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tusme
23-06-2009, 01:40 PM
...Flight 11 DID NOT FLY on 911

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American Airlines itself is the source for information that AA Flights 11 (North Tower) and 77 (Pentagon) did not fly on 911. These flights are critical to the the government's crumbling cover up! Without those flights, Bush and his murderous co-conspirators will have to revise the big lie. They will have to concoct yet another cover story from the ground up! A cover up is on the brink of collapse when those guilty of capital crimes and high treason either turn on one another or are forced to revise the lie!

Already several demonstrable lies (many referenced in previous EC articles) are probable cause to begin a Federal Grand Jury investigation of George W. Bush's role in 911. Bush should be compelled by subpoena and Federal Marshals to testify under oath before an independent Federal Grand Jury. The AA revelations demand it!
WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11.
Original entry was:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).
New entry is:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/ (http://www.bts.gov/gis/)) do not list either flight that day.
A Google search of the IP address that made the change - 144.9.8.21 - is located at American Airlines.
Why the change American airlines? Did the flights actually operate or did we just imagine all of that?
--LiveLeak (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5af_1188145561&c=1)
911 did not happen as we have been told. That AA claims that the two aircraft that are absolutely essential to the Bush administration's official theory were not, in fact, scheduled for flight and were, in fact, not in the air that day, is a big hole from which Bush may not escape.


According to Wikiscaner Americans Airliners changed their Wikipedia entry which now states that 'Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11'.
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/ (http://www.bts.gov/gis/)) do not list either flight that day.
The entry had stated:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).
A Google search of the IP address - 144.9.8.21 - confirmed that the 'change' was made at American Airlines.
User talk: 144.9.8.21
This IP address is registered to American Airlines
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My WHOIS lookup of the above IP address returned the following:
WHOIS - 144.9.8.21 (http://www.who.is/whois-ip/ip-address/144.9.8.21/)

Location: United States [City: Ft. Worth, Texas]

OrgName: American Airlines Incorporated
OrgID: AMERIC-112 (http://www.blogger.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=%21AMERIC-112&server=whois.arin.net&type=O)
Address: P.O.Box 619616
Address: MD 5308
City: DFW Airport
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75261
Country: US

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CIDR: 144.9.0.0/16
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NetHandle: NET-144-9-0-0-1
Parent: NET-144-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: DNS-P1.SABRE.COM
NameServer: DNS-P2.SABRE.COM
NameServer: DNS-P3.SABRE.COM
NameServer: DNS-P4.SABRE.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1990-10-31
Updated: 2002-06-27

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RTechName: Gelbrich, Orf
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RTechEmail: ************@aa.com

OrgTechHandle: ZW72-ARIN
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# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-06-29 19:10
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If neither flight was in the air as American Airlines itself has so stated, then numerous 'official versions' of the 'official conspiracy theory' are all a pack of malicious lies. That includes almost every statement made by Bush. These lies are especially pernicious because they have the effect of covering up the truth, protecting the guilty and obstructing justice. These lies are an insult to the families of everyone who died as a result of the event and the subsequent cover up. These lies aggravate the crimes of mass murder, terrorism and high treason for which the penalty must surely be death.

The official story is familiar by now.
At 8:20, Flight 11 stopped transmitting its transponder signal, and veered northward and departed dramatically from the westward heading of its planned route. The controllers concluded that the plane had probably been hijacked. 4 5 At 8:24, the following transmission was reportedly received from Flight 11: We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay .. we are returning to the airport.
..Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet. Nobody move please we are going back to the airport .. don't try to make any stupid moves. 6
Neither of the pilots pressed the distress call button. At 8:28 controllers reportedly watched the plane make a 100-degree turn toward the south. 7 Presumably, Flight 11 continued south along the Hudson River until it reached the World Trade Center, though documentation of this is sparse given the lack of public information.
According to NORAD's September 18 timeline, the FAA did not notify NORAD of the signs that Flight 11 was hijacked until 8:40, 25 minutes after the first signs of trouble. 8
--Flight 11, The First Jet Commandeered on September 11th (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight11.html), 911 Research
But --if Flight 11 did not fly that day, that's all a deliberate, criminal lie! If neither Flight 11 or 77 was in the air that day, then nothing in the 'official statements' with regard to the Twin Towers of the WTC can is true.





http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9jbG-c2Ned4/Sj-2tq_GZNI/AAAAAAAACI8/UMtnskNQHew/s320/Global_hawk_Pentagoncrash_02.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9jbG-c2Ned4/Sj-2tq_GZNI/AAAAAAAACI8/UMtnskNQHew/s1600-h/Global_hawk_Pentagoncrash_02.jpg)This information is not compatible with previous EC articles in which it was revealed that NTSB data placed Flight 77 at an altitude of 273, some 200 feet ABOVE the Pentagon at the time of impact, give or take a couple of seconds or less! Moreover, it's trajectory was such that those 'eyewitnesses' who claimed to have seen it could not possibly have done so. Neither scenario is good news for Bush. Both support the statement that absolutely no wreckage traceable to a 757 was ever found at the Pentagon. Moreover, photos of an engine rotor appear to depict a Rolls-Royce engine that is used in the Global Hawk, a payload carrying missile that was, in fact, flown from the US to Australia completely by remote control. It is certainly a much better candidate for what Rumsfeld called '...the missile that struck this building' than a 757. Here's what you need to know about the Pentagon.

No wreckage traceable to a 757 was ever recovered.
Only ONE engine rotor (seen in photos) was recovered! This rotor is about one third the diameter of a 757 rotor.
A 757 has two rotors, each of which are nearly three times the size of the SINGLE rotor located at the Pentagon
Engine rotors are made of a Steel/Titanium alloy to withstand high temps inside jet engines.
Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon
The time has come to consign Bush's official conspiracy theory to the dust bin of history. The theory is not even a good cover story, surviving for as long as it did because millions of good Americans wanted to believe it. Millions of otherwise good Americans did not wish to believe the very, very worst about an administration that had claimed to represent and defend our interests. Millions of Americans chose to believe that the government was still responsible to us, that the government was still the defender of Democracy as we are always taught in school.

Recognizing lies for what they are is a part of the process of growing up! America, it is time to grow up! It is time to confront this heinous pack of lies! It is time to insist that the Obama administration begin a REAL investigation. It is time to insist that a Federal Grand Jury investigate every count of high treason, mass murder and domestic terrorism that was perpetrated upon the people of the US by the Bush administration, collaborators in the Pentagon, K-Street, the Congress and the leadership of the Republican party, Marvin Bush's 'Securacom', Larry Silverstein, General Myers, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and, of course, George W. Bush who was, at the time,m the 'Commander-in-Chief' and ultimately responsible for the orders (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/docs/intercept_proc.pdf) given the US military to 'stand down'.
By Donald Rumsfeld's own admission, he was unaware of any threats to the Pentagon -- the building where he was located during the September 11th attacks -- until an aircraft crashed into the side of it, and he ran out "into the smoke" to see if it might be a "A bomb? I had no idea." (ABC News This Week, Interview 9/16/01).
Well, that's a pretty tall tale by any standard. The New York Times reported that by 8:13am, the FAA was aware of the first hijacking out of Boston. The Pentagon explosion, which Donald Rumsfeld claimed he had "no idea," did not occur until approximately 9:37am, nearly an hour and a half later, this after two of the tallest buildings in the world were devastated. Note that a plane hijacked out of Boston can reach Washington D.C. as easily as it can reach New York City.
It was widely reported that Pentagon personnel were indeed aware of the threats to their security, and they took security measures on that morning. But not the "Secretary of Defense." Why should the man charged with defending the United States of America concern himself with hijacked aircraft?
There is a set of procedures for responding to hijackings. In particular, these procedures were changed on June 1, 2001 while Rumsfeld was in power as our Secretary of Defense, in a document called: "CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION, J-3 CJCSI 3610.01A (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf)"

Additional resources:

American politics: the choice between 'most bad' and 'not really very good' (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/06/american-politics-choice-between-most.html)
The 'Conspiracy of Rich Men' Who Pulled Off 911 and Other GOP Atrocities (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/11/conspiracy-of-rich-men-who-pulled-off.html)
911 Commissioner Slips Up: Pentagon Struck by Missile (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/01/911-commissioner-slips-up-pentagon.html)
How 'Suspicious' Plane Crashes and Assassinations Benefit the Right Wing (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-suspicious-plane-crashes-and.html)
Last Chance to Indict Bush and Cheney for the Mass Murders of 911? (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/05/last-chance-to-indict-bush-and-cheney.html)
The US Army Document That Proves the US is the World's Number One Sponsor of World Terrorism (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/12/us-army-document-that-proves-us-is.html)
Scientists Explain Why People Vote For Republicans (http://gawker.com/5052329/scientists-explain-why-people-vote-for-republicans)
George W Bush Authorized 911 Attacks Says Government Insider (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9056)
The United States and the International Court (http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/icc/us.htm)
Forum Re: The Prosecution of George W. Bush, Robert H. Jackson Foundation (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/711644)
BBC Censored Benazir Bhutto's Reports that Bin Laden Had Been Murdered (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2007/12/bbc-censored-benazir-bhuttos-reports.html)
BBC: Hijack 'suspects' alive and well (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm)
They Lied About 911 (http://www.rense.com/general56/lied.htm)
'Lucky Larry' Silverstein Makes a Killing With 9/11 Terrorism! (http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/04/14/2009-04-14_dream_job_for_silverstein_freedom_tower.html)
Explosives Found in 9/11 Dust (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/0,5143,705295677,00.html)
Dutch TV show exonerates Osama bin Laden (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ie9cf6d4fe9496d052885db4114f0c656)
French professor sacked over 9/11 'conspiracy' theory (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/French_professor_sacked_over_9%7E47%7E11_conspirac y_theory_-164005.page)
911 Security Courtesy Marvin Bush (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html)
Marvin Bush: connections to 9/11 (http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-16-03/discussion.cgi.16.html)
9/11 Commission Memo: 'Executive Branch Minders' Intimidation of Witnesses' (http://www.scribd.com/doc/13279605/911-Commission-Memo-Executive-Branch-Minders-Intimidation-of-Witnesses)
Security, Secrecy and a Bush Brother (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00032.htm)
Thermite (http://www.opednews.com/populum/print_friendly.php?p=Pardon-Our-Dust-or-Why-t-by-Michael-Green-090417-989.html)
Pentacon (http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/)
KS" I make up stories (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cia-detainee16-2009jun16,0,316330.story)
Link (http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/06/american-airlines-exposes-bushs-big-lie.html)

grannymoose
23-06-2009, 02:01 PM
crash and brun my little Bush friend :)

januspolanski
23-06-2009, 02:53 PM
This is great stuff except it's not really Bush's big lie as he's probably not high enough in the hierachy to be involved.

queenofleon
23-06-2009, 03:02 PM
once this comes out, if it can be addressed officially, this will be he beginning of the revolution. People will not be able to stick their heads in the sand about americans being murdered, like they do with iraqi's being blown up.

Bring it on, let's see these fuckers burn!!

Ooops does that make me a terrorist??

ronisron
23-06-2009, 03:06 PM
Great OP. Regardless of the actual intent of this news from AA, who in part had to be in on the activities of 9/11, it conflicts with the big lie, and it's useful in that respect. I think there's an answer somewhere between this news, and tyhe fact that "these planes were not used in the 9 months prior to 9/11" thread.

tusme
23-06-2009, 03:26 PM
This is great stuff except it's not really Bush's big lie as he's probably not high enough in the hierachy to be involved.
Well, Bush was "commander in chief on 911", so for now anyway, he's the obvious "target"...imho. :)

abababba
23-06-2009, 03:43 PM
It might be interesting to try to challenge the change on Wikipedia, then they would have to explain themselves. Risky though.

ronisron
23-06-2009, 03:46 PM
Well, Bush was "commander in chief on 911", so for now anyway, he's the obvious "target"...imho. :)

Bush was a lousy ventriloquist dummy. Nothing worked right on that guy. He was SO cocky when he first came into office, but left a broken man.

tortoise
23-06-2009, 03:49 PM
that was a really interesting read and just cemented my belief that there is a massive coverup on 9/11 - Thank you for posting

tusme
23-06-2009, 03:58 PM
Bush was a lousy ventriloquist dummy. Nothing worked right on that guy. He was SO cocky when he first came into office, but left a broken man.
:)...well, my focus is on 911 and his responsibility as US President on the day of 911...and of-course, the events which led up to it, and after...!!

cruise4
23-06-2009, 04:06 PM
Very interesting. Cheers.

wakeuptime
23-06-2009, 04:39 PM
Thanks for this great post. I wonder if AA is trying to cover their tracks so they don't get caught in a direct lie once the truth comes out.

cruise4
23-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Fat chance. They are well in the frame.

pduffy4
23-06-2009, 05:28 PM
crash and brun my little Bush friend :)

Burn bushy, burn!
http://scienceblogs.com/clock/upload/2007/06/burning%20Bush.jpg
hahahaha:D

hadabusa
23-06-2009, 05:29 PM
i guess this makes the noplanestheory a bit less crazy.
somebody contact a smart lawyer who can bring this to court.
georgie,if this comes out,im affraid you and everyone you know will,uh, its gonna be ugly and INSTANT end to your nwo.

hadabusa
23-06-2009, 05:40 PM
imagine how they will point fingers and give every single collaborator name away.
bush isnt the one to prosecute for planing, but itsa start.
let him sign his own dearhwarrant,hes experienced at that.
i see many witnesses commiting suicide by shooting themselves 3times in the head etc.
maybe AA will change its story, after the bosses are being showed zapruderclips from new angles.

veritasvoice
23-06-2009, 05:46 PM
This is great stuff except it's not really Bush's big lie as he's probably not high enough in the hierachy to be involved.

This really. I wouldn't put it past the paymasters to have stuck Bush, Cheney and Obama out there as Judas goats; let the big public figures take the fall, and the shadow governments and corporate elites continue business as usual with their replacements.

sidlittle
23-06-2009, 07:21 PM
Go on 'Existentialist Cowboy' !! You're nearly there!!.. Just a little bit further..!!

No Flights...yes...yess.. No PL.. No PLA...GO ON!!! NO PLLLLA.... You've almost got it!!..

""GLOBAL HAWK TECHNOLOGY"" !!!!!



Doh!


So close. No cigar.

ronisron
23-06-2009, 07:22 PM
:)...well, my focus is on 911 and his responsibility as US President on the day of 911...and of-course, the events which led up to it, and after...!!

I understand, it's just that beyond being part of the "gang" of perpetrators, I don't think he had much swing. He's compliant, guilty by association, and deserves to be punished along with the whole cabal, but we are talking about a man who never earned a thing, and was given everything by his Dad. 2 rigged elections, a cabinet full of criminals that were Bush family cronies....his job at Halliburton, governorship, his ownership of the baseball team, all given to him by his Dad.

My remark was how he came into office as cocksure as anyone who's been given everything can be, and all the self assuredness of believing he was on the winning team. He left being the most despised President in history. He seems to have aged 20 years in 8.

As for AA, why wouldn't this info have come out, say, Sept 12th 2001?? As in "Uhh... wait a second, neither of those planes were in the air yesterday morning..." Why wait until now?? This may be a sign that after all these years, the PTB are thinking that the cat is out of the bag, and some folks at AA are trying to distance themselves from 9/11 so folks will continue to use their air service. They were the same airline who made a big deal about the ability to have successful air to ground cell phones transmission, in partnership with Qualcomm.....and this info came out in 2004. The "cell phone calls" were the reason everyone knew about the hijackers on 9/11.

tusme
23-06-2009, 09:42 PM
I understand, it's just that beyond being part of the "gang" of perpetrators, I don't think he had much swing. He's compliant, guilty by association, and deserves to be punished along with the whole cabal, but we are talking about a man who never earned a thing, and was given everything by his Dad. 2 rigged elections, a cabinet full of criminals that were Bush family cronies....his job at Halliburton, governorship, his ownership of the baseball team, all given to him by his Dad.

My remark was how he came into office as cocksure as anyone who's been given everything can be, and all the self assuredness of believing he was on the winning team. He left being the most despised President in history. He seems to have aged 20 years in 8.

As for AA, why wouldn't this info have come out, say, Sept 12th 2001?? As in "Uhh... wait a second, neither of those planes were in the air yesterday morning..." Why wait until now?? This may be a sign that after all these years, the PTB are thinking that the cat is out of the bag, and some folks at AA are trying to distance themselves from 9/11 so folks will continue to use their air service. They were the same airline who made a big deal about the ability to have successful air to ground cell phones transmission, in partnership with Qualcomm.....and this info came out in 2004. The "cell phone calls" were the reason everyone knew about the hijackers on 9/11.
With all due respect, Ronisron...the question simply is, if "Flight's 11 & 77 were not flying on 911", where are they now...!? :confused: :)

mynameis
23-06-2009, 11:12 PM
HI !

Just want to warn you that some debunker found flight informations for 2001 on the BTS website. Maybe you should check this (copy/past of the debunker post) :

Go to the BTS inquiry page. ( http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml )

Check "All statistics".

Flight 175 regularly flew out of San Francisco, so choose that as the Origin Airport.

Choose United Airlines as the airline.

Check September for the month.

Check All Days to see information for all of September.

Check 2001 for the year.

Click Submit. And wait (that's a big query).

When it comes back, use your browser to search for Flight 175's tail number, N612UA. And look! It flew out of SF on the 1st, the 5th, the 7th, and the 10th, and (surprise surprise) there are no further flights.

So, the BTS database tells us that there were recorded flights for Flight 175 after 2000. There's no evidence this plane was "grounded" at all. I've not checked the other flights, but does anyone want to bet there aren't records of September 2001 flights for those, too? ---by Onegus @ 911 blogger.com

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20456?page=2

Updated...

According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks, while no pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA).

However, a discovered searchable online BTS database produces the following search results for three of the four 9/11 aircraft on September 10, 2001:

AA 11 departs San Francisco (SFO): AA 09/10/2001 0198 (flight number) N334AA (tail number) BOS (destination) 22:04 (wheels-off time)

UA 175 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0170 (flight number) N612UA (tail number) BOS (destination) 13:44 (wheels-off time)

UA 93 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0078 (flight number) N591UA (tail number) EWR (destination) 23:15 (wheels-off time)
http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml

AA11: http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/88Badmachine88/AABTS.jpg
UA 175 and UA 93: http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/88Badmachine88/UABTS.jpg


wikiscanner entry dated: Revision as of 19:30, 25 April 2006

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Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=50132865

Not necessarily groundbreaking...

christophera
24-06-2009, 06:27 AM
[INDENT]WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11.


This is great stuff except it's not really Bush's big lie as he's probably not high enough in the hierachy to be involved.

That fact and the other that AA changed something at Wikipedia could be psyops sensation ploy serving as chaff or distraction.

tusme, was that image of bush & blood your idea?

helloperator
24-06-2009, 06:53 AM
Someone updated a wiki entry and that's the proof that the planes didn't exist?

deem
24-06-2009, 07:09 AM
He's as guilty as sin. The event enabled him to bring to the fore the antiterrorism policies he'd been planing and the invasion of Iraq which they'd been planing. If your going to liberate a people you dont go into their libraries afterwards and steal all of their valueble books and sacred texts. Thats more about destroying their culture and instaling your own.

helloperator
24-06-2009, 07:20 AM
Remember, he's a front man...

christophera
24-06-2009, 07:40 AM
Remember, he's a front man...

Uh huh, ...... in fact there is an entire stage full of them in the puppet theatre they've created.

Puppetry goes further on the web than ever before where information is very easy to use/share. Active misinformation potential is huge.

Consider it is fully possible to read and write without using the left brain and not know it, or when speaking and listening the left brain must be used for the most part unless material is engrained with rote memorization. Accordingly people might easily be induced to not utilize reason and logic more easily with writing than with speech.

Add a video with hypnotic repetition and a trance state could easily be and IS often created if a person does not realize what is happening to them.

tusme
24-06-2009, 08:49 AM
That fact and the other that AA changed something at Wikipedia could be psyops sensation ploy serving as chaff or distraction.

tusme, was that image of bush & blood your idea?
Interesting "psyops", leaving an IP trail straight to American Airlines...!? :confused: :)

Follow the link (at the bottom of the post), you might find your answer there... ;) :)

lizzy
24-06-2009, 11:09 AM
hi tusme.........great OP and links...the Existentialist Cowboy looks good. ;)

tusme
24-06-2009, 02:46 PM
hi tusme.........great OP and links...the Existentialist Cowboy looks good. ;)
Hey Lizzy...!! :)

Yep, the "Existentialist Cowboy" is a brilliant analyst of geo-politics and World News...my visits (to his website) are less frequent these days, but, he's still a very good commentator/source...imho. :)

leviathanstaar
24-06-2009, 03:08 PM
I dont like Bush either but......


His masters though own the media that will just say:

"it flew, dont be a nutt"

And also, you dont arrest bloodlines. The very people trying to arrest him would just be wiped out.

For instance if Bush was in any danger, Henry Kissinger would have been in prison a long time ago.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade of Bush deserving it, he sure does : /

ronisron
24-06-2009, 03:33 PM
With all due respect, Ronisron...the question simply is, if "Flight's 11 & 77 were not flying on 911", where are they now...!? :confused: :)

Of course, I just wonder why it took so long for them to mention this fact. I think it's possible those planes were either blown up, dismantled, or just retrofitted and registered as other planes. There are a lot of empty blanks that need filling in.

I've assumed for a long time now that they were empty, remote flown, military planes at the WTC's, a Global Hawk at the Pentagon, and an air to ground missile at the Shanksville site. It's also possible that a plane flew over the Pentagon and fired a missile, and that a plane was shot down in PA that day, just not at Shanksville. Lots of eyewitnesses claim that a passenegr type plane was shot down after flying very low to the ground.

I would really like to know what happened to all the planes and passengers. If 11 and 77 didn't fly that day, then I'm interested to see what the revision to the Official Story will be, if they choose to address it at all.

tusme
24-06-2009, 03:39 PM
I dont like Bush either but......


His masters though own the media that will just say:

"it flew, dont be a nutt"

And also, you dont arrest bloodlines. The very people trying to arrest him would just be wiped out.

For instance if Bush was in any danger, Henry Kissinger would have been in prison a long time ago.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade of Bush deserving it, he sure does : /
Hi Leviathanstaar,

The issue is not about liking them or not...it's about Truth...!!

That we all have a responsibility, regardless of whether for or against us, towards Truth...!! Else, how could we (mankind) ever expect to be set free...!?

Truth belongs to no-one...but, is our sole purpose in this existence...!!

For various reasons, not excluding the bloodlines and their minions, we (mankind) have been mislead throughout history...and thus also, lost the understandng of that purpose...hence, the dire existence we find ourselves living today...and, in fear of these evil people...!!

...or, is it your wish that their evil ways continue through another 1000 years of the same :eek:...the choice is ours...!?

tusme
24-06-2009, 03:52 PM
Of course, I just wonder why it took so long for them to mention this fact. I think it's possible those planes were either blown up, dismantled, or just retrofitted and registered as other planes. There are a lot of empty blanks that need filling in.

I've assumed for a long time now that they were empty, remote flown, military planes at the WTC's, a Global Hawk at the Pentagon, and an air to ground missile at the Shanksville site. It's also possible that a plane flew over the Pentagon and fired a missile, and that a plane was shot down in PA that day, just not at Shanksville. Lots of eyewitnesses claim that a passenegr type plane was shot down after flying very low to the ground.

I would really like to know what happened to all the planes and passengers. If 11 and 77 didn't fly that day, then I'm interested to see what the revision to the Official Story will be, if they choose to address it at all.
Hi Ronisron,

Focussing on all those possibilities, as important as they may be, imho, is handing them the advantage...unfortunately!!

I'm just wondering, with "all these facts" now seemingly in "free-flow" from somewhere, is perhaps their way of making some concession to the "masses"...so as to get us off their backs...and they, happily continuing with their NWO agenda...know what I mean...!? :confused:

Hmm, as the saying goes, it's the "waiting game"...thankfully, Truth cannot be tricked...and knows everything...!! :)

ronisron
24-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Hi Ronisron,

Focussing on all those possibilities, as important as they may be, imho, is handing them the advantage...unfortunately!!

I'm just wondering, with "all these facts" now seemingly in "free-flow" from somewhere, is perhaps their way of making some concession to the "masses"...so as to get us off their backs...and they, happily continuing with their NWO agenda...know what I mean...!? :confused:

Hmm, as the saying goes, it's the "waiting game"...thankfully, Truth cannot be tricked...and knows everything...!! :)

Yes I think they throw us some truth along with the shite just to keep it going. What you're saying is why I think certain "sub theories" are irrelevant and actually do more harm than good. It's also why I wonder about the timing of the release of this info from AA.

All I know from what I've observed, is that the WTC buildings were all demolished by explosives in a controlled way, no plane hit the Pentagon, and that it took the collusion of Intelligence agencies, government and military to pull it off. I believe the Official explanation is a lie, and the 9/11 Commission and hearings were a farce.

tusme
24-06-2009, 10:32 PM
Yes I think they throw us some truth along with the shite just to keep it going. What you're saying is why I think certain "sub theories" are irrelevant and actually do more harm than good. It's also why I wonder about the timing of the release of this info from AA.

All I know from what I've observed, is that the WTC buildings were all demolished by explosives in a controlled way, no plane hit the Pentagon, and that it took the collusion of Intelligence agencies, government and military to pull it off. I believe the Official explanation is a lie, and the 9/11 Commission and hearings were a farce.
Well, it's nearly 8 years on since 911, I have long since "given-up" debating (911) details...co's it only gives debunkers yet more opportunity to "muddy the waters"... :)

911 was an inside job...!! 3000+ innocent Americans have been killed and millions more in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo & GOD alone knows where else, ever since...until the Truth is revealed, the World will never know Peace...not while those psychopathic mass-murders are free to carry out such heinous crimes again, it won't...!! :(

ronisron
24-06-2009, 10:36 PM
Well, it's nearly 8 years on since 911, I have long since "given-up" debating (911) details...co's it only gives debunkers yet more opportunity to "muddy the waters"... :)

911 was an inside job...!! 3000+ innocent Americans have been killed and millions more in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo & GOD alone knows where else, ever since...until the Truth is revealed, the World will never know Peace...not while those psychopathic mass-murders are free to carry out such heinous crimes again, it won't...!! :(

Agreed.

christophera
25-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Interesting "psyops", leaving an IP trail straight to American Airlines...!? :confused: :)

Follow the link (at the bottom of the post), you might find your answer there... ;) :)

Was the use of blood & bush image your idea or someone elses?

tusme
25-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Was the use of blood & bush image your idea or someone elses?
It's the second time you asked the same question...what does it matter, whether it's was my idea or not...!? :confused:

dancing_with_durga
27-06-2009, 08:18 PM
I take another angle on the overview of 9-11. When you look at the whole thing analytically, it doesn't take very long to realise that the official story is not true, and that the perpetrators were deep inside the Establishment. Whilst the exact methodology is unclear - disinfo makes that so - a plot from deep within is obvious, ridiculously so in fact. I think this has been done deliberately.

For example, the alleged hijackers' names not appearing on the passenger lists of the flights. That would be so easy to fake wouldn't it? Also the lack of cctv from the airports that the alleged hijackers allegedly used to board the flights. Sending the patsies there and releasing footage of them wandering round the airport would be a powerful piece of visual evidence/disinfo, yet no cctv was released, and as the BBC later reported that eight of the alleged nineteen were still alive, it is clear that they had not been there in the first place. Had this been a criminal enquiry, they haven't even managed, even bothered actually, to place the suspects at the scene of the crime. Then the BBC, (which famously announced the collapse of WT7 while it still stood in full view behind the reporter) told us it was a lie anyway! That can't just be sloppy, it had to be deliberately done that way. There are so many examples of blatant falsehoods and impossibilities that you don't need me to list them all.

So what's that all about? I believe it was done to show their power, to blatantly do it right in front of our faces to emphasise that they can do just what they want - and get away with it. They know that there is a great lump of unthinking humanity out there, plugged into their media who will accept (and take ownership of and defend in fact) any Big Lies they choose to tell them, however implausible, however ridiculous. Of course millions of people have seen through it, they were supposed to, but so what? Is there anyone left on the planet that thinks that Oswald, acting alone, assassinated Kennedy? Even my mum doesn't! Has that murder ever been properly resolved, has justice been done in that case? Serial killers often like to taunt the cops, believing in their madness that they are superior and will never be caught. The same principle applies here, it's part of the psycopathy.

Sorry if that's a bit gloomy, but let's face it, they own the system and they are not going to prosecute themselves are they? When change comes, and I do think it will, it will not be through their system, it will be something far more fundamental.

Having said all that, it is an excellent spot OP! I'm not trying to suggest that piecing together the puzzle is an exercise in futility, far from it, because for those of us on the right side principles of integrity and justice are important ones, and they need to be exercised. It is important to compile evidence, you never know, even though at this point it is hard to see how, we might just get our day in court! So I'm sure I don't need to remind you to copy the OP's info, save it, then back it up preferably somewhere safe offline.

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freedomfactor
29-06-2009, 07:10 PM
well said dancing with durga, the official story is so ludicrous. But I believe that if more and more people realise it, it will create a shift. Our aim should be just to open up the eyes of as many people as we can