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key_
28-06-2009, 09:19 AM
Does evil really exist? or is it just a perception?


Have you thought about the fact how you define something as evil?

It's either a act of something you don't like or the state that someone is in

That act or state is usually a reflection of the state the "observer is in" because when you observe you usually "label" what you observe

So the mere act of observing is in itself a creation because you are observing a part of yourself that you are not liking and it's reflecting back at you

Now how da hell does that analogy fit in with the New World Order?

Isn’t that like the worst kind of Psyops?

Too Brainwash people to believe "all is well" and that any creation that feels negative "even observing peoples behaviours" is actually your fault or responsibility

I mean I part of me get it, with the "observing part" I feel that it's true

But another part of me is saying, what a hell are you thinking, how can you be so easily fooled?

Am having a hard time deciding which part I should tune myself too

I feel that the loving part is more right then the look at the world and find it wrongs tells me but I’m not sure if I’m fooling myself that way

Does anyone have any advice? have you experienced this yourself?, I’m sure many have

Geesh it's confusing, sometimes I feel that the New World Order have moved into the softest form of fascism and it's being done through empathy and love it's like a "Brave New World"

So what’s the solution? How can you live with these “truths”

marpat
28-06-2009, 12:53 PM
Depends on the definition used. We could say negative evil is like a thrust block for good, it gives you something to kick against. Positive evil is that done by entities.

Peope often equate evil with destruction but in a universe that constantly changes creation and destruction are just part of the natural cycle of events.

jp13
28-06-2009, 06:32 PM
[Does evil really exist? or is it just a perception?]
I think it is both and more, I also think on a personal level it depends a lot on knowledge/ignorance and intention.
It's quite an open ended question, so I think a lot could be written about it.
I will try to be brief, and I am mainly coming at it from the personal responsibility angle.
If you are consciously causing pain or sufferring to another sentient being, then I would say that could be classed (judged) as an evil act, but when I look back at some of the things I did as an ignorant child i.e. shooting birds etc with an air gun, beating some other kid up, did't feel 'evil' at the time, but the grown up me, could not consciously do these acts without it bothering my conscience, somehow they still do not seem to be my idea of "EVIL", they are just wrong and causing sufferring to an other being that can feel, and hold no joy or interest for me.
I have always thought this though (whether I would act on it would be another question) i.e.If someone harmed a member of my family, and I mean really hurt or abused, then I would take my own action upon them and face the consequences.
I am trying to keep it brief, this would be one of my definations of Evil done on a large scale: Why is it that we still have people still dying of starvation on this planet at this time?
I can see no reason at all for it, to me it is Evil disguised as economics, politics all these pathetic excuses we use in order to justifythe evil we do to other Nations/People/Humans just like ourselves.
I also don't buy into the idea of Karma, i.e. we choose to be born into these terrible conditionsin order to learn something.
It doesn't take a genius to work out that there is enough food for everyone to be fed and given the means of production, but we are fed this really cheap lie that excuses this daily suffering, which to me is totally uneccessarry, and the really sick, evil part of it, is that we accept it, as one of those things we can't do anything about, so better just to look after ourselves as there by the grace of god etc.
I really like to think that we should be more mature and humane about what is probably the most fundamental Evil caused by human hands against other human beings.
This is one of the biggest mass hallucinations/brainwashing that has been done on an epic scale it seems since the dawn of humankind.
We all salve our own consciences by saying we are powerless to do anything about it, and to a large extent this is true, it's ok if we give a little to charity now and then, but we can't help these people it might upset the apple cart, or the 'natural selection', or the karmic lessons we are here to learn.
This is perhaps where I see the hidden hand misleading and filling us with so much erroneus ideas that we don't know what to do, and even if we want to change it (and I think a lot of us would) for the better, then we come up against resistance from world powers, and charity begins at home bollox.
To a large degree we are powerless, we have been indoctrinated to accept it as fact that these people must starve, we can help then a little bit, but it is up to them to make things better for themselves..."They" are us, the only difference is we inhabit a different region of the world to them.
So, I think the people who justify this mass suffering and have the power to change it are evil, but here's another thing I 've been noticing, as Countries become more like corporations and Corporations become more and more branded by 'Mission statements' etc the humans who work for these things are ceasing to have any personal responsibility, they're hands are washed clean by virtue of the fact that they are part of such and such twig on the tree, and it isn't part of they're remit or mission statement to take responsobility for the well being of humans who live on a different part of the planet, and they can only 'do so much' and no more.
This is when it is obvious to me that there is an agenda that is being forced upon us from every angle, by unseen forces (does it matter if they are human or alien reptiles, what if it is just us?).
I think this is why a lot of people in the West have mental problems like depression, anger, fear etc.
They are programmed to only look so far above the parapet, if they look further, they get pain.
I'm not sure what you mean Marpat when you say that "Positive evil is that done by entities".
What do you mean by entities, and do you include humans as 'entities'?
I can't write anymore for now.
Lots of different angels to approach this from/form.

analog
29-06-2009, 12:41 AM
Coming from a neutral view point I would call Evil "Disharmony"

Religious people call anything they don’t like “Evil” so I is very hard to define.

novymir
29-06-2009, 01:54 AM
"Good" and "evil" are a HOAX, the trap of dualism/polarity, brought on by error, denial, and false-identity.
Dualism/polarity is the result of separation from THE ONE, from Spirit.
It was an accident, mistake.
The correction is in progress.

lostinstrangeworld
29-06-2009, 02:06 PM
Evil is just a word; the meaning of words depend on our perception.

tusme
29-06-2009, 02:25 PM
"Evil" is a negative energy...

Unless, that is what a person is hoping to experience, the way to deal with such energy is, to dis-associate oneself from it...by projecting Truth energy towards/at it, BUT whatever you do, don't ever feed such energy...!!

Negative energy cannot be where Truth energy exists, neither can it be, where it is deprived/denied energy...in which case, it will simply move away...to some other unfortunate host...

Hope this helped...?

mauviene
29-06-2009, 04:52 PM
Before the advent of humans and language itself the concept of evil did not exist. The universe works off of two basic energies..that being its creative faculties..and that being its entropic or destructive faculties.

Positive and negative energy being the label of these cosmic principles.

So Evil exists so long as there is good to oppose it. Good exists so long as evil is its antagonist. Therefore the two create each other such as beauty creates ugliness, or hot creates cold. They are concepts of language..universally we would liken them to energetic principles; that being thus..evil would be the negative attribute of reality..good being the positive attribute..enlightenment being the force which contains but ascends both.

novymir
29-06-2009, 06:21 PM
Does "good" ever claim to be "evil"?
Does "evil" ever claim to be "good"?
What is the Hegelian Dialectical Process, and The Pragmatic Theory of Truth?
Rhetorical questions.

key_
29-06-2009, 06:25 PM
If evil is just an "energy" or a association to a feeling we might call "negative"

Then why does it exist?

What is the point?

mauviene
29-06-2009, 06:37 PM
Does "good" ever claim to be "evil"?
Does "evil" ever claim to be "good"?
What is the Hegelian Dialectical Process, and The Pragmatic Theory of Truth?
Rhetorical questions.

Yea..there are plenty of contradictions within this semantic puzzle.

For example look at the church and the government who claim to be good but are truly what one might consider evil.

As your reference to the philosopher Hegel and his former philosophers who create nothing but mind games and confusion I'm pretty sure they have all been refuted by philosophers such as Nietzsche and Schopenhauer in the modern philosophical world which has given birth to the newest and academically most valid peak of philosophy; that being existentialism.

But if you don't mind would you like to educate me in the Hegelian Dialectical Process and the Pragmatic Theory of Truth?

Also a good biblical and rather scriptural account of this problem comes to mind where a sage (maybe jesus or another at his level) has said that the true evil hides behind the facade of good.

Though I guess it truly comes down to a matter of prefered expereince. That is: do you prefer the frequency of negative energy and its entropic nature, or do you prefer the transient honor of the knight of truth virtue and valor..or..do you prefer the transcendence of the sage who takes both as inferior because his path is ascension?

mauviene
29-06-2009, 06:40 PM
If evil is just an "energy" or a association to a feeling we might call "negative"

Then why does it exist?

What is the point?

Two polarities must exist for the cycle of necessity to turn. Thus being the case just as the two magnetic polarities give birth to magnetism, so do positive and negative energies give birth to atomic stability within atoms. And thus do negative and positive energies dictate the material world in its ephemeral affairs. Mystic wisdom submits not to the two polarities..since they exist to form the basis of the material world...but seek a means of transcendence which has it's basis in what we define as the beyond..being both beyond negative and positive..beyond good and evil..a unity of both creating an energy adequate on a divine proportion.

tusme
29-06-2009, 06:48 PM
If evil is just an "energy" or a association to a feeling we might call "negative"

Then why does it exist?

What is the point?
Everything which exists is energy...vibrational energy.

Hypothetically speaking...when I choose not to exist/vibrate as knowing, being or expressing Truth energy, in this Physical Dimension, the opposite effect of that vibrational (thought/choice) energy will generate negative energy...which, as all energy does, possess a unique vibrational frequency...

So, negative energy essentially is our creation :eek: :) ...if I have a reason not to choose my Truth vibrational energy, then that would be the reason negative energy exists...

What's the point, you ask...!? Good question!! :)

Hmm, suppose you'd have to ask those who's purpose such "negative energy" would serve...!? *cough* *cough* ...tptb maybe...!? :D

novymir
29-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Yea..there are plenty of contradictions within this semantic puzzle.

For example look at the church and the government who claim to be good but are truly what one might consider evil.

As your reference to the philosopher Hegel and his former philosophers who create nothing but mind games and confusion I'm pretty sure they have all been refuted by philosophers such as Nietzsche and Schopenhauer in the modern philosophical world which has given birth to the newest and academically most valid peak of philosophy; that being existentialism.

But if you don't mind would you like to educate me in the Hegelian Dialectical Process and the Pragmatic Theory of Truth?

Also a good biblical and rather scriptural account of this problem comes to mind where a sage (maybe jesus or another at his level) has said that the true evil hides behind the facade of good.

Though I guess it truly comes down to a matter of prefered expereince. That is: do you prefer the frequency of negative energy and its entropic nature, or do you prefer the transient honor of the knight of truth virtue and valor..or..do you prefer the transcendence of the sage who takes both as inferior because his path is ascension?

I don't really buy any of the philosophies, I don't have a philosophy, I don't think. They're all mind-games, aren't they?
I'm not really in tune with answering your question now, sorry,, besides saying that thesis+anti-thesis=synthesis seems to me to be a good metaphor of the result of dualism/polarity. Which is; corruption, that is, that we did not start out that way.

Also, all mathematics and everything based on it is Pragmatism. That means everything. Time and space are infinite, therefore cannot truely be measured or quantified. At least, I'm unaware of anyone who claims to have taken the full measure of either...
Then you look at the "usefulness" of the proclaimed "truths" by the so-called experts and authorities, and look for a conflict of interest.
There is a predatory/parasitic consciousness that is interferring in this Creation, from outside of our (now)"normal" perception.

Which I guess, counts me out of the existentialism idea.

mauviene
29-06-2009, 10:55 PM
I don't really buy any of the philosophies, I don't have a philosophy, I don't think. They're all mind-games, aren't they?
I'm not really in tune with answering your question now, sorry,, besides saying that thesis+anti-thesis=synthesis seems to me to be a good metaphor of the result of dualism/polarity. Which is; corruption, that is, that we did not start out that way.

Also, all mathematics and everything based on it is Pragmatism. That means everything. Time and space are infinite, therefore cannot truely be measured or quantified. At least, I'm unaware of anyone who claims to have taken the full measure of either...
Then you look at the "usefulness" of the proclaimed "truths" by the so-called experts and authorities, and look for a conflict of interest.
There is a predatory/parasitic consciousness that is interferring in this Creation, from outside of our (now)"normal" perception.

Which I guess, counts me out of the existentialism idea.

So are you trying to proport some form of nihilism in which nothing matters, life is meaningless, or are you just undeclaring your view?

Cause that post did not make sense to me..

Unless you mean indulgence into the meaning of causes and wisdom thereof is pointless, which is the basic definition of philosophy..and that the thinking it incites has done nothing usefull (which in my view is erroneous..look at science for example..mathematics...geometry ect.) all of this stemmed from philosophy and that base desire to understand..

Do you deny the tenets of philosophy? If so you must deny the tenets of language itself and communication thereof since philosophy is the closest ally in use of language?

novymir
30-06-2009, 01:13 AM
So are you trying to proport some form of nihilism in which nothing matters, life is meaningless, or are you just undeclaring your view?

Cause that post did not make sense to me..

Unless you mean indulgence into the meaning of causes and wisdom thereof is pointless, which is the basic definition of philosophy..and that the thinking it incites has done nothing usefull (which in my view is erroneous..look at science for example..mathematics...geometry ect.) all of this stemmed from philosophy and that base desire to understand..

Do you deny the tenets of philosophy? If so you must deny the tenets of language itself and communication thereof since philosophy is the closest ally in use of language?

No, I am not "trying to proport some form of nihilism in which nothing matters, life is meaningless". At all.

I like to stay away from "isms". The Spirit will inform me of what I need to know.

mauviene
30-06-2009, 02:02 AM
No, I am not "trying to proport some form of nihilism in which nothing matters, life is meaningless". At all.

I like to stay away from "isms". The Spirit will inform me of what I need to know.

You need no isms and the spirit you speak of is meaningless.

What is its nature..are you referring to intuition or some original contrivance that breaks the bounds of reason?

novymir
30-06-2009, 02:33 AM
You need no isms and the spirit you speak of is meaningless.

What is its nature..are you referring to intuition or some original contrivance that breaks the bounds of reason?

IT's nature is THE ONE, IT is my connection to THE ONE. IT is within all Life, THAT which sustains it.




Of course I know that won't be a satisfactory answer for you... Oh well.

mauviene
30-06-2009, 03:59 AM
IT's nature is THE ONE, IT is my connection to THE ONE. IT is within all Life, THAT which sustains it.




Of course I know that won't be a satisfactory answer for you... Oh well.

You being of and the same substance of the one makes you the one thereof. So how can a self separate from this unification exist?

novymir
30-06-2009, 05:24 AM
You being of and the same substance of the one makes you the one thereof. So how can a self separate from this unification exist?

I Am a derivative, a component, an expression, of THE ONE, connected by Spirit.

Your "unification" stuff presumes too much. The TRUTH is not a secret, not complex, nor is it of the mind. The mind is informed, by That which Knows everything there is to Know.

Some Life-forms deny their connection, reject it, because they have adopted a false-identity, an identity that conflicts with the essence and intent of Creation. Due to denied error or accident.

They can't totally sever the connection. But they try, which is why they are parasitic/predatory, they have rejected The True One, source of LIFE. And sell a counterfeit, a Oneness that will not tolerate individuality. It is like a cancer within the body of our collective consciousness, within the Greater Collective Consciousness. "They" are prisoners of the intellect.
Basically, "they" are like the "BORG".

Individuality is the gift of LIFE, Free Life. The only problem is false identity.

rakkoo
30-06-2009, 05:32 AM
For these people are so far up there own noses that they talk with a snottering sniffering snout sound like that of a bloated fattened pig.
it is these people who carve themselves out of a shallow branch of a common tree and dress it with ignorence and pride then call it regal and refined.
they give authority and call others to serve them, they take from from the working class and insue fines if they fail to pay.
there greed is reconised through there power to claim and seek what they desire to call there own. they are callous and cruel, want total control and kill any one who defies them. there rule of a thousand years was told by biblical sears that satan sat on there throne and london was there home.
they hide behind the church and bless themselfes with verse in a anthem that says god bless the ruler for it is we who are the majesty.
there blood is supposedley pure, there origins we are not sure, but if put to the test then D.N.A will access that they are not human at all.
there temper is short and there hygeine is thought, to bath in a manner of vanity.
not a good word shall i speak of there false high, and petty almighty, will i bow to old blighty, while there reign to the throne on this land we call home, nor shall i stand to there tone of kingdom and glory we bless and we call thee our queen and our counrty, for she is not worthy nor fit or deserving the status shes given to make our decisions and commands us to obey her, http://mindlightandsoul.blogspot.com

mane
30-06-2009, 09:11 AM
Considering the nature of existence, life being a construct of perception, evil exists within perception. Thus, with the emphasis you place, stating 'does evil really exist?', it is key to recognize all thought forms as one's own. The factor at hand now is if one perceives evil as good, a negative as a positive, is evil evil?-- and if it is not, is there truly evil? The expression in response may follow as, GOD is good. As such, consider the system of a star tetrahedron (star of david (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Israeli_blue_Star_of_David.png/520px-Israeli_blue_Star_of_David.png)), where a negative and a positive act in unison for the benevolence of creation, where even destruction is creative. Such rhythm is found on every conceivable scale of fractal. Fall 8 times, stand up 9. Death is within life itself. The answer is relative to the frequency one vibrates; with the asymptotic magnitude of the heart of GOD, evil is not evil. And so, I conclude with the greatest philosophical statement ever drawn upon; It does and it doesn't. :)

octopusrex
30-06-2009, 01:35 PM
A man consciously rapes, tortures and murders a child.

Does that answer your question?

novymir
30-06-2009, 03:19 PM
A man consciously rapes, tortures and murders a child.

Does that answer your question?

I would say that man has lost awareness of his True Self, that he himself was traumatized when he was very young, with the intention of causing him to feel abandoned by "GOD"/Creator and consequently deny/reject his Spirit-connection with IT. At which point, a very different type of "spirit"/consciousness begins to possesses him, one that seeks to repeat the cycle.
The observer is immersed in the dream, it is fooled into believing the dream is all there is, the dream has been hijacked, and made into a prison of the mind. Polarity/dualism.

Of course there will be those who indignantly and adamantly declare this to be not true, that "he" is responsible, that to "blame" outside forces is a cop-out, blablabla...which suits "them" very nicely, yes, "he" does bear some responsibility, of course, maybe ultimate responsibility, but "he" is is being taken advantage of, by a consciousness that has intruded within this reality. That means "they" are exploiting an advantage, and as long as we _deny_ the existence and interferrence of "them" the cycle will be _repeated_. "They" possess many, are your thoughts really your own, how do you really know?
Ego and pride, and fear, is exploited and the body/brain is easily manipulated, "they" use pleasure-pain and braingames to keep us confused and in line. It's easy from outside this "dimension", that is, before this "reality" is manifest, it's frequency, interferrence patterns, thoughtforms.

The answer: Realize True Self, the Real You, do not accept false-identity as Truth, or that which conflicts with the Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE Within-- and all around.

David Icke is speaking the truth (though that does not mean the whole truth, or that he is above being deceived, yet), in terms he understands and can express, but his focus on "the elite/illuminati" is really not the big picture, he's just being nice to people's egos, so they can feel semi-secure of their own self, taking them step by step, but ultimately, anyone who is playing by the rules of polarity/dualism is possessed by "them". It was their separation from IT that is the source of that dualism/polarity, as such, "they" invented it and project it into this realm and control both sides, knowing the end result. If left alone,,, which is not the case. They are ignorant of that "above" them. Like most here are ignorant of "them".

It may seem like I am contradicting myself, by using the terms "we" and "them", and "separation", I am still stuck in the game of polarity? Yes, and no, what it is is a Virtual separation-- it's not True, it is only apparent, but nevertheless this false-identity exists in the minds of some and is therefore manifested within the confines of our shared reality( the 3-1/2 or 4th "dimension" is outside our own, but incorporates all 3-1/2 or 4 aspects--- advantage-"them"). It is basically "elitism" "supremacism", but this "dimension" is not the only place it has manifested. There is a trickle-down, infectious disease effect from "above".
Another thing, this is not about "blame", it is just seeing what is, I am no better than "them", no life-form is of superior value to another, all it is about is seeing error, and correcting it. By us as individuals doing so, we help cure the problem collectively from our end. Ultimately, We are Them, and They are US, but WE All are more than that, and Knowing and living that is how we eliminate the apparent separation.

octopusrex
30-06-2009, 06:03 PM
I would say that man has lost awareness of his True Self, that he himself was traumatized when he was very young, with the intention of causing him to feel abandoned by "GOD"/Creator and consequently deny/reject his Spirit-connection with IT. At which point, a very different type of "spirit"/consciousness begins to possesses him, one that seeks to repeat the cycle.
The observer is immersed in the dream, it is fooled into believing the dream is all there is, the dream has been hijacked, and made into a prison of the mind. Polarity/dualism.

Of course there will be those who indignantly and adamantly declare this to be not true, that "he" is responsible, that to "blame" outside forces is a cop-out, blablabla...which suits "them" very nicely, yes, "he" does bear some responsibility, of course, maybe ultimate responsibility, but "he" is is being taken advantage of, by a consciousness that has intruded within this reality. That means "they" are exploiting an advantage, and as long as we _deny_ the existence and interferrence of "them" the cycle will be _repeated_. "They" possess many, are your thoughts really your own, how do you really know?
Ego and pride, and fear, is exploited and the body/brain is easily manipulated, "they" use pleasure-pain and braingames to keep us confused and in line. It's easy from outside this "dimension", that is, before this "reality" is manifest, it's frequency, interferrence patterns, thoughtforms.

The answer: Realize True Self, the Real You, do not accept false-identity as Truth, or that which conflicts with the Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE Within-- and all around.

David Icke is speaking the truth (though that does not mean the whole truth, or that he is above being deceived, yet), in terms he understands and can express, but his focus on "the elite/illuminati" is really not the big picture, he's just being nice to people's egos, so they can feel semi-secure of their own self, taking them step by step, but ultimately, anyone who is playing by the rules of polarity/dualism is possessed by "them". It was their separation from IT that is the source of that dualism/polarity, as such, "they" invented it and project it into this realm and control both sides. Knowing the end result. If left alone, which is not the case. They are ignorant of that "above" them. Like most here are ignorant of "them".

It may seem like I am contradicting myself, by using the terms "we" and "them", and "separation", I am still stuck in the game of polarity? Yes, and no, what it is is a Virtual separation-- it's not True, it is only apparent, but nevertheless this false-identity exists in the minds of some and is therefore manifested within the confines of our shared reality( the 3-1/2 or 4th "dimension" is outside our own, but incorporates all 3-1/2 or 4 aspects--- advantage-"them"). It is basically "elitism" "supremacism", but this "dimension" is not the only place it has manifested. There is a trickle-down, infectious disease effect from "above".

The evil exists in the moment itself. For the evil to exist in needs the victim and the victimator. The gun, the murderer and the person whose brains are blown all over the pavement. The knife, the knife wielder and the victim. How they got there is irrelevant because they are there.;)

I'll go one further. Under the use of certain mind-enhancing substances, you can sometimes see spirits both "good" and "evil". The "good" spirits have names you can use to bring them to you. Names like: Buddha, Christ, Visnu. Calling upon the evil spirits is not advisable. They have names too though.

The baddies come for your feet. The goodies come from above. The baddies crawl out of the earth for you. The goodies descend from the air for you. You can tell them apart because the baddies will terrify your spirit and the goodies will uplift it.

mauviene
01-07-2009, 06:45 PM
I Am a derivative, a component, an expression, of THE ONE, connected by Spirit.

Your "unification" stuff presumes too much. The TRUTH is not a secret, not complex, nor is it of the mind. The mind is informed, by That which Knows everything there is to Know.

Some Life-forms deny their connection, reject it, because they have adopted a false-identity, an identity that conflicts with the essence and intent of Creation. Due to denied error or accident.

They can't totally sever the connection. But they try, which is why they are parasitic/predatory, they have rejected The True One, source of LIFE. And sell a counterfeit, a Oneness that will not tolerate individuality. It is like a cancer within the body of our collective consciousness, within the Greater Collective Consciousness. "They" are prisoners of the intellect.
Basically, "they" are like the "BORG".

Individuality is the gift of LIFE, Free Life. The only problem is false identity.

Right your connection to spirit and the one is selfless. Beings who deny this connection use the self or the false identity as the basis for their action.

Of course you cannot sever the connection because the concept of self does not exist..it is but an aspect of thought or mind..Oneness is. Individuality is conceptualized within oneness. The concept of self is dependent upon oneness.

Of course as singular essences we can enjoy our qualities that make us different in personality and thought, but realizing we are also one makes this variation in creation all the more treasured.

novymir
01-07-2009, 07:38 PM
Right your connection to spirit and the one is selfless. Beings who deny this connection use the self or the false identity as the basis for their action.

Of course you cannot sever the connection because the concept of self does not exist..it is but an aspect of thought or mind..Oneness is. Individuality is conceptualized within oneness. The concept of self is dependent upon oneness.

Of course as singular essences we can enjoy our qualities that make us different in personality and thought, but realizing we are also one makes this variation in creation all the more treasured.

Yeah, it is great, amazing, incredible...... I Am so grateful to Be a part of IT and ALL.

turquoisefire777
01-07-2009, 10:02 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35590

evil exists, but it is not needed, hence why it fights to hang on to life.

shankara
02-07-2009, 05:00 AM
Oh, this is not going to be popular. :D While I do believe in negative entities, human atrocities, sociopathic mentalities and the like, I do not ultimately believe in true evil, at least as defined as a force or entity opposed to God or goodness. If God, as defined as good, omnipotent, and omnipresent exists, then evil as defined above cannot. If God is omnipotent, there can be no force that is against the Will of God. If God is omnipresent, there can be nothing that is not ultimately an expression of God. Humans also, must be God (or Oneness, Being, etc.) expressing Itself through these supposedly finite forms. Since the infinite cannot be separated (individualized yes, but not divided), on some level we must be not just a part of the Infinite, but the whole. Most of us identify ourselves solely as the finite individual/soul, and not as the true Self, the infinite One (even if we understand the concept of Oneness, and believe it, that is still an understanding from the individual mind, and not a direct experience of infinite Oneness). Therefore, acts and entities that threaten our individual life, or that would torment a finite soul (not necessarily temporal finiteness, but finite/limited in power, existence, presence, etc), we label evil, not realizing the nature of our true Self. We, while identifying as the individual (which exists but is not the totality of our Self), cannot justify or explain acts that we deem evil, because we do not have an infinite perspective.

Why would God want to experience these acts? Well, we cannot blame God for creating humans and torturing them, as God is really ‘torturing’ Itself. I’d liken it to when a person likes to watch horror films. Because there is not threat to him, he is free to enjoy the film, to enjoy the experiences and essences of fear, anger, hatred, and even evil without the burden of self-preservation. God also, can enjoy all experiences (God is all possibility, which is why there is a multiplicity of forms and experiences) without the threat to Self-existence. While meditating once, I had the experience of this true Self. I then had the experience of feeling emotions from all of my past lives, and realized on some level (the true Self), I had always loved finite existence; I loved life, and all of the things I thought I hated during my many lifetimes I had always truly loved. I loved experiencing it all, and I sobbed and sobbed with joy, wanting to show everyone that life, all parts of live, is truly divine love. Still, I was almost upset in a way, feeling sad because of how casually I treated earthly existence during all those lifetimes, how much I resisted certain aspects of it, when now I realize how perfect and full of love it always was and is.

However, that it not to say there is not good and bad, or that everything is meaningless. There is an ethical standard, and that is to act as closely in line as possible with your true nature. Good and bad are directly related to truth and illusion. Negative events or beings are of a lower 'vibration' (or level of understanding/realization) because they are operating so far from truth. Yet still, because God (in my belief) is infinite and omnipresent, even the illusion that we are separate individuals, all competing against one another to survive, completely unaware of our true identity, is part of God too. So regardless of the ultimate truth of goodness and infinity, this is not a license to commit harmful acts against another individual, for while it is true you can never harm their true Self, there are many who aren’t yet aware of that fact and are still operating from the awareness of the individual. No one can see until you see; you can’t know until you know, and it is necessary to have compassion for those who haven't yet seen (as they are really you). You have to meet them where they are.

ustane
22-07-2009, 01:18 PM
I don't know. I used to believe it was a polarity of good. But now I wonder if there is a shocking truth that Evil is an entity unto itself or nothing is making sense anymore. Digest some of Amitakh Stanford's writings and see how it feels.