'Conspiracy v Spirituality'

[decode reality]

I'm about 20 minutes into this interesting talk by Brother Panic, a recently added Myspace friend on my personal page.

In essence: The truth movement has brought a lot of information to the fore. At the same time, there are those who say that it is adding to the fear, i.e. by continually focussing upon "what THEY'RE doing", there's the danger of us not focussing upon what WE can do. I notice this in a lot of posts on the Today's News forum. i.e, if Obama or Brown say anything with the word 'New' in it, we automatically react "NEW WORLD ORDER!", when in reality, the guy might have just bought a new colour telly. David Icke and Alex Jones are mentioned, btw.

Without wanting to knock the work those two men do, if you're interested in simply looking at another slant to the 'anti nwo/truth movement'- one that may even challenge the "truth" of the movement- then here is the link (it may be worth checking out asap, as these links sometimes 'expire' after a while):

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/UGRailroadRadio/2009/03/22/Conspiracy-vs-Spirituality

[decode reality]

My own view is that both sets of information are necessary, the spiritual and the information regarding the agenda. Balance!:)

[haukipesukone]

It's about having a general idea of what's happening, accepting it and preparing for the day you can actually do something about it. There's not too much point in trying to learn every single detail of the crap they are doing to make world even worse. Like some minor new law that fucks things up even more.

[cruise4]

How can information ADD to the fear. Surely only the listener has the ability to do that?

[mark will i am]

I'm about 20 minutes into this interesting talk by Brother Panic, a recently added Myspace friend on my personal page.

In essence: The truth movement has brought a lot of information to the fore. At the same time, there are those who say that it is adding to the fear, i.e. by continually focussing upon "what THEY'RE doing", there's the danger of us not focussing upon what WE can do. I notice this in a lot of posts on the Today's News forum. i.e, if Obama or Brown say anything with the word 'New' in it, we automatically react "NEW WORLD ORDER!", when in reality, the guy might have just bought a new colour telly. David Icke and Alex Jones are mentioned, btw.

Without wanting to knock the work those two men do, if you're interested in simply looking at another slant to the 'anti nwo/truth movement'- one that may even challenge the "truth" of the movement- then here is the link (it may be worth checking out asap, as these links sometimes 'expire' after a while):

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/UGRailroadRadio/2009/03/22/Conspiracy-vs-Spirituality

Unfortunately i couldn't get it to play but i know i am still searching for my own peace of mind on this issue. Part of me thinks - FCK the NWO and total NON-COMPLIANCE is the best way for me to live authentically. That would mean living on the streets or going bush. Fear of the unkown stops me invoking this. I'll lose my missus too because she very much enjoys the comforts of town life and would hypothetically join a food que rather than come bush with me if shit hit the fan (or is it "when" shit hits the fan??). It seems the most logical, fastest way to change. Total Non-compliance with the SYSTEM. And it is so engrossed everywhere it would take a real change.

On a spiritual level you can justify life in the matrix by thinking "you are living within the body of the caterpillar using its decaying body to form the emerging butterfly" Excuse the pun but this theory also has wings. The assumption is that the old systems are falling down and that SPIRIT is emerging on the planet despite the matrix complicit in all facets of life.


Interesting picture they display for the radio show don't you think? Very "illuminati"

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/fe6eb6ea-55ba-4384-a0de-7e9cbfa25623caduceus.jpg

[haukipesukone]

How can information ADD to the fear. Surely only the listener has the ability to do that?

I agree. So many here seem to be afraid of fear. "We shouldn't look at the nasty stuff, because it might be scary."

The cliché master's answer is: "There's nothing to fear but fear itself."

But why I'm "against" studying every single detail of their insidious plan is, if you spend all your time researching you won't have to for anything else. You just keep searching for outrageous things that suck, sometimes you might have time to bitch about them, but not much room for spiritual development. It's like cutting of the heads of the hydra.

[cruise4]

Yes, searching out information has somewhat lost it's sparkle lately. I'm questioning whether there is ANY purpose ever? Perhaps it HAS to be manufactured... and that is definately disconcerting. Happy/Sad can be switched in an instant, but with no purpose... it becomes an exercise in futility. Maybe on some level that's progress. I don't know. Perhaps I'm feeling the 'old age' of the race, before we move on :D

[farros]

Interesting picture they display for the radio show don't you think? Very "illuminati"

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/fe6eb6ea-55ba-4384-a0de-7e9cbfa25623caduceus.jpg

thats the caduceus symbol actually, very holy symbol representing the rising kundalini.

Caduceus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kundalini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[montag]

Quantum physics tells us that the universe is created by our observation of it, all matter exists as waves of probability until observed. Conspiracy I believe is kind of the same, the more you research(observe) the deeper down the rabbit hole you go, so in fact we are all doing the Illuminati a great favor and possibly ourselves a disservice by 'waking up'. Conspiracy is now almost mainstream, it's everywhere I look now, they say what you focus on expands.

That's my pet theory anyway, take it or leave it as you will..:D

montag

[thespoon]

How can information ADD to the fear. Surely only the listener has the ability to do that?
Don't you think the information is inherently scary? To find out that the people running this country (and others) in no way have your best interests at heart? To find out that what you thought was true is not true and then think...what else that I think I know isn't true? It's the void, man.

Fear is a legitimate reaction to threat. It's a survivial mechanism. We are currently under threat - as I see it. Anyone who doesn't recognise that is living in blissful ignorance. But I guess once you've got your head around the threat, then further information just adds to the detail without necessarily generating any fear.

"How happy is the moron, he doesn't give a damn..."

Or are you interpreting this in a Zen way, like the menu isn't the food? Strictly speaking it's the understanding of the information that adds to the fear.

I'll sign up to the dual pronged approach - know the enemy, know yourself.

[decode reality]

Thanks for all replies

In terms of learning about what really goes on beyond the veil of media/political cover up etc, it takes a lot to surprise me now. However, when I first became aware of the bigger picture it was jaw dropping stuff for me. Consider what the reaction of a vast amount of people will be, those who still believe 'the earth is flat' and that Celebrity Big Brother and Eastenders= reality.

To me, Icke is correct when he challenges the new age view that goes something like "talking about the nasty stuff is focussing on darkness". Forums like this are very good to learn new info, different viewpoints. I can only speak from my own personal experience but I've found that the more I focus on trying to monitor what the elite are doing, the less I find that I do for myself on a practical and spiritual level.

"I'll sign up to the dual pronged approach - know the enemy, know yourself."

(I agree with The Spoon here...;))

[cruise4]

Hi thespoon,

It's always been obvious, to me, that something was seriously wrong with people and what they do and say. Finding out there is a conspiracy was a big relief... and an explanation at last. Living from cradle to grave, slaving away for next to nothing based on whims and dictates of others is insane. They nearly had me believing it was me :D

The information has enabled me to no longer believe death is final. That makes a HUGE difference in how I view the future. If there is a war, I'll play my part. If there's ascension, so be it. If it's a planet busting event, well maybe it's not such a finality as many think.

BUT... at least something is now happening, whereas before boredom, disinterest and futility looked a certainty.

The only real fear I have about the situation is the idea of co-creation. Dependance on others is bad bad news, as we have seen.

But I also have to qualify all that. I talk belief in a 5 sense way, but overall I don't believe anything particularly. It's all relative.

"Strictly speaking it's the understanding of the information that adds to the fear."

Or the 'interpretation'... and that's up to the individual.

[franky000]

"That which is resisted is given more power''