Arrested for asking a policeman his badge number

[krakhead]

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/jun/21/fit-watch-kingsnorth-arrests/

:mad:

[gilly]

When the police pull stunts like this, it it would seem to me that they should be sacked, and prosecuted for assault and wrongful arrest, or actually kidnapping, since they didn't let them see their solicitor straight away.

Bastards!

[jammasterj13]

This is really disturbing, more so than the Taser Taser Taser video.

God, sadistic motherfuckers. It's like they are rounding up stray dogs. WTF!

The WPCs are even worse, justifying the PC's actions. You'd think being female they'd have more compassion.:mad:

Whats scary, is the filth make up charges as they go along. WTF?

As British people we've brought this on ourselves with our apathy and general 'I'm alright Jack I don't care about you' atittude.

[flyermay]

Is there anything more pathetic than being a police officer?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2900

[redkop]

what in earth have we done to let our country slide into the arms of scum like these. Thatcher (spit) knew what she was doing when she bought them off.
Now we have thugs in black uniforms doing this... oh wait didnt someone else start like this?:mad:

[drhemp]

Fascist pigs, but to be expected given that Labour have been turning this country into a police state, this is what you get in police states.

I wonder if the Nazis in our Government are proud of their achievement?

[yozhik]

That truly is disgusting.

Obstructing a police officer????
WTF :mad:

Where was the obstruction???
Better question is; where were the police officers? because I sure as fuck didn't see any police officers ... I saw a pack of rabid thugs, violently assaulting innocent members of the public whilst they peacefully exercised their rights ... but obstruction of a police officer?

They're just taking the piss ... which is evidenced by their charges being withdrawn.

So now they intimidate, threaten, assault, incarcerate for FOUR DAYS ... and then .... nothing?

THIS is terrorism.
Plain and simple.

What these uniformed thugs did and are allowed to do, is terrorism.

They should be arrested and charged under the applicable laws.

[kisatu]

Disgusting. And because they think they are unaccountable always they push and push and take advantage of people.

I say again, disgusting.

[void]

What is 'good' here, is that the tendency of the Police now to photograph and film everyone, has actually backfired on them here as evidence 'against' them. Truth is, the police love doing it to us, but can't stand it when it's turned on them. The woman in the video is right that this goes on, because we let it go on. Police in some areas of this country have almost become a paramilitary movement. It bears no resemblence even to the Peelers of the Victorian era.

Prior to 1829, Britain didn't actually have an organized police 'force'.

Food for thought.

[januspolanski]

Yes we truly live in a great country dont we, with the right to protest.Hmmmmm

[flyermay]

It is an absolute shame that these bastards are allowed to detain anyone they want under any outrageous charge, hold them for 3 days in a prison, and then simply setting them free without out even really charging them of anything.

This behaviour will continue while they are allowed these tactics of intimidation without any consequences.

[drhemp]

Why is this story buried in the Environment section of the Guardian's website, rather than prominently on the front page?

[yozhik]

Just a suggestion ... send this video to your local MP and congratulate him/her on being part of the herd that ushered in these "laws", on his/her watch.

[drhemp]

Just a suggestion ... send this video to your local MP and congratulate him/her on being part of the herd that ushered in these "laws", on his/her watch.

A great suggestion, email already sent to Anthony Steen.

[entrainment]

Just a suggestion ... send this video to your local MP and congratulate him/her on being part of the herd that ushered in these "laws", on his/her watch.

I wonder if it would be worth emailing all local police stations asking what our rights are when asking for a law enforment officer (not sure whos law & agenda they serve though) to show his/her identity number. Can we ask them to show thier number? can we take photographic evidence of non complient officers? can we expect to be detained without bail for making said request? etc etc etc :confused:

[the itinerant shrubber]

There were more people than policemen. Policemen are our equals so why didnt anyone try and stop their mates from being trussed up like a turkey?

Because we see police as authority and we submit before authority. Thats why the NWO will win. Nobody is changing their attitudes. We still think we're inferior. They have won.

[flyermay]

There were more people than policemen. Policemen are our equals so why didnt anyone try and stop their mates from being trussed up like a turkey?

I'm not sure how exactly you intend to have stopped them, but doing so would be at least assault to a police officer and obstruction of justice (this time for real).

Turning a peaceful protest into an act of violence is exactly the excuse they want to brutally end the protest. Why give them the pleasure, when there is no chance of success against those well armed and trained bastards.

Because we see police as authority and we submit before authority. Thats why the NWO will win. Nobody is changing their attitudes. We still think we're inferior. They have won.

I think that they are praying for us to violently rebel against them. It would be the perfect excuse to impose martial law.

[soxism]

Firstly... My Cousin and best friend are police officers here in Australia...

I forwarded the link to them and even they are Disgusted at how the police conducted themselfves..

I know for a FACT it is NOT iilegal to Film the police or take photos of them.. the Law even states that in short "NO ONE, has the Right to Object to their photo being taken" this works both in regards to surveillance (Police etc) and counter surveillance (the people).. and EVERY Police office MUST Identify themselfves before being able to make requests..

Of course they dropped the charges because they knew they were in the wrong...

Of course not all police are Bad, far from it... I Just wish there was a way to break some police away from their robotic programing, i know they are "Just doing their job", but you have to draw the line somewhere.. Without the Robot police & Army the NWO agenda will never be able to control us

[flyermay]

Of course not all police are Bad, far from it... I Just wish there was a way to break some police away from their robotic programing, i know they are "Just doing their job", but you have to draw the line somewhere.. Without the Robot police & Army the NWO agenda will never be able to control us

But every single police office cover for each other and comply with orders, whether they are just and ethic or not.

What difference does it make if someone is a good man when his job includes abusing and repressing others.

[yozhik]

It might be the smallest of detail, but there was one point in the movie that really infuriated me and summed up the utter arrogance of the uniformed thugs and their obvious contempt for the public ...

It was when she yelled at him and said, "you're on my foot!" ... to which he replied, "no I'm not" and continued to keep his boot firmly placed atop her foot, where it had always been.

The fact that it was deliberate.
The fact he had no regard for her concerns or the pain he was inflicting; in fact, he went out of his way to sustain it.
The fact he had zero hesitation in lying - even when his actions were being caught on camera.

This summed everything up, in a simple act, lasting a few seconds.

Deliberate infliction of sustained pain, with no regard for the truth and no care for consequences ... because he believed there were no "consequences"; he is a uniformed God. He is mightier. More worthy. He has authority. He must be obeyed. His word is law.

He believed that it would never come to light; that the video was a "police video" and would be used by the police, for the police.
If it wasn't footage to be used for prosecution, it would make its way into the "police entertainment" library; bought out for social occasions, edited together and watched when "the lads" are having a few beers and some alcohol fuelled laughs at their clever and unchecked abuse of the general riff raff, who failed to bow down to the glory of their superior powers ...

"I'm not standing on your foot ..."

How the fuck could he even think about uttering this?
Asshole ... :mad:

[dreamweaver]

Disgraceful. :mad:

[glacidtek]

disgusting.... we are in a police state.

resistance is fertile.

[flyermay]

It might be the smallest of detail, but there was one point in the movie that really infuriated me and summed up the utter arrogance of the uniformed thugs and their obvious contempt for the public ...

It was when she yelled at him and said, "you're on my foot!" ... to which he replied, "no I'm not" and continued to keep his boot firmly placed atop her foot, where it had always been.

The fact that it was deliberate.
The fact he had no regard for her concerns or the pain he was inflicting; in fact, he went out of his way to sustain it.
The fact he had zero hesitation in lying - even when his actions were being caught on camera.

This summed everything up, in a simple act, lasting a few seconds.

Deliberate infliction of sustained pain, with no regard for the truth and no care for consequences ... because he believed there were no "consequences"; he is a uniformed God. He is mightier. More worthy. He has authority. He must be obeyed. His word is law.

He believed that it would never come to light; that the video was a "police video" and would be used by the police, for the police.
If it wasn't footage to be used for prosecution, it would make its way into the "police entertainment" library; bought out for social occasions, edited together and watched when "the lads" are having a few beers and some alcohol fuelled laughs at their clever and unchecked abuse of the general riff raff, who failed to bow down to the glory of their superior powers ...

"I'm not standing on your foot ..."

How the fuck could he even think about uttering this?
Asshole ... :mad:

That's what I find as the most pathetic and disturbing issue of those who decide to join the police. They don't only protect the interests of their own masters, but they also enjoy doing it.

[krakhead]

My 'favourite' bit is when, although not resisting or struggling, after holding her head up to the camera, the policeman then decides to 'pressure point' her while walking her away. No provocation caused him to do this, just pure, unadulterated thuggery.

What is it that causes, I'm sure, otherwise 'decent' people to act in such away once they put a uniform on? I know several policemen who, when out of work are ok people. What is missing in their lives to make them want to act in such a manner? :confused:

[elysiumfire]

Having watched the video it is obvious that the surveillance unit being filmed by the protestors are a different squad of police, with their own policing tactics to that of their 'normal' police colleagues who we see on the street everyday. They are a tactical unit, of which I am suspicious of them actually being 'police' at all, but possibly private security personel (like a mild UK version of Blackwater) working in conjunction with the police. The fact that they had no warrant numbers to identify them as police (and no, wearing a uniform is not enough identification), by such factor, the protestors would have been in their right to resist arrest, until it was proven that they were indeed 'real' police, with 'real' authority...and that would mean displaying 'real' identification.

Surely the point of police identification, warrant card and numbers displayed on their uniform, are a necessary stipulation for the exercise of their warrant authority. I have asked for the identification of police on occassions (nothing for what I had done), and have been shown the warrant card, where I then become co-operative. A person is legally entitled to defend themselves against anyone depicting themselves as a cop, and whom cannot, or will not give identification.

I noticed in the 'comments' section of the Guardian, that this point was not given, and also that a number of comment posters supported the actions of the police in the video by the flimsiest of excuses. That kind of mentality is despairing.

[drhemp]

I believe also this kind of stuff is done to see how much they can get away with. The information is put out there for us to see and for them to gauge what the public outcry is.

Now this is in the open area, and apart from the usual places, such as Icke's forum, there is no widespread public condemnation, they will think, oh good, we can get away with this kind of behavior.

[wildhorse]

There have been points made in other similar threads that this is just a ploy to get us all to hate the police, and welcome the soldiers when Martial Law kicks in. Maybe it is, but I do think it goes much deeper than this.

the thumb in the pressure point was unnecessary, as she was not being aggressive. It was just using his trainning to inflict pain, as was the foot incident. The cameraman did not go to move to show her feet when she requested...if the thug in question was not on her foot in his big safety style boots, then surely the camerman would want to portray her as just a looney eco warrior lying ? Baiscally, he was crushing her foot, and like has been said, his arrogance and utter disregard for his own brutality he was using is very worrying.

I do not set out to hate the police...I judge/discern others on their actions, and well, what I can I say? I see bullyboys not humans who want to make the world a better place.

[ennui]

Scum.

Police automatically view all protesters as criminals. We are not criminals. It is legal to protest in this country. Get that through your thick heads.

[kingmob]

Scum.

Police automatically view all protesters as criminals. We are not criminals. It is legal to protest in this country. Get that through your thick heads.

I've noticed that I am automatically filled with negativity and all kinds of bad and aggresive thoughts towards police force, whenever I see or encounter them anywhere. Its pretty fucking sad, considering that I do realize that they are just people too.

[yozhik]

I've noticed that I am automatically filled with negativity and all kinds of bad and aggresive thoughts towards police force, whenever I see or encounter them anywhere. Its pretty fucking sad, considering that I do realize that they are just people too.

Don't feel guilty ... this is a fact THEY have forgotten too.

[apekteina lordosis]

1.34 in- "camera recording" aka watch out lads i'm filming this don't be too rough.

[decim]

Coppers have been this way since their inauguration, their remit is to own the streets.

[musics]

Absolutely disgusting

[largejack]

I just feel so totally depressed at the moment. I can believe how spineless and stupid we've all become, and I can't believe we're going to allow NAZI Germany to happen all over again.

[mrmoney]

Looks like this stuff doesn't just happen in Iran.

There's such an overload of news right now. We can't allow any news story to be deemed less-worthy. With this onslaught of abuses by the governments of the world, we must not allow any to slip by.

[largejack]

I just feel so totally depressed at the moment. I can believe how spineless and stupid we've all become.

We need to set up organisations in every part of the country or something? We need to meet up in groups of like minded people, and swell our ranks that way, the internet won't be around for much longer in its current form anyway.

[adzboarder]

Bastards. Tase them all.

[apekteina lordosis]

I just feel so totally depressed at the moment. I can believe how spineless and stupid we've all become.

We need to set up organisations in every part of the country or something? We need to meet up in groups of like minded people, and swell our ranks that way, the internet won't be around for much longer in its current form anyway.

if a dvd of the content of this forum (minus some of the more "fun" threads and sub-forums) were available i'd certainly be up for purchasing a copy. i dunno would it all fit on one dvd or maybe a couple... anyhows just thinking it has a wealth of info that would be useful should the internet as we know it the now end up getting replaced with some shite web2 malarky. i shall pm a forum advisor see if they can make enquiries...

[steppewar]

These arrested women work for Fitwatch. The pig force hates them because they document their unlawful activites.

The filthy pig force in the UK now are just violent scum bags, most of them should be in jail.

http://fitwatch.blogspot.com/

[yozhik]

Just a random thought ... to illustrate how invasive the programming is ...

The title of the thread is; "Arrested for asking a policeman his badge number"

I'm not criticising the OP, because we have all been incensed by this video and yet not one of us has asked the question or raised the point ... "arrested"? Who gives a fuck about the "arrest" part of the video?

It's the ASSAULT that is the disgusting aspect.

"Assaulted for asking a policeman his badge number"

Isn't that the truth of the matter?
Are we all so desensitised that we can't see the assault; our mind is concentrated on the arrest?
How have we got to this?

[pduffy4]

What the hell was that pig doing with his hand on her throat?!:mad:

The pigs are as corrupt as they are violent.

The Police state will apply to them as well and their families. They won't be so bloody smart when foreign pigs [EU] are brought into the UK and beat the shit out of their families, wonder how the pigs will like that.:mad:

[kanz]

There were more people than policemen. Policemen are our equals so why didnt anyone try and stop their mates from being trussed up like a turkey?

Because we see police as authority and we submit before authority. Thats why the NWO will win. Nobody is changing their attitudes. We still think we're inferior. They have won.

Not really many ways you can stop them, putting your hands on the police would not be a wise move.

[pduffy4]

Firstly... My Cousin and best friend are police officers here in Australia...

I forwarded the link to them and even they are Disgusted at how the police conducted themselfves..

I know for a FACT it is NOT iilegal to Film the police or take photos of them.. the Law even states that in short "NO ONE, has the Right to Object to their photo being taken" this works both in regards to surveillance (Police etc) and counter surveillance (the people).. and EVERY Police office MUST Identify themselfves before being able to make requests..

Of course they dropped the charges because they knew they were in the wrong...

Of course not all police are Bad, far from it... I Just wish there was a way to break some police away from their robotic programing, i know they are "Just doing their job", but you have to draw the line somewhere.. Without the Robot police & Army the NWO agenda will never be able to control us

It is illegal now to video or photograph the police in the UK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7888301.stm

Bloody bastards! This is so we can't obtain evidence of the crimes of Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::m ad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x426174

[whitenight639]

does nyone know if MI5 hve bdge number like norml police becuse its not unknown for intelligence services to monitor eco protesters, especilly ones that go against the grian.


They were obviously trying to scare them off continuing to monitor there activities, its discracefull.

If we hd guns in the UK this kind or unlwfull arrest kidnapping and detention might be harder for them.

[wildhorse]

pduffy, great...^

all in the tha name of terrorism naturally....

it is they who are the terrorists, and they who we should be protected from

bastards...they were itching for that legalise to come in :mad:

this is not good

[jesuitsdidit]

not viewed entirely

maybe a ptb agent
out to discredit police

watch out police they have some clever tricks
n they want 'the people' to hate you
to lose faith in the state..

always be professional and you'll be safe
root out the bad apples

coz 1 bad apple means there may be others
dont play ptbopoly
its a dangerous game..

[jesuitsdidit]

It is illegal now to video or photograph the police in the UK.

correct
but it wasnt the police
which created that law


it was ptb..
think outside the box ppl..

[flyermay]

correct
but it wasnt the police
which created that law

it was ptb..
think outside the box ppl..

IMHO the ones who support and enforce the laws are as guilty as the ones who create them.

[lizzy]

IMHO the ones who support and enforce the laws are as guilty as the ones who create them.

yes.......and the ones who created the laws created the preverse mindset in an increasing number of cops.....

[picsey]

It all looks like an act to me. Actors. Someone sent it to me this morning and I couldn't watch it all. They want us to see this. You have to ask why? If it was 'real' it would be covered up IMO.

[flyermay]

yes.......and the ones who created the laws created the preverse mindset in an increasing number of cops.....

Exactly... creating laws woudn't sufice; you also need to create the law enforcer.

It would be of no use having normal human beings to enforce the law, as they could make their own judgment of what is right and wrong. So the only solution is to brainwash those who wouldn't be able to get a decent job to take any orders; no matter how unjust they are.

[yozhik]

correct
but it wasnt the police
which created that law


it was ptb..
think outside the box ppl..

you don't need to think outside the box.

The police act out on the laws provided to them; they are willing accomplices.
Noone forces them to do what they do.
The choice of how to deal with that situation in the video was in the hands of the policy enforcers.
They did not have to assault those women and inflict pain on them.
The policy enforcer could have given his number.
The rabid pack of thugs did not have to do what they did.

Just because the ptb give them the green light does NOT mean they have to use it.
This could have been handled differently; much differently.
There were many other options available to them.

Sorry ... I do not accept your blame shift to the ptb.
This is about the policy enforcers being responsible for their own decisions.

[yozhik]

It all looks like an act to me. Actors. Someone sent it to me this morning and I couldn't watch it all. They want us to see this. You have to ask why? If it was 'real' it would be covered up IMO.

Actors?
Are you taking the piss?
If it wasn't "real" as you suggest, it would not be in the hands of the independent police complaints authority.

[big_al]

The blonde one deserved it and I think Val Swain secretly enjoyed it.

[yozhik]

The blonde one deserved it and I think Val Swain secretly enjoyed it.

Ok looky ... its the resident police sponsored troll.
That post makes no sense, defies logic and is posted for no other reason than to intentionally and malisciously incite.

Please justify your comment.

[krakhead]

The blonde one deserved it and I think Val Swain secretly enjoyed it.

Hooray! Big Al's here! Yay! Let's look forward to my thread being properly discussed now then, none of this libertarian, 'the police should be there to serve us nonsense'! :D

They're all hippies who deserved what they got and shouldn't have been there in the first place, it wasn't a pressure point he was applying pressure to with no cause whatsoever, he was checking her pulse and/or removing a mung bean off her dribbling hippy chin! In any case, the policeman was right to have done it and was probably provoked and scared, bless him! :D

[krakhead]

Did anyone else notice the comment by the police cameraman just as the male 'watcher' shouts about having his neck stood on (or something like that)?

Cameraman loudly states that it is being filmed. Would this be to re-assure the aforesaid gentleman with a policeman on his neck? Or to warn said policeman to 'back-off' a bit?

[yozhik]

Did anyone else notice the comment by the police cameraman just as the male 'watcher' shouts about having his neck stood on (or something like that)?

Cameraman loudly states that it is being filmed. Would this be to re-assure the aforesaid gentleman with a policeman on his neck? Or to warn said policeman to 'back-off' a bit?

Post #31

1.34 in- "camera recording" aka watch out lads i'm filming this don't be too rough.

Is this the incident you refer to?

[krakhead]

Post #31

Is this the incident you refer to?

That'll be the one! :o

I don't even read posts in my own thread properly! :rolleyes::D

[big_al]

Ok looky ... its the resident police sponsored troll.
That post makes no sense, defies logic and is posted for no other reason than to intentionally and malisciously incite.

Please justify your comment.

She was clearly obstructing the officers. I find it ironic that there complaining about badge less officers when they are all dressed in black hoodies with shades on.

Didn't you see how Val Swain sort of smiles when she talked about what happened? She looks more like she recollecting a pleasant memory - you know fondly looking down to her left. I used to know a woman who would purposely get herself arrested because she liked men in uniform and being arrested made here orgasm. Now the blond haired one - she didn't get off on it.

Your not going to throw teddy in the corner just because I have an opinion that varies from yours are you?

[gilly]

And how dare that brazen woman attack the poor policeman's fingertip with her neck like that. She should think herself damned lucky she's not being done for assault!

[yozhik]

She was clearly obstructing the officers. I find it ironic that there complaining about badge less officers when they are all dressed in black hoodies with shades on.

Didn't you see how Val Swain sort of smiles when she talked about what happened? She looks more like she recollecting a pleasant memory - you know fondly looking down to her left. I used to know a woman who would purposely get herself arrested because she liked men in uniform and being arrested made here orgasm. Now the blond haired one - she didn't get off on it.

Your not going to throw teddy in the corner just because I have an opinion that varies from yours are you?

Having an opinion is one thing.
Intentionally posting to incite, is trolling.

Suggesting that the policy enforcers violence was an act of eroticism for the victims is sick and offensive.



P.S. ... I don't wear a teddy. Do you? :rolleyes: ... would not be surprising given the sexual overtones of your previous posts. If I remember accurately; you were "called out" on those too. Wearing teddies? Being involved with women who find pleasure in being arrested? ... oh, and that other "little matter" that got your knickers in a twist not so long ago :rolleyes: ... such a colourful life for a forum troll.

[gripit]

And how dare that brazen woman attack the poor policeman's fingertip with her neck like that. She should think herself damned lucky she's not being done for assault!

...and did you see her crushing the bottom of his shoe with her foot??!! Bitch!

[flyermay]

... they are all dressed in black hoodies with shades on.


:eek: they should've been shot; not detained.

[big_al]

Having an opinion is one thing.
Intentionally posting to incite, is trolling.

Suggesting that the policy enforcers violence was an act of eroticism for the victims is sick and offensive.



P.S. ... I don't wear a teddy. Do you? :rolleyes: ... would not be surprising given the sexual tone of your previous posts.

Well sorry you don't agree with my amateurish cod psychology approach here but you asked me to justify it and I did. The facial expression of Val what's her face gave me the impression she almosted enjoyed it. Like it or not but there are people out there that do for some strange reason find it erotic, I cant explain why but they just do. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

Teddy as in teddy bear. I dont know what you are referring to when you say I got 'caught out' - perhaps you liked to PM me and tell me what you mean. As for the 'other little matter' you are referring to - don't be hypocrite and try and incite me after complaining my post was meant to incite and dont' try and bait me either.

If you don't like my opinion, ignore it.

[krakhead]

She was clearly obstructing the officers. I find it ironic that there complaining about badge less officers when they are all dressed in black hoodies with shades on.

Didn't you see how Val Swain sort of smiles when she talked about what happened? She looks more like she recollecting a pleasant memory - you know fondly looking down to her left. I used to know a woman who would purposely get herself arrested because she liked men in uniform and being arrested made here orgasm. Now the blond haired one - she didn't get off on it.

They don't have a duty to wear clothing that identifies them, the police do. Although you are right about how her face betrays her feelings - look at the video when she discusses how suddenly the police became 'violent and aggressive', see her face flush and hers eyes become 'glassy', see her gaze drop as if about to cry - obviously full of joy in recalling that happening to her.

And before you try to argue that point, I am a psychiatric nurse with over 14 years experience in 'reading' people - so I do have some clue as to what I'm discussing.

As for my previous question on this thread about how otherwise decent people can act in such a way - you have provided me with some great insight into how you can take a situation and twist what happened to enable it to appear that the police were 'obstructed', take the piss, don't allow the fact that these were people with feelings to come into the equation, good ol' boys just doing their jobs, difficult circumstances etc. etc. ad nauseum

[flyermay]

Well sorry you don't agree with my amateurish cod psychology approach here but you asked me to justify it and I did. The facial expression of Val what's her face gave me the impression she almosted enjoyed it. Like it or not but there are people out there that do for some strange reason find it erotic, I cant explain why but they just do. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

I heard some people using those arguments before; how you call them in English... oh, yes, rapists!!!

Only a psychopath could think a victim finds an act of violence enjoyable.

[big_al]

Idiotic logic as in idiot.

My impression of one of the people being interviewed. I'm exceptionally good at reading body language. That is one thing I must thank my time in the police for teaching me. If you don't agree with it then that's your hard cheese - don't try and force your view on mine.

[krakhead]

My impression of one of the people being interviewed. I'm exceptionally good at reading body language. That is one thing I must thank my time in the police for teaching me. If you don't agree with it then that's your hard cheese - don't try and force your view on mine.

Again -if you don't like my opinion, ignore it.

But you learned to 'read' people through the eyes of a police-officer. Looking for anything 'suspicious' - do you think this could lead you to see suspicious behaviors where there are none? Certainly my experience dealing with the police leads me to think this happens with the vast majority of officers.

[flyermay]

... I must thank my time in the police for teaching me.

It all makes sense now: where else could you find a psychopathic freemason? In the police force. :rolleyes:

[stickwhistler]

If you don't like my opinion, ignore it.

What an excellent idea.
Ignore big_al.
Thanks for that. :D

People who cal themselves 'big' usually have something small to hide! :p

[big_al]

Between 4:20 and 4:22. One officer has her restrained from the rear but not in pain. She's smiling at the police officers in front of her as she tries to kick his feet - she's really enjoying the experience - the interaction.

At 2:22 do you not notice how she smiles as she talks about 'being in a fair bit of discomfort'. Surely if it was such a painful memory you wouldn't be smiling about it would you? The blond one certainly isn't.

I'm sorry to say but there are people out their who deliberately provoke a situation in order to escalate it and their are genuinely some who get a sexual thrill from it.

[yozhik]

My impression of one of the people being interviewed. I'm exceptionally good at reading body language. That is one thing I must thank my time in the police for teaching me. If you don't agree with it then that's your hard cheese - don't try and force your view on mine.

Obviously you have failed to mention the lessons you received in;

beating up women for taking photos
applying pressure point holds to people who are handcuffed and offering no resistance just for the hell of more pain infliction
making up offences to suit yourself
intentionally inflicting pain and lying about it in the face of video evidence
incarcerating innocent people for 4 days, for no reason and without grounds for any charges to be laid.


All of this is evidenced by the thuggish behaviour of your ex-colleagues, which you obviously glean much pleasure from viewing. Good memories were they? Dragging out innocent people from legal protests? Especially women, right? Ever hit up on the elderly? Maybe some disabled people? Children?

Bet you wish you were back there, yes?
Beating up on women? Wow ... the adrenalin used to flow really hard and fast when you could do that, right? What a buzz ... yeah?
Boy ... you must miss it ... must have been like opium to you ... hard habit to break?

[krakhead]

Between 4:20 and 4:22. One officer has her restrained from the rear but not in pain. She's smiling at the police officers in front of her as she tries to kick his feet - she's really enjoying the experience - the interaction.

At 2:22 do you not notice how she smiles as she talks about 'being in a fair bit of discomfort'. Surely if it was such a painful memory you wouldn't be smiling about it would you? The blond one certainly isn't.

I'm sorry to say but there are people out their who deliberately provoke a situation in order to escalate it and their are genuinely some who get a sexual thrill from it.

Your first 2 points - we'll have to agree to disagree because although viewing the same material, it seems apparent it is through very different psychological filters.

As for your final point - details of a rare psychiatric disorder - are you going to rely on that and that alone, throughout any further discussion, as to why 3 people were assaulted by police officers (at least one of whom wasn't even properly identifiable as such) for doing nothing other than trying to take photos and records details of the police officers present - as they are perfectly entitled to do in law?

[yozhik]

there are people out their who deliberately provoke a situation in order to escalate it and their are genuinely some who get a sexual thrill from it.

Is this your signature tune?
The prologue to your autobiography?
The epitaph for your tombstone?
A confession?

I can almost see the drips of pleasure on your keyboard as you type this ...

[yozhik]

Your first 2 points - we'll have to agree to disagree because although viewing the same material, it seems apparent it is through very different psychological filters.

As for your final point - details of a rare psychiatric disorder - are you going to rely on that and that alone, throughout any further discussion, as to why 3 people were assaulted by police officers (at least one of whom wasn't even properly identifiable as such) for doing nothing other than trying to take photos and records details of the police officers present - as they are perfectly entitled to do in law?

Lets also not forget that a policy enforcer also ILLEGALLY REFUSED to identify himself when lawfully requested by a member of the public.

An illegal act which was then used as the premise for unjustified violent response from a rabid pack of thugs.

Fast forward 4 days ... THEY WERE RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE... i.e. the police action was UNJUSTIFIED and baseless, hence the charges now being brought against them.


big_al ... never let the truth get in the way of a good story, right?

[flyermay]

Fast forward 4 days ... THEY WERE RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE... i.e. the police action was UNJUSTIFIED and baseless, hence the charges now being brought against them.

I'm curious: what has happened (if anything), or what can happen, in a "free country" like England, to the perpetrators of this illegal kidnapping?

[big_al]

What an excellent idea.
Ignore big_al.
Thanks for that. :D

People who cal themselves 'big' usually have something small to hide! :p

Off topic but big_al was a nickname given to me in reference to the fact that I am built like a brick shit house and not my penis size. I'm comfortable with that as well and don't feel the need to discuss it.

I do note however the collective formation of a cliche who would like to bully me off the forum. Slightly ironic for this forum don't you think oh enlightened ones? That's a rhetorical question and I don't require an answer.

If you don't like it - tough. If you also don't like me then that's also tough. But dont start an argument then runaway.

That's what I think of the video. If it doesn't fit in with what you see then tough titty.

[krakhead]

I'm curious: what has happened (if anything), or what can happen, in a ‘free country’ like England, to the perpetrators of this illegal kidnapping?

As they were on remand I think it's unlikely anything can be done, if they'd been found guilty and sentenced for a crime for which the police had evidence that they were innocent of then they could sue for illegal imprisonment.

I think anyway, something along those lines :D

[big_al]

As for your final point - details of a rare psychiatric disorder - are you going to rely on that and that alone, throughout any further discussion, as to why 3 people were assaulted by police officers (at least one of whom wasn't even properly identifiable as such) for doing nothing other than trying to take photos and records details of the police officers present - as they are perfectly entitled to do in law?

Rare but exists, yes?

Yes I am. However Ive said my bit now and I'm leaving it at that. I'm not your soundboard for your bad experiences.

Lets also not forget that a policy enforcer also ILLEGALLY REFUSED to identify himself when lawfully requested by a member of the public.


Out of genuine curiosity please state the the statute that says a police officer must identify himself and its a crime not to do so. I'm not taking the piss..its a genuine question.

[wakeupworld]

Is there anything more pathetic than being a police officer?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2900

Pigs are intelligent and affectionate animals. Calling police officers pigs is definately an insult to pigs.

[flyermay]

As they were on remand I think it's unlikely anything can be done, if they'd been found guilty and sentenced for a crime for which the police had evidence that they were innocent of then they could sue for illegal imprisonment.

I think anyway, something along those lines :D

I was expecting that answer. :(

And that is the only reason why these thugs go around abusing, harassing and kidnapping anyone they don't like; because they know that nothing will happen to them for doing so.

I wouldn't have any problem with a police force, if they were all psychically balanced and highly educated (qualities desirable for any position of power). The problem is that the ones who apply for the job are usually those who have been abused in the past, are useless thugs that cannot find any other (decent) job, have a right-wing ideology who love arms and uniforms, and/or have a huge inferiority/superiority complex.

Pigs are intelligent and affectionate animals. Calling police officers pigs is definately an insult to pigs.

I find your complaint completely justified, and I apologize for this unforgivable mistake.

[21_12_2012]

Is there anything more pathetic than being a police officer?

Being a doctor.

[flyermay]

Being a doctor.

Unless you have a good reason for it; allow me to doubt it.

[stickwhistler]

Out of genuine curiosity please state the the statute that says a police officer must identify himself and its a crime not to do so. I'm not taking the piss..its a genuine question.

For those unfortunates who do not know about case law,
and feel that they are nearer the Great Architect than every one else.

Police Officers failing to give their name and Station before search.

Mustapha Osman v Southwark Crown Court

Judgment of the Court CO/2318/98; (1999) 1 July, Queen's Bench

Divisional Court

MR JUSTICE COLLINS:

"I would hold that the failure of the officers to supply details of their names and station rendered the search unlawful. The availability of information on the officer's lapels is in law neither here nor there; and in any case nothing that we know of suggests that these officers, uniquely, were carrying details of their names and station on their lapels. In the ordinary way, one would expect their numbers but no more to be visible there, and there is no different finding in this case."


I have been troubled by the findings of the Crown Court in this case. Section 2 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 has imposed a duty upon a constable, whether he is in uniform or not, to take reasonable steps before he commences the search to bring to the attention of the appropriate person the matters specified in sub-section (3) of section 2: that is to say, his name and the name of the police station to which he is attached;



And for future reference of the wannabe 'big' :rolleyes: guys .....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/21/police-protest-id-numbers
The new chief inspector of constabulary has told MPs that it is "utterly unacceptable" for police to disguise their identifying numbers while policing demonstrations.

Speaking after the suspensions, Sir Paul Stephenson, the Met Commissioner, said it was 'unacceptable' for officers not to wear their identification numbers.

He said: "I have made it absolutely clear that it is absolutely unacceptable for any officer who should have identification numbers on not to have those identification numbers on.

"All uniformed officers should display their collar numbers and, as you would expect, I have taken action in the Met to enforce this."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5251453/Nearly-half-of-police-officers-do-not-wear-shoulder-identification-on-front-line-duty.html
Denis O'Connor, the Inspector of Constabulary, who is conducting an official review into public order policing, said the public needed to be able to identify officers on duty.

He said: "People not wearing their numbers is utterly unacceptable. It's very clear-cut."

A spokesman for the Met said: 'Epaulettes with identifying letters and numerals or insignia of rank must be worn and must be correct and visible at all times.'

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23677372-details/Police+should+be+punished+for+covering+up+ID/article.do
MET commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson was told today he must discipline officers who have defied orders to identify themselves.

[yozhik]

Out of genuine curiosity please state the the statute that says a police officer must identify himself and its a crime not to do so. I'm not taking the piss..its a genuine question.

If a person presents themselves and states that I am under arrest, if there is no badge on display and they refuse to identify themselves as a police officer when questioned, how can I be sure that the person is in fact a police officer?

Heresay?
Trust?

There is no statute requirement; it comes down to police policy, which may be specific to a certain office ... but being an ex-uniformed thug - you will already know this, and no doubt well versed in how to exploit it.

But my question remains and is valid ... if there is no badge on display and a reasonable request asking the person claiming to be a police officer to identify themselves as such, is refused; how is the person to know that the claims of being a police officer is genuine and not just some sick bastard who is pretending to be one?

[big_al]

First you say:


Lets also not forget that a policy enforcer also ILLEGALLY REFUSED to identify himself when lawfully requested by a member of the public.

An illegal act which was then used as the premise for unjustified violent response from a rabid pack of thugs.


Then you say:




There is no statute requirement; it comes down to police policy, which may be specific to a certain office ...




So you were, in the first instance, wrong? What other misinformation are you spreading?

[yozhik]

So you were, in the first instance, wrong? What other misinformation are you spreading?

You need to learn to read.

Divisional Court

MR JUSTICE COLLINS:

"I would hold that the failure of the officers to supply details of their names and station rendered the search unlawful. The availability of information on the officer's lapels is in law neither here nor there; and in any case nothing that we know of suggests that these officers, uniquely, were carrying details of their names and station on their lapels. In the ordinary way, one would expect their numbers but no more to be visible there, and there is no different finding in this case."


What misinformation are YOU spreading?


Still waiting for an answer;
But my question remains and is valid ... if there is no badge on display and a reasonable request asking the person claiming to be a police officer to identify themselves as such, is refused; how is the person to know that the claims of being a police officer is genuine and not just some sick bastard who is pretending to be one?


But I have to keep reminding myself that you are the poster who expresses views that to pin a child against the wall for throwing a pen is acceptable ... anyone who condones physical child abuse as you have done in previous posts and your expressions here, that beating women is acceptable and justifiable "because the women find it sexually stimulating and erotic", is somewhat disturbing.

Expressions that child abuse is OK and expressing opinions that one would normally expect to hear from a psychopathic rapist ... "look at the smile on her face ... she obviously enjoyed it ..." :eek:

... and you were in the police force?
God help us all.

They are not the views and opinions of a healthy mind ... holding beliefs that physically assaulting children for "stroppy" behaviour and using a rapists justification for violence against women is really, REALLY worrying.

Does no mean yes big_al?
What is your opinion on that?

[big_al]

You need to learn to read.




What misinformation are YOU spreading?


Still waiting for an answer;



But I have to keep reminding myself that you are the poster who expresses views that to pin a child against the wall for throwing a pen is acceptable ... anyone who condones physical child abuse as you have done in previous posts and your expressions here, that beating women is acceptable and justifiable "because the women find it sexually stimulating and erotic", is somewhat disturbing.

Expressions that child abuse is OK and expressing opinions that one would normally expect to hear from a psychopathic rapist ... "look at the smile on her face ... she obviously enjoyed it ..." :eek:

... and you were in the police force?
God help us all.

They are not the views and opinions of a healthy mind ... holding beliefs that physically assaulting children for "stroppy" behaviour and using a rapists justification for violence against women is really, REALLY worrying.

Does no mean yes big_al?
What is your opinion on that?

Your using someone elses thread to correct your own mistake? Its ok to admit it you know.

Lets just be clear about this once and for all....child abuse.. I would define it as physical, emotional, sexual mistreatment of children. NEVER on this website have I condoned child abuse in any form on this website. Be careful how you tread Yozhik.

That is not the same as a police officer using 'reasonable force' to restrain a person. That I will condone if the actions of a police officer are established to be justified by a third, independant party. And that can be using reasonable force on a juvenile or an old person PROVIDED it can be justified as I said above.

I've dealt with juveniles that have been bigger and taller than myself, high on drink and drugs, full of bravado because there friends are watching. I know what I would do if one launched myself at me. What would you do as he launched hay makers at you? Talk to him? Defend yourself? Stop him from attacking you?

In relation to the women getting erotic kicks from being detained. The psychiatric nurse earlier in this thread acknowledged there is such a condition, albeit rare (what's rare?). So my statement is not one that is outside the realms of possibility is it?

Now I think I have adequately cleared that up. So can we move on now, please?

[yozhik]

Your using someone elses thread to correct your own mistake? Its ok to admit it you know.


So what????

It wasn't a mistake, was it?
It was correct.
using info from another poster is not just perfectly acceptable, in a forum, it's the norm.

big_al ... you asked a question; you got your answer.
My initial statement was proven by another poster to be correct.
Where is the mistake?
Where is the issue?
:confused:

As for the rest of your post re: child abuse.
If people want to search for it, they can.
You clearly stated that a police officer was justified to throw and pin a 16 year old child up against the wall, for throwing a pen on a desk.
I don't know where you grew up, but this "stroppy" behaviour as it was described, did NOT justify a 16 year old child being pinned up against a wall. Not by an adult, a stranger, a parent, nor a police officer.
For anyone to express a view that this violent reaction is justified for throwing a pen on a desk, is condoning physical child abuse. Period.

No matter how you colour your words, or give personal testimony of your experience with how you justified your treatment of children when in uniform, it will not change the fact nor my opinion.

Now; back to the thread at hand.

[big_al]

So what????

It wasn't a mistake, was it?
It was correct.
using info from another poster is not just perfectly acceptable, in a forum, it's the norm.

big_al ... you asked a question; you got your answer.
My initial statement was proven by another poster to be correct.
Where is the mistake?
Where is the issue?
:confused:

As for the rest of your post re: child abuse.
If people want to search for it, they can.
You clearly stated that a police officer was justified to throw and pin a 16 year old child up against the wall, for throwing a pen on a desk.
I don't know where you grew up, but this "stroppy" behaviour as it was described, did NOT justify a 16 year old child being pinned up against a wall. Not by an adult, a stranger, a parent, nor a police officer.
For anyone to express a view that this violent reaction is justified for throwing a pen on a desk, is condoning physical child abuse. Period.

No matter how you colour your words, or give personal testimony of your experience with how you justified your treatment of children when in uniform, it will not change the fact nor my opinion.

Now; back to the thread at hand.

No no no..you meant to say your post re child abuse, not mine, your the one bringing up and going over old ground, not me. In relation to the incident you are referring though - the pen incident - for the umpteenth time...its a matter of perception. The OP in that thread said he was 'stroppy' - perhaps the DC thought/perceived it differently? We will never know what actually happened because we weren't there and we only have one side of the story. That's all I really have to say about it.

The trouble is I spoil your little collective handbag bashing of Police Officers don't I and then you try and label me a 'troll' because my alternative view doesn't sit with yours? That is what is sad.

Your final paragraph actually leads me to think that your a bit naive or simply perhaps the youth in Budapest are nicer there then they are in the UK. But in case you don't know were no longer called the United Kingdom were now known as 'Broken Britain'.

[sensitivesoul]

OK now that makes me frustrated. The police were totally out of line!:mad::mad::mad: that makes me so mad sometimes! They think that they can just do what ever they want... so stupid:mad::mad::mad:

[yozhik]

The trouble is I spoil your little collective handbag bashing of Police Officers don't I and then you try and label me a 'troll' because my alternative view doesn't sit with yours? That is what is sad.



Believe it or not, I actually have healthy respect for police officers.
Unfortunately, it seems the UK has very few true police officers left.

You also seem to misunderstand my stance re: true police officers and the use of force. I see it as a last resort; not the default setting nor the first option.

I also support the use of "reasonable force", when used with diligence and when it is appropriate.

From the video in this thread, I see the force used as anything but "reasonable". It was way over the top. As an example, the application or pressure point tactics was totally inappropriate.

For throwing a pen, being pinned against the wall was not "reasonable".

Your example of someone coming at a police officer, throwing hay makers, should be met with "reasonable force". I have zero issue with a true police officer defending himself, with proportionate and reasonable force. I actually support it whole heartedly.

What I am not seeing is proportionate response or the use of reasonable force. I am also not seeing justifiable cause.

I have zero respect for uniformed thugs and policy enforcers who abuse their position.
I have the utmost respect for police officers who know their role as peace officers and who act with courtesy, use discretion and have respect for the public for whom they are SERVANTS.

This has nothing to do with geographical location; whether its downtown Budapest, an estate in Manchester or in the rural towns of Oklahoma ... the principles are the same.

[big_al]

Conversion between you and I has now ceased. When you grow a backbone, let me know.

[yozhik]

Conversion between you and I has now ceased. When you grow a backbone, let me know.

big_al ... regardless of what your ego yells at you, this is not a conversation between you and me; it is a public forum, where opinions and views are debated and rebutted.

I can only guess that your time in the police force taught you to be ultra-aggressive and to treat all challenges as personal and to reply with a disproportionate response, or as much force as you wanted to. You seem to exhibit the same traits in the forum.

As hard as it may be for you to comprehend, I don't wait for you (and you alone) to post. My time on this forum is not spent waiting, pining for your appearance. Consequently, I will decline your offer to "let you know" anything; if you choose to partake in any of the threads I am commenting in, then as any one will tell you, that is your right. I do not see a need for me to notify you personally.

Now, maybe your avatar shows your true calling?
Go discuss it with your Masonic Lodge pals; I'm sure they will lend you a more sympathetic ear, or at least an opinion closer to those you hold. That should fuel any ego that may exist.

[big_al]

big_al ... regardless of what your ego yells at you, this is not a conversation between you and me; it is a public forum, where opinions and views are debated and rebutted.[/QUOTE]

Yes it is isn't it?

I can only guess that your time in the police force taught you to be ultra-aggressive and to treat all challenges as personal and to reply with a disproportionate response, or as much force as you wanted to. You seem to exhibit the same traits in the forum.

More amateur cod psychology from yozhik.

As hard as it may be for you to comprehend, I don't wait for you and you alone to post. My time on this forum is not spent waiting, pining for your appearance. Consequently, I will decline your offer to "let you know" anything; if you choose to partake in any of the threads I am commenting in, then as any one will tell you, that is your right. I do not see a need for me to notify you personally.

Err... I actually asked you not to engage with me via PM didnt I? You dont have to let me know anything, except just when you're grown a backbone.


Now, maybe your avatar shows your true calling?
Go discuss it with your Masonic Lodge pals; I'm sure they will lend you a more sympathetic ear, or at least an opinion closer to those you hold. That should fuel any ego that may exist.

Yes..maybe I should...I need to catch up where we are at with our NWO and assassination of those that stand in the way plans.

Just to recap again: Please dont engage with me. (until you grow a backbone)

[yozhik]

Just to recap again: Please dont engage with me. (until you grow a backbone)

C'mon ... we're not in a school yard.
This is pathetic; it has no relevance to the thread.

Back to topic, eh?

[big_al]

C'mon ... we're not in a school yard.
This is pathetic; it has no relevance to the thread.

Back to topic, eh?

Neither was child abuse, but you brought it up didnt you?

Now..please move along.

[yozhik]

Neither was child abuse, but you brought it up didnt you?

Now..please move along.

Fuck ... I lost ... he got the last word :D

na na na na na ...

(sigh)

[yozhik]

OK now that makes me frustrated. The police were totally out of line!:mad::mad::mad: that makes me so mad sometimes! They think that they can just do what ever they want... so stupid:mad::mad::mad:

Unfortunately, as the building evidence shows us, they not only THINK they can do whatever they want ... they too often CAN do whatever they want.

Murdering innocent people at protests in London, then trying to cover it up.
Murdering innocent people on train stations after following them and falsely identifying them as a terrorist, then trying to cover it up.

Abusing power, using excessive force ... many examples of the same loutish behaviour.

Now they announce that they are about to release 30,000 more tasers into the hands of people with inadequate training. Woo hoo ... can't wait :mad:

[krakhead]

Unfortunately, as the building evidence shows us, they not only THINK they can do whatever they want ... they too often CAN do whatever they want.

Murdering innocent people at protests in London, then trying to cover it up.
Murdering innocent people on train stations after following them and falsely identifying them as a terrorist, then trying to cover it up.

Abusing power, using excessive force ... many examples of the same loutish behaviour.

Now they announce that they are about to release 30,000 more tasers into the hands of people with inadequate training. Woo hoo ... can't wait :mad:

But we're not allowed to film or photograph them beating up and tasering innocent people because we may help terrorists (due to some inexplicable reasoning by someone).

[phemohilia]

Gosh, I'm again reminded of that catchy little number written by Ice-T for his band 'Body Count'..... the title just seems to escape me.... Oh, what IS the name of that old chestnut???? ;)

[wakeupworld]

In the "act" of arresting Emily a police officer is filmed assaulting her by placing his hand around her neck. I can read what looks like to be his identity number 0071.
So if anyone took this footage to their local police station and made a complaint about this assault, then this police officer has to be suspended then later charged. Or is that too simple?

[krakhead]

Gosh, I'm again reminded of that catchy little number written by Ice-T for his band 'Body Count'..... the title just seems to escape me.... Oh, what IS the name of that old chestnut???? ;)

"Bowels of the Devil"? That was my favourite! :D

[krakhead]

In the "act" of arresting Emily a police officer is filmed assaulting her by placing his hand around her neck. I can read what looks like to be his identity number 0071.
So if anyone took this footage to their local police station and made a complaint about this assault, then this police officer has to be suspended then later charged. Or is that too simple?

Probably spot on apart from the fact that he's a copper. An 'ordinary' person doing the same thing though? You'd have a case!

[yozhik]

The more I see and the more I read, I'm not so sure "peaceful" is going to work any more.
"Peaceful" only works when "peace" is respected.
It is obvious that the policy enforcers do not respect peace.
Those two women, regardless of the baseless claims by the policy enforcers, were acting peacefully.
They were not violent, showed no signs of aggression; nothing that could be misconstrued as anything but acting inside the boundaries of acceptable behaviour ... as was later evidenced by no charges being pressed.

It isn't the first example of "peaceful" not being respected.

At what point do we exercise "reasonable force"?
At what point do we exercise "proportionate response"?
At what point do we exercise the right of "self defence"?

[wakeupworld]

Well peaceful didn`t work in this clip which I have posted before on another thread. Really goes to show what bullies and cowards these police officers can be.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[zetetic0void]

Wow... these bloody police really don't follow any rules... they just do what they wish. There was no logical or lawful reason for them to have done these actions therefore this was illegal kidnapping and assault.

I would hope the "committee" investigating this would find these officers guilty and have them fired and charged with assaulk and kidnapping but I won't hold my breath.

[adbasque]

Well I have this to say

You either get used to it as these images will become more frequente or we do something about it.

There was a time were police (men) could not touch a woman unless it's another police woman(en), this wasn't long ago, now they can do whatever the hell they want.

[big_al]

You either get used to it as these images will become more frequente or we do something about it.

.


No disrespect to you adbasque but the sad truth is most of you will not do anything about it. Forum users here dont have the know- how or any real determination to do anything other than sit in their armchairs complaining about it on line and once the computers switched off? Carry on with your normal lives.

Whatever the motivations of the two ladies in the video, at least they actually got up and done something.

How many of you can say that?

[adbasque]

No disrespect to you adbasque but the sad truth is most of you will not do anything about it. Forum users here dont have the know- how or any real determination to do anything other than sit in their armchairs complaining about it on line and once the computers switched off? Carry on with your normal lives.

Whatever the motivations of the two ladies in the video, at least they actually got up and done something.

How many of you can say that?

I can only speak for myself, I know I am doing something, and I have been doing it before I came to this forum.
I am doing what I can anyway.
I have two of my friends who've been arrested back in december 2001 under terrorist act, they were released a week later, false arrest, anyway long story, and I have been visited 3 times since 2001 the last time was in 2003.

But that didn't stop me from fighting for justice anyway I can, now whichever way you fight them, you're a terrorist, if you disagree with them, you are a terrorist.

I am doing my bit, in anyway I can.

[steve1964]

Is there anything more pathetic than being a police officer?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2900

Yes there is its being a prime minister of NAZI Britain it comes with all puppet strings attached.

[krakhead]

No disrespect to you adbasque but the sad truth is most of you will not do anything about it. Forum users here dont have the know- how or any real determination to do anything other than sit in their armchairs complaining about it on line and once the computers switched off? Carry on with your normal lives.

Whatever the motivations of the two ladies in the video, at least they actually got up and done something.

How many of you can say that?

Although very poorly worded (almost as if you were purposefully trying to annoy people, and I'm sure that can't be true!), I agree with you somewhat.

BUT - what 'know-how' would stop a group of police officers doing that to you when they were insistant you were acting 'illegally'? I know for a fact that there are many members of this forum who definitely have the determination though - your (very common in police officers I know) 'one-size-fits-all' approach doesn't have any basis in fact.

As for the women in the video (and the guy with them - let's not be sexist here!) - we absolutely need more people like that, worldwide. I know lots who already are, but still - more are needed.

[tyler]

Sadly, I too have to agree with the last two posts. Throw away your keyboards and pick up your pitchforks!
The time has come!

[flyermay]

No disrespect to you adbasque but the sad truth is most of you will not do anything about it. Forum users here dont have the know- how or any real determination to do anything other than sit in their armchairs complaining about it on line and once the computers switched off? Carry on with your normal lives.

Whatever the motivations of the two ladies in the video, at least they actually got up and done something.

How many of you can say that?

:D An obvious comment from someone who still belives violence will solve everything.

Look up and tell me which of your masters has ever used any violence; though they were able to brainwash you to do the dirty work for them.

Is there anything more pathetic than being a police officer?

Yes there is its being a prime minister of NAZI Britain it comes with all puppet strings attached.

I could agree to a certain extent. But then, who is more pathetic, the puppet or those who willingly serve and defend the interests of the puppet?

[steevo]

If we ALL (everyone) stopped fearing the "consequences" of doing what we KNOW to be "right", then I wonder what effect this would have on the world ?

I mean, what is it that we are afraid of exactly ?

[oneup]

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/jun/21/fit-watch-kingsnorth-arrests/

:mad:

It angers me that the faces of the cops are blurred out but the face of the victim is not. Wrong way around! let people know who the assholes are.

[adbasque]

If we ALL (everyone) stopped fearing the "consequences" of doing what we KNOW to be "right", then I wonder what effect this would have on the world ?

I mean, what is it that we are afraid of exactly ?

Exactly, I don't know what people fear
You can out and get knocked by a truck
If we do something, we might survive and others, if we don't do anything it a certain death, sooner or later.

Even if we don't do it for ourselves let's do it for our kids, don't they deserve a better world?
Once a person overcomes their fears that's it.
first steps are harder.

[21_12_2012]

Originally Posted by 21_12_2012
Being a doctor.

Unless you have a good reason for it; allow me to doubt it.

Doctors, unlike police, are considered (by the 'masses') intelligent, and to have at least some degree
of compassion towards (suffering) people.

Yet they knowingly prescribe poison, day in day out, to people, treating symptoms but rarely curing anything.

They cause people to suffer even more from the effects of the poison, in order to prescribe them yet more poison down the line, until eventually
death / serious dis-ease ensues.

They then kid themselves that they are 'helping' people, when they are
actually killing them, and causing suffering on a slow torturous scale.

I would say doctors are a lot more 'pathetic' than police, and knowingly so.
But pigs are very pathetic.

[yozhik]

It angers me that the faces of the cops are blurred out but the face of the victim is not. Wrong way around! let people know who the assholes are.

We know who the assholes are; they wear a uniform, are handy with tasers and enjoy ego driven power trips. They used to be called police officers and were primarily concerned with keeping the peace and SERVING the taxpayer.

Nowadays, they're policy enforcers who are primarily concerned with inflating their own ego and covering up for their woefully small penises. They don't give a shit about the taxpayer, can't even find the word "peace" in a dictionary and serve only themselves and their mason lodge mates.

Quite possibly the worst "BEFORE" and "AFTER" comparison ever known to mankind.

[krakhead]

I mean, what is it that we are afraid of exactly ?

Having your freedoms totally removed I guess. Being grabbed by policemen and banged up in a cell is a terrifying ordeal for most people. And prison is NOT the holiday camp that it gets portrayed as in the press.

And once you get caught up in the process it can be like living in a Kafka novel.

There's a possibility you could lose your job, lose your family, lose your kids etc. Now I know a lot of people here (myself included) would love to drop out of the current system, but drop out to where? I have worked with people who have dropped out of the system (in a variety of ways, for a variety of reasons) - it's rarely pretty, unless you have money to back you up.

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by 21_12_2012




Doctors, unlike police, are considered (by the 'masses') intelligent, and to have at least some degree
of compassion towards (suffering) people.

Yet they knowingly prescribe poison, day in day out, to people, treating symptoms but rarely curing anything.

They cause people to suffer even more from the effects of the poison, in order to prescribe them yet more poison down the line, until eventually
death / serious dis-ease ensues.

They then kid themselves that they are 'helping' people, when they are
actually killing them, and causing suffering on a slow torturous scale.

I would say doctors are a lot more 'pathetic' than police, and knowingly so.
But pigs are very pathetic.

I still think that going around harassing, beating up and kidnapping your own neighbours just because it's your job is by far the most pathetic thing you could do with your life. And it get’s even worst when they charge against protesters that are after all fighting for the rights and benefit of those officers too.

So, allow me to doubt it again, but there can be no one (or nothing) as pathetic as those who willingly take orders from a master without even questioning what those orders imply.

Our politicians are the scum of the earth –as proven once and again with their actions (just open any newspaper)-, there is no doubt about that; so what does that make of those who server and protect them?

Doctors? I wish I could turn every single pig into a doctor (but unfortunately, where am I going to find so many brains)…

[adbasque]

As for the women in the video (and the guy with them - let's not be sexist here!) - we absolutely need more people like that, worldwide. I know lots who already are, but still - more are needed.

Indeed, we are not the only ones, there are people around the world who've been fighting for many decades already.

And I know for a fact that there are a lot of genuine people on this forum whom are doing their best.

It's not because we interact on the forum it means we're not doing anything.

There are also a lot of trolls, they aim is to divert topics, disrupt, plant seeds of doubts, discourage people, etc.. the list is endless.

I know this for a fact, that around the world professional bloggers were hired to do just that.

And lots of them, what they are trying to do is to create an atmosphere of mistrust between members.
The other things is to keep us arguing about trivial and insignificant issues, while the real issues go unoticed.

How many came here now started threads to attract members and then they took off or simply changed nicknames and came back.

I now a lot of us are genuine even if we disagree on certain things, but deep down I am sure we all want pretty much the same things.

We must not give up at any cost

[krakhead]

Doctors, unlike police, are considered (by the 'masses') intelligent, and to have at least some degree
of compassion towards (suffering) people.

Yet they knowingly prescribe poison, day in day out, to people, treating symptoms but rarely curing anything.

They cause people to suffer even more from the effects of the poison, in order to prescribe them yet more poison down the line, until eventually
death / serious dis-ease ensues.

They then kid themselves that they are 'helping' people, when they are
actually killing them, and causing suffering on a slow torturous scale.

I would say doctors are a lot more 'pathetic' than police, and knowingly so.
But pigs are very pathetic.

What absolute toss! Have you never been ill, in your entire life and not been treated under the current mainstream medical model? Do you really not know anyone else who has either? Then the medical model works.

Mainstream medicine has problems, absolutely. But to compare, especially unfavourably, medical staff to police-officers? You really need a reality check. Medical staff work very hard, often under very difficult circumstances - for example - have you ever had to try to stitch up a violent drunk? Being able tp treat someone who seems determined to do you harm shows an amazing amount of resilience and compassion.

[sithnemesis]

Indeed, we are not the only ones, there are people around the world who've been fighting for many decades already.

And I know for a fact that there are a lot of genuine people on this forum whom are doing their best.

It's not because we interact on the forum it means we're not doing anything.

There are also a lot of trolls, they aim is to divert topics, disrupt, plant seeds of doubts, discourage people, etc.. the list is endless.

I know this for a fact, that around the world professional bloggers were hired to do just that.

And lots of them, what they are trying to do is to create an atmosphere of mistrust between members.
The other things is to keep us arguing about trivial and insignificant issues, while the real issues go unoticed.

How many came here now started threads to attract members and then they took off or simply changed nicknames and came back.

I now a lot of us are genuine even if we disagree on certain things, but deep down I am sure we all want pretty much the same things.

We must not give up at any cost

Well said :)

[flyermay]

There are also a lot of trolls, they aim is to divert topics, disrupt, plant seeds of doubts, discourage people, etc.. the list is endless.

I know this for a fact, that around the world professional bloggers were hired to do just that.

You're absolutely right. Last month I created a poll about freemasonry; just to find out how many freemasons regularly visit this forum (you can see it at: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65418).

It was amazing to see that 1 in 3 people visiting the "illuminati / secret societies" section of the David Icke's forum are freemasons or are here to defend freemasonry.

I’m telling you, they take their job pretty serious in this forum, and some of them are not just regular people who just have an average knowledge.

[musics]

If we ALL (everyone) stopped fearing the "consequences" of doing what we KNOW to be "right", then I wonder what effect this would have on the world ?

I mean, what is it that we are afraid of exactly ?

Good Point

[steevo]

Having your freedoms totally removed I guess. Being grabbed by policemen and banged up in a cell is a terrifying ordeal for most people. And prison is NOT the holiday camp that it gets portrayed as in the press.

And once you get caught up in the process it can be like living in a Kafka novel.

There's a possibility you could lose your job, lose your family, lose your kids etc. Now I know a lot of people here (myself included) would love to drop out of the current system, but drop out to where? I have worked with people who have dropped out of the system (in a variety of ways, for a variety of reasons) - it's rarely pretty, unless you have money to back you up.

Exactly!

Those fears are what TAKES AWAY our freedom.

We must NOT fear losing our freedom because that is what will COST US our freedom. Sounds stupid, but is true in my opinion.

We need to REMEMBER how to NOT FEAR, and then combine that with doing what we KNOW to be "right". Once the critical mass of people realise this, then that is gonna be the moment when things really start to change (and not in an Obama way).

[adbasque]

Having your freedoms totally Now I know a lot of people here (myself included) would love to drop out of the current system, but drop out to where? I have worked with people who have dropped out of the system (in a variety of ways, for a variety of reasons) - it's rarely pretty, unless you have money to back you up.

If we do it as individuals yes you'll end up as aloser, but if we do it as communities

We can drop out of the current system, only if we seriously get together, as one, one person or a small group a lone can't make it, they will have to depend on the system, somehow.


We need people from all walks of life, I know a lot of people who would do just that, take it from the road sweeper, teacher, butcher, doctor etc..
It can be done, what we need is to be organised.
While we still have the internet to communicaye with, the internet will eventually die, unless we create our own network. (which is also possible)

[yozhik]

A report into the policing of last year's Climate Camp demonstration, to be presented today in parliament, has criticised Kent police for its apparent use of "psychological operations".

Allyn Thomas, Kent's assistant chief constable, said last night the operation, which he oversaw, was "very successful" but conceded the helicopter message threatening anti-riot techniques had been a mistake. He added: "We are also aware of one occasion when officers played music loudly and inappropriately. The police team was quickly identified and sent back to their home force."

Officers from 26 forces were drafted in to help mount a £5.9m operation. Home Office minister Vernon Coaker, who initially said the response had been "proportionate", later apologised to MPs after it emerged the 70 police officers he claimed had been injured in clashes with protesters had suffered unrelated ailments - including bee stings and a toothache.

The report found protesters were threatened with arrest after invoking their right to not to disclose personal details. They were also subjected to repeated searches, and police seized more than 2,000 items, including a clown outfit, cycle helmets, tent pegs and board games. The confiscation of the camp's supply of soap was justified by police "because protesters might use it to make themselves slippery and evade the grip of police", the report says.

... and we're supposed to "respect" these thugs?

This is TERRORISM.
Plain and simple.


A War OF Terror, being waged relentlessly upon the people they took an oath to SERVE and PROTECT.

Taxpayer money is being used to fund acts of terrorism.

[brainfreeze]

... and we're supposed to "respect" these thugs?

This is TERRORISM.
Plain and simple.


A War OF Terror, being waged relentlessly upon the people they took an oath to SERVE and PROTECT.

Taxpayer money is being used to fund acts of terrorism.

They belong in the jokes so bad they're good thread.

Banksy's pic of chimps in the house of commons is wrong. They should all be wearing swatzstickers, their thugs included.

[21_12_2012]

What absolute toss! Have you never been ill, in your entire life and not been treated under the current mainstream medical model? Do you really not know anyone else who has either? Then the medical model works.

If you'd read my post properly, i said "doctors"...not medical staff in general.

I have been ill yes...treated yes. With chemical drugs.
But cured ? No. I've helped myself more than any doctor could.
That's their job. To prescribe poisons. Chemical poisons. Treat symptoms.
By order of big pharma.

Ask any doctor what they think about homeopathic remedies, or 'health foods',
or alternative healing, acupuncture, reiki, holistic healing etc etc.
Watch their faces go blank, watch them turn away, watch them mumble their
way out of the conversation.

Poison prescribers...all of them.

And you can bet that a LOT know exactly what cures people,
and how the 'alternative' medicine and ancient rememdies work, yet they carry on prescribing
poisons, treating symptoms...hardly ever curing.

You tell me when anyone who's been to a doctor, and not come out with anything
but a chemical drug? (lining big pharmas pockets)

So NO..the medical model DOESN'T work...(except to line the pockets of big pharma...and to cause death and suffering)

Take cancer for instance...chemotherapy...all the billions raised for cancer research etc

Isa it curing anything ? NO...why ? Because curing isnt the name of the game.
Selling drugs and treating symptoms is, causing more suffering and eventual death.

Mainstream medicine has problems, absolutely.

Major understatement.

But to compare, especially unfavourably, medical staff to police-officers? You really need a reality check.

As I've said above, I was comparing doctors.
I've had plenty of experience of so-called doctors, and been sickened to the core, by ALL of them.

Medical staff work very hard, often under very difficult circumstances - for example - have you ever had to try to stitch up a violent drunk? Being able tp treat someone who seems determined to do you harm shows an amazing amount of resilience and compassion.

As i said above, i was referring to doctors, and not medical staff in general.

The ONLY thing (in my opinion) the medical profession is useful for is:-

When you're bleeding to death and need stitching up.
If you have broken limbs that need putting in plaster.
Or if you need an emergency transplant/blood transfusion.

The rest is complete bollocks mate.

[pinkgeranium]

If this is a Police Video.........How did it get into the public domain..?

I dont make any excuses for this type of ignorant thugery.....but....
I cant help but ask, why are we being lead to hate and deeply misstrust the
police.


Also, That women was deeply annoying......She had a very good point (asking for his number).... But she came across as an immature stropy mare.

That said, she and her friend in no way deserved that appalling treatment.

[brainfreeze]

They were there to police the police. The police didn't like that. The police identified and targeted them. I would have been a little stroppier than that, especially when the police abuse stepped up a level, from humiliation to inflicting pain.

[adbasque]

If this is a Police Video.........How did it get into the public domain..?

I dont make any excuses for this type of ignorant thugery.....but....
I cant help but ask, why are we being lead to hate and deeply misstrust the
police.


Also, That women was deeply annoying......She had a very good point (asking for his number).... But she came across as an immature stropy mare.

That said, she and her friend in no way deserved that appalling treatment.

No matter how stropy and immature she is, they had no reason to put her down and wipe the floor with her. 4 cops?
No they are arrogant and real thugs
My brother in law is an ex cop, left the force just because of this. he was in the force for over 11 years, he quit about 3 years ago.

He said the whole police mentality and spirit was changing and he did not like it at all.
As for the video it could be someone from the inside who hates what he / she sees and what his colleagues and bosses are doing.

[gilly]

I actually thought those women were quite plucky.

You could see at one point that they were frightened (I detected that anyway), but they didn't allow themselves to be cowed. Good for them, I say!
And that will have irritated the cops (so good again), because they seem to like people being subservient towards them.

[pinkgeranium]

They were there to police the police. The police didn't like that. The police identified and targeted them. I would have been a little stroppier than that, especially when the police abuse stepped up a level, from humiliation to inflicting pain.


Why, it just plays straight into their hands........

They then just pass you off as just another enviro nut, conspiracy nut...etc etc


If you are sure of your rights and your beliefs, you would achieve more by being
calm and mature.

[brainfreeze]

Why, it just plays straight into their hands........

They then just pass you off as just another enviro nut, conspiracy nut...etc etc


If you are sure of your rights and your beliefs, you would achieve more by being
calm and mature.

I get all that. It's called antagonism, and it works, because some of us are sick to death of them getting away with their abuses because others have been more compliant/frightened to do anything. It's a fine line and as much as we'd love to stay calm, in moments like that it takes a saint. They know that.

[adbasque]

I actually thought those women were quite plucky.

You could see at one point that they were frightened (I detected that anyway), but they didn't allow themselves to be cowed. Good for them, I say!
And that will have irritated the cops (so good again), because they seem to like people being subservient towards them.

Frankly I did not find those ladies agressive or impolite, until the cops started treating them like dirt.
Just for those people who are criticising them, remember one thing, when your turn comes, there wouldn't be anyone left to speak out for you.

No matter what they did, they didn't pose any threats to 6 or 8 cops, they were two women trying to exercise their rights, nothing more and nothing less.

[brainfreeze]

Frankly I did not find those ladies agressive or impolite, until the cops started treating them like dirt.
Just for those people who are criticising them, remember one thing, when your turn comes, there wouldn't be anyone left to speak out for you.

No matter what they did, they didn't pose any threats to 6 or 8 cops, they were two women trying to exercise their rights, nothing more and nothing less.

And they were being arrested by an "officer" who would not identify himself. How do they know he was?

[krakhead]

I get all that. It's called antagonism, and it works, because some of us are sick to death of them getting away with their abuses because others have been more compliant/frightened to do anything. It's a fine line and as much as we'd love to stay calm, in moments like that it takes a saint. They know that.

On demo's I've been on before, the police know that if protesters stay calm and orderly they can't be touched. That's why they intimidate and harass protesters. I've heard policemen make lot's of horrible, derogatory, inflammatory comments, racial insults, commenting on women's weight, anything in fact, just to get ONE person to respond - as soon as they do the police know they have carte blanche to wade in and claim they were controlling an aggressive crowd.

[yozhik]

Why, it just plays straight into their hands........

They then just pass you off as just another enviro nut, conspiracy nut...etc etc


If you are sure of your rights and your beliefs, you would achieve more by being
calm and mature.

THAT approach has got us into this debt bondage and modern day slavery we find ourselves in today.

"Calm and mature", i.e. doing nothing, has been perceived (quite rightly) as tacit compliance and taken as our informed consent; for their statutes, their actions, their corruption, their deception and their destruction of every value we hold dear.

"Calm and mature" is reflected in the pandemic apathy that rots the sovereign nations to the core.

"Calm and mature" has allowed the family unit to be broken down, the schools to be infiltrated, the police turned into stormtroopers, freedom to become enslavement, security to mean fear, governance to become terrorism.

"Calm and mature" has not worked. Period.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[pinkgeranium]

I get all that. It's called antagonism, and it works, because some of us are sick to death of them getting away with their abuses because others have been more compliant/frightened to do anything. It's a fine line and as much as we'd love to stay calm, in moments like that it takes a saint. They know that.

She had a very good point to make......It was just the way she questioned him........ She may as well have had "arrest me now officer" stamped on her head.


I have to say they were very calm when arrested, which I take my hat off to them for.

[brainfreeze]

She had a very good point to make......It was just the way she questioned him........ She may as well have had "arrest me now officer" stamped on her head.


I have to say they were very calm when arrested, which I take my hat off to them for.


I'm off to watch it again. From what I recall she asked for his number because he wasn't displaying one, which is illegal and what the thugs did at G20 too.

[pinkgeranium]

On demo's I've been on before, the police know that if protesters stay calm and orderly they can't be touched. That's why they intimidate and harass protesters. I've heard policemen make lot's of horrible, derogatory, inflammatory comments, racial insults, commenting on women's weight, anything in fact, just to get ONE person to respond - as soon as they do the police know they have carte blanche to wade in and claim they were controlling an aggressive crowd.

Yes, I have witnessed this type of thing,

I have seen people really calmly stand their ground and the police back off.

It takes a hell of a lot of nerve.

[yozhik]

On demo's I've been on before, the police know that if protesters stay calm and orderly they can't be touched. That's why they intimidate and harass protesters. I've heard policemen make lot's of horrible, derogatory, inflammatory comments, racial insults, commenting on women's weight, anything in fact, just to get ONE person to respond - as soon as they do the police know they have carte blanche to wade in and claim they were controlling an aggressive crowd.

Ah yes ... the ol' agent provocateur trick.

Recent protests in London were a great example of this.
Multiple reports of policy enforcers in civilian clothes, amongst the protesters, stirring up trouble and inciting them to become violent ... as soon as they were "outed" and revealed as the police scum they were, they immediately broke away from the protester ranks, ran towards their scum colleagues (like the cowards they are), only for the police line to part like the Red Sea and let the violence catalysts back into the warmth and protection of mummy's cancerous breast.

Fuckers.

Intentional inciting of violence.
An otherwise peaceful protest, with the policy enforcers being the violent element, whether in uniform or out.
You have to feel sorry for them though; they only managed to kill ONE innocent person ... I'm sure their internal targets dictated a much higher body count.

[pinkgeranium]

I'm off to watch it again. From what I recall she asked for his number because he wasn't displaying one, which is illegal and what the thugs did at G20 too.


As far as I know it is illegal and she had every right to ask him.

The thing is, as soon as i saw her looking down her nose at him and
smugly asking for his number..........I thought .........oh dear.....
thats not the way to do it.

maybe she just isnt that street wise, i dont know.

Like I said, it still does'nt justify the brute force used by the police and I hope they dont get away with it.

[brainfreeze]

As far as I know it is illegal and she had every right to ask him.

The thing is, as soon as i saw her looking down her nose at him and
smugly asking for his number..........I thought .........oh dear.....
thats not the way to do it.

maybe she just isnt that street wise, i dont know.

Like I said, it still does'nt justify the brute force used by the police and I hope they dont get away with it.

I'm not and I can't judge the look she gave him. I don't know what happened earlier other than the bit they show were the police identify them as being their to police them and make a snide remark, so anything could have taken place up to the point of the look she gave him. The police's behaviour with other protestors hadn't been pleasant before all this either. They were confiscating board games, clown suits and crayons.

[tracker]

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/jun/21/fit-watch-kingsnorth-arrests/

:mad:

good threa krakhead ;

lets face facts

nothing will come of this !
nothing will be done !

because this is how they are tought to do things !
it is their way of training !

they are able to do this because TPTB want them to be like that !

one day they will shoot anyone if they want too !

that will be the law !

this is why they dont do anything to stop officers actions like these , so that we become used to this so that as time goes by more and more abuse of rights can be achieved !

:cool:

[adbasque]

One thing to look at she doesn't have to fall in love with him to ask him for his number, the way she looks at him, he is a trained officer (supposedly) he should know how to handle people, he can't expect everybody to be nice to him.

Did she touch him?
Did she insult him?
Did she do anything to him?

If he doesn't like the way she talks to him he needs to go out and get another job, he is not cut to be a peace (joke) keeper.

When you work for a company and a client chew you up, you don't talk back because he is a customer.

She pays his wages in case he forgot.
I am telling the Elite are deliberately giving them carte blanche, to strike fear into a community, it's also possible that this footage was released on purpose as a message to others.

We can do what we want and you're going to be the loser.

Like Ian Tomlinson who died in London.

They are sending us a message "This could be you"

To scare us into submission, and they are doing it all over the world.
Even in Iran the young Neda was shot, can you believe that?

I just started a thread with a video of her being shot and died on the spot.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1069404#post1069404

These things are calculated full stop

[pinkgeranium]

They are trying to get us de-sensitised to police brutality.

[yozhik]

I am telling the Elite are deliberately giving them carte blanche, to strike fear into a community, it's also possible that this footage was released on purpose as a message to others.

They are sending us a message "This could be you"

To scare us into submission, and they are doing it all over the world.


Look in ANY dictionary; its called TERRORISM.

Let's call a spade a spade.
Policy enforcers are the true TERRORISTS.

[flyermay]

Even in Iran the young Neda was shot, can you believe that?

I just started a thread with a video of her being shot and died on the spot.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1069404#post1069404

These things are calculated full stop

I'm not sure why you are mixing this in here. She could have been shot by any of the many CIA agents trying to stir up the shit in Iran; and now is being used by the western media to turn foreign and domestic public opinion against the Iranian government (which doesn’t want to dance at the western tune).

Who has gained more from Neda’s death???

[adbasque]

I'm not sure why you are mixing this in here. She could have been shot by any of the many CIA agents trying to stir up the shit in Iran; and now is being used by the western media to turn foreign and domestic public opinion against the Iranian government (which doesn’t want to dance at the western tune).

Who has gained more from Neda’s death???

Actually I am not mixing maybe two continents apart but the message is the same, they are all linked.

It's either a CIA agent or a CIA asset, they all work for the same rulers, of course the current president doesn't want to dance to the global tune, especially when they discovered that Obama is no different than his cousin Bush.

but they will probably manage to turn the people against him and his administration or assassinate him if they have to.

What is sad that a young vibrant beautiful girl paid with her life and what a tragic death, one minute she was walking with her dad all happy the next she was gone.

I truly felt sick physically sick when I saw the clip, I have seen dead people before in my life, but this was very shocking, it really shook me, I am still recovering.
I can't explain it but it really had an impact on me as if I knew her and she was my own sister or daughter.

[adbasque]

They are trying to get us de-sensitised to police brutality.

De-sensitised to police brutality and fear them too

[angelmoon]

Why is this story buried in the Environment section of the Guardian's website, rather than prominently on the front page?

Hi Drhemp i was so out raged at seeing this video that i called the guardian to ask why it wasn't on the front page and they said it was on monday!!!!!

we do get what we deserve for not taking to the streets in protest, we need to stand together i have just phoned to make an appointment with my MP and and phoned the local police station up to ask is it an arrestable offence to ask a police officer for there number , and of course it isn't !!!!!!!

i would like to get a group together to meet up and discuss what we can do to bring all these injustice's to light, to link up with other groups and support them these women were very brave and need our support

i am in the north east area i will do a separate post asking for interested people to get together

please PM me if anyone is interested and i will send my contact number

[adbasque]

Check this out, to see how the bastards treat human beings.

Cops in Iran

http://www.youtube.com/citizentube?feature=ticker

Bastards!!:mad:

[flyermay]

I was just reading and found by chance an official definition of terrorism, which can be easily applied to the video posted by the PO:

Terrorism is defined by the US Code as:
"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B)appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping."

Source: (United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct 19, volume 2; par 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984]).

[yozhik]

Check this out, to see how the bastards treat human beings.

Cops in Iran

http://www.youtube.com/citizentube?feature=ticker

Bastards!!:mad:

Not in this thread :) ... with respect, please don't derail this one.
There are already "Iran" threads ... put it in there.

[yozhik]

I was just reading and found an official definition of terrorist, which can easily be applied to the video posted by the PO:

Terrorism is defined by the US Code as:
"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B)appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping."

Source: (United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct 19, volume 2; par 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984]).


EXACTLY!

I've been hammering this very point constantly.
As I have said; check ANY dictionary.

They are textbook TERRORISTS.

There is a very real, very sinister, War OF Terror being waged upon the men, women and children of Albion, using their stolen credit to fund it.

[flyermay]

EXACTLY!

I've been hammering this very point constantly.
As I have said; check ANY dictionary.

They are textbook TERRORISTS.

There is a very real, very sinister, War OF Terror being waged upon the men, women and children of Albion, using their stolen credit to fund it.

Yes you did. Sorry!!! I wasn't looking for it, but just came up in a book, and reminded me of the video. :o

[adbasque]

Not in this thread :) ... with respect, please don't derail this one.
There are already "Iran" threads ... put it in there.

Don't worry mate, it was just for people to see the same programme is been used around the world, it was not meant to derail the thread. :)

[yozhik]

Yes you did. Sorry!!! I wasn't looking for it, but just came up in a book, and reminded me of the video. :o

he he ... no probs man ... we gotta keep beating this drum! :D

[flyermay]

he he ... no probs man ... we gotta keep beating this drum! :D

The fact is that the US (and allies) are constantly redefining the term terrorism so that it can't be used against them; but that's an impossible task (for obvious reasons).

[yozhik]

The fact is that the US (and allies) are constantly redefining the term terrorism so that it can't be used against them; but that's an impossible task (for obvious reasons).

So how can a word keep getting redefined insofar as it is a political definition?
What you're actually referring to is the cancerous existence of legalese, the language of the statute makers and the law society.
It has crept into our beautiful language, by stealth, and now erodes away at its core.
Words are twisted, distorted, used to confuse and obfuscate; it is a tumour that needs to be cut out.

Terrorists are terrorists; they are not the chosen enemy of the governing mafia of the day.
The terrorists are those who rain terror upon us, to shape the environment for their gain.
The terrorist is not those who make their governors accountable and ask for truth, honesty, honour and justice.

Just remember; with the current legalese definition of "terrorist" written in today's statute books, every man, woman and child can be labelled a terrorist for just questioning government policy or writing to an MP in a terse and frank manner.

The writers and supporters of statutes are the ideological terrorists; the likes of the Fabian Society and Common Purpose ... the policy enforcers are the extremists, willing and programmed to use whatever force is necessary to bring the policies of the ideologists into "being".

[peachped]

If you'd read my post properly, i said "doctors"...not medical staff in general.

I have been ill yes...treated yes. With chemical drugs.
But cured ? No. I've helped myself more than any doctor could.
That's their job. To prescribe poisons. Chemical poisons. Treat symptoms.
By order of big pharma.

Ask any doctor what they think about homeopathic remedies, or 'health foods',
or alternative healing, acupuncture, reiki, holistic healing etc etc.
Watch their faces go blank, watch them turn away, watch them mumble their
way out of the conversation.

Poison prescribers...all of them.

And you can bet that a LOT know exactly what cures people,
and how the 'alternative' medicine and ancient rememdies work, yet they carry on prescribing
poisons, treating symptoms...hardly ever curing.

You tell me when anyone who's been to a doctor, and not come out with anything
but a chemical drug? (lining big pharmas pockets)

So NO..the medical model DOESN'T work...(except to line the pockets of big pharma...and to cause death and suffering)

Take cancer for instance...chemotherapy...all the billions raised for cancer research etc

Isa it curing anything ? NO...why ? Because curing isnt the name of the game.
Selling drugs and treating symptoms is, causing more suffering and eventual death.



Major understatement.



As I've said above, I was comparing doctors.
I've had plenty of experience of so-called doctors, and been sickened to the core, by ALL of them.



As i said above, i was referring to doctors, and not medical staff in general.

The ONLY thing (in my opinion) the medical profession is useful for is:-

When you're bleeding to death and need stitching up.
If you have broken limbs that need putting in plaster.
Or if you need an emergency transplant/blood transfusion.

The rest is complete bollocks mate.

:DLol good post

[the nine]

When the police pull stunts like this, it it would seem to me that they should be sacked, and prosecuted for assault and wrongful arrest, or actually kidnapping, since they didn't let them see their solicitor straight away.

Bastards!

but this is more us and them Gilly..
they (media) are moving full speed to isolate the police from the public, to vilify them in the publics eye, a creation of hate policy..
then the police will willfully enforce a 'true' police state..once they are totally hated by ordinary decent folk and family and friends.

we need to keep the good police onside, we must remember that a lot of them are good people, fuck the bad apples..report them to the police complaints commision, give the 150 hours papaerwork each weekly ;)

[yozhik]

we need to keep the good police onside, we must remember that a lot of them are good people, fuck the bad apples..report them to the police complaints commision, give the 150 hours papaerwork each weekly ;)

Agreed.
We need good police officers.
I don't think anyone could dispute this.

I fear, as many long time serving police are also voicing, that the new wave of recruits are NOT being given the basic training as to their "role". The proliferation of "bad police" is a matter of intentional recruiting policy and the introductory training/indoctrination being given.

Let's not underestimate the impact of Common Purpose in all of this; particularly in the programming of the supervisors and the higher ranked within the force. Common Purpose are entwined with the Police at its very roots.

I also question the effectiveness and independent status of the PCC.
There are major questions as to who or what it serves.
"Whitewash" and "PCC" are two words used too often in the same sentence.

[lhaull]

Here are the UK forces standards which must be followed by cops.
I wonder how many of them are actually doing this.

Standards of Professional Behaviour


Honesty and Integrity

Police officers are honest, act with integrity and do not compromise or abuse their position.


Authority, Respect and Courtesy

Police officers act with self-control and tolerance, treating members of the public and colleagues with respect and courtesy.

Police officers do not abuse their powers or authority and respect the rights of all individuals.


Equality and Diversity

Police officers act with fairness and impartiality. They do not discriminate unlawfully or unfairly.


Use of Force

Police officers only use force to the extent that it is necessary, proportionate and reasonable in all the circumstances.


Orders and Instructions

Police officers only give and carry out lawful orders and instructions.

Police officers abide by police regulations, force policies and lawful orders.


Duties and Responsibilities

Police officers are diligent in the exercise of their duties and responsibilities.


Confidentiality

Police officers treat information with respect and access or disclose it only in the proper course of police duties.


Fitness for Duty

Police officers when on duty or presenting themselves for duty are fit to carry out their duties and responsibilities.


Discreditable Conduct

Police officers behave in a manner which does not discredit the police service or undermine public confidence, whether on or off duty.

Police officers report any action taken against them for a criminal offence, conditions imposed by a court or the receipt of any penalty notice.


Challenging and Reporting Improper Conduct

Police officers report, challenge or take action against the conduct of colleagues which has fallen below the standards of professional behaviour expected.

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/complaints/who_complaint/standofprofbehaviour.htm

[steppewar]

Here are clear pictures of these police thugs at the event concerned in this thread.

http://pa.photoshelter.com/gallery/Camp-for-Climate-Camp-Arreats-08-08-08-FIT-Watch-IPCC-Complaint/G0000Sw3B._Vd0ZE/

I obtained these photo's from the Fitwatch site here ... http://www.fitwatch.blogspot.com/ where they have named the pig officers involved in this illegal arrest.

Police cunts such as these should be regarded as terrorists, but REAL ones, not fake made up ones like Al Qaeda (I'll Kid'Ya).

[steppewar]

The grey haired, heavily tattood pig meathead in pics 5 and 6 is the one who held the woman up by the throat.

He seems to be the worst of these scumbags.

[steppewar]

It angers me that the faces of the cops are blurred out but the face of the victim is not. Wrong way around! let people know who the assholes are.

See Reply 170/171

[oneup]

Grrrrr I want to fucking punch them in the face, too bad they're just pixels on my screen.

[flyermay]

Here are clear pictures of these police thugs at the event concerned in this thread.

http://pa.photoshelter.com/gallery/Camp-for-Climate-Camp-Arreats-08-08-08-FIT-Watch-IPCC-Complaint/G0000Sw3B._Vd0ZE/

I obtained these photo's from the Fitwatch site here ... http://www.fitwatch.blogspot.com/

Police cunts such as these should be regarded as terrorists, but REAL ones, not fake made up ones like Al Qaeda (I'll Kid'Ya).

But hear the hypocrisy of our politicians, constantly criticising the police repression in Iran, while at the same time allow these bastards to do as they please; and even buy them teasers to be used against their own people.

Either way, I'm going to love when these pigs are despised by their children and grandchildren when they see the videos, pictures or simply find out what they did for a living. :D

One thing is sure: if they're so stupid as to do the dirty work, then they simply deserve it.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I'm not sure how exactly you intend to have stopped them, but doing so would be at least assault to a police officer and obstruction of justice (this time for real).

Turning a peaceful protest into an act of violence is exactly the excuse they want to brutally end the protest. Why give them the pleasure, when there is no chance of success against those well armed and trained bastards.



I think that they are praying for us to violently rebel against them. It would be the perfect excuse to impose martial law.

They're certainly not well trained. I've been taught those restraint techniques. It's not difficult.
Let them bring in martial law then. You either fight or give in. Looks like everyone here is more than ready to give in.
What else are you going to do? Give out leaflets? Radiate love and try and wake people up? Bullshit. Everyone is on this forum is willing to just roll over with the the rest of the sheep.
I would of physically stopped them. Bullies dont scare me. I have too much anger to just stand by.
If I was with any of you people,I'd come to your aid.I'd like to think everyone here would do the same, although I very much doubt it. Easier to film it then talk about it on this forum.
Anyone on this forum with any balls?

[adbasque]

But hear the hypocrisy of our politicians, constantly criticising the police repression in Iran, while at the same time allow these bastards to do as they please; and even buy them teasers to be used against their own people.

The media works hand in hand with the Elite, and at the moment anything to demonise the Iranian government, as they always did, point the finger out so, the masses would be focusing on what's going on elsewhere and think we live in democracy, they've done it for years.

Iran is on the big menu right now, anything to give them an excuse to invade or nuke them.

So anything that goes wrong there will be picked and blown out of proportion and even if nothing bad happens they have agents who would stir S*** to make iranians look bad, and need help by outside forces.

[oneup]

They're certainly not well trained. I've been taught those restraint techniques. It's not difficult.
Let them bring in martial law then. You either fight or give in. Looks like everyone here is more than ready to give in.
What else are you going to do? Give out leaflets? Radiate love and try and wake people up? Bullshit. Everyone is on this forum is willing to just roll over with the the rest of the sheep.
I would of physically stopped them. Bullies dont scare me. I have too much anger to just stand by.
If I was with any of you people,I'd come to your aid.I'd like to think everyone here would do the same, although I very much doubt it. Easier to film it then talk about it on this forum.
Anyone on this forum with any balls?

They always win anyway. ever heard of even a single case where someone was freed from the hands of these terrorists and heard nothing about it later?

[adbasque]

Quite frankly with names like this what do you expect (just a joke)

PC 5988 - Jessica Lawe - female cop

PC 6303 - Christopher Lawless

PC 6509 - Davis

PC 5915 - Flint

[yozhik]

If I was with any of you people,I'd come to your aid.I'd like to think everyone here would do the same, although I very much doubt it. Easier to film it then talk about it on this forum.
Anyone on this forum with any balls?

I used to have them ... but I'm married now.
My balls were long since spoken for, eaten, chewed up and spat out.

Did you not know that they have discovered the correct etymology for the word divorce?
Apparently it stems back to a word meaning; "to remove a man's genitals via painful extraction through his wallet".

Been there; done that too.

I have no hope.

[gilly]

but this is more us and them Gilly..
they (media) are moving full speed to isolate the police from the public, to vilify them in the publics eye, a creation of hate policy..
then the police will willfully enforce a 'true' police state..once they are totally hated by ordinary decent folk and family and friends.

we need to keep the good police onside, we must remember that a lot of them are good people, fuck the bad apples..report them to the police complaints commision, give the 150 hours papaerwork each weekly ;)

Agreed.

There was another thread posted at the same as this one, about some constabularies objecting to tasers being issued willy-nilly to untrained officers across the board. They're worried about the potentially lethal repercussions.

Similarly, earlier this year (or maybe last year) when it came to light that there were 'secret policeman's bonuses' being dished out, there were some in positions of authority who refused to accept this money, because they felt it was unjustified, and even sordid.

They have my utmost respect and gratitude, and provide proof that there are still some uncorrupted people in these roles who have the decency and integrity that we should be able to rely on!

I know a few blokes in the force - one's married to my mate, one who used to be a work colleague, and one who I went to college with. They're great people, and I trust them implicitly.

But as far as I'm concerned, the actions of those like the sadistic zombie smeg in the OP are completely indefensible. They're increasing in numbers and I'm resolutely against them - so yes, I recognise an 'us & them' situation. That's the way it's got to be, unless you condone or ignore their behaviour, imo.

[yozhik]

I know a few blokes in the force - one's married to my mate, one who used to be a work colleague, and one who I went to college with. They're great people, and I trust them implicitly.
Just out of curiosity ... do you discuss this type of issue with them "off the record"?
Do they have any insight or views that sheds light on where this crap is coming from?

But as far as I'm concerned, the actions of those like the sadistic zombie smeg in the OP are completely indefensible. They're increasing in numbers and I'm resolutely against them - so yes, I recognise an 'us & them' situation. That's the way it's got to be, unless you condone or ignore their behaviour, imo.
Ah ... thank you ... "smeg" ... had almost forgotten this delightful word :D
Must resurrect it!

Us and Them ... I just hope it doesn't turn into "us who become defenceless, moving targets for them with weapons and enough assumed authority to use it whenever they want" ... or are we already at that stage?

[oneup]

Quite frankly with names like this what do you expect (just a joke)

PC 5988 - Jessica Lawe - female cop

PC 6303 - Christopher Lawless

PC 6509 - Davis

PC 5915 - Flint

A cop named lawless?
Now that's what I call a descriptive name.

[gilly]

Just out of curiosity ... do you discuss this type of issue with them "off the record"?
Do they have any insight or views that sheds light on where this crap is coming from?

No, I seem to have lost touch with a lot of people over the last year or so. :(
I'll have to do something about it.

Just let me know if you need any other rude words. :D

[adbasque]

A cop named lawless?
Now that's what I call a descriptive name.

You know I have this cynic suspition that the nwo are recruiting ex gangsters or known unlawful people.

To discredit the entire police force all you need are few bad apples here and there.
They want to widen the gap between the public and the police.
mistrust from the two sides.

They don't want good people in the force, my brother in law had to quit because of what he saw during his eleven years in the force, he said that it gets worse every single year.

And apparently good cops are aways been framed for something within the force.
he also said things like the new arrivals, were given responsibilities before any proper training.

They are setting us up against one another, as always divide to rule.

[the nine]

Agreed.

There was another thread posted at the same as this one, about some constabularies objecting to tasers being issued willy-nilly to untrained officers across the board. They're worried about the potentially lethal repercussions.

Similarly, earlier this year (or maybe last year) when it came to light that there were 'secret policeman's bonuses' being dished out, there were some in positions of authority who refused to accept this money, because they felt it was unjustified, and even sordid.

They have my utmost respect and gratitude, and provide proof that there are still some uncorrupted people in these roles who have the decency and integrity that we should be able to rely on!

I know a few blokes in the force - one's married to my mate, one who used to be a work colleague, and one who I went to college with. They're great people, and I trust them implicitly.

But as far as I'm concerned, the actions of those like the sadistic zombie smeg in the OP are completely indefensible. They're increasing in numbers and I'm resolutely against them - so yes, I recognise an 'us & them' situation. That's the way it's got to be, unless you condone or ignore their behaviour, imo.

missed that thread, sounds really reassuring in contrast to these threads which provoke anger at the abuse of power when reading them..the injustice and creeping police state are on the horizon..fear looms :(

I just think we should try to keep a handle on it, so that whilst these threads are important and those brainwashed police need to be reported en masse..we need to remeber there are police who also abhor these police and will suffer to.
i just think we all need to keep some perspective :)

[the nine]

Us and Them ... I just hope it doesn't turn into "us who become defenceless, moving targets for them with weapons and enough assumed authority to use it whenever they want" ... or are we already at that stage?

this is what i meant to say yoz..:)
you are so good with words :D