theorizing.:) I have no doubt that some manipulation will rear its ugly head. But I expect it from the phoney religious doctrine munchers myself. The ego will try to keep control, but it will begin to crumble under the weight of those waking up.




LOL! You are so funny.:) Look dude, I lived with the bible, and was surrounded by othe rchristians, and I got to see what it was about. It wasn't enough for me. I could do what was asked of me, and it left me wanting the real thing. So I undertook the journey, and now I see right through the fabricated, manipulated, keep you in the dark religion for what it is. No apologies.

You'll get nowhere until you take on your Christ Self. That was the real message Jesus was about, not this rubbish that evolved through the churches.



Yeah I'm sure you are confused little one.:D





Forgot I'm talking to someone with head up ass. They don't kill homosexuals nowadays, they are valid members of society. They have women priests nowadays. These two examples already show the evolving attitudes, and for the better too.:)




I am living my live constructively. If I wasn't I'd just let you get away with assuming I'm satanic and that your bible is penned by God himself. I honestly don't see why I should be a member of this place and put up with that view of me without coming back with my views of you and your religion. It's not as if you have set out the "let's get on" type talk. You sit there and think I'm satanic because I don't believe your particular faith, and I'll sit here and think you're a git.:)

It's up to you how you want to deal with me. If I overstep the mark I'll run the risk of being warned. Until then you can come here and express your opinions, and I'll do the same.

Thats good you will.

[dhama_initiative]

It may be that the starter of this thread was being antagonistic and had no intention of engaging in dialogue with anyone or communicating and learning from anyone. I don't know him and never saw him before. But, you have to remember that when a thread like this is started, lots of people will watch with interest, because, these are big, difficult questions we have to face in society (eg the clash of rights and beliefs) and they are questions lots of people worry about and wish there were simple answers to. Lots of people feel confused and wish they knew the right way to face these problems.

So when a thread like this is started, regardless of the bad intentions of the OP, lots of people will be watching to see how people respond, in the hope of learning about the issue, or learning the right way to respond should they be challenged on their beliefs in the same way sometime. And when people duck out and give dissmisive responses, like adbasque and lottie on page 1, it dissapoints those people and fuels the support for the OP, that he is right and that no-one can come up with a arguement against him.

I'm sure adbasque and lottie were genuinely exasperated with the OP and his bad intention, but you have to remember that people undecided or uninformed on these issues watch these threads to help reach their own views. I felt the same frustrations on Michael Christopher's "prove Jesus" thread.

Also, I think the arguement of "all the abramic religions condemn gays so don't pick on us" is a bit pointless, as not all people concerned about the issue are just using it to pick on the one faith they don't like -lots of angry Dawkins/Hitchens type atheists bash all 3 religions equally.

[gods sun]

1 cup 2 muslims http://news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/176-1/mollah.jpg :S

[eternal_spirit]

Muslim gangs use internet to track and kill gays

Try this one eh

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86720

[daseem]

Muslim gangs use internet to track and kill gays

Try this one eh

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86720


You cruising for a piece of ass E_S ? :D

[eternal_spirit]

You cruising for a piece of ass E_S ? :D:D
Nah I like women. But think homo sexuals should be allowed to live in peace without fear.