ayahuasca

[on the road]

im quite into the maya shaman thing and ive read that the important thing about this substance is the preparation of it.

has anyone had it and how do you prepare it?

i really want to take this to the next level .

[chris]

Yeah I've had it, I can't speak now..It's really pure, natural and interesting..I'll post more later, peace.

[on the road]

cheers ill look out for your post

:o

[auron]

Here is an excellent place to find out all the information you require on ayahuasca:

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13108

And a fine forum indeed i must say. :)

[cleft_asunder]

im quite into the maya shaman thing and ive read that the important thing about this substance is the preparation of it.

has anyone had it and how do you prepare it?

i really want to take this to the next level .

Vaults of erowid is the bomb:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

[cleft_asunder]

Simply, the Banisteriopsic Caapi and a monoamine oxidate inhibitor such as Syrian Rue Seeds are combined and boiled. I've made the brew a couple times, but I failed both times because I didn't have an adequate/qaulity MAOI, and I didn't have enough of it. I used a certain leef for the MAOI instead of Syrian Rue, and it's important that that leef is fresh. I forgot what it was called.

Also, I've read that you shouldn't roll-boil it, and rather you should simmer it. But this is nonsense because the tribes of south america boil the hell out of it, all day long! That's the way to do it.

[on the road]

Here is an excellent place to find out all the information you require on ayahuasca:

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13108

And a fine forum indeed i must say. :)

thanks, some very interesting reading on there.

bill hicks stated that he became aware through LSD. has anybody had any break-throughs on acid? i had acid a few times when i was younger in the early 90's but it was just a roller-coaster experience with strong hilusinations although i do remember being in bed one night after my strongest trip and thinking about life and death and the 'soul' and other deep things.in my head at the time i could see a picture of different levels of consoiusness.maybe i was tapping into oneness who knows.

[lifeofbrian]

Sorry if I rain on your parade here.

The tea takes people through the gate to the realm of the Serpent People. It is not where all people belong, spiritually. The realm of the Serpent people is where the "aliens" come from, the "mothmen" and the Biblical "demons". They are all created by human thought and emotions, not spiritual but magical in nature. Not of a lifegiving source but from humans as the source.

What drugs do, unlike spontaneous spiritual events, is guide people to certain "mansions" in the timeless realm between life on earth and the realm where we have a review and can chose whether to reincarnate here due to attachments to people or desires, or move on to other planets to further our soul-development.

Not all tribes on earth have become addicted to drugs for their spiritual understanding. Those who have often did so after wars and trauma.

I suggest drugs are limited and imprisoning - spiritual awareness does not rely on drugs. Spiritual awareness is even outside the chemicals of our brains. IE, NDEs.

Just my 2cents.

[auron]

I suggest drugs are limited and imprisoning - spiritual awareness does not rely on drugs.
Yes, very limiting indeed.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1741/shroompotgw4.gif

http://spectraleyes.com/albums/artworx/namaskar.jpg

[lifeofbrian]

Yes, very limiting indeed.

From what I understand, plants in their properties are not as multidimensional in nature as humans. So it would be folly to think the means of experience - the plant - can provide a wider/larger spiritual experience for the more advanced entity - the human - it is affecting.

We are free to believe what we want, of course.

Each to their own. Life is a learning experience.

[auron]

From what I understand, plants in their properties are not as multidimensional in nature as humans. So it would be folly to think the means of experience - the plant - can provide a wider/larger spiritual experience for the more advanced entity - the human - it is affecting.

We are free to believe what we want, of course.

Each to their own. Life is a learning experience.
Try taking 5 dried grams of mushrooms in an open field alone. :)

[lifeofbrian]

Try taking 5 dried grams of mushrooms in an open field alone. :)

Neither tempted nor in the need.

You enjoy.

[auron]

If you ever change your mind, we are always here!

http://www.visualbliss.co.uk/gallery/artwork/images/magic%20mushroom%20picture.jpg

[lifeofbrian]

If you ever change your mind, we are always here

I know you are. Not going anywhere soon either. If you ever get fed up with returning to the same old, encountering the occasional drug induced psychosis here and there in old age to sufficiently freak you out, try another route.

Stay well.

[auron]

Stay well.
Thank you.

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[soglad]

Lifeofbrian, what's the deal with the hostility against everyone on almost every thread you post on?

[lifeofbrian]

Thank you.

You are welcome.

( - Hey Joe, the denial is strong in this 'auron' one! )

[soglad]

Again, stop.

[lifeofbrian]

Lifeofbrian, what's the deal with the hostility against everyone on almost every thread you post on?

Excuse me?

Being the authority on me, I can assure you I feel less hostility than worry.

Who are you to tell me what my motivation is?

[lifeofbrian]

Again, stop.

Again, excuse me?

You are?

[soglad]

Excuse me?

Being the authority on me, I can assure you I feel less hostility than worry.

Who are you to tell me what my motivation is?

I'm Soglad, and from the reading of most of your posts I can concur that you are mainly of the criticizing type, who points out bad in everyone.

Please understand that all people are different and that not to argue with them (even sheeple or George Bush himself). It's the beautiful way of life. My friend Auron here and myself choose a psychedelic experience as our means of receiving enlightenment, so please don't criticize us over our free will.

[auron]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article6.shtml

[lifeofbrian]

I'm Soglad, and from the reading of most of your posts I can concur that you are mainly of the criticizing type, who points out bad in everyone.

Please understand that all people are different and that not to argue with them (even sheeple or George Bush himself). It's the beautiful way of life. My friend Auron here and myself choose a psychedelic experience as our means of receiving enlightenment, so please don't criticize us over our free will.

Concur whatever you like.

I gave my view on a topic in a public forum. If you can not stand that maybe you should have your sensitive conversations in PMs?

Presenting an opinion does not mean arguing.

Grow up. Or sober up. Whatever fits.

[soglad]

Grow up. Or sober up. Whatever fits.

Again, no need to say I'm childish, or immature. I am actually perfectly sober, and have only done mushroom 3 times in my life, ages ago.

Hope you bring some happy vibes to this already troll-ridden forum!

[lifeofbrian]

Again, no need to say I'm childish, or immature. I am actually perfectly sober, and have only done mushroom 3 times in my life, ages ago.

Hope you bring some happy vibes to this already troll-ridden forum!

Well, out there in the real world, people can actually have different opinions without getting personal about it and whining about the happy vibe being destroyed as if we are in some hippy festival, you know?

People are different. What did you say? It is the beauty of life?

Too right.

Walk your talk then. Tolerate that not all of us are just like you, or the way you want people to be. If you insist in telling me how to behave or what to say, to whom, and when, join Bush and other dictators.

Thank you for seeing my point.

[soglad]

Ok...

[auron]

Jun 15, 1521

The use of hallucinogenic mushrooms and peyote are driven underground as use of "non-alcohol" intoxicants is forbidden by Europeans in Mexico. Catholic priests punish the use of entheogens by native people.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_timeline.php

Hmm, i wonder why? Could it be that they open you up to your true self?

Why are mushrooms here? An accident?

[cheeb]

be a bit careful with your openess to drugs,
Soglad and Auron,
A mate of mine was making £100 guid a day selling em alledgedly,
never got caught,
Another set up a hydroponic system in a spare room,
was practically giving the stuff away got caught,
18 months in prison,
harmless hippy type,
You gotta be so careful,
It will fuck up your chances to go to America, or Australia.
Be safe

[soglad]

be a bit careful with your openess to drugs,
Soglad and Auron,
A mate of mine was making £100 guid a day selling em alledgedly,
never got caught,
Another set up a hydroponic system in a spare room,
was practically giving the stuff away got caught,
18 months in prison,
harmless hippy type,
You gotta be so careful,
It will fuck up your chances to go to America, or Australia.
Be safe

I'm very safe. I've no criminal record of anything, and I never buy loads of stuff. Only little bits every month or so, and secretly. Setting up a growing system is asking for trouble. Jeez, how amazingly crazy is it to break into someones house, arrest them, jail them and fine them and ruin their reputation all over a PLANT!! Bwahahahah, you've got to laugh at this world sometime!

[auron]

I don't grow them. Or anything for that matter. I have only taken them myself on 5 occasions.

They couldn't touch me anyway; I create my own reality. :)

[soglad]

They couldn't touch me anyway; I create my own reality. :)

Bwahahahah! Well said! :P

[cheeb]

Yeah, i know that,
but at the moment they are re classifying cannabis,
from class C to class B,
Big govt push at the moment,
cos of the skunk buisness.
you are right with personal,
If you got it wrapped your fucked if they catch you

[roxanna222]

I havent had and herb in near a year. But I do not think that it is bad. I do think that in some places such as Eire its infested with chems and what not. Here in Costa Rica its literally every where. Its a weed and grows natural here so not hard to find. Also no chems added. Its even legal to smoke and possess it (well up to a kilo) cant sell it though which always amuses me as then how bought unless you have a plant nearby that the local kids havent already plundered. Still its cool. I do want to grow a couple plants (I like gardening) for home use. Ill be careful though. Just a couple of them.

[auron]

Fuck Gordon Brown, Fuck the drug laws, and Fuck the black helicopters that fly over my house every day.

Yes, I know your watching and it amuses me. :)

[cheeb]

Fuck Gordon Brown, Fuck the drug laws, and Fuck the black helicopters that fly over my house every day.

Yes, I know your watching and it amuses me. :)

fair play to you mate,
great website,
heres a good link to psychedelia for ya.

http://fusionanomaly.net/TechNode.html

enjoy it friend, theres some good stuff there:)

[auron]

Wow! Great site, cheers mate! :)

[carlg1212]

im quite into the maya shaman thing and ive read that the important thing about this substance is the preparation of it.

has anyone had it and how do you prepare it?

i really want to take this to the next level .


It doesn't matter what we think, it's what you think that matters. Let us know how your journey is!!!

[auron]

I'm going to this place in Peru early next year:

http://www.ayahuasca-wasi.com/index.html

[aelusis]

I find it kind of interesting you think the tribes of yesterday were 'addicted' to drugs, considering the only drug in existence back then that was considered addictive (by today's standards, at least) was opium. Even cocaine, in its natural form within the coca leaf, was considered a greater combater of fatigue then caffeine because it didn't affect the digestive system. I implore everyone to think of 'drugs' (don't even get me started on this mass-generalization most seem to subscribe to on the subject) in their natural state before 'science' came and tampered with them. The worst naturally occuring drug, opium, provided the people with a pain killer in the form of morphine (not heroin) that was smoked or eaten. It wasn't until 'science' came along and isolated the morphine alkaloid and refined it even further into heroin that things started to get ugly. This was coupled with the 'opium wars' which were nothing but a massive illuminati operation that flooded the world markets with so much of the drug, the habit of it wasn't reserved for a select few anymore. Opium dens popped up at the rate that crack houses did in the mid to late eighties. This is because what was done for opium hundreds of years ago has been done with cocaine and heroin in this century by the illuminati. Same techniques, different show. If you want to predate that, we have the miracle of the hypodermic needle that allowed the opium to be injected.

It amuses me you speak of native tribes 'addiction' to drugs as some sort of neccesity to spiritual enlightenment when the first recorded cases of any such 'addictions' with them didn't begin until the introduction of...drum roll please....alcohol. The 'fire water' (yes, they really called it that) was brought by the 'whites', along with small pox and genocide. And this is a topic I'm a bit impassioned about as I live in Manitoba, which has some of the highest populations of natives in all of North America, and all I have to do is step outside my front door to see this genocide happening even as I type this. I partook in a peyote ceromony this passed winter with Peruvian Torch cactus, and the Natives I spoke with there on the subject would probably have a great many things to say to you on this subject as well. They all did unanimously agree with my theory on the intervention of 'science' and drugs, however. But that doesn't go for all Natives, either. I've met more then my share of them who are dead-set against drugs in any form, even if their clan's shaman says differently.

I'm going to assume that anyone reading this isn't completely uneducated on the subject, so we can get passed this mass-generalisation that makes me laugh so hard. Marijuana is not the same as Cocaine. LSD is not the same as Marijuana. This goes on and on. Hell, even cocaine insufflated (snorted)is not the same as freebased crack cocaine. If you want to get really into it, Morphine is not the same as Heroin, even though the latter becomes the former immedietly upon entering your body. Every drug deserves its own library, and this attitude so many people seem to have that 'drugs are bad, so don't do drugs, m'kay?' is only destroying what potential the beneficial ones have to assist and facilitate our evolution. I'm not saying I believe they're a neccesity, but to a species suffering from such a sickening case of amnesia I think, contrarily, they can be precisely what we need.

I made a post in a dead thread now called 'addictions' where I spoke of two occasions in my life that changed me dramaticaly (both induced my drugs), and I'll cut and paste them here:



"I can single handedly pinpoint the greatest moment I've experienced in the illusion to the night of December 23rd, 2001, when (with only minimal past experience ingesting psychedelics before this), I took my first dose of LSD. It was seven hits of the cleanest acid I have yet to come across, and I did this completely alone in my bedroom, without a sitter. Now, from my present perspective, this was nothing short of insane, yet I've never regretted it. Because what happened to me that night could never be fully put into words. The runner-up for single-greatest-moment was one night after eating a large amount of psilocibin mushrooms, they made me violently ill. As I grew sicker and sicker, laying on the floor of my bedroom in a pool of my own bodily fluids, I experienced what I've heard described as 'ego-death'. I knew I was dying. And through this feeling of engulfing fear that (again, you truely have to experience to know what it's like), I completely separated from my body.

It should be known though that the fear I speak of isn't the conscious fear we experience in our daily 'lives', like being afraid to confront someone or asking a woman out, fearing rejection. The fear one experiences during a negative trip is such an undiluted form, it's as if your very sanity is being torn away from you. And in this state of misery that languge could never describe, as I prepared for death, something else happened. And again (I know I sound like a broken record), this is where the story ends, because I could spend the rest of my life at this keyboard and I'd never be able to really communicate what it was like.

Now these two events in my life, both induced by 'drugs', changed me in ways I could never ponder otherwise. What followed since those nights has been a quest for truth that took me everywhere from Islam to, inevitably I suppose, David Icke."




And there you have it. That's what drugs have done, for me. They woke me the fuck up. But you're all already awake, so the same couldn't be said for everyone reading this. I take drugs, and fairly regularly too. In fact, as I don't work tommorow, I'm probably going to eat some mushrooms tonight and watch 'Baraka' and 'What Dreams May Come', the two greatest movies ever made for my psychedelia. And as I watch them, I'm going to ponder the universe inside, because that's where the real movie will be playing from. The mushrooms aren't a neccesity. They're merely externalizing what's already there for me to find.

[ashyr]

oh no its the drug thing.

i respect your viewpoint auron. gives a calm sensible approach to drug taking, its not a SOCIAL thing really. but can be, and usualy is. but mostly i find the real GEMS of drug taking to be the whole personal experience or "spiritual quest" it is sometimes called.

im going to look up this ayahuasca, is it street legal? is it like salvia in anyway?

[auron]

I find it kind of interesting you think the tribes of yesterday were 'addicted' to drugs, considering the only drug in existence back then that was considered addictive (by today's standards, at least) was opium. Even cocaine, in its natural form within the coca leaf, was considered a greater combater of fatigue then caffeine because it didn't affect the digestive system. I implore everyone to think of 'drugs' (don't even get me started on this mass-generalization most seem to subscribe to on the subject) in their natural state before 'science' came and tampered with them. The worst naturally occuring drug, opium, provided the people with a pain killer in the form of morphine (not heroin) that was smoked or eaten. It wasn't until 'science' came along and isolated the morphine alkaloid and refined it even further into heroin that things started to get ugly. This was coupled with the 'opium wars' which were nothing but a massive illuminati operation that flooded the world markets with so much of the drug, the habit of it wasn't reserved for a select few anymore. Opium dens popped up at the rate that crack houses did in the mid to late eighties. This is because what was done for opium hundreds of years ago has been done with cocaine and heroin in this century by the illuminati. Same techniques, different show. If you want to predate that, we have the miracle of the hypodermic needle that allowed the opium to be injected.

It amuses me you speak of native tribes 'addiction' to drugs as some sort of neccesity to spiritual enlightenment when the first recorded cases of any such 'addictions' with them didn't begin until the introduction of...drum roll please....alcohol. The 'fire water' (yes, they really called it that) was brought by the 'whites', along with small pox and genocide. And this is a topic I'm a bit impassioned about as I live in Manitoba, which has some of the highest populations of natives in all of North America, and all I have to do is step outside my front door to see this genocide happening even as I type this. I partook in a peyote ceromony this passed winter with Peruvian Torch cactus, and the Natives I spoke with there on the subject would probably have a great many things to say to you on this subject as well. They all did unanimously agree with my theory on the intervention of 'science' and drugs, however. But that doesn't go for all Natives, either. I've met more then my share of them who are dead-set against drugs in any form, even if their clan's shaman says differently.

I'm going to assume that anyone reading this isn't completely uneducated on the subject, so we can get passed this mass-generalisation that makes me laugh so hard. Marijuana is not the same as Cocaine. LSD is not the same as Marijuana. This goes on and on. Hell, even cocaine insufflated (snorted)is not the same as freebased crack cocaine. If you want to get really into it, Morphine is not the same as Heroin, even though the latter becomes the former immedietly upon entering your body. Every drug deserves its own library, and this attitude so many people seem to have that 'drugs are bad, so don't do drugs, m'kay?' is only destroying what potential the beneficial ones have to assist and facilitate our evolution. I'm not saying I believe they're a neccesity, but to a species suffering from such a sickening case of amnesia I think, contrarily, they can be precisely what we need.

I made a post in a dead thread now called 'addictions' where I spoke of two occasions in my life that changed me dramaticaly (both induced my drugs), and I'll cut and paste them here:



"I can single handedly pinpoint the greatest moment I've experienced in the illusion to the night of December 23rd, 2001, when (with only minimal past experience ingesting psychedelics before this), I took my first dose of LSD. It was seven hits of the cleanest acid I have yet to come across, and I did this completely alone in my bedroom, without a sitter. Now, from my present perspective, this was nothing short of insane, yet I've never regretted it. Because what happened to me that night could never be fully put into words. The runner-up for single-greatest-moment was one night after eating a large amount of psilocibin mushrooms, they made me violently ill. As I grew sicker and sicker, laying on the floor of my bedroom in a pool of my own bodily fluids, I experienced what I've heard described as 'ego-death'. I knew I was dying. And through this feeling of engulfing fear that (again, you truely have to experience to know what it's like), I completely separated from my body.

It should be known though that the fear I speak of isn't the conscious fear we experience in our daily 'lives', like being afraid to confront someone or asking a woman out, fearing rejection. The fear one experiences during a negative trip is such an undiluted form, it's as if your very sanity is being torn away from you. And in this state of misery that languge could never describe, as I prepared for death, something else happened. And again (I know I sound like a broken record), this is where the story ends, because I could spend the rest of my life at this keyboard and I'd never be able to really communicate what it was like.

Now these two events in my life, both induced by 'drugs', changed me in ways I could never ponder otherwise. What followed since those nights has been a quest for truth that took me everywhere from Islam to, inevitably I suppose, David Icke."




And there you have it. That's what drugs have done, for me. They woke me the fuck up. But you're all already awake, so the same couldn't be said for everyone reading this. I take drugs, and fairly regularly too. In fact, as I don't work tommorow, I'm probably going to eat some mushrooms tonight and watch 'Baraka' and 'What Dreams May Come', the two greatest movies ever made for my psychedelia. And as I watch them, I'm going to ponder the universe inside, because that's where the real movie will be playing from. The mushrooms aren't a neccesity. They're merely externalizing what's already there for me to find.
Excellent post. End of story, full stop. :)

[auron]

oh no its the drug thing.

i respect your viewpoint auron. gives a calm sensible approach to drug taking, its not a SOCIAL thing really. but can be, and usualy is. but mostly i find the real GEMS of drug taking to be the whole personal experience or "spiritual quest" it is sometimes called.

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im going to look up this ayahuasca, is it street legal? is it like salvia in anyway?
You can buy the ingredients for it legally and make it yourself. Availiable on various online stores.

Here's a good one:

http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/

I haven't taken it yet, I've only had mushrooms. I am going to Peru early next year to experience it.

You can read peoples reports here, who have taken it:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Ayahuasca.shtml

[lifeofbrian]

I find it kind of interesting you think the tribes of yesterday were 'addicted' to drugs, considering the only drug in existence back then that was considered addictive (by today's standards, at least) was opium. Even cocaine, in its natural form within the coca leaf, was considered a greater combater of fatigue then caffeine because it didn't affect the digestive system. I implore everyone to think of 'drugs' (don't even get me started on this mass-generalization most seem to subscribe to on the subject) in their natural state before 'science' came and tampered with them. The worst naturally occuring drug, opium, provided the people with a pain killer in the form of morphine (not heroin) that was smoked or eaten. It wasn't until 'science' came along and isolated the morphine alkaloid and refined it even further into heroin that things started to get ugly. This was coupled with the 'opium wars' which were nothing but a massive illuminati operation that flooded the world markets with so much of the drug, the habit of it wasn't reserved for a select few anymore. Opium dens popped up at the rate that crack houses did in the mid to late eighties. This is because what was done for opium hundreds of years ago has been done with cocaine and heroin in this century by the illuminati. Same techniques, different show. If you want to predate that, we have the miracle of the hypodermic needle that allowed the opium to be injected.

It amuses me you speak of native tribes 'addiction' to drugs as some sort of neccesity to spiritual enlightenment when the first recorded cases of any such 'addictions' with them didn't begin until the introduction of...drum roll please....alcohol. The 'fire water' (yes, they really called it that) was brought by the 'whites', along with small pox and genocide. And this is a topic I'm a bit impassioned about as I live in Manitoba, which has some of the highest populations of natives in all of North America, and all I have to do is step outside my front door to see this genocide happening even as I type this. I partook in a peyote ceromony this passed winter with Peruvian Torch cactus, and the Natives I spoke with there on the subject would probably have a great many things to say to you on this subject as well. They all did unanimously agree with my theory on the intervention of 'science' and drugs, however. But that doesn't go for all Natives, either. I've met more then my share of them who are dead-set against drugs in any form, even if their clan's shaman says differently.

I'm going to assume that anyone reading this isn't completely uneducated on the subject, so we can get passed this mass-generalisation that makes me laugh so hard. Marijuana is not the same as Cocaine. LSD is not the same as Marijuana. This goes on and on. Hell, even cocaine insufflated (snorted)is not the same as freebased crack cocaine. If you want to get really into it, Morphine is not the same as Heroin, even though the latter becomes the former immedietly upon entering your body. Every drug deserves its own library, and this attitude so many people seem to have that 'drugs are bad, so don't do drugs, m'kay?' is only destroying what potential the beneficial ones have to assist and facilitate our evolution. I'm not saying I believe they're a neccesity, but to a species suffering from such a sickening case of amnesia I think, contrarily, they can be precisely what we need.

I made a post in a dead thread now called 'addictions' where I spoke of two occasions in my life that changed me dramaticaly (both induced my drugs), and I'll cut and paste them here:



"I can single handedly pinpoint the greatest moment I've experienced in the illusion to the night of December 23rd, 2001, when (with only minimal past experience ingesting psychedelics before this), I took my first dose of LSD. It was seven hits of the cleanest acid I have yet to come across, and I did this completely alone in my bedroom, without a sitter. Now, from my present perspective, this was nothing short of insane, yet I've never regretted it. Because what happened to me that night could never be fully put into words. The runner-up for single-greatest-moment was one night after eating a large amount of psilocibin mushrooms, they made me violently ill. As I grew sicker and sicker, laying on the floor of my bedroom in a pool of my own bodily fluids, I experienced what I've heard described as 'ego-death'. I knew I was dying. And through this feeling of engulfing fear that (again, you truely have to experience to know what it's like), I completely separated from my body.

It should be known though that the fear I speak of isn't the conscious fear we experience in our daily 'lives', like being afraid to confront someone or asking a woman out, fearing rejection. The fear one experiences during a negative trip is such an undiluted form, it's as if your very sanity is being torn away from you. And in this state of misery that languge could never describe, as I prepared for death, something else happened. And again (I know I sound like a broken record), this is where the story ends, because I could spend the rest of my life at this keyboard and I'd never be able to really communicate what it was like.

Now these two events in my life, both induced by 'drugs', changed me in ways I could never ponder otherwise. What followed since those nights has been a quest for truth that took me everywhere from Islam to, inevitably I suppose, David Icke."




And there you have it. That's what drugs have done, for me. They woke me the fuck up. But you're all already awake, so the same couldn't be said for everyone reading this. I take drugs, and fairly regularly too. In fact, as I don't work tommorow, I'm probably going to eat some mushrooms tonight and watch 'Baraka' and 'What Dreams May Come', the two greatest movies ever made for my psychedelia. And as I watch them, I'm going to ponder the universe inside, because that's where the real movie will be playing from. The mushrooms aren't a neccesity. They're merely externalizing what's already there for me to find.

Hello, and wow. That was quite a lecture.

What I was referring to, was such a thing as a psychological addiction. Also known as attachments.

If you are so well versed in the mind of man and the spiritual aspect of the human experience and how easily we can fall into traps of the artificial kind leading people straight to hell - well, you ought to know the difference between drug-induced spirituality and the real deal.

Maybe you are just knowledgeable re: the biological and emotional side of it all.

[auron]

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[lifeofbrian]

Yes, auron.

Everything is a laughing matter.

Especially people ruining their brains and nervous systems.

Let's all laugh our heads off.

Soon they won't be needed anyway.

Life is a joke and death does not exist, said the stand-up comedian addict.

He's dead now. Surprise.

No drugs where he is. Just him, and whatever the drugs covered up.

Whatever he had to turn to drugs to avoid.

FFS, smell the coffee, folks.

[auron]

Let's all laugh our heads off.

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif

No drugs where he is.(How would you know?)

FFS, smell the coffee, folks.

http://grahamfurlong.typepad.com/work_hard_be_nice/images/coffee_morning.jpg

[lifeofbrian]

auron,

drugs are excuses for not having the balls to face reality.

That goes for tribal communities as well. They know the west have a romanticised idea about their life style. They also know they are in a cul-de-sac. Short cuts do not cut it in the long run.

[auron]

Life of Brian you are full of shit, and i couldn't care less what you think.

[lifeofbrian]

Life of Brian you are full of shit, and i couldn't care less what you think.

Take care.

[aelusis]

"drugs are excuses for not having the balls to face reality"

Ummm...yea. Ok. I rest my case.


"That goes for tribal communities as well. They know the west have a romanticised idea about their life style. They also know they are in a cul-de-sac. Short cuts do not cut it in the long run."

May I ask, a short cut to what? Enlightenment? Oneness? The Natives had this already, then white people came. Have you ever actually discussed these ideas with a Native? Or a 'Tribal Person', as you put it? Have you ever actually done a psychedelic drug?

I'm getting the impression my efforts are only gonna be wasted in this thread, so I'm gonna stop myself right now.

[soglad]

Yes, auron.

Everything is a laughing matter.

Especially people ruining their brains and nervous systems.

Let's all laugh our heads off.

Soon they won't be needed anyway.

Life is a joke and death does not exist, said the stand-up comedian addict.

He's dead now. Surprise.

No drugs where he is. Just him, and whatever the drugs covered up.

Whatever he had to turn to drugs to avoid.

FFS, smell the coffee, folks.

Part of my life today consists of no matter what comes across during my life, to be happy, positive and never get angry at people for what they do, hold no enemies and all that, but right now I'm going to throw that out the window.....

lifeofbrian, you are an ignorant, miserable, stuck-up, self-righteous fucking arsehole who thinks they hold all the answers. Get off this forum and take your fucked up attitude with you :mad:

[soglad]

auron,

drugs are excuses for not having the balls to face reality.

That goes for tribal communities as well. They know the west have a romanticised idea about their life style. They also know they are in a cul-de-sac. Short cuts do not cut it in the long run.

And what is your reality, you fucking moron?

[lifeofbrian]

And what is your reality, you fucking moron?

What do you mean precisely?

[soglad]

What do you mean precisely?

You said drugs are for people who can't face reality, you tell me what "reality" is, and what about it we can't face, please.

[lifeofbrian]

You said drugs are for people who can't face reality, you tell me what "reality" is, and what about it we can't face, please.

I would think you are in a better position to tell me why some people need drugs?

What for?

What is it about the un-drugged reality they find so plain and boring or impossible to relax within?

Spiritual insight can come to a person at 7am on a Wednesday. No drugs needed.

OBEs can allow a person to roam freely in all sorts of realms. Sober. Learning a lot.

So what is it with drugs that are so great?

You tell me?

Reality - in my understanding - is being as de-toxed as possible, and find that a brilliant state of being.

Like walking on air and tapping into joy constantly.

[soglad]

I would think you are in a better position to tell me why some people need drugs?

What for?

What is it about the un-drugged reality they find so plain and boring or impossible to relax within?

Spiritual insight can come to a person at 7am on a Wednesday. No drugs needed.

OBEs can provide a person to roam freely in all sorts of realms. Sober.

So what is it with drugs that are so great?

You tell me?

Sure, no problem. First of, I think you are under the impression that I am against sobriety, which I have NO idea where you got that from. I have only ever done mushrooms 3 times in my life and I don't smoke lots of cannabis, I can go months without either. I have even recently given up drinking. My whole life revolves around seeking bliss through sobriety, which I get.

Of course you can get amazing things through sobriety. I have felt them myself. All I am saying, is that for a person who has an extremely closed mind and have never even ventured into the realm of the self, psychoactive drugs can show them the path and do a lot of the hard work for them and forever through their life give them the road which to follow. It's up to the person in question which way they want to go about it.

[lifeofbrian]

Sure, no problem. First of, I think you are under the impression that I am against sobriety, which I have NO idea where you got that from. I have only ever done mushrooms 3 times in my life and I don't smoke lots of cannabis, I can go months without either. I have even recently given up drinking. My whole life revolves around seeking bliss through sobriety, which I get.

Of course you can get amazing things through sobriety. I have felt them myself. All I am saying, is that for a person who has an extremely closed mind and have never even ventured into the realm of the self, psychoactive drugs can show them the path and do a lot of the hard work for them and forever through their life give them the road which to follow. It's up to the person in question which way they want to go about it.


If I am under any impression, it would be that drugs are again being pushed as a gateway to spiritual enlightenment (thank you David ~ half heartedly said. Understandable though. Many promotors about.).

I personally know shamans in various cultures and have been let in on their 'dirty laundry' if you will. So I don't hold any uninformed opinions about natural hallucinogenics and the traditions surrounding them.

Western people, with respect for life, why would anyone of them force themselves to experience something that did not come to them without active ingestion of drugs/natural lifeforms which held a completely different kind of awareness and consciousness?

Tribes in a promarily hostile environment where reactions have to be instinctive adopt the consciousness of plants etc in order to orientate within their surroundings. A person in an urban milieu has no need for the same information. It would become distorted and related to whatever the taker presented as a platform for it to play out on.

Well. There is a lot to say on this matter but I appreciated your reply and will not speak any further on it. I respect the right to experiment that all people have and it is better to learn from experience.

Hope you are having a good night, soglad.