milk alternatives

[sindakit]

i just watched the freedom movie 2009 on youtube and it has a part in there about milk containing a chemical glue!? Does this apply to dairies worldwide?

Thought i'd ask about any alternatives anyway. rice milk and oat milk. whats peoples thoughts? any others?
I know soya's rubbish lol

[unusual_suspect]

i just watched the freedom movie 2009 on youtube and it has a part in there about milk containing a chemical glue!? Does this apply to dairies worldwide?

Thought i'd ask about any alternatives anyway. rice milk and oat milk. whats peoples thoughts? any others?
I know soya's rubbish lol

You can make milk with almonds and water - never tried it because I'm to lazy, but here's a link

http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/almondmilk.html

[jolinemaria]

i just watched the freedom movie 2009 on youtube and it has a part in there about milk containing a chemical glue!? Does this apply to dairies worldwide?

Thought i'd ask about any alternatives anyway. rice milk and oat milk. whats peoples thoughts? any others?
I know soya's rubbish lol

I don't buy factory processed milk.
I buy raw milk from a bio-dynamic farm.
If you are stuck on milk then raw unprocessed milk is a good alternative.
I hear rice milk is nice.
Soy milk seems to be hazardous to health.

[cafetimes1991]

I hated soya milk. Rice milk I tolerated, and is actually pretty nice.
Now I have a Yoplait Everybody with my cereal, and some milk in my coffee (and even that's a rarity).
I have almost completely cut out dairy from my diet. I was thinking of starting to eat it again though, as I'm so thin.

[rubes]

we give milk on an evening to our lil un on a night time, she's only 12 months old, and she gets the full fat stuff........whats the alternative? .........Organic? .......no organic places near us, but would the supermarkets sell it?

cheers

[rich]

we give milk on an evening to our lil un on a night time, she's only 12 months old, and she gets the full fat stuff........whats the alternative? .........Organic? .......no organic places near us, but would the supermarkets sell it?

cheers

We get organic non-homogenized as there is no RAW supplier within 25miles and a 50mile round trip is a bit OTT for milk!

You can get organic at the supermarket, but doubt any sell non-homogenized. Hope you find a good solution.

"Dr. Spreen claims the homogenization process breaks up and destroys enzymes through its heating process. He says the enzyme xanthine oxidase, in it's altered state, can enter the bloodstream and react against arterial walls, causing the body to protect the area with a layer of cholesterol. This is serious! What is the milk industry trying to do to us?

According to Dr. Spreen the skimming process makes the remaining nutrients more difficult to absorb. He adds, "The calcium is better absorbed in the presence of milk fat (though the high amount of fat in whole milk is for very-fast-growing baby cows, not baby people)."

This is not the first time I have heard that. Some professionals have gone so far as to say only babies need milk and once adulthood is achieved you no longer need milk, but in any case, it is raw milk that offers the nutritional qualities needed."

[paolo]

we give milk on an evening to our lil un on a night time, she's only 12 months old, and she gets the full fat stuff........whats the alternative? .........Organic? .......no organic places near us, but would the supermarkets sell it?

cheers
It's actually a big problem with babies and infants. Cow's milk can still play havoc with the intestinal lining and allow bigger and more irritating molecules through
Goat's and ewe's milk may be rather better and available at some sources.
Sow's milk is probably closest to human breast milk, due to the prehistoric hybridisation, according to Stewart Swerdlow, but who's going to want to give their infant pig's milk?

[bobbydiva]

crap, I work out a lot and drink gallons of milk.

[rubes]

Might give goats milk a try.....

[charas]

Goats milk wont taste nice if your used to cows milk lol.
Fresh organic cow milk is good for you, ayurvedic medicine recognises this and says it is sweet to the body and promotes awareness of the mind.
The problem is (like most things in todays society) the way it is produced.
The cows are given hormones and antibiotics etc which makes organic a better option.

Then there is the pasturization and homogenization of the milk.

Pasturization is simply heating the milk, this destroys enzymes, good bacteria, vitamins and proteins in the milk which help digestion and have many other health benefits. They say they pasturize milk so we dont get E.coli but raw milk from clean farms actually has a lower risk because it still contains the good bacteria which prevent bad bacteria.

Then the milk is skimmed for half fat and low fat milks,
without the cream in the milk, your body does not efficiently absorb the full array of fat soluble vitamins in the milk, many of them slimming vitamins, which means skimmed milk is actually less healthy and possibly more fattening than full fat.

Homogenization is a mechanical process where the milk is passed at high pressure through smal holes which does something to mix the fat in with the milk so there is no layer of cream on the milk when left to stand.
Like rich pointed out this is bad practice.

I have acess to organic non-homogenized milk, its great.
But raw milk is very hard to find as it has been made illegal for supermarkets or any shop to sell it unless it is the farm shop.
This keeps it out of reach for the masses, they say it is to protect us from disease.
The real reason, I suspect, is because raw milk is great help in curing CANCER, it, unlike fruits and other cleansing foods which help cancer, is a building food which makes it far better for a frail cancer patient.

[bobbydiva]

is there a particular brand people recconmend? Or do you really need to find your own local supplier.

[Ian2day]

I stopped consuming milk and other dairy over 2 years ago. Of course there is the odd occasion when it is added to food by others. What I do miss eatting is lime marmalade on toast. I've not eatten jam etc in about 3 years now. Oh strawberry jam with double cream on a scone takes me back to holidays in Devon as a child. Also I miss milkshakes a lot. Not been able to figure out a substitute for them yet. Oh trifles and custurd are also off of the list of food I eat now.

[2013]

Never used milk as an adult really . Went onto soya milk for a long time then rice milk .Using oat milk now thats a lot better tasting IMO than rice or soya. I use it in smoothies so its good for milk shakes etc . You can also make hemp milk .Ive tasted it but not made it , very nice it is to .
http://nutiva.com/nutrition/recipes/milk.php
http://www.amphora-retail.com/hemp-milk-maker-p-1842.html
:D

[paolo]

Oatley organic is the best No doubt made by some conglomerate

[gaias child]

I make various nut and seed milk, such as hemp seed milk, full of amino acids and minerals and efa, it is easy. I soak seeds overnight and rinse in morning and blend with water and then strain so the hulls are left

[supertzar]

I don't buy factory processed milk.
I buy raw milk from a bio-dynamic farm.
If you are stuck on milk then raw unprocessed milk is a good alternative.
I hear rice milk is nice.
Soy milk seems to be hazardous to health.

Raw milk rules! I think it is really good for you. It has those beneficial bacterial cultures that we need, but don't get.

[rubes]

whats so bad about dairy, we are new to all this

[accuracy]

Read my lips, milk is only for newborn calfs, not human consumpton. :rolleyes:

[2013]

I make various nut and seed milk, such as hemp seed milk, full of amino acids and minerals and efa, it is easy. I soak seeds overnight and rinse in morning and blend with water and then strain so the hulls are left

Do you use seeds that have had shells removed or not ? can you use either type , if shelled do you need to crush them first to let water soak through ? :D

[supertzar]

Read my lips, milk is only for newborn calfs, not human consumpton. :rolleyes:

Is that a rule you made up? Lol!

[rich]

is there a particular brand people recconmend? Or do you really need to find your own local supplier.

Manor Farm Organic is the farm/company that I get (organic non-homogenised).

Agreed with those that say avoiding altogether is probably best, but I've been vegi for over 15years, and have dairy quite deeply engrained in my dietary lifestyle.

Here is a world raw list;

http://www.realmilk.com/where-other.html

UK
http://www.seedsofhealth.co.uk/resources/dairy/index.shtml

[charas]

Read my lips, milk is only for newborn calfs, not human consumpton. :rolleyes:

Then what is a seed? Only for the nutrition of a seedling?

[rich]

Noticed this on the raw list;

Waitrose supermarkets sell a new organic Welsh cheese made from raw cow's milk. They also sell unpasteurised organic parmiggiano Reggiano cheese and organic Roquefort made from raw ewe's milk. They stock Emmental and Gruyere made from raw milk but they're not organic.

Not milk, but maybe of interest. I'll be trying some of those as we had a waitrose open not long ago in nearby blandford.

[gods sun]

like sound of oat milk good for energy bodybuilding especially and chuck in some protein shake and your flying wow ye im good start geting big grab some kettlesbells as well.

[charas]

Noticed this on the raw list;

Waitrose supermarkets sell a new organic Welsh cheese made from raw cow's milk. They also sell unpasteurised organic parmiggiano Reggiano cheese and organic Roquefort made from raw ewe's milk. They stock Emmental and Gruyere made from raw milk but they're not organic.

Not milk, but maybe of interest. I'll be trying some of those as we had a waitrose open not long ago in nearby blandford.

Yes this is definetely of interest, you can also get raw organic swiis emmental @ tesco's.
There is still good food out there if you search and select,
while the junk you reject. :)

[motleyhoo]

Living Harvest Hemp Milk is really good.

http://www.worldpantry.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ExecMacro/livingharvest/home.d2w/report

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[lauren_almighty]

I really need a milk alternative that works well in cooking. Not something that will change consistency or taste foul when it's been heated.

I have really gone off milk and have put some of my family and friends off it too because I recently found out through one of the other forum threads that cows milk contains pus. I researched it on google and it is in fact true. Milk has to undergo tests to check that it contains the correct evels of pus otherwise it cannot be sold. It is absolutely disgusting and I have been put off it especially because it confirms just how badly a dairy cow is treated. Milked so often that it develops infections and mastitis but is still continuously milked afterwards. That is cruel and I certainly don't want to help fund the dairy industry. Another theory is that it is caused by growth hormones. If anybody cares for cows then they too would be seeking an alternative to milk.

I always wondered why milk had a lumpy texture whenever I drank it.

http://www.milksucks.com/pus.asp

http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/060524a.html

[ekim]

I stopped consuming milk and other dairy over 2 years ago. Of course there is the odd occasion when it is added to food by others. What I do miss eatting is lime marmalade on toast. I've not eatten jam etc in about 3 years now. Oh strawberry jam with double cream on a scone takes me back to holidays in Devon as a child. Also I miss milkshakes a lot. Not been able to figure out a substitute for them yet. Oh trifles and custurd are also off of the list of food I eat now.

You can make jam without gelatine Ian, strawberry freezer jam delicious!

I always wondered why milk had a lumpy texture whenever I drank it.

If my milk is lumpy I don't use it. :D

Read my lips, milk is only for newborn calfs, not human consumpton.

That may or may not be true, are carrots only for rabbits :D

I don't drink anyways, I do use it though, it is said to be a food not beverage. Far too much juice and milk is consumed instead of water.

[stomach]

Oatley organic is the best No doubt made by some conglomerate

I use this, tastes really nice in the morning with some oats and a handful of nuts and dried fruit. mmmmm. :):):)

[tenzingnorgay]

Read my lips, milk is only for newborn calfs, not human consumpton. :rolleyes:

You have a lot of sharp posts in this forum. This is not one of them.

Milk is for anyone who can drink it, just like corn is for anyone who can grow it, and spirulina is for anyone who can harvest it. Any substance on earth that you can eat and extract nutrition from, is a good thing to put in your body. There is very little, if anything, better than raw milk.

[tenzingnorgay]

I really need a milk alternative that works well in cooking. Not something that will change consistency or taste foul when it's been heated.

I have really gone off milk and have put some of my family and friends off it too because I recently found out through one of the other forum threads that cows milk contains pus. I researched it on google and it is in fact true. Milk has to undergo tests to check that it contains the correct evels of pus otherwise it cannot be sold. It is absolutely disgusting and I have been put off it especially because it confirms just how badly a dairy cow is treated. Milked so often that it develops infections and mastitis but is still continuously milked afterwards. That is cruel and I certainly don't want to help fund the dairy industry. Another theory is that it is caused by growth hormones. If anybody cares for cows then they too would be seeking an alternative to milk.

I always wondered why milk had a lumpy texture whenever I drank it.

http://www.milksucks.com/pus.asp

http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/060524a.html

You might want to move beyond those garbage sites you are reading and educate yourself fully on this topic. Industrially produced pasteurized milk is not something you would ever want to put in your body, pus or not. But raw milk from grass fed cows is one of the healthiest and most nutritious foods you can put in your body.

You'll find more accurate information about nutrition on this site than anywhere else:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

[tenzingnorgay]

whats so bad about dairy, we are new to all this

Pasteurized and homogenized dairy from large industrial producers who feed their cows grain and pharmaceuticals is not a substance you should put in your body. It is hard to digest, not very nutritious and may contain toxic chemicals.

Raw milk from grass fed cows on the other hand is one of the best foods you can eat.

[pureheart]

Pasteurized and homogenized dairy from large industrial producers who feed their cows grain and pharmaceuticals is not a substance you should put in your body. It is hard to digest, not very nutritious and may contain toxic chemicals.

Raw milk from grass fed cows on the other hand is one of the best foods you can eat.

I have quite a severe allergy to dairy (migraines, colitis, asthma and eczema are the main symptoms). I have never tried raw milk though. Would it still cause the same reactions in someone so sensitive to casein/lactose?

Also, I believe milk is the most common cause of arthritis. Would raw milk be suitable for arthritis sufferers?

[tenzingnorgay]

I have quite a severe allergy to dairy (migraines, colitis, asthma and eczema are the main symptoms). I have never tried raw milk though. Would it still cause the same reactions in someone so sensitive to casein/lactose?

Also, I believe milk is the most common cause of arthritis. Would raw milk be suitable for arthritis sufferers?

Some people with dairy allergies can drink raw milk with no problem. Others with dairy allergies simply cannot eat raw dairy. If you decide to experiment, proceed with caution.

There are many different types of arthritis and some of the causes are unknown. I don't believe raw milk has ever been implicated in any type of arthritis.

[robbyblade]

The only milk you need is the milk from your Mother. After that, all you need is meat/fat/organs and fish. Preferably from grass-fed and wild caught creatures.

If I absolutely had to have it, I would get some heavy cream from organic grass-fed cows and mix it with a little water. You don't need or want the lactose.

[pacoquerak]

most whites, arabs and many africans all evolved to eat cow's milk
nearly every human in the world evolved to drink goats milk

they are a part of us
drinking milk fresh and raw is a lot better than drinking it pasturized or homogenized, but there are better ways still to consume it

raw cheese, kefir, butter, whey and clabbered milk are what I am after!!

[pacoquerak]

I have quite a severe allergy to dairy (migraines, colitis, asthma and eczema are the main symptoms). I have never tried raw milk though. Would it still cause the same reactions in someone so sensitive to casein/lactose?

Also, I believe milk is the most common cause of arthritis. Would raw milk be suitable for arthritis sufferers?

Goat's milk doesn't have any lactose

despite what others have said, goats milk is not bad tasting, though it gets a bit "goaty" the same way cows milk gets sour, it's almost the same, though you notice it sooner with goats milk and there is an extra kick to it

goats milk kefir doesn't seem to get goaty

some goats make goatier milk than others, I think it's true that Nigerian Dwarf goat milk is sweeter and creamier than any other commonly consumed milk, though I am not sure if it is, it is dang good though

Anyone should be able to drink cows milk if it is first fermented properly as with kefir

[pureheart]

Goat's milk doesn't have any lactose



Yes it does, but it easier to digest than the lactose in cow's milk.

"Although goat milk, like cow's milk and human milk, contains lactose, many people with lactose intolerance can drink goat milk. Why? It has been hypothesized that the reason lies in goat milk's superior digestibility. Goat milk is more completely and easily absorbed than cow's milk, leaving less undigested residue behind in the colon to quite literally ferment and cause the uncomfortable symptoms of lactose intolerance.

It may also be that the patient is not lactose intolerant at all, but instead is one of the 1-in-10 people who are allergic to the major protein of cow's milk ... alpha S1 casein protein. The symptoms are almost identical to those of lactose intolerance. Both goat milk and human milk lack this offending protein.

The digestibility of goat milk can be attributed to its casein curd, which is both softer and smaller than that produced by bovine milk. The smaller and softer the curd, the more easily accepted by the human digestive system.

Another significant difference between cow's milk and goat milk is found in the composition and structure of fat. The average size of goat milk fat globules is about two micrometers, as compared to 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 micrometers for cow's milk. These smaller sized fat globules provide a better dispersion and a more homogenous mixture of fat in the milk, another factor in making goat milk easier to digest.

Goat milk contains more of the essential fatty acids (linoleic and arachidonic acids) and a higher proportion of short-chain and medium-chain fatty acids than cow's milk. The fat in goat milk may be more readily digested and absorbed than cow milk because lipases attack ester linkages of such fatty acids more readily than those of longer chains. And, unlike cow's milk, goat milk does not contain agglutinin; as a result, the fat globules in goat milk do not cluster, which helps facilitate digestion and absorption."

http://www.chiroweb.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=38646

[ozpixie]

I stopped consuming milk and other dairy over 2 years ago. Of course there is the odd occasion when it is added to food by others. What I do miss eatting is lime marmalade on toast. I've not eatten jam etc in about 3 years now. Oh strawberry jam with double cream on a scone takes me back to holidays in Devon as a child. Also I miss milkshakes a lot. Not been able to figure out a substitute for them yet. Oh trifles and custurd are also off of the list of food I eat now.

Ian, I have been making jam and marmalade for years and never had a dud batch. The only thing that goes into it is the fruit and the sugar. In fact it's very important to never have any water in the pan before you start and the fruit must be dry. Equal weight of fruit (cut appropriately) and sugar. Leave to stand overnight with a cover over it and then begin to cook raising the temp slowly so it won't burn. Keep cooking and stirring and after an hour or so, just drop a little on a cold saucer. When it congeals it's ready. Jar and seal. If you use this method you can just make one or two jars full. No need to make a bucketful that will go off before you eat it.

[supertzar]

tenzingnorgay knows what he is talking about. Raw milk rules!

[millhouse]

Organic Rice milk tastes good ,used to drink loads of cow piss ,i'm sure thats what gave me asthma!

[supertzar]

Organic Rice milk tastes good ,used to drink loads of cow piss ,i'm sure thats what gave me asthma!

You are supposed to milk the females, millhouse. I think you had the wrong body part.