BBC scrap this lunancy ?

[alien77]

They Call this country a democracy (u.k)....ha ha.....

We have to to pay to own a T.v : so that the establishement can then help fund their own propaganda, with which to condition us with , in our every day lives....

The licence fee is a prime example, of the facist state at its best(irony)....

When will the public get the real vote that they want, which is to scrap this tyranny....

I set up a vote to guage opinion here.....please vote.

[alien77]

Comments on this debate are also welcome .. thanx...

[positivity]

i read they may have to share the license fee with other channels??

[wake_up_bomb]

Obviously it's a completely illegitimate form of taxation, and obviously the BBC performs absolutely no kind of public service. Then there's the point that you could actually spend every waking moment consuming BBC media, ie. BBC radio, BBC iplayer, BBC website, alll of which are mainly funded by the TV licence, but you'd never have to pay a penny towards it.

However, it really is phenomenally easy to avoid paying the TV licence, so I don't see it as a huge issue.

[alien77]

Maybe a small amount to the commerical channels ITV etc.......

But as inviduals we should be able to decide what damn channel we want to pay for ...
.... if i go to a restaurant i dont get told by the waiter which dish i have to buy...

[sorath]

I am kind of sick of people banging on about the licence fee. Just get rid of the television altogether. Its all bollocks anyway and nothing they can put on tv will ever compare to a good book.

The licence isn't the problem its the lazy morons who sit for hours each day taking in mindless drivle.

[alien77]

I am kind of sick of people banging on about the licence fee. Just get rid of the television altogether. Its all bollocks anyway and nothing they can put on tv will ever compare to a good book.

The licence isn't the problem its the lazy morons who sit for hours each day taking in mindless drivle.

thanx for you comments...

Do you get told which books to buy ?
...Its a question Of State control ....

[sorath]

thanx for you comments...

Do you get told which books to buy ?
...Its a question Of State control ....

My point is nobody is forced to buy a television.

[alien77]

Taxes for schools , police, roads yes.....

.... taxes for Eastenders, bbc web sites .... "NO"

[simplysimon]

I am kind of sick of people banging on about the licence fee. Just get rid of the television altogether. Its all bollocks anyway and nothing they can put on tv will ever compare to a good book.

The licence isn't the problem its the lazy morons who sit for hours each day taking in mindless drivle.

I voted to keep the fee. People need to get so fed up with paying this tax that they decide to get rid of their TV's.

[wake_up_bomb]

My point is nobody is forced to buy a television.
Okay, well you probably use your computer quite a bit. Imagine if tomorrow you needed a 'computer licence' to use a computer, and it cost £150 per year, and you weren't allowed to use the Internet without it. And the government signed an agreement with all the ISPs to block all IP addresses that were shown not to have a licence in their database. You're not forced to use a computer - how would you feel about that?

[bagatell]

When I saw your thread title I thought you were suggesting scrapping the BBC. I'd be all for that even though I don't watch any programming.

[sorath]

I voted to keep the fee. People need to get so fed up with paying this tax that they decide to get rid of their TV's.

Exactly.

It will never happen though because people are thick as fuck. They want the rubbish that they so lovingly pay for. The BBC isn't the problem, its the morons that want it and continue to blindly fund it.

[sorath]

Okay, well you probably use your computer quite a bit. Imagine if tomorrow you needed a 'computer licence' to use a computer, and it cost £150 per year, and you weren't allowed to use the Internet without it. And the government signed an agreement with all the ISPs to block all IP addresses that were shown not to have a licence in their database. You're not forced to use a computer - how would you feel about that?

I don't need to use a computer for enjoyment. If it became tyranical I would get rid of it exactly as I got rid of my television years ago. I have a huge book collection, a lovely girlfriend and friends :D

[simplysimon]

I find it so ironic that people continually look outside of themselves for a solution. If you don't like something you need to change your perspective.

Unhappy with council/property tax? Sell your house and find another way to live.
Unhappy with tax on cigarettes? Grow your own tobacco.
Unhappy with fuel tax? Cycle more.

[gilly]

I have a TV set, and I sit down to watch telly at least once a week - sometimes more.

I'm not as thick as fuck. :p

I'm bored of people who've dumped their sets trying to insist that everyone else should do the same, but I've argued this previously, so can't be pestered to go 15 rounds over it again.

Yes, I'd like to see the licence scrapped, because it's nothing more or less than a rip-off.

I'd also like to see the system of Sky packages altered so that you could just select, and be charged for the channels you actually choose to watch. They promised to do this years ago, and still haven't (nor will they).

[wake_up_bomb]

I don't need to use a computer for enjoyment. If it became tyranical I would get rid of it exactly as I got rid of my television years ago. I have a huge book collection, a lovely girlfriend and friends :D
That's great, and I agree that's completely healthy. I wish I had a lovely girlfriend, frankly! You don't NEED to use your computer, but you CHOOSE to, so why should you be disincentivised to do so for something that does not need to exist? I don't watch TV much, because it's full of cack, but I personally wouldn't get rid of my TV for a few reasons, so therefore I theoretically have to pay the licence fee, which is completelt unnescessary and unjust.

I don't pay it, but that's beside the point...

[nirvana]

Ive never bought a tv licence in my life and Im not going to start now. Im a single man in a single flat so watching tv sometimes in company.

Also the tv is good for alot of old people for some of them its the only company they get. Sad but true.

[sorath]

You know the scary thing is that nobody has to pay it. they just do because they fear the legal ramifications if they don't. I think this issue goes alot deeper than just the BBC and their bullshit licence. It goes all the way to the core and links in well with the hardwork many of the freeman of the land people are doing.

[alien77]

I like to watch T.v....
and i dont want to be told which channels to pay for...

The commercial channels are struggling to make profit , and the BBc is cushioned.....
So it that Can make stuff like "Eastenders" ; programmes that the commerical channels can and do make......
..So BBC Just replicates..

But thats beside the point...

... No ! to state control of our T.V..

[wake_up_bomb]

You know the scary thing is that nobody has to pay it. they just do because they fear the legal ramifications if they don't. I think this issue goes alot deeper than just the BBC and their bullshit licence. It goes all the way to the core and links in well with the hardwork many of the freeman of the land people are doing.
This I can agree with. It is not at all difficult to avoid paying the licence.

[alien77]

The state can keep control of the news, BBC , ITN etc....

....But please stop charging us for "entertainment" programmes...

The Trouble is the BBC has always been used as a social engineering tool....
and its political agenda is thread through many of its programmes intentionally....

No ! to BBC social engineering...

[sorath]

The state can keep control of the news, BBC , ITN etc....

....But please stop charging us for "entertainment" programmes...

The Trouble is the BBC has always been used as a social engineering tool....
and its political agenda is thread through many of its programmes intentionally....

No ! to BBC social engineering...

You just want free tv. Admit it!

[disorder2k8]

Alien, you should start a petition at the number10 site, i think it will get a lot interest

[alien77]

You just want free tv. Admit it!

Just the right to choose...
...and the establishment out of the propaganda game..

There is no reason for the state to be making entertainment...

[alien77]

Alien, you should start a petition at the number10 site, i think it will get a lot interest

Thanx for the feedback.....
Lets see how our numbers work out here...on our poll...

[sorath]

Just the right to choose...
...and the establishment out of the propaganda game..

There is no reason for the state to be making entertainment...

If you consider the shit on tv entertainment then I feel sorry for you. You can choose. Plug in, switch on and drop out or don't conform to banality.

I want a new poll option.

Neither, tv is for dullards!

[decim]

This has become an issue for the commercial channels like C4 C5 etc.

People are not watching, their ratings have plummeted, they cannot demand the same revenue for their poxy adverts.

Hence they go crying to the government about the BBC licence fee.
They are dying.

If you are against the NWO & MSM would it not make sense to support the BBC until the other propagandists were no longer trading.

Then address the licence compulsion.

This issue is a double edged sword.

[nirvana]

If the licence people come to your door ,tell them to go and get a warrent.

I had one chap come to my door ask if i had a tv ,i said i aint got a tv and he said he wanted to come in and have a look ,i told him to get a warrent.

3 weeks later he turns up with some guy in a suit .I ask if they have a warrent they say no i tell them to fuck off then.

This has happend couple of times and they never come back if you tell them to get a warrent.

To stop the threatening letters write back saying your an old women and is now on medication with her nerves due to the threatening letters off them.

[beldazar]

I am kind of sick of people banging on about the licence fee. Just get rid of the television altogether. Its all bollocks anyway and nothing they can put on tv will ever compare to a good book.

The licence isn't the problem its the lazy morons who sit for hours each day taking in mindless drivle.

I agree

[alien77]

All members are welcome to vote.... Please do so...

[disorder2k8]

its not about about watching TV or not or , its that its a payment that is forced on everyone just for getting a signal on a TV, which is totalitarian.

licenses should be by choice... isntead of should be scrapped/not

sadly there is no other choice.

[sorath]

its not about about watching TV or not or , its that its a payment that is forced on everyone just for getting a signal on a TV, which is totalitarian.

licenses should be by choice... isntead of should be scrapped/not

sadly there is no other choice.

The thing is the "payment" isn't forced on anyone. Yeah sure they send you letters and send enforcement officers to your door but as previous posters have stated, they have no legal right to enter your home. The BBC provide a service which people are quiet happy to pay for. Until people start to see the BBC for what it actually is they will continue to pay for their "entertainment."

I agree that its shit you should have to pay for picking up their signal but really nobody is forcing anyone to plug that aerial into that tv. Choose to watch and pay, choose to watch and not pay or choose life! lol

[scuzz]

I agree that its shit you should have to pay for picking up their signal but really nobody is forcing anyone to plug that aerial into that tv. Choose to watch and pay, choose to watch and not pay or choose life! lol

Thing is, the alternative is more barrages of crap adverts, or pay to watch TV. Neither of which is attractive. Not defending the Beeb, just pointing out. IMO its all a result of deciding to create BBC1-1million, etc. thousands of channels, all crap. Consolidate the channels, increase the funding.

[alien77]

You would think that after 80 odd years, that this BBc would be getting cheaper, not more expensive....
....with operating costs coming down......

...but thats another side issue....

This issue is the fascist state forcing people to pay for the BBC.....
and then using its for social engineering....

[scuzz]

You would think that after 80 odd years, that this BBc would be getting cheaper, not more expensive....
....with operating costs coming down......

...but thats another side issue....

This issue is the fascist state forcing people to pay for the BBC.....
and then using its for social engineering....

So don't watch then, pow, problem solved :) You really think that if they scrapped the license, and switched to adverts, there would be less social engineering?

[and justice for all]

I like to watch T.v....
and i dont want to be told which channels to pay for...

The commercial channels are struggling to make profit , and the BBc is cushioned.....
So it that Can make stuff like "Eastenders" ; programmes that the commerical channels can and do make......
..So BBC Just replicates..

But thats beside the point...

... No ! to state control of our T.V..

It does not matter if you watch or like to watch TV programming (mind control/brain washing) or not, hence the 'throw away your TV set' argument...
...my issue with the license is that I don't want "them" to get money for nothing, I don't want them to be given powers to persecute/fine so called "license dodgers", I don't want them to have an excuse to black mail you - literally with their constant flooding of threatening letters, I don't want them to have the legal "right" to harass/intimidate people and enter their homes.

That's the issue here, not if you should be watching their programming or not. It’s a matter of principle.

And the argument about people wanting to get TV (or cable or satellite) signals for free, it’s beyond laughable since the majority of the world do not pay, nor they’d dream about getting charged for sitting in their own living rooms and use their very own appliance that they’ve damn well bought and paid good money for.

[scuzz]

And the argument about people wanting to get TV (or cable or satellite) signals for free, it’s beyond laughable since the majority of the world do not pay, nor they’d dream about getting charged for sitting in their own living rooms and use their very own appliance that they’ve damn well bought and paid good money for.

And yet you pay for internet access.....

Well, at least the majority do

[and justice for all]

And yet you pay for internet access.....

lol, no I don’t. But side issue. Even if I did pay for the internet connection that’s analogous to paying for cable TV, or satellite TV services, which is fine by me if that’s the kind of thing you like and I used to pay for cable quite a number of years ago and I was very happy with what I was getting for my money, now I don’t care much for television in general. But I still feel strongly about the license even if it doesn’t affect me directly just as much as I reject the introduction of the new 50p internet tax (again: even if it doesn’t affect me), like I said; it’s a matter of principle.

[alien77]

BBC....stop telling us how to spend out money.....!!!

stop wasting our money on adverts for your programmes !!!!

SCRAP the fee...

[alien77]

95% of people so far, want the fee scrapped .......

[nofuture]

If you scrap the licence fee they'll have us paying for stuff through the nose, and even more of it will be garbage. Is that what you want? An even dumber population?

[fairyelfdog]

Throw out your television! :D

[alien77]

Does anybody feel strongly about the fee ??
I believe that the concept of having to pay a fee to The BBC ,in order to own a television is a prime example of the FASCIST state...
..Please tell me how it isnt????

Please establishment cronies...give the people the choice..

other members , do you feel enslaved by the BBC????

How is Britain any different from The apparent state controlled Russia or China????

BBC = facist state

[alien77]

I read in one of the papers the other day, that they are even thinking of sticking the fee onto your council tax instead......becos more people are avoiding paying the fee.....

when are these F**kers going to accept that people want to decide for themselves what they want to spend their own money on.....

[alien77]

does no one else feel strongly about this...??
Im surprised about that....becos BBC is a powerful club which tells people how to live......

[ianw]

KEEP IT, KEEP IT.

Or go down the same raod that Finnland is going down.
The Media licence that costs 175e.
No Tv ditector van required
Every dwelling in Finnland must pay this regaurdless of what media they use.
That price btw is an estimate.

http://www.adressit.com/mediamaksu

http://yle.fi/uutiset/talous_ja_politiikka/2009/04/tyoryhma_ylen_rahoitukseen_175_euron_mediamaksu_70 0179.html


The only thing unique about how the bbc is funded,is that the bills arrive at english adresses.
Finnlands had Tv licence fee,going back decades,there going to test out the new payment system.
Do you realy want to follow?

[alien77]

KEEP IT, KEEP IT.


The only thing unique about how the bbc is funded,is that the bills arrive at english adresses.
Finnlands had Tv licence fee,going back decades,there going to test out the new payment system.
Do you realy want to follow?

I want these cronies in u.k or finland to let the people decide what they want to pay for....

[gilly]

does no one else feel strongly about this...??
Im surprised about that....becos BBC is a powerful club which tells people how to live......

I think alot of people do feel quite strongly about it, but...

1). It's been discussed before.

2). We're afraid of being attacked by the, "Throw your telly out IMMEDIATELY" bullies. (We're not really :D, but it gets tedious when you've had the same debate a few times).

[alien77]

how can individuals stem the tide of the police state, like the bbc?

[alien77]

I strongly oppose this bbc...

invidual freedom...not facist state..

[candykorn_85]

When I did watch tv (the last time being like 3 years ago,) I totally preferred watching the BBC than any other channel. Okay, maybe I liked Channel 4 too.. but yeah, lol!

I don't think the BBC is completely full of s*** as most people say, their documentary's were really good! :D

However, I still think TV at all is just lame. Hence why I stopped watching it. There are far more productive things to do with your spare time after a hard days work, in my opinion.

[alien77]

When I did watch tv (the last time being like 3 years ago,) I totally preferred watching the BBC than any other channel. Okay, maybe I liked Channel 4 too.. but yeah, lol!

I don't think the BBC is completely full of s*** as most people say, their documentary's were really good! :D

However, I still think TV at all is just lame. Hence why I stopped watching it. There are far more productive things to do with your spare time after a hard days work, in my opinion.

Do you have any views about the police state aspects of this bbc ?

[candykorn_85]

Do you have any views about the police state aspects of this bbc ?

Like I said, I don't watch it and when I did I only watched documentaries I pre-planned to watch etc. So I can't really have an opinion on that.

People moan about s*** on the tv all the time, then don't effin' watch it.
You really think those shows etc would still be playing if the ratings were at rock bottom? No.

It's common sense.

[alien77]

The state tells you what televison stations you must pay for...
it tells you what internet web sites you must pay for..

how is this any different from the Soviet Union, and its contempt for indivdual freedom?

[januspolanski]

WTF it says I have already voted but I obv havent.

[alien77]

WTF it says I have already voted but I obv havent.

the ballots clean !:eek:

[alien77]

can the people who voted for the bbc fee....tell us all why we should be forced by law to subscribe to a particular company...and be forced by law to own a t.v

becos im interested how anyone can support this tyranny...

[meksar]

I feel like throwing a brick through my T.V when these half assed liars(they ain't that good at it anymore) give us a orgy of their weak and pathetic propaganda. To actually have to pay a license to these people is not sane and credible.

[lightgiver]

Paying to be brainwashed,now that is lunacy:D

The Ministry of Truth comes to mind.

The Ministry of Truth (or Minitrue, in Newspeak) is one of the four ministries that govern Oceania in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. As with the other Ministries in the novel, the Ministry of Truth is a misnomer and in reality serves an opposing purpose to that which its name would imply, being responsible for the falsification of historical events; and yet is aptly named in a deeper sense, in that it creates/manufactures "truth" in the newspeak sense of the word.:D

Ministry of Truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Ministry of Truth is where the main character of the book Nineteen Eighty-Four, Winston Smith, works. It is an enormous pyramidal structure of glittering white concrete rising 300 meters into the air, containing over 3000 rooms above ground. On the outside wall are the three slogans of the Party: "War is Peace," "Freedom is Slavery," "Ignorance is Strength." There is also a large part underground, probably containing huge incinerators where documents are destroyed after they are put down memory holes. For his description, Orwell was inspired by the Senate House at the University of London.

The Ministry of Truth is involved with news media, entertainment, the fine arts and educational books. Its purpose is to rewrite history and change the facts to fit party doctrine, for propaganda effect.

http://www.airmp3.net/search/the_matrix/the_matrix/mp3/aXa

[alien77]

After an incident last year, with the usual goons...
i no longer own a tv. set.....
becos didnt want goons in my face, forcing into my property...
and etc etc...


so The BBC, and the political ESTABLISHMENT can go FUCK themselves...


:cool:

[tien an]

So many posters here are missing the point.

This isn't really about TV at all.

Someone from Finnland posted a couple of pages back, mentioning a 'media licence'.
This is the real issue at hand!
You pay good money for a product (TV / mobile phone / DVD-player etc.), you then pay a service provider (cable tv company / phone co. ) and then you use it...

Now why the fuck should anyone levy a tax on your use of it?

THAT is the issue here, not whether TV / mobile phones / internet or whatever you do is 'good for you' or 'boring'.

Think a bit!

tien an.

[glacidtek]

it realy doesnt matter to me....

I'v never paid a license,
I'v never opened a TV license letter,
They have never had my name in connection to any address I'v lived at,
They have no authority.

[tien an]

it realy doesnt matter to me....

I'v never paid a license,
I'v never opened a TV license letter,
They have never had my name in connection to any address I'v lived at,
They have no authority.

You're very fortunate then.

tien an.

[alien77]

J. Lyndsay: "An example of these enforcement methods was experienced by an elderly neighbour of mine when she was confronted at her back window by an enforcer who wasn't aware that she didn't own a TV set. It's the kind of thing you expect in a police state." . . . "The BBC defend themselves, claiming that they're a genuine public service broadcaster, but it's impossible to justify using totalitarian tactics to force people to pay for junk like this."

[alien77]

Peter G. Hill: "[A]s soon as an address is seen to be unregistered in respect of a TV licence, the occupant is subjected to an unending stream of letters, the constant message being that you are guilty of harbouring an unregistered TV. In the early stages, the letters are just accusatory but rapidly become bullying, insulting and finally intimidating and highly offensive. What other government organisation, business or even court of law would send out a letter in an envelope adorned in large print with the message 'Notice of impending prosecution' or 'Your next appearance could be in court'? This, when no evidence whatsoever of TV possession exists." . . . "Persecution is not too strong a word to describe the actions of TV Licensing and it beggars belief that such practices should be acceptable in society today."

[alien77]

the full article is here..http://www.marmalade.net/lime/philip_dean.html (http://www.marmalade.net/lime/philip_dean.html)

In my correspondence I've always stressed the harassment angle, not just the trespass angle. The trespass angle is pretty feeble, but the harassment angle isn't.

Harassment: (1) A course of action by party A is harassment of party B if party A should have previously known its actions would be harassing to party B. or (2) A course of action by party A is harassment if party B informs party A that their actions are causing harassment, and that party A should now desist. If party A continues it is guilty of harassment.

If you write and inform BBC TVL that you have no need of a licence and that their correspondence or threats of visits/actual visits are unwanted and are causing harassment, then if BBC TVL continued they would be liable under (2) above. This is my understanding of the law, and I don't claim this to be definitive.

...so the facists can go f**k themselves..

any thoughts fellow readers??????????????????:confused:

[alien77]

http://www.marmalade.net/lime/#people

some very interesting reading......please read members

[alien77]

any ideas how the little people can get this facist BBC fee smashed ???

when i we going to have the freedom to own a tv without a facist fee ???

BBC= Soviet Union

[apekteina lordosis]

any ideas how the little people can get this facist BBC fee smashed ???

when i we going to have the freedom to own a tv without a facist fee ???

BBC= Soviet Union

i haven't researched this much but i am fairly sure almost all televisions sold in the uk are sold with a tuner built into them. the only way to get round that is to use a computer monitor, for example i have a 24" lcd 1080p high definition screen, and the only way i can watch broadcasts is by virtue of the fact my puter has a tuner card (though the only reason i spunked dosh on such a high spec screen was to fully utilize the puters bluray drive). the issue is of course is (as far as i am aware) they don't sell 50" computer monitors! not sure of the status of televisions built for sale in other countries aka whether they are sold sans tuner.

the point of that being is people should have the choice to purchase a screen with which they use it it to only watch dvd and blurays. i know in the early days of flatscreens many didn't come with a inbuilt tuner but the advent of high definition broadcasts has given the television manufacturers the excuse to build tuners into them, regardless of the fact that seperate personal video recorder units have also become very popular.

wait til crazy arsed really high speed internet connections are common and the world has fallen for "cloud computing"- effectively computers as we know them will be no longer, all people will have is a "television", a mouse and a keyboard. in some ways that might be positive, about from the cloud computing aspect of saving all your data on online servers. probably be a battle of the software giants first though- the ultimate of all betamax vs vcr gubbins. perhaps if such a future does come to pass people will return to seeing "television" purely as a machine that allows them to view content, rather than a status symbol and thus we'll see a return to better quality content.

yours sincerely

mr 24" lcd 1080p high definition ;)


ps... soz guess that doesn't answer your question :o but hopefully a valid point or two presented.

[rydeon]

They Call this country a democracy (u.k)....ha ha.....

We have to to pay to own a T.v : so that the establishement can then help fund their own propaganda, with which to condition us with , in our every day lives....

The licence fee is a prime example, of the facist state at its best(irony)....

When will the public get the real vote that they want, which is to scrap this tyranny....

I set up a vote to guage opinion here.....please vote.

It's the same with most online polls I see, whether it's even the BNP, here or on the msm sites like Daily mail people want it gone.
I think once the groundswell against the Beeb reaches the true voters who are left-wing then we might see them change...

[redheat]

I voted to keep the fee. People need to get so fed up with paying this tax that they decide to get rid of their TV's.

I have no t.v's therefore i do not pay t.v licence. I stopped paying 4 months ago. I have a laptop and internet... what more do i need?

[hadabusa]

hahaha, calling a monarchy a democracy.
yeah,the queen et all are stiull here for fun and traditional reasons.lol

[alien77]

Any thoughts from member?:confused:

[alien77]

over 90% want it scrapped..

but like any facist state...what the people want doesnt mean anything..

I want the right to choose what i pay for

[alien77]

On what basis do you support a system which forces people to pay for something they may not want ????????

And is used as a tool For social engineering...

Can the 7 people who voted to keep FEE, say why?

[vetis]

The worst thing are those self righteous "throw your tv out you mindless drones i did lulz" types. Nothing wrong with entertainment, you relax one way, others relax another. It doesnt make you right and it doesnt automatically make others less switched on.

Get over yourself. You are worse than born again vegetarians or ex-smokers.

[alien77]

The right to own a t.v and not have to pay for BBC.....

The facist state has no right to tell people what tv channels to pay for...

What kind of sick society is it ,where you have to have a licence to own a television...

:eek:

[alien77]

Will shaking off the tyranny of the BBC licence be as hard and complex as shaking off the soviet union in russia?

[alien77]

SCREW the bbc licence fee, and their agenda..
Programming us all..

Their channels are fucking well crap also.

[alien77]

and when are these assholes going to stop telling us who to vote for and not to vote for...

I want a t.v without having to pay for fucking BBC ,and have them tell me what my own views are.

[alien77]

If the fee was scrapped the commercial market would have a bigger market to get revenue from....

The bbc just produces the same shit as the commercial channels anyway....

Their TAX on owning a A T.v , is a POLICE STATE..

[snapdragon]

I haven't had a TV License in the 11 years since I left home and I live in a house on a main road. They only came round once, and I politely told them I was not interested and closed the door. I have received hundreds of silly letters which go into the shredder. I have advised others to do the same when they have moaned about the license, but they get scared and end up getting one again!:mad:

PS there is no such thing as a detector van, no handheld device, they cannot enter your house or make you speak them. Just tell the employee of CAPITA you do not have one goodbye.

[alien77]

i haven't had a tv license in the 11 years since i left home and i live in a house on a main road. They only came round once, and i politely told them i was not interested and closed the door. I have received hundreds of silly letters which go into the shredder. I have advised others to do the same when they have moaned about the license, but they get scared and end up getting one again!:mad:

Ps there is no such thing as a detector van, no handheld device, they cannot enter your house or make you speak them. Just tell the employee of capita you do not have one goodbye.

A VERY good post for our members

[alien77]

A Political campaign should be launched to stop this tyranny of the BBC...

goons knocking on peoples doors , intimidating people about a T.v or non existing t.v....:mad::mad:

[enga]

My Husband used to work for tv licensing people in the call centre. The company is called C(r)apita. He said they are a bunch of liars that would sell their Grandmas to get people on direct debits over the phone. Every lie going. The TV license is a done deal until at least 2012+ so any talk of scrapping it is not gonna happen anytime soon. The Government are behind them.

[enga]

Okay, well you probably use your computer quite a bit. Imagine if tomorrow you needed a 'computer licence' to use a computer, and it cost £150 per year, and you weren't allowed to use the Internet without it. And the government signed an agreement with all the ISPs to block all IP addresses that were shown not to have a licence in their database. You're not forced to use a computer - how would you feel about that?

Yeah this is disgusting and what they are currently trying to do. I'll be against this all the way. I don't need to use BBC crap and don't see why anyone should be forced to pay for something they don't use.

[enga]

This is their response to petition:

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20382

Thank you for your e-petition.

The Government believes that the BBC has an essential role to play at the heart of public service broadcasting in the United Kingdom. In order for the BBC to fulfill this role, it needs an adequate and reliable source of funding.

Following the Charter Review between 2003 and 2006, the BBC’s Royal Charter was renewed for ten years and the BBC Licence fee was retained by the Government as the main source of BBC funding for the period of the BBC’s new Charter, that is to say until 2016.

The review involved an unprecedented level of public engagement, including public events and seminars, opinion research and public consultations, to which we received some 10,000 responses. All of this made clear that the British public values the BBC and wants it to continue to provide a broad range of public services, including many services which the market alone would not provide.

In January 2007, the Government announced a six-year funding settlement for the BBC, beginning in April 2007. This followed the most open process for setting the level of the licence fee ever, taking into account submissions from the public and the industry, independent advice, research and public debate. It is a fair and realistic settlement, which allow the BBC to achieve its key objectives, as set out in its Charter and Agreement.

The Government looked very carefully at possible alternative methods of financing the BBC, including direct Government funding, advertising, sponsorship and subscription. However, all of these had serious drawbacks. Direct Government funding would risk undermining the BBC’s independence. Neither advertising, sponsorship nor subscription would support the BBC’s current range of programmes and services, so funding the BBC from one or more of these sources would mean that some of those programmes and services would no longer be provided.

The Government is committed to reviewing the scope for alternative funding mechanisms to take effect after 2016. This will take in account the final costs of switchover and the outcome of the wider review of Public Service Broadcasting (PSB) funding to which the Government committed in the Charter Review White Paper.

Further information on the Charter Review and the White Paper consultation can be access via the following link: www.bbccharterreview.org.uk.

[alien77]

"Direct Government funding would risk undermining the BBC’s independence"
no such thing as a indepedent organisation.

"Neither advertising, sponsorship nor subscription would support the BBC’s current range of programmes and services, so funding the BBC from one or more of these sources would mean that some of those programmes and services would no longer be provided."
yes eastenders is so vital, as is all the other crap like graham norton , or millions on jonathan ross.


WE DONT WANT TO PAY FOR BBC ...... READ OUR LIPS ELITE..

[alien77]

People want to own a t.v , and decide for themselves what channels they want to watch or pay for....

no one cares about the BBC, and those that do can pay for it....

BBC = SOVIET UNION.....

[alien77]

DOES anyone else want the fee Scrapped.????
The bbc can continue its wonderful services of mass propaganda , and crap tv.....
as a commerical channel....

[alien77]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/01/bbc-james-murdoch-new-media

"First, his case is undermined by the fact that, while everyone has their pet grumbles, most Britons feel a strong attachment to the BBC"

nO THEY DO NOT...

[alien77]

"The BBC is one of the few British exports to be universally recognised as world class.."

It doesnt make a profit ?!?! thats some crap export..

[alien77]

"Much of its other 'quality' output is also seen as representative not of the UK, but of a self-satisfied pontificating Islington elite who neither know nor care about the rest of the country, whilst its 'popular' programming output is with rare exceptions peurile drivel which could have been broadcast by any crappy commercial channel."

Comment by member of public on the page.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/01/bbc-james-murdoch-new-media

I AGREE

[alien77]

"Here's the view from the hinterland: The BBC is overstaffed, overpaid and overhyped. It is not non-political, it is in fact, extremely political and pushes its agenda in an increasingly unsubtle manner. It is elitist and scornful of the average person. Why should those people who never ever watch a single programme on the BBC have to pay for it in order for them to watch another network? As well as being overly political, the BBC is also a highly commercial organisation pushing its octopus tentacles into more and more areas that have nothing to do with its remit or charter. I would like to see it broken up and sold off, retaining two televsion stations and two radio stations"

Very well said.......

[alien77]

"A national treasure? I don't think so.

To most of the population of this country BBC stands for Blatantly Biased Cr*p.

The Guardian with airwaves in fact. Every BBC job advert is placed in, and only in, the Guardian, both to ensure that only Islington leftists apply and also to subsidise the Guardian with compulsorily collected public funds.

The BBC is a lazy, arrogant, corrupt, complacent and self-serving. It is a left-wing propaganda service, uncritically committed to Brussels and the EUSSR, to multiculturalism and diversity, to an ever more powerful, ever more prescriptive and intrusive state. Institutionally left-wing, intolerant and bigotted toward any who question left-wing shibboleths and mantras."

well said my friend

[alien77]

"Virtually every radio program on its supposedly "high-brow" Radio 4 service is riddled with insidious leftist messages, presented as unchallengable self-evident truths, that only a lunatic would question"

[alien77]

"Above all, it is funded by the entirely indefensible licence fee, levied on a piece of equipment the BBC does not make, is not the only nor anything like the best producer of content for, does not supply the only or even the principal distribution channel for. It is, as has been observed, no more justifiable than saying that if you buy a copy of the Guardian or the Indpendent, you must also pay a levy toward the Sun and the Sunday Sport, or that if you buy soap powder in Morrisons, you must make a substantial payment to Tesco.

Defending the licence fee is defending the indefensible, even more of an anachronism than the BBC itself. If the BBC is so wonderful and high-brow as its Islington afficionados claim, let it go to subscription only and see how many of the punters will choose to pay for it."

[alien77]

"But he'll find Auntie matches the NHS in public affections"

"Even more so. With its control of much of the broadcast spectrum and billions from ratepayers, it never ceases telling its subjects how fortunate they are to have the BBC and how wonderful it is.

I'm sure Pravda readers were equally admiring."

[alien77]

"Well the Beeb gave us Sir David Attenborough, Newsnight, classic era Eric and Ern, Panorama, the Ashes, free to air ........"

"Well I paid 130 quid for my "free to air" even though I don't like them or their politics."

[song_of_susannah]

Better still, scrap the Broadcasting Bollocks Corporation completely, and don't get me started on all the product placements and nice little backhanders.

[alien77]

"Don't let Murdoch smash this jewel. The BBC must act to save itself"

The British Brainwashing Corporation vs. The Murdoch Mogul Media Oligarchy.

I don't watch either, because they both spew propaganda. I do strongly object to having no choice about funding the BBC with its steath tax licence fee. It should not be compulsory to pay my hard earned cash just to own a television set. The sooner this polished turd that Freedland calls a "jewel" is abolished the better

I like having that choice from Murdoch to turn the channel without havng to fund its equally stupid format. Besides, the idea of state controlled media is in fact "Orwellian". Orwell wrote 1984 upstairs in bush house. I rest my case. 70% of what you read or view in any media is pretty much bullshit anyways. Thats why blogs and the internet are great because you can pick it part and disseminate and cut through all the noise.

I really fucking hate the BBC with a passion. I have never been able to forgive them for taking Benny Hill off the air.

[alien77]

This is the best arguement the Guardian left could come up with FOR the BBC....

Here it is folks....


"Why should those people who never ever watch a single programme on the BBC have to pay for it in order for them to watch another network?"

"I literally haven't watched ITV for years, why should I have to pay for it whenever I go shopping?"

[song_of_susannah]

Benny Hill eh? LOL! he's dead now anyway, there's always DVDs.

[alien77]

"The BBC should be broken up and sold off then we can spend the TV tax on something worthwhile instead of providing jobs for leftys from university who wait for a government non job.
Make it subscription and see who pays."

well said .......

[alien77]

I provided enough Information ......
From my side....
Now other people can share their views....

[alien77]

Better still, scrap the Broadcasting Bollocks Corporation completely, and don't get me started on all the product placements and nice little backhanders.

Yeah , they are often advertising their own f**king programmes...
...talk about waste more money..

[alien77]

"The enthusiasm of all the Guardianistas on here neatly makes the point - the BBC is an echo chamber for the Grauniad worldview.

Now I'm the sort of knuckle dragging, neocon neanderthal who prefers the the Daily Mail ( a newspaper which outsells the Grauniad roughly sixfold) - so why should I shell out £130 quid a year to propagate your minority opinions?

Do you really think your (minority) views are "better" than mine and should therefore be rammed down everyone else's throat - by force of law?

If the answer's yes - you're a bunch of fascists really -aren'y you?"

[alien77]

"Now can you answer my question: why, every time I shop at a retail chain, buy a car or pay an insurance premium in the UK, am I forced to pay a stealth tax to fund Sky, ITV and the Daily Mail, which I neither watch nor read?"

BULLSHIT YOU RED

[mrerisian]

Ok... I'm not going to make any friends with this one but I do not think the license fee should be scrapped. If it was the BBC would be destroyed forever and most importantly you'd never be able to get it back. Once you've killed it the change would be permanent. It should be reformed - no question about that. Certainly parts of it should be sold off and privatised (Radio 1 / Radio 2 / BBC 1 / BBC 3 etc.) but be very careful with this FUCK IT ALL attitude. You'd be playing into the hands of corporate media. I'd rather the BBC than an all commercial media landscape.

Does anybody feel strongly about the fee ??
I believe that the concept of having to pay a fee to The BBC ,in order to own a television is a prime example of the FASCIST state...
..Please tell me how it isnt????

Please establishment cronies...give the people the choice..

other members , do you feel enslaved by the BBC????

How is Britain any different from The apparent state controlled Russia or China????

BBC = facist state

Quite simple. The BBC is not under the direct editorial control of The Government. Or at least, it shouldn't be. In reality it sometimes is but not in principle and in practice such editorial control is usually indirect.

In a fascist state the control would be overt and constant as opposed to subtle and occasional.

There's your difference.

can the people who voted for the bbc fee....tell us all why we should be forced by law to subscribe to a particular company...and be forced by law to own a t.v


You are not forced by law to own a TV.

Your choice of TV in the UK is affected by the existence of the BBC whether you watch it or not. The BBC's presence forces ITV/SKY etc to up it's game. Furthermore a lot of Sky channels recycle BBC output at a knock down price. The subscription to a TV license fee makes sense because the presence of the BBC affects the whole of the UK television marketplace - both positively and negatively.

Like I said, I think the BBC need reforming not destroying.

Here's a post which backs this up:

When I did watch tv (the last time being like 3 years ago,) I totally preferred watching the BBC than any other channel. Okay, maybe I liked Channel 4 too.. but yeah, lol!

I don't think the BBC is completely full of s*** as most people say, their documentary's were really good! :D

The documentaries ARE really good. You wouldn't get them with a purely commercial model.

It's important to remember the C4 is NOT a commercial channel in the same sense as ITV or Sky. It was set up as a public service broadcaster by the Tories. If the license fee went C4's future would be very bleak. The argument would go something like this: Why give it so many breaks in terms of license fee etc when the public have just got rid of the BBC?

No BBC equals a media environment akin to the US but with a MUCH smaller budget. In fact, if you had your way Sky would be the main channel. No question about it. Most of our shows would be US imports.

And here's the nub. You're in the majority on this one. There's a lot of people who do not understand the debate who want the license fee scrapped:

It's the same with most online polls I see, whether it's even the BNP, here or on the msm sites like Daily mail people want it gone.


I suspect the BBC will end up being the subject of massive reform. If handled badly it will, in the long term, hand power to Murdoch et al. Now, in terms of their editorial policy overt Government control is openly acknowledged. Murdoch is proud of his relationship with Brown/Blair/Thatcher whoever. The Corporate Controlled media model would be fully in place. With the BBC there are rules about editorial bias etc which far exceed commercial practices.


The bbc can continue its wonderful services of mass propaganda , and crap tv.....
as a commerical channel....

Here's the point, which you are either ignoring or unaware of, a private BBC would not produce the same shows. It would change its character FOREVER. Forget the amazing documentaries about the natural world, quantum physics etc and say hello to X Factor. Simple as that. The advertising market is fucked at the moment. They'd be dancing to the tune of anyone who paid them. Currently they're paid by the license payer, the public. Not the Govt or the commercial sector.

Now, don't get me wrong here, not all BBC output is great. A good chunk of it is shit. However, the odd bit of sweetcorn in the sewage can be worth it. Get rid of the Beeb and you'd have a lot less good stuff coming out of the TV world.

"The BBC is one of the few British exports to be universally recognised as world class.."

It doesnt make a profit ?!?! thats some crap export..

Wrong - BBC worldwide does make a profit, most of which goes right back into making programmes.

In closing, I don't love the BBC but I do agree with the idea of quality public service broadcasting. You won't get that if you destroy the BBC. You'll get a less good version of the American model. In fact, in reality, we'd become even more culturally Americanised than we already are.

[alien77]

Thankyou for your valued contribution mrerisian..

[alien77]

The BBC replicates so much of what the commercial channels already does...

The Main arguement against the BBC , is that it legally forces people to pay for its "company".......
This is exaclty the same as a Police state...

The 2nd main arguement is that the BBC is used heavily for Propagand purposes....

[alien77]

Its doesnt matter , even if the BBC was making the most amazing programmes....
at an amazing price...

The fact is They should have no right to tell people how to spend their money...

People should have the right to own a t.v, witout being forced to pay for their
services...

This system is no different from SOVIET UNION....
and its not surprising that the BBC has a marxist mind set...

[mrerisian]

The BBC replicates so much of what the commercial channels already does...


Not saying it shouldn't be reformed. However, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. There's a lot the BBC does that commercial media wouldn't even consider.


The Main arguement against the BBC , is that it legally forces people to pay for its "company".......
This is exaclty the same as a Police state...


Not quite true. The Government forces people to pay for it. That's an important distinction.


The 2nd main arguement is that the BBC is used heavily for Propagand purposes....

As I've already pointed out to you. This is not quite as clear cut as you make out. The commercial media is a bigger propagandist than the BBC. If you didn't have the BBC that would be even more true. For examples look at the US.

Its doesnt matter , even if the BBC was making the most amazing programmes....
at an amazing price...


Obviously the above is wrong. An amazing price, say 50p a year, and amazing programmes would significantly change the argument. Here's where you're missing the point. If the Beeb were reformed it would be better for everyone. Currently it's massively over funded and has its fingers in far too many pies.


The fact is They should have no right to tell people how to spend their money...


Taxation is not something unique to the BBC. We get told to pay money to the Govt for all sorts of rubbish.


People should have the right to own a t.v, witout being forced to pay for their
services...

This system is no different from SOVIET UNION....
and its not surprising that the BBC has a marxist mind set...

Dude, just repeating your point over and over doesn't make it right. It is different to the Soviet Union. I had friends who lived behind the iron curtain and to be honest such a comparison is pretty crass. As I've said, the BBC has editorial guidelines designed to stop it from becoming a mouthpiece for Westminster's regime. They don't always work but you'd have to be a moron to think that the Beeb sucks Gordon Brown's balls in the same way that Soviet TV used to their 'noble leaders'.

Your argument has fallen apart a little.

[alien77]

The BBC is very simliar to the soviet Union...

It forces people to pay for it....no individual freedom...FACT

It main function is Propaganda....FACT

It knocks on peoples doors....To ENSURE you have a licence.....FACT
to own A televison set....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What next . A licence to own a pair of trainers..!

The BBC tells you what to think...Again thats the same AS the UNION..

BBC is not an important service like roads, health , education , defence...
Its "Education" is not wanted...

[alien77]

i THOUGHT everyone would be interested in The concept of the BBC licence fee.......and how it relates to the fascist state......

....how they want to control society......

and limit the free market,.......the free society.....

becos the "free" market in its

true sense ,represents freedom of speech....
individual freedom......
freedom from slavery...

AS we all know unfortunately the free market is also held in a massive stranglehold, by a small group of elites who hold us in slavery..

[trev1]

I agree scrap the TV license !! why do we have to pay it?
I have to pay it again 160 euros per year :(

People here are missing the point - its nothing to do whether you
watch tv or not or think its carp - its the principle....

yeah there is a lot of muck on it like eastenders (oh how depressing!)
and the like. But I have cable TV and am a snooker fan so watch it
for that. Also I might look at some classic comides like fools and horses,
etc., just for a laugh. My point is its not sad to wathc it like someone
suggested.

In fairness I use my 32" tv to watch DVDs and play the wii game :), maybe 95% of the time ...so I could live without tv stations....but I guess im
paying the license for watching tv stations and not DVDs ...right?
What if the inspector comes knocking and you say yeah I have a TV but
I dont watch and 'tv stations' just DVDs!

[alien77]

Had another visit from those criminals again the other day....
but was out.....
they left a note saying they had been...


The bbc is a fascist organisation......an arm of the fascist state...
They can both go and fuck themselves.

WE must all work together by not paying these cunts....
they have no right to fucking knock on my door , and make Me pay tribute to their BULLSHIT...

I urge all members to rally against these cunts.

[alien77]

I would urge all members not to vote for any of the big 3 parties at the election either.....
Becos they are all just a bunch of cunts....and they all support the BBC....

ITS the establishment ring fencing its instituions, of power.

BBC , main 3 parties, same axis of BULLSHIT