Icke vs Shayler, who is the real messiah?

[geewhizz]

answer: we all are, i know.

Hi,

Glastonbury Symposium - Sunday July 29th - 9.30pm

Let it be recorded that the time & date shown above is almost the exact moment Davis Shayler announced, to a stunned but largely sympathetic audience, that he is the new Messiah.

High on another stunning presentation from Ian Crane, the atmosphere in a packed Glastonbury Town Hall was pregnant with expectation as David Shayler was wired for sound. Already prepared for controversy by host Andy Thomas, nobody could have anticipated what was about to occur. An extremely tolerant and generally sympathetic audience sat in stunned silence as they endured an hour long narcissistic monologue during which a frail-looking David Shayler explained that he was not only the re-incarnation of the Christ but also the re-incarnation of King Arthur, Leonardo Da Vinci and a whole host of other historically significant characters. As the monologue progressed, it would have been obvious to any student of Stanislav Grof that Mr Shayler is in the middle of his very own 'Spiritual Emergency'! When David Shayler concluded his self-obsessed rant by standing centre stage with arms outstretched in mock crucifixion, the raptuous ovation which had followed Ian Crane's presentation was replaced by polite but nervous applause.

Surely David has friends or family who are capable of pointing out that he is not even the new David Icke, let alone the New Messiah! Listening in on numerous conversations in the pub after the event, the general reaction was one of sympathetic concern. It is very sad to see a man who has commanded tremendous respect for blowing the whistle on the British Intelligence Services for attempting to assassinate Col Gaddafi, descend into such blatant paranoid psychosis. If his claims of the numerous attempts on his life have any substance, it doesn't say much for the capabilities of Black Op's teams that he is still on this mortal coil ... but then David claims that he has 'raised his spiritual vibration' to such a level that he is invincible. I hope with all sincerity that this claim is not put to the test.

Although The Watcher is no great fan of the psychological community, it is abundantly clear that David Shayler is is need of help and support from people who understand the transpersonal process. It would also be highly advisable to encourage him to go through his transpersonal and spiritual awakening away from public scrutiny.

[geewhizz]

It just amazes me how profound a spiritual emergence or emergency is!. I can remember some cringeworthy and embarassing moments of my awakening and im SOOO glad im not in the public eye.

Its good to be looked upon as 'normal' from others but I know thats very far from the truth.

he he he

[revolutionary_jam]

no messiahs! We're all in this together and no person is more special then any other person! Elitism is very dark, do what you can to help yourself leave it behind!

[eternal_spirit]

Beware of those who come forward as “Ex-MI5, MI6, CIA, FBI, ex-Pentagon” and all the rest of it. Beware; because they all, regardless of the countries they live in, signed Official Secrets Acts, where they can't divulge ultimate truths to the general public.

Or has he got some info he want's to share, maybe drop us all some clues ?
Not many will give him any credit after hearing this story.:eek:

[kblood]

I wont believe anyone to be the real messiah unless they perform public miracles, and even that will have a hard time convincing me. I find it quite easy to do public displays of miracles, but I feel it is abusive in some way. Partly because having attention from others provides most the energy for performing these rituals, and Im not sure how that actually affects those around me short or long term.

[kooo]

Both of them are working for the other side.

[lifeofbrian]

Both of them are working for the other side.

And you are working for?

[lifeofbrian]

Icke vs Shayler, who is the real messiah?

There is something wrong with your question.

[kooo]

And you are working for?

No one, I'm unemployed :)

[lifeofbrian]

No one, I'm unemployed :)

Someone swayed your sympathies. Beliefs are like work. Obeying some authority.

What convinced you both are working for the other side?

[kooo]

Someone swayed your sympathies. Beliefs are like work. Obeying some authority.

What convinced you both are working for the other side?

Because both of them have been got at by the brainwashers. Too drunk to elaborate will get back to you in the morning. My spelling is only good because I've Microsoft Worded it.

:cool:

[paolo]

Beware the Shayler believes himself Messiah message
There is something inherently wrong with it, and it should be ignored at this time
Until we get a transcript or recording this shouldn't be taken as face value
The last time I spoke to David he was completely compus mentis or whatever it is, and it doesn't matter a fuck what Ian Crane or anyone else says about him
He hasn't gone of the rails, but just can't lie about his own truth
The same hole Icke found himself in all those years ago

[2013]

according to various belief systems the second coming is not an individual but a christ consciousness manifesting in all of us .This mass awakening to who we really are could be the reason that some people when they got thru their own awakening proclaim themselves to be christ buddah whoever . Being in the public eye just serves to draw attention and /or ridicule to themselves.Im sure lots of psychiatric departments have their fair share of messiahs not to mention those of us who feel it but dont publicly state it , and who are we to say they are wrong :D

[cruise4]

As these people are expected to stand at Armageddon and face the entire army of the antichrist... I'd stay quiet.

This is the 4th time I've seen someone claim this.

[lifeofbrian]

Icke vs Shayler, who is the real messiah?

There is something wrong with your question.

Again; there is something wrong with the question.

Look at the root of it. Where does the idea of "a Messiah" come from?

Wake up.

[cruise4]

Paolo thats the most sensible post on this issue I've seen!

[paolo]

Paolo thats the most sensible post on this issue I've seen!
Cheers It doesn't really matter to all whether Shayler is slam-dunking himself at the moment
If he believes himself the messiah of the varuous quarts
Then so be it
I don't seriously believe he does, but Yo David, reveal yourself

[titurel]

Beware the Shayler believes himself Messiah message
There is something inherently wrong with it, and it should be ignored at this time
Until we get a transcript or recording this shouldn't be taken as face value
The last time I spoke to David he was completely compus mentis or whatever it is, and it doesn't matter a fuck what Ian Crane or anyone else says about him
He hasn't gone of the rails, but just can't lie about his own truth
The same hole Icke found himself in all those years ago
See this thread for up to date information on this news:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=83246

I'm surprised a link hasn't already been given in this thread...

[auron]

He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy! :D

[kblood]

according to various belief systems the second coming is not an individual but a christ consciousness manifesting in all of us .This mass awakening to who we really are could be the reason that some people when they got thru their own awakening proclaim themselves to be christ buddah whoever . Being in the public eye just serves to draw attention and /or ridicule to themselves.Im sure lots of psychiatric departments have their fair share of messiahs not to mention those of us who feel it but dont publicly state it , and who are we to say they are wrong :D

I believe this as well. I have wondered if I was the messiah myself. Several people seem to become aware of our hidden gifts. At least I at some points believed that we all were possible messiahs, and for some periods I believed me to be the one. But it really makes you go out of your mind, and so I tried to unconvince myself of this "truth". For now I this global awakening seems most likely to me :) And it saves me the trip to a psych ward :D Hmm, the time is 5 am here, so I better get to bed.

[notaslave]

I'm not sure whether to believe Shayler as he says things like Col Gadaffi's 2 yr old child was killed. When other reports suggest it was not Gadaffi's child but a child he adopted after the child died., ie posthumously.

Also he talks of Al Queda (spelling?) as though it were an existing terrorist organisation when Robin Cook revealed that it was no more than a database. (Shortly before his suspicious death up a mountain in clear weather and Cooky himself sent a text message saying the weather was foul)

[kblood]

For me it was already at the age of 15 that I had to ask myself the question wether or not I could be the messiah, or to be more exact Jesus. To me there seems to have been several messiahs, which David Icke also believes is at least what history shows, wether you believe the history we have been told or not.
At that time I hadnt really had any experiences that where definately out of the ordinary. But I began thinking about wether or not this Jesus was so special and wether or not he was just a normal enlightneded human, that proved some good points in his lifetime. At first I believed believed that we actually all were or at least had the potential to be like jesus or any of the other messiahs, later though and after some rather far out experienced I have begun to doubt that. Especially with other people believing me to be, but that is hopefully just one of my minds tricks on me.

I dont know much about the other guy, but when I saw a show about David Icke and his life as a "prophet" like person, and the things he has gone through to get where he is now. The show called "David Icke, Was he right?". In that show he watched a show with himself in it where he is being riddiculed. He obviously had gotten very hurt to have been laughed at after trying to tell them all about his discoveries. When he told how he felt like he was the messiah I saw myself in him at the time when I was beginning my awakening. In fact, when was his awakening? It have been thinking it was before mine, but maybe some cosmic event set the awakening going?

With where many of the new series are going with their themes and what they are about, it seems it is something many can relate to. Otherwise, why all the stuff about super humans these days? TV, movies and so on, try to show people what they want to see, so it tells us something about what we want when we see what shows are shown.

Anyhow, anyone who can put a date or at least a year on when David Ickes awakening began? Might have been mentioned at some point in his releases. The awakening probably begins before we are even born, but might have been some point where he began focusing on it.

[moonoodoo]

Perhaps it's just a David Thing ;)

[john white]

Because both of them have been got at by the brainwashers. Too drunk to elaborate will get back to you in the morning. My spelling is only good because I've Microsoft Worded it.

:cool:

another Jehovah's Witness speaks

[intuition]

One word...........money! He obviously sees how much money all this new age b*llshit is making for alot of people and all this 2012 crap so hes jumping on the bandwagon.

[drhemp]

One word...........money! He obviously sees how much money all this new age b*llshit is making for alot of people and all this 2012 crap so hes jumping on the bandwagon.

I know David Shayler and I'm afraid he hasn't got 2 pennies to rub together.

A shame he went public with this spiritual revalation, before understanding it. Myself and many of his close friends begged him not to do it, but he went ahead anyway, and now he's reaping the rewards. He did an interview with Radio 5 the other day and apparently was most miffed when all the interviewer did was take the piss out of him. Well he's not a very good Messiah if he didn't see that one coming.

Anyway, Messiah just means messanger and the message is that 911 and 77 were inside jobs and we have a fascist government, I fear Shayler's recent public revelations will only cloud that message.

I've been searching google, and there have been some very harsh and unpleasant things written about David in the media and on web forums, which he has only himself to blame, but those fo us who knew Dave before he became ill know he is essentially a decent human being and for most of the last 10 years has been a huge thorn in the side of the Establishment, which makes it even more of a shame that his reputation is now in tatters and he is seen as an international laughing stock.

[mk72]

I agree with Paolo - I want to see it myself before I jump to my own conclusion. I don't really know much about him, but we know we can't laugh at the man before we know the whole story. If I was the type to roll around laughing at this I would not be on here and be reading CCN news:eek:, we know things are not black and white.

[edelweiss pirate]

For me it was already at the age of 15 that I had to ask myself the question wether or not I could be the messiah, or to be more exact Jesus. To me there seems to have been several messiahs, which David Icke also believes is at least what history shows, wether you believe the history we have been told or not.

With where many of the new series are going with their themes and what they are about, it seems it is something many can relate to. Otherwise, why all the stuff about super humans these days? TV, movies and so on, try to show people what they want to see, so it tells us something about what we want when we see what shows are shown.

Spot on Kblood, there is definitely a new potential stirring in human consciousness... fortunately these days we don't risk being burned at the stake, however there is a risk of being certified and force medicated...

That said, there is infinite power up for grabs to those who can believe it. You sound quite open minded, maybe you'll be one of the new breed of heros.

The TV and movies also seem to be pushing the message, X-Men, Dr Who (remember Rose's Enlightenment?) and Heroes.... The stronger and clearer the message becomes and the more faith we have in our own limitless potential the more we will see the world moving to the rhythm of our own hopes.