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accuracy
27-06-2009, 09:11 AM
Rigorous exercise increases heart disease risk

I've said it for years: Exercise is not always the lifesaver that everyone tries to make it out to be. In fact, it can actually be quite dangerous. This has been one of my most controversial stances over the years. But as is so often the case, the latest research has supported my way of thinking rather than conventional wisdom.

The new research comes from New York University Medical Center, and suggests that the more you engage in vigorous exercise, the more you're at risk for atrial fibrillation (AF), a condition characterized by irregular rapid heart rate. The results of AF range from minor (fainting) to potentially lethal (heart failure or stroke).

For years, the idea that exercise is the guaranteed path to perfect health and a longer life has driven many Americans to overexert themselves. And for what? There's no credible evidence that any of this activity will actually prolong your life.

The other side of the coin, however, is that there's plenty of evidence that exercise may actually increase your chances of kicking the proverbial bucket. If you have serious, unrecognized heart disease, exercise may cause you to experience sudden death from a heart attack. In fact, the leading cause of exercise-related deaths even in well-trained athletes is coronary heart disease.

Ready for the scary part? It was found that the men who exercised enough to break a sweat from five to seven days each week upped the chances of developing AF by a whopping 20 percent.

And in case you haven't figured this out already, the group that did no vigorous exercise - they didn't have any increase in their propensity for AF.

And here's the paradox: the people who were part of the "break a sweat" crowd were the "healthy" set - men under 50 who ran regularly. Exercise mavens would have you believe that the opposite would surely be the case. In fact, the research showed that the incidence of AF among this select group was sky-high. It was up by 53 percent in men who jog, and as much as 74 percent for young men who routinely "break a sweat."

The increased exposure to AF among the extremely active is not as contradictory as you might think. Cardiomegaly - enlargement of the heart - is considered "healthy" in athletes. By the same token, athletes with irregular electrocardiograms are not told that they've got a condition that goes hand-in-hand with heart disease. But in "normal" people (non-athletes), both of these conditions would be cause for the utmost concern.

When you take all this into account, the numbers of this "new" research aren't so surprising. It's no great shock that so many "super athletes" like marathoners die young as a result of - you guessed it - heart disease.

But of course the authors of this study hasten to point out that the results of their research do not, by themselves prove that "vigorous exercise" - however that's actually defined - is a direct cause of AF. But if you ask me, I would be sure to take it easy the next time you head out to try and "break a sweat."

Zero hour for Coke Zero

So much about healthcare and how its administered is about politics, power and money. And here's a perfect example: the recent banning of the Coca Cola soft drink Coke Zero by the government of Venezuela.

The drink was just launched in the Central American country this past spring, but now Jesus Mantilla, Venezuela's health minister has proclaimed that Coke Zero "should be withdrawn from circulation to preserve the health of Venezuelans."

I'm sure you know that Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez is an outspoken opponent of the U.S. government, and has publicly condemned American policy on more then one occasion. And in my opinion, the fact that the Venezuelan government has failed to provide any specific health reasons for the ban supports my theory that this is merely Chavez lashing out at Coca Cola - the commercial embodiment of the U.S. all over the world.

As you know, I'm not the biggest fan of soft drinks. I've told you for years that these sugary drinks are huge contributors to diabetes and weight gain.

But let's be honest … if Chavez really wanted to "preserve" the health of his people, he'd have banned not just Coke Zero, but regular Coca Cola.

But to ban them? That's not the government's job. It's yours. Make your own decision to cut them out of your diet.

http://www.douglassreport.com/dailydose/dd200906/dd20090624a.html

limelady
27-06-2009, 10:23 AM
Hi accuracy!

I've been getting Dr Douglass's Daily Dose reports every day for many years now, and indeed he HAS always said too much exercise does more harm than good. I too have instinctively felt rigorous exercise is detrimental to good health, particularly the type that make you over-exert yourself.

The very best way to stay fit and healthy IMO, is to walk a bit each day, and do a few stretches or something gentle like yoga.

Good post.....thanks! :)

loderlive
27-06-2009, 12:53 PM
Right, rigorous, high intensity exercise is only necessary having done the preparation and foundation work that would enable you to train at this level. Otherwise it can do more damage than good. Progression is key and the building upto it over a period of time, and even then with adequate phases of lower intensity and active rest.

e7304
28-06-2009, 06:23 AM
Dr Al Sears has an e book out called "PACE". He advocates exercise that increases your lung and heart capacity. I am currently using this for weight loss also. The idea is that quick sprints followed by a break for up to 12-20 minutes per session. The Murdoch University in Western Australia did some testing last year, and it was pure luck that I saw it on the news, where short sharp sprints with a good break in between, were shown to decrease the chance of getting adult diabetes. He talks about how "aerobics" and marathon type exercise are BAD and how sprinters in general are overall more healthy and muscular, and that sprinting increases the hearts potential to overcome stresses placed on it.

supertzar
28-06-2009, 07:04 AM
Jogging is pretty hard on your body. Lifting is way better in my opinion. I bet fewer lifters get heart problems than joggers excluding steroid users.

Just saw this: sprinters in general are overall more healthy and muscular, and that sprinting increases the hearts potential to overcome stresses placed on it.

It's because sprinting is anaerobic, just like lifting.

morjo
28-06-2009, 09:39 AM
I've heard many times that doing a lot rigorous exercise can cause heart problems.
The only exercise I do is walking, I walk a lot!

morjo
28-06-2009, 09:43 AM
Jogging is pretty hard on your body. Lifting is way better in my opinion. I bet fewer lifters get heart problems than joggers excluding steroid users.

Just saw this:

It's because sprinting is anaerobic, just like lifting.

Yes less heart problems, but you can do your back in as well as damage other parts of the body is not done correctly.

accuracy
28-06-2009, 10:45 AM
I've heard many times that doing a lot rigorous exercise can cause heart problems.
The only exercise I do is walking, I walk a lot!

Walking is the answer.........:cool:

nirvana
28-06-2009, 12:06 PM
Since i started swimming in the sea i feel alot better. Also use my kettle bells couple days aweek.

I think life is proboly the biggest killer because everyone dies from it.

darketernal
28-06-2009, 07:54 PM
Yes less heart problems, but you can do your back in as well as damage other parts of the body is not done correctly.

I'm not a huge fan of running, and I'll be quite honest and say I have not met many marathon runners I thought of as well-conditioned athletes or exceptionally healthy.

As for weight training, I will say that done correctly it will give you are strong and less-injury prone back than any untrained individual could even dream of possessing.

I'll still be beating on the iron when I'm 80 so that I'm not weak and crippled. This is what a healthy 72-year-old man looks like:
http://www.davedraper.com/site%20images/bill-pearl.jpg
This is one of a man in his 60's (born 1930) and I've seen some of him in his 70's with all grey hair and he looks the same, maybe 5 lbs lighter but can't find one right now:
http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/AlbertBeckles1.jpg

Resistance training is the fountain of youth and fitness.

darketernal
28-06-2009, 07:56 PM
Jogging is pretty hard on your body. Lifting is way better in my opinion. I bet fewer lifters get heart problems than joggers excluding steroid users.

Just saw this:

It's because sprinting is anaerobic, just like lifting.

Right sprinting is anaerobic, like weight training, hence it is a completely different type of training than running.

noesis
29-06-2009, 08:50 AM
Hi accuracy!

I've been getting Dr Douglass's Daily Dose reports every day for many years now, and indeed he HAS always said too much exercise does more harm than good. I too have instinctively felt rigorous exercise is detrimental to good health, particularly the type that make you over-exert yourself.

The very best way to stay fit and healthy IMO, is to walk a bit each day, and do a few stretches or something gentle like yoga.

Good post.....thanks! :)

Sorry to go off topic ... lovin' the avatar LL!

Oh yeh ... rigorous exercise is bad :)

swethirte
29-06-2009, 09:02 AM
I think it certainly can be, if you're out of shape or lead an unhealthy lifestyle. Speaking from experience though, given that we in the Daughters of Frya are required to perform 1200 deep knee bends, or squats if you like, every day, if you stick to the same regime daily, no matter how punishing it might appear, you will be able to do it, and it will keep you fit and healthy.

limelady
29-06-2009, 09:47 AM
Sorry to go off topic ... lovin' the avatar LL!

Oh yeh ... rigorous exercise is bad :)

Thanks.....its been a while since I've used an av that's taken the piss out of somebody, so I thought it was time.....and lets face it, Obama had it coming! :D

I think it certainly can be, if you're out of shape or lead an unhealthy lifestyle. Speaking from experience though, given that we in the Daughters of Frya are required to perform 1200 deep knee bends, or squats if you like, every day, if you stick to the same regime daily, no matter how punishing it might appear, you will be able to do it, and it will keep you fit and healthy.

But what about your poor knee joints! You may need a cartilage transplant if you keep that up! :eek:

:D

swethirte
29-06-2009, 11:08 AM
But what about your poor knee joints! You may need a cartilage transplant if you keep that up! :eek:

:D

Not if you do it properly, and keep on doing it. I've been doing it for 16 years, and there are others who have done it far longer.

decode reality
29-06-2009, 06:59 PM
Joe Strummer died very young (50) and I've often wondered whether it was those marathons he ran, coupled with the intensity of his music performances.

motleyhoo
02-07-2009, 04:45 PM
The type of "heart disease" that most athletes die from is not a disease but congenital defects. Please do not confuse this with coronary artery disease. I was an athlete and I had a near-death heart attack followed by emergency bypass surgery. My arteries and the lining of my heart however were so devoid of plaque or any other artifacts on the 3D pet scan that the Cardiologists were calling other people in to look at the images. What I had was a congenital defect that I was always told was just a benign murmur.

Being a person who likes to know how things work, I spent the next year learning everything I could about what had happened to me. Exersise did not cause my failure, nor did it cause "heart disease", and I was regularly running my heart rate to 190 bpm for several minutes at a time. The other thing I found is that the vast majority of athletic deaths, especially among young people, are caused by genetic defects that were either not detected or were ignored (as was my case).

The heart has a funny way of accomodating genetic defects over time. In my case, my heart created extra capillaries to compensate for the defect I had. If my problem had ocurred at a younger age (I was 45 at the time) I would have died on the spot because my heart would not have had time to build up enough of these extra capillaries yet. That is why the predominance of these deaths are young folks, and why it has nothing to do with heart disease.

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metacomet
02-07-2009, 04:59 PM
Right sprinting is anaerobic, like weight training, hence it is a completely different type of training than running.

I used to run distance, 2-5 miles... sometimes 10 miles. I only did 10 miles a few times.

I sprint now. It's nice.

Anyway... as far as this article is concerned, all I see coming from stuff like this is alot of people sitting on their butt thinking "Oh so it's ok for me not to exercise."

Give me a break.

It's also like all of the 'breaking health stories' in the 90's where 'Coffee may actually be good for you!' etc.

Just telling people what they want to hear, that's all this is.

darketernal
02-07-2009, 05:47 PM
The type of "heart disease" that most athletes die from is not a disease but congenital defects. Please do not confuse this with coronary artery disease. I was an athlete and I had a near-death heart attack followed by emergency bypass surgery. My arteries and the lining of my heart however were so devoid of plaque or any other artifacts on the 3D pet scan that the Cardiologists were calling other people in to look at the images. What I had was a congenital defect that I was always told was just a benign murmur.

Being a person who likes to know how things work, I spent the next year learning everything I could about what had happened to me. Exersise did not cause my failure, nor did it cause "heart disease", and I was regularly running my heart rate to 190 bpm for several minutes at a time. The other thing I found is that the vast majority of athletic deaths, especially among young people, are caused by genetic defects that were either not detected or were ignored (as was my case).

The heart has a funny way of accomodating genetic defects over time. In my case, my heart created extra capillaries to compensate for the defect I had. If my problem had ocurred at a younger age (I was 45 at the time) I would have died on the spot because my heart would not have had time to build up enough of these extra capillaries yet. That is why the predominance of these deaths are young folks, and why it has nothing to do with heart disease.

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Right, I have mild cardiomyopathy that doesn't need medication to control. My father has it, as do both of his brothers, and it killed my grandfather at age 55. My cardiologist said the amount of training I've done in my life seems to kept it under control, unlike my father who got out of shape in his 20's after getting out of the special forces, and had his first heart attack at 32.

So like you I know what it is like to be physically active with a genetic heart defect.

I used to run distance, 2-5 miles... sometimes 10 miles. I only did 10 miles a few times.

I sprint now. It's nice.

Anyway... as far as this article is concerned, all I see coming from stuff like this is alot of people sitting on their butt thinking "Oh so it's ok for me not to exercise."

Give me a break.

It's also like all of the 'breaking health stories' in the 90's where 'Coffee may actually be good for you!' etc.

Just telling people what they want to hear, that's all this is.

I agree, this is information twisted in such a way as to incourage more people ot be inactive... while many of the elites I've known over the years eat organic food and have nice home gyms (or at the very least attend a quality gym several times a week).

I too did distant running for a year, ( the most I did was 12 miles in a day), and usually just did a 3 mile run first thing in the morning, prior to getting into serious weight training.

supertzar
02-07-2009, 05:50 PM
I think there is a conspiracy, for lack of a better word, to make people equate "fitness" with low-intensity aerobic activities like jogging. The ideal of being thin without much muscular development has been pushed along with it. It adds up to a conspiracy to make us weak in my opinion.

limelady
03-07-2009, 01:13 AM
We must all learn to listen to our own inner wisdom (intuition) when it comes to matters like this. Each of us are different, so best to work with what feels right for you.

Providing you don't feel pressured by outside sources (who may not always have your best interests at heart), and providing you take heed of any warnings/promptings you get from your own 'higher self' (the part of you that knows), exercise how you want, and you should be fine! :)

ellis_deatrip
26-08-2010, 05:51 AM
I know it's a little late but figured,I'll Bump this thread since I'm trying to gather some Heart disease info anyway.
So far the links that have been posted are excellent and have really helped.
Joe Strummer died very young (50) and I've often wondered whether it was those marathons he ran, coupled with the intensity of his music performances.
Strummer ran marathons?:eek:
He also enjoyed a fair bit of the old sugar-booger,you know, charlie. Right?
Cocaine definitely has ill-effects on one's Ticker.

"Charlie don't surf...."? :confused:
:D