I want to quit my job :(

[unusual_suspect]

I want to quit my job, every morning my heart sinks and I think Ffs, what a load of toss! I feel like my soul and zest for life are being sucked out of me for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, I wish I had enough money to jack it in and start up my own business without the risk of losing my house etc. :(

However, I have a family and I am the only one earning at the moment, so I have to be responsible and earn some of the evil folding stuff.

I want to do artistic stuff and astrology readings.

I want to curl one out in to a tupperware box and send it to my boss with a message attached saying "the jobs shit and I'm giving you the sack :D

Any how, rant over, time to start work :)

[unusual_suspect]

OK, shameless bump here.

Has anyone else been in this situation without enough money behind them to just jack in the day job and the commitment of family etc and found a way of making a living, working for themselves doing something they actually enjoy? I would really value your advice. I would love to hear your story and what you did and how you did it and what the outcome is.

If you are just going to cuss me for working and being a sheeple and bang on about the evils of money and the system etc don't bother replying please, constructive and practical advice and replies only please (otherwise I shall have to put you over my knee and give your botty a good spanking :D).

[nesht]

Sorry to hear you're feeling like that; I would always say to follow your heart, but it is harder when you've got family to consider.

My suggestion would be to set up your artistic and astrological work alongside your current job and see what happens, in time you might be able to focus solely on your art work and readings.

Taking action often makes you feel better anyway, and at least you will be doing something positive. Hope it works out for you :)

[jolinemaria]

If you see no way of earning enough money with what you love to do most can you then not change to a job that does earn enough money, but that you like better than this one? Or work less hours on this job, so you can fill your leisure time with the things you love.
Another possibiliy is giving up resentment and accept what you're doing and at the same time look for other opportunities.

I used to work in IT and became totally stressed out and depleted of energy. I had to drag myself to work. So I might know a little bit how you are feeling.
I am glad my tormneting days are over.

Good luck!

[unusual_suspect]

Sorry to hear you're feeling like that; I would always say to follow your heart, but it is harder when you've got family to consider.

My suggestion would be to set up your artistic and astrological work alongside your current job and see what happens, in time you might be able to focus solely on your art work and readings.

Taking action often makes you feel better anyway, and at least you will be doing something positive. Hope it works out for you :)

I hear you man, but I have health problems at the moment, apart from literally being in tears every day from extreme pain when I am not being sucked dry from my job I have a demanding 10 year old who always requires something and a partner who also requires attention and I have stuff to do round the house. That's before I even get started on my sons bloody school who are always wanting us to attend or make sure my son can attend one thing or another.

I am lucky if I get an hour to myself during a typical week, and if I do I feel totally shafted, this is why I feel so trapped and cannot see a way out :(

edit>> Jolinemaria IT - yes, I content manage sites and do SEO and the like, it's a beautiful day and I am stuck in front of a PC! I can't afford to get a job with less hours, but thanks sweetie.

[wise haven]

Cheer up girl,

Gonna be a superb day just look at the sky :)

[_underscore_]

_underscore_ is married with a child and is also the primary bread winner of his family. Three years ago _underscore_ quit his job that he was sick and tired of showing up to everyday, and lived off of his IRA for a few months. _underscore_ eventually landed a job (taking a 20% pay cut) that is much less stressful, but basically the same occupation. Currently _underscore_ has been enrolled in a local technical school to learn drafting.

_underscore_'s advice to you would be to either learn a new trade, one that is less of a drain on your person as well as persue artistic stuff and cosmonautical readings. Don't sit at your job everyday and dream about something else, but get active and make your dream a reality.

[unusual_suspect]

Cheer up girl,

Gonna be a superb day just look at the sky :)

Hmmph, I'm stuck in front of my PC making loads of money for my fat wanker of a boss wasting my time with shite that I couldn't give a flying feck about.

I wish I could just tell him to shove it up his fat hairy A-hole :D

I'm going to start making a wicked poster later for my astrology readings when I finish and if my family ask me for anything I shall politely tell them to bugger off!

[steppewar]

OK, shameless bump here.

Has anyone else been in this situation without enough money behind them to just jack in the day job and the commitment of family etc and found a way of making a living, working for themselves doing something they actually enjoy? I would really value your advice. I would love to hear your story and what you did and how you did it and what the outcome is.

Iff you are just going to cuss me for working and being a sheeple and bang on about the evils of money and the system etc don't bother replying please, constructive and practical advice and replies only please (otherwise I shall have to put you over my knee and give your botty a good spanking :D).

If you live in the UK, you and your wife could both sack your jobs off. As you would not be able to pay your mortage, you could both go on the dole, get a free council house, child benefit and loads of other freebies.

I'm not taking the piss, I've lived off the state for the last 18 years and buzz of it. The job I had until 1991 caused me so much stress it nearly killed me.

No way I'm even going to consider ever working again unless I've got a loaded gun pointed to my head.

[wise haven]

LOL, I take it you don't like your boss.....

Go freelance - If you can do it for a boss, you can do it for yourself :p

[wise haven]

Iff you live in the UK, you and your wife could both sack your jobs off. As you would not be able to pay your mortage, you could both go on the dole, get a free council house, child benefit and loads of other freebies.

I'm not taking the piss, I've lived off the state for the last 18 years and buzz of it. The job I had until 1991 caused me so much stress it nearly killed me.

No way I'm even going to consider ever working again unless I've got a loaded gun pointed to my head.

I am inclined to agree Steppewar,

People forget that even if you are on benefits you still pay a wad of tax on everything you buy except most foods.

In fact you have a perfect symbiosis - you probably totally self fund yourself:)

The government gives with one hand and taketh away with the other............meanwhile providing thousands with jobs taking in taxes and redistributing in benefits...........

[tracker]

OK, shameless bump here.

Has anyone else been in this situation without enough money behind them to just jack in the day job and the commitment of family etc and found a way of making a living, working for themselves doing something they actually enjoy? I would really value your advice. I would love to hear your story and what you did and how you did it and what the outcome is.

If you are just going to cuss me for working and being a sheeple and bang on about the evils of money and the system etc don't bother replying please, constructive and practical advice and replies only please (otherwise I shall have to put you over my knee and give your botty a good spanking :D).

OK here is what You have that works against you .
YOU HOME !

From what I can tell , you really do need to get out of that job .
there are ways to do this , but unfortunately means more hard work ontop of the work you do already and looking after others .

What about a home course ?
you could try "book-keeping" or computer studdies .

Other ways to earn money are creating web sites for tarro readings and astrology readings , you could even go exclusive and make "personal" astrology readings where you might use their "NAME" date of birth and something that so far to date that I have not seen done yet ---- co-ordinates of where they were born ----------added into the readings , after all co-odinates have numbers , astrology uses numbers too . IT NEVER BEEN DONE YET !

The great thing about making web pages , offering services is this , it can be done for fun in your spare time ------------, sooner or later some one will ask for one because you are not trying to sell your services to every one , you are hitting a specific market , and folks are always interested in things like this .

sooner or later the market will pick up , its just that you need a "back up" plan if things go slow .
so advertising in the papers might also help .

you could make terro readings or astrology readings concerning something else no one so far has done .
Hauntings !
yep I said hauntings . all you need to do is to gather what time and what room these hauntings happen in , this way you would be able to gather data for an astrology reading of the haunting and then make some type of program for the person to try .

hows that !

If you think I am on the right track for you please repply to this .


:cool:

[nesht]

[QUOTE=unusual_suspect;1051609]I hear you man, but I have health problems at the moment, apart from literally being in tears every day from extreme pain when I am not being sucked dry from my job I have a demanding 10 year old who always requires something and a partner who also requires attention and I have stuff to do round the house. That's before I even get started on my sons bloody school who are always wanting us to attend or make sure my son can attend one thing or another.

I am lucky if I get an hour to myself during a typical week, and if I do I feel totally shafted, this is why I feel so trapped and cannot see a way out

Are you in the UK? I would think that it might be worth getting a sick note for a while from a gp, it sounds as if you are overstretched at the moment and could do with a break. Is there a way your partner could help you out a bit more?

I left work over about eighteen months ago, although my hubby is the main wage earner, we do manage financially, just do without a lot of the materailistic things people seem to have to have nowadays.

I realise that this is probably not an option for you, but there is always a way round things ;)

[unusual_suspect]

If you live in the UK, you and your wife could both sack your jobs off. As you would not be able to pay your mortage, you could both go on the dole, get a free council house, child benefit and loads of other freebies.

I'm not taking the piss, I've lived off the state for the last 18 years and buzz of it. The job I had until 1991 caused me so much stress it nearly killed me.

No way I'm even going to consider ever working again unless I've got a loaded gun pointed to my head.

I am the wife lol and I am seriously considering what you are saying. I, like you don't give a monkeys what others think, the problem is that I don't like taking money off anyone, not even the state.

LOL, I take it you don't like your boss.....

Go freelance - If you can do it for a boss, you can do it for yourself :p

I know, it's that cross over period, I need the time to do this, but I need to keep working in this job to because I need the money, mean whil I feel more and more depelted and drained this is the part I have the problem with.

I wouldn't like any boss I had, that's just me though.

[saab1981]

I totally identify with what you're going through right now, I'm in exactly the same boat, except I got 3 kids and am the sole bread winner! me and my partner decided it was best for her to stop working, as her pay was going on childcare anyway, like some snake eating itself! I would love one day to be my own boss and never have to answer to anyone again. I'd love to be a one-man gardening business in the long-run.

Good luck breaking free from 'the man.' :)

[tracker]

I am the wife lol and I am seriously considering what you are saying. I, like you don't give a monkeys what others think, the problem is that I don't like taking money off anyone, not even the state.



I know, it's that cross over period, I need the time to do this, but I need to keep working in this job to because I need the money, mean whil I feel more and more depelted and drained this is the part I have the problem with.

I wouldn't like any boss I had, that's just me though.

there is this plan .

take notice of what steppewar says , thats the dude who knows a lot about that stuff , and whilst your unemployed you could do my plan on my last post because you would have plenty of time on your hands to relax and to play .

problem is this .

would you be prepared to go through just a bit more stress for a while as you might loose your house etc , but steppewar is telling you some truths there .

[tracker]

Its all up to you .

you could accidently loose your job , late times , bit of cheek here and there , before you do visit the drs , tell them you are all stressed and cant sleep , it could be "the change" women go through , and oh deary me you lost your job .
then , as far as i know , the doll will pay ( only ) the interest on your house whilst a visit to the soliciters will take care of the mortgage side of things if you still wish to keep your house .
in the mean time with plenty of time on your hands

you could do my plan for which I have copied and pasted below .

What about a home course ?
you could try "book-keeping" or computer studdies .

Other ways to earn money are creating web sites for tarro readings and astrology readings , you could even go exclusive and make "personal" astrology readings where you might use their "NAME" date of birth and something that so far to date that I have not seen done yet ---- co-ordinates of where they were born ----------added into the readings , after all co-odinates have numbers , astrology uses numbers too . IT NEVER BEEN DONE YET !

The great thing about making web pages , offering services is this , it can be done for fun in your spare time ------------, sooner or later some one will ask for one because you are not trying to sell your services to every one , you are hitting a specific market , and folks are always interested in things like this .

sooner or later the market will pick up , its just that you need a "back up" plan if things go slow .
so advertising in the papers might also help .

you could make terro readings or astrology readings concerning something else no one so far has done .
Hauntings !
yep I said hauntings . all you need to do is to gather what time and what room these hauntings happen in , this way you would be able to gather data for an astrology reading of the haunting and then make some type of program for the person to try .

[raven200]

Hmmph, I'm stuck in front of my PC making loads of money for my fat wanker of a boss wasting my time with shite that I couldn't give a flying feck about.

I wish I could just tell him to shove it up his fat hairy A-hole :D

I'm going to start making a wicked poster later for my astrology readings when I finish and if my family ask me for anything I shall politely tell them to bugger off!

:( I feel for you, I truely do.

What I'm about to advise only works if you have the resiliance and the motivation and also if you are desperate.

Now someone already has told you to run a business on the side whilst your in your current job, but in reality that never works. Your too drained from your efforts at work to even contemplate anything else.

O.K. brief insight into what happened to me!

I was in a job for two years and in the second year something changed with my bosses behaviour. I was getting ridiculed in front of lower higherarchy staff and snide comments were made when ever given opportunity. I myself have never be-littled anyone but my boss made it his business to do this.

I was in a supervisory role and I strongly beleive I was being pushed towards constructive dismissal, something I did not take to court but decided to pack it in, and leave even though I had no other job.

I just went home and started using my sales skill to drum up my own work for something I enjoyed, which was web design.

I got enough work to keep me going for a whole month and in that month I got a call from a relative whos office desperately needed someone to provide I.T. and administrative support.

initially it was for two weeks and now 1 year gone and I have a very good contract still with the company to provide them the support. I'm earning a whole lot more and work for myself, it's a great feeling.

The real pain in the backside has been to do my own payroll and accounts initially, so I would advise to get in touch with accountant after 4 months of your business running and bringing in an income.

So moral of the story being sometimes it's just a good idea to pack it in, but don't do it if you dont have confidence in your own abilities and talent, otherwise you may make life hell for yourself.

Also always good to have a little money put away on the side as back up.

But follow your heart with a little bit of what your head says as well. :)

[unusual_suspect]

there is this plan .

take notice of what steppewar says , thats the dude who knows a lot about that stuff , and whilst your unemployed you could do my plan on my last post because you would have plenty of time on your hands to relax and to play .

problem is this .

would you be prepared to go through just a bit more stress for a while as you might loose your house etc , but steppewar is telling you some truths there .

Yes, this is very tempting, what is more some people I know will throw their hands up in horror at how irresponsible I am being, look down their noses at me and give me a hard time, I will find this highly amusing in my own twisted way :D

I need to think this through, but as you said, I have paid my taxes and NI!

Also, I should get my poster up and cards out and see if there is any response before I give up the day job, test the waters.

I have the perfect excuse for being signed up work - kidney disease.

[tracker]

quote from unusual suspect ( Yes, this is very tempting, what is more some people I know will throw their hands up in horror at how irresponsible I am being, look down their noses at me and give me a hard time, I will find this highly amusing in my own twisted way

I need to think this through, but as you said, I have paid my taxes and NI!

Also, I should get my poster up and cards out and see if there is any response before I give up the day job, test the waters.

I have the perfect excuse for being signed up work - kidney disease. )




TRACKER SAYS ,

fk every one else , they aint living your life !

too much stress isnt good for you , you werent born to serve them or a system you didnt create .

Its all up to you .

you could accidently loose your job , late times , bit of cheek here and there , before you do visit the drs , tell them you are all stressed and cant sleep , it could be "the change" women go through , and oh deary me you lost your job .
then , as far as i know , the doll will pay ( only ) the interest on your house whilst a visit to the soliciters will take care of the mortgage side of things if you still wish to keep your house .
in the mean time with plenty of time on your hands

you could do my plan for which I have copied and pasted below .

What about a home course ?
you could try "book-keeping" or computer studdies .

Other ways to earn money are creating web sites for tarro readings and astrology readings , you could even go exclusive and make "personal" astrology readings where you might use their "NAME" date of birth and something that so far to date that I have not seen done yet ---- co-ordinates of where they were born ----------added into the readings , after all co-odinates have numbers , astrology uses numbers too . IT NEVER BEEN DONE YET !

The great thing about making web pages , offering services is this , it can be done for fun in your spare time ------------, sooner or later some one will ask for one because you are not trying to sell your services to every one , you are hitting a specific market , and folks are always interested in things like this .

sooner or later the market will pick up , its just that you need a "back up" plan if things go slow .
so advertising in the papers might also help .

you could make terro readings or astrology readings concerning something else no one so far has done .
Hauntings !
yep I said hauntings . all you need to do is to gather what time and what room these hauntings happen in , this way you would be able to gather data for an astrology reading of the haunting and then make some type of program for the person to try .

[unusual_suspect]

read my post above this one just above yours .

its a good plan .

fk every one else , they aint living your life !

too much stress isnt good for you , you werent born to serve them or a system you didnt create .

check out my plan again , its above your one which is above this one .

Thanks man, and thanks everyone, I am going to have a think about this and discuss it with my significant other.

Raven200, good for you :)

[tracker]

READ MY IDEAS .

also read my last post on the last page at the bottom , its just before this one .:cool:

[astrochicken]

Same boat. Sole bread winner and two kids.


In an ideal world i'd be playing music all day.

After the days commitments, i get some time to myself around midnight to play music, thus, missing those few hours extra sleep, i'm allways knackered.

[unusual_suspect]

READ MY IDEAS .

also read my last post on the last page at the bottom , its just before this one .:cool:

Thanks Tracker, I have read them, and it's given me plenty to think about, hopefully ideas for other folk too :)

The idea is to do personalised horoscopes and illustrated mini hand made books of their chart interpretations, I think they would make really nice keepsakes for people getting married and having babies etc.

I also would really like to do art and web based projects with local schools and children. Actually give something of value to people rather than just milking money out of them.

Also, I am in to esoteric astrology and it is about the souls purpose and it can be used as a tool for healing, self discovery and transformation.

I can do web and IT stuff no probs. That's the annoying thing, I know I am talented and can do this all this stuff, I just have a massive mental blockage. I dunno, maybe I need to take a leap of faith.

[tracker]

lets say that you found various ways to loose your job .

ok the doll will have to pay for your keep and if you are on the right benifits they will pay off the interest on your house , but you will have to contact a soliciter to take care of the other payments on your house , like a 2 year delay or something whilse you are unemployed .
if you loose your house -----------------could you stand the presure of living in crap accomadation until you get a new council house ?
if you can thats ok.

after 6 months you will be entitled to any college course you choose all payed for , did you know that ?

any course .

during that time you could set up preps for internet and personal readings etc .


here is what happened to me many moons ago .

I moved down fro Manchester back to here down south to make a new start .

I lived with good old mum for nearly a year , it was about 7 months in when I found a job , it was crap / not me / and totally pissing me off .
about another 3 months in my mother got funny / ratty / kept picking on me , having a go for no reason , showing me up in front of guests .
in the end it was so stressful i nearly quit my job .
one day it got too much so i quit my job as it was a nightshift job .
my mothers response was to boot me out .

so there i was
no home
no money
no reliable family
no reliable friends
no decent cloths
no hope
no prospects .

it was the best move i made in my life and was the making of a whole new road that i had never walked down before and made me what i am today .

after a while i had a one roomed place .
after 6 months i joined college .
another 12 months went by and i passed my course exams , and even got a new council house to my self .
3 months later i started another course , the next level up .

from there my life changed for ever .

now

although i still have a council house
i have something that they cannot take from me

a career !

nothing can ever get as bad as it did back then because i have a fall back plan --------a career .

sometimes , we have to brave the storm .

its all up to you unusual suspect .

just remain focused .

:cool:

[tracker]

its not a leap of faith unusual suspect , its a leap of knowledge .

you have the knowledge as you have already admitted you have tallent , well hokey dokey then , so what are you afraid of ?

i will tell you .

its success .

yep people are trained in the mind through backward commands ( you know what real education is like ) to be afraid of success !
yep , we have many sayings
we can only try
if we fail atleast we tried
it cant hurt to try
we are only human

are all command structures for failure !
to try means not to acomplish but tried

and so on .

we are not afraid to fail as we live with it on the news and radio every day.

we are afraid of success , mainly because we believe that successful people are bad , and we asociate being bad with being successful .

you'll do just fine , the biggest step was waking up to just how much you hate your job and need something else .

thats the biggest step .
waking up to bad routines .

you know ?
after reading your last post it seems as though you have plenty of ideas and the charisma to get it to work



sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ?


what the bloody hell you doing hanging around then ----------------lol


:cool:

[jammasterj13]

unusual_suspect

I had the same do as you.

I worked in the shithole called London as an IT Consultant, earned lots, died everyday getting the tube with the rest of the rat race robots.

I have a girlfriend and a young daughter, but lucky for me my girlfriend works as well. I gave up the bullshit london lifestyle, moved back up North to Manchester and set up business me self. Did freelance IT Consultancy for a year and then moved onto what I'm doing now. I was lucky and eternally grateful that my girlfriend supported me financially and emotionally for 6 months while I got back on my feet, I was a stay at home dad for 6 months, it was the best 6 months of my life, I spent all my time with my daughter, took her to school every morning, flirted with the soccer moms :) picked her up from school, flirted withe soccer moms again.:D .
Did the cooking, cleaning and what not. I really really enjoy cleaning, weird I know. I also set about with my masterplan whilst the missus was carryin my sorry arse. The only thing I lost was my pride, but pride doesn't pay the bills.

What I'm sayin is these are the cards you've been dealt with and you have to make the most of them.
Maybe your husband could go out to work while you re-design your life. You could talk to him about it and come to some sort of compromise.

I wrote all my future goals down and made a plan of action which I followed till I got to where I am now.
I used Tony Buzan's mind mapping techniques makes it all a lot clearer and gets it all out of your mind into something tangible.
It's fuckin hard work but so is taking a shit when your constipated.

I read loads of psychology and philosophy books, Anthony Robbins stuff, NLP, Self Hypnosis, Meditation, Spirituality. Trained like a mother fucker everyday, got back into martial arts, which I used to do before London took over my life.

I aint religious but it does help to have faith in a higher power, sometimes talking it over with the big man with the plan upstairs really helps.
I ended up going to a catholic church during weekdays when it's dead quiet, St Benedicts, I used to sit their for about an hour havin a chit chat with the Boss(not Bruce Springsteen), it was always a one way converstation as it usually is. What I did get was a sense of peace and hope. I kid you not.

Please do not go down the road off living off the state, it's a vicious circle and it will sap all your motivation and hopes and dreams. You will turn into a zombie person. If you have any self respect you will persevere with your pain and turn it into gold. YOU CAN DO IT! THINK IT! PERCEIVE IT! BELIEVE IT!

Money is a necessity for everybody, it's a neutral energy which you can use to yours and others good or bad. But you need the mean green, it's a fact of life. You can't attract what you hate.

I may get slagged for this, but I like money a lot, it gives me a sense of freedom, it allows me to spoil my daughter and girlfriend and I can travel all over the world as much as I like, it's ma favourite thing in all the world seeing other countries and mixing with people(s) of different races, we are family.:)

When your feeling low thats when you need to act, read something positive, read Mandelas or Gandhis, or Martin Luther Kings biographies, they suffered worse things than us mere mortals but still achieved and persevered.

If all else fails you can always rob a bank.
There is always hope.:D

[unusual_suspect]

lets say that you found various ways to loose your job .

ok the doll will have to pay for your keep and if you are on the right benifits they will pay off the interest on your house , but you will have to contact a soliciter to take care of the other payments on your house , like a 2 year delay or something whilse you are unemployed .
if you loose your house -----------------could you stand the presure of living in crap accomadation until you get a new council house ?
if you can thats ok.

after 6 months you will be entitled to any college course you choose all payed for , did you know that ?

any course .

during that time you could set up preps for internet and personal readings etc .


here is what happened to me many moons ago .

I moved down fro Manchester back to here down south to make a new start .

I lived with good old mum for nearly a year , it was about 7 months in when I found a job , it was crap / not me / and totally pissing me off .
about another 3 months in my mother got funny / ratty / kept picking on me , having a go for no reason , showing me up in front of guests .
in the end it was so stressful i nearly quit my job .
one day it got too much so i quit my job as it was a nightshift job .
my mothers response was to boot me out .

so there i was
no home
no money
no reliable family
no reliable friends
no decent cloths
no hope
no prospects .

it was the best move i made in my life and was the making of a whole new road that i had never walked down before and made me what i am today .

after a while i had a one roomed place .
after 6 months i joined college .
another 12 months went by and i passed my course exams , and even got a new council house to my self .
3 months later i started another course , the next level up .

from there my life changed for ever .

now

although i still have a council house
i have something that they cannot take from me

a career !

nothing can ever get as bad as it did back then because i have a fall back plan --------a career .

sometimes , we have to brave the storm .

its all up to you unusual suspect .

just remain focused .

:cool:

Cheers Tracker :)

It sounds like it's a case of nothing ventured nothing gained. I don't have the option of going back to my folks, so I would be in the same situation as you were in, having to be independant and self sufficient.

I am already a fully qualified graphic designer with experience in this field and web design. People think this pays well, but it depends where you are, and I am underpaid for what I do and at the moment employers are taking the piss anyway because they know that there are not many jobs about.

I have been looking around and salaries for what I do at the moment have plummeted! Also, I only went in to graphic design because I didn't think I could make money being an illustrator, I actually wanted to do a degree in that.

I'm going to deffo start on my poster for my astro services - apparently i have an Egyptian spirit guide who works with me when I do my astrology according to a clairevoyant lady I saw recently :eek:

Family can be a real problem though, I love 'em, but they are so demanding! I'm just going to have to be a meanie and tell 'em to sod off this evening ;)

Thanks again Tracker, mr T always delivers with some good sensible advice :cool:

[tracker]

yeah what the other person say above yours here says .

you need to write down your plans and then write down plans of actions to acomplish them .

[cf24]

You'll always find a reason to stay in work, but maybe you could try and take a leap of faith.... You can claim benefits if you want, and get some cash in hand work when it suits. I did it 3 years ago, there's ups and downs for sure, but the liberation is amazing :D You just have to know you'll be ok, and you will be...

You can work on your tan too....

[tracker]

family can be our worst enemies at times .

families are like climbers all linked together by a cord climbing a rock face .

sometimes we have to stop being pulled and commanded by them , break free for a bit , climb our own way , sometimes its faster .

:cool:

[raven200]

One thing I have to say is that is you have got yourself in a state where you are ill, what you really need to do is to take time out before you do anything.

Get your partner to work to generate a bit of income while you get well, if he won't do it then don't be shy of getting benefits before you push all your energies into your business.

You need to have a clear mind and a rested body to start anything in a positive manner.

I also had got ill in my workplace that I left, which I have already mentioned. At one point I was pissing blood, luckily it was'nt too serious but I was getting infection due to my immune system weakening as mentally I was shattered.

So get yourself a good rest energise yourself, you deserve it and do what it takes to make it happen. :)

[unusual_suspect]

One thing I have to say is that is you have got yourself in a state where you are ill, what you really need to do is to take time out before you do anything.

Get your partner to work to generate a bit of income while you get well, if he won't do it then don't be shy of getting benefits before you push all your energies into your business.

You need to have a clear mind and a rested body to start anything in a positive manner.

I also had got ill in my workplace that I left, which I have already mentioned. At one point I was pissing blood, luckily it was'nt too serious but I was getting infection due to my immune system weakening as mentally I was shattered.

So get yourself a good rest energise yourself, you deserve it and do what it takes to make it happen. :)

I know what you are saying, I live in a rural area and there are not many jobs, he is trying to get his redundancy and is totally against me quitting my job.

I can relate to pissing blood, I could well do with 6 months off work to recover, that would be wicked! I had a stone filling my entire kidney and still have a chronic kidney infection and lots of scar tissue. I am still having treatment, the doctor keeps trying to sign me off.

[justnotsure]

Is it the job that stinks or your attitude to it that is wearing you down. From what I can see you need to be honest with yourself and get a plan.Yes you hate your job and your boss but is this helpful to you....from what you have said it is depleting your energy.Would it make a difference to your energy levels if you accepted that right here right now you need this job, you can be grateful to your boss for providing you with a job and be appreciative of that.You might find that at the end of the day you would have the energy and enthusiasm to start looking at that alternative career that you want.

I know it sounds harsh but being good to yourself means doing the things that get you what you want. Your boss may be a total tosser IN YOUR OPINION and the job may stink IN YOUR OPINION but is this attitude helping you? What until you are the boss and see how easy it is to run or manage a business - you might appreciate his position.when you get your business off the ground say you had someone working for you who thought you were a tosser etc what would your attitude be towards them? Is there anything at all you can appreciate about your current boss.........you are truly in control of your life by the attitude you take to it.

In summary, if you are being physically or mentally abused get out now - if not whilst you plan your freedom - look after yourself by not adding to your misery in any area of your life. Write down what it is that you do want - perhaps a fulfilling job where you work for yourself....what bit of that can you do right now - are there fulfilling parts of the job you have now that you are overlooking because you are angry and the situation you have found yourself in.

PS I have been in the same situation...and guess what I have ended up staying in the same job but being able to work from home a lot so less pressure same money and being more appreciative.


Sorry to sound so harsh when you are in a difficult place but lots of self pity will not help you here.Use that anger you have in a positive way in being determined to turn your life around.

I wish you every success, you sound a very talented person with a seed of a plan but bo time/energy to get it moving.

To build your strength apart from practical things you might like to use the following affirmations (Substitute universe if you don't feel comfortable with GOD)

I expect lavish abundance every day in every way in my life and affairs.

Nothing but good can come into my life, For God is in charge

[skunksmash]

why does your bloke not work..??



:)SK

[tracker]

yeah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thats true too .

you 1st need time out to recuperate .


also


whilst you are doing that you could do this .

Ok , for you unusual suspect I have put these together yet again , I keep finding my self doing this for folks on forum , i am sure you have got involved with some of them your self , as i recall , but please keep them .
a simple way is bring up your note pad on pc .
click the link , copy an dpaste every page onto note pad , when you have finished that , save the file , this is a good way to keep the file just incase the net goes down , atleast you will have it hard stroed .
do that to each link , this way it gives you the ability to read it when you please .

I think you might already know a lot of whats said on them , but as we all know , sometimes it makes a difference to hear these things from other people .

do not save the file , saving file only saves the link on the internet , copy and paste each page and save that instead .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67667&page=3

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

how our own philosophies hold us back , its a bit long but also worth the read .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


philosophies that can make us fail in things .it runs on the idea that we hold certian sayings in our mind and that those sayings are like backward programs that keep us in a ruck . It might not apply to you but it can open some unseen doors .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


how our own philosophies can hold us back .another thread like that .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414


a lot of truth in this thread too .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68841



some of these threads go to a page on that thread , you will have to go to the 1st page ojn that thread to see what its about though .
:cool:

[fairyelfdog]

I want to quit my job, every morning my heart sinks and I think Ffs, what a load of toss! I feel like my soul and zest for life are being sucked out of me for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, I wish I had enough money to jack it in and start up my own business without the risk of losing my house etc. :(

However, I have a family and I am the only one earning at the moment, so I have to be responsible and earn some of the evil folding stuff.

I want to do artistic stuff and astrology readings.

I want to curl one out in to a tupperware box and send it to my boss with a message attached saying "the jobs shit and I'm giving you the sack :D

Any how, rant over, time to start work :)

I've been having an idea that I want to start an online community specialised for people who want to quit their jobs. Do you think that could be fertile? There could be articles there that gives advice from people who have been through the same process and we could support eachother in various ways. (I haven't worked for years, by the way)

But really, Unusual, what I would advice is simple: JUST DO IT!

But what about your family? Yes? Your family suffers every day because you come home drained and unhappy with no energy to give the the attention they deserve. Also, by acting limited, you are transfering your limitations to your children. Consciousness will provide. You just have to trust it and let it happen! All those things that are telling you you can't is just a part of the program holding you prisoner. It really is that simple, even if much seems to be on stake. Make the jump. Love will catch you. You know I'm right.

Kara

[unusual_suspect]

Is it the job that stinks or your attitude to it that is wearing you down. From what I can see you need to be honest with yourself and get a plan.Yes you hate your job and your boss but is this helpful to you....from what you have said it is depleting your energy.Would it make a difference to your energy levels if you accepted that right here right now you need this job, you can be grateful to your boss for providing you with a job and be appreciative of that.You might find that at the end of the day you would have the energy and enthusiasm to start looking at that alternative career that you want.

I know it sounds harsh but being good to yourself means doing the things that get you what you want. Your boss may be a total tosser IN YOUR OPINION and the job may stink IN YOUR OPINION but is this attitude helping you? What until you are the boss and see how easy it is to run or manage a business - you might appreciate his position.when you get your business off the ground say you had someone working for you who thought you were a tosser etc what would your attitude be towards them? Is there anything at all you can appreciate about your current boss.........you are truly in control of your life by the attitude you take to it.

In summary, if you are being physically or mentally abused get out now - if not whilst you plan your freedom - look after yourself by not adding to your misery in any area of your life. Write down what it is that you do want - perhaps a fulfilling job where you work for yourself....what bit of that can you do right now - are there fulfilling parts of the job you have now that you are overlooking because you are angry and the situation you have found yourself in.

PS I have been in the same situation...and guess what I have ended up staying in the same job but being able to work from home a lot so less pressure same money and being more appreciative.


Sorry to sound so harsh when you are in a difficult place but lots of self pity will not help you here.Use that anger you have in a positive way in being determined to turn your life around.

I actually agree with you, I just don't think I will be happy till I am self employed, I already work from home, people think I am lucky!

I just hate the job and I think I am actually too ill to be working at the moment and have been for the last 6 months or so.

[raven200]

I know what you are saying, I live in a rural area and there are not many jobs, he is trying to get his redundancy and is totally against me quitting my job.

I can relate to pissing blood, I could well do with 6 month off work to recover, that would be wicked!

I asked my parents for some support in order to take some pressure off me, and my dad was like what the hell you think your doing.

Don't leave your job apply for another job or get another job before you even think about leaving.

I asked if he could lend me a bit of money while I get my act togather for my business, again that was a big no no even though I knew he could if he wanted.

So I left my job anyway because I was loosing my mind.

I'm not saying you do the same, but it's important people realise who are close to the one who is cornered that they give them some positive support. Even by saying things like "I'm always with you and will support your decision" makes a huge difference, give you that extra confidence that you have someone behind you.

A few words of support are always remembered and maybe give someone an extra boost to keep on going until things turn around.

Very important to point that out to loved ones.

[tracker]

Is it the job that stinks or your attitude to it that is wearing you down. From what I can see you need to be honest with yourself and get a plan.Yes you hate your job and your boss but is this helpful to you....from what you have said it is depleting your energy.Would it make a difference to your energy levels if you accepted that right here right now you need this job, you can be grateful to your boss for providing you with a job and be appreciative of that.You might find that at the end of the day you would have the energy and enthusiasm to start looking at that alternative career that you want.

I know it sounds harsh but being good to yourself means doing the things that get you what you want. Your boss may be a total tosser IN YOUR OPINION and the job may stink IN YOUR OPINION but is this attitude helping you? What until you are the boss and see how easy it is to run or manage a business - you might appreciate his position.when you get your business off the ground say you had someone working for you who thought you were a tosser etc what would your attitude be towards them? Is there anything at all you can appreciate about your current boss.........you are truly in control of your life by the attitude you take to it.



well , doing things with out thinking about them can trash ones life yes , but their attitude is not whats to blame here .
if one isnt pleased with their job , then its time to change that job .

its that that unusual suspect will have to draw up plans of actions .
yes holding the job for a bit will help , but telling someone to apreciate their boss because they should be greatfull that the boss provides them with a job really is dr speeking crap in my eyes .

maybe the employer should be greatfull that he has a hard working , give it all for -----------------person who works for crap wages , bad dattitudes
in return , all for the sake of money .

it works both ways , after all , lets face it , ok unusual sus[pect does have a job with them , but as we all know , the only winner is always the boss as he earns shit loads profit from it .
now ????????????? if the boss wasnt getting profit and did this for a favour -------then unusual suspect should be greatfull ------otherwise , you dont sound harsh ------------just full of rubbish , thats all .
but you are entitled to your opinion and yes in there was some sense , unusual suspect should think carefully whilst staying there for a while and draw up plans of actions , get info on beinifits etc , info on other stuff before the move is made .

otherwise , this all sounds too ------------big brother to me .

the rest of what you said sounds good .

:cool:

[fairyelfdog]

I asked my parents for some support in order to take some pressure off me, and my dad was like what the hell you think your doing.

Don't leave your job apply for another job or get another job before you even think about leaving.

I asked if he could lend me a bit of money while I get my act togather for my business, again that was a big no no even though I knew he could if he wanted.

So I left my job anyway because I was loosing my mind.

I'm not saying you do the same, but it's important people realise who are close to the one who is cornered that they give them some positive support. Even by saying things like "I'm always with you and will support your decision" makes a huge difference, give you that extra confidence that you have someone behind you.

A few words of support are always remembered and maybe give someone an extra boost to keep on going until things turn around.

Very important to point that out to loved ones.

Hi Raven! So you left your job. (Well done!) How did you survive financially? :) *trying to prove a point*

[tracker]

I actually agree with you, I just don't think I will be happy till I am self employed, I already work from home, people think I am lucky!

I just hate the job and I think I am actually too ill to be working at the moment and have been for the last 6 months or so.

give your self a break !
if you dont


there might not be any----------unusual suspect to do anything .

take time off !

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

I've been having an idea that I want to start an online community specialised for people who want to quit their jobs. Do you think that could be fertile? There could be articles there that gives advice from people who have been through the same process and we could support eachother in various ways. (I haven't worked for years, by the way)

But really, Unusual, what I would advice is simple: JUST DO IT!

But what about your family? Yes? Your family suffers every day because you come home drained and unhappy with no energy to give the the attention they deserve. Also, by acting limited, you are transfering your limitations to your children. Consciousness will provide. You just have to trust it and let it happen! All those things that are telling you you can't is just a part of the program holding you prisoner. It really is that simple, even if much seems to be on stake. Make the jump. Love will catch you. You know I'm right.

Kara

I have been thinking along these lines also, PM me ;)

[unusual_suspect]

give your self a break !
if you dont


there might not be any----------unusual suspect to do anything .

take time off !

:cool:

I know, I feel like I'm about to drop down exhausted and totally f**ked.

[justnotsure]

Are you my hubbie - he is feeling just like this at the moment!!!!

I agree you probably won't be happy until you are self employed. He won't either.

On a practical note (if you have a mortgage) we got an interest only off set mortgage so that we pay off the capital when we can - it reduces the mortgage payments. He set up a consultancy whilst he was working and then went down to a 4 day week and now to a 3 day week. Now he wants to ditch the day job in London. The money that he earned from his consultancy we used to pay down the mortgage and did not really spend it. One big word of warning he had a big heath scare last year because he was working too hard so really he probably should have given up day job last year.

Hope some of that is helpful.

I have just read your other post - please put yourself and your health first. Having a good old rant here helps!!!

[unusual_suspect]

Are you my hubbie - he is feeling just like this at the moment!!!!

I agree you probably won't be happy until you are self employed. He won't either.

On a practical note (if you have a mortgage) we got an interest only off set mortgage so that we pay off the capital when we can - it reduces the mortgage payments. He set up a consultancy whilst he was working and then went down to a 4 day week and now to a 3 day week. Now he wants to ditch the day job in London. The money that he earned from his consultancy we used to pay down the mortgage and did not really spend it. One big word of warning he had a big heath scare last year because he was working too hard so really he probably should have given up day job last year.

Hope some of that is helpful.

Cheers :) Not your hubbie, I promise. I had better crack on otherwise I actually might end up without a job lol. Laters :cool:

[glacidtek]

I am almost at the end of my teather with work aswell.

hope you get it sorted out and have some peace of mind.
x

[tracker]

I know, I feel like I'm about to drop down exhausted and totally f**ked.


you need to quit NOW if thats your stance on things .

I know you have priorities , children , mortgage , but really

could being temporay homeless and out of money really be that bad ?

you have knowledge / love for children / an inventive mind .

the dark road ahead always ends ! there is always routes away from that road if we understand that its just a proccess of TIME , thats all .

if you mean that ----------you feel fked , and its true , and your health is on the line :eek:

maybe you are trying to tell your self something here .

dont take my word for it


take your own !

:cool:

[tyler]

jammaster and justnot sure are both onnthe right track.

Going on the dole is not liberating. Not an option.

Sort your health out first. Investigate healing of your kidneys on the net. Why are you unhealthy? What are you doing that is causing this.

Slow down. Pray. Ask the force everyday to guide you and to provide somebody you can help. Do a good deed for somebody everyday without them know or at least without telling somebody else. Thank God you actually have a job. Be grateful. Write out a gratitude list of all the things in your life that you have. A child, a partner.
Accept your boss is just lost, like most other sheep. Pray for him. Wish him well. Wish your work colleagues well. Smile at your computer!

Start doing what you love in your spare time in addition to all of the above. Imagine every day that you are getting more and more of this kind of work. Visualise it. Read self help books like Louise Hay or the Power of the Mind by Al Koran.
Contact others by the net about doing what you love. Start doing it now.

Thank God for the rural surroundings you live in. many of us arestuck in big cities and would love to live where you are.

Excercise and change your diet. Stop drinking Diet Coke!

[fairyelfdog]

you need to quit NOW if thats your stance on things .

I know you have priorities , children , mortgage , but really

could being temporay homeless and out of money really be that bad ?

you have knowledge / love for children / an inventive mind .

the dark road ahead always ends ! there is always routes away from that road if we understand that its just a proccess of TIME , thats all .

if you mean that ----------you feel fked , and its true , and your health is on the line :eek:

maybe you are trying to tell your self something here .

dont take my word for it


take your own !

:cool:

Hear hear! Well put, tracker :)

[raven200]

Hi Raven! So you left your job. (Well done!) How did you survive financially? :) *trying to prove a point*

Good question,

well before I left my job I had acquired one good client who was paying me good money for his website. I found I could only have one client while I was in full time employment. It was not as much as my day job but the money was sufficient to keep me going for one month when I left my job.

I lived quite meagerly in that month literally was at home all month calling companies and building up business and putting the word out fo what my business was. Due to that my cousin rang me when the company he worked for needed someone, and it all went uphill from there.

So you have to be prepared to live on a tiny budget when you start off on your own.

If you have a family it is even more difficult and in that case always useful for maybe the other partner to get job seekers allowance or maybe full benefit, will help a huge amount.

I did not have that luxury though.

[skunksmash]

i went ''self employed'' 8 years ago, & ive never looked back.....

there are times when we struggle though, it can be quite hard when work gets very sporadic (like now) :eek:

sometimes i may not get a job come up for 2 weeks & then i will have 6 come in at once...

but the ''pros'' certainly outweigh the ''cons''

i couldn't work for a company direct anymore, being on the ''9 to 5'' clock would kill me, as it stands now i start at 8 & finish when i deem fit, take breaks when i deem fit, i take days out when i deem fit, i have no idiot in a suit telling me to speed up or whatever...

but i get no holiday pay, no sick pay, & the weekends are unfortunately just as workable as the weekdays....


its a scary move, but after you do it & your passed to initial panic, you'll be so glad.....:D:D

good luck.....



:)SK

[cafetimes1991]

every morning my heart sinks and I think Ffs, what a load of toss! I feel like my soul and zest for life are being sucked out of me for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, I wish I had enough money to jack it in and start up my own business without the risk of losing my house etc. :(

I feel like that every morning before school as well. Then they torture us with homework.
Sorry to hear about your unfortunate situation, unusual_suspect.

[tracker]

you need to quit NOW if thats your stance on things .

I know you have priorities , children , mortgage , but really

could being temporay homeless and out of money really be that bad ?

you have knowledge / love for children / an inventive mind .

the dark road ahead always ends ! there is always routes away from that road if we understand that its just a proccess of TIME , thats all .

if you mean that ----------you feel fked , and its true , and your health is on the line :eek:

maybe you are trying to tell your self something here .

dont take my word for it


take your own !

:cool:


the quote just above this sentance shows what you are saying and that you know all along .
this stress will not make you better and could be hampering your recovery so much .

a few days figuring out what to do , then



JUST DO IT !

your 1st worry will be food , never mind , you will find a way .
the second will be your home ---------yeah well fk that , get ya old man to work or -----------------sodd it , find a one roomed bed sit for a while and the council willhave to rehouse you but you must find info on this !

what you might get back from the house if it is reposessed and sold ------------spend some and put some away , hide some of it , trickle it slowly , so that its not obviouse .
dss might want some proof of spending , but you cant account for all of it , so trickle some away .

if you are telling us that you are fked , its about time you understood your body and mind are trying to tell you something here .

however


its up to you , we cant tell you what to do .

if ( and only if ) it seems like a bad move --------that will only be temporry thingas you have said
you have qualifications , an inventive mind , and besides , its what you want to do .

its really your move .not ours .

:cool:

[tracker]

i went ''self employed'' 8 years ago, & ive never looked back.....

there are times when we struggle though, it can be quite hard when work gets very sporadic (like now) :eek:

sometimes i may not get a job come up for 2 weeks & then i will have 6 come in at once...

but the ''pros'' certainly outweigh the ''cons''

i couldn't work for a company direct anymore, being on the ''9 to 5'' clock would kill me, as it stands now i start at 8 & finish when i deem fit, take breaks when i deem fit, i take days out when i deem fit, i have no idiot in a suit telling me to speed up or whatever...

but i get no holiday pay, no sick pay, & the weekends are unfortunately just as workable as the weekdays....


its a scary move, but after you do it & your passed to initial panic, you'll be so glad.....:D:D

good luck.....



:)SK


self employement liberated me too .

:cool:

[skunksmash]

self employement liberated me too .

:cool:

its also great if you have kids....b/c you can plan things around them & not be hampered by ''oooh, is my boss gonna get arsey if i say i want more time off''


you'll then have as much time as you want or can afford to have......



:)SK

[tracker]

going self employed will automaticly allow you for child tax credits and working tax credits straight away .

tell them that you estimate only £1000 for the 1st two years otherwise they will cut the [payments .

you will be entitled to something like about £70 per week , and thats working tax credits not child tax credits which is nearly the same amount , also

you will be entitled too

council tax benifits of types based on your earnings
and maybe some other benifits

all whilst you sit back doing what you enjoy .

look it up and do research on it .

going self emploeyed and getting working tax credits liberated me .

ok sometimes they over pay but hay ------------phone up and check .

you will be entitled to working tax creditds and child tax credits striaght away if i am not wrong , but hay -------------check out the rules 1st


you have so much freedom waiting ahead of you .

you might even kick your self some day and think


why didnt i do this a long time ago ?

anything that you put towards your business is deductable off your payments for taxes of what you earned .

all you have to do is

think carefully where and how you put any earnings on , and -------------if you dont pay your self , you dont pay more taxes , all you have to do is put it in the company ,

its all up to you , you have to read what you can and cant do , how much you need to live on etc , but you will make it happen , easily .

whats more --------- if you did pay taxes and didnt earn over say 4 grand , they pay it back to you depending on your tax code .

its all really actually quite easy when you start to get your feet on the ground .

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

jammaster and justnot sure are both onnthe right track.

Going on the dole is not liberating. Not an option.

Sort your health out first. Investigate healing of your kidneys on the net. Why are you unhealthy? What are you doing that is causing this.

Slow down. Pray. Ask the force everyday to guide you and to provide somebody you can help. Do a good deed for somebody everyday without them know or at least without telling somebody else. Thank God you actually have a job. Be grateful. Write out a gratitude list of all the things in your life that you have. A child, a partner.
Accept your boss is just lost, like most other sheep. Pray for him. Wish him well. Wish your work colleagues well. Smile at your computer!

Start doing what you love in your spare time in addition to all of the above. Imagine every day that you are getting more and more of this kind of work. Visualise it. Read self help books like Louise Hay or the Power of the Mind by Al Koran.
Contact others by the net about doing what you love. Start doing it now.

Thank God for the rural surroundings you live in. many of us arestuck in big cities and would love to live where you are.

Excercise and change your diet. Stop drinking Diet Coke!

Hi, thanks for the advice, I don't want to go on benefits if I can help it.

I know what my kidney problemsare and why they have happened, I have become alot more health concious.

I kicked aspartame a long time ago ;)

you need to quit NOW if thats your stance on things .

I know you have priorities , children , mortgage , but really

could being temporay homeless and out of money really be that bad ?

you have knowledge / love for children / an inventive mind .

the dark road ahead always ends ! there is always routes away from that road if we understand that its just a proccess of TIME , thats all .

if you mean that ----------you feel fked , and its true , and your health is on the line :eek:

maybe you are trying to tell your self something here .

dont take my word for it


take your own !

:cool:

I know, I don't think anyone close understands how fucked I am, people don't seem to get it.

I am going to make a plan and take action, I'm a stubborn git so I'm sure that will stand me in good stead!

[farros]

over the last 7 years since leaving college ive had around 20 jobs...

Now im over 25 and living alone i cant get the council to pay my rent and live off dole money.

Fuck going back to work, for exactly the reasons the OP is describing... Why do a shit job all day, working with morons 90% of the time and come home and be too tired to do the things you really want to do?

[tracker]

going self employed will automaticly allow you for child tax credits and working tax credits straight away .

tell them that you estimate only £1000 for the 1st two years otherwise they will cut the [payments .

you will be entitled to something like about £70 per week , and thats working tax credits not child tax credits which is nearly the same amount , also

you will be entitled too

council tax benifits of types based on your earnings
and maybe some other benifits

all whilst you sit back doing what you enjoy .

look it up and do research on it .

going self emploeyed and getting working tax credits liberated me .

ok sometimes they over pay but hay ------------phone up and check .

you will be entitled to working tax creditds and child tax credits striaght away if i am not wrong , but hay -------------check out the rules 1st


you have so much freedom waiting ahead of you .

you might even kick your self some day and think


why didnt i do this a long time ago ?

anything that you put towards your business is deductable off your payments for taxes of what you earned .

all you have to do is

think carefully where and how you put any earnings on , and -------------if you dont pay your self , you dont pay more taxes , all you have to do is put it in the company ,

its all up to you , you have to read what you can and cant do , how much you need to live on etc , but you will make it happen , easily .

whats more --------- if you did pay taxes and didnt earn over say 4 grand , they pay it back to you depending on your tax code .

its all really actually quite easy when you start to get your feet on the ground .

:cool:

read my quote above this sentance and also


you can put all your money you earn in your bussiness thus making payments of taxes less , and

pay your mortgage off with child taxcredits and working tax credits .

the answers are there for you , do research -----------today !

i now feel quite happy for you ---------------sod the benifits its a lot of hassle but is a last resort

do self employement !

it might help to save up some little cash before hand because tax credits might take a few eeks to get going , otherwise , you'll do fine !

you get up when you want / how you want , if you want !

also you get a garenteed payment of child tax and working tax credits .

do research today !

make that 1st move , do reasearch and save a little cash to get you though until you get payed .

child tax credits
working tax credits
council tax rebates
all garrenteed !

just say for the 1st 2 years that you will get about £100 , but after 2 years maybe more

it sounds that way as though yuo have a business idea that is good .

you will have to do research .

[tracker]

A new pc every 2 years or so is deductable from your earnings .
programs
paper
pens
file cabinets maybe
a new suit to create seminars maybe deductable from earnings but needs to be researched .
other astrology equipent is deductable because you need it to do the job more efficiently .

all equipment is deductable from your net earnings , thus allowing for more freedom , and payments of taxes on gross earnings far less .

its all there unusual suspect

just waiting for you to grab , but you must research and save a small amount to get you through , maybe 6 weeks worth of

food
mortgage
council tax
electricity
gas
water
etc

otherwise

go for it !

fk the doll , go self employed .

:cool:

hhhhhhhhhm ?:rolleyes: its monday 10am ?:rolleyes: shall i get up today ?:rolleyes:

hhhm , maybe tommorrow , when I my self the boss of unusual suspect astrology ( not ltd by the way coz more taxes ) feels more relaxed and in tune to do so .

:D

[unusual_suspect]

A new pc every 2 years or so is deductable from your earnings .
programs
paper
pens
file cabinets maybe
a new suit to create seminars maybe deductable from earnings but needs to be researched .
other astrology equipent is deductable because you need it to do the job more efficiently .

all equipment is deductable from your net earnings , thus allowing for more freedom , and payments of taxes on gross earnings far less .

its all there unusual suspect

just waiting for you to grab , but you must research and save a small amount to get you through , maybe 6 weeks worth of

food
mortgage
council tax
electricity
gas
water
etc

otherwise

go for it !

fk the doll , go self employed .

:cool:

hhhhhhhhhm ?:rolleyes: its monday 10am ?:rolleyes: shall i get up today ?:rolleyes:

hhhm , maybe tommorrow , when I my self the boss of unusual suspect astrology ( not ltd by the way coz more taxes ) feels more relaxed and in tune to do so .

:D

Thanks, I have copied all of this advice in to a word doc.

I don't feel confident that I have enough saved up yet, I only have 5 grand so far, but this is my plan to have some sort of money behind me.

I am by nature a cautious person who has to think things through from all angles. I have Saturn Conjunct with my Ascendant so I might as well be a Capricorn lol - astrology talk.

I am reaching a critical mass where something has to give. I can feel it bubbling up and it is about to explode! Thanks for all the great advice in this thread!

If anyone reading this wants astro advice - for free, PM me ;):cool::D

[tracker]

be careful !

do not claim that you started your business with that 5k as it will be taxable under some type of collataral tax .

keep it , take it out of the bank , keep the bank statements clear of any moneys for a while

use your earnings from self employement to start the business as it is deductable from net earnings , just keep the reciepts !

think carefully , any thing you need from business , take it from the gross earnings and not your kitty , thats private , and needs to stay out of sght from TPTB who always rob us .

keep that 5k for an emergency to pay morgage when the tax credits are being proccessed etc .

just think beyond the program , keep the kitty away , take it out of the bank now !
keep it safe , hide it .

you need a clean account with jack in it for a while to prove it was gone long ago .

dont use it for business just yet if you feel that way inclined .

:cool:

[brainfreeze]

If you're under 30 and looking to start your own business you can apply for a small business start up loan of up to £5000 from the Prince Charles fund, they also provide advice and guidence. All you need is a good idea and a basic business plan :)

[tracker]

good advice but







I would advice "dont take loans ever" !

if you cant pay it back you'll have that and your mortgage to pay .

you can pay your mortgage with child tax and working tax credits .
even if food and electric with gas is hard to pay for

atleast you dont loose your home .
i advise dont get loans but atleast some one else has given you some more info to help you here , it doesnt mean its bad advice , its just an alternate advise .

the more advice you get the better .

especially if one is going into this area .:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

be careful !

do not calim that you started your business with that 5k as it will be taxable under some type of collataral tax .

keep it , take it out of the bank , keep the bank statements clear of any moneys for a while

use your earnings from self employement to start the business as it is deductable from net earnings , just keep the reciepts !

think carefully , any thing you need from business , take it from the gross earnings and not your kitty , thats private , and needs to stay out of sght from TPTB who always rob us .

keep that 5k for an emergency to pay morgage when the tax credits are being proccessed etc .

just think beyond the program , keep the kitty away , take it out of the bank now !
keep it safe , hide it .

you need a clean account with jack in it for a while to prove it was gone long ago .

dont use it for business just yet if you feel that way inclined .

:cool:

Yes, I have been wondering about this. Any pointers to how to do this, I know the little feckers love to rob you blind of everything you have worked your arse off for.

Do you think I should give it to people to look after and wait 6 months? Maybe in my son's account?

I suppose I could take most of it out and hide it?

What do you reckon?

[unusual_suspect]

If you're under 30 and looking to start your own business you can apply for a small business start up loan of up to £5000 from the Prince Charles fund, they also provide advice and guidence. All you need is a good idea and a basic business plan :)

Missed that by 2 years ;)

[tothestars]

Perhaps the kidney disease and your hate to your work/boss are linked?

You just need to have faith in life and yourself. FFS Quit the job,recover and move into your new life! IT IS WAITING THERE FOR YOU!




Good luck :)

[tracker]

Perhaps the kidney disease and your hate to your work/boss are linked?

You just need to have faith in life and yourself. FFS Quit the job,recover and move into your new life! IT IS WAITING THERE FOR YOU!




Good luck :)

cool .

:cool:

[tracker]

Yes, I have been wondering about this. Any pointers to how to do this, I know the little feckers love to rob you blind of everything you have worked your arse off for.

Do you think I should give it to people to look after and wait 6 months? Maybe in my son's account?

I suppose I could take most of it out and hide it?

What do you reckon?


no not your sons acount , if he is under 18 you are by law the one to pay taxes on any interest put on it .

place it under the floor boards .
put it under the lagging in your attick .
put it uner your floor boards , which is under the carpet , under your cupboard , at the end of the room where other furniture is in the way

do anything but dont put it in any persons acount !

not even family , its all open for big brother to find out .

place it somewhere where only you know about .

that way peoples cards cant be nicked ! and then robbed from acounts , come on unusual suspect , youve got to do better than that .

hide it well and properly , in such a strange place , no one , not even a pro theif would look there .

undernieth kick boards at the back undernieth a kitchen unit covered in dirt , anything , but never some one elses acount !and not where it can get wet .

:cool:

[jonny78]

Right now I work at some corporate pit. I don't hate it to the degree you seem to, but it's not what I want to do for the rest of my life. I just know how to tune it out.

Nonetheless, I know what it's like to have something else you'd rather be doing. In my case, I draw. I do commission work, and I also do comic strips. Right now I do my art on the side, sometimes I even have free time to do them at work (which helps make work more tolerable to be sure). I wouldn't mind doing it full time eventually.

So don't wait, start getting it off the ground, start doing something on the side. If you have free time at your job to where you can bring it with you to work on then do it. Might help make the place more bearable.

[unusual_suspect]

Perhaps the kidney disease and your hate to your work/boss are linked?

You just need to have faith in life and yourself. FFS Quit the job,recover and move into your new life! IT IS WAITING THERE FOR YOU!




Good luck :)

I know what you are saying, it was caused by a huge stone that filled my kidney causing causing a chronic kidney infection. They reckon I had it for years before I noticed anything was wrong.

Funnily enough a healer told me it was due to not expelling toxic emotions and the like.

I have a plan and I am working towards it, thanks.

[brainfreeze]

no not your sons acount , if he is under 18 you are by law the one to pay taxes on any interest put on it .

place it under the floor boards .
put it under the lagging in your attick .
put it uner your floor boards , which is under the carpet , under your cupboard , at the end of the room where other furniture is in the way

do anything but dont put it in any persons acount !

not even family , its all open for big brother to find out .

place it somewhere where only you know about .

that way peoples cards cant be nicked ! and then robbed from acounts , come on unusual suspect , youve got to do better than that .

hide it well and properly , in such a strange place , no one , not even a pro theif would look there .

undernieth kick boards at the back undernieth a kitchen unit covered in dirt , anything , but never some one elses acount !and not where it can get wet .

:cool:

Hide it in the hem of the curtains, then send me a pm with your address :p ;) :D

[tracker]

Hide it in the hem of the curtains, then send me a pm with your address :p ;) :D


lmao :D

[unusual_suspect]

Hide it in the hem of the curtains, then send me a pm with your address :p ;) :D
:D

[tracker]

Hide it in the hem of the curtains, then send me a pm with your address :p ;) :D


yeah that was funny :D yet on the base of your other post , so many people dont know just how easy freedom is to obtain .:rolleyes:

fear is our greatest enemy .;)

there is so much support if we care to seek for it , and its all out there for us to use .

:cool:

[tracker]

just for the record , people dont realise just how valuable drinking clear water is .

tea ?
coffee ?

our kidneys and or liver both need clear water to work and function better .

I know people who say "i drink2 letres of fluids every day"

they then admit that it is tea or coffee , which isnt actually clear water , imagine just how much cleaning that has to be done to coffee or tea just to use the water in it .

its a no brainer really .

2 litres of clear water , might help your recovery unusual suspect .
clear water , sounds easy , but look at tea and coffee just how mirky and unclear it is .
it needs cleaning out before the water in it can be used thus in affect , can slowly dehidrate ones body , not good for liver or kidney failure .

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

just for the record , people dont realise just how valuable drinking clear water is .

tea ?
coffee ?

our kidneys and or liver both need clear water to work and function better .

I know people who say "i drink2 letres of fluids every day"

they then admit that it is tea or coffee , which isnt actually clear water , imagine just how much cleaning that has to be done to coffee or tea just to use the water in it .

its a no brainer really .

2 litres of clear water , might help your recovery unusual suspect .
clear water , sounds easy , but look at tea and coffee just how mirky and unclear it is .
it needs cleaning out before the water in it can be used thus in affect , can slowly dehidrate ones body , not good for liver or kidney failure .

:cool:

I have been advised to drink 4 litres of water per day at the moment, which is what I have been doing, my kidney has not failed, but it is damaged and I still have a foreign body and infection.

I have been paying very close attention to my health. I think I am getting stressed as obviously my boss is concerned with how I can make him money, not whether I am ok.

As I said before I shouldn't be working a 40 hour week at the moment, my doctor also keeps telling me that, I don't have the option of cutting my hours and I already took 3 weeks off for the operation.

I do have a plan though and I can see a way out, I just hope I don't get the bottle neck effect that you have mentioned in previous threads.

[raven200]

I have been advised to drink 4 litres of water per day at the moment, which is what I have been doing, my kidney has not failed, but it is damaged and I still have a foreign body and infection.

I have been paying very close attention to my health. I think I am getting stressed as obviously my boss is concerned with how I can make him money, not whether I am ok.

As I said before I shouldn't be working a 40 hour week at the moment, my doctor also keeps telling me that, I don't have the option of cutting my hours and I already took 3 weeks off for the operation.

I do have a plan though and I can see a way out, I just hope I don't get the bottle neck effect that you have mentioned in previous threads.

Too many slave driving companies out there, stick lots of cotton wool into your bosses cars exhaust, or maybe try a large cloth.

Seriously money drives some people to inhumanity.

Kick him in the balls when you leave! you will feel good> :rolleyes:

[spock]

i hate making other people money. i've walked out of so many soul crushing jobs it's not true.
i sell my life only to those who i feel deserve me! fuck everyone else.

[raven200]

i hate making other people money. i've walked out of so many soul crushing jobs it's not true.
i sell my life only to those who i feel deserve me! fuck everyone else.

So what organs are up for sale today then Spock?

could it be the ears!!!

:D

[tracker]

[QUOTE=unusual_suspect;1051817]

As I said before I shouldn't be working a 40 hour week at the moment, my doctor also keeps telling me that, I don't have the option of cutting my hours and I already took 3 weeks off for the operation.

QUOTE]


your dr also sounds like your boss , it is about time he understood what his position is and to keep to it .

ok you had 3 weeks off , what the f+ck has that got to do with him ?

sounds like drs are now trying to be our mothers and bosses .

if you have spare cash ,
and have preps
and have the research

do what your heart is telling you .

the time off seems to be a good idea and it baffles me as to why your dr is imposing a threat upon you to create more stress

but then ?????????????????

with out your body being unwell and being stressed ----------------feeds him an income doesnt it ?

just prepare
do research

REST !

and go for it .

i cant promise you it will all turn out fine , we make our own way in life and sometimes it does get hard

but what can be more senseless and hard than to stick

a job you dont like
with folks who stress you out
with an illness
with working in a job that creates stress and makes the illness more potent

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????

its all up to you .

if you make a desision , you must like it , make your self like it and be determined not to allow the dark moments to automaticly stress you out .

its all up to you , but that abuse and niglect from your doc ????????????

sounds to me as though they know --- how that job affects you .

your income
job and private life

is nothing to do with him .


tpyical big brother tactics .

I went to the drs over my stroke about 4 weeks back and said

"hay doc , i am feeling better now , if you aint going to give me a full medical i am going to work with or with out your idea of how ill i am coz i feel absolutly brilliant "


his 1st remark was

"yes but think of all that incapacity benifits that you will miss out on"

:eek:

ffs ? what has that got to do with anything ?

it seems to me from what you said and what i went though seem similar .

are drs now having training in moral blakmail ?
tactics to make us think we need the system ?

sounds very uncanny to me .

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

Too many slave driving companies out there, stick lots of cotton wool into your bosses cars exhaust, or maybe try a large cloth.

Seriously money drives some people to inhumanity.

Kick him in the balls when you leave! you will feel good> :rolleyes:

He is probably a nice guy if he isn't your boss. He has every Friday off to see his mum and to take her shopping which I actually think is quite sweet of him.

But imo you are never going to like your boss.

I actually work for a really small company, so I think part fo the problem is that I have too much to do and they will not hire another person. I actually use 2 PC's to get more done which he obviously doesn't know.

I also have a laptop, hence me being able to post on the forum.

EDIT - tracker, it's my doctor who keeps telling me I need to take time off and to get more rest, he was trying to get me to have more time off after the operation.

[justnotsure]

As well as the books already mentioned I have enjoyed reading the prosperity books by Catherine Ponder. Have not bought any just got them from the local library -they are religious though - you can also try Stuart Wilde as well.

I'll dig out some health affirmations as well.

[raven200]

He is probably a nice guy if he isn't your boss. He has every Friday off to see his mum and to take her shopping which I actually think is quite sweet of him.

But imo you are never going to like your boss.

I actually work for a really small company, so I think part fo the problem is that I have too much to do and they will not hire another person. I actually use 2 PC's to get more done which he obviously doesn't know.

I also have a laptop, hence me being able to post on teh forum.

Yup small companies = small minds.

The company I worked for was small as well, actually refused a job for a blue chip company and went for the small one, thinking that as company grows I'll be first in line for promotions etc.

Never happens, theres a reason why some companies stay small even after they have been running for many years.

Saying that though not all small companies are bad.

Also smart move with the extra laptop, he'll never be able to see you on the david icke forum during work time!! :p

[tracker]

ah ha

then take the drs advice and go self employed with tax credits , both child tax and working tax credits and by the way ---kick your old mans ass .

do you feel like getting up on a monday in 3 weeks time ?

self employment is a self monitoring thing ya know .

anyway unusual suspect , its time for me to go off line

i know you will do fine

just research
prepare

and then just make that move !:cool:

I will not say "good luck" because i never do unless i believe that person needs luck , otherwise , you will do just fine , you dont need luck , you need to loose fear is all .

by by , have a nice monday today , and do keep us updated .

:cool:

[void]

i've walked out of so many soul crushing jobs it's not true.

I've done lots of jobs, because yes few of them utilise my human spirit in much of a way. But I work damn hard in the jobs I do. When I know the time is right, I don't waste any time in leaving them (unlike some I meet, who stay for many years in a workplace collectively whinging between each other while making good money....far more money than I do as a newcomer).

I leave when the job has served its main purpose, which was to put money in my account. Companys today, aren't offering much more than that. When I see a job is making me really unhappy and is doing nothing for me at the core anymore, I call it a day and move on even if it means uncertainty in my life.

There are different types of folks. I occasionally work with folks who 'arrive' in a new workplace with a lethargic attitude like a droopy teenager and simply waste the time of employers, yet hope it will all somehow change if they huff enough. I simply see jobs as a means to an end, because that's how most employers view us now. We're now described as "Human Resources", so we're completely expendable. I view my jobs the same way.

As long as its clear between us, there is no problem in the workplace.

Only when folks are hoping to be treated like family or expect much more life fulfilling rewards from it all, do they get dissilusioned. Employers only notice the mistakes, and not the 364 other day where you excelled. I know this from experience, and am glad this was shown to me early on. I know the score, and hopefully they know that I do,too. Some employers still don't get it, demanding total loyalty and commitment while they want the luxury of getting rid of us when its convenient. But most of them know the score now.

I work hard and get on with it, all the while knowing that in most places we're just a number on a payroll in the administration office. Occasionally I've worked for small companies which are much nicer to work for. There is more of a family atmosphere in them, and you're treated really well. At the end of the day though, we're still seen as expendable at a moment's notice by most places (especially during the recession when lots of work is temporary).

[curtaincat]

I want to quit my job, every morning my heart sinks and I think Ffs, what a load of toss! I feel like my soul and zest for life are being sucked out of me for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, I wish I had enough money to jack it in and start up my own business without the risk of losing my house etc. :(

However, I have a family and I am the only one earning at the moment, so I have to be responsible and earn some of the evil folding stuff.

I want to do artistic stuff and astrology readings.

I want to curl one out in to a tupperware box and send it to my boss with a message attached saying "the jobs shit and I'm giving you the sack :D

Any how, rant over, time to start work :)

hi unusual_suspect, my friend. ... one thing that came blaring out at me whilst reading this whole thread is your signature. ( nothing against FZ btw)

basically it says "if you chose crap - - - blah blah - - - YOU DESERVE IT! )

now, I am just wondering if that was your subconcious mind trying to make you see what you have quoted ALL along in your siggie..? Perchance it means that you feel that you deserve to suffer. ( it will be natural to say no)
if you are not tuning out by now and still interested in what i am trying to figure out to help ya, i was wondering if once you did figure out whatever has caused you to feel you deserve to suffer ( it is almost for sure subconcious) if you change your sig to something that makes you feel in charge of your own life, and positive. some above posters have also said this, offering affirmations etc, nice people:)
and tracker has been wonderful:)

do you see what i am saying? perhaps the reason your family wants you to work even though they dont work could be a deep issue within yourself, because you want to keep it private, but your subconcious mind knows all and is TRYing to tell ya.
it is obvious you really need a good rest and yet your other half wants you to work?
kidneys are a pair of organs, you can live on just one, but of course there is no way you want that to happen. please rest, you really need it.

[unusual_suspect]

hi unusual_suspect, my friend. ... one thing that came blaring out at me whilst reading this whole thread is your signature. ( nothing against FZ btw)

basically it says "if you chose crap - - - blah blah - - - YOU DESERVE IT! )

now, I am just wondering if that was your subconcious mind trying to make you see what you have quoted ALL along in your siggie..? Perchance it means that you feel that you deserve to suffer. ( it will be natural to say no)
if you are not tuning out by now and still interested in what i am trying to figure out to help ya, i was wondering if once you did figure out whatever has caused you to feel you deserve to suffer ( it is almost for sure subconcious) if you change your sig to something that makes you feel in charge of your own life, and positive. some above posters have also said this, offering affirmations etc, nice people:)
and tracker has been wonderful:)

do you see what i am saying? perhaps the reason your family wants you to work even though they dont work could be a deep issue within yourself, because you want to keep it private, but your subconcious mind knows all and is TRYing to tell ya.
it is obvious you really need a good rest and yet your other half wants you to work?
kidneys are a pair of organs, you can live on just one, but of course there is no way you want that to happen. please rest, you really need it.

I see what you are getting at. Maybe I chose that sig to snap myself out of it and to remind myself that I have never been to sort to go along with stuff just because.... so why am I now. I do have to admit that apart from the job & health, things are actually pretty groovy in the world of unusual_suspect and I have many things to be thankful for.

Maybe I am frustrated and feeling so bad because patience is not one of my virtues and I know it will be a few more months of preparation before I get where I want to be.

However, I do have a degree of confidence, as I know from past experiences that if I will things to happen enough, they inevitably do ;)

Do I feel I deserve to suffer? I have thought long and hard, and the answer is no. I chose that sig becuase it reminds me to stick to not give a flying funk and listen to the misguided advice of others and to go my own way :cool:

As for the kidney problems, I have not lived a sheltered life, and before I had my son I had my fare share of drugs and alchohol and many other people fair share I should think.

I always wondered whether I would get away with it.

[size_of_light]

I want to quit my job :(

I just did :)

EDIT: Anyone got any money?

[unusual_suspect]

I want to quit my job :(

I just did :)

EDIT: Anyone got any money?

Ok, would you mind telling us a bit more about the whys and wherefores?

I hope it is all good though :)

[size_of_light]

Ok, would you mind telling us a bit more about the whys and wherefores?

I hope it is all good though :)

How much is it worth to you? :confused:

:p

Okay, well...not much to report....I dreaded turning up every day...the people were like corpses (though generally ok)...the atmosphere was like a morgue...the work was deeply tedious and uninspiring.

So I quit.

The positive is that I don't have to show up there again, or remember any of the shit I had to remember to do the job.

The negative is that now I have to find another job. :rolleyes:

[amercury]

Hey unusual suspect..I just have a quick suggestion for you because I have in the past supported myself on astrology readings and artistic stuff :)

It is a little tough, but my suggestion is to also offer astrology classes. There are a lot of people who are interested. You could meet once a week maybe for 2 hours, and if you can get about ten people 20 quid a session you can make an extra couple of hundred bucks a week.

I have no doubts you would be successful if you went off on your own....with Saturn conjunct ascendant and all. :D

[unusual_suspect]

:DHey unusual suspect..I just have a quick suggestion for you because I have in the past supported myself on astrology readings and artistic stuff :)

It is a little tough, but my suggestion is to also offer astrology classes. There are a lot of people who are interested. You could meet once a week maybe for 2 hours, and if you can get about ten people 20 quid a session you can make an extra couple of hundred bucks a week.

I have no doubts you would be successful if you went off on your own....with Saturn conjunct ascendant and all. :D

He he, Saturn conjuct ascendant, why couldn't it have been something nice like Venus or Jupiter, people always think I'm in a bad mood. I get strangers in the street telling me to cheer up and I'm only thinking about whether I fancy a coffee when I get home :rolleyes:

I have no doubt I could teach this, however I have no formal pieces of paper, I have just been a keen astrologer who has devoured every piece of information they can get their hands on over the last 17 years or so.

I have done loads of charts for friends and family and I do my transits and theirs all the time.

Do you think people would be ok with that?

How much is it worth to you? :confused:

:p

Okay, well...not much to report....I dreaded turning up every day...the people were like corpses (though generally ok)...the atmosphere was like a morgue...the work was deeply tedious and uninspiring.

So I quit.

The positive is that I don't have to show up there again, or remember any of the shit I had to remember to do the job.

The negative is that now I have to find another job. :rolleyes:

I really hope it works out for you, a brave step you took there. Working in a job you hate is soul destroying, all the best man :D

Are you planning to maybe work for yourself?

Tha last time I jacked in a job I didn't like was in September last year, it was in an office doing something I hated more than what I am doing now, slight improvement, I now work flexible hours from home, but I'm still working for the man, I want to be working for the woman eg me

[size_of_light]

Are you planning to maybe work for yourself?


I dunno. Can't be bothered thinking about it, really.

[asha loka]

At the end of the day though, we're still seen as expendable at a moment's notice by most places (especially during the recession when lots of work is temporary).

That's because if you're a director you can do jail time if your company is trading while insolvent. And - sadly - payroll costs count as expenses, which can always be cut.

I know someone this happened to. He desperately wanted to avoid firing his staff, so he kept the business going when he shouldn't have.

He got six months for that.

He was a nice guy, but those six months away really hardened and haunted him.

[danster82]

This guy on youtube seems to be all about what you saying

DONT DEPEND ON A JOB - YouTube

[unusual_suspect]

This guy on youtube seems to be all about what you saying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGX2VC5N_lc

Indeed, your job is never truly secure when you work for someone else.

[asha loka]

I have done loads of charts for friends and family and I do my transits and theirs all the time.

Do you think people would be ok with that?

People are totally okay with that. I have a Faculty of Astrological Studies Certififcate - I couldn't be bothered with the Diploma when I saw what was involved - but no one has ever been even slightly interested.

I don't teach astrology now, but I've done it in the past, and you can usually find ten people in an area who will pay you - sometimes more than once, for a series of classes.

£50-£100 for a reading seems usual in the bigger cities now, so if you do readings and classes to build a reputation you could easily be earning upwards of £500/wk for maybe 20 hours of work.

[apekteina lordosis]

constructive and practical advice and replies only please (otherwise I shall have to put you over my knee and give your botty a good spanking :D).

is that a promise? :gurns:

not been in the position of having others to support on a day2day basis however the only suggestion i can suggest is to continue working for the time being and at the same time start up your own business. the crux is to try and get your hands on a large loan that isn't linked to your house. then sell your house, stand on your bosses desk and shit on their head (fuck that middleman tupperwear nonsense) then fuck off to another country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the uk. once there bribe the local mayor to let you stay sans official paperwork, buy a attractive but run down farm, fix the roof, install solar-panels, plant some veg and ganja, buy some hens and a goat. finally invite me over.

[amercury]

I have no doubt I could teach this, however I have no formal pieces of paper, I have just been a keen astrologer who has devoured every piece of information they can get their hands on over the last 17 years or so.

I have done loads of charts for friends and family and I do my transits and theirs all the time.

Do you think people would be ok with that?

Yeah well it is kind of hard getting formal papers in this field of study. People who are interested in metaphysical things don't pay much mind to that sort of thing anyway. If they are impressed with your skills they will see you as an authority. And you are an expert in what you choose to do..that Saturn conjunct Ascendant says so! :)

A lot of people who get their charts read are interested in learning astrology...you could just let your clients know that you have weekly meet ups if they are interested. That is how I started learning astrology. I went to see a guy who impressed me and he told me that he held classes every week. I went to the meet ups for 5 years and learned alot. Also met a lot of like minded people.

[drhemp]

I often read or hear that people hate their boss. It is awful to have to work with someone who not is pleasant to be with. I wonder what drives these people to be mean to people that work for them.

I'm lucky enough to have my own companies, and I treat my staff with nothing but 100% respect. They give their time to run my companies and make me money.

I learned recently from a mate of mine that his older brother who was working as a chef was being belittled by his boss while he was repairing a door, using a knife to tighten a screw. His manager or something said in front of some people something like "this is my good little slave". Not a good idea for this guy, as my mate's brother (who I know a bit and can confirm is a bit mad) grabbed hold of him, pushed him against the wall, put the knife against him and threatened to kill him, he then slashed his tyres and kicked in his car doors. Mind you, he got to spend 2 weeks in Exeter nick for that (didn't help that his friends shaved his hair while he was asleep so he went to court as a skinhead).

[unusual_suspect]

People are totally okay with that. I have a Faculty of Astrological Studies Certififcate - I couldn't be bothered with the Diploma when I saw what was involved - but no one has ever been even slightly interested.

I don't teach astrology now, but I've done it in the past, and you can usually find ten people in an area who will pay you - sometimes more than once, for a series of classes.

£50-£100 for a reading seems usual in the bigger cities now, so if you do readings and classes to build a reputation you could easily be earning upwards of £500/wk for maybe 20 hours of work.

Ok, cool, thanks for the heads up. I am in the beautiful rural West of England, the nearest big city is about 25 minutes drive away, I'll give it a go and see what transpires. :)

is that a promise? :gurns:

not been in the position of having others to support on a day2day basis however the only suggestion i can suggest is to continue working for the time being and at the same time start up your own business. the crux is to try and get your hands on a large loan that isn't linked to your house. then sell your house, stand on your bosses desk and shit on their head (fuck that middleman tupperwear nonsense) then fuck off to another country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the uk. once there bribe the local mayor to let you stay sans official paperwork, buy a attractive but run down farm, fix the roof, install solar-panels, plant some veg and ganja, buy some hens and a goat. finally invite me over.

I have thought about running away and jioning the circus.

As for the botty spanking, I thought the kind of people that frequent this fourum might prefer it to me locking them in the cupboard with the spiders ;)

Yeah well it is kind of hard getting formal papers in this field of study. People who are interested in metaphysical things don't pay much mind to that sort of thing anyway. If they are impressed with your skills they will see you as an authority. And you are an expert in what you choose to do..that Saturn conjunct Ascendant says so! :)

A lot of people who get their charts read are interested in learning astrology...you could just let your clients know that you have weekly meet ups if they are interested. That is how I started learning astrology. I went to see a guy who impressed me and he told me that he held classes every week. I went to the meet ups for 5 years and learned alot. Also met a lot of like minded people.

Thanks for the advice :) that makes sense, if I get a got vibe off someone I wouldn't even consider pieces of paper and the like.

I am considering contacting an esoteric order who practise a lot of esoteric astrology - it seems like there would be a lot to be learned, however, I have my reservations as they are linked to Theosphical Society and the Lucis Trust and I am not 100% sure if they are not in favour of eugenics or not, so I have to do some more research....but that's best kept for another thread :p

Anyhow. I started work at 05:00 this morning and I have finished, so enough chatting, it's time to make a start on illustrating and designing a beautiful poster to advertise my services (and that's not the botty spanking ones!)

Thanks peeps :D

[apekteina lordosis]

:(

you could combine the spanking with astrology reading.

"the colour of mars is about to shadow the cusp of uranus"... slap

hee, if an astrologer could be given a pound everytime they were told a joke with the word" uranus" in it huh... ;)

[unusual_suspect]

:(

you could combine the spanking with astrology reading.

"the colour of mars is about to shadow the cusp of uranus"... slap

hee, if an astrologer could be given a pound everytime they were told a joke with the word" uranus" in it huh... ;)

And it never gets old, look at my location underneath my avatar :D

[apekteina lordosis]

And it never gets old, look at my location underneath my avatar :D

haha! quality :D

[deem]

I am the wife lol and I am seriously considering what you are saying. I, like you don't give a monkeys what others think, the problem is that I don't like taking money off anyone, not even the state

Its not the states money, its your money. It dosent come from the taxpayer either. when you sign the form for your national security number, you gave up all freedom and became governmaent property. Your own personal bond was created called the 'Ceste que trust' which was then put on the Securities Market and is used by the government as Surity, and allows them to borrow money from the Treasury. Thats your account, your money. And the the government earns hundreds of thousands off it. Its not their money, Its yours. Read this 90 page book by Mary Elizabeth Croft, It's well worth reading and will open your eyes.http://freedom-school.com/mary_elizabeth_croft.pdf

[nonfictionalentity]

For anyone looking to get out of the system (or at least partly out of it). I would highly recommend researching into a lot of the technologies being developed from the "Free-man on the Land" method of thinking.

I basically took a leap of faith to get out of the 9 - 5 (More like 8 - 7:30 in reality) slave routine and used having a good credit rating to my advantage. I managed to get together a few thousand digits (Sorry 'Pounds') of electronic monopoly money (otherwise know as Sterling) to help get me by until I sorted everything out.

Only problem with this was during the first few months of getting my feet on the ground I was struggling to make the repayments on all of these 'loans', this was inhibiting me getting to where I needed to be and making life very stresseful and difficult (as it's all designed to).

The solution to all this came when I was put onto Mary Croft, Robert Menard, Thinkfree.org etc. etc. then all the business with loans, credit cards etc. became a lot more fun, basically I started learning to stand up to these bastards and learned how to enjoy my life again without worrying about 'debts' which don't really exist. The only negative is that you lose your 'Person's' credit rating for a bit, but even that comes back after a short amount of time.

Understand Commerce / Common Law (Or basically how to tell tptb in their own terms to 'Fuck Off' by asking for actual proof of any jurasdiction over you / contracts between you and them) and you can at least get on the path to regaining back some freedom in your life.

Peace

[bones]

I want to quit my job, every morning my heart sinks and I think Ffs, what a load of toss! I feel like my soul and zest for life are being sucked out of me for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, I wish I had enough money to jack it in and start up my own business without the risk of losing my house etc. :(

However, I have a family and I am the only one earning at the moment, so I have to be responsible and earn some of the evil folding stuff.

I want to do artistic stuff and astrology readings.

I want to curl one out in to a tupperware box and send it to my boss with a message attached saying "the jobs shit and I'm giving you the sack :D

Any how, rant over, time to start work :)

then just quit !!! i did it and it felt great... i never had a job to go to and still had a mortgage to pay also.....

fuk it buddy,,,,,,, lifes to short to piss about...

[unusual_suspect]

then just quit !!! i did it and it felt great... i never had a job to go to and still had a mortgage to pay also.....

fuk it buddy,,,,,,, lifes to short to piss about...

I know, last time I quit a job because it sucked I was ok, good for you matey :)

[hawk]

I quit my last job that I had full-time last yr. We get a small, and I mean a very small check for my son's SSI. It's from his dad becuz his father is paralyzed from the waist down due to an accident back in October of 2000.
I cannot stand working with somebody who constantly berates me or a co-worker who has a power trip going on. I worked for A telemarketing company at a call-in center where the customers would call in and we would help them with their questions and their orders. It was sheer hell whenever you got a customer on the line and the first thing they would do is start screaming and yelling and cussing at you right off the bat. The stress was overwhelming. It was verbal abuse nothing less! But we were being paid to take this shit! I got tired of it and I quit. They asked me why I told them I got burned out mentally and physically.
Nowadays I babysit my sister's grandson and I'm out of town 4 days a week. I like this becuz it's money under the table and it lets me get away from all this damn drama around here where I live.
If I have to go back to work this fall after this girl's next child is born, it will be hard becuz I haven't worked a public job for so long. But as bad as the economy has been around here, it will be awhile before things really do pick up.
Although to be honest, I don't think things are going to get better I believe they will get worse. People are being lulled into a false sense of security and then they will have the rug pulled out from under them. So, I'm just sitting back watching and waiting to see what happens.
Does anyone else feel this way?

[coco]

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/06.09/statslie.html

How is the economy treating you? Chances are, your answer is colored largely by three things: whether you’re working (if you want to), how much you’re making and how quickly your expenses are rising. Economists rely heavily on the same factors to judge the nation’s health. At last count, 9.4% of the workforce is jobless. Compared with a year ago, the goods and services we produce are worth 5.7% less while the ones we buy are 0.7% cheaper.

Two bright people might see sharply different things in those numbers. To one, the shrinking economy is a healthy unwinding of past excess, for example, while to another it’s a dangerous downturn that calls for bold government action. But what if the numbers themselves are something we should be debating? In the alarming view of a vocal few, America’s economic measures are misstated -- rigged, really.

The accusation goes like this: Surveyors collect the nation’s data and statisticians compile and report it. Politicians naturally want the numbers to show improvement. Not being able to change the facts, they focus on the handling of facts, pressuring statisticians to change their measurements. It’s not quite one grand conspiracy but decades of minor ones compiled. Today’s reports are so perverted, the theory holds, that the numbers have detached from common experience.
Pollyanna Creep

If the theory has a chief architect, it is John Williams, a semi-retired grandfather of five living in Oakland, Calif. The son of a chainsaw importer, Williams sold the family business in the 1970s and began consulting for corporations, recalculating government economic data to arrive at what he says were more reliable measures, and with them, truer forecasts. Today Williams runs Shadow Government Statistics (ShadowStats.com) from his home. For $175 a year subscribers get economic data and analysis adjusted to back out the accumulated effects of what Williams has dubbed the Pollyanna Creep -- Pollyanna being the orphan protagonist of the 1913 children’s book who learns to play the “glad game” to find cheery perspectives on life’s sorrows. In other words, he provides figures he feels are properly miserable, to offset government ones he says are too prettied-up.

If Williams is right, unemployment is over 20%, gross domestic product is shrinking by 8% and consumer prices are jumping by nearly 7%. His forecasts border on apocalyptic. The government is creating so much new money, he says, that the all but inevitable result is hyperinflation, where “your highest denomination, the $100 bill, becomes worth more as toilet paper than money.” Buy physical gold, he advises.

Whether we believe the forecasts or not, the possibility of a Pollyanna Creep has serious implications. Social Security payments are just one benefit adjusted each year for increases in the cost of living. If the figures hadn’t been corrupted, says Williams, checks might be close to double what they are.

Williams has managed to attract plenty of press. A year ago, Harper’s magazine featured a cover drawing of a grinning Uncle Sam fondling numeral-shaped party balloons, with the headline, “Numbers Racket: Why the Economy is Worse Than We Know.” The story centered on Williams’ data. The San Francisco Chronicle followed with “Government Economic Data Misleading, He Says.” Last fall in the London Times: “Forget Short-Sellers and Manipulators, Pollyanna Creep Could Be the Culprit.”

Government statisticians are frustrated. “Economic Data Seems Accurate” doesn’t make for a catchy headline, so the press, they say, are too quick to give credence to conspiracy theories. “We go out of our way to be transparent,” says Thomas Nardone, who during 32 years at the Bureau of Labor Statistics helped implement many of the changes in calculating the unemployment rate. “We’d be remiss if we didn’t make changes,” he says. “I’ve never seen measurement changes that were politically motivated.”

Katherine Abraham served as commissioner of BLS during the Clinton administration. Commissioners, unlike the statisticians who work for them, are political appointees. Now a professor at University of Maryland, Abraham says she did see political pressure, but rarely, and never with results. Once, she says, a prominent lawmaker told her the BLS might get more funding if it would agree to propose changes that reduce the appearance of inflation. Abraham says she rebuffed the offer.

Decide for yourself. Here’s a roundup of measurement changes at the heart of Williams’ claims, along with responses from people who work closely with the measurements. I’ll focus on unemployment and inflation, but not GDP, since the chief flaw with it, according to Williams, is how problems with the inflation measure overstate real, or after-inflation, growth. (There’s a different case to be made -- that GDP measures some fairly undesirable things, like the cost of war and divorce lawyers, and so isn’t a great proxy for economic well-being -- but I’ll save that subject for another day.)
Disappearing Jobless?

About 13 million people were unemployed during the Great Depression, or around 25% of the work force, but those are fairly recent estimates. At the time, the government simply didn’t track data like it does today, which made it difficult to judge whether things were getting better or worse. Two main developments in the 1930s made tracking unemployment feasible. The first was an improvement in the way statistics are used to turn a relatively small sample into a faithful representation of the larger population. That allowed for the use of surveys. The second was the notion of basing one’s status as part of the unemployed work force on actions. Whether someone wants to work, after all, is a subjective thing. Whether they’re looking for work is not.

Today the BLS reports six measures of unemployment, called U-1 through U-6, for which the definition of unemployment gradually broadens. For example, 4.5% of the work force has been unemployed for 15 weeks or longer and is actively looking for work (U-1), while 15.8% is unemployed if we count those who say they want work but aren’t looking, and those who work part-time for lack of full-time options (U-6).

Williams takes issue with a 1994 change that coincided with a shift to computerized data collection from pencil and paper. Until then, a discouraged worker was someone who wanted to work but had given up looking because there were no jobs. The BLS tightened the restrictions with additional questions, which reduced the ranks of discouraged workers by half. As Williams puts it, “The Clinton administration dismissed to the non-reporting netherworld about five million discouraged workers.” Add those in, he says, and unemployment approaches Great Depression levels.

Nardone, the longtime BLS economist who today serves as assistant commissioner for current employment analysis, says the 25% unemployment rate often cited for the Great Depression is based on research that corresponds with today’s U-3, the unemployment rate most commonly reported by the media. It stands at 9.4%, recall -- not close to Depression-era levels. The 1994 changes did reduce the ranks of discouraged workers, but also introduced a new category: the marginally attached, who want jobs but aren’t looking for reasons like transportation problems and child-care requirements. The most commonly watched measure (now U-3, before the change U-5) is mostly unaffected, since it doesn’t include discouraged workers. The benefit of the changes, explains Steven Haugen, a BLS economist, is a less subjective measure of discouragement, and some additional ways to judge whether the nation is not only working, but working up to its ability. Williams says the change reduced the broadest measure of unemployment in a way that “doesn’t match with public perception, and for good reason.”

For a BLS paper describing changes to its unemployment measure, see here.
Rent, Geometry and Hedonism

The same agency that reports unemployment, the BLS, also reports the consumer price index. It tracks changes in the prices of more than 8,000 goods and services, from apples in New York to gasoline in San Francisco. There are several variants of the CPI index. For example, CPI-W weights things like fuel more heavily to better reflect the commutes of workers, and is the basis for Social Security adjustments. CPI-U, the measure most often reported in the media, includes items a typical urban consumer might buy, and determines adjustments to inflation-indexed Treasury bonds. Note that “core” inflation, which excludes food and fuel, isn’t used as the basis for any federal spending program (and isn’t called “core” by the BLS, which reports but doesn’t seem to especially prize the measure).

Most CPI criticism is based on three changes that affect all indexes. In 1983 the BLS replaced house prices with something called owners’ equivalent rent to measure the cost of shelter. Williams and other critics say it understates the cost, since house prices, until recently, had outpaced rents. John Greenlees, a BLS economist, says the new method is the most widely used among developed nations and is meant to fix a flaw in the old one. The CPI is supposed to measure things people buy to use, not things they invest in. For many people, houses are a little of both. The new measure attempts to isolate the portion of housing expenditures that best reflects the cost of living. Williams says the purchase price of housing is an important factor in determining a constant standard of living, and he doubts the ability of “the government to accurately calculate how much a person would pay to rent his own house.”

Another change: In 1999 the BLS adopted a geometric mean formula to replace its arithmetic mean one. The new method weights goods less as their prices rise, and is supposed to reflect patterns of consumer substitution. Critics say that treats consumers as if they’re no worse off when they switch to hamburger from steak. Greenlees says the analogy is flawed; the methodology allows substitution only between similar goods in the same region -- from steak in Chicago to a different type of steak in Chicago, and not to hamburger. The old measure was really an overstatement of price increases, one that assumed consumers don’t react at all to higher prices, he says. Also, the impact is relatively small. The BLS has continued to calculate prices under both methodologies and says over five years ended 2004 the new measure reduced CPI growth by 0.28 percentage points a year. Williams says geometric weighting has moved the CPI away from measuring a constant standard of living. He says that when the effects are combined with those of other changes, like increased price surveying among discount stores (which he contends offer poorer service and thus a lower standard of living than the shops they replaced) the overall impact is larger than the BLS states.

Finally, in 1999 the BLS began using what it calls hedonic adjustments. Williams explains the approach with a dash of sarcasm: “That new washing machine you bought did not cost you 20% more than it would have cost you last year, because you got an offsetting 20% increase in the pleasure you derive from pushing its new electronic control buttons instead of turning that old noisy dial.” He calls the impact on CPI “substantial.” Greenlees says the name “hedonic” was an unfortunate choice, since the technique has little to do with making judgments about pleasure. It’s designed to measure the quality difference between goods when one is discontinued and must be replaced in the index with another that’s not quite the same. Adjustments can push the index in either direction, but Greenlees says the overall impact since the change has been a tiny increase in the CPI -- about 0.005% a year. Williams says some hedonic adjustments are indeed necessary, like when the size of a box of crackers changes from 12 ounces to 10 ounces. But more theoretical adjustments, he says, “overstate the quality of what the public is buying."

The BLS has published a 17-page paper countering what it calls misconceptions about the CPI. Find it here.

Williams suspects his charges motivated the paper, and has issued a response — a rebuttal to the rebuttal, if you like — here. http://www.shadowstats.com/article/special-comment

[hawk]

Coco, I believe that the US unemployment figures are not what they should be. I think somebody is juggling the numbers. The unemployment figures are alot higher if you really want to know. Alex Jones had some guy on his radio show last week and they were talking about how the real number were closer to 17-18 million people out of work all over the entire country but this was never told to the public for fears of a social breakdown.
Like I said, I don't think it will get better just worse. People are being lulled into a false sense of security about this economy crap and when the inflation starts to hit. The first thing you'll see is food skyrocketing. I saw a damn tube of toothpaste at the local Harris teeter grocer y store that was selling for $9.00! I was like,WTF?! I know I wouldn't buy it. Haven't any of you noticed how things are slowly creeping upwards in price like toothpaste? Go to the store today and just browse around. If the manager gets worried as to why you're not buying, tell him you're doing price comparison of some products so you will know where to shop and what he's got to offer.

[coco]

I think people remember the stories taught by their elders about The Great Depression in addition to all the historical photos and docos we've seen over the years. People are scared to death of that scenario. Unemployment figures are closer to 20% but the formula and criteria used to calculate has been replaced with the new and improved, happy one currently in place.

Your ahead of the curve if you believe other than current US BLS stats. :)