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libertad101
26-06-2009, 12:57 AM
...Much more important news is being hdden with his death:

Obama pushes for passage of global warming legislation


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090625/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_climate_bill

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama pushed urgently Thursday for passage of legislation to confront global warming, billing it as a job-creating machine rather than the costly "job killer" Republicans denounced. He telephoned wavering Democrats on the eve of what could be a historic House vote.

Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, Obama said Washington must not miss the opportunity to work on cleaning the air, creating new "green" energy jobs and moving the nation away from its reliance on fossil fuels such as oil, coal and natural gas.

The White House appeared concerned that momentum for the bill was slipping, though White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said that when it came time for a House showdown, "I'd bet on the president."

Democratic leaders scurried to line up enough votes to get the bill passed. They enlisted former Vice President Al Gore, the country's most prominent voice on the urgency of addressing climate change, to make phone calls to wary lawmakers — including some who believe the House bill was too weak rather than too strong.

House Republicans for weeks have maintained a drumbeat against the legislation, calling it a massive energy tax on every American and a "job killer" because it will force higher prices on electricity, gasoline and other energy sources as the economy shifts from cheaper fossil fuels, or as companies and utilities are forced to buy pollution allowances.

Obama as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., sought to counter that argument.

"This is going to be a close vote because of misinformation out there that there's somehow a contradiction between clean energy and economic growth," said Obama. Rather than emphasizing any impact on pollution or global warming, he called the House legislation "a jobs bill" that will lead to the creation of new industries and "finally make clean energy a profitable kind of energy."

"It will create millions of new jobs," echoed Pelosi at a Capitol Hill press conference.

By late Thursday it was still unclear whether Pelosi, who has been courting moderate Republicans as well as fellow Democrats in the search for votes, has the 218 lawmakers she needs to get the bill passed. It was widely expected that if she was not certain of having a majority, she would not proceed with a vote Friday.

Meanwhile, 241 proposed amendments — most by Republicans seeking to scuttle the bill — were submitted for consideration, although most likely will be rejected by the House Rules Committee working into the evening Thursday. Exchanges before the panel provided a hint of the tone of the upcoming floor debate.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., one of the chief sponsors of the bill, told the committee the bill "takes a balanced approach" and is supported by many in industry as well as environmentalists.

"It would radically change America as we know it," countered Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas. "It would mean the elimination of all fossil fuels used in America by the year 2050."

The Senate, meanwhile, was waiting for the House to act. Approval of a climate bill in the Senate has been viewed as a long shot because it would require 60 votes to overcome a certain filibuster. And that has made a decision by some House Democrats to vote for the politically charged bill even harder since final passage is so much in doubt.

The legislation would require the country to reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions that can lead to climate change — by 17 percent by 2020 and about 80 percent by the next century. To do that, electricity producers and industrial plants would have to make a dramatic shift away from the use of fossil fuels through increased efficiency, move toward greater use of renewable energy or pay for ways to capture carbon emissions.

Democrats have sought to limit the economic impact with provisions that would make available pollution allowances to utilities and energy-intensive industries, and protect low-income consumers from higher energy costs by providing them rebates and credits.

But some Democratic lawmakers, from regions where utilities and factories rely heavily on coal, remain worried about higher energy prices and the impact that might have on voters.

Still other Democrats complain the bill has been watered down too much with concessions to garner broader support. Gore was said to be making calls from his home in Tennessee to shore up support among those lawmakers as well as others still on the fence.

Gibbs said Obama was calling lawmakers, too, although he declined to give any names. Carol Browner, the White House coordinator on energy and climate, also was on the phone to Capitol Hill as was chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel.

Lobbying on both sides of the issue intensified this week as Pelosi said she wanted a bill finished before lawmakers left for the July 4 holiday recess.

While most environmental groups as well as a number of business organizations and corporations have endorsed the bill, other industry groups, including the American Petroleum Institute and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have called for its defeat. Despite the concession to farmers, the American Farm Bureau Federation said Wednesday it remains opposed, calling the bill "seriously flawed."

"What we see is a job killer. ... There's no question that cap and trade will cost millions of jobs," said House GOP Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia, seeking to rally opposition to the bill. "There's no question the cap-and-trade will cost millions of jobs" and higher energy prices.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll said three-quarters of Americans think the federal government should regulate the release of greenhouse gases, and 56 percent say they would approve such measures even if it increased their monthly electricity costs by $10.

skaarlaw
26-06-2009, 01:40 AM
Discussion of as to why it may be hidden ensues:

Personally I had a quick idea that the media are testing us, to see how easily influenced us as a race are. Due to the heavy reliability on social networking sites and communication running through services, it could be quite easy to track key words/phrases and analyze the media's effectiveness on "reporting" (convincing) news stories to the public.

Feel free to carry on, as long as you think. ^_^

libertad101
26-06-2009, 01:45 AM
Discussion of as to why it may be hidden ensues:

Personally I had a quick idea that the media are testing us, to see how easily influenced us as a race are. Due to the heavy reliability on social networking sites and communication running through services, it could be quite easy to track key words/phrases and analyze the media's effectiveness on "reporting" (convincing) news stories to the public.

Feel free to carry on, as long as you think. ^_^

That is not an idea. That is what they are doing, and have been doing for a long time now!

goanna
26-06-2009, 01:46 AM
i agree. media does push stories to cover other more significant ones.....reinhardt coined it "a morality play".

usually these things break to cover legislation, corporate and political crime, money laundering.

i dont believe they killed jacko, its just opportunism...








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celtic isis
26-06-2009, 01:48 AM
heard something briefly about this on french news, hubs was telling me about it but i actually zoned out lol :o i have to wait until he wakes up now to fill me in so i can let you know if it's the same news or not, i know France is passing some bill too for climate change..

cheers for posting libertad!

metaphor
26-06-2009, 01:52 AM
i agree. media does push stories to cover other more significant ones.....reinhardt coined it "a morality play".

usually these things break to cover legislation, corporate and political crime, money laundering.

i dont believe they killed jacko, its just opportunism...

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Youre very right about this. Don´t know yet if this is the only thing they´ll pull. More shite could be on its way as they probably have been waiting for the right opportunity.

MODERATORS! THIS THREAD SHOULD BE A STICKY.
Hopefully people will realise that there is more to do than to give energy to the negs.

libertad101
26-06-2009, 02:09 AM
Just another way to tax the hell outta us...there is no way i'm going to allow my young one's to grow up in this sh- hole, pardon my language..

guuna
26-06-2009, 03:01 AM
I think that there is gonna be a serious lack of anything else in the news besides Mj for the next week or so.

Ideal time to bury 'bad new'.

libertad101
26-06-2009, 03:24 AM
I think that there is gonna be a serious lack of anything else in the news besides Mj for the next week or so.

Ideal time to bury 'bad new'.

Yup, just like they did with the California wildfires, overlapping the acts passed by Bush, remember?

libertad101
26-06-2009, 03:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOuXyfKH_Ik

rhydra
26-06-2009, 03:26 PM
Also Brown's £60 billion annual fund for developing countries to help them deal with climate change, like build their presidential palaces on higher ground.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8120432.stm

Prime Minister Gordon Brown wants to set up a £60bn annual fund to help poor countries deal with climate change.

He hopes it will break the deadlock over who will pay developing nations to adapt to the changing climate and who will help them obtain clean technology.

Countries must reach a binding global agreement on carbon emission cuts at December's Copenhagen summit, he said.

The summit is seen as the last chance to negotiate a successor to the Kyoto agreement, which expires in 2012.

Environment and anti-poverty campaigners welcomed Mr Brown's remarks but said he and other leaders must deliver real financial support not merely "empty rhetoric"

freedom_thoughts
26-06-2009, 11:55 PM
Although I am saddened by the death of any human being, especially one so talented as MJ used to be, it seems a bit fishy that Jackson dies and the day after the US senate/government are pushing through the Green/Carbon Tax!!

How long before a big UK star dies and our own Green/Carbon Tax bill gets pushed through without us knowing?

CO2 is good for the planet and all plant life on it, CO2 is essential for us humans to survive FFS ... increase CO2 don't decrease it!!!!

http://www.ilovecarbondioxide.com/
http://www.climaterealists.com/index.php

makeithappen
27-06-2009, 12:00 AM
look out for Jackos climate change song that will be out in the next 24 hours. Deepak Chopra has supposedly been sent a copy 2 days ago and has given it to the US breakfast TV and some radio stations to play in the next 24 hours.

No idea what to make of this all..... MIH

phemohilia
27-06-2009, 12:00 AM
Can you say smokescreen???

mind1universe
27-06-2009, 12:04 AM
His death was provoked there is no doubt about it.


It seems the illuminati will do whatever ever it takes to survive, but they dont realise the ego is killing THEM off.

How MANY TIMES do I "HAVE" to tell you, you are me, so will you just get on with the way of the universe, and stop fighting it.


This has gone on for far too long, you keep pushing it this time, and every soul of the illuminati will remained trapped for eternity.

libertad101
27-06-2009, 03:23 AM
They do not realize this due to their binding with the deceiver himself; Lucifer.

secondsun
27-06-2009, 07:18 AM
...you could say it sounds a bit like MJ!?!

Where We Going To Go (Global Warming / Climate Change Song) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax6O1Xun7cI)

freedom_thoughts
27-06-2009, 08:29 AM
The thing I don't understand is why there are so many people crying and bawling as if it was their mother/father or partner that had died.

Yes he was a decent entertainer years back but thats it, he hasn't saved millions of lifes or infact done anything of real note in his life as far as I can tell, so really, all those emotions for this guy?

To me it kinda shows how emotionally unstable so many people really are.

and justice for all
27-06-2009, 02:18 PM
MODERATORS! THIS THREAD SHOULD BE A STICKY.
Hopefully people will realise that there is more to do than to give energy to the negs.

Agreed!

and justice for all
27-06-2009, 02:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOuXyfKH_Ik

Great clip. I can't stand 'controlled opposition' Beck, but Peter Schiff is spot on, as usual.

libertad101
27-06-2009, 03:52 PM
One thing I wouldn't be surprised in, is if there is a relative spike in people being recruited by the militia right about now.

largejack
27-06-2009, 05:00 PM
The Washington ABC poll insists that 3/4 of Americans think the release of Greenhouse gases should be curbed, and 56% would be prepared to see $10 on their electricity bills for this to happen.

Do you think this poll can be trusted, I thought people were waking up to the CO2 scam ???

ryanhodgson
27-06-2009, 05:06 PM
The thing I don't understand is why there are so many people crying and bawling as if it was their mother/father or partner that had died.

Yes he was a decent entertainer years back but thats it, he hasn't saved millions of lifes or infact done anything of real note in his life as far as I can tell, so really, all those emotions for this guy?

To me it kinda shows how emotionally unstable so many people really are.

Now that I've been deprogrammed for a bit, I see that it's just absolute insanity how people act or go crazy around any athlete or entertainment star. It is definately a form of brain washing. The more you look around, the more you can see just what "they" have done to us.

libertad101
28-06-2009, 12:46 AM
bump this is IMPORTANT!

lizzy
28-06-2009, 01:18 AM
The Washington ABC poll insists that 3/4 of Americans think the release of Greenhouse gases should be curbed, and 56% would be prepared to see $10 on their electricity bills for this to happen.

Do you think this poll can be trusted, I thought people were waking up to the CO2 scam ???

yup, .the brainwashing has worked.......wait till they see what this bill is really going to cost them.......and that more jobs will be lost to it than found.

anyuser
28-06-2009, 10:20 AM
News sites swamped following Michael Jackson's death

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10273325-93.html

It turns out many of the Internet's top news sites fared better at handling the glut of traffic following the death of singer Michael Jackson than previously thought.

Keynote Systems, a company that tracks site performance, said Friday that it erred in measuring performance for news sites and issued incorrect information Thursday evening.

Dan Berkowitz, Keynote's spokesman, said the most important thing was to correct the record about ABCNews.com, which he said delivered pages to visitors close to normally during the hour-long traffic spike following Jackson's death. He added that the company is still studying the causes of the error. A representative for Disney, which owns ABC, said the company saw "no dips in performance" as a result of the traffic glut.

Remember how the governments & army and stuff were getting into hacking and then all the twitter Iranian destabilization agenda with all the twitter messages originating from another country (Israel sry). Perhapse this is the same thing here which is an attack on the net but using different methods. Remember the bill also that is Co2 bill. They don't want people knowing about it. Brainwashing for the masses this is. Why else would they want twitter, lots of search engines, news websites, etc slowed down or shut down and if (really) everyone is searching for mj or so it seems. Propaganda is really in high gear.

Jackson dies, almost takes Internet with him

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/michael.jackson.internet/index.html?eref=rss_us

Twitter crashed as users saw multiple "fail whales" -- the illustrations the site uses as error messages -- user FoieGrasie posting, "Irony: The protesters in Iran using Twitter as com are unable to get online because of all the posts of 'Michael Jackson RIP.' Well done." The site's status blog said that Twitter had had to temporarily disable its search results, saved searches and trend topics.

They should have used p2p programs such as some listed at www.slyck.com. They are not easily shut down and are decentralized meaning no bottlenecks as to what Google, news websites, yahoo, and others were experiencing.

dawnismygoddess
28-06-2009, 10:29 AM
We gotta at least try to stop this is the Senate....

largejack
28-06-2009, 01:44 PM
Tell these people to read the 1500 page Bill before 2 July and there may yet be hope of it being overturned

http://www.infowars.com/cap-and-tr8tors-can-change-vote-by-july-2-deadline/