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hengist

20-06-2009, 02:44 AM

sorath

20-06-2009, 02:48 AM

I'd like some examples of the white race being pre-eminently successful please.

steppewar

20-06-2009, 03:52 AM

swethirte

20-06-2009, 08:26 AM

I'd like some examples of the white race being pre-eminently successful please.

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tracker

20-06-2009, 08:30 AM

koo_77

20-06-2009, 08:58 AM

steppewar

20-06-2009, 09:36 AM

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I'd like to see how Sorath argues against that. He/She will probably come up with some psuedo/science bullshit of how this has occurred.

drael

20-06-2009, 09:59 AM

Mass = success. Brilliant, you have ended all philsophical argument.

Perhaps then the cockroach is the most successful, being they have the highest mass?

drael

20-06-2009, 10:02 AM

Hail the cockroach!

dogsmilk

20-06-2009, 10:29 AM

Anti racists are anti race, and as racism is a law of nature, they are anti nature.
The modern-day notion of racism, is a bogus social construct, invented by communists, in order to destroy the White race, by making white people feel guilty for being pre-eminently successful as a race.
The racist mindset is a natural instinct, geared to ensure racial preservation.
Racist behaviour, is the result of racial conflict, brought about by the unnatural condition of racial diversity.
No racial diversity......no racist behaviour. Get it?
Race is a reality, there is no escaping that fact. And racism is a law of nature; so to be anti racist, is to be anti race and anti nature.

Explain by what mechanism racism is a "law of nature".

The entire concept of 'race' requires language. Other species will interbreed where they can and will be happily diverse. You don't see animals not liking each other simply because their fur is a different colour. Lions and tigers don't get their knickers in a twist over miscegenation with the liger

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The only way racism is a "law of nature" is that humans are basically territorial primates and hence are prone to behave aggressively towards the perceived 'other' seen as not being part of the group. Chimpanzees are hostile to other social groups - they don't give a flying fuck about 'race' because they haven't even got the concept. Territoriality manifests itself in all kinds of ways beyond race such as people of different religions, nationalities, subcultures, even from different towns. Some of us try to move beyond our primitive primate instincts and some think it's good because they like being dumb apes and invent linguistic constructs to justify their simian nature.
Many of us are able to see beyond trivialities like different skin pigmentation and actually have friendly human relationships with people that look a bit different. Fancy that!

It's also very useful for leaders to start wars or other conflict because the cry of hey! See them? They're not like us! We gotta do something about these bastards! is a great way of stirring stupid people up to do their bidding.

The major achievement of the 'white race' is to have kicked the shit out of everyone else and nicked their stuff. I hope you're very proud.

And as Drael said, the cockroach is far, far more successful than humans let alone any 'race'. There's more of them, they've been around longer and they'll be around long after we've gone. You're all just apes living on this planet until we wipe ourselves out or nature wipes us out - get over it.

runciter

20-06-2009, 10:32 AM

I'd like to see how Sorath argues against that. He/She will probably come up with some psuedo/science bullshit of how this has occurred.

greed, violence, extermination, religious and economic subjugation, absence of human feelings.

runciter

20-06-2009, 10:34 AM

I'd like some examples of the white race being pre-eminently successful please.

they (we) have been successful in fucking other "races".

swethirte

20-06-2009, 10:37 AM

they (we) have been successful in fucking other "races".

Thing is, all other races f**k each other anyway. So once again whites have been more successful at this trait that is common to all humans.

drael

20-06-2009, 10:39 AM

So once again whites have been more successful at this trait that is common to all humans.

But not as successful as cockroaches.

runciter

20-06-2009, 10:39 AM

Thing is, all other races f**k each other anyway. So once again whites have been more successful at this trait that is common to all humans.

more successful in exterminating people.

swethirte

20-06-2009, 10:41 AM

more successful in exterminating people.

And why were they in a position to do that in the first place? How did they acquire the power that other races can only aspire to? Don't just say by exploiting others, to be able to exploit others one must have power to start with.

luciferhorus

20-06-2009, 10:43 AM

The major achievement of the 'white race' is to have kicked the shit out of everyone else and nicked their stuff. I hope you're very proud.

Yes and it is all the the Book which is Holy to the Europeans and Americans: Bible: a book allegedly written by the descendents of African slaves.

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Tithe to God or She will curse you.

"Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me! "But you ask, 'What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?' "You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do," says the LORD Almighty, "I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in! Try it! Let me prove it to you! Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not shrivel before they are ripe," says the LORD Almighty. (Malachi 3:8-11 NLT)

The all-powerful God claims She can bring food and grapes to the masses but She can't even feed herself?

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Kill False Prophets; thrust through your children

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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Natural Disasters are the jealous God's Wrath

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)

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Pillage and Plunder Loot the silver! Plunder the gold!

For the land of Israel lies empty and broken after your attacks, but the LORD will restore its honor and power again. Shields flash red in the sunlight! The attack begins! See their scarlet uniforms! Watch as their glittering chariots move into position, with a forest of spears waving above them. The chariots race recklessly along the streets and through the squares, swift as lightning, flickering like torches. The king shouts to his officers; they stumble in their haste, rushing to the walls to set up their defenses. But too late! The river gates are open! The enemy has entered! The palace is about to collapse! Nineveh's exile has been decreed, and all the servant girls mourn its capture. Listen to them moan like doves; watch them beat their breasts in sorrow. Nineveh is like a leaking water reservoir! The people are slipping away. "Stop, stop!" someone shouts, but the people just keep on running. Loot the silver! Plunder the gold! There seems no end to Nineveh's many treasures – its vast, uncounted wealth. Soon the city is an empty shambles, stripped of its wealth. Hearts melt in horror, and knees shake. The people stand aghast, their faces pale and trembling. (Nahum 2:2-10 NLT)

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An Angry Jealous genocidal God

"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.' But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn." So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings. (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)

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God Will Kill Ethiopia ; slaughter them by the sword

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

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God's Human Slaughter Fest

Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)

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God Will Kill Everyone

"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

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Fire Breathing Dragons

"Can you draw out Leviathan with a fishhook? Or press down his tongue with a cord? "Can you put a rope in his nose Or pierce his jaw with a hook? "Will he make many supplications to you, Or will he speak to you soft words? "Will he make a covenant with you? Will you take him for a servant forever? "Will you play with him as with a bird, Or will you bind him for your maidens? "Will the traders bargain over him? Will they divide him among the merchants? "Can you fill his skin with harpoons, Or his head with fishing spears? "Lay your hand on him; Remember the battle; you will not do it again! "Behold, your expectation is false; Will you be laid low even at the sight of him? "No one is so fierce that he dares to arouse him; Who then is he that can stand before Me? "Who has given to Me that I should repay {him?} {Whatever} is under the whole heaven is Mine.

"I will not keep silence concerning his limbs, Or his mighty strength, or his orderly frame. "Who can strip off his outer armor? Who can come within his double mail? "Who can open the doors of his face? Around his teeth there is terror. "{His} strong scales are {his} pride, Shut up {as with} a tight seal. "One is so near to another That no air can come between them. "They are joined one to another; They clasp each other and cannot be separated. "His sneezes flash forth light, And his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. "Out of his mouth go burning torches; Sparks of fire leap forth. "Out of his nostrils smoke goes forth As {from} a boiling pot and {burning} rushes. "His breath kindles coals, And a flame goes forth from his mouth. "In his neck lodges strength, And dismay leaps before him. "The folds of his flesh are joined together, Firm on him and immovable. "His heart is as hard as a stone, Even as hard as a lower millstone.

"When he raises himself up, the mighty fear; Because of the crashing they are bewildered. "The sword that reaches him cannot avail, Nor the spear, the dart or the javelin. "He regards iron as straw, Bronze as rotten wood. "The arrow cannot make him flee; Slingstones are turned into stubble for him. "Clubs are regarded as stubble; He laughs at the rattling of the javelin. "His underparts are {like} sharp potsherds; He spreads out {like} a threshing sledge on the mire. "He makes the depths boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a jar of ointment. "Behind him he makes a wake to shine; One would think the deep to be gray-haired. "Nothing on earth is like him, One made without fear. "He looks on everything that is high; He is king over all the sons of pride." (Job 41:1-34 NAS)

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Hammer Tent Peg Into Head

Meanwhile, Sisera ran to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because Heber's family was on friendly terms with King Jabin of Hazor. Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, "Come into my tent, sir. Come in. Don't be afraid." So he went into her tent, and she covered him with a blanket. "Please give me some water," he said. "I'm thirsty." So she gave him some milk to drink and covered him again. "Stand at the door of the tent," he told her. "If anybody comes and asks you if there is anyone here, say no." But when Sisera fell asleep from exhaustion, Jael quietly crept up to him with a hammer and tent peg. Then she drove the tent peg through his temple and into the ground, and so he died. When Barak came looking for Sisera, Jael went out to meet him. She said, "Come, and I will show you the man you are looking for." So he followed her into the tent and found Sisera lying there dead, with the tent peg through his temple. So on that day Israel saw God subdue Jabin, the Canaanite king. And from that time on Israel became stronger and stronger against King Jabin, until they finally destroyed him. (Judges 4:17-24 NLT)

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Murder and Slavery

The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.

When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in Mount Heres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves. (Judges 1:21-35 NLT)

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Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

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Ten Thousand Murdered at God's Command

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)

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Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

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Canaan Enslaved for Absurd Reason

Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the Lord my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. May God make space for Japheth, and let him live in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." (Genesis 9:20-27 NRSV)

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Family Killed leaving not a single male child, as the LORD had promised through the prophet Jehu

Then Zimri, who commanded half of the royal chariots, made plans to kill him. One day in Tirzah, Elah was getting drunk at the home of Arza, the supervisor of the palace. Zimri walked in and struck him down and killed him. This happened in the twenty-seventh year of King Asa's reign in Judah. Then Zimri became the next king. Zimri immediately killed the entire royal family of Baasha, and he did not leave a single male child. He even destroyed distant relatives and friends. So Zimri destroyed the dynasty of Baasha as the LORD had promised through the prophet Jehu. This happened because of the sins of Baasha and his son Elah and because of all the sins they led Israel to commit, arousing the anger of the LORD, the God of Israel, with their idols. (1 Kings 16:9-13 NLT)

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Killed by a Lion for disobedience to the Lord's voice.

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

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Exterminate 7 Nations

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?' But don't be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)

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Bible Quote for August 1

Kill Everyone in 7 Nations

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)
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runciter

20-06-2009, 10:52 AM

And why were they in a position to do that in the first place? How did they acquire the power that other races can only aspire to? Don't just say by exploiting others, to be able to exploit others one must have power to start with.

it is only absence of humanity.

you can do a lot of things to others, if you feel no empathy for them.

runciter

20-06-2009, 10:56 AM

Yes and it is all the the Book which is Holy to the Europeans and Americans: Bible: a book allegedly written by the descendents of African slaves.

the genocidal programming is contained in the old testament, the decision to attach the old testament to the gospels, and to get rid of all gnostic wisdom, was taken by the romans; the old testament was written by the babylonian priesthood.

breezinreezin

20-06-2009, 10:56 AM

swethirte

20-06-2009, 10:58 AM

it is only absence of humanity.

you can do a lot of things to others, if you feel no empathy for them.

But white people don't have a monopoly on lack of empathy.

d9d9d9

20-06-2009, 11:03 AM

Mass = success. Brilliant, you have ended all philsophical argument.

Perhaps then the cockroach is the most successful, being they have the highest mass?
Brilliant! :D
Looks like there's a lot of (far-right) cockroaches crawling around forums these days too...

runciter

20-06-2009, 11:06 AM

But white people don't have a monopoly on lack of empathy.

we were only more active than others, maybe the bible played some role in this.

dogsmilk

20-06-2009, 11:08 AM

LOL.

Diversifying a bit here aren't you mate? I see you've set yourself up as a zoologist for this little battle. Cats are not known for attending synagogue on a Saturday. That aside, what you said about lions and tigers is simply not true. Not that I'm a zoologist or anything. Prior to looking I simply had a, 'nah, bollocks', reaction to that. But a quick google explains that this only ever happens with captive cats, and simply does not occur in the wild. And other species do not routinely interbreed in the wild either. Logic tells you that. If they did you'd have magcrows, mistle blackbirds, robtits, weasrats, cricketants, get the picture.

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Well duh - lions and tigers live in different regions. If they routinely interbred they'd simply be a new species wouldn't there? (wildcats, however, will happily breed with domestic cats) The point is they don't give a shit about 'race' and don't have some kind of objection to their race being tainted - because the entire concept is a linguistic creation and is not part of nature - a captive tiger won't look at a captive lion and think bloody lion - I'm not shagging that - it looks different - send 'em back to Africa, that's what I say! will it?
Fuck knows what your synagogue comment is supposed to mean. Cats don't go to churches, mosques or Sikh temples either - what of it?

Logic tells you that. If they did you'd have magcrows, mistle blackbirds, robtits, weasrats, cricketants, get the picture.

Well a lot of species can't interbreed can they? That tends to underline their species. Some creatures can. Again, if they get the opportunity even if that's in captivity, they don't care about their 'race' being kept 'pure' do they? Black people and white people fancy each other don't they? Throughout history different human 'races' have happily interbred - because any differences between what we call 'races' are very superficial and only become an issue when people invent bullshit concepts. We all came out of Africa originally and we're all the same species.

izzy

20-06-2009, 11:37 AM

Brilliant! :D
Looks like there's a lot of (far-right) cockroaches crawling around forums these days too...

looking in a mirror again .. you are still poking fum at the dead .. you think it is funny that a 27 year old died of cancer ...and you have a picture of her in tears as she is informed she has cancer .. how sick can you be ... are you luciferian ? i think you are .. which is why you cannot see why it is completely evil to have that picture as your avatar

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20-06-2009, 11:56 AM

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20-06-2009, 12:03 PM

Vaccines: To Heal or Not to Heal

Vaccinations are touted as the public health preventive measure of choice - the must-do in preventive medicine. There is little or no surveillance once a vaccine has hit the market, particularly for the vaccines that were introduced decades ago. And there is reason to believe that much of the touted success of vaccines is due to tricking the statistics and to independent external factors such as better hygiene.

Yet, with all that preventive fervor, our health keeps deteriorating. Autism is on the rise, so are cancer and heart disease and a number of other illnesses that should, if we logically look at it, be possible to prevent.

While there is much evidence that nutrients are needed for prevention of illness, the emphasis of pharmaceutically controlled medicine and public health authorities remains firmly fixed on toxic pharmaceuticals, both in prevention and cure. The trend is rising. Having saturated the "markets" of the industrialized nations, a great push is on to extend the saving grace of our brand of medicine to developing countries.

Vaccine victim and health campaigner Jagannath Chatterjee describes what is happening in India, how in a rather mindless way the "preventive" procedures of Western medicine are being put into effect there. His description is quite representative for what is happening in a number of developing countries, and he asks some pertinent questions. (...)

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2008/09/16/vaccines_to_heal_or_not_to_heal.htm

runciter

20-06-2009, 12:04 PM

1.1.5. Cancer

Until recently cancer has been considered a death verdict. Recent advances in natural health and cellular medicine have fundamentally changed that. For this disease too, it is now obvious that medical research with non-patentable therapies has been deliberately neglected and excluded by the accused in favor of ineffective drugs that allow the continuation of the cancer epidemic as one of their most profitable markets. Because of the extraordinary significance of the crimes committed by the accused in connection with the cancer epidemic it is presented here in more detail.

It is a scientific fact that all cancers spread by the same mechanism, the use of collagen digesting enzymes (collagenases, metalloproteinases). The therapeutic use of the natural amino acid lysine - especially together with other non-patentable micronutrients - can block these enzymes and thereby inhibit the spread of cancer cells. All types of cancer studied thus far respond to this therapeutic approach including breast cancer, prostate cancer, lung cancer, skin cancer, fibroblastoma, synovial cancer and any other forms of cancer.

The only reason why this breakthrough in medicine has not been investigated further and applied in the treatment of cancer patients worldwide is the fact that these substances are not patentable and therefore have low profit margins. More importantly, any effective treatment of any disease ultimately leads to its eradication and to the destruction of a multi-trillion-dollar market of pharmaceutical drugs.

The pharmaceutical drug marketing for cancer patients has been particularly fraudulent and malicious. Under the pretence of treating cancer using the cover-term 'chemo-therapy' toxic substances, including derivatives of mustard gas, are applied to patients. The fact that these toxic agents also destroy millions of healthy cells in the body is deliberately factored in.

Knowing this fact, the following consequences were deliberately taken into account: First, cancer would continue as a global epidemic, providing the economic basis for a multi-trillion-dollar continued business with this disease. Secondly, the systematic application of toxic agents in the form of chemotherapy causes an epidemic of new diseases in cancer patients receiving these toxic substances.

As a result of this strategy, the pharmaceutical drug market from treating the dangerous side effects of these drugs - including infections, inflammation, bleeding, organ failure etc. - is even bigger than the market of the chemotherapy drugs itself. Thus, the accused also applied their organized deception scheme to the detriment of hundreds of millions of cancer patients with one purpose only: their financial enrichment.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/pharmaceutical_corporations_accused_of_genocide_be fore_icc_in_the_hague.htm

resistance

20-06-2009, 12:06 PM

The term "racist" is a powerfull tool for social control, The truth is many black people have a chip on thier shoulder because they blame white people for the troubles of the world. Nothing can be further than the truth, black, yellow or brown people inflict enough misery upon thier own race's.
It's mind boggling how most black people never seem to realise or acknowledge how certain people from thier own race are also profiteering from thier suffering.

izzy

20-06-2009, 12:13 PM

90 per cent take-up by schoolgirls for vaccination against Jade Goody cancer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/jade-goody/5056261/90-per-cent-take-up-by-schoolgirls-for-vaccination-against-Jade-Goody-cancer.html

well that is nt jades fault .. my point is that d9d9d .. come onto all these threads to call everyone racist scum .. and he has the most closed heart of all .. that avatar .. is so disrespectful ..

it is appalling that other people have not said something .. what is funny about a young woman crying because she has just been informed she has cancer ... taht is what that avartar is .. it was taken at the time and moment she was told she had cancer ... which she died of a few months later

now d9 is either luciferian , very young and stupid and lacking in empathy .. or pure evil ...

he is laughing at jade ..and her pain and death .. it disgusts me

sorath

20-06-2009, 12:19 PM

greed, violence, extermination, religious and economic subjugation, absence of human feelings.

Cheers Runciter, I don't think I could have put it better myself. :D The arguement is staggering. Steppwar said that I would bring up some pseudo science bullshit to argue against exactly that. I'm suprised it didn't come in a pie chart to emphasize the point.

So the arguement rests on the fact that the mostly white populated areas produce more stuff? I'd imagine it quite hard to produce all this stuff and export it around the world if your country was being manipulated beyond belief and kept from reaching its potential.

Racists just want to have sex with the women of the race they claim to hate but don't have the balls to approach them because they are scared of rejection lol

NP - Gotterdammerung - Richard Wagner and reading my signed copy of The turner diaries.

dogsmilk

20-06-2009, 12:38 PM

Racists just want to have sex with the women of the race they claim to hate but don't have the balls to approach them because they are scared of rejection lol

Have you ever seen this? It's very interesting. It follows three ex-c18 members years later. Two have moved on a bit - one has a black best mate. But the third who it concentrates on the most is a complete dick. Your comment made me think of it because of the priceless bit when he's totally headfucked when his long suffering partner reveals he previously went out with a mixed race woman. The guy is such a twat it's unbelievable.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

It's in six parts. The other parts are easily found on the youtube sidebar.

runciter

20-06-2009, 12:42 PM

well that is nt jades fault .. my point is that d9d9d .. come onto all these threads to call everyone racist scum .. and he has the most closed heart of all .. that avatar .. is so disrespectful ..

it is appalling that other people have not said something .. what is funny about a young woman crying because she has just been informed she has cancer ... taht is what that avartar is .. it was taken at the time and moment she was told she had cancer ... which she died of a few months later

now d9 is either luciferian , very young and stupid and lacking in empathy .. or pure evil ...

he is laughing at jade ..and her pain and death .. it disgusts me

complete lack of empathy, i agree.

of course it wasn't goody's fault, if her suffering was used to promote vaccinations.

they are deceiving us on the true nature of cancer, this is the painful truth, and vaccinations are another trap.

swethirte

20-06-2009, 12:47 PM

So the arguement rests on the fact that the mostly white populated areas produce more stuff? I'd imagine it quite hard to produce all this stuff and export it around the world if your country was being manipulated beyond belief and kept from reaching its potential.

Let's just stop giving them billions in aid then, and see what happens.

Racists just want to have sex with the women of the race they claim to hate but don't have the balls to approach them because they are scared of rejection lol

What on earth are you talking about?

resistance

20-06-2009, 01:18 PM

Racists just want to have sex with the women of the race they claim to hate

WTF are yu talking about??
How I see it many black men just use and abuse white woman and treat them like dirt, ofcoarse there are the ones that are in happy, healthy and loving relationships, but the general attitude of black men towards white women is sickening.
I'm not one to hastily judge but you have only got to see how many black men treat thier women folk in thier native countries, in many cases it's inbred in them to treat women like cattle, infact worse in some cases. I have seen men beating thier women with sticks, I wouldn't do that to my dog let alone the woman that I am supposed to love and honour.
Trust me I know iv'e spent months in Africa and seen it first hand, In many parts of Africa the men force women into prostitution and many young girls, as young as six or seven are raped. It pisses me off when the black man talks about how the white man is evil, maybe many should take a look at themselves or look and see what thier black brothers are up to, before they judge the whole of the white race. Yeh true many white people may be evil, but no more evil than the black man.

diamondgeezer

20-06-2009, 01:43 PM

Let's just stop giving them billions in aid then, and see what happens.

What would happen?

All that 'aid' is doing fuck-all to help the Third World, and guess what..it isn't meant to. Its bollocks, a lie.

sorath

20-06-2009, 01:50 PM

Let's just stop giving them billions in aid then, and see what happens.

Billions of what? Sacks of food? Nah you know in your heart its all bullshit. The money created to "loan" to third world countries is the same money that keeps them enslaved. Its not like the western world is feeding and clothing the third world, is it?

The so called money goes straight into the political bank accounts of the pre installed western puppet governments.

The people never benefit and thats the whole point. Perpetual debt and still there is poverty.

In regards to my comment about what you would probably call being a race traitor, I was just poking for a reaction.

I personally could never be racist because I have met loads of white people that I can't fucking stand. Scum comes in every colour.

izzy

20-06-2009, 01:55 PM

i think the term racist is invented in its use today by the govt .. so if you say anything like ' life in our country is becoming more difficult with 5 million extra people .. i am taxed more, more coprwded .. everything is harder ' they the ruling class will call ' racist ' so everyone shuts up

it is bollocks the whole racism movement has been designed to control and manipulate the Proletarians or the plebs .. or the backbone .. US ! [ as in us not UNITED STATES :) ]

cant you guys see it is all bollocks .. it is a whole industry designed to keep everyone ... down ..

why is a ' racist ' murder worse then a ' murder ' that occured because the murderer did not like someone's shape or face or smile .. or just cos thjey were in teh wrong place ..

wake up .. you guys that are still crapping on about people being ' racist ' .. it is such rubbish and it keeps you stuck in the 3 d world ..

dont repeat the elites agenda for control

breezinreezin

20-06-2009, 02:36 PM

Well duh - lions and tigers live in different regions. If they routinely interbred they'd simply be a new species wouldn't there?

So what was your point here thenOther species will interbreed where they can and will be happily diverse. You don't see animals not liking each other simply because their fur is a different colour. Lions and tigers don't get their knickers in a twist over miscegenation with the liger other than to infer the OP is way off beam because the rest of the animal kingdom will stick it where it fits, without qualms. They don't. Stop talking nonsense.

I'll reiterate, lions and tigers only interbreed in captivity, where they aren't given much of a choice. I'd say that's a case of any port in a storm, not a cause for glee. If they lived closely in the wild they'd kill rather than fuck each other. I think it'd be a pretty newsworthy story if they found a tiger who, given the choice, pined after the lion in the other pen, rather than the cute tiger in his own. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument or opportunity to mock.

Well a lot of species can't interbreed can they? That tends to underline their species. Some creatures can. Again, if they get the opportunity even if that's in captivity, they don't care about their 'race' being kept 'pure' do they?Are you asking me or telling me? Happy, care, what's your name Dr Dolittle.It's instinctual, not a matter of capriciousness.

Black people and white people fancy each other don't they? Throughout history different human 'races' have happily interbred - because any differences between what we call 'races' are very superficial and only become an issue when people invent bullshit concepts. We all came out of Africa originally and we're all the same species.See, even your replies have a pushmepullme quality, they don't know whether to be questions or answers.

Well, this had nothing to do with my argument, but I'll bite. Sure blacks, whites, yellows and reds can fancy each other, but it's the exception rather than the rule. Like the rest of the animal kingdom, it would seem, given the choice, we have a prediliction for our own kind. Some might sit down and conceptualise their choices, but I doubt that most will. It is, how it is. It's not an invention or subtle brainwashing. It's the way of the world. As a rule we chose mates that are most like us.

Fucking annoying isn't it, people not conforming to our ideas of how people should be. There is a way out though: drop those bullshit, invented concepts.

kasalt

20-06-2009, 02:45 PM

Anti racists are anti race, and as racism is a law of nature, they are anti nature...so to be anti racist, is to be anti race and anti nature.

What happens if you fall in love with someone of another race? Are you being "anti nature" then?

dogsmilk

20-06-2009, 03:18 PM

So what was your point here then other than to infer the OP is way off beam because the rest of the animal kingdom will stick it where it fits, without qualms. They don't. Stop talking nonsense.

I'll reiterate, lions and tigers only interbreed in captivity, where they aren't given much of a choice. I'd say that's a case of any port in a storm, not a cause for glee. If they lived closely in the wild they'd kill rather than fuck each other. I think it'd be a pretty newsworthy story if they found a tiger who, given the choice, pined after the lion in the other pen, rather than the cute tiger in his own. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument or opportunity to mock.

Are you asking me or telling me? Happy, care, what's your name Dr Dolittle.It's instinctual, not a matter of capriciousness.

See, even your replies have a pushmepullme quality, they don't know whether to be questions or answers.

Well, this had nothing to do with my argument, but I'll bite. Sure blacks, whites, yellows and reds can fancy each other, but it's the exception rather than the rule. Like the rest of the animal kingdom, it would seem, given the choice, we have a prediliction for our own kind. Some might sit down and conceptualise their choices, but I doubt that most will. It is, how it is. It's not an invention or subtle brainwashing. It's the way of the world. As a rule we chose mates that are most like us.

Fucking annoying isn't it, people not conforming to our ideas of how people should be. There is a way out though: drop those bullshit, invented concepts.

Oh for God's sake, the point is the OP was trying to say racism is 'part of nature', and I was simply pointing out it's a human construction which is not part of nature. To illustrate that, a lion will shag a tiger and has no fucking concept it's the 'wrong race'. Comprende? Or do I need to walk you through it again?
And what do you mean "they don't have much choice"? They have enough fucking trouble getting pandas to get it on in captivity don't they?

Keeping the two species separate has always been standard procedure.[8] However, ligers have occurred and do occur by accident in captivity. Several AZA zoos are reported to have ligers.

Liger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i.e. if end up in the same place, they may well fuck each other.

Ligers still occur in captive facilities almost entirely by accident. This is a result of the close conditions of captivity and usually human error.

One reputable facility kept a few female tigers in a large exercise enclosure with a young lion. As the lion was a juvenile, and of a different species, it simply never occurred to anyone that offspring would result -- until the births three months later.

It is unlikely a mating of this type would ever occur in the wild, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, lion and tiger habitats do not meet, though you'll often hear claims that they overlap in one area of the world, this being the Gir National Park and Lion Sanctuary in Bangladesh. The truth is tigers are not found within 100 miles of Gir Forest.

Within the sanctuary itself is the only lion subspecies found outside of Africa. This is the very rare Asiatic lion (only a few hundred remain and they face extinction). The lion rules in Gir Forest and no tigers are found there. Tigers are not found in Africa, and are restricted to Asia.

Though it is conceivable that a tiger may cross into lion territory, both species are so rare that it is highly unlikely the two would ever meet. On top of this, the Gir Forest is surrounded by farming and agriculture. The lions within the sanctuary are effectively captive in the wild and tigers do not like to cross large stretches of open ground.

What would happen if the two species did meet? The very solitary tiger would be little inclined to join in with the more social pride of lions. Apart from periods of mating, tigers even go out of their way to avoid their own species.

http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/ligers2.html

* Dog hybrids are crosses between different breeds and are often bred selectively.
* Hybrid Iguana is single cross hybrid, result of natural inbreeding from male marine iguana and female land Iguana since late 2000s.
* Equid hybrids
o Mule, a cross of female horse and a male donkey.
o Hinny, a cross between a female donkey and a male horse. Mule and Hinny are examples of reciprocal hybrids.
o Zebroids
+ Zeedonk or Zonkey, a zebra/donkey cross.
+ Zorse, a zebra/horse cross
+ Zony or Zetland, a zebra/pony cross ("zony" is a generic term; "zetland" is specifically a hybrid of the Shetland pony breed with a zebra)
* Bovid hybrids
o Dzo, zo or yakow; a cross between a domestic cow/bull and a yak.
o Beefalo, a cross of an American Bison and a domestic cow. This is a fertile breed; this along with genetic evidence has caused them to be recently reclassified into the same genus, Bos.
o Zubron, a hybrid between Wisent (European Bison) and domestic cow.
* Sheep-goat hybrids, such as the The Toast of Botswana.
* Ursid hybrids, such as the Grizzly-polar bear hybrid, occur between black bears, brown bears, Kodiak and polar bears.
* Felid hybrids
o Savannah cats are the hybrid cross between an African serval cat and a Domestic cat
o A hybrid between a Bengal tiger and a Siberian tiger is an example of an intra-specific hybrid.
o Ligers and Tigons (crosses between a Lion and a Tiger) and other Panthera hybrids such as the Lijagulep. Various other wild cat crosses are known involving the Lynx, Bobcat, Leopard, Serval, etc.
o Bengal cat, a cross between the Asian Leopard cat and the domestic cat, one of many hybrids between the domestic cat and wild cat species. The domestic cat, African wild cat and European wildcat may be considered variant populations of the same species (Felis silvestris), making such crosses non-hybrids.
* Fertile Canid hybrids occur between coyotes, wolves, dingoes, jackals and domestic dogs.
* Hybrids between Black Rhinos & White Rhinos have been recognized.
* Hybrids between spotted owls and barred owls
* Cama, a cross between a Camel and a Llama, also an intergeneric hybrid.
* Wholphin, a fertile but very rare cross between a False Killer Whale and a Bottlenose Dolphin.
* A fertile cross between an albino King Snake and an albino Corn Snake.
* At Chester Zoo in the United Kingdom, a cross between African elephant (male) and Asian elephant (female). The male calf was named Motty. It died of gut infection after twelve days.
* Cagebird breeders sometimes breed hybrids between species of finch, such as Goldfinch x Canary. These birds are known as Mules.
* Gamebird hybrids, hybrids between gamebirds and domestic fowl, including Chickens, Guineafowl and Peafowl, interfamilial hybrids.
* Numerous Macaw hybrids are also known.
* Red Kite x Black Kite: 5 bred unintentionally at a falconry center in England. (It is reported that the black kite (the male) refused female black kites but mated with two female red kites.)
* Hybridization between the endemic Cuban Crocodile (Crocodilus rhombifer) and the widely distributed American Crocodile (Crocodilus acutus) is causing conservation problems for the former species as a threat to its genetic integrity. [2]
* Blood parrot cichlid, which is probably created by crossing a Gold Severum and a Midas Cichlid or Red Devil Cichlid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Hybrids#Interspecific_hybri

...animals...don't...care...about...race...racism. ..is...not...'part of nature'. Without language, the entire mechanism of racism does not exist. Am I going to be repeating this all day?
Territorial behaviour is 'natural' - and that is not about race, it's about social groupings. Still nice one on willfully missing the point by carping on endlessly about ligers.

What do you mean "it's the exception"? A study released this year from Lucinda Platt found -

• 48 percent of Black Caribbean men are in mixed race relationships.
• 34 percent of Black Caribbean women are in mixed race relationships.
• Inter-ethnic partnerships were more prevalent than average also among Black African (22%) – versus 17% of women - and Chinese women (39% )- versus 17% men.
• Overall, younger people from most ethnic backgrounds are more likely to be in mixed race relationships; 10 percent of 16-29 year olds, compared to 8 percent of 30-59 year olds.

The decline in partnerships among people from the same ethnic background may reflect a general view that race itself does not provide as meaningful a basis when selecting a partner, compared to other things young people may have in common like education, friends, attitudes and beliefs, suggests the author of the report.

http://www.foreignersinuk.co.uk/news-multicultural_britain_faces_mixed-race_boom_534.html

Indeed, I was under the impression the UK has a very large degree of racial mixing. Like it matters.

Indeed, I'd suggest culture is a bigger potential barrier than 'race' - a strict Muslim and a hedonistic atheist may find they have little in common. But you've got to be a complete fucktard to believe someone you've a lot in common with who grew up on the same estate is somehow 'not like you' because they have darker skin.

How do you conceptualise "our own kind"? Personally "my own kind" would be fulfilled far more by a black woman than a white racist woman. Racists are not "my kind" no matter what their skin colour or what continent they happened to be born on. So yes, I'm attracted to partners who are like me - not racists. Jeez, imagine going out with a racist. The thought just seems all weird and abnormal. You might even end up with a mixed racist child.

There is a way out though: drop those bullshit, invented concepts.

Exactly!! Racism is a bullshit invented concept. Finally!

dogsmilk

20-06-2009, 03:31 PM

What happens if you fall in love with someone of another race? Are you being "anti nature" then?

Ah, that would make you a "race traitor" - at least that's what far right twats seem to think.

baron von lotsov

20-06-2009, 04:12 PM

breezinreezin

20-06-2009, 05:20 PM

Oh for God's sake, the point is the OP was trying to say racism is 'part of nature', and I was simply pointing out it's a human construction which is not part of nature. To illustrate that, a lion will shag a tiger and has no fucking concept it's the 'wrong race'. Comprende? Or do I need to walk you through it again?
And what do you mean "they don't have much choice"? They have enough fucking trouble getting pandas to get it on in captivity don't they?

No he didn't, he stated that it was a construct, which you've concurred with. Your point was clear: to try and make the OP, like every other person you take issue with, look a mug. You screwed up with your reasoning and now you're trying to distance yourself.

...animals...don't...care...about...race...racism. ..is...not...'part of nature'. Without language, the entire mechanism of racism does not exist. Am I going to be repeating this all day?
Territorial behaviour is 'natural' - and that is not about race, it's about social groupings.You do have a tendency to repeat things, with slight wriggled, variations, so there's a good chance of that. The fact that racism is a concept, an abstract notion, whatever, is not in dispute, by myself or the OP (you're not the only one, who can repeat you know). You've, stunningly, created an argument, where one didn't exist. Again. Do you feel the slightest bit foolish yet, or are we in for more repetition (wriggling).

What do you mean "it's the exception"? A study released this year from Lucinda Platt found -The research “Ethnicity and family: Relationships within and between ethnic groups”, commissioned by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), reveals that the percentage of young people from ethnic minority backgrounds is on the rise, as is the number of young people from families of mixed heritage.Oh, FFS. That's like the Pinko Liberal Bleeding Hearts Society commissioning a study on: "deprivation and low self-esteem, the link with crime". 'EHRC reveals that the percentage of young people from ethnic minority backgrounds is on the rise as is the number of young people from families of mixed heritage, ', No shit. I would bet, and if I could be arsed I'd look, that you would also find that the white British population are having fewer kids, if it matches what is happening with other European populations, like Italy and France. It's certainly no proof that we all having a rainbow tribe love-in.

Indeed, I was under the impression the UK has a very large degree of racial mixing. Like it matters. Seems to matter a lot to you--need I attribute here, or will you just accept that (some chance).

How do you conceptualise "our own kind"? Ethnicity, class same or similar cultural and/or religous background, will probably do it. It varies and, like most things, is subject to the prevailing conditions.

Personally "my own kind" would be fulfilled far more by a black woman than a white racist woman. Racists are not "my kind" no matter what their skin colour or what continent they happened to be born on.Of course it would, because you're ever so, ever so progressive.
Fact is, if you didn't have racists to rail against, you'd have to invent an enemy to reinforce your metroman indentity. That's the nature of dualism, we are who we are, because of who we ain't.

swethirte

20-06-2009, 05:25 PM

If race is just a "construct", why is it so crucially important in human relations? Or, to put it another way, why is it so crucially important (to most people in most societies, anyway, there will obviously be exceptions).

father ted

20-06-2009, 05:28 PM

Truly racist people will reincarnate as the race they hated, so blaming groups of people based on what their ancestors did in the past is... well, what's the word I'm looking for... wrong and illogical andit's like an oximoron.

breezinreezin

20-06-2009, 05:33 PM

mrindigo

20-06-2009, 05:33 PM

Mass = success. Brilliant, you have ended all philsophical argument.

Perhaps then the cockroach is the most successful, being they have the highest mass?

Hahaha, that made my day, thanks. :D:D:D

swethirte

20-06-2009, 05:36 PM

Race isn't the construct, racism, a social consruct, is.

But surely racism is caused by the fact that there are different races?

breezinreezin

20-06-2009, 05:46 PM

Exactly!! Racism is a bullshit invented concept. Finally!

FFS, how many times are you going to edit (wriggle).

Goodo, then that'll be the last we here of it from you then, though I won't hold my breath:rolleyes:

zero1

20-06-2009, 05:47 PM

There is only one race - the Human race. "Racism" is not racism at all, but skin-colourism, or ultra-nationalism, designed to reinforce the notion that one sub-division of the human race is superior or better than another. It's bullshit.

Also, what is considered by the human mind "natural" may not in fact be "good".

breezinreezin

20-06-2009, 05:50 PM

<Pufffing> Cant' keep up with edits.

A dogsmilk: a cross between Alistair Campbell and Julian Clary. Very fucking rare, but findable, if you google long enough:rolleyes:

mrindigo

20-06-2009, 05:54 PM

Associating race with successfulness is ludicrous.

Ancient Rome, Egypt/Alexandria, etc were some of the greatest empires in human history and were comprised of many different races.

All race is, is a product of regional adaptation. In other words, like other animals humans changed to adapt to their environment. White people for example are fair skinned to take in U.V light better in the cloudy cold north lands, and typically have thicker bones than other races to deal with the cold. It's just adaptation. A point will likely come when the races meld into one race as the planetary population grows. This isn't a bad thing really, as I foresee the best qualities of each race potentially being used in the natural creation of the ultimate human being.

It's commonly thought that man originated out of Africa ,though some debate this and claim it's Asia, which it may be. Others believe there to be a less than conventional reason for the creation of man, and think humanity were created by an alien race. Regardless of where our species came from, we did eventually break off from a single race to form many others. As I see it, merging DNA and Genes of races is like returning home. Who knows, maybe this merging may awaken the so called 'junk' DNA we all have? I can't prove that because I'm no geneticist, but it's crossed my mind. I figure the Elite pit races against each other for a reason. Maybe they fear that DNA being woken up?

I don't see a point in fighting something that will unify man, rather than trying to cling to old violent and bigot-like habits. Personally I see the separation as hindering the progression of humanity.

michael christopher

20-06-2009, 05:57 PM

You're mentally insane.

onewave

20-06-2009, 06:25 PM

zero1: well said!
One race: the human race.

Next time I'm filling out a questionaire or applying for some document and I come accross Race:____ I'm gonna write "human", 'cause that's what it is.

I remeber taking SAT's (a school test) in the states in the 80's and you had to select your race from a list...bizzare.
Hopefully that's no longer there.

"human" was not a choice:cool:

kurupted_flesh

20-06-2009, 06:34 PM

Interesting how white people are now saying that the concept of racism is bullshit - when y'all the original racists, and the exploitation of other races is one of the main reasons why you are where you are today. Convenient!

Anyway - a couple of videos for you all to enjoy!

Nature of the threat - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

- Flesh.

dogsmilk

20-06-2009, 06:38 PM

No he didn't, he stated that it was a construct, which you've concurred with. Your point was clear: to try and make the OP, like every other person you take issue with, look a mug. You screwed up with your reasoning and now you're trying to distance yourself.

Anti racists are anti race, and as racism is a law of nature, they are anti nature.
The modern-day notion of racism, is a bogus social construct, invented by communists, in order to destroy the White race, by making white people feel guilty for being pre-eminently successful as a race.
The racist mindset is a natural instinct, geared to ensure racial preservation
Racist behaviour, is the result of racial conflict, brought about by the unnatural condition of racial diversity.
No racial diversity......no racist behaviour. Get it?
Race is a reality, there is no escaping that fact. And racism is a law of nature; so to be anti racist, is to be anti race and anti nature.

See - he said the modern day notion of racism i.e. the negative image of racism "invented by communists" is the social construct while he's arguing that it is natural to be racist in what he sees as a positive sense of the term.

You do have a tendency to repeat things, with slight wriggled, variations, so there's a good chance of that. The fact that racism is a concept, an abstract notion, whatever, is not in dispute, by myself or the OP (you're not the only one, who can repeat you know). You've, stunningly, created an argument, where one didn't exist. Again. Do you feel the slightest bit foolish yet, or are we in for more repetition (wriggling).

My argument is indeed that racism is a social construct. Hence this conflicts with the OP who believes "racism is a law of nature" which is "geared to ensure racial preservation". My argument from the outset is that notions of race are created by humans and simply did not exist before we used language. We do not 'seek to preserve the race' through some hypothetical instinct, we invent bullshit justifications for our territorial instincts which do not necessarily manifest themselves just around race - as I said in my opening post.
You are now trying to confuse the issue by invoking the OP's assertion anti-racism is a social construct. And so it is. We recognise some stupid people make a big deal about superficial differences among humans so it's useful to have a term to describe these morons. If we just called them "twats" that would be too general. But nobody is arguing that anti-racism is some kind of natural instinct. It's just something we got through the magic of rationality and reason.
And some people embrace the term insofar as they will happily call themselves racists.

Oh, FFS. That's like the Pinko Liberal Bleeding Hearts Society commissioning a study on: "deprivation and low self-esteem, the link with crime". 'EHRC reveals that the percentage of young people from ethnic minority backgrounds is on the rise as is the number of young people from families of mixed heritage, ', No shit. I would bet, and if I could be arsed I'd look, that you would also find that the white British population are having fewer kids, if it matches what is happening with other European populations, like Italy and France. It's certainly no proof that we all having a rainbow tribe love-in.

Oh dear; I'm terribly sorry if actual research conflicts with your belief system. If you actually look around you, particularly in large urban centres, you may witness - to your horror - people of different ethnic backgrounds regularly copping off with one another. Whether white people are breeding less I really don't know - affluent post-industrial societies tend to see a declining birth rate generally - do you care who's breeding more? If so, why?
What do you want - laws against race mixing? Do you actually give a shit how many babies white people are having?
"pinko liberal bleeding hearts" - have you been watching Jim Davidson DVDS or something?

Ethnicity, class same or similar cultural and/or religous background, will probably do it. It varies and, like most things, is subject to the prevailing conditions.

And these are highly variable. A white person can have the same class, culture and religion as a black person and relate to them far better than another white person who is very different. Like I said, I can't relate to racists, so they're not "my kind".

Of course it would, because you're ever so, ever so progressive.
Fact is, if you didn't have racists to rail against, you'd have to invent an enemy to reinforce your metroman indentity. That's the nature of dualism, we are who we are, because of who we ain't.

I have zero interest in whether I'm "progressive' - I'm not even sure what that means. What's 'progressive' about not liking racist bullshit? Just seems like common sense to me.
I don't need to invent any "enemy" and have really no interest in any "metroman identity". What the fuck is a 'metroman' anyway? I can't stand all that observer lifestyle pullout crap.
I think you're projecting your own irrational need to define yourself against what you think you're not, apparently not realising the people you think aren't like you are in reality a lot more like you than you would accept.

Goodo, then that'll be the last we here of it from you then, though I won't hold my breath

You mean I frequently reply to posts?

Well I really am most dreadfully sorry.

<Pufffing> Cant' keep up with edits

I often edit a post just after posting it. I read it through and add stuff that occurs to me. Do you have a problem with that?
Yet bizarrely, your reply came ages later. How long did it take you to write that reply??

meksar

20-06-2009, 07:03 PM

If the Khazar's have received a easy ride for the holocaust(terrible event but blown out of proportion) by extorting billions through guilt based propaganda. Then surely the Blacks/Asians etc should be getting all kind of luxuries for slavery/exploitation and the continued impoverishment of their nations by the evilarchy. There is nothing wrong with having pride with your racial heritage, but it is very complex as a racial mixing agenda is clearly outlined in the protocols of Zion.

As a person of mixed heritage, i would say people who date outside of their race because it's "trendy" are wrong to do so. You cant help who you are physically and emotionally attracted to, but you should never go out of your way to date outside of your race. The Zionists ideology is "if we all keep fucking each other, we will end up as the same race". Now as a red blooded male living in melting pot of London, i have seen women from various racial/national backgrounds that made my head turn.

onewave

20-06-2009, 07:05 PM

Interesting how white people are now saying that the concept of racism is bullshit - when y'all the original racists

In case you mean me, I'm human, not white, or otherwise, but Human.
So are you, I guess.

Exploitation, slavery, extermination; all done by humans against other humans. Shameful and abhorrent then and shameful and abhorrent now.

Seeing people as different "races" made it possible.

baron von lotsov

20-06-2009, 08:01 PM

dynamicwiseman

20-06-2009, 08:09 PM

Africans had many fourshing civilizations on the contient, but barbarians with guns destoryed them.

dusthead

20-06-2009, 08:12 PM

diamondgeezer

20-06-2009, 08:19 PM

Interesting how white people are now saying that the concept of racism is bullshit - when y'all the original racists

Not so sure about that..the ancient Egyptians enslaved peoples of different race well before the white man did.

d9d9d9

20-06-2009, 08:38 PM

kurupted_flesh

20-06-2009, 08:42 PM

in case you mean me, i'm human, not white, or otherwise, but human.
So are you, I guess.

"I guess"? So you're implying that non-white people are, at best, only just human? What the fuck brother?!

Doc: 'Congratulations! You have a beautiful, black - erm, human, I guess.'

Exploitation, slavery, extermination; all done by humans against other humans.

Mostly white people, undeniably.

The World Is Beneath Me

onewave

20-06-2009, 09:24 PM

"I guess"? So you're implying that non-white people are, at best, only just human? What the fuck brother?!

I'm not what you would call "white" you stupid punk.

But I am your brother and we're all just human.

peace homie.

1wv

onewave

20-06-2009, 09:30 PM

So your NWO indoctrination pills are having the desired effect then?

Those pills actually divide people in their minds separating them into imaginary different "races".

Just make your own point

kurupted_flesh

20-06-2009, 10:14 PM

I'm not what you would call "white" you stupid punk.

What then? A pasty pink ?! Or light-orange like a cracker ?

I'm playing with you by the way - take a fucking chill pill.

felakuti

20-06-2009, 10:24 PM

And why were they in a position to do that in the first place? How did they acquire the power that other races can only aspire to? Don't just say by exploiting others, to be able to exploit others one must have power to start with.

You acquire power to use to exploit and kill others and that makes u better?

You're more than dumb.

felakuti

20-06-2009, 10:28 PM

Let's just stop giving them billions in aid then, and see what happens.

Again, EDITED white nations have seized (ie stolen) a thousand times more in foreign resources than they give in ''aid'', which in reality is mostly a scam set up to benefit the ''donor'' country in more ways than I'm bothered to mention.

newspresenter

20-06-2009, 11:06 PM

swethirte

20-06-2009, 11:58 PM

Africans had many fourshing civilizations on the contient, but barbarians with guns destoryed them.

Why did the "barbarians" have guns?

swethirte

21-06-2009, 12:00 AM

Again, you unschooled moron, white nations have seized (ie stolen) a thousand times more in foreign resources than they give in ''aid'', which in reality is mostly a scam set up to benefit the ''donor'' country in more ways than I'm bothered to mention.

What is it that gave them the power to do all this? Tribal cultures do exactly the same, but their power is limited. Why?

swethirte

21-06-2009, 12:01 AM

No. Racism is caused by the fact that there exist retards like yourself eager to base their relationship with other human beings on something as inconsequential as skin colour.

The big lie is that it's all about skin colour. It's actualy far more to do with culture and attitudes.

swethirte

21-06-2009, 12:03 AM

You acquire power to use to exploit and kill others and that makes u better?

You're more than dumb.

A rather unskillful avoidance of the question. Why did they have the power in the first place? You can be sure that any race that had it would use it.

newspresenter

21-06-2009, 12:05 AM

The big lie is that it's all about skin colour. It's actualy far more to do with culture and attitudes.

I'd someone to pinpoint exactly what racism is, because if you watch the documentary A Conversation About Race on google video, those normal everyday people had no collective idea. Some even thought being anti-gay was rascism :D

mynameis

21-06-2009, 01:30 AM

I'd someone to pinpoint exactly what racism is, because if you watch the documentary A Conversation About Race on google video, those normal everyday people had no collective idea. Some even thought being anti-gay was rascism :D

Racism is bigotry by way of a human being's birth. Being anti-gay is bigotry and hate towards sexual orientation. A human being born from any group in any walk of life is not a stigma; it is how individuals treat others and are then treated in kind that ostracizes, stigmatizes, and make amicable. Tabula Rasa is the defining element of all human beings and not the society in which they are born. Social groups inject morals, laws, education, and many more cosoms into a child's mind as Icke states.

newspresenter

21-06-2009, 02:10 AM

Racism is bigotry by way of a human being's birth. Being anti-gay is bigotry and hate towards sexual orientation. A human being born from any group in any walk of life is not a stigma; it is how individuals treat others and are then treated in kind that ostracizes, stigmatizes, and make amicable. Tabula Rasa is the defining element of all human beings and not the society in which they are born. Social groups inject morals, laws, education, and many more cosoms into a child's mind as Icke states.

Should people be allowed to dislike other sexual persuations to their own? Sexually, is being gay, anti-hetrosexual? Thus, is not liking the sexual act of hetrosexualism, bigotry - racism?

Are you against a family bringing up their children to dislike homosexuality because in the parents eyes its better for the child to be hetrosexual?
Or should the parents be forced against their will to bring up their children in a way thats alien to who they are/what they believe in?

lupus

21-06-2009, 02:43 AM

I personally could never be racist because I have met loads of white people that I can't fucking stand. Scum comes in every colour.

:D You hit the nail on the head with that one

rydeon

21-06-2009, 03:13 AM

Explain by what mechanism racism is a "law of nature".

The entire concept of 'race' requires language. Other species will interbreed where they can and will be happily diverse. You don't see animals not liking each other simply because their fur is a different colour. Lions and tigers don't get their knickers in a twist over miscegenation with the liger

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/take5/slideshow/realornot/img_4.jpg

The only way racism is a "law of nature" is that humans are basically territorial primates and hence are prone to behave aggressively towards the perceived 'other' seen as not being part of the group. Chimpanzees are hostile to other social groups - they don't give a flying fuck about 'race' because they haven't even got the concept. Territoriality manifests itself in all kinds of ways beyond race such as people of different religions, nationalities, subcultures, even from different towns. Some of us try to move beyond our primitive primate instincts and some think it's good because they like being dumb apes and invent linguistic constructs to justify their simian nature.
Many of us are able to see beyond trivialities like different skin pigmentation and actually have friendly human relationships with people that look a bit different. Fancy that!

It's also very useful for leaders to start wars or other conflict because the cry of hey! See them? They're not like us! We gotta do something about these bastards! is a great way of stirring stupid people up to do their bidding.

The major achievement of the 'white race' is to have kicked the shit out of everyone else and nicked their stuff. I hope you're very proud.

And as Drael said, the cockroach is far, far more successful than humans let alone any 'race'. There's more of them, they've been around longer and they'll be around long after we've gone. You're all just apes living on this planet until we wipe ourselves out or nature wipes us out - get over it.

You could say the same about the Ottomans and other 'brown races' for that matter.

rydeon

21-06-2009, 03:16 AM

Africans had many fourshing civilizations on the contient, but barbarians with guns destoryed them.

The hordes with Islam and the sword saw to the Florishing African civilisations long before the 'barbarians with guns rolled in'

runciter

21-06-2009, 06:49 AM

Why did the "barbarians" have guns?

because they used their intelligence to develop new methods of killing.

runciter

21-06-2009, 06:53 AM

What is it that gave them the power to do all this? Tribal cultures do exactly the same, but their power is limited. Why?

because our greed and cruelty have no limit.

also, jewish messianism (zionism) is nothing but a genocidal tribal culture.

runciter

21-06-2009, 07:02 AM

The big lie is that it's all about skin colour. It's actualy far more to do with culture and attitudes.

Money and Property

(1) Gifts. The Talmud bluntly forbids giving a gift to a Gentile. However, classical rabbinical authorities bent this rule because it is customary among businessmen to give gifts to business contacts. It was therefore laid down that a Jew may give a gift to a Gentile acquaintance, since this is regarded not as a true gift but as a sort of investment, for which some return is expected. Gifts to 'unfamiliar Gentiles' remain forbidden. A broadly similar rule applies to almsgiving. Giving alms to a Jewish beggar is an important religious duty. Alms to Gentile beggars are merely permitted for the sake of peace. However there are numerous rabbinical warnings against allowing the Gentile poor to become 'accustomed' to receiving alms from Jews, so that it should be possible to withhold such alms without arousing undue hostility.

(2) Taking of interest. Anti-Gentile discrimination in this matter has become largely theoretical, in view of the dispensation (explained in Chapter 3) which in effect allows interest to be exacted even from a Jewish borrower. However, it is still the case that granting an interest-free loan to a Jew is recommended as an act of charity, but from a Gentile borrower it is mandatory to exact interest. In fact, many - though not all - rabbinical authorities, including Maimonides, consider it mandatory to exact as much usury as possible on a loan to a Gentile.

(3) Lost property. If a Jew finds property whose probable owner is Jewish, the finder is strictly enjoined to make a positive effort to return his find by advertising it publicly. In contrast, the Talmud and all the early rabbinical authorities not only allow a Jewish finder to appropriate an article lost by a Gentile, but actually forbid him or her to return it. In more recent times, when laws were passed in most countries making it mandatory to return lost articles, the rabbinical authorities instructed Jews to do what these laws say, as an act of civil obedience to the state - but not as a religious duty, that is without making a positive effort to discover the owner if it is not probable that he is Jewish.

(4) Deception in business. It is a grave sin to practice any kind of deception whatsoever against a Jew. Against a Gentile it is only forbidden to practice direct deception. Indirect deception is allowed, unless it is likely to cause hostility towards Jews or insult to the Jewish religion. The paradigmatic example is mistaken calculation of the price during purchase. If a Jew makes a mistake unfavorable to himself, it is one's religious duty to correct him. If a Gentile is spotted making such a mistake, one need not let him know about it, but say 'I rely on your calculation', so as to forestall his hostility in case he subsequently discovers his own mistake.

(5) Fraud. It is forbidden to defraud a Jew by selling or buying at an unreasonable price. However, 'Fraud does not apply to Gentiles, for it is written: "Do not defraud each man his brother"; but a Gentile who defrauds a Jew should be compelled to make good the fraud, but should not be punished more severely than a Jew [in a similar case].'

(6) Theft and robbery. Stealing (without violence) is absolutely forbidden - as the Shulhan 'Arukh so nicely puts it: 'even from a Gentile'. Robbery (with violence) is strictly forbidden if the victim is Jewish. However, robbery of a Gentile by a Jew is not forbidden outright but only under certain circumstances such as 'when the Gentiles are not under our rule', but is permitted 'when they are under our rule'. Rabbinical authorities differ among themselves as to the precise details of the circumstances under which a Jew may rob a Gentile, but the whole debate is concerned only with the relative power of Jews and Gentiles rather than with universal considerations of justice and humanity. This may explain why so very few rabbis have protested against the robbery of Palestinian property in Israel: it was backed by overwhelming Jewish power.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm

runciter

21-06-2009, 07:04 AM

A rather unskillful avoidance of the question. Why did they have the power in the first place? You can be sure that any race that had it would use it.

because they wanted to exterminate and dominate, not all people have such desires.

don't project your personal worldview on all mankind.

mynameis

21-06-2009, 07:25 AM

Should people be allowed to dislike other sexual persuations to their own? Sexually, is being gay, anti-hetrosexual? Thus, is not liking the sexual act of hetrosexualism, bigotry - racism?

Are you against a family bringing up their children to dislike homosexuality because in the parents eyes its better for the child to be hetrosexual?
Or should the parents be forced against their will to bring up their children in a way thats alien to who they are/what they believe in?

Two main questions are presented. 1.) Is a child not a vessel to be filled by the world or by how the parent's see them? 2.) Is bringing up a child in a non-productive way for all human beings, regardless of their orientation that they alone can shape themselves is an anathema to society?

Parents do not always know better than their offspring. It is this kind of thought processes which led the State of Ancient Athens to kill Socrates. Socrates one of the greatest thinkers of all time. Think about it. Whether it is it right to be anti-heterosexual and anti-homosexual is not the issue, if the issue is about sexuality. Both sides are equally balanced. It is the modern spin on sexuality that has a grip on being anti-sexuality. If we are anti-sexuality, then all sexual promiscuity should face the same stigmas. Irregardless this is off topic...Apropros your statement

runciter

21-06-2009, 07:38 AM

So your NWO indoctrination pills are having the desired effect then?

nwo < zionism < racial supremacism < racist mindset < this thread

runciter

21-06-2009, 07:41 AM

Two main questions are presented. 1.) Is a child not a vessel to be filled by the world or by how the parent's see them? 2.) Is bringing up a child in a non-productive way for all human beings, regardless of their orientation that they alone can shape themselves is an anathema to society?

Parents do not always know better than their offspring. It is this kind of thought processes which led the State of Ancient Athens to kill Socrates. Socrates one of the greatest thinkers of all time. Think about it. Whether it is it right to be anti-heterosexual and anti-homosexual is not the issue, if the issue is about sexuality. Both sides are equally balanced. It is the modern spin on sexuality that has a grip on being anti-sexuality. If we are anti-sexuality, then all sexual promiscuity should face the same stigmas. Irregardless this is off topic...Apropros your statement

children have no understanding of sexuality.

"society" (the state) is no better than parents, especially if it's ruled by disturbed people.

runciter

21-06-2009, 07:47 AM

The number of starving people in the world has exceeded one billion

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14032

a natural phenomenon? or a man-made catastrophe? who is responsible?

bankers, maybe?

drael

21-06-2009, 08:31 AM

runciter

21-06-2009, 09:11 AM

Status

ACCORDING TO THE HALAKHAH, Jews must not (if they can help it) allow a Gentile to be appointed to any position of authority, however small, over Jews. (The two stock examples are commander over ten soldiers in the Jewish army' and 'superintendent of an irrigation ditch'.) Significantly, this particular rule applies also to converts to Judaism and to their descendants (through the female line) for ten generations or 'so long as the descent is known'.

Gentiles are presumed to be congenital liars, and are disqualified from testifying in a rabbinical court. In this respect their position is, in theory, the same as that of Jewish women, slaves and minors; but in practice it is actually worse. A Jewish woman is nowadays admitted as a witness to certain matters of fact, when the rabbinical court 'believes' her; a Gentile - never.

A problem therefore arises when a rabbinical court needs to establish a fact for which there are only Gentile witnesses. An important example of this is in cases concerning widows: by Jewish religious law, a woman can be declared a widow - and hence free to remarry - only if the death of her husband is proven with certainty by means of a witness who saw him die or identified his corpse. However, the rabbinical court will accept the hearsay evidence of a Jew who testifies to having heard the fact in question mentioned by a Gentile eyewitness, provided the court is satisfied that the latter was speaking casually ('goy mesiah left tummd) rather than in reply to a direct question; for a Gentile's direct answer to a Jew's direct question is presumed to be a lie. If necessary, a Jew (preferably a rabbi) will actually undertake to chat up the Gentile eyewitness and, without asking a direct question, extract from him a casual statement of the fact at issue.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm#5

runciter

21-06-2009, 09:15 AM

When a coackroach touches a human, it runs away and washes itself. They have two seperate brains, and can regrow limbs. There brains operate at least twice as fast as ours, and their perception of time is more acute.

In addition to the rules mentioned so far, there are many others whose effect is to inhibit human friendship between Jew and Gentile. I shall mention two examples: the rule on 'libation wine' and that on preparing food for a Gentile on Jewish holy days.

A religious Jew must not drink any wine in whose preparation a Gentile had any part whatsoever. Wine in an open bottle, even if prepared wholly by Jews, becomes banned if a Gentile so much as touches the bottle or passes a hand over it. The reason given by the rabbis is that all Gentiles are not only idolators but must be presumed to be malicious to boot, so that they are likely to dedicate (by a whisper, gesture or thought) as 'libation' to their idol any wine which a Jew is about to drink. This law applies in full force to all Christians, and in a slightly attenuated form also to Muslims. (An open bottle of wine touched by a Christian must be poured away, but if touched by a Muslim it can be sold or given away, although it may not be drunk by a Jew.) The law applies equally to Gentile atheists (how can one be sure that they are not merely pretending to be atheists?) but not to Jewish atheists.

The laws against doing work on the sabbath apply to a lesser extent on other holy days. In particular, on a holy day which does not happen to fall on a Saturday it is permitted to do any work required for preparing food to be eaten during the holy days or days. Legally, this is defined as preparing a 'soul's food' (okhel nefesh); but 'soul' is interpreted to mean 'Jew', and 'Gentiles and dogs' are explicitly excluded. There is, however, a dispensation in favor of powerful Gentiles, whose hostility can be dangerous: it is permitted to cook food on a holy day for a visitor belonging to this category, provided he is not actively encouraged to come and eat.

An important effect of all these laws - quite apart from their application in practice - is in the attitude created by their constant study which, as part of the study of the Halakhah, is regarded by classical Judaism as a supreme religious duty. Thus an Orthodox Jew learns from his earliest youth, as part of his sacred studies, that Gentiles are compared to dogs, that it is a sin to praise them, and so on and so forth. As a matter of fact, in this respect textbooks for beginners have a worse effect than the Talmud and the great talmudic codes. One reason for this is that such elementary texts give more detailed explanations, phrased so as to influence young and uneducated minds. Out of a large number of such texts, I have chosen the one which is currently most popular in Israel and has been reprinted in many cheap editions, heavily subsidized by the Israeli government. It is The Book of Education, written by an anonymous rabbi in early 14th century Spain. It explains the 613 religious obligations (mitzvot) of Judaism in the order in which they are supposed to be found in the Pentateuch according to the talmudic interpretation (discussed in Chapter 3). It owes its lasting influence and popularity to the clear and easy Hebrew style in which it is written.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm#5

runciter

21-06-2009, 09:19 AM

A central didactic aim of this book is to emphasize the 'correct' meaning of the Bible with respect to such terms as 'fellow', 'friend' or 'man' (which we have referred to in Chapter 3). Thus §219, devoted to the religious obligation arising from the verse 'thou shalt love thy fellow as thyself', is entitled: 'A religious obligation to love Jews', and explains:

To love every Jew strongly means that we should care for a Jew and his money just as one cares for oneself and one's own money, for it is written: 'thou shalt love thy fellow as thyself' and our sages of blessed memory said: 'what is hateful to you do not do to your friend' ... and many other religious obligations follow from this, because one who loves one's friend as oneself will not steal his money, or commit adultery with his wife, or defraud him of his money, or deceive him verbally, or steal his land, or harm him in any way. Also many other religious obligations depend on this, as is known to any reasonable man.

In §322, dealing with the duty to keep a Gentile slave enslaved for ever (whereas a Jewish slave must be set free after seven years), the following explanation is given:

And at the root of this religious obligation [is the fact that] the Jewish people are the best of the human species, created to know their Creator and worship Him, and worthy of having slaves to serve them. And if they will not have slaves of other peoples, they would have to enslave their brothers, who would thus be unable to serve the Lord, blessed be He. Therefore we are commanded to possess those for our service, after they are prepared for this and after idolatory is removed from their speech so that there should not be danger in our houses, and this is the intention of the verse 'but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor', so that you will not have to enslave your brothers, who are all ready to worship God.

In §545, dealing with the religious obligation to exact interest on money lent to Gentiles, the law is stated as follows: 'That we are commanded to demand interest from Gentiles when we lend money to them, and we must not lend to them without interest,' The explanation is:

And at the root of this religious obligation is that we should not do any act of mercy except to the people who know God and worship Him; and when we refrain from doing merciful deed to the rest of mankind and do so only to the former, we are being tested that the main part of love and mercy to them is because they follow the religion of God, blessed be He. Behold, with this intention our reward [from God] when we withhold mercy from the others is equal to that for doing [merciful deeds] to members of our own people.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm#5

runciter

21-06-2009, 09:23 AM

Similar distinctions are made in numerous other passages. In explaining the ban against delaying a worker's wage (§238) the author is careful to point out that the sin is less serious if the worker is Gentile. The prohibition against cursing (§239) is entitled 'Not to curse any Jew, whether man or woman. Similarly, the prohibitions against giving misleading advice, hating other people, shaming them or taking revenge on them (§§240, 245, 246, 247) apply only to fellow-Jews.

The ban against following Gentile customs (§262) means that Jews must not only 'remove themselves' from Gentiles, but also 'speak ill of all their behavior, even of their dress'.

It must be emphasized that the explanations quoted above do represent correctly the teaching of the Halakhah. The rabbis and, even worse, the apologetic 'scholars of Judaism' know this very well and for this reason they do not try to argue against such views inside the Jewish community; and of course they never mention them outside it. Instead, they vilify any Jew who raises these matters within earshot of Gentiles, and they issue deceitful denials in which the art of equivocation reaches its summit. For example, they state, using general terms, the importance which Judaism attaches to mercy; but what they forget to point out is that according to the Halakhah 'mercy' means mercy towards Jews.

Anyone who lives in Israel knows how deep and widespread these attitudes of hatred and cruelty to towards all Gentiles are among the majority of Israeli Jews. Normally these attitudes are disguised from the outside world, but since the establishment of the State of Israel, the 1967 war and the rise of Begin, a significant minority of Jews, both in Israel and abroad, have gradually become more open about such matters. In recent years the inhuman precepts according to which servitude is the 'natural' lot of Gentiles have been publicly quoted in Israel, even on TV, by Jewish farmers exploiting Arab labor, particularly child labor. Gush Emunim leaders have quoted religious precepts which enjoin Jews to oppress Gentiles, as a justification of the attempted assassination of Palestinian mayors and as divine authority for their own plan to expel all the Arabs from Palestine.

While many zionists reject these positions politically, their standard counter-arguments are based on considerations of expediency and Jewish self-interest, rather than on universally valid principles of humanism and ethics. For example, they argue that the exploitation and oppression of Palestinians by Israelis tends to corrupt Israeli society, or that the expulsion of the Palestinians is impracticable under present political conditions, or that Israeli acts of terror against the Palestinians tend to isolate Israel internationally. In principle, however, virtually all zionists - and in particular 'left' zionists - share the deep anti-Gentile attitudes which Orthodox Judaism keenly promotes.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm#5

dogsmilk

21-06-2009, 09:56 AM

You could say the same about the Ottomans and other 'brown races' for that matter.

Sure you could. And it wouldn't mean the brown skinned people were any 'better' than whites. But some people seem to think that because white people entered a period of dominance in the last few hundred years they're somehow superior. Humans are just humans.

When a coackroach touches a human, it runs away and washes itself. They have two seperate brains, and can regrow limbs. There brains operate at least twice as fast as ours, and their perception of time is more acute.

They have built in motion detectors!
And can survive for a while without their head! -

Entomologist Christopher Tipping at Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, Pa., has actually decapitated American cockroaches (Periplaneta americana) "very carefully under microscopes," he notes. "We sealed the wound with dental wax, to prevent them from drying out. A couple lasted for several weeks in a jar."

Insects have clumps of ganglia—nerve tissue agglomerations—distributed within each body segment capable of performing the basic nervous functions responsible for reflexes, "so without the brain, the body can still function in terms of very simple reactions," Tipping says. "They could stand, react to touch and move."

And it is not just the body that can survive decapitation; the lonely head can thrive, too, waving its antennae back and forth for several hours until it runs out of steam, Kunkel says. If given nutrients and refrigerated, a roach head can last even longer.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-cockroach-can-live-without-head

kasalt

21-06-2009, 10:41 AM

some people seem to think that because white people entered a period of dominance in the last few hundred years they're somehow superior.

Alexander the Great? The Roman Empire? No?

Only the last few hundred years?

jammasterj13

21-06-2009, 10:45 AM

Alexander the Great? The Roman Empire? No?
Genghis Khan and the Mongol Hordes.

dogsmilk

21-06-2009, 11:46 AM

Alexander the Great? The Roman Empire? No?

Only the last few hundred years?

They were periods of dominance not contiguous with the period of dominance which came with the imperialistic era. Alexander's empire collapsed when he died though this led to Greek led dynasties in the Middle East for a while. Like that other guy said, the Mongols (and Huns) went on comparable conquering sprees. Hell, IIRC the Mongol Empire was the largest self-contained land Empire in history.
When Rome collapsed - in the West at least - Europe entered the dark ages and was far from pre-eminent while Rome in the East (Byzantium) struggled to hold it together while it was progressively eroded for the next few centuries.
Given the context of this thread, Rome spent a lot of its time fighting other white people apart from its control of North Africa and parts of the Middle East. There, they had a hell of a time with the Persians for centuries, and totally got their arses handed to them on a plate at the battle of Carrhae.

flickflack

21-06-2009, 12:34 PM

because our greed and cruelty have no limit.

also, jewish messianism (zionism) is nothing but a genocidal tribal culture.

nwo < zionism < racial supremacism < racist mindset < this thread

The number of starving people in the world has exceeded one billion

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14032

a natural phenomenon? or a man-made catastrophe? who is responsible?

bankers, maybe?

In addition to the rules mentioned so far, there are many others whose effect is to inhibit human friendship between Jew and Gentile. I shall mention two examples: the rule on 'libation wine' and that on preparing food for a Gentile on Jewish holy days.

To love every Jew strongly means that we should care for a Jew and his money just as one cares for oneself and one's own money,

Since you are trying to make all controversial threads antisemitic, let me tell you something. Jews are the people that has been hurt most by racism, extremism, prejudice and the occult belief in an "Aryan" race. They have been prosecuted for 2000 years, right after Judas Iscariot's betrayal of Jesus and the execution of Jesus.
The Romans where not convinced that Jesus was guilty, but the Jews followed by Judas Iscariot's betrayal said he where. They could have set him free, but they didn't. It's important to note that Judas Iscariot the betrayer was responsible for this, as he sold Jesus to the executioners for a sack of coins. Judas Iscariot will always be remembered with a sack of coins, and since he was Jewish, this is one of the cultures antisemitic views, i.e. Jews control money and wealth.
To make the Jews as a people responsible for what Judas Iscariot did, is antisemitic. In fact, the moment before Jesus was taken to his execution process, Pontius rinsed his hands in a bottle with water (a proper hand wash at that time). This was an act of antisemitism against the Jews, known for their hand-cleaning ritual. This was done because the Jewish crowd would execute Jesus and set free Barabbas, instead of releasing Jesus and keep Barabbas imprisoned.

The idea that the Jews control all money and wealth, is much based on the symbolism of Judas Iscariot (with a sack of coins for selling Jesus to the Romans). And it is ridiculous and antisemitic to claim that all money and wealth go through the hands of Jews. The Jews have very little (if nothing) to do with this. They are not responsible for the poor wealth in Africa or any other place in the third world. You are being antisemitic. Period.

dynamicwiseman

21-06-2009, 12:45 PM

The hordes with Islam and the sword saw to the Florishing African civilisations long before the 'barbarians with guns rolled in'

Nah your propaganda of Islam destroying African civilization shall not hold weight with me. Ever heard of the city of Timbuktu and the University of Sankore, Islam never was spread by the sword, Africans took it up becuase they wanted to, free choice at its best.

Now run alone you Yuppie scum. :D

newspresenter

21-06-2009, 12:55 PM

Two main questions are presented. 1.) Is a child not a vessel to be filled by the world or by how the parent's see them? 2.) Is bringing up a child in a non-productive way for all human beings, regardless of their orientation that they alone can shape themselves is an anathema to society?

Parents do not always know better than their offspring. It is this kind of thought processes which led the State of Ancient Athens to kill Socrates. Socrates one of the greatest thinkers of all time. Think about it. Whether it is it right to be anti-heterosexual and anti-homosexual is not the issue, if the issue is about sexuality. Both sides are equally balanced. It is the modern spin on sexuality that has a grip on being anti-sexuality. If we are anti-sexuality, then all sexual promiscuity should face the same stigmas. Irregardless this is off topic...Apropros your statement

Who was better equiped to bring you up with teachings / should have the most say, your parents, or any other 2 people on this planet?

newspresenter

21-06-2009, 12:59 PM

nwo < zionism < racial supremacism < racist mindset < this thread

David says theres ONE counciousness of humanity, thus ONE race? thus no such thing as racism?

Do you believe David's ONE counciousness point?

newspresenter

21-06-2009, 01:03 PM

But some people seem to think that because white people entered a period of dominance in the last few hundred years they're somehow superior. Humans are just humans.

Regardless of colour, are some humans more superior than others?

swethirte

21-06-2009, 01:07 PM

Regardless of colour, are some humans more superior than others?

Some humans are certainly superior at specific tasks than others, and this often has a racial compontent. It's no accident that so many sportsmen and footballers are black, for example, though even innocently pointing this out can lead to accusations of racism. It should come as no surpise that every other field of human activity should also be the same. Indeed, it would be truly astonishing if it wasn't.

runciter

21-06-2009, 02:21 PM

Since you are trying to make all controversial threads antisemitic, let me tell you something. Jews are the people that has been hurt most by racism, extremism, prejudice and the occult belief in an "Aryan" race. They have been prosecuted for 2000 years, right after Judas Iscariot's betrayal of Jesus and the execution of Jesus.
The Romans where not convinced that Jesus was guilty, but the Jews followed by Judas Iscariot's betrayal said he where. They could have set him free, but they didn't. It's important to note that Judas Iscariot the betrayer was responsible for this, as he sold Jesus to the executioners for a sack of coins. Judas Iscariot will always be remembered with a sack of coins, and since he was Jewish, this is one of the cultures antisemitic views, i.e. Jews control money and wealth.
To make the Jews as a people responsible for what Judas Iscariot did, is antisemitic. In fact, the moment before Jesus was taken to his execution process, Pontius rinsed his hands in a bottle with water (a proper hand wash at that time). This was an act of antisemitism against the Jews, known for their hand-cleaning ritual. This was done because the Jewish crowd would execute Jesus and set free Barabbas, instead of releasing Jesus and keep Barabbas imprisoned.

The idea that the Jews control all money and wealth, is much based on the symbolism of Judas Iscariot (with a sack of coins for selling Jesus to the Romans). And it is ridiculous and antisemitic to claim that all money and wealth go through the hands of Jews. The Jews have very little (if nothing) to do with this. They are not responsible for the poor wealth in Africa or any other place in the third world. You are being antisemitic. Period.

please don't try to use ordinary jews as a shield for a bunch of genocidal banking families.

since when information about jewish religious traditions is "antisemitic"? :)

flickflack

21-06-2009, 02:34 PM

please don't try to use ordinary jews as a shield for a bunch of genocidal banking families.

since when information about jewish religious traditions is "antisemitic"? :)

You are taking the Talmud out of context. I don't believe the Muslims who wrote those articles knew what they where talking about because 1) they weren't Jewish and 2) they where Muslim and negative towards Judaism.
There exist a lot of articles on the net that one should not take seriously.

dogsmilk

21-06-2009, 02:35 PM

Regardless of colour, are some humans more superior than others?

No.

Similar to what the last poster said some individuals may be better at individual tasks, but I don't think that makes them "superior" as people. Jimi Hendrix may have been a fine guitarist, but I don't think that made him "superior" to other people in any profound way.
But I'm not into this 'racial component' stuff; I don't really believe any such 'racial tendencies' really exist, though I've never studied the subject so don't know all the arguments. However, it strikes me that if you take football and other sports, there are plenty of excellent white players and plenty of black people that are totally shit at them. Once you consider social factors such as whether people from certain cultural or socio-economic backgrounds are more likely to do this or that I can't see what the big deal is if we assume it's true.
Even if it were objectively proved black people have a greater tendency to be good at sports, it's not going to stop Wayne Rooney scoring goals.
As it is, very few people exploit their potential in many areas anyway. Plenty of people could be pretty decent at sports but they've never put in the training due to lack of motivation or opportunity. Most of us could be far better than we are in a number of areas but for one reason or another we haven't fully exploited the abilities we have.
Ronnie O'Sullivan has been frequently described as the world's most naturally gifted snooker player, but he still gets beaten by less naturally gifted people who've put in the hours on the training table.

However, it might be the case racists are inferior to regular people... :)

newspresenter

21-06-2009, 02:48 PM

runciter

21-06-2009, 02:48 PM

You are taking the Talmud out of context. I don't believe the Muslims who wrote those articles knew what they where talking about because 1) they weren't Jewish and 2) they where Muslim and negative towards Judaism.
There exist a lot of articles on the net that one should not take seriously.

Shahak's childhood was spent in Nazified Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto and Bergen-Belsen concentration camp; at the end of the war he was the only male left in his family. He reached Palestine before statehood, in 1945. In 1956 he heard David Ben-Gurion make a demagogic speech about the Anglo-French-Israeli attack on Egypt, referring to this dirty war as a campaign for "the kingdom of David and Solomon." That instilled in him the germinal feelings of opposition. By the end of his life, he had produced a scholarly body of work that showed the indissoluble connection between messianic delusions and racial and political ones. He had also, during his chairmanship of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, set a personal example that would be very difficult to emulate.

He had no heroes and no dogmas and no party allegiances. If he admitted to any intellectual model, it would have been Spinoza. For Shahak, the liberation of the Jewish people was an aspect of the Enlightenment, and involved their own self-emancipation from ghetto life and from clerical control, no less than from ancient "Gentile" prejudice. It therefore naturally ensued that Jews should never traffic in superstitions or racial myths; they stood to lose the most from the toleration of such rubbish. And it went almost without saying that there could be no defensible Jewish excuse for denying the human rights of others. He was a brilliant and devoted student of the archeology of Jerusalem and Palestine: I would give anything for a videotape of the conducted tours of the city that he gave me, and of the confrontation in which he vanquished one of the propagandist guides on the heights of Masada. For him, the built and the written record made it plain that Palestine had never been the exclusive possession of any one people, let alone any one "faith."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010723/hitchens

drael

21-06-2009, 03:30 PM

Ants are superior at making ant hills. Birds are superior at flying unaided.
Bees are superior at making honey. Fish are superior at swimming.

IE. The person who defines the point of comparison controls which side wins.

dogsmilk

21-06-2009, 04:00 PM

What is superiorism?

Is it a confidence booster for someone to believe they're more superior? Like going for a job that you desperately need, believing you're more superior to the other applicants could get you that job.

Are god believers wrong to believe in their superior "being"?

Whenever I've gone for a job I can't say I've ever kidded myself I'm superior to other applicants; I think about my own abilities and how to best communicate them to the interview panel. I don't know what the other applicants are like I just know I've got to put myself across the best I can. It might be the case someone has inferior ability regarding the job but a superior interview technique or vice versa, so getting the job even doesn't mean you're superior.
Personally I don't go round thinking I'm superior at stuff because then you tend overestimate yourself.
However, thinking you're personally superior at something to another given individual is different to thinking you're just generally superior, whites are superior to blacks, Christians are superior to Muslims or whatever.

God is kind of a different case. God is an abstract entity who - if you believe in Him - is endowed with abilities such as omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence and totally transcends humanity. God is by definition perfect and hence is perhaps superior to man by being totally bereft of all flaws and all sin.

And what Drael said.