A "Bin Room" or "void forum" could really work!

[societyisthematrix]

IMHO, a "void forum" or "Bin Room" where threads that get out of hand could be moved to rather than closed could really work here. Here's my proposal:

The "void forum" would be like prison in the real life, if you're deemed unfit for the rest of society you're sent to prison, right? Well, the "void forum" would be like prison for posters and threads that are deemed unfit for the rest of the forum. Just like in real life, you don't go see the people who are in prison unless you really want to and the "void forum" would be exactly like that too. You won't see the "void forum" threads unless you really want to see them.

People who are banned could still be allowed to post in the void forum because everyone would know that only garbage goes to the void forum. I think that would remove the fascist label that the official forum is getting.

It would work for everyone, it wouldn't exclude anyone, it would be less work for the mods (people with questionable content would know to go DIRECTLY to the "void forum", meaning that the mods would have far less work to do), most importantly this concept would be far more in line with Icke's teachings and theories than the fascist system that's in place now, IMHO.

I've seen this work on two forums, both for rock bands. In one case they called the forum "post whoring forum", a place where people could post anything just to raise their post count, chat, or anything they wanted. In the other case, the forum was called "the void", and topics that were deemed unworthy in other forums were sent to the "the void." I've seen this idea work and I'm 100% for it!

[sean]

I like the idea, but will need to take the time to ponder on it. I don't really like the idea of there being a "prison" room for people who have been caught trolling, as that emphasises a heirarchy and suggests a class system.

However, I agree, If we can allow people who want to ruin it for everyone else to post without disrupting everyone else then we should.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll seriously have a think about it.

[rachel88]

I've seen this idea work and I'm 100% for it!

the idea sounds reasonable!

[societyisthematrix]

I like the idea, but will need to take the time to ponder on it. I don't really like the idea of there being a "prison" room for people who have been caught trolling, as that emphasises a heirarchy and suggests a class system.

However, I agree, If we can allow people who want to ruin it for everyone else to post without disrupting everyone else then we should.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll seriously have a think about it.

Thank you. :cool:

[drgonzo]

This is a good idea, I suggested something similiar awhile back. Something like an off-topic forum. Just move all the shitty threads there. Letting banned people post there? Seems like a good idea... they'd probably start a load of "NAZI MODS" "OMG FREE SPEACH ZONE? FACISTS!!" "I HAATE YUU!" threads, but hey, atleast it's free speech.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Wait a tick...


Do we really need a "prison" here?

I mean, come on. I thought that's something that people don't really need? It's only there to fill the fat-cats pockets with our tax money?

[thirdwave]

yeah rant room or an abuse room.... let people beat eachother up in it and get it out of their system....

[john white]

This is a good idea, I suggested something similiar awhile back. Something like an off-topic forum. Just move all the shitty threads there. Letting banned people post there? Seems like a good idea... they'd probably start a load of "NAZI MODS" "OMG FREE SPEACH ZONE? FACISTS!!" "I HAATE YUU!" threads, but hey, atleast it's free speech.

In some ways a Bin Room (as we call it at Illusions) makes life easier: the trolls can post whatever they like, but only people who choose to see it have to. Troll posts can swiftly be split off threads and dumped in the bin. Mods can move stuff pending a decision and move it back if deemed ok after review. No-one can whine about being banned. It has its limits: some trolls can become extra sick-in-the-head and become even more extreme. Its also a vital component of a Bin Room that edit function is disabled: once its in the Bin, it stays in the Bin, and no playing silly buggers with word games to blur the issues: but if nothing else, a bin Room will quickly show who the real serious disruptors are, as opposed to the "have a laugh" crowd

Oh, and flowers and air freshner are always essential peices of eqipment for the bin!

[thirdwave]

In some ways a Bin Room (as we call it at Illusions) makes life easier: the trolls can post whatever they like, but only people who choose to see it have to. Troll posts can swiftly be split off threads and dumped in the bin. Mods can move stuff pending a decision and move it back if deemed ok after review. No-one can whine about being banned. It has its limits: some trolls can become extra sick-in-the-head and become even more extreme. Its also a vital component of a Bin Room that edit function is disabled: once its in the Bin, it stays in the Bin, and no playing silly buggers with word games to blur the issues: but if nothing else, a bin Room will quickly show who the real serious disruptors are, as opposed to the "have a laugh" crowd

Oh, and flowers and air freshner are always essential pieces of equipment for the bin!

yeah allot of trolls like to make out they are just having a laugh, but when something and somone is always the focus point of those laughs then i t loses the comedy value...

[ennui]

Just to put another perspective on this....

We considered doing this on another forum but decided against it in the end. At the time there were a lot of petty arguments going on and it seemed like the easy option. Let's just stick all the trouble-makers in their own forum and forget about them. Trouble is that creates an underclass who see it as a challenge to get put in the naughty forum and rage against 'authority'.

Instead we decided to enforce the rules. You may argue that that's fascist, but the rules were reasonable (similar to here) and don't stop anyone having freedom of speech, but do stop people trolling/flaming/bashing.

Now, peace reigns (mostly!) so I think we made the right decision. The members know what is expected of them and what to expect if they decide to be a pain in the backside.

[jimijams]

yeah allot of trolls like to make out they are just having a laugh, but when something and somone is always the focus point of those laughs then i t loses the comedy value...
This is true and I like SITM's idea because I don't like to see any threads deleted no matter how distasteful, just throw them in the bin for the interested parties to sort out, without an audience to perform to they will quickly tire..

[john white]

To be fair, your hardcore troll gets angry when put in the Bin: like the recently banned "tonto is a faggot", hes stared at the walls of the Illusions bin plenty of times: but at least the focus of derision flows in the directon it should flow: onto the troll, not from the troll. But then your hardcore troll gets angry very easily: trolls are very angry people, even if they do fake up a "cool" exterior: underneath, Ive never seen one that wasnt seething

[jimijams]

but at least the focus of derision flows in the directon it should flow: onto the troll, not from the troll.
Maybe our attention should be better focused elsewhere instead of deriding anybody..

[oneofmany]

If it stops the bannings, I'm all for it. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and the "void" would be perfect for de-Bunkers and non-believers, and let people like me get an overall view about how everybody that posts here feels about everything.
Don't you find it boring, everybody agreeing with you.
Diversity is the spice of life, live with it :cool:

[john white]

Maybe our attention should be better focused elsewhere instead of deriding anybody..

Trolls want attention: one should be mindful of what one seeks to attract!

Of course there are far better things to do than deride anyone: but when an ego wants to run across a forum shouting "COCKS WILLIES FANNIES CUNTS POO!" or some equivalent, gets put in a pen, and adults look in and go "well your an idiot", its more of a favour than a form of abuse.

[lappitypup]

Looks like everyone is well aware about prisons and quite happy to comply. Better be nice and bland, better not say anything annoying, disruptive or different. I have never quite understood why someone who posts something can 'spoil' it for everyone. I have a scroll button.

[trinity1]

Where'd my posts go???

:mad:

[john white]

Looks like everyone is well aware about prisons and quite happy to comply. Better be nice and bland, better not say anything annoying, disruptive or different. I have never quite understood why someone who posts something can 'spoil' it for everyone. I have a scroll button.

Well if you think its kinder to just be banned, I can't see that presenting any moderator with a moral quandry :)

[jimijams]

Where'd my posts go???

:mad:
Memory hole is my guess, now how many fingers am I holding up?

[cosmonaut]

Where'd my posts go???

:mad:


lol ffs


Maybe there should be guidelines for moderators?

[curthen]

:eek: :( :mad:
dont ask questions.
remember....PM

[lappitypup]

Well if you think its kinder to just be banned, I can't see that presenting any moderator with a moral quandry :)

I'd prefer it if people didn't want to be affected by it, feel it spoils etc then they didn't. It's not as if we are a slave to them, is it?

[jimijams]

:eek: :( :mad:
dont ask questions.
remember....PM
Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you see it the type of poster attracted to a forum such as this is inclined to asking questions, thats our nature and if those questions are uncomfortable to some then thats their business..

It's no wonder David Icke doesn't post, he could never tolerate such hypocrisy..

[john white]

I'd prefer it if people didn't want to be affected by it, feel it spoils etc then they didn't. It's not as if we are a slave to them, is it?

If I park a muck spreader outside the open windows to your living room with beautiful cream furniture and soft white carpets, turn it on and spray half a tonne of prime muck right across your personal space, would you feel affected by it? Would you prefer to sit in the stench, "prefering" not to to take any notice? Or might you consider me to be an unreasonable man with my rogue farm equipement? Foolish argument. A good parent doesnt let their kids go wild running amok becuase they love them: neither should a good admin let trolls define what a forum is about

but of course, you already know this

[trinity1]

Memory hole is my guess, now how many fingers am I holding up?

Twelvty?

[cosmonaut]

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you see it the type of poster attracted to a forum such as this is inclined to asking questions, thats our nature




right on

[cosmonaut]

If I park a muck spreader outside the open windows to your living room with beautiful cream furniture and soft white carpets, turn it on and spray half a tonne of prime muck right across your personal space, would you feel affected by it? Would you prefer to sit in the stench, "prefering" not to to take any notice? Or might you consider me to be an unreasonable man with my rogue farm equipement? Foolish argument. A good parent doesnt let their kids go wild running amok becuase they love them: neither should a good admin let trolls define what a forum is about

but of course, you already know this

John White, you are one of the biggest gatekeepers in the forum business, but you are already in part aware of that. You come across as being fair and honest, that is your show, the decoy, but the facts actually are that you are very manipulative and controlling.

I can see it as I have it in me too.

[john white]

John White, you are one of the biggest gatekeepers in the forum business, but you are already in part aware of that. You come across as being fair and honest, that is your the decoy, but the facts actually are that you are very manipulative.

pm me if you want to know who I am

Yes cosmonaut: now if you would like to explain how I am able to manipulate and control you?

I've heard that comment so many times but no-one ever seems able to explain that bit. I have my say: you have yours. Could it be that its not really me with an interest in control?

And regardless of your perceptions, I remain, as always, me

[jimijams]

I've heard that comment so many times
That should tell you something don't you think?

[curthen]

I have a wager on that this will be locked down or moved before it gets to page 7.
Boring, Thread Locked:rolleyes:

[cosmonaut]

I made a post edit above at the same time you posted a response, i'm sure you've seen it by now.


Yes cosmonaut: now if you would like to explain how I am able to manipulate and control you?

You cant, but its in your nature to do so with people in general and you know it, but you cant always help it, it's of course part of your conditioning. And so it seems is the tendancy to cover it up by lying about how honest and fair you are as a person.

[john white]

That should tell you something don't you think?

Yes, that those who whine about freedom of speech the loudest usually are the furthest from understanding what it is

[john white]

I made a post edit above at the same time you posted a response, i'm sure you've seen it by now.




You cant, but its in your nature to do so with people in general and you know it, but you cant always help it, it's of course part of your conditioning. And so it seems is the tendancy to cover it up by lying about how honest and fair you are as a person.

So I cant, but I'm conditioned, and dishonest, and you know this by special powers?

Ok, fine by me. Seems like your worrying yourself about nothing if I can't actually do any of things I apparently do, according to you. I must be a very sad and delusional man, and its obviously wisest for you to be compassionate and put me from your mind. If you dont mind terribly, i'll just get on with making posts on a discussion forum in order to have discussions: it is, after all what I'm here for: and I will leave concern about agendas to those who concern themselves with them

[jimijams]

Yes, that those who whine about freedom of speech the loudest usually are the furthest from understanding what it is
No, it should tell you there is possibly some validity to the claim..

[john white]

No, it should tell you there is possibly some validity to the claim..

Do you also feel controled and manipulated by me then? If not, how do you know the claims are "possibly valid"?

[teslafire]

I can see it as I have it in me too.

That's a brilliant and humbling statement.

That said, perhaps you guys can carry on in private, as this is all turning exclusive and personal.

[cosmonaut]

i'm sorry John, should have kept my mouth shut.

no hard feelins eh?

[john white]

i'm sorry John, should have kept my mouth shut.

no hard feelins eh?

Absolutley. Being at this forum feels like being home again: I've no hard feeling for anyone here, and no intention of creating any

[teslafire]

Though if we entertained 'the dark side of the moon' room you both could drunkenly cuss each other out till you've fallen exhausted on one another's laps.

[jimijams]

Do you also feel controled and manipulated by me then? If not, how do you know the claims are "possibly valid"?
Not at all, but obviously some do..

[john white]

Well there's "Anger Managment" at Illusions which is always open for a cathartic slap-about, though I tend to prefer sending little polygonal people to certain death in order to conqour entire worlds in my name.... the polygonal people dont mind and its kinder on the environment than a real Blitzkrieg assault

[cosmonaut]

That may be a silly thing for any of us to do Tesla. This small instance has nothing to do with people cussing mindlessly at one another, as far as I can see anyway.

[john white]

Not at all, but obviously some do..

Well its a question for them then that we shan't resolve between us tonight. On to more interesting things.....

[jimijams]

Well there's "Anger Managment" at Illusions which is always open for a cathartic slap-about, though I tend to prefer sending little polygonal people to certain death in order to conqour entire worlds in my name.... the polygonal people dont mind and its kinder on the environment than a real Blitzkrieg assault
Let me run that through Babelfish and I'll get back to you..

[cosmonaut]

lol

[drgonzo]

Though if we entertained 'the dark side of the moon' room you both could drunkenly cuss each other out till you've fallen exhausted on one another's laps.

That would be a great name for the forum.

[oneofmany]

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you see it the type of poster attracted to a forum such as this is inclined to asking questions, thats our nature and if those questions are uncomfortable to some then thats their business..

It's no wonder David Icke doesn't post, he could never tolerate such hypocrisy..

Unfortunately, for us, well said Jimi

[drgonzo]

I don't see anybody that's uncomfortable with questions? It looks like some kind of evil moderator entity is being created here. Everything needs to be taken seperately on a case by case basis. That's the only way we'll ever find out if anybody actually was wronged. To blame everything on some all powerful admin authority is not going to solve anything but fuel a never ending, blood sucking debate that shall rot to the core of our very existance. "Who has wronged you and how?" is what must be asked. Then the situation can be truly observed and justice can be brought to the forefront, but this will never happen while we are mired in this endless onslaught of broad assumptions and general accusations. Specifics and details, exact documentable situations. That's what we need.

[trinity1]

The deleting and locking of huge swathes of the threads in general section shows otherwise.

[jimijams]

Specifics and details, exact documentable situations. That's what we need.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Trinity posted a specific and detailed PM documenting her infraction for supposedly hijacking threads whatever that means..

Maybe it would have been more appropriate to have dealt with that personally one to one with Sean but hey, we're all friends aren't we? We should have nothing to hide..:D

[drgonzo]

Are you talking about what happened in the "why green?" thread? I personally was not involved in that, nor have I had a chance to read all 11 pages of the thread, but I did read the infraction reports and if I may be so bold to speak, this is what I observed.

Trinity1 was not trolling and many of his points were valid, but there is one flaw. It was posted in a thread with a completely different topic. Now it's not my place to argue whether threads should adhere strictly to their original topic or not, that is up to those who created the forum, it is their personal choice. So if the rules say a thread needs to stay relevant to it's topic then all posts such as trinity1's will be removed regardless of content.

One would then logically argue that Trinity1 should then be allowed to voice his opinion's publically in it's own thread. This however spawns threads that are contrary to the general topic of the entire forum. This forum is meant to discuss external issues, not the silly e-drama going on in here. This general topic is set by those who run the forum, it is their choice. Just as you are free to start up your own forum and choose it's rules.

It is my sincere belief that the things Trinity1 was discussing took away from the forum. If Trinity1 discussed relevant issues in the correct thread there would be no problem in the first place. I don't know why you all choose to focus so intently on these matters. No one is denying that this forum is structured as a system. I can easily see how it mirrors the society we live in today, but this is how the game runs. There is nothing fundamentally wrong about a construct like this. It's just a toy like anything else.

Issues that are off topic to a thread and/or off topic to the entire forum should be deleted. If someone posted a 9/11 thread in the general forum what would be done? It would be removed from the general forum and placed into the 9/11 forum.

Now you ask: "But where am I to put this topic?". Well, that's what this thread is about, making a new forum to house those kind of things. Until that time it has been stated that these matters are to be handled by PM only. So that's how it's going to go.

So let's get back on topic. Should we just have one general forum for all this off topic stuff? Or perhaps a special forum to allow members to offer suggestions and constructive criticism?

Now is the time to voice your opinion.

[societyisthematrix]

Now you ask: "But where am I to put this topic?". Well, that's what this thread is about, making a new forum to house those kind of things. Until that time it has been stated that these matters are to be handled by PM only. So that's how it's going to go.

So let's get back on topic. Should we just have one general forum for all this off topic stuff? Or perhaps a special forum to allow members to offer suggestions and constructive criticism?

Now is the time to voice your opinion.

I think the "bin room", "dark side of the moon" forum where banned posters could still post and where out of hand threads could live on would be a breath of fresh air in this place and forever lift the nazi tag it's gotten. Since everyone seems to want it, by the law of attraction it should become a reality. :cool:

[jimijams]

Thank you for taking the time drgonzo to respond in such a detailed manner, you make some good points.

As far as your comment though that this forum is a system with rules reflected of the outside world, well I find that a bit sad to be honest and not in keeping in the spirit of David Ickes message and maybe needs re thinking.

In my experience on other forums threads occasionally go off topic, but rather than a moderator stepping in and deleting posts or giving infractions for 'hijacking' it's normally up to the poster that opened the thread, or other participants in the thread to pull someone up for going off topic, otherwise there's no real harm done. If these pleas are ignored then the moderator needs to step in to adjudicate..

Cooperation is key not black and white dictates, let us sort each other out in our own way we're all grown ups, well most of us anyway..:D

My intention in coming to this forum wasn't to disrupt or grandstand only to find a community of like minds to share information, to form debates to test my own belief system and occasionally have a laugh. I will though by nature push the other way if I feel my thoughts or actions are being controlled unjustly whether perceived or real and I hope you understand that..

All the best Jimi..

BTW Trinity is female not male..;)

[oneofmany]

Are you talking about what happened in the "why green?" thread? I personally was not involved in that, nor have I had a chance to read all 11 pages of the thread, but I did read the infraction reports and if I may be so bold to speak, this is what I observed.

Trinity1 was not trolling and many of his points were valid, but there is one flaw. It was posted in a thread with a completely different topic. Now it's not my place to argue whether threads should adhere strictly to their original topic or not, that is up to those who created the forum, it is their personal choice. So if the rules say a thread needs to stay relevant to it's topic then all posts such as trinity1's will be removed regardless of content.

One would then logically argue that Trinity1 should then be allowed to voice his opinion's publically in it's own thread. This however spawns threads that are contrary to the general topic of the entire forum. This forum is meant to discuss external issues, not the silly e-drama going on in here. This general topic is set by those who run the forum, it is their choice. Just as you are free to start up your own forum and choose it's rules.

It is my sincere belief that the things Trinity1 was discussing took away from the forum. If Trinity1 discussed relevant issues in the correct thread there would be no problem in the first place. I don't know why you all choose to focus so intently on these matters. No one is denying that this forum is structured as a system. I can easily see how it mirrors the society we live in today, but this is how the game runs. There is nothing fundamentally wrong about a construct like this. It's just a toy like anything else.

Issues that are off topic to a thread and/or off topic to the entire forum should be deleted. If someone posted a 9/11 thread in the general forum what would be done? It would be removed from the general forum and placed into the 9/11 forum.

Now you ask: "But where am I to put this topic?". Well, that's what this thread is about, making a new forum to house those kind of things. Until that time it has been stated that these matters are to be handled by PM only. So that's how it's going to go.

So let's get back on topic. Should we just have one general forum for all this off topic stuff? Or perhaps a special forum to allow members to offer suggestions and constructive criticism?

Now is the time to voice your opinion.

I beg to differ, im sorry, but houdini brought the question up in his first post. It definitely was not off topic.

[pollock]

Couldn't the rest of the net be the voidforum then?
If you can't behave with just a little dignity on this forum, you are welcome to post on any of the other forums you can find on the net! :rolleyes:

[societyisthematrix]

So let's get back on topic. Should we just have one general forum for all this off topic stuff? Or perhaps a special forum to allow members to offer suggestions and constructive criticism?

Now is the time to voice your opinion.

Thank you for giving us this chance. Democratic Vote Dark Side of the Moon Forum YES/NO. Please get your vote in now:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=761