John Lennon what a legend

[nosferatu_dj]

Working Class Hero - John Lennon - YouTube

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and class less and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me

[cheeney1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and class less and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me

Only in Your Own Mind, What do You Think Of Joko Ono Being a CIA Op
Being John Lennon's Handler :cool:

[nosferatu_dj]

Only in Your Own Mind, What do You Think Of Joko Ono Being a CIA Op
Being John Lennon's Handler :cool:

lol i never new of this before u said it.. i will have to have a look into it myself.

but that is not the point to this post, the point of it is, john lennons songs where VERY helpfull in the fight against the NWO... ok thre might be some that are not, but most of the mainstream ones that people know and remmember where all about fighting against the NWO.


like i have said in other posts, people only choose to see what they want to see,,, look at the subject on a hole, do not just take 1 thing and think thats all there is to it.

[nosferatu_dj]

As soon as you're born they make you feel small

By giving you no time instead of it all

Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school

They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool

Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years

Then they expect you to pick a career

When you can't really function you're so full of fear

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV

And you think you're so clever and class less and free

But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still

But first you must learn how to smile as you kill

If you want to be like the folks on the hill

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me


"if u want to be a hero then just follow me" "a working class hero is something to be" right there he is saying if u want to be like the NWO nazi scum. then just just do what this song says and u will be on ur way to being just like them.... BUT if u chose not to be a working class sheeple. then dont do these things and live ur own life... freedom is something that people tend to give up all to willingly.

[dancing_with_durga]

Only in Your Own Mind, What do You Think Of Joko Ono Being a CIA Op
Being John Lennon's Handler :cool:

Well, working on the basis that we can never be really sure what is true and what is disinfo...

I have read that the Beatles were a creation of British Intelligence, and that in the very early 60s they spent time at Tavistock House (Britain's centre for mind control) undergoing trauma-based mind control. It's possible this process started when they were children, as that would be the normal practise, although I have not seen that claimed anywhere. Also, particularly during the middle period, when they were touring constantly, a number of songs were bought and released as Lennon/McCartney compositions, ensuring that they remained as the hugely successful iconic figures throughout the 60s. They were part of the 'counter-culture' strategy (think Timothy Leary) that was designed to deflect a generation into 'peace and love' hedonistic hippydom and away from the genuine revolutionary politics that may have presented a real threat to their control matrix.

As a girl, Yoko played with Emperor Hirohito's children i.e. she was from the very highest strata of the Japanese power structure. Yes she was Lennon's 'handler', not necessarily in the CIA sense, but in the mind control sense (although the distinction is not that great, it could be both.)

One aspect of trauma based mind control is that the victims do eventually crawl out from under it, and break their conditioning, and this tends to start happening in the late30s/early 40s. This may be related to the regeneration of the individual's pineal gland, part of which is removed surgically as part of the mind control process. Lennon was at that stage, and was on the brink of revealing all. Yoko reported this back, and the assassination by (mind-controlled) Mark Chapman was set up. Certainly Yoko's actions at the time of the assassination - running off leaving Lennon standing there on his own as Chapman emerged - and subsequently - the pictures of Lennon's blood-stained glasses - 'conceptual art' or blatant psy-ops? - leave a lot of questions to be answered.

Now I was a kid in the 60s and grew up with the Beatles' and their music was an important part of my childhood. They were very much heroes of mine, loved them really, so reading all this stuff was very difficult to accept. Is it true? It's impossible to tell, but if you have managed to pull back the curtain and see the mechanism of dark power that exists hidden away it certainly seems plausible.

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[anthony65]

Well, working on the basis that we can never be really sure what is true and what is disinfo...

I have read that the Beatles were a creation of British Intelligence, and that in the very early 60s they spent time at Tavistock House (Britain's centre for mind control) undergoing trauma-based mind control. It's possible this process started when they were children, as that would be the normal practise, although I have not seen that claimed anywhere. Also, particularly during the middle period, when they were touring constantly, a number of songs were bought and released as Lennon/McCartney compositions, ensuring that they remained as the hugely successful iconic figures throughout the 60s. They were part of the 'counter-culture' strategy (think Timothy Leary) that was designed to deflect a generation into 'peace and love' hedonistic hippydom and away from the genuine revolutionary politics that may have presented a real threat to their control matrix.

As a girl, Yoko played with Emperor Hirohito's children i.e. she was from the very highest strata of the Japanese power structure. Yes she was Lennon's 'handler', not necessarily in the CIA sense, but in the mind control sense (although the distinction is not that great, it could be both.)

One aspect of trauma based mind control is that the victims do eventually crawl out from under it, and break their conditioning, and this tends to start happening in the late30s/early 40s. This may be related to the regeneration of the individual's pineal gland, part of which is removed surgically as part of the mind control process. Lennon was at that stage, and was on the brink of revealing all. Yoko reported this back, and the assassination by (mind-controlled) Mark Chapman was set up. Certainly Yoko's actions at the time of the assassination - running off leaving Lennon standing there on his own as Chapman emerged - and subsequently - the pictures of Lennon's blood-stained glasses - 'conceptual art' or blatant psy-ops? - leave a lot of questions to be answered.

Now I was a kid in the 60s and grew up with the Beatles' and their music was an important part of my childhood. They were very much heroes of mine, loved them really, so reading all this stuff was very difficult to accept. Is it true? It's impossible to tell, but if you have managed to pull back the curtain and see the mechanism of dark power that exists hidden away it certainly seems plausible.

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Brilliant summary!

Thanks! :)

Did you read the John Coleman report on the Beatles?

Do you have any other sources you can recommend?

[lizzy]

Now I was a kid in the 60s and grew up with the Beatles' and their music was an important part of my childhood. They were very much heroes of mine, loved them really, so reading all this stuff was very difficult to accept. Is it true? It's impossible to tell, but if you have managed to pull back the curtain and see the mechanism of dark power that exists hidden away it certainly seems plausible.

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Me too;)
.......going down the rabbit hole when I encountered they had 'manufactured' my music for the 60's / 70's , Laurel Canyon /sons of the cia / miliary ,the Byrds, Cosby, Stills and Nash ect ,as you have de-scribed, it came as a heinous violaton to me.......I am only "thankful" that the culture created for my time was based on 'peace' no matter how hollow and engineered for the one world religion.

For those back then who got land and self suffuciency , they were ahead off the times.......cus now it's really needed. There's no "prosperity" ahead.

Do you think they did an MK ultra number on the Beatles when they were kids? This is a new one for me. I can except they were heavily guided into Eastern mysticism but did they plan and pick out those 4 / 5 ( a drummer dropped out ) as children for mind control? I really do hope not.....but I'll leave it open to question.

[size_of_light]

Only in Your Own Mind, What do You Think Of Joko Ono Being a CIA Op
Being John Lennon's Handler :cool:

The man produced some of the deepest, most inspiring popular music the world has ever heard right up until the day he was murdered, so if Yoko Ono really was his CIA handler then she made a pretty shit job of it.

[cheeney1]

The man produced some of the deepest, most inspiring popular music the world has ever heard right up until the day he was murdered, so if Yoko Ono really was his CIA handler then she made a pretty shit job of it.

As I stated Only if you say so, To me he's a Tosser ,Wife Basher (Cynthia )
Bought a Child into the world then Fucked Off what a Hero :rolleyes: really Good Parenting Skills :rolleyes:

[size_of_light]

As I stated Only if you say so, To me he's a Tosser ,Wife Basher (Cynthia )
Bought a Child into the world then Fucked Off what a Hero :rolleyes: really Good Parenting Skills :rolleyes:

I guess it comes down to whether or not you like his music.

If you do (like I do), then you hear something so awesomely kick-ass and transcendent in the songs he wrote and performed that any accusations about his private life are not only irrelevant to the quality of his creative output, they also serve to humanise him and make him even more likeable because they show him to be a normal, flawed human being like you or I.

[dancing_with_durga]

Did you read the John Coleman report on the Beatles?

Do you have any other sources you can recommend?

No, I've not read Coleman's report - do you have a link to it? I would be very interested to read it.

I've had a quick search through my bookmarks and cannot find any specific sources. The information came from my research into mind control, so I can't put my finger on anything specific. Sorry about that. I first picked up the trail of it through the 'Paul is dead' thing a couple of years ago (it had somehow passed me by completely until then!). There is a lot of interesting stuff there!

A good place to start with that is here:

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&acti

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[anthony65]

No, I've not read Coleman's report - do you have a link to it? I would be very interested to read it.

I've had a quick search through my bookmarks and cannot find any specific sources. The information came from my research into mind control, so I can't put my finger on anything specific. Sorry about that. I first picked up the trail of it through the 'Paul is dead' thing a couple of years ago (it had somehow passed me by completely until then!). There is a lot of interesting stuff there!

A good place to start with that is here:

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&acti

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I haven't read it either. The Coleman stuff isn't easy to come by apparently.

But maybe I haven't tried hard enough!

It was all a bit expensive as well I seem to remember!

[clozaril]

he wrote working class hero but some say he was middle-class Paul was working class.

that said he did write some good songs.

[dancing_with_durga]

As I stated Only if you say so, To me he's a Tosser ,Wife Basher (Cynthia )
Bought a Child into the world then Fucked Off what a Hero :rolleyes: really Good Parenting Skills :rolleyes:

The facts that you state are true, but in Lennon's defence, he did subsequently show remorse for his actions and tried to repair the damage he had caused. That is as much as anyone can do after the fact.

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[clozaril]

druga that stuff you wrote about his pineal gland been removed and mind control. wouldn't tripping his tits out on lsd affect the programming or the time he spent meditating using TM affect his programming ?

[dancing_with_durga]

...you hear something so awesomely kick-ass and transcendent in the songs he wrote and performed...

That's true as well (can't get multi-quote to work for some reason!) The point here, mirrored in the discussion we were having on the Dalai Lama thread, is the nature and extent of the over-arching power. Can anyone, in any sphere, be a successful and well-known figure if what they are doing is in any way antithetical to the Big Agenda? If someone is appearing to promote spiritual growth (antithetical indeed!) why are they being allowed to do so? Are there limits to the Power thus allowing subversion (in this specific upside-down context) to be propagated? Or is the subversion not real subversion at all, but a facet of the control structure - by steering people up blind alleys? That is the question, and everyone will have their own answer to it, based on their own understanding and awareness.

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[dancing_with_durga]

druga that stuff you wrote about his pineal gland been removed and mind control. wouldn't tripping his tits out on lsd affect the programming or the time he spent meditating using TM affect his programming ?

That is a very interesting question, and I have no idea of the answer. Do you know anything about the relationship between LSD and the pineal gland?

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[clozaril]

no not really i find the laurel canyon articles interesting, however i can't see the beatles been created by tavistock.

plus lennon whilst with ono did primal scream therapy which has screwed people up (meaning in this sense it would certainly uncover any programming ) plus his 18 months bender in LA without ono.

[who elsie]

Lennon, one of the few true rock stars ever, as he wasn't afraid to say what he thinks in his music. Some great songs that showed genuine understanding and compassion for the problems in the world.

As for Yoko being his handler, it's a possibility this is how it started, but I have my doubts, as it didn't seem to have any effect on Lennon's worldview. However, he was seriously distracted by her around the time of the Beatles break-up and then there was the 5 year gap from recording or doing any public appearances, before re-emerging in 1980, just prior to his murder. I wonder what was going on in his life in those years?

Anyway, that's all conjecture. I'd like to remember him of the compose of such great truth anthems such as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9-D3kdBiw&feature=PlayList&p=A136328BFC110E5B&index=0

[anthony65]

Lennon, one of the few true rock stars ever, as he wasn't afraid to say what he thinks in his music. Some great songs that showed genuine understanding and compassion for the problems in the world.

As for Yoko being his handler, it's a possibility this is how it started, but I have my doubts, as it didn't seem to have any effect on Lennon's worldview. However, he was seriously distracted by her around the time of the Beatles break-up and then there was the 5 year gap from recording or doing any public appearances, before re-emerging in 1980, just prior to his murder. I wonder what was going on in his life in those years?

Anyway, that's all conjecture. I'd like to remember him of the compose of such great truth anthems such as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9-D3kdBiw&feature=PlayList&p=A136328BFC110E5B&index=0

But conjecture is welcome on the forum Elsie!

Feel free to conjeculate on anything you like! :)

I saw something recently where John Lennon was talking to some kid in the late 60's and he gave the boy lots of time to speak.

I think John Lennon was a great man. I'm not sure about some of those around him though.

And any powerful message is going to be funnelled, manipulated at some stage.

COINTELPRO.

I think we have to be careful though not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Peace and Love shouldn't be dismissed because they were picked up to be abused as part of the globalist agenda.

But we also shouldn't be ignorant to the fact that they have and continue to be abused!

**Powerful song by the way! Thanks for posting! **

[nosferatu_dj]

That is a very interesting question, and I have no idea of the answer. Do you know anything about the relationship between LSD and the pineal gland?

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yes there is a PROVEN link between the pneal gland and LSD and drugs like that

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[apekteina lordosis]

this might resonate with some of ya (does for me) ;)

mind games by john lennon

we're playing those mind games together

pushing the barriers planting seeds

playing the mind guerrilla

chanting the mantra peace on earth

we all been playing those mind games forever

some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil

doing the mind guerrilla

some call it magic the search for the grail

love is the answer and you know that for sure

love is a flower you got to let it grow

so keep on playing those mind games together

faith in the future out of the now

you just can't beat on those mind guerrillas

absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind

yeah we're playing those mind games together

projecting our images in space and in time

yes is the answer and you know that for sure

yes is surrender you got to let it go

so keep on playing those mind games together

doing the ritual dance in the sun

millions of mind guerrillas

putting their soul power to the karmic wheel

keep on playing those mind games together

raising the spirit of peace and love

(i want you to make love, not war

i know you've heard it before)

[anthony65]

this might resonate with some of ya (does for me) ;)

mind games by john lennon

we're playing those mind games together

pushing the barriers planting seeds

playing the mind guerrilla

chanting the mantra peace on earth

we all been playing those mind games forever

some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil

doing the mind guerrilla

some call it magic the search for the grail

love is the answer and you know that for sure

love is a flower you got to let it grow

so keep on playing those mind games together

faith in the future out of the now

you just can't beat on those mind guerrillas

absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind

yeah we're playing those mind games together

projecting our images in space and in time

yes is the answer and you know that for sure

yes is surrender you got to let it go

so keep on playing those mind games together

doing the ritual dance in the sun

millions of mind guerrillas

putting their soul power to the karmic wheel

keep on playing those mind games together

raising the spirit of peace and love

(i want you to make love, not war

i know you've heard it before)

:eek:

Until a couple of years ago I would never have remotely understood what this was about, but now...

That is incredibly deep! :)

[apekteina lordosis]

:eek:

Until a couple of years ago I would never have remotely understood what this was about, but now...

That is incredibly deep! :)

:)

aye, very meaningful tune- here's the vid for all youse karmic guerrilla...

Mind Games - John Lennon - YouTube

[sevenworlds]

While I like Lennon and his music, his message was empty in the sense he didn't seem to practice what he preached. It was idealistic rather than actual.

His foolishness in his early years - hitting his wife, not being a good dad - is understandable because he didn't know any better then, but later he sang and spoke of love while not demonstrating it when The Beatles split-up and went to court. Then the petty slanging match with McCartney in the years that followed and writing songs like "Beautiful Boy" for Sean while hardly bothering with Julian. I saw a documentary once where his friend and assistant at the Dakota claimed he liked to pretend and imagine he had this great, cosy family life during his 5 years out of the limelight, getting this guy to take polaroids of them and so on, but that was far from the case. I think Lennon was very mixed-up. Whatever part Yoko played can't really be an excuse.

The only musician I have genuine respect for is Bob Marley. He is the only one I've found who seems to have actually LIVED what he sang and spoke of. The rest, no matter how well-intended, have all been on an ego trip of one kind or another.

[catnap]

While I like Lennon and his music, his message was empty in the sense he didn't seem to practice what he preached. It was idealistic rather than actual.

His foolishness in his early years - hitting his wife, not being a good dad - is understandable because he didn't know any better then, but later he sang and spoke of love while not demonstrating it when The Beatles split-up and went to court. Then the petty slanging match with McCartney in the years that followed and writing songs like "Beautiful Boy" for Sean while hardly bothering with Julian. I saw a documentary once where his friend and assistant at the Dakota claimed he liked to pretend and imagine he had this great, cosy family life during his 5 years out of the limelight, getting this guy to take polaroids of them and so on, but that was far from the case. I think Lennon was very mixed-up. Whatever part Yoko played can't really be an excuse.

The only musician I have genuine respect for is Bob Marley. He is the only one I've found who seems to have actually LIVED what he sang and spoke of. The rest, no matter how well-intended, have all been on an ego trip of one kind or another.

Totally agree but then I have never understood the whole Beatles and John Lennnon thing. They were good but not THAT good.

[anthony65]

While I like Lennon and his music, his message was empty in the sense he didn't seem to practice what he preached. It was idealistic rather than actual.

His foolishness in his early years - hitting his wife, not being a good dad - is understandable because he didn't know any better then, but later he sang and spoke of love while not demonstrating it when The Beatles split-up and went to court. Then the petty slanging match with McCartney in the years that followed and writing songs like "Beautiful Boy" for Sean while hardly bothering with Julian. I saw a documentary once where his friend and assistant at the Dakota claimed he liked to pretend and imagine he had this great, cosy family life during his 5 years out of the limelight, getting this guy to take polaroids of them and so on, but that was far from the case. I think Lennon was very mixed-up. Whatever part Yoko played can't really be an excuse.

The only musician I have genuine respect for is Bob Marley. He is the only one I've found who seems to have actually LIVED what he sang and spoke of. The rest, no matter how well-intended, have all been on an ego trip of one kind or another.

How many great artists or creative geniuses actually led the kind of life that they painted in whatever form?

Art usually comes from pain and suffering.

The people who actually live the message that John Lennon was sending are never likely to make the news...

They're out there somewhere living the life.

John Lennon was very mixed up. But he made his mark on the world and it was mainly a positive one.

I don't know enough about Bob Marley to comment, but his music made a big impression on me when I was younger...

[ronisron]

You have to separate the artist from the art, that person is just a vessel for the things they create. He wrote some great songs, and they touched a lot of people. If he was being mind controlled/handled, his inspiration broke through that and found it's release. I believe the fact that he came out of his exile and began being musically creative again was the reason he was assassinated.

I believe the Beatles were "interfered" with by Tavistock in the sense othat their later albums were sonically engineered to mess with people's minds while listeners were under the influence of psychedelic drugs. Sending out little signals. I don't think they were a lifelong plan, just that they were in the right place at the right time, and had already connected with people in a big way. Plus, they sold a lot of records and made a lot of money.

[sevenworlds]

How many great artists or creative geniuses actually led the kind of life that they painted in whatever form?

Exactly. So why do we hold them up as geniuses or legends? John Lennon was a talented musician. In the field of music, he was very good at what he did. I can understand guitarists or singers looking up to him but we are reading deep meaning into his 'message', believing it has something to say about how to live, when he couldn't even live that way.

They're out there somewhere living the life.

Where? The world is in more of a mess now than it was when he was alive so obviously his message hasn't had much of an impact.

[dancing_with_durga]

yes there is a PROVEN link between the pneal gland and LSD and drugs like that

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=92799F93EC45A892&search_query=pineal+gland+lsd

Thanks for the answer, but those links are all dealing with DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) and not LSD (Lysergic acid diethylamide-25) - as the chemical names indicate they are completely different substances that act on the brain in different ways producing different effects.

I think Anthony65 makes a great point earlier talking about 'not throwing the baby out with the bathwater'. After all, both Mozart and Beethoven were masons, but they knocked out a few decent tunes between them! Whatever was going on with Lennon, and we'll probably never know the whole story, he produced some brilliant songs, that stand in their own right I think. The things I've read about all the dark stuff hasn't stopped me listening to, and enjoying the Beatles' music. Perhaps art can transcend, however base the origins.

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[anthony65]

Exactly. So why do we hold them up as geniuses or legends? John Lennon was a talented musician. In the field of music, he was very good at what he did. I can understand guitarists or singers looking up to him but we are reading deep meaning into his 'message', believing it has something to say about how to live, when he couldn't even live that way.



Where? The world is in more of a mess now than it was when he was alive so obviously his message hasn't had much of an impact.

It's about what the message does to each one of us an individual. And that can vary according to the stage of our life we happen to be in.

As for John Lennon, maybe his spirit was willing but the flesh was weak.

I agree about not putting people on pedestals. No more heroes. But it's simply true that certain people have a larger influence on our lives than others, especially if they're in the limelight.

There are also some very "ordinary" people who have perhaps an even greater influence on our individual lives, but who wants to hear about those stories? Depends on how you tell them I suppose. What was the recent thread someone posted about loads of characters at some festival in the States? Very interesting!

I don't know whether the world is in a bigger mess now than then (Vietnam was on at the time). Although maybe it seems as if not too much has changed, I think on the personal level there are a lot of changes that have taken place since then; some positive, some negative.

[sevenworlds]

You have to separate the artist from the art, that person is just a vessel for the things they create.

No, I think this is where we go wrong. Why must you separate? Why can't we ourselves be the walking piece of art? Then there is no need for an artist. The reason society has created 'artists' is because we love suffering. So they get the position of creating a work of art about that suffering and of hope and bright futures while we can sit back, revel in it and talk of what genuises they are. Meanwhile nothing actually changes, just like this piece of art says...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[thirdwave]

As I stated Only if you say so, To me he's a Tosser ,Wife Basher (Cynthia )
Bought a Child into the world then Fucked Off what a Hero :rolleyes: really Good Parenting Skills :rolleyes:

You don't have to be a saint all your life, as if everyone on this forum is perfect...

Not everyone is brought up the same and we all go through different things...

What ever anyone says and what ever unprovable conspiracies pop up, Jon Lennon created a message through his music that was loud and clear, and it was a message that is still respected and remembered today. He does not have to be some spotless priest for me, in fact the fact he has got his hands dirty in life means he was even more credible in his stance and his new chosen direction.

If Jon Lennon was around today what do you think he would be saying?

People also don't realise that much of what goes around bands like the Beatles with all the promotion and stuff has very little to do with the band... so people look at a the black and white zeebra crossing, see John Lennon hang out with Phil Spector and all of a sudden he is an evil mind controlled tool.


John Lennon Rocked, and the fact that nowerdays there are so little people following in his footsteps and being seen as he was, is a sign of how far the NWO has come.

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. ... I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." J.L.


"If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." JL

"It takes time to get rid of all this garbage that I've been carrying around that was influencing the way I thought and the way I lived." JL
"
That's part of our policy, is not to be taken seriously, because I think our opposition, whoever they may be, in all their manifest forms, don't know how to handle humor." JL

[joy division]

Look at the floor at 0.52 seconds. hmmmm.

John lennon - working class hero (official video) - YouTube

[anthony65]

No, I think this is where we go wrong. Why must you separate? Why can't we ourselves be the walking piece of art? Then there is no need for an artist. The reason society has created 'artists' is because we love suffering. So they get the position of creating a work of art about that suffering and of hope and bright futures while we can sit back, revel in it and talk of what genuises they are. Meanwhile nothing actually changes, just like this piece of art says...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu4p-pWkP1A

Maybe it's where we start. Where we draw our inspiration from.

And later we can realize that we ourselves can be an artist, a creator...

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages."

[thirdwave]

Where? The world is in more of a mess now than it was when he was alive so obviously his message hasn't had much of an impact.

if it did not have an impact then why is he a legend and why are we having this conversation?

He was not a God sent down to save the planet like some have claimed to be...

He was someone who looked to inspire others, and did so...

"Christianity will go.. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first — rock and roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me. " JL

[danster82]

My take is that the Beatles were definitely controlled group and that Lennon was going along with it in the beginning until he realised he was being played and so broke away done his own thing and so they shot him.

[sevenworlds]

Maybe it's where we start. Where we draw our inspiration from.

And later we can realize that we ourselves can be an artist, a creator...

But when? It's always later.

if it did not have an impact then why is he a legend and why are we having this conversation?

Madonna is also considered a legend by some. That word is meaningless. He is considered one and we are having this very conversation because that's all we can do - elevate a certain few individuals and then project all our own hopes and suffering onto them.

We have been doing so since Jesus and probably long before. Lennon's murder was just another modern day crucifixion. We enjoy to watch this drama play out over and over again because then we can hold these individuals up as 'legends' and talk nostalgically of their message while waiting on the next one to come along.

[ronisron]

No, I think this is where we go wrong. Why must you separate? Why can't we ourselves be the walking piece of art? Then there is no need for an artist. The reason society has created 'artists' is because we love suffering. So they get the position of creating a work of art about that suffering and of hope and bright futures while we can sit back, revel in it and talk of what genuises they are. Meanwhile nothing actually changes, just like this piece of art says...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu4p-pWkP1A

Not all artists are necessarily great people, but at the same time they can produce great art. If someone is going to disparage the art because the artist was less than perfect as a human being, then one should learn to appreciate the art, and separate the artist from it. After all, it's the art that counts.

I think everyone has the potential to be artistic, but some of us receive a stronger inspiration to be that way. I'm glad they are here, they offer a perspective that may accentuate something we already think or feel. They can also inspire us just by doing. I don't know if I'm naturally musically inclined, but I have been inspired by certain people to be musical. I've also been inspired to write as though the song was prewritten and just waiting to be accessed. Some of the more attuned musicians can tap into that wellspring all the time. Inspired works of art enter from a whole other level of consciousness.

[size_of_light]

this might resonate with some of ya (does for me) ;)

mind games by john lennon

we're playing those mind games together

pushing the barriers planting seeds

playing the mind guerrilla

chanting the mantra peace on earth

we all been playing those mind games forever

some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil

doing the mind guerrilla

some call it magic the search for the grail

love is the answer and you know that for sure

love is a flower you got to let it grow

so keep on playing those mind games together

faith in the future out of the now

you just can't beat on those mind guerrillas

absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind

yeah we're playing those mind games together

projecting our images in space and in time

yes is the answer and you know that for sure

yes is surrender you got to let it go

so keep on playing those mind games together

doing the ritual dance in the sun

millions of mind guerrillas

putting their soul power to the karmic wheel

keep on playing those mind games together

raising the spirit of peace and love

(i want you to make love, not war

i know you've heard it before)

Never fails to give me goosebumps.

[merlincove]

if it did not have an impact then why is he a legend and why are we having this conversation?

He was not a God sent down to save the planet like some have claimed to be...

He was someone who looked to inspire others, and did so...

"Christianity will go.. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first — rock and roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me. " JL

i think that it is very sad that people need 'legends' but i guess it is the way of some to need.

it isn't sad that some people have the ability to inspire on whatever level, that certain people have an inate ability to carry a torch and illuminate the pathway and open people to new understandings.

Lennon wrote some beautiful songs that speak of love and oneness, unity and peace. i don't think that in doing that he became a legend, although i say that now - fifteen years ago i would have said that Lennnon was a legend.

Back then there were a few people who inspired my mind, Lennon, Marley, Bruce Lee. And still i feel these guys are wonderfull embodiments of self acclaimed power, their ability to bring a message to the masses gives the masses the ability to understand themselves and see what is important to them, not as followers or worshipers of far distant idols, but as one human being understanding the words of another and being empowered by those words and their ways.

i think that is highly important to forming an open mind and understanding the Self. Sometimes we need a wee lesson, a pointer and a kick start.

Not so much about idolising a mentor or legend, and more about a wake up call.

the inspiration of Lennon lives on because he did inspire a generation and his words continue to inspire still.

[thirdwave]

i think that it is very sad that people need 'legends' but i guess it is the way of some to need.

it isn't sad that some people have the ability to inspire on whatever level, that certain people have an inate ability to carry a torch and illuminate the pathway and open people to new understandings.

Lennon wrote some beautiful songs that speak of love and oneness, unity and peace. i don't think that in doing that he became a legend, although i say that now - fifteen years ago i would have said that Lennnon was a legend.

Back then there were a few people who inspired my mind, Lennon, Marley, Bruce Lee. And still i feel these guys are wonderfull embodiments of self acclaimed power, their ability to bring a message to the masses gives the masses the ability to understand themselves and see what is important to them, not as followers or worshipers of far distant idols, but as one human being understanding the words of another and being empowered by those words and their ways.

i think that is highly important to forming an open mind and understanding the Self. Sometimes we need a wee lesson, a pointer and a kick start.

Not so much about idolising a mentor or legend, and more about a wake up call.

the inspiration of Lennon lives on because he did inspire a generation and his words continue to inspire still.

Hi there mate, I agree... he was more an inspiration than a leader... someone who pointed out that peace was not silly or unrealistic but thinking it was unrealistic and silly was silly..

[thirdwave]

But when? It's always later.


Madonna is also considered a legend by some. by the mainstreem media yes.. as a sexual icon yes, as a song righter / lyricist and person with a message, she would not get a sniff...


That word is meaningless.
It is a case of why somone is remebered... not how famous they were..

Jon Lennon will always be remembered for his political out spoke and pro peace campaigns.. and how he used his fame to get a strong message out, that did get out... and in his music people look back and remember that message... call that what ever you like..


He is considered one and we are having this very conversation because that's all we can do - elevate a certain few individuals and then project all our own hopes and suffering onto them.

fair enough, but my comment was based on the comment that his efforts were not very effecting (or something along those lines) I just pointed out the fact his name is still very potent within these subjects means he was effective to a point and probably why he was killed, so he would not be around today supporting the likes of David Icke.



We have been doing so since Jesus and probably long before.

Like I have said, its nothing to do with treating him as a lord... its to do with apriciating somone in his possition saying what he said... making a mark.

who would you rather have on the TV?... him or Will Smith?


Lennon's murder was just another modern day crucifixion.

Agreed, "the way things are going, their gonna crucify me".. chilling lyrics..

Lennon was far from perfect.. he had a huge ego and a bad temper.... but he was still right alot of the time... and he knew how to put it into music.

We enjoy to watch this drama play out over and over again because then we can hold these individuals up as 'legends' and talk nostalgically of their message while waiting on the next one to come along.

I think we have to be careful not to worry to much about if we "need to follow someone"... its like people get so hung up on not being seen as looking up to someone else...

I look up to many people.. and become inspired by them.. it does not mean I follow their every action... Its important to be inspired by others... but its also important to be the person you are..

[nosferatu_dj]

Thanks for the answer, but those links are all dealing with DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) and not LSD (Lysergic acid diethylamide-25) - as the chemical names indicate they are completely different substances that act on the brain in different ways producing different effects.

ahh ok sorry about the link.. dam youtube takeing away the good videos... here is a link for ya

http://www.serendipity.li/mcclay/pineal.html

i must say that LSD will not exactly OPEN ur pineal gland BUT it is 1 of the key's that can be used to unlocking it...

[kasalt]

In 1969, a 14-year-old Beatle fanatic named Jerry Levitan snuck into John Lennon's hotel room in Toronto with a tape recorder and convinced him to do an interview:

I Met the Walrus - YouTube

[nosferatu_dj]

i started this thread to begin with to point out HIS MUSIC not the man himself... ONLY the music he made and what that music has done for countless people around the world.. HIS MUSIC was a inspreation to sooooooo many....

why is it on a forum that is supposed to be devoted to truth and fighting for freedom.. why do i see so many peole ONLY looking for all the negative and bad things in life.... i only said he is a legend for the messege he had in his music.

it is up to the individual to decide on how to take his music... not to judge the way he lived or what he did in his life.

how would u like it if u where trying to tell the world something but no body listened becouse when you whre a kid u bashed other kids in school.....

SO WHAT, WHO CARES what the person has done in there life,, it was his music i was pointing out that made him a unforgetable LEGEND not his life.

[nosferatu_dj]

WAY to many people look into things to much,, looking for bad things... if u look hard enugh u will find evil and bad things EVERYWHERE and in everyones lifes.

[dancing_with_durga]

http://www.serendipity.li/mcclay/pineal.html

i must say that LSD will not exactly OPEN ur pineal gland BUT it is 1 of the key's that can be used to unlocking it...

Thanks again - the serendipity link is excellent - I'd forgotten about that site, hadn't visited it for several years so I shall be spending a bit of time there...

I think that DMT projects the consciousness into the 'Fourth Density' judging from reports I've heard (no personal experince) and allowing interaction with entities, some benign, some malign, explaining South American shamen's experiences with ayahuasca. I suspect the pineal is involved in that process. LSD, on the other hand, under the right conditions, can get consciousness back to Source itself, a truly transcendental experience, and my feeling there was that it was beyond the action of the pineal, but don't know, hence my interest. Lennon said in his Playboy interview that the release of LSD was a mistake by TPTB, because it was intended to divert and distract, yet ended up liberating instead. I don't know if you have "Let It Be - Naked", but the un-Spectrorised "Across the Universe" is phenomenal (especially on headphones), Lennon's most cosmic expressive creation in my view.

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[sevenworlds]

fair enough, but my comment was based on the comment that his efforts were not very effecting (or something along those lines) I just pointed out the fact his name is still very potent within these subjects means he was effective to a point and probably why he was killed, so he would not be around today supporting the likes of David Icke.

I see it the other way. Just as Christians are still harking back to a man who supposedly lived 2000 years ago and trying to take comfort in his message and apply it to how they live today, we do the same now with figures like Lennon. If the message was so inspiring we'd be LIVING it now, today, not discussing the merits of someone who has been dead for 30 years.

who would you rather have on the TV?... him or Will Smith?

Neither. It makes no difference. The reason they are on the tv - whoever they are - is because people look up to and worship them in some way. As long as you do that, you can't LIVE. My personal preference is for Lennon's music but who am I to insist he should be on tv and not Will Smith? It's just entertainment. If Lennon's message actually hits me, then that question wouldn't even arise.

I think we have to be careful not to worry to much about if we "need to follow someone"... its like people get so hung up on not being seen as looking up to someone else...

I look up to many people.. and become inspired by them.. it does not mean I follow their every action... Its important to be inspired by others... but its also important to be the person you are..

As long as you are inspired by others you can't be yourself. No matter how great the figure, the possibility of you expressing fully and wholly what you are will always elude you. I'm not saying we should just nonchalantly claim we don't look up to anyone. That's the same tactic in reverse. If you are one with life - which is what Lennon's message seemed to be pointing to - then the question of being inspired or not and looking around at others for guidance wouldn't even be there.

Anyway, probably I've said too much. The OP wanted this to focus on his music. To me, his music can be enjoyed, and personally I prefer it over a lot of other stuff, but that's all. I think we're fooling ourselves to claim there is some deep message in there that can help us to live better.

[anthony65]

i started this thread to begin with to point out HIS MUSIC not the man himself... ONLY the music he made and what that music has done for countless people around the world.. HIS MUSIC was a inspreation to sooooooo many....

why is it on a forum that is supposed to be devoted to truth and fighting for freedom.. why do i see so many peole ONLY looking for all the negative and bad things in life.... i only said he is a legend for the messege he had in his music.

it is up to the individual to decide on how to take his music... not to judge the way he lived or what he did in his life.

how would u like it if u where trying to tell the world something but no body listened becouse when you whre a kid u bashed other kids in school.....

SO WHAT, WHO CARES what the person has done in there life,, it was his music i was pointing out that made him a unforgetable LEGEND not his life.


You're moving the goalposts! :D

Title of the thread: John Lennon what a legend

With song lyrics to working class hero.

And I think you'll find that there have been a number of people who've got something positive from the thread, but without the negative input it wouldn't be half so lively.

A lively thread with loads of different opinions...

What's wrong with that? :)

Thanks for starting this thread by the way! ;)

[thirdwave]

I see it the other way. Just as Christians are still harking back to a man who supposedly lived 2000 years ago and trying to take comfort in his message and apply it to how they live today, we do the same now with figures like Lennon. If the message was so inspiring we'd be LIVING it now, today, not discussing the merits of someone who has been dead for 30 years.

I see your views... But I just cant compare a man who is seen as God and the salvation of man kind, to a song writer who used his popularity to promote peace.

We remember Jon Lennon because people still love his music and how it personally makes them feel... not because we think he is a god or a messiah...

for me there is a big difference.

Also there is nothing wrong with haling a person who made a sacrifice...

for example is such a person like Jesus did die because he was so focused on spreading truth and love... then sure he should be remembered and respected for what he done... and an example to people...

its the dying for our sins... and sacrifice for god part I done buy into.

I dont think we choose who we remember or forget.... it just happens... why did we not forget about Hitler?.... Martin L King?... so on..






Neither. It makes no difference. The reason they are on the tv - whoever they are - is because people look up to and worship them in some way. and buy their music :) and enjoy going to see them play their music..

As long as you do that, you can't LIVE. I love music.

My personal preference is for Lennon's music but who am I to insist he should be on tv and not Will Smith? I asked who you would rather see on TV.

TV is very conrolled, not much truth is said... though Lennon fired out all kinds .... W Smith will just promote his next album or movie... that's my point.


It's just entertainment. If Lennon's message actually hits me, then that question wouldn't even arise.
maybe it did not hit you, When I first heard Imagine it hit me and has never left me :), I worship the song because I love it and choose to worship it... Him?, I respect him for creating it and supporting it... I pat him on the back.



As long as you are inspired by others you can't be yourself.

lol. I strongly disagree.

No matter how great the figure, the possibility of you expressing fully and wholly what you are will always elude you.
I think people inspiring eachother is very important.


I think we're fooling ourselves to claim there is some deep message in there that can help us to live better.

The message is there, the lyrics show this... it is not a claim.. it is an observation :)

his interviews also show this, there wads nothing mystical about it...

Good music contains heart and soul.... he used his music to express the message he felt the world would be better off for.... he was not the only person by all means, but he used his fame to speak out loud.... which is why so many people know him and what he was about...

of course record companies will market it all, anything they can get their hands on... but that does not change what his songs where about and what he wanted to say to people.

I do not worship Him, I support his music and his comments on society... and because people know him more than me, I would be more than happy to quite him rather than expect everyone to know who I am... and hey, even if people did know who I was, there would still be no problem me quoting him... because he was right.

[pipsicle]

Well, working on the basis that we can never be really sure what is true and what is disinfo...

I have read that the Beatles were a creation of British Intelligence, and that in the very early 60s they spent time at Tavistock House (Britain's centre for mind control) undergoing trauma-based mind control.

I was thinking about some of the lyrics John wrote about the local children's home he sometimes visited :-

Always, no, sometimes think it's me
But you know I know and it's a dream...

I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real

Does anyone else think this could be a description of crypto-amnesia, where memories are forced onto the part of the brain normally reserved for dreaming?

[cheeney1]

What do you people think Of This anything is possible ;)

http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/index.asp

Have a gander have Squizz :cool: