Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy (our home)

[majicdragon]

There seems to be a cover-up of the largest proportions since the catholic church dismissed a globular planet as heresy. Why this is, i intend to find out.

Any help in this regard would be very much appreciated. Let's claw this open and expose whatever is hidden.

the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy (Sag DEG) is the recently discovered satellite-galaxy of our presupposed home, The Milky Way Galaxy.

Sag DEG and the Milky Way:
http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sag2cann.jpg

We cannot see the galaxy from earth without the aid of infra-red, but when we switch to infra-red, this whole new group of stars comes into view... even with no magnification.



This galaxy (Sag DEG) has everything to do with the Mayan Calender,and prophecy, including the fact that it was once man-shaped, with feather-looking appendages on it, and was then known as Quetzalcoatl.

Quetzalcoatl literally means quetzal-bird snake or serpent with feathers. Quetzalcoatl eventually stretched into a the serpent-shape that is now known as the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy.

the Mayans supposed, and awaited the eventual return of Quetzalcoatl which would be represented by the same type of configuration of stars in the shape of a man/feathered-serpent. This will happen if Sag DEG has retained enough momentum to exit it's tryst with the Milky Way.

ancient stories may have been allegories of truths bigger than life. and in order to try and keep the knowledge of something they eventually loose proof of i.e. they loose the technological means to stay tuned to the actual... stories, and myths are created for posterity.

In the babylonian story of creation, Marduk, the one granted status of 'Supreme God' also the representation of our Milky Way, does battle against Tiamat, the great red dragon. And Tiamat is the representation of Sag DEG.

some of The story of Marduk and Tiamat:

Armed with a net, a bow, a mace, and the four winds, Marduk went out to face Tiamat. She appeared in the form of a dragon. Marduk caught Tiamat in his net, but she opened her mouth to swallow him. At that point, Marduk drove fierce winds into her mouth, causing her body to blow up like a balloon. He then shot an arrow at Tiamat's heart and killed her. After splitting her body into two pieces, he set one piece in the sky to create the heavens and the other at his feet to form the earth.



sorry to all the poor schleps who tried to tell us about the mayan calender without the aid of sag deg. you who tried to explain everything to us before even gaining rudimentary understanding... poor you. your time is over for fooling anyone. now you can start delving into the real truth... that is, if you still remember how to do that....

and to the church, and to Daniel, who destroyed the temples of bel and the dragon..... for they were also representations of reality, and what may have been hidden in them are gone because of you... you did it on purpose didn't you... to take truth from the earth.

[supertzar]

It would be amazing to confirm that our solar system is native to the SagDeg.

[smariot]

I don't know, if that's true or not, but I don't care, because I've been using it as a legitimate excuse for a while now to say 'xyz? how can you expect me to tell you xyz? I can't even tell you what galaxy I'm in, let alone xyz!'

[apekteina lordosis]

Armed with a net, a bow, a mace, and the four winds, Marduk went out to face Tiamat. She appeared in the form of a dragon. Marduk caught Tiamat in his net, but she opened her mouth to swallow him. At that point, Marduk drove fierce winds into her mouth, causing her body to blow up like a balloon. He then shot an arrow at Tiamat's heart and killed her. After splitting her body into two pieces, he set one piece in the sky to create the heavens and the other at his feet to form the earth.


well tiamat (as you've probably figured) was a planet, one of only two that were true natives of the solar system (the other being mercury).

for "a net, a bow, a mace, and the four winds" read deathstar. i forget who battled whom but it was one deathstar against the other and this was all long before marduk was at the helm. but hey! history is written by the victor and all that. anyhows both deathstars suffered fatal damage and the captain of one decided they might as well use it as a weapon to plough into tiamat (for this was where their enemy had a grand dwelling), causing the planet to split in bits and if i remember correctly the other deathstar ended up crashing into uranus (the planet, not your rectum- badum tish).

fast fwd gubbins knows how many years and along came the brothers "ea", "en-il" and "en-ki". "ea" re-terraformed the largest chunk of tiamat and using his genesis scientist skills re-seeded it with life aka mutating dna, "en-il" became supreme bigcheese and fuck knows what "en-ki" did, however i think he eventually usurped his brother and eventually he in turn was usurped by marduk.

hope that helps. i know many people might think this sort of caper is gobshite, but honestly, once you get your head round the notion that "gods" are past and present human-like beings from other star systems then decoding the bible, the koran, the torah, whatever becomes far more easy and easier to accept as having some truth in it.

[kasalt]

There seems to be a cover-up of the largest proportions since the catholic church dismissed a globular planet as heresy. Why this is, i intend to find out.

Any help in this regard would be very much appreciated. Let's claw this open and expose whatever is hidden.

the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy (Sag DEG) is the recently discovered satellite-galaxy of our presupposed home, The Milky Way Galaxy.

This claim that our solar system was kidnapped from its original home in the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy

Here is a link to a rebuttal to the above claim from the University of Virginia:
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/ (http://www.astro.virginia.edu/%7Emfs4n/sgr/)

And another from Discover Magazine:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...nother-galaxy/ (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/)

[curtaincat]

well tiamat (as you've probably figured) was a planet, one of only two that were true natives of the solar system (the other being mercury).

for "a net, a bow, a mace, and the four winds" read deathstar. i forget who battled whom but it was one deathstar against the other and this was all long before marduk was at the helm. but hey! history is written by the victor and all that. anyhows both deathstars suffered fatal damage and the captain of one decided they might as well use it as a weapon to plough into tiamat (for this was where their enemy had a grand dwelling), causing the planet to split in bits and if i remember correctly the other deathstar ended up crashing into uranus (the planet, not your rectum- badum tish).

fast fwd gubbins knows how many years and along came the brothers "ea", "en-il" and "en-ki". "ea" re-terraformed the largest chunk of tiamat and using his genesis scientist skills re-seeded it with life aka mutating dna, "en-il" became supreme bigcheese and fuck knows what "en-ki" did, however i think he eventually usurped his brother and eventually he in turn was usurped by marduk.

hope that helps. i know many people might think this sort of caper is gobshite, but honestly, once you get your head round the notion that "gods" are past and present human-like beings from other star systems then decoding the bible, the koran, the torah, whatever becomes far more easy and easier to accept as having some truth in it.

I have got my head round it, call me crazy but those fucking gods are true.
nobody believes me, calls me a nutter, lol :), who will be having the last laugh

the ancient myths are not myths, they are remembered stuff from people passing on stuff to us many years later. then tptwere corrupt .. haha, we know;)

[father ted]

There was a news item out some while ago which stated that the galaxy that housed our planet was/is being swallowed up by the milky way galaxy.

[mrindigo]

I'm not buying these official explanations on the subject. Each of the authors seems to be angry over the notion that someone has challenged what they believe to be fact. Rather than professionally explain it from their point of view, they've projected a condescending tone. It's as if they're saying, "Believe what I say, or you're an idiot." Based on that alone, and the track records of large organizations distorting the truth, I'm going to assume that there is something to this Sagittarius claim. It's known that the milky way and other galaxies cannibalize smaller ones on a regular basis, and they've acknowledged that. The claims that the sun unquestioningly originates from the milky way is amusing. It may not be specifically from the Sagittarius system, but it could be from another which has had time to settle into the orbital rotation of the Milky way.


Heavy Metal

One way to try to figure out if a star belongs to one population or another is to look at the chemical compositions involved. The Sun, for example, is known to have an above-average amount of iron in it, indicating that it’s a third-generation star. Most stars in the Milky Way have lower iron abundances, but some have more. However according to a paper on the composition of stars in the dwarf galaxy, the dwarf stars are much lower in iron than the Sun. If I am reading this paper correctly (it’s tough going, I’ll admit!) then it’s very unlikely just from this that the Sun came from the dwarf galaxy. It’s far more likely it was born right where we always thought: in the Milky Way.

Conclusion: we’re native to the Milky Way.

He just contradicted himself in that section from Discover magazine. Clearly there is a varying range of heavy metal composition in the stars of this galaxy. For some reason he thinks the indication of a lower heavy mental content in the neighboring Sagittarius system is supposed to be a smoking gun? Uh...he just said that the milky way too has lower heavy metal counts, which makes this bit of information true, but completely irrelevant to the topic. They both have low levels of heavy metal in their star compositions in places. Who's to say that a dwarf galaxy can't have older stars as well? Galactic size is not necessarily an indication of age. This seems to me to be an attempt to get the reader confused by giving them the mental run around.


My personal conclusion to this is there is something to the suggestion that the sun could be from Sagittarius. They're just trying too hard to get others to believe them, and appear to be pulling all the stops in order to do so.

[kasalt]

There was a news item out some while ago which stated that the galaxy that housed our planet was/is being swallowed up by the milky way galaxy.

Yes, this is the link:

http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html

The above linked article largely references the work of University of Virginia professor of astronomy, Steven Majewski, but this same professor has refuted the claims of this article, saying that his work was "corrupted/misinterpreted to 'support' the incorrect conclusion that the Sun did not originate in the Milky Way galaxy":

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/ (http://www.astro.virginia.edu/%7Emfs4n/sgr/)

[majicdragon]

It would be amazing to confirm that our solar system is native to the SagDeg.

according to the North American Indian prophecy of the rattlesnake constellation, Sag DEG is the rattlesnake, filled with other constellations.

the prophecy tells that we will see a crossing of the galaxy at this time.... And we see that we are at the crossing... isn't that sweet. We are at the crossing.


prophecy of the rattlesnake:
http://www.crystalinks.com/cherokee.html

Once we have gone past, or come out of the influence of the magnetic hemisphere of the Milky Way, and come into the other hemisphere, we will be subject to the opposite magnetic force. so, like coming around a large magnet with a smaller magnet, there is a point at which the smaller magnet will flip with the overpowering force of the larger.

Our pole shift.





i'm only looking for truth here, so help me out if you want...

i'm not sure from legends when the last time the earth was flipped upside down, but i find that science has some idea:
from net:
In the past 15 million years scientists found pole shifts occurred four times every 1 million years. Though this averages out to once every 250,000 years, switches do not occur at regular intervals. During one period in the Cretaceous, polarity remained constant for as long as 30 million years, though this is believed to be an anomaly. The last pole shift took place 790,000 years ago; causing some scientists to believe we're due, while others speculate a reversal is already underway.
Since science is saying that it has been approximately 790,000 years since the last pole shift... and since pole shifts occur somewhat regularly... and since science also says that it takes approximately the same time for Sag DEG to orbit one hemisphere of the Milky Way as they say is the interval between pole shifts, and since Sag DEG is probably wobbly it stands to reason that this is worth looking at because it is probably true that pole shifts occur every time we pass the galactic plane... at an uncertain interval (the interval is uncertain because of the erratic


And in conjunction with the fact that they say that the polarity remained constant for a period of 30 million years, there is the fact that Sag DEG fell toward Milky Way before it started the orbit, and could that falling not have taken that 30 million years to happen... This helps one see that the shift is indeed relevant to crossing the plane of the milky way.







now i have to go read up on the dragon, satan, who is seen in the heavens ready to devour= waiting for a woman, clothed with the sun, to give birth to a man child for to devour it. because i think it might have something also to do... or everything to do with the dueling galaxies...

i hope i'm pulling you all my way so far. thank you for participating. please feel free to blow our minds with more on Sag DEG, our home.

[father ted]

Yes, this is the link:

http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html

The above linked article largely references the work of University of Virginia professor of astronomy, Steven Majewski, but this same professor has refuted the claims of this article, saying that his work was "corrupted/misinterpreted to 'support' the incorrect conclusion that the Sun did not originate in the Milky Way galaxy":

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/ (http://www.astro.virginia.edu/%7Emfs4n/sgr/)

Very interesting, thanks for setting a clearer light on the matter, i will have to follow it up when I'm less drunk.

[the nine]

looks remarkabley like Ouroboros..
very interesting post :)

[apekteina lordosis]

I have got my head round it, call me crazy but those fucking gods are true.
nobody believes me, calls me a nutter, lol :), who will be having the last laugh

the ancient myths are not myths, they are remembered stuff from people passing on stuff to us many years later. then tptwere corrupt .. haha, we know;)

innit! we must always remember the advantage they have is one of having developed technology/science/medicine hundred of million/perhaps a billion or more years before us, though we should not be disrespectful, afterall they formed the earth and put life on it. however i don't see why we earthlings should be at war amongst each other like pawns in some galatic game of chess. and just as we were created there is the chance that they themselves were created by others and those others by others and at some point what we call the universe was created... despite the galatic tussles bringing most of us on earth misery and all that life is fucking amazing!

[sloppy]

well tiamat (as you've probably figured) was a planet, one of only two that were true natives of the solar system (the other being mercury).

for "a net, a bow, a mace, and the four winds" read deathstar. i forget who battled whom but it was one deathstar against the other and this was all long before marduk was at the helm. but hey! history is written by the victor and all that. anyhows both deathstars suffered fatal damage and the captain of one decided they might as well use it as a weapon to plough into tiamat (for this was where their enemy had a grand dwelling), causing the planet to split in bits and if i remember correctly the other deathstar ended up crashing into uranus (the planet, not your rectum- badum tish).

fast fwd gubbins knows how many years and along came the brothers "ea", "en-il" and "en-ki". "ea" re-terraformed the largest chunk of tiamat and using his genesis scientist skills re-seeded it with life aka mutating dna, "en-il" became supreme bigcheese and fuck knows what "en-ki" did, however i think he eventually usurped his brother and eventually he in turn was usurped by marduk.

hope that helps. i know many people might think this sort of caper is gobshite, but honestly, once you get your head round the notion that "gods" are past and present human-like beings from other star systems then decoding the bible, the koran, the torah, whatever becomes far more easy and easier to accept as having some truth in it.

Sounds like you have read the terra papers:)

[majicdragon]

looks remarkabley like Ouroboros..
very interesting post :)

yes it does. let's look into it... looks like the Chinese dragon as well. i have first to look at some biblical passages which are to do with the dragon satan.

here's what i have so far:

Peter Paul Rubens' Woman of the Apocalypse. She is depicted as wearing a white dress and blue mantle while crushing a serpent under her foot.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Rubens_woman_of_apocalypse.jpg/466px-Rubens_woman_of_apocalypse.jpg

1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth: and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and on his heads seven diadems. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days.
7 And there was a great battle in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels. 8 And they prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth: and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of the testimony: and they loved not their lives unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. 14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert, unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth, after the woman, water, as it were a river: that he might cause her to be carried away by the river. 16 And the earth helped the woman: and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 18 And he stood upon the sand of the sea.''


so, do Micheal and his angels represent the milky way, while the dragon represents Sag DEG?

this seems plausible to me... however, while other stories are more straight forward, this one throws in a bunch of gobbledigook about jesus and thus becomes verily more difficult to decipher, which is always the case when i compare the bible to any clean source.

[grannymoose]

hey this is mega interesting.......:rolleyes:

[anthony65]

The picture is for real! :eek:

Stunning! :eek:

Great thread! I'm stunned! :o

[kingmob]

Here is a detailed explanation by our own Mr. Astralwalker in great detail on our true Galary of origin:

http://www.legendarytimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=89c6c5976ede8b4c8b4fc9fd5e966aea

[apekteina lordosis]

Sounds like you have read the terra papers:)

i've not only read them but after nearly a decade on the conspiracy scene and all sorts of freaky shit that has gone on i believe the terra papers to be a fair approximation of the truth.

[anthony65]

I just found this...

Some beautiful pictures here and further info available...

http://www.arm.ac.uk/orrery/orrerydistant.html

[curtaincat]

i've not only read them but after nearly a decade on the conspiracy scene and all sorts of freaky shit that has gone on i believe the terra papers to be a fair approximation of the truth.

please tell me how to find these terra papers ? I may have read them, just dont know them by that name..

[apekteina lordosis]

please tell me how to find these terra papers ? I may have read them, just dont know them by that name..

surely! there is a link to the pdf at the top of the first post in the following thread that lordzoma started...
http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42058

[zetetic0void]

"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."
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Sometimes (unfortunately) astronomers can start talking rather colourfully about events and things which are really so slow-paced that they are barely happening at all (relative to the huge dimensions of space even within our galaxy) as perceptable in timescales of even known human history.

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"Raining down"? ... hardly a phrase I would have used in relation to the interaction of two galaxies and their hundreds of millions of year dance and intermingling of stars the vast majority of which likely will not actually interact much at all. I think people get the idea of a massive intragalactic fireworks display and crashing of "the crystal spheres" of the Heavens LOL

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Sagittarius debris? ... another rediculously biased phrase that really has no meaning or basis in observed understanding of interactions of galaxies. It sounds like a phrase meant to "spice up" stories so the masses who know nothing about the huge time scales and vast distances between galaxies and stars within them will envion some tragic image of colliding stars and planets bouncing into each other like marbles dumped onto the floor!

Why are the objects from the smaller galaxy referred to as "debris". The choice of this word has more to do with biased human language than actual reality.


Phrases and wording like these are sure to confuse the masses and personally I feel they are silly and misguiding. It sounds like some catastrophe just waiting to happen any day now.


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Meteroids or small bits of rock and metal within our nearby region in this very tiny tiny Solar system could be said to "rain down" if we go through a denser cloud of them. They will be visible as meteors and if some survive being bruned up in the atmosphere they are called meteorites if found on the ground.

I can see using the phrase "raining down" in relation to a meteor shower which is obviously within the timescale of seconds and minutes of human perception but to label events of interactions of stars between two interacting galaxies as "raining down" "debris" is rediculous.



It isn't raining down at all ....it is mingling of stars between galaxies and from the human experience is so incredibly slow that it would give no notice over thousands of years.



And the resulting other page based on the astronomer's writing is even more distorted with huge leaps of misunderstanding of the visualization of the scale and makeup of objects in the known Universe.

The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.


That's not true at all. And that sentence is totally misleading and reveals that the person who wrote it has a very small degree of understanding of the arrangement of things in 3d space within this galaxy.


Our solar system is within the 'plane' of the Milky Way (most star systems will be in this plane region of the more central hub. Some 'globular clusters' orbit the cente of the galaxy as sort of denser seperate conglomerations of stars - being a civilization on a star within one of those would give one a totally different view of the sky full of brighter stars).

Globular star cluster examples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Centauri

(Anyway, those are beside the point here)

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We are somewhere not at the edge but quite a ways out from the core. So in our sky, just by pure geomoetry, we observe our galaxy as a band of faint light that is like a ring across the entire sky globe. Towards the "human invented catagorization" we call Sagittarius and Scorpio (I stress that these are purly cultural inventions and different cultures invented their own shapes), we see a greater concentration of this band because this is looking towards the greater concentration of the centre of the galaxy. The Milky Way band as seen running past Orion and Canis Major in the opposite side of our sky (in winter for northern hemisphere dwellers) is fainter and not as noticable because this is looking away from the centre of the galaxy and towards the edge.

If by some chance our Solar System was 50 million light years outside the Milky Way perpendicular to it's disc, we would see it more like the galaxy shapes we see of distant galaxies.


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I don't think anyone can say with proof Whether hundreds of millions of years ago, our Sun and solar system was actually within the gravitational bounds of this other galaxy and we got pulled within the gravitational influence of the larger conglomeration of mass we label the Milky Way galaxy.


I'm not saying it couldn't happen. If you look at photos of interating galaxies you will see strems of stars stretching our between them. SO a civilization on planets around stars between these galaxies might have a very different view of their cosmos. It might take them a huge amount of time to come to the idea that these two concentrations of light in their sky were two interacting galaxies. Even our own view of the Universe did not see some of the little faint blurries seen through telescopes as actually seperate "galaxies" like own own until the 1900's. At that time , they were all labelled nebulae ... now some are known to be gas clouds in our own galaxy and others are shown to be seperate galaxies millions of light years away.


Even if our current officially accepted and known history isn't really full and in fact human ciziliations went back hundreds of thousands of years, an interaction of these two galaxies would be going on for such a long time and at such a slow ponderous pace that I really can't see anyone noticing anything.

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Personally, I think one should be careful just automatically thinking some biblical texts or stories from other peoples around the world represent the interaction of this galaxy with the Milky Way.


I find these ideas far more likely



1... stories representing symbolic representations of aspects of human feeling and energies ... the snake being an important representation of many symbolic concepts.

2... effects of entheogenic plants and mushrooms and the resulting mythological (not meaning "lies but the real meaning of the word as symbolic stories) and symbolic stories that result

3... even the idea of distorted stories of battles between alien spacecraft visible to ancient humans on Earth. I don't know if some of those stories have any basis in actual Reality but it is something to question even if official ideas might say this is rediculous (mathematically, the cards are stacked in favour of huge numbers of civilizations in the Universe ... whether they can travel huge distances without taking thousands of years is another subject that could limit interaction between interstellar civilizations)

[bluman]

is that the unvierse where the reptilians come from?

[haukipesukone]

Interesting stuff. It seems to go back to the "gods of light" vs the dragon, with the dragon getting his or her ass handed to it.

[majicdragon]

Carefully examine these pictures. Can you see that Stonehenge has been constructed as a depiction of the destruction sustained by Marduk via the forces of Tiamat... can you see that Stonehenge is the Milky Way?
http://teaandgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/stonehenge.jpghttp://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sag1cann.jpg
Marduk (the Milky Way) and Tiamat (Sag DEG)

there is even a path on the ground which represents the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy.

i know this says nothing about which galaxy we are from, but i found it to be extremely interesting.

[elysiumfire]

I'm not sure I fully understand the reasoning going on here regarding the inter-orbitals of two disparate galaxies.

I can understand the mythological symbolism and story-telling, but if we have a dwarf galaxy turning on its own perpendicular axis to the Milky Way's, what gravitation forces are holding the dwarf galaxy together, and in relation to the Milky Way? Also, how did they get the image of the two galaxies in the first place...surely that is an 'imagining'? I don't think we have any cameras at a certain distance looking back on the two galaxies, and then sending the data to us here on earth. Looking at the image, the combination of both galaxies gives an impression of a gyroscopic galaxy. I am somewhat dubious to the whole idea.

[tracker]

Carefully examine these pictures. Can you see that Stonehenge has been constructed as a depiction of the destruction sustained by Marduk via the forces of Tiamat... can you see that Stonehenge is the Milky Way?
http://teaandgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/stonehenge.jpghttp://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sag1cann.jpg
Marduk (the Milky Way) and Tiamat (Sag DEG)

there is even a path on the ground which represents the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy.

i know this says nothing about which galaxy we are from, but i found it to be extremely interesting.


NOPE >
1st picture looks like a sperm inside an egg and the other looks like a cloud of dust round a galaxy both are so far apart its imaginable .

However regarding this notion of galaxies and the Mayans .

Its all crap !

what about this theory .

the ancients used star systems as references .
have you seen 10,000 BC film ?

maybe -----just maybe , the apparent Gods , were just clever people that came from a far off land on earth , and those who saw them coming , used a star system in the sky for their point of entry into their life so that they could understand from which direction ON THIS PLANET that they came from .

HOWS THAT ?

ALSO
the reason why they were called gods was because theyhad advanced knowledge .
not space bearing knowledge , but simple herbal remedies , things like that .

thats my theory .

Ive seen these theories raise and fall , gods and aliens alike

its a con to create money , thats all !

its a big area , some folks love it and will buy any book concerning end times or aliens or god / gods .

so there you have it .

your idea is another one of those ideas .

mine

is better than all theirs and yours .

my shit is better than your shite .:cool:

[majicdragon]

dude, im not trying to make money, and im telling you the truth.

the bars on top of the pillars represent the fullness of the outer arms of the milky way. where the bars are not there, neither is the fullness of the corresponding part of the outer rim.

it takes a bit to line the two up to the proper points.

the pillars on the inside, represent the damage of the more central ring. where there are damage to the pillars there is damage to the galaxy... line it up from there. the more damage to the galaxy, the more damage on the pillars

the outer rim is intact on the side where the missing central pillars were; and the outer rim is intact in the correlating places of the galaxy...

it is not a picture of the galaxy, but a depiction. And the red path on the ground at stonehenge shows where the red galaxy is located... this will also help you line it up. it takes some looking but do look again please. want to know what it true?


Also, the paths around stonehenge look to be the approximate same distance as the Magellanic Clouds which orbit the milky way... for a better feel, here is a picture:
http://technofender.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/magellanic-clouds.jpghttp://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/9808/lmcstream_csiro.jpg

[godgoo]

innit! we must always remember the advantage they have is one of having developed technology/science/medicine hundred of million/perhaps a billion or more years before us, though we should not be disrespectful, afterall they formed the earth and put life on it. however i don't see why we earthlings should be at war amongst each other like pawns in some galatic game of chess. and just as we were created there is the chance that they themselves were created by others and those others by others and at some point what we call the universe was created... despite the galatic tussles bringing most of us on earth misery and all that life is fucking amazing! Nothing formed the earth and put life on it, the earth is from within this tetrahedron energy field. Life came from within the tetrahedron same as the ET's, the GODS are just travellers with advanced technology. They too came from within the Tetrahedron as did the whole universe. The infiinte singularity theory of the universe. The BigBang can't explain everything. We need this infinite singularity to explain why the universe is so large. And why the hubble deep field is still returning yet more galaxies and stars from beyond 15 billion years ago, space is too vast to be an explosion it is an inflation if infinite points. It is 99.9999% nothing just space or the vaccum within. it is 99.999% contraction.

As I said the ET's only fooled around with DNA they did not create life or earth or any other planet, it all comes from within the tetrahedron. The universe is contraction and radiation and so. Is all matter.

[majicdragon]

roll the galaxy picture to the right a few degrees clockwise until you can line up the corresponding damage. p.s. i don't do this for money, but for the sake of the truth that i see, and i promise not to write a book.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/ancient/images/ga/stonehenge-from-above-692016-ga.jpghttp://www.astrodigital.org/astronomy/px/milkyway2.jpg

[godgoo]

roll the galaxy picture to the right a few degrees clockwise until you can line up the corresponding damage. p.s. i don't do this for money, but for the sake of the truth that i see, and i promise not to write a book. Where is the rest of SH? there are pot holes all the way around, i dont know how many, that contain ritual remains? So what are they?

[majicdragon]

Where is the rest of SH? there are pot holes all the way around, i dont know how many, that contain ritual remains? So what are they?

what is sh... sorry.

look at the symbolisim of it pleas and only then can you see it. hey they could have drawn a picture but they probably wanted to keep the knowlegde there forever...

it's ok if you don't get it. you will once, and when you do you will be amazed.

[rodin]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Messier_54.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_Dwarf_Elliptical_Galaxy

OP Do your homework, provide links.

What is your image?

Threads like this that ignore physics and make wild supernatural claims are tares.

[silvabak]

i've not only read them but after nearly a decade on the conspiracy scene and all sorts of freaky shit that has gone on i believe the terra papers to be a fair approximation of the truth.

i have not read the terra papers but it sounds similar to the knowledge passed by jack through the history of mankind series....if you have not watched these chapters i highly advise you too.....

http://www.desteni.co.za/youtube/Aug.htm

scroll down the page and start at history of mankind chapter 1 :)
if you follow through with the first 20 chapters you will prob see all the same things you been researching in a diff layout

[morrist0]

Oh man this is excellent stuff!

History shouldnt just be confined to the realms of our planet but to our solar system and beyond! Imagine all of the things that have happened in our solar system and galaxy over the last 13billion years?!?!?

4000 years of recorded earth history is a mere glimpse in the sun.

It really just opens your mind up more.

[rodin]

Oh man this is excellent stuff!

History shouldnt just be confined to the realms of our planet but to our solar system and beyond! Imagine all of the things that have happened in our solar system and galaxy over the last 13billion years?!?!?

4000 years of recorded earth history is a mere glimpse in the sun.

It really just opens your mind up more.

13 billion years = accepting Big Bang as truth in face of massive evidence to contrary - superliminal galaxies, quasars appearing nearing than background gamma radiation, ARP galaxies and the obvious path of criminality running thru history and science

[majicdragon]

the first picture shows the blind spot of the milky way galaxy. from earth, the core of the milky way obscures a portion of the galaxy from our view. the next two pictures are very interesting and if they are examined carefully they reveal the earths location in the mini milky way. note the yellow dot on the first picture; it is the location of our solar system. now plot the location of our solar system onto the artists rendering of "the perfect stonehenge" and then plot the point onto stonehenge itself.
http://en.wikivisual.com/images/1/12/Milky_Way_Spiral_Arms.pnghttp://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/06/carnival_of_space_108_solstice/stonehenge_416.gifhttp://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/ancient/images/ga/stonehenge-from-above-692016-ga.jpg

once you have plotted the approximate point of our galaxy onto the mini milky way, look again at these two pictures for comparison:

http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sag1cann.jpghttp://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/ancient/images/ga/stonehenge-from-above-692016-ga.jpg
they are exactly backwards to one another in this picture comparison, so that makes it a bit tougher to see the resemblance, but once you can see it, it is remarkable. in the first picture, the earth is located almost at the plane of the milky way, and also within the boundary of sag deg(top right of picture). in the second picture, you have plotted the location for yourself, and can see that it is on the bottom left, as opposed to the top right. however difficult it may be to line these up for comparison, please give it a try. plot the points and travel around the pictures from each point in the same direction... use your fingers for place-holders if necessary.

I'VE BEEN LEARNING SO MUCH AND EVERYTHING IS PIECING TOGETHER LIKE IT IS BOUND BY GRAVITY. THERE ARE MANY CORRELATIONS OF THIS GALAXY DUO IN HISTORICAL RECORDS. i will go further into this soon.

[morrist0]

13 billion years = accepting Big Bang as truth in face of massive evidence to contrary - superliminal galaxies, quasars appearing nearing than background gamma radiation, ARP galaxies and the obvious path of criminality running thru history and science

Rodin, I dont accept the big bang as truth. I was just trying to make a point.

What are ARP galaxies thou??

[rodin]

Rodin, I dont accept the big bang as truth. I was just trying to make a point.

What are ARP galaxies thou??

See you @ 'Dimensions'

[rodin]

@ Majic Dragon

there is more to that song than meets the ear

do you have a link for the OP photograph?

[majicdragon]

@ Majic Dragon

there is more to that song than meets the ear

do you have a link for the OP photograph?

i do not know what you mean by "more tho that song than meets the ear"
i think it sounds good, but there are many mean spirited people here and i need more information before i can really decipher what this means... please forgive me.

i have a link for all the photographs, bu i do not know what you mean by op photograph.

lol am i the only one left on the planet who speaks a language that can be understood?

which image is the op image? again, i apologize, and ask: please refrain from using "newspeak" it is not good for society.

[majicdragon]

Carefully examine these pictures. Can you see that Stonehenge has been constructed as a depiction of the destruction sustained by Marduk via the forces of Tiamat... can you see that Stonehenge is the Milky Way?
http://teaandgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/stonehenge.jpghttp://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sag1cann.jpg
Marduk (the Milky Way) and Tiamat (Sag DEG)

there is even a path on the ground which represents the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy.

i know this says nothing about which galaxy we are from, but i found it to be extremely interesting.


here my assumption was wrong. in unfolding this mystery, i have found that the path on the ground does not represent the sag deg, because in realizing the earths specific location in stonehenge, it can be seen that the path is not in the right place. a human mistake?... ok, i apologize.

[mikethepunk]

I have got my head round it, call me crazy but those fucking gods are true.
nobody believes me, calls me a nutter, lol :), who will be having the last laugh

the ancient myths are not myths, they are remembered stuff from people passing on stuff to us many years later. then tptwere corrupt .. haha, we know;)

The hindu gods were also real. At one time the whole planet spoke Tamil, which was the original language of the Earth. This was A LONG TIME AGO.

The Aliens after Atlantis, split us up into groups around the planet, manipulated more of our DNA and created the 22 different languages of 22 different alien races that relate directly to out 22 strands of DNA.

Hinduism, REAL Hinduism has much of the truth embedded in their stories and scriptures. it is suppose to be a religion of freedom, but was also manipulated by the dark alien forces and eventually the church had a lot to do with the perversions of Hinduism that you see in India today.

[majicdragon]

I'm not sure I fully understand the reasoning going on here regarding the inter-orbitals of two disparate galaxies.

I can understand the mythological symbolism and story-telling, but if we have a dwarf galaxy turning on its own perpendicular axis to the Milky Way's, what gravitation forces are holding the dwarf galaxy together, and in relation to the Milky Way? Also, how did they get the image of the two galaxies in the first place...surely that is an 'imagining'? I don't think we have any cameras at a certain distance looking back on the two galaxies, and then sending the data to us here on earth. Looking at the image, the combination of both galaxies gives an impression of a gyroscopic galaxy. I am somewhat dubious to the whole idea.

they imaged the sky with the 2mass all sky survey. here is the 'about' from the website: http://www.ipac.caltech.edu/2mass/overview/about2mass.html

they surveyed the all sky with infrared. they pieced the picture together from the data.