child poverty family debt reposessions in the news

[besides]

child poverty, family debt, reposessions in the news



please post any stories that could shed light on this conundrum

[call2571]

The New Child Poverty Bill which makes the Government,NHS and other Agencies(ie Social Services ) responsible for 'lifting child out of poverty means they can snatch children at random.
I just read this about the Bill.

MATERIAL MEASURES
There should be a combination of some of the following for children:
A family holiday for at least one week a year
Enough bedrooms for every child of 10 or over of a different sex to have their own bedroom
Leisure equipment such as sports equipment
Celebrations on special occasions
Swimming at least once a month
A hobby or leisure activity
Friends around for tea or a snack once a fortnight
Toddler group/nursery/playgroup at least once a week
Go on school trips
Outdoor space or facilities nearby to play safely


I think this mean any child not getting any of this will be taken from their family?
A friend round for tea once a fortnight.???:D
I wonder if this has anything to do with the teachers having to collect any personal data or remarks the kids make.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8095775.stm

[ps3andhdtv]

I am sure a hell of a lot of kids don't get a family holiday for a week every year. I know I and many others never did.

[hawk]

Just ask the dumbasses who wrote the bill, "Are you going to pay for it? if not, then shut your damn mouth!" :mad:

[besides]

thanks for the replies folks, and keep them coming. feel free to approach it from any angle. bite the cherry as oft as one likes.

eg

median, mean, mode[mmm] rent* = x £ per week
wholesome non additive-manipulated food bill = y £ per week
[mmm]travel costs to and from i] school ii] wholesome non additive manipulated food retailer iii] place of employment = z £ per week

minimum wage = m £ per hour

x+y+z/m = total hours paid work necessary per household per week for "remedial living" [rl]

* for mortgages somehow include effect of mortgage access ... debts/deposits etc and sliding scale for interest rates

dont forget, the above illustrative schema for "remedial living/remedial survival" does not include gas, leccy, water, paye tax,council tax.

"remedial living"[rl] hrs - 40 or is it 37 = "slavery time score"
" remedial living" [rl] hrs + weekly travel time to employment - 40 or 37
= "remedial family value deficit".






... now to factor in that yearly holiday

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[siriusc]

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen!:eek: Are they going to mandate when to go to the bathroom too???

[besides]

an related thread here re uk unemployment figures:


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69144

anyone have any refs for mrs t's alledged massaging of unemployment figures in the 80s?

anyone know if new-labour adressed this issue anytime after 1997 or have been accused of any similar massaging/recategorisation of figures?

thankyou

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[Ian2day]

The New Child Poverty Bill which makes the Government,NHS and other Agencies(ie Social Services ) responsible for 'lifting child out of poverty means they can snatch children at random.
I just read this about the Bill.


MATERIAL MEASURES
There should be a combination of some of the following for children:
A family holiday for at least one week a year
Enough bedrooms for every child of 10 or over of a different sex to have their own bedroom
Leisure equipment such as sports equipment
Celebrations on special occasions
Swimming at least once a month
A hobby or leisure activity
Friends around for tea or a snack once a fortnight
Toddler group/nursery/playgroup at least once a week
Go on school trips
Outdoor space or facilities nearby to play safely


I think this mean any child not getting any of this will be taken from their family?
A friend round for tea once a fortnight.???:D
I wonder if this has anything to do with the teachers having to collect any personal data or remarks the kids make.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8095775.stm

If anyone on benefits can not afford this or located in social housing which is too small to meet material measures. Sue the Local Authority. Its a definition of what people should as a minimum be able to provide. If benefits do not meet these needs then benefits are not of a high enough nature. The system can be made to implode if it is used against itself.

[besides]

...
dont forget, the above illustrative schema for "remedial living/remedial survival" does not include gas, leccy, water, paye tax,council tax.

"remedial living"[rl] hrs - 40 or is it 37 = "slavery time score"
" remedial living" [rl] hrs + weekly travel time to employment - 40 or 37
= "remedial family value deficit".

...



just a note to say, that with reference to the above etc, its only illustrative, and not meant to cause offence to any peeps struggling hard long double job hours - to make end justify the meets. i am sure a great many peeps realise from experience, how hard things can be.

thanksyou
besides

[besides]

another related thread below, called:


poverty soon to be a crime

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68832

[call2571]

This is an old link but you can see how they are putting everything together.
What an evil monster this man is!
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365300-details/Blair%20to%20target%20the%20ASBO%20babies/article.do

Earlier this year, Home Office minister Hazel Blears - who has no children of her own - was revealed to be considering plans to send an army of state nannies into the homes of problem families.

[besides]

liar liar pension fire !!!:eek:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195092/Pensions-crisis-96-final-salary-schemes-doomed--OAPs-worst-Britain--state-funds-withering-vine.html

thankyou
besides

[yozhik]

If anyone on benefits can not afford this or located in social housing which is too small to meet material measures. Sue the Local Authority. Its a definition of what people should as a minimum be able to provide. If benefits do not meet these needs then benefits are not of a high enough nature. The system can be made to implode if it is used against itself.

Excellent point.

You're right ... if this is the "minimum standard of living" that they have now put into statute, then they are also duty bound to ensure benefits AND minimum wage levels provide a standard of living to make it possible.

[besides]

child poverty as an economic asset/lever?

ok so "ending child poverty" sound like good words, i can sympath with that, even identify with that, even emotionalise with it - ok so im not shedding buckets of tears [much less sending cruise missiles in or invading< -- naughty ann clywdd (mp) joke]. what im saying is that the words in the slogan/media-bite sound sensible.

what about this then?

anybody find it odd, the subtext of, "an end to child poverty" , is that "child poverty" was previously deemed to be acceptable. i mean england has been around for a fair few years. theres been a parliament in the uk for a fair rew years too.

focussing a little bit, bank bailouts .... 6 months-ish

olympics by ... 2012

ending child poverty by ... 2020



how d'ya spell priorities?

thankyou
besides

[deem]

When you register your child on the birth certificate, you hand over legal right to your child to the state, leaving yourself only equity control over said child but with a few benifits thrown in. Legal right - owner. Equity right - user/ keeper. Make no mistake, this is the case. it is done fraudulently as when we register our children we are not given full disclosure of the purpose of the birth certificate that is signed. When you register anything you give up ownership, you dont own your car, the DVLA owns it which is why they have the power to take it away and crush it if you dont tax or insure it according to DVLA rules. You have no say in it, you broke the rules on it's use. How this applies to your children is; You sign the registration document, and TPTB 'LEND' you a warm coat for your child to wear, the coat has your childs given name on it. Everybody sees the name on the coat, and calls the child wearing it by that name . The child when asked her name, answers with the name written on the coat. As time goes on you find the TPTB demand you follow the cleaning and maintainance instructions to the letter, and the child never take it off. At regular intervals they inspect the coat, if all is well you get to keep the coat. One day a button falls of the coat, you try sew it back on, but you dont have the same colour thread so you use a different colour. Somehow the TPTB hear you have'nt followed their maintenance to the letter, and send some people round your house to take back the coat, they ask for the coat by name, you bring out your child, they take the coat with your child still in it.

[yozhik]

When you register your child on the birth certificate, you hand over legal right to your child to the state, leaving yourself only equity control over said child but with a few benifits thrown in. Legal right - owner. Equity right - user/ keeper. Make no mistake, this is the case. it is done fraudulently as when we register our children we are not given full disclosure of the purpose of the birth certificate that is signed.

It happens earlier than the birth certificate.

The transfer of title occurs with the marriage licence/certificate.
This is merely the commercial event of the merging of two corporations.
There are three parties to the merger; you, your spouse and the state.
What is not fully disclosed is that you sign over the assets of the merger to the state; those assets include the "fruit of your loins" ... your children.

The birth certificate is simply a confirmation; a document recording the creation of the company product, for which the transfer agreement/contract had already been created.

[jammasterj13]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SOFBcPFNdnU/SJnU9mVRxXI/AAAAAAAAAUw/xo9Lr-msA0s/s400/childcatcher-431x300.jpg


Here's your man. Creepy fucker.

[deem]

Yeah your right, if they get wed, but more and more couples dont get married.

[call2571]

Has anyone else had to sign a Home/School agreement before their child started school?They made a big fuss about getting them signed a few years ago.
I am wondering what we were agreeing to now.I never even read the thing at the time.:confused:

[besides]

writing off human capital, woman forecloses self:mad:

over in the federated states of america:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sfl--tamarac-eviction-barricade-bn062909,0,7255126.story

On the surface, Newnam's suicide appeared to be a tale of desperation during hard economic times. But experts on suicide cautioned against such simplistic explanations.

"Clearly, stresses can precede a suicide, but the actual causes are usually much more complicated," said Robert Gebbia, executive director of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

"People are getting foreclosed on and evicted across the country. Most are not turning to suicide as an answer."

Economy-driven tragedies have made some recent headlines.In an apparent murder-suicide in Central Florida last month, John Dillon Wood, 41, and his wife, Cynthia Wood, 40, along with their two children, were found dead inside their home near Orlando. The family had been in bankruptcy proceedings since 2004.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5968580Heather

Newnam, 28, of Tamarac, Fla., shot herself when a real estate agent, a locksmith and movers showed up at her home on Monday after she failed to pay her rent. She told them she had to secure the dogs first, and then a shot was fired, according to the Broward Sheriff's Office . The SWAT team arrived on the scene and found her dead from a gunshot wound to the head.Newnam documented her life on Twitter as user rsangel04. Her last post on June 24 read, "Rich get richer, poor get poorer, families on the street, govt doesn't care. God bless the usa, but can He save it?"

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"in a knowledge economy, there is economy of knowledge" besides - 2007
"a knowledge economy presupposes mass stupidity" besides -2004

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thankyou
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[besides]

good thread here by clozaril :


"16-24 yr olds accept job or lose benefits"


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70923

thankyou
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[besides]

discharging capacitance

big thread this one , thanks steppewar.


All of the current 2.6 million people claiming Incapacity Benefit are to be retested by 2013, and up to 90% will be rejected.

So this must mean that by 2013 the number of Job Seekers Allowance claimants will increase by up to 2.34 million people, pushing even the 'official' JSA claiments to well over 4 million.

It seems that the greedy corrupt bankers/MP's criminal expense's claims are no longer newsworthy.

It is back to business as usual, bashing benefit scroungers.

Apparently the UK government can no longer afford the annual £12.5 billion cost of Incapacity Benefit.

Funny how they could afford to give the banks hundreds of billions of pounds at the drop of a hat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199284/Shake-sickness-benefit-thirds-applicants-told-fit-work.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199284/Shake-sickness-benefit-thirds-applicants-told-fit-work.html)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5813319/Up-to-90-per-cent-of-sickness-benefit-claims-rejected-under-new-system.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5813319/Up-to-90-per-cent-of-sickness-benefit-claims-rejected-under-new-system.html)



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