Relationships are an illusion

[lostinstrangeworld]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.

[lottie]

Is it not better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all?

[steevo]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.


We gotta have a relationship so that we can have kids dont we ? And to have an mum AND a dad (who are unbrainwashed) is gonna create a strong family unit.

[steevo]

Is it not better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all?

Although I believe that quote to be LOGICAL, I think that the quote itself does not take into account human emotions. It's a crap quote, simple as that. I dont know how that quote got so popular. There are FAR better quotes out there.
Btw Lottie, I was not trying to wind you up or anything there. I just think that quote is not a good one. I wasnt criticising you, I was criticising the quote :) Love ya "Lots" :D xx

[dmt head]

We gotta have a relationship so that we can have kids dont we ? And to have an mum AND a dad (who are unbrainwashed) is gonna create a strong family unit.

very good point steevo! :cool:

I remeber moby said that people who get hurt really badly then try to find love again must be sadists if theres another chance that that pain could happen to you. In saying that I heard moby was sleazy so and so but he makes a good point. Im willing to take that chance as im very happy at the moment and if I lost her I think im in a far better position to deal with it and not endure that pain that ive felt before.

See some people especially a lot of woman have hardly been alone so need this in their lifes but the majority of men have been used to a life on their own I think, being single for a long time definately helps buid strenght of character, like a guy in my work split form his wife of 24 years recently and hes totally lost and I said to him it could be good for you to learn to be alone, he agreed but he is struggling.

[lottie]

Although I believe that quote to be LOGICAL, I think that the quote itself does not take into account human emotions. It's a crap quote, simple as that. I dont know how that quote got so popular. There are FAR better quotes out there.
Btw Lottie, I was not trying to wind you up or anything there. I just think that quote is not a good one. I wasnt criticising you, I was criticising the quote :) Love ya "Lots" :D xx

thanks... i did take it to heart for a minute but im ultra sensitive atm...;) so no hard feelings xx

i only said it coz my mum mentioned it the other day when i was discussing the possibility of losing my baby... i think in that respect its a crap quote since i'd rather not gotten too deep in bond with my boy the lesser the love- the less severe the hurt no?.. but mother baby bond is way different to relationships so i thought it was best to pose the question to LISW... im sad she feels this way.

[lostinstrangeworld]

thanks... i did take it to heart for a minute but im ultra sensitive atm...;) so no hard feelings xx

i only said it coz my mum mentioned it the other day when i was discussing the possibility of losing my baby... i think in that respect its a crap quote since i'd rather not gotten too deep in bond with my boy the lesser the love- the less severe the hurt no?.. but mother baby bond is way different to relationships so i thought it was best to pose the question to LISW... im sad she feels this way.

Much love and light to you both.

My brother and his wife lost a baby a year or so ago, fortunately they were able to prepare themselves as they knew that patua syndrome babies only usually live a short while. They were so brave with everything, I am very proud of them even though I don't see them much. They had a strong feeling that this child was special, he will always be dear to them even though he can't be physically with them. A huge rainbow appeared in the sky on the day when the family said goodbye.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I'm sharing the wrong words right now.

Just try not to worry about anything and be relaxed. It seems that there is a purpose, a reason for things and a destiny.


I just don't know about relationships. :o

[lostinstrangeworld]

Is it not better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all?

Yes, I guess that's true in some ways.

I'm just feeling bitter that things haven't happened in my life the way that I dreamed as a girl. :o

But I'm far from the only one who has problems as this, at least I can feel some sort of togetherness in that.

Even Anastasia of The Ringing Cedars suffered unrequited love! :o

[lottie]

Much love and light to you both.

My brother and his wife lost a baby a year or so ago, fortunately they were able to prepare themselves as they knew that patua syndrome babies only usually live a short while. They were so brave with everything, I am very proud of them even though I don't see them much. They had a strong feeling that this child was special, he will always be dear to them even though he can't be physically with them. A huge rainbow appeared in the sky on the day when the family said goodbye.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I'm sharing the wrong words right now.

Just try not to worry about anything and be relaxed. It seems that there is a purpose, a reason for things and a destiny.


I just don't know about relationships. :o


Thanks hun... patua syndrome is one i was tested for but thankfully it proved negative...along with Downs and Edwards otherwise i wouldnt have got this far! My heart wrenches for your brother and his wife...i cannot bear the thought of it... i only speak hypothetically but it is a possibility... we're not out of the woods yet!

But hey...look how i managed to make this all about me?!! LOL!! :o :D

Sorry- derailed your thread... im sorry you feel so negative about relationships... i know its hard when things dont go the way we want them to.. but sometimes we have to let it go and start again... maybe do some inside work? I know you're a terribly sensitive soul.. i too was the same but it made me miserable... so empathetic that it affected everything i did- the way i felt- my emotional state etc etc... i had to harden up a little... (not over the top) within reason..in order to protect myself and stop myself from experiencing emotional turmoil constantly! I dont honestly know how i did it.. you have to kind of 'stop caring' as much.. like i say not so you're cold or go completely the other way.. but a level that allows you to live your life without suffering all the time.... still being a kind a caring soul yet not allowing your emotions to rule you! Easier said than done... think of it like you said.... chemicals in your body/brain... i think that helps... but dont lose sight of the fact that you are still a 'soul' with love and care inbuilt. :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Thanks hun... patua syndrome is one i was tested for but thankfully it proved negative...along with Downs and Edwards otherwise i wouldnt have got this far! My heart wrenches for your brother and his wife...i cannot bear the thought of it... i only speak hypothetically but it is a possibility... we're not out of the woods yet!

But hey...look how i managed to make this all about me?!! LOL!! :o :D

Sorry- derailed your thread... im sorry you feel so negative about relationships... i know its hard when things dont go the way we want them to.. but sometimes we have to let it go and start again... maybe do some inside work? I know you're a terribly sensitive soul.. i too was the same but it made me miserable... so empathetic that it affected everything i did- the way i felt- my emotional state etc etc... i had to harden up a little... (not over the top) within reason..in order to protect myself and stop myself from experiencing emotional turmoil constantly! I dont honestly know how i did it.. you have to kind of 'stop caring' as much.. like i say not so you're cold or go completely the other way.. but a level that allows you to live your life without suffering all the time.... still being a kind a caring soul yet not allowing your emotions to rule you! Easier said than done... think of it like you said.... chemicals in your body/brain... i think that helps... but dont lose sight of the fact that you are still a 'soul' with love and care inbuilt. :)

Thank you. I'm glad you shared your feelings on this thread, I was nervous as to whether to say anything or not, I felt I wanted to, and was worried I might say the wrong thing. I'm relieved I didn't say the wrong thing. So never mind about "derailing" my thread. :o


Thanks, that's good advice.

[breezinreezin]

I'm just feeling bitter that things haven't happened in my life the way that I dreamed as a girl. :o

I think many of us do. If you think about it, from an early age we're fed, fairy stories of gallant princes, fair princesses and many other romantic ideals. Then there's the disney fantasies, romantic movies, TV, etc. We're not prepared for the reality of real relationships, because we've been sold a ideal that is far removed from the real world. When we meet somebody and it turns sour we blame ourselves, thinking we either aren't good or loveable enough, or that we've been cursed (:) that's my one) or have some kind of anti-relationship trait. When really our problem is we've been indoctrinanted at a very deep level for an early age to have these romantic ideals that probably don't and never did exist.

Personally I've given up and have let those dreams go. That's sad, but it's sadder to be waiting for some future that will probably not materialise. These days I'm more concerned that my spritual practices have gone out the window and cynicism has back crept in. That said I do miss a cuddle:o

[lottie]

Thank you. I'm glad you shared your feelings on this thread, I was nervous as to whether to say anything or not, I felt I wanted to, and was worried I might say the wrong thing. I'm relieved I didn't say the wrong thing. So never mind about "derailing" my thread. :o


Thanks, that's good advice.

No worries.. :) x

[lottie]

I think many of us do. If you think about it, from an early age we're fed, fairy stories of gallant princes, fair princesses and many other romantic ideals. Then there's the disney fantasies, romantic movies, TV, etc. We're not prepared for the reality of real relationships, because we've been sold a ideal that is far removed from the real world. When we meet somebody and it turns sour we blame ourselves, thinking we either aren't good or loveable enough, or that we've been cursed (:) that's my one) or have some kind of anti-relationship trait. When really our problem is we've been indoctrinanted at a very deep level for an early age to have these romantic ideals that probably don't and never did exist.

Personally I've given up and have let those dreams go. That's sad, but it's sadder to be waiting for some future that will probably not materialise. These days I'm more concerned that my spritual practices have gone out the window and cynicism has back crept in. That said I do miss a cuddle:o


More good advice!! ;)

[siriusc]

People are constantly growing and changing. To think that when you find a partner you will grow in the same direction or accept the change in each other is naive. Some people stick it out for the sake of the children, but even this isn't always in everyone's best interest.

Don't give up on relationships and don't become bitter and closed down because they end. Keep changing and growing and hopefully you will find someone to carry on through part of the journey with you.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I think many of us do. If you think about it, from an early age we're fed, fairy stories of gallant princes, fair princesses and many other romantic ideals. Then there's the disney fantasies, romantic movies, TV, etc. We're not prepared for the reality of real relationships, because we've been sold a ideal that is far removed from the real world. When we meet somebody and it turns sour we blame ourselves, thinking we either aren't good or loveable enough, or that we've been cursed (:) that's my one) or have some kind of anti-relationship trait. When really our problem is we've been indoctrinanted at a very deep level for an early age to have these romantic ideals that probably don't and never did exist.

Personally I've given up and have let those dreams go. That's sad, but it's sadder to be waiting for some future that will probably not materialise. These days I'm more concerned that my spritual practices have gone out the window and cynicism has back crept in. That said I do miss a cuddle:o

Thanks.

I think my goal is now never to fall in love with any one man again.

I'll just have to share my love with the world in general.

To hell with falling "in love".

And all those love songs that cast a spell of co-dependence. :mad:

I think it takes a lot of strength and guts not to hate/ resent someone when they reject you. It would make my life so much easier if my ex, the father of my kids, was able to love me without wanting to control me now we have split up, but I understand how hard this is for him, even though we have nothing we can give each other any more.

I was involved with someone recently who did not act negatively when I broke up with him; I will always be grateful for that.

I have given this other guy a difficult time on occasion (who I've held onto sentimental feelings for so long, despite everything).

I really need to let go, stop feeling sorry for myself and stop being so obsessive. I'm not the only one who is hurting, so many others out there in the world are too.

That was why I started this thread, because I feel that maybe we are wasting our energy on these emotions, emotions resulting as a trick of the chemistry of the brain.

[tracker]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.


I relate to this in so many ways , although I do extremely believe in soul mates .

The Ideal relationship does exist but here is now a trap , please listen .

what is a relationship ?
after all I have a relate--- relation---ship with my children , I am their father and that is my relationship to them .
I have a mother , my relationship is one of blood and family as is my children .

I have working ----------relationships at work .
I have a relationship with many people on the net --- the relate---ionship is one of friendship .

the problem these days is people think that a loving companionship is a relationship . ding ding BUZZER says NO it is NOT !

a man and a woman mayhave a loving companionship , but if they believe it is a--------relationship , then is it any wonder why it is doomed to fail ?
of course not , the word relationship is actually one of a casual nature , or that of being related , and if we convince our self that we are in a relationship when really it should be looked upon as a companionship , the intent and actions including those thoughts will combine together to make it a relationship and not a loving companionship .

its mind and word asociation , convince your self that it is a relationship and it will fail , but if you have a loving companionship or a soul mate ----these words and meanings are completely different to the latter .

if you get my drift ?

too many people think they have a relationship ----------yeah well they might but then they have to realise why they havent found their soul mate .

also

only when we have made peace with our self and can love our self , and respect our self , will we ever find our soul mate , who also is at peace with them self , respects them self , which is why they are ready for the big meeting .

until then , many will settle for second best and have ----------a relationship .

but hay -----lostinstrangeworld , saying what you said is great and i will tell you why .

only when we realise that we do not need another [erson to justify our existance can we begin to find our self .

once that has been acomplished , only good news can come from that .

as the saying goes , when we look for loving companionships , it never happens , when we give up looking for it , bang , there it is .

you do your stuff lostinstrangeworld , if this is what you strongly believe , i can see nothing bad or wrong happening .

you will previal .

:cool:

[breezinreezin]

Thanks.

I think my goal is now never to fall in love with any one man again.

I'll just have to share my love with the world in general.

To hell with falling "in love".

And all those love songs that cast a spell of co-dependence. :mad:

Oh, that might be like not thinking about pink elephants;)

I'd be happy to fall in love, it ain't never happened. I'm like a fortress with a raised draw bridge.

...now if only that fair maiden could swim across the moat, scale the wall, and brave the frozen tundra to my heart:D

[lostinstrangeworld]

People are constantly growing and changing. To think that when you find a partner you will grow in the same direction or accept the change in each other is naive. Some people stick it out for the sake of the children, but even this isn't always in everyone's best interest.

Don't give up on relationships and don't become bitter and closed down because they end. Keep changing and growing and hopefully you will find someone to carry on through part of the journey with you.

I just feel, if it was meant to happen for me, it would have done already......

Something I wrote a while back:

I hate being a woman
I hate having desire
I hate needing, to be filled
I hate feeling attachment
Everything changes, changes
Changes
There's no stable ground
To stand upon
Nothing stays the same
Everything changes
I didn't want
A sea of faces
I only wanted one.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/blacktears-1.jpg

[tracker]

I just feel, if it was meant to happen for me, it would have done already......

Something I wrote a while back:

I hate being a woman
I hate having desire
I hate needing, to be filled
I hate feeling attachment
Everything changes, changes
Changes
There's no stable ground
To stand upon
Nothing stays the same
Everything changes
I didn't want
A sea of faces
I only wanted one.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/blacktears-1.jpg


well it sounds as though this is about to change from what you have said , atleast you do something about it unlike others who let it manifest and get more potent .

you'll do alright lostinstrangeworld .

:cool:

[lostinstrangeworld]

.....

the problem these days is people think that a loving companionship is a relationship . ding ding BUZZER says NO it is NOT !..........


Interesting post, thank you.

Yes, exactly, and I have realized this in the past and a more deeper realization recently. But then things happened to cause old feelings to be raised to the surface once again only to come crashing down in disappointment when I realized I got the wrong idea.

I do realize I don't need another person to make me complete.
But it still doesn't seem to change the fact that I am vulnerable.
I blame my vulnerability COMPLETELY on the fact that I am an intensely romantic of soul.

Is the uni-verse forcing me to change? :confused: :(

:(:(

[tracker]

Interesting post, thank you.

Yes, exactly, and I have realized this in the past and a more deeper realization recently. But then things happened to cause old feelings to be raised to the surface once again only to come crashing down in disappointment when I realized I got the wrong idea.

I do realize I don't need another person to make me complete.
But it still doesn't seem to change the fact that I am vulnerable.
I blame my vulnerability COMPLETELY on the fact that I am an intensely romantic of soul.

Is the uni-verse forcing me to change? :confused: :(

:(:(

well maybe ---------just maybe , these things have happened to show you that you do need to do something about it .
forcing you ? nahhhhhhh , you dont seem that easy .

but yeah , reality might be trying to show you that what you are doing is not the right way , or atleast , why you are here .

seeing it this way , the way you have mentioned , is a healthy open minded way to accept pain with pleasure , and only good things can come from this because it sounds as though you do not resent this possible path that you now believe is infront of you .
with those seeds sewen you can only have a good harvest because the ground has been weeded and howed .

lost' you are going to do so fine out of this , hwoever just one word of warning .
when we take new paths there can be resistance in the beginning from other people .
if you see it or experience it ----------it means you are on the right track .

:cool:

[torus]

hello lost! it's true, in "co-dependent" relationships, those in which the respective partners live in the illusion that they are dependent upon the other for their "happiness" are disabling. anyone we enable, we disable...including ourselves.

[lostinstrangeworld]

The father of my two sons is an interesting kind of guy. He was never able to fully commit to me and spent most of his life never desiring to have a relationship in the conventional sense. He realized at an early age that such deep, intense feelings are based on illusion.
One of his favourite novels is one called "The Great Gatsby" by F. Scott Fitzgerald.
It tells the story of a man who reinvented himself and put all his energy into doing whatever he could to be suitable to maybe one day be reunited with a woman who he fell in love with. It is a tragic tale.

I've thought to myself many times that maybe my ex had the right idea about relationships after all.
But still, I was too stubborn to give up.

It's all a lesson.
The universe is trying to tell me something.
:(

[steevo]

Lostinastrangeworld, are you one of thiose women that like to only date "dickheads" ? This isnt a insult so please dont take it as one, it's a genuine question. I know a few women (more than a few actually) who readily admit that they like the "dickhead" types. Maybe the dickhead types are "wild" and alot of women rightly or wrongly like that sort of bloke.

[lottie]

Ive always found that being content and happy within oneself always attracts the right person at the right time... if you are not happy others sense this. Are you truly happy? Are you strong, confident, complete? content? All of these things exude from you when you truly find these things... and then you attract the right one.

Just a thought! :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

hello lost! it's true, in "co-dependent" relationships, those in which the respective partners live in the illusion that they are dependent upon the other for their "happiness" are disabling. anyone we enable, we disable...including ourselves.

I think it is impossible to be totally non co-dependent, even if you do find your inner strength. Caring about someone and falling into enchantment with them results in them meaning something to you.

We do need to find ourselves and be strong....actually I'm not sure it really matters but it's a good thing....my life path has been one of mainly solitude which has contributed to all that I am....however all paths are different and it is not for one person to judge another and say what is right or wrong....

I do feel however that strength comes from real-eyes-ing that we are connected to all that is...a part of absolutely everyone and everything....not just a few select people who we feel close to. :cool:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Ive always found that being content and happy within oneself always attracts the right person at the right time... if you are not happy others sense this. Are you truly happy? Are you strong, confident, complete? content? All of these things exude from you when you truly find these things... and then you attract the right one.

Just a thought! :)

Slowly getting there.

Thanks.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Lostinastrangeworld, are you one of thiose women that like to only date "dickheads" ? This isnt a insult so please dont take it as one, it's a genuine question. I know a few women (more than a few actually) who readily admit that they like the "dickhead" types. Maybe the dickhead types are "wild" and alot of women rightly or wrongly like that sort of bloke.

I'm attracted to deep, sensitive soulful types who are unable to commit.

[steevo]

I'm attracted to deep, sensitive soulful types who don't want to commit.

Well find one who DOES want to commit, and then youre sorted;) :)

[steevo]

Ive always found that being content and happy within oneself always attracts the right person at the right time... if you are not happy others sense this. Are you truly happy? Are you strong, confident, complete? content? All of these things exude from you when you truly find these things... and then you attract the right one.

Just a thought! :)

And a very good thought it is.

[arty2000]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.

everything is an illusion;)..depends how you choose to experience it..some choose hate others love...some choose to believe the manipulation others want to break free of it,,is there a right and wrong in this illusion?

[les_paul_robot]

Although I believe that quote to be LOGICAL, I think that the quote itself does not take into account human emotions. It's a crap quote, simple as that. I dont know how that quote got so popular. There are FAR better quotes out there.
Btw Lottie, I was not trying to wind you up or anything there. I just think that quote is not a good one. I wasnt criticising you, I was criticising the quote :) Love ya "Lots" :D xx
I agree, I think this one from Yes is much better:

"Owner of a lonely heart is much better than the owner of a broken heart".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWvzZCZF1gw
You're every move you make, so the story goes...

[steevo]

everything is an illusion;)..depends how you choose to experience it..some choose hate others love...some choose to believe the manipulation others want to break free of it,,is there a right and wrong in this illusion?

That is a very good response to the question of whether "relationships are an illusion" :)

[tracker]

everything is an illusion;)..depends how you choose to experience it..some choose hate others love...some choose to believe the manipulation others want to break free of it,,is there a right and wrong in this illusion?

this is exactly what my other thread is about where i say those who believe they are enlightened believe lies and then tell them to us .

an enlightened person does not tell others that only love or hate exists .
this is a polorisation and is false ..
do your religion credit , stop polorising .

:cool:

[asha loka]

everything is an illusion;)

Including illusion.

Or is it? :)

As for relationships - what's wrong with just looking for a happy, fun, relaxed time with people?

Why does it have to be The Most Ultimate Bonding Experience In The History of the World Ever? [tm]

[arty2000]

Including illusion.

Or is it? :)

As for relationships - what's wrong with just looking for a happy, fun, relaxed time with people?

Why does it have to be The Most Ultimate Bonding Experience In The History of the World Ever? [tm]

very nice:)

[noesis]

i'm coming in late in the piece, but i do agree with you Lost. I think we've all been brought up to believe relationships have to be a certain way in order to be right. When it comes down to it, the way we feel in a relationship is more to do with ourselves rather than the other person or the union. If you believe you need to find someone to complete your life you will always be let down. I've been in a relationship for three years and what i've realised is that, if we broke up, i could quite happily live for the rest of my time as a single person (maybe not without my cats though :)).

It's no measure of our relationship, it just highlights that you can quite easily get everything you need to feel whole from yourself. Apologies if this sounds condescending, it's not my intention :)

No offence to any parents on here, but i also dont buy into the fact that men and women must come together to have children. I admire people that do have and raise children but it shouldnt be an expectation.

[lottie]

No offence to any parents on here, but i also dont buy into the fact that men and women must come together to have children. I admire people that do have and raise children but it shouldnt be an expectation.


Thats a whole new thread topic!! lol!! :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

I don't see anything wrong with longing for companionship....not because of not being used to being alone....but because of having been alone for so long. When you know yourself and have looked within and all the rest for a certain amount of time, the time comes when a change from this is needed to bring a balance. Not just with anyone....but someone who blends and harmonizes well with one's own frequency....we're all like melodies/ chords playing our part in this uni-versal symphony. (Sorry if my wording comes out a bit fluffy sometimes; that's me).

One of the most wonderful feelings there is, is when two people who are in love hold each other...feel their skin against their skin....it's innocent, it's pure, it's natural....and it replenishes one's entire being.

At the other end of the spectrum is total rejection and realizing how blind emotions can be.

Love and being in love is not the problem

It's these blind emotions.

[arty2000]

I don't see anything wrong with longing for companionship....not because of not being used to being alone....but because of having been alone for so long. When you know yourself and have looked within and all the rest for a certain amount of time, the time comes when a change from this is needed to bring a balance. Not just with anyone....but someone who blends and harmonizes well with one's own frequency....we're all like melodies/ chords playing our part in this uni-versal symphony. (Sorry if my wording comes out a bit fluffy sometimes; that's me).

One of the most wonderful feelings there is, is when two people who are in love hold each other...feel their skin against their skin....it's innocent, it's pure, it's natural....and it replenishes one's entire being.

At the other end of the spectrum is total rejection and realizing how blind emotions can be.

Love and being in love is not the problem

It's these blind emotions.

maybe problems should be perceived as possibilities not as problems:)

[epic fail guy]

This forum is an illusion. Why am i posting on here?

Love and light to infinity going through all celestial beings on earth.

[amokk1]

Is the Law of Attraction not applicable to this thread? :confused:

[lostinstrangeworld]

I've revised my thoughts.

Love is real, it takes many forms.
Everybody wants to be loved.

The task is, in finding a companion....to find the one who will share and reciprocate the love that is desired to be shared.

It's a bummer when things don't work but life goes on.

Perhaps Deepak Chopra, in one of his books, was correct when he wrote that there are thousands of potentially suitable partners for each person....not just one as we have been brought up to believe from those fairy tales.

Maybe in other dimensions there are other kinds of unity to experience that the union of male and female does not play a part in.
I don't know. :rolleyes:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Also, I don't really believe everything that article on twin flames said, that I posted some time ago. It said that you only find them when you no longer feel the need to find them. I don't think that's true because there are many wonderful people who have devoted their lives to others who aren't with anybody. Usually they don't desire to be with anybody. Without the desire, how can you attract?

I came up with a controversial insight a few years ago.....that desire is the basis of all creation.....desire; movement.

(I wish the neighbors next door would turn down their chavy music, LoL). :rolleyes:

[simplysimon]

Also, I don't really believe everything that article on twin flames said, that I posted some time ago. It said that you only find them when you no longer feel the need to find them. I don't think that's true because there are many wonderful people who have devoted their lives to others who aren't with anybody. Usually they don't desire to be with anybody. Without the desire, how can you attract?

I came up with a controversial insight a few years ago.....that desire is the basis of all creation.....desire; movement.

(I wish the neighbors next door would turn down their chavy music, LoL). :rolleyes:

LISW, your thoughts are the basis for everything you create, you are one of the people that I've noticed that really gets it! Just remember "The Universe" really doesn't care what rules you create for yourself, it still loves you and is currently lining up all the actors for you to get exactly what you have asked for.

"The Universe" already knows how incredible you are, how strong, how sensitive, how kind and how caring. If only you could see yourself as "The Universe" does, you would feel, well, so proud of yourself.

[metacomet]

I think there are alot of frustrated individuals in the world who seek to sabotage the meaning of words like 'relationship' and 'love' and 'soulmates' etc.

I say give it a rest.

Find people in this life who make you happy. If you love them, then love them.

The worst thing you can do is over-think everything.

Yeah, love can hurt. Being without people you love hurts. So what?

Being born into this world hurts but by the time you're 5 years old you forget that pain and have seen plenty of beautiful things, been happy plenty of times etc.

Your love life is the same way. There is alot of pain but don't even kid yourself - it is worth the moments of serenity and happiness.

The only people who stomp around saying 'fuck love' and 'fuck relationships' etc. are those who have gotten wrapped up in bitter thoughts. They are thinking too much.

This world is full of bitter people who think too much.

As to the notion that hormones are the cause of your emotions - that is a materialist mind set and I refuse to accept it.

Your consciousness is what manifests your physical brain - not the other way around.

Your emotional and spiritual body is what manifests hormonal changes in your physical body - not the other way around.

Your anger, disappointment, self-pity and desire is what spawns the pain inside your hearts considering the topic of love etc. Not the other way around.

We all know the 'love yourself first' rule. It's there for a reason.

So that you can't stomp around being a miserable bastard and blaming your spouse, your partner, or whoever. The rule is that you must confront yourself first. Again - more reason to not hang all of your hopes, dreams, and frustrations on romantic definitions like 'relationships' etc.

Free yourself. Love is not a burden until you feel you are in debt to it (i.e. you feel you have a deficit of it). The only option then is not to say 'well, fuck love altogether'... you're just going to dig that deficit even deeper.

Hope this makes sense.

[lottie]

Also... i know it sounds cliche but i honestly swear by this... what seems to be 'bad' or a negative situation... is always for a reason... its prepares you for the next phase of whats to come or teaches you something... everything happens for a reason... i always tell myself that when things seem shitty... and im always right... when its good again i look back and you can always trace back and say 'if that shitty thing hadnt happened.. then this great thing couldnt have happened.

Think of it like Icke says... your higher self sees further down the river than you... while you're in the boat... all you can see is whats at eye level... the approaching rocks and the rapids... but the higher self can see further down the river round the corner where after the rapids and the rocks there's peaceful calm waters and lovely things ahead! :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

LISW, your thoughts are the basis for everything you create, you are one of the people that I've noticed that really gets it! Just remember "The Universe" really doesn't care what rules you create for yourself, it still loves you and is currently lining up all the actors for you to get exactly what you have asked for.

"The Universe" already knows how incredible you are, how strong, how sensitive, how kind and how caring. If only you could see yourself as "The Universe" does, you would feel, well, so proud of yourself.

Well I think I'm going to ride off gallantly into the forest toward Rivendell, on a beautiful horse on a gentle enchanted moonlit night.

[metacomet]

I just feel, if it was meant to happen for me, it would have done already......


Well stop that.

You aren't some 70 year old woman in a rocking chair looking back on a life long gone or something. It's incredible to me how many young women are acting like that nowadays.


Something I wrote a while back:

I hate being a woman
I hate having desire
I hate needing, to be filled
I hate feeling attachment

That is a really nice poem, and I just want to say one thing:

We (men) love you (women) for being that way. We know all about desire but not like you do. Women know desire in an incredible way, far outside our comprehension. That's why they need to be protected and taught how to direct desire in positive fashion. What happens now-a-days is we have millions of damsels-in-distress who feel completely lost. Just drowning in desire.

Forgive the sexual connontation here but it's good that women need to be filled. If you didn't have peaks and valleys we (men) wouldn't have a clue where to run our rivers. We need that outlet.

I don't want to diss my gender behind their backs or anything but there is a significant shortage of real men on this planet right now. They don't have enough substance to give anything of themself, and if they did, they wouldn't know where to give it. But when a real man walks by a woman who is in that mode of needing to be filled he can literally sense it like a dog hears a dog whistle.

So again... we need you to be all of the ways you hate being :p Sorry.

[simplysimon]

Well I think I'm going to ride off gallantly into the forest toward Rivendell, on a beautiful horse on a gentle enchanted moonlit night.

Rivendell, was so beautifully described by Tolkien. I'd settle for riding to Rivendell on a three legged donkey myself and it could be pouring with rain and blowing a gale. What a blast that would be :)

[ste_mc]

I've revised my thoughts.



Perhaps Deepak Chopra, in one of his books, was correct when he wrote that there are thousands of potentially suitable partners for each person....not just one as we have been brought up to believe from those fairy tales.

:rolleyes:



Everything is temporary, we learn to make do. Chopra's cheeky line is common sense.

[metacomet]

It does sort of suck that we can't keep the things we love. Not in this life, and certainly not when we pass to the next.

I do think being able to let go is something that the soul is meant to learn in order to prepare us for the death experience, and prepare us to be independent enough to make it through dimensions/worlds after this one.

"Relationships" or "falling in love" are a fantastic lesson in letting go of what you otherwise think you need or cannot live without. It's a hard lesson, but an important one.

[torus]

I'm attracted to deep, sensitive soulful types who are unable to commit.

we should talk!!;)

[torus]

Where will you be when you're not here.
How many lives in this earth time.
You are my soul and this you are.
Two souls intertwined,
That's what we are.

We can, we walk, hand in hand,
All the life,
Be the one, everything to me;
You, I am dreaming.
We have lived and known before,
I feel it.

Where will you lie.

When will I know when you are gone.
Where will I be, and will I miss you.
We are this love in this life,
Two souls intertwined like once before.
See this meeting, hand in hand,
Every life,
Be the one, everything to me;
You are my feeling.

No need to fear this love of life,
We are the truth of every earth life.
No need to fear this life at all,
We are the sun and everlasting life.
Where will you be hearing this song.
How many lives in this earth time.
You are my soul and this you are.
You are my soul and this you are.
-Anderson, Rabin

From YES, talk

[sevenworlds]

Also, I don't really believe everything that article on twin flames said, that I posted some time ago. It said that you only find them when you no longer feel the need to find them. I don't think that's true because there are many wonderful people who have devoted their lives to others who aren't with anybody. Usually they don't desire to be with anybody. Without the desire, how can you attract?

I came up with a controversial insight a few years ago.....that desire is the basis of all creation.....desire; movement.

Devoting your life to others is still a desire. A so-called 'good' desire is still a desire.

The trouble with this kind of advice - that you only get what you want (ie. a partner) when you give up the desire - is there is still a desire in operation. You are attempting to give up desire to get something still. So you're not giving up desire at all. So, I wouldn't pay any attention to that kind of rubbish.

What is there is a sexual desire. All attempts at suppressing that are bound to fail. The problem isn't this sexual desire but that we put this artificial thing on top of that called a 'relationship'. Relationship is time. The only thing that was real was the sexual urge or desire in a given moment but we want this to be permanent so we invent a relationship. Our misery with each other starts there.

[simplysimon]

Devoting your life to others is still a desire. A so-called 'good' desire is still a desire.

The trouble with this kind of advice - that you only get what you want (ie. a partner) when you give up the desire - is there is still a desire in operation. You are attempting to give up desire to get something still. So you're not giving up desire at all. So, I wouldn't pay any attention to that kind of rubbish.

What is there is a sexual desire. All attempts at suppressing that are bound to fail. The problem isn't this sexual desire but that we put this artificial thing on top of that called a 'relationship'. Relationship is time. The only thing that was real was the sexual urge or desire in a given moment but we want this to be permanent so we invent a relationship. Our misery with each other starts there.

I'm not sure about this, I think we get what we want/think about when we become detached from the outcome. I also don't believe that the desire for a relationship is purely a sexual motivation, although that can be part of it. I think if the approach to a relationship is from sexual motivation then that relationship will quickly fade away.

Is the balance of infinite love infinite sorrow?

[sevenworlds]

I'm not sure about this, I think we get what we want/think about when we become detached from the outcome. I also don't believe that the desire for a relationship is purely a sexual motivation, although that can be part of it. I think if the approach to a relationship is from sexual motivation then that relationship will quickly fade away.

Is the balance of infinite love infinite sorrow?

But how can we become detached from the outcome? Who is it that is becoming detached? The one who says that already has another outcome in mind - "if I become detached I will get what I want". So we're back to square one.

All relationships are about what we can get out of them. Sex is the primary motive in a boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife one, otherwise we wouldn't have invented those relationships. We'd be content with the family and friend ones we already have. Those are no better either.

Most sexual relationships begin with lust. You are attracted sexually in some way to that person and then once the relationship has been established you settle into this comfort zone. As long as both are getting what they want it is fine. So we try to manipulate the situation to keep that going. After a while it gets too difficult to keep that up and one way or another the relationship ends and we go looking for another. Alternatively, you remain married in misery for the rest of your lives. Really all the time we are terrified of being alone.

[simplysimon]

I'll try to explain what I mean by being detached. Let's say that you are trying to find a "soulmate". Until we decide that we are complete without them, we are attached to the idea that we need someone else to complete us. Almost as soon as we realise that we are complete, we have become detached from the idea that we need to find that "soulmate". This is when they turn up!

Approaching a relationship from the ego's perspective, yes, I agree, it's about lust and what the ego can get from the relationship. I believe that when we stop looking with our eyes and ego and look from our hearts the foundations of the relationship can be different.

I'm sure that you'll have met or walked past people that make you shiver or just go wow! and not just because of the way they look.

I can only speak for myself when I say that I'm not terrified of being alone, the Earth experience is a huge adventure and exploration of self. I believe that one of the biggest challenges we face while we are here is to learn to love ourselves, both the light and dark sides of ourselves. Once we realise just how incredible we are and what a privilege it is to be here (moreso than ever at the current time), this experience becomes truly awe inspiring. It is after all just an experience and we get to choose how we feel about it.

I saw a couple in their early 70's today, they looked like they had been married forever, smiling and holding hands as they walked and still looking at each other. Whether or not we see the beauty around us, it is still there.

[drooh]

Think of how hyped relationships are.

'There's someone out there for everyone', all that saccharine BS. Even if you do some how meet someone compatible, there's hundreds others who go through life and don't meet their special person.

They endure the turmoil of searching endlessly thinking another person will 'complete' them. Humbug I say... Relationships bring lives into the world.

Too many people on Earth already, look at the state of it too! :D

Think of how more free you are when you're not in a relationship. Relatively I mean. ;)

Why suffer the hassle of being in one?

But don't listen to me I'm perpetually single. That said at age 28 I don't so much as yearn for a relationship.

A sex life would be nice, but I don't want any relationship to go with it.

Then again... Too proud to buy the former, too apathetic for the latter.

*is a typical gemini apparently*

World is in love with being the idea of being in love. Not enough people spend enough time on their own, getting used to their own company I say.

[metacomet]

I'm not sure about this, I think we get what we want/think about when we become detached from the outcome.

That is totally true.

Is that the power of unconditional love?

You can only truly have love if it's unconditional - i.e. you aren't concerned with an outcome either way.

I also don't believe that the desire for a relationship is purely a sexual motivation

It is definitely a mixture of spiritual and sexual compatibility. Many people lack this in their 'relationship' so they put on an act.

[simplysimon]

That is totally true.

Is that the power of unconditional love?

You can only truly have love if it's unconditional - i.e. you aren't concerned with an outcome either way.



It is definitely a mixture of spiritual and sexual compatibility. Many people lack this in their 'relationship' so they put on an act.

I also feel that the people that have the greatest understanding about commitment are the ones that are most uncomfortable with commitment.

So many relationships seem to be built on lust in our current times, then we see the issues that have been created by this. I'm not criticising casual relationships here either, just observing.

I believe unconditional love is something we should all strive for, although I'm not convinced that it is attainable. Killing off our egos is a great start though, closely followed by transcending fear as the next step maybe :)

[metacomet]

there's hundreds others who go through life and don't meet their special person.

Totally true. They usually end up settling for much less or someone less than they deserve.

Too many people on Earth already, look at the state of it too! :D

No comment. Human beings can be infinite in number if we didn't allow resources to be stolen and locked up.

Think of how more free you are when you're not in a relationship. Relatively I mean. ;)

It's pretty awesome :p. Freedom that is.

Why suffer the hassle of being in one?

Some people lack substance and require arm-candy to trick themselves into thinking they are complete. :rolleyes: Reminds me of my friend... and his gf. Hey, I guess people do deserve what they get.

But don't listen to me I'm perpetually single. That said at age 28 I don't so much as yearn for a relationship

A sex life would be nice, but I don't want any relationship to go with it.

Sex is a relationship. You mean you don't want to slap a chain on her ankle once she leaves the bed. That attitude will really help you in the long run, keep it up.

Then again... Too proud to buy the former, too apathetic for the latter.

You're not too 'proud' for the relationship thing you're just smart :p

As far as the apathy for getting a sex life of some sort, I would say it's more of an issue of not wanting to sell yourself out for it. Sooner or later your blood will boil and your testosterone levels will spike and if you take that as an oppurtunity to become a sex magnet it will happen! Problem with most guys is they completely lack the passion to get to that point. Passion and the testosterone.

Not enough people spend enough time on their own, getting used to their own company I say.

Yeah it's pretty sad how many people are terrified of being alone with themself... there is a pit or a void inside them and they feel like they're going to fall into it and have to admit to themselves that they have no spiritual substance whatsoever.

[sevenworlds]

I'll try to explain what I mean by being detached. Let's say that you are trying to find a "soulmate". Until we decide that we are complete without them, we are attached to the idea that we need someone else to complete us. Almost as soon as we realise that we are complete, we have become detached from the idea that we need to find that "soulmate". This is when they turn up!

I hear what you're saying but what I'm trying to point out is how can we decide we are complete without them? Who is deciding? It is just another belief, a new position we have taken. Whether you believe you must find a soul-mate or whether you believe you are complete without one is irrelevant.

I'm sure that you'll have met or walked past people that make you shiver or just go wow! and not just because of the way they look.

That's all just feelings, sensations - thought playing tricks. I can recognise beauty through my conditioning but it can't influence me. If you take away the conditioning society has programmed into you, then there is beauty in everything. Or in fact no such thing as beauty at all because you wouldn't even know what you're looking at.

I saw a couple in their early 70's today, they looked like they had been married forever, smiling and holding hands as they walked and still looking at each other. Whether or not we see the beauty around us, it is still there.

Maybe they had just won the lottery. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

[drooh]

I don't ascribe a spiritual dimension to the process of human beings seeking out relationships other than survival functions we're evolutionarily wired to have in order to help us proliferate the species.

As a non-spiritual, athiest humanist I think we're fundamentally only here to reproduce. Don't take me as representative of all humanists though, please.

Based on this view, I perceive that relationships are the dynamic social constructs we erect around the process of seeking out relationships towards the ends of reproducing and increasing our survival odds.

As well as physical evolution though, we've socially evolved to disguise or build upon the processes of addressing our needs. We use the framework of a relationship and love to obscure our animal urges and discard the disgust of acting brazenly upon them.

Perhaps I have joylessly explained away the process of seeking out love etc.

I do see the purpose for the social framework we put in place around addressing our base needs, however I don't believe in explaining them away with subjective, abstract and spiritual rationale.

Sensations and emotions to me are chemical processes. That doesn't mean they're not wonderful, but they're experienced/felt in order for the person feeling them to address a biomechanical need.

We're sophisticated creatures yes, but we're still animals.

[simplysimon]

I hear what you're saying but what I'm trying to point out is how can we decide we are complete without them? Who is deciding? It is just another belief, a new position we have taken.
I don't believe that we need to be concerned with how we decide we are complete, rather, discover ourselves to know we are complete.

Whether you believe you must find a soul-mate or whether you believe you are complete without one is irrelevant.


Absolutely irrelevant, I agree. However life has a funny way of working itself out :)


That's all just feelings, sensations - thought playing tricks. I can recognise beauty through my conditioning but it can't influence me. If you take away the conditioning society has programmed into you, then there is beauty in everything. Or in fact no such thing as beauty at all because you wouldn't even know what you're looking at.


Ah, when you allow beauty to influence you, your whole perspective can change (not referring to just the beauty of a pretty girl here)


Maybe they had just won the lottery. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

Maybe they did just win the lottery, that wasn't my perception though, perhaps my perception was wrong, no, this is my reality and I like that perception :)

[metacomet]

Perhaps I have joylessly explained away the process of seeking out love etc.

LOL, don't worry, all atheist materialists do that :p

Sensations and emotions to me are chemical processes.

If I told you that was a totally predictable statement, would you find that offensive?

What is it that manifests material reality and the very chemicals themselves? Stars gave birth to the elements that create those chemicals. Do you know that the universe has many dimensions as proven by quantum physics? Can you not agree that there are dimensional properties to existence that we don't understand?

Maybe that would be an easier way to explain complicated things like 'love' than just chemical processes or spiritual labeling.


We're sophisticated creatures yes, but we're still animals.

It's fun to be both an animal in bed and a saint in the head.

[sevenworlds]

Ah, when you allow beauty to influence you, your whole perspective can change (not referring to just the beauty of a pretty girl here)

Me neither. There is no such thing as beauty. Beauty of any kind is conditioned. Whether you are looking at a flower, a sunset or a pretty girl, it's all programmed in. Beauty only comes through recognition and recognition is knowledge.

Maybe they did just win the lottery, that wasn't my perception though, perhaps my perception was wrong, no, this is my reality and I like that perception :)

Yeah, you took a mental snapshot of a moment and built an imagined story around it. That's what we all do with our relationships and what we've been encouraged to do. The happy endings of the movies, endless love songs, poems and stories we've been hammered with for centuries. I'm not saying anything against it, just that is how it is.

[asha loka]

Do you know that the universe has many dimensions as proven by quantum physics?

I don't think the word 'dimension' - as proven in quantum physics - means what you think it means.

Can you not agree that there are dimensional properties to existence that we don't understand?

If we don't understand them, what use are they?

[drooh]

LOL, don't worry, all atheist materialists do that :p



If I told you that was a totally predictable statement, would you find that offensive?

What is it that manifests material reality and the very chemicals themselves? Stars gave birth to the elements that create those chemicals. Do you know that the universe has many dimensions as proven by quantum physics? Can you not agree that there are dimensional properties to existence that we don't understand?

Maybe that would be an easier way to explain complicated things like 'love' than just chemical processes or spiritual labeling.

It's fun to be both an animal in bed and a saint in the head.

I don't take any offence. I'll admit, I'm pretty robotic and passionless when it comes to my views on certain things.

And it would be boring if everyone agreed. That we can amicably disagree and take something away from any communication is one of the simple pleasures of life in my view. :)

As for your observation on material reality, quantum physics et al, there are things that we don't understand I agree. Perhaps our science will improve and we'll know one day - I find the unknown to add a great mystery and beauty to the factor of perceiving the everyday world but that's not to say such things will always be beyond knowing.

Perhaps we'll never know and should be happy with that. I see such things as challenges to understand as opposed to beautiful mysteries to accept. :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

Where will you be when you're not here.
How many lives in this earth time.
You are my soul and this you are.
Two souls intertwined,
That's what we are.

We can, we walk, hand in hand,
All the life,
Be the one, everything to me;
You, I am dreaming.
We have lived and known before,
I feel it.

Where will you lie.

When will I know when you are gone.
Where will I be, and will I miss you.
We are this love in this life,
Two souls intertwined like once before.
See this meeting, hand in hand,
Every life,
Be the one, everything to me;
You are my feeling.

No need to fear this love of life,
We are the truth of every earth life.
No need to fear this life at all,
We are the sun and everlasting life.
Where will you be hearing this song.
How many lives in this earth time.
You are my soul and this you are.
You are my soul and this you are.
-Anderson, Rabin

From YES, talk

That's really beautiful.

[lostinstrangeworld]

So much analysis here, no offense but I don't feel like reading it all.

If people are happy on their own then so be it, good for them.

If people enjoy intimacy and thrive on being deeply romantic about life then once again, so be it.

It is not our business to tell others the way to walk their path....or we'd all be the same. Life isn't like that. It's beautifully deep and rich with diversity!


When we get what we want, life is joyful and blissful.

I believe abundance is how things were meant to be.

Scarcity is an illusion.


Sometimes what we want isn't always what we need.
I'll just have to believe that there is a reason for the way things are.
We'll just have to keep faith that everything will work out in the end.


The universe is incredible....the mathematical wonder of the order to it we are just beginning to once again understand.

I'll get what I seek!
It'll all work out.
Ohhhh yes! :D

[dodie]

.I don't believe that we need to be concerned with how we decide we are complete, rather, discover ourselves to know we are complete.



Absolutely irrelevant, I agree. However life has a funny way of working itself out :)



Ah, when you allow beauty to influence you, your whole perspective can change (not referring to just the beauty of a pretty girl here)



Maybe they did just win the lottery, that wasn't my perception though, perhaps my perception was wrong, no, this is my reality and I like that perception :)

Those are good posts from you and sevenworlds:)

The posts also showed how the construct of words,can tell a million stories,even when you are on the same wavelength as you guys are,saying the same things,but not sure if you are expressing the same meaning.

Perception ah the storyteller in the midst,this living entity exists on many levels,perception filters screening those levels,building the storyline around that 3d world you are looking at,incessantly babbling, always trying to keep your attention focused on it and its projection,and its story.

When there is no perception,and you observe this world,in a state of neutrality{silence},{and if the babble is still there,let it flow,but not influence you} accepting your experience in its totality,as it comes to you,in the moment of now,without the babble/perception/preconceived ideas/storyline, then you will truly experience,what you want to experience in this reality.

You stop creating a future around these experiences,and experience them now.

The silence{now},will create a better reality,than thought{past future},within the same experience.

[simplysimon]

If we don't understand them, what use are they?

Did you know that your mobile phone (if you have one) and the computer you used to make this post are not fully understood!

In the microprocessors of most modern devices you end up with an equation of x + infinity over y + infinity. To get the devices working the inifinities are cancelled out which is mathematically incorrect.

Nobody understands why the devices still work :)

[asha loka]

Did you know that your mobile phone (if you have one) and the computer you used to make this post are not fully understood!

In the microprocessors of most modern devices you end up with an equation of x + infinity over y + infinity. To get the devices working the inifinities are cancelled out which is mathematically incorrect.

Nobody understands why the devices still work :)

Source? :rolleyes:

[simplysimon]

I can't remember exactly :(

Google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=cancelling+infinities+in+equations&meta=&aq=f&oq=)

It may have come from the book In Search of Schrodingers Cat

[asha loka]

At best you're not quite understanding a lot of different things there, including basic calculus, which gets useful things out of dividing one almost infinitely small thing by another almost infinitely small thing, and renormalisation processes in quantum physics, which are a bit different.

Neither of those has anything to do with microprocessors. Just saying.

But this is supposed to be a relationship thread, so I'll leave it there.

[fromthatshow]

The thing that hurts most about relationships is when you loose someone. "The one that got away, etc." But that is just an experience of this physical/dream world. Loss is what it's all about. You can't win here. You can't beat the dream, only slowly awaken from it, and realize you're never alone, and always loved :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

The thing that hurts most about relationships is when you loose someone. "The one that got away, etc." But that is just an experience of this physical/dream world. Loss is what it's all about. You can't win here. You can't beat the dream, only slowly awaken from it, and realize you're never alone, and always loved :D

I know....but being a part of the physical world creates a need for doing aside from being.......I'm happy enough to zone out and be at peace/ at one with the beauty of nature around me.....but after that, what then? Life seems to be a series of moments, layer after layer.....we can't just be here and do nothing. Maybe it's about balance. Anyway, I just think that closeness of companionship is a great way to remember that oneness. Every time a hug is shared with a love one it restores the inner being...like when I was cuddling my little one earlier....I closed my eyes....bliss.

I have had some wonderful times with people and a few friends in my life who I've been close to. (I've always preferred deep friendships to popularity). But anyway....things change, people move on....carry on with their lives.

The idea of something more permanent and lasting....sounds deeply beautiful and romantic to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9VXEIvztkc

I'd much prefer that to being a "free spirit".


*Sigh*.


Oh, and I'm sorry if I was a bit brash in my post previous to this one.
Just been feeling a little down today.

[lucas84]

Me neither. There is no such thing as beauty. Beauty of any kind is conditioned. Whether you are looking at a flower, a sunset or a pretty girl, it's all programmed in. Beauty only comes through recognition and recognition is knowledge.



Yeah, you took a mental snapshot of a moment and built an imagined story around it. That's what we all do with our relationships and what we've been encouraged to do. The happy endings of the movies, endless love songs, poems and stories we've been hammered with for centuries. I'm not saying anything against it, just that is how it is.

I just about stumped my mind with this one.

If Beauty is programmed into us, then everything is programmed into us, including the flicker of different contrasts of light coming off of the computer screen that we stare at for hours. A cat doesn't see anything when it looks at the computer, but we see black blotches, squiggles and lines that become letters, letters become words, words become a language.

(Language is just patterns of sounds conditioned within our mind to mean something and we further condition ourselves by believing in these sounds to be the truth (which is just another sound), we put feelings and emotional energy behind the patterns of sounds and live by them and try to press them onto others (conditioning them too). )

Yet if we weren't conditioned to put the squiggles and blotches on the computer screen together to mean something, or couldn't even recognize them as being there in the first place (like the cat), then what's on the computer screen would be completely meaningless.

Maybe the mind's perception of the language of God is similar to the cat's perception of a computer screen. Maybe the blotches of different colors on a piece of wood, and the angles of which the branches on a tree are reflecting the sun's light, and the way the wind moves the leaves, and everything else all around you in which there is to experienced at that very moment, exactly where you are to be experiencing it, can be read. But not read or understood with the limited/limiting mind, but with the sensations of the body, and the mind, and the spirit, and all of the other inconceivable sensations we don't have words for. If that language could be read and understood then maybe it would tell us the story of the history of the universe and the meanings of life and the other questions that can't be answered with mere words but only with a sense of knowing and of content.

Conditioning...

Two people sitting next to me talking about the end of the world are able to bring up all sorts of emotions and discomfort in the mind and body, but if those two people were speaking in a language I didn't understand then it would be meaningless and would not be stressful to listen to. Almost makes me wish I didn't know any language to begin with, then I wouldn't have any stress. But then again, how will I ever be able to fully experience the beauty and peace of reality if I never overcome or break free from the attachment to the mind/illusion?

Just wish there was an off button.

-Luke

[simplysimon]

Oh, and I'm sorry if I was a bit brash in my post previous to this one.
Just been feeling a little down today.

Just got up and read this, thank you :)

It takes huge awareness to write that. Have a better day today :)

[soul_traveller]

This is all programming and exactly what the illumanti want you to think.

Denying our own sexual creativity is denying the Creative God Force within.

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.

[lostinstrangeworld]

This is all programming and exactly what the illumanti want you to think.

Denying our own sexual creativity is denying the Creative God Force within.

Interesting, good point.


I am often at odds with the idea that "this is the world of illusion" as some Buddhist monks chant......and the idea that there is a balance somewhere.

I think, there must be.
There must be a point to all this.

If we are all part of the source, there must be a reason why we came here.
What goes on here, in life, is certainly no trivial matter.

[lostinstrangeworld]

When I am clear of confusion, I feel it inside.

[simplysimon]

Delerium Ft. Sarah McLachlan - Silence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjtxevtvdEw)

Give me release
Witness me
I am outside
Give me peace

Heaven holds a sense of wonder And I wanted to
believe that I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides

Passion chokes the flower
until she cries no more
Possesing all the beauty
hungry still for more

Heaven holds a sense of wonder And I wanted to
believe that I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides

In this white wave I am sinking in this silence
In this white wave...in this silence...I believe

I can't help longing
comfort me
I can't hold it all in"
if you won't let me

Heaven holds a sense of wonder And I wanted to
believe that I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides

In this white wave I am sinking in this silence
In this white wave...in this silence...I believe
I have seen you...in this white wave you are silent
you are breathing in this white wave...I am free

[marpat]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.

There may be no soul mates but there are compatible people. Relationships may not be eternal but this does not make them illusions. The whole eastern idea of illusion is based in the idea of impermenance rather than falsehood.

Something may not last long but that does not make it bad or wrong, just spent.

[soul_traveller]

Yes, I agree that its an illusion but it seems that people take it to extremes. I would say its an illusion but only to the point where its not the real stuff behind creation - if that makes sense.

While I do use the term "its all an illusion" on my postings - I do feel the term is misleading and not really a good path to go down as it would mean denying the physical.

I've been reading some of Stewart Swerdlow's material and in particular "True Reality of Sexuality". While I don't agree with everything he says there - I find it difficult to disagree on most things in the book! Its worth looking at if you are having challenges with relationships like myself. They also have sexual affirmations intended to pull the right kind of partner into your life or to help you look at aspects of your sexuality that one might not want to look at.

Gerald O Donnell (website: www.probablefuture.com)also touches on this concept in the later part of the Remote Influencing course about using the sexual act with the intend give birth to highly gifted children and using the Orgasm with a commited partner to achieve and tune into higher pleasurable waves of vibrations and for manifestationing what you desire.

The concept and it has been a guarded secret of old by manipulators is using sexuality and orgasms for powerful manifestations. Everyone talks about using meditation, visualisations and affirmations etc, for manifesting what you want but no one talks about how our sexuality and orgasm (really a state of being or meditation) is directly related to the God-Mind within. The Illumaniti have tried to undermine it in the public eye by saying it is bad or a distraction and creating belief systems (religions) that cause people to go to the extremes and low self-esteem (celibrate and porn). While the bloodlines use it for their own agendas and manifesting what they want in the world. They are simply using it for negative intent and against the people.

Interesting, good point.


I am often at odds with the idea that "this is the world of illusion" as some Buddhist monks chant......and the idea that there is a balance somewhere.

I think, there must be.
There must be a point to all this.

If we are all part of the source, there must be a reason why we came here.
What goes on here, in life, is certainly no trivial matter.

[sevenworlds]

Something may not last long but that does not make it bad or wrong, just spent.

Exactly. It is our desire for permanence that is the problem, not desire itself. It is because we name and build ideas around our contact with others that causes misery. As soon as you have introduced the idea of 'husband' or 'wife', you are already demanding - consciously or subconsciously - that you will be together for the rest of your lives. 'Boyfriend' and 'girlfriend' are no better, only that the expected lifespan of the relationship doesn't carry as much weight. So then you struggle to hold onto the relationship when it may be well past its sell by date.

What's wrong with accepting the inevitability that people are always coming and going? Some will happen to remain with you the duration of your time here and some will go elsewhere. Sometimes the ones we count on the most desert us while the ones you least expect hang around.

[marpat]

Exactly. It is our desire for permanence that is the problem, not desire itself. It is because we name and build ideas around our contact with others that causes misery. As soon as you have introduced the idea of 'husband' or 'wife', you are already demanding - consciously or subconsciously - that you will be together for the rest of your lives. 'Boyfriend' and 'girlfriend' are no better, only that the expected lifespan of the relationship doesn't carry as much weight. So then you struggle to hold onto the relationship when it may be well past its sell by date.

What's wrong with accepting the inevitability that people are always coming and going? Some will happen to remain with you the duration of your time here and some will go elsewhere. Sometimes the ones we count on the most desert us while the ones you least expect hang around.

I think people are conditioned to think of relationships as some fixed permenant thing. It is hard if a split is not mutually accepted and I think this is why the most dependent people will always hold out for the idea of 'the special one', who will never leave them or hurt them.

As it say in liber AL, 'Only love can unite the divided, all else is but a curse'. To hang on to spent relationships is surely an unpleasant and painful choice.

[sevenworlds]

I think people are conditioned to think of relationships as some fixed permenant thing.

Yes, because they are first conditioned to think of themselves as a permanent entity. It all boils down to that. So we use other people to help in convincing ourselves that we are permanent. To establish a long-term relationship with someone in a world that is constantly changing, constantly unpredictable gives us a safe retreat. We do it with everything but relationships are a big one. Getting a mortgage and getting married are one in the same. We believe by signing some official paper or going through some authoritative ritual it will somehow give us extra security. But your wife is just as likely to leave you or die as your girlfriend is, just as your bought property has as much chance of going up in flames as a rented one.

Just like this...
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090617/tuk-bride-to-be-dumps-porn-star-fianc-dba1618.html

Bride-to-be dumps porn star fiancé
Wednesday, June 17 11:22 am

A woman has cancelled her church wedding just weeks before her big day after discovering her fiancé is a porn star.

Haylie Hocking, 27, from Bristol, was set for her dream wedding and lavish country house reception but a friend spotted her other half, personal trainer Jason Brake, 30, in a porn movie.

The friend is said to have been looking for a male stripper online for Miss Hocking's hen night when she spotted a movie clip with Mr Brake in it.

The couple met in 2008 at the garage where she worked and Miss Hocking described him as romantic and a "passionate lover".

He moved into her flat after dating for six months and later proposed, buying her a diamond engagement ring.

Mr Brake, who had often gone away for weekends saying he was holding training sessions with clients, admitted he had been making a living from porn but said it was "only acting" and that he would have given up his career if she'd asked.

[asha loka]

Getting a mortgage and getting married are one in the same.

So many possible funnies, so little time. :)

[metacomet]

Maybe the blotches of different colors on a piece of wood, and the angles of which the branches on a tree are reflecting the sun's light, and the way the wind moves the leaves, and everything else all around you in which there is to experienced at that very moment, exactly where you are to be experiencing it, can be read.

Lucas, for having been your first post, I can honestly say, you and I would have alot to talk about. Good to have you on the board. That was an excellent post and I'm not surprised to see it was passed up. Lots of personal spotlighting going on in this thread. *shamelessly plugs own post*


http://davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1044659&postcount=196

But the nature of reality is such that if one is to receive signs the universe will use any available prop in the persons life to negotiate those signs into your awareness.

[mauviene]

Form is an illusion..

Relationships are not form they are abstraction..

therefore they do not exist in form..

So they are not an illusion..they are nonexistent.

[lostinstrangeworld]

We have so much love to give
And so much love to share
Arms that ache to hold.
Her man is the Sun
That shines,
Her life-giving strength.

Woman, cast aside
Rejected, torn, unloved
Waning, as the Moon
Retiring, into the shadows.
Help her to give.
To shine her love once more.

We are delicate;
We are crazy
We can be strong and wise.
But sometimes, it's so hard
The soul grows weary
For love and for rest.

I am an empty vessel.
Fill me with your light.
Merging, dissolving; a love so deep.
Let me wake up
Content in your arms.
And whole.

Make love to a woman you love.
Make love to a woman you admire.
Society is disintegrating
Teenagers are depressed
Heart-broken, cast aside
Tears and Pain turn to poison.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzsygOoFFbI

To really love a woman
To understand her
You've got to know it deep inside
Hear every thought see every dream
And give her wings when she wants to fly
And when you find yourself lying helpless in her arms
You know you really love a woman

When you love a woman
You tell her that she's really wanted
When you love a woman
You tell her that she's the one
She needs somebody
To tell her that it's gonna last forever
So tell me have you ever really
Really, reallly
Ever loved a woman?

To really love a woman
To let her hold you
Till you know how she needs to be touched
You've gotta breath her
And really taste her
Until you can feel her in your blood
When you can see your unborn children in her eyes
You know you really love a woman

When you love a woman
You tell her that she's really wanted
When you love a woman
You tell that she's the one
She needs somebody
To tell her that you'll always be together
So tell me have you've ever really,
Really, really ever loved a woman?

You've got to give her some faith
Hold her tight
A little tenderness
You've gotta treat her right
She will be there foryou
Taking good care of you
(you've really gotta love your woman) (yeah)
And when you find yourself lying helpless in her arms
You know you really love a woman

When you love a woman
You tell her that she's really wanted
When you love a woman
You tell her that she's the one
She needs somebody
To tell her that it's gonna last forever
So tell me have you ever, really
Really, really, ever loved a woman?
Just tell me have you ever really,
Really, really, ever loved a woman?
Just tell me have you ever really,
Really, really, ever loved a woman?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Oh, I can dream, I can dream I can dream.....

As long as I live I can always dream :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9VXEIvztkc

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwjz9b6rrKk

[simplysimon]

Oh, I can dream, I can dream I can dream.....

As long as I live I can always dream :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9VXEIvztkc

Mmm, and there's nobody more deserving of their dreams to come true!

You do KNOW that, don't you :)

[deca]

I'm attracted to deep, sensitive soulful types who are unable to commit.

want some lounge lizard tell you some crap you want to hear so you drop you knickers then fuck off when you start to realize hes full of shit???

probably get you in debt , nick your good cds etc.....

and you say oh I love him???

[lostinstrangeworld]

Mmm, and there's nobody more deserving of their dreams to come true!

You do KNOW that, don't you :)

Dreams don't come true, but it's still nice to escape in them. :)

<3

[lostinstrangeworld]

want some lounge lizard tell you some crap you want to hear so you drop you knickers then fuck off when you start to realize hes full of shit???

probably get you in debt , nick your good cds etc.....

and you say oh I love him???

Hey, chill the course language....I have Venus in Cancer....I'm sensitive and refined. :p


Well actually...being a Gemini...I'm a bit of a complex mixture of many things. :rolleyes:
:o

[simplysimon]

Dreams don't come true, but it's still nice to escape in them. :)

<3

Don't ever, ever stop believing in your dreams. Patience is a curse and a virtue. Just remember, the only reason you can have those dreams is that you have been blessed with them. You DO have time.

[simplysimon]

Well actually...being a Gemini...I'm a bit of a complex mixture of many things. :rolleyes:
:o

And that will be the understatement of the day :D

[deca]

Hey, chill the course language....I have Venus in Cancer....I'm sensitive and refined. :p


Well actually...being a Gemini...I'm a bit of a complex mixture of many things. :rolleyes:
:o

I have something that rhymes with Venus not sure I want to dip it into cancer thou ???? not my idea of a good time.:D

Well actually...being a Gemini...I'm a bit of a complex mixture of many things

does that mean you are into S&M ??? or I am on the wrong web site????



I am only have a bit fun ok

[deca]

my relationship at the moment and bit of an illusion , don`t get my wrong its nice she does not nag me , keeps my snug at night, loads of cuddles, she will always ready to satisfy my need never says no, she looks like Jordan .........but when I open my eyes its just my pillow:o

do get me wrong now and then I venture out and get the real thing , but even that's turning into an illusion , last time I did this hot bird came up to me and took me back to hers , she was not shy and got straight down to biz , I was in heaven and felt free and good , but then illusion ended pretty quick ....you don`t get long for £70 quid these days.....

[honey_beez]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.

Good Post:-) I agree with it all! I hate those mushy warm, tender feelings I get when I fancy someone! All chemicals and hormones! Better to be an Ice Queen than a Loving Naïve Shelby! Oh and who wants to be labelled a whore by straight and fellow gay men?

[deca]

Good Post:-) I agree with it all! I hate those mushy warm, tender feelings I get when I fancy someone! All chemicals and hormones! Better to be an Ice Queen than a Loving Naïve Shelby! Oh and who wants to be labelled a whore by straight and fellow gay men?


just buy a vibrator and hang out with gay dudes

[dusthead]

Listen to me folks and spare yourselves a lot of misery. I'm not saying I'm against relationships, but if we can realize that they are an illusion then they can perhaps be fun without so much pain.

Emotions are incredibly blind, they have a life of their own. They make no sense whatsoever. There is like, this irrational force behind them.
What can this force be?
Hormones I expect. Our hormones program us to think we need someone to make us complete. Millions of years of evolution have programmed us to be addicted to the idea of finding someone. The brain rewards us with chemicals that make us feel good when this love is given back, which is nice enough. However....when it is not....well that's another story altogether. I think most people have gone through it at least some time during their lives. As we know, if things don't work out with our desired mate it feels like hell, like torture. Like it murders our hearts.

Enough is enough. I don't want to be controlled by my brain's chemicals any more. I'm sick of being fooled by it. It's no good any more to be reassured by others that there's someone out there for me, that I'm attractive, etc, etc. Love doesn't work like that. You don't chose who you fall in love with. If your sensitive, like me, and things don't work out...it will break you. If I had been luckier I would have found the right person earlier on in my life and had my children in those circumstances. My irrational brain wouldn't let that happen, I fell for someone who wasn't right for me. Fate would not bring me the one who is compatible....and I've always wondered....why....where are you?

Now I have the answer.

Soul mates, twin flames etc are only a romantic fairy tale that just drive us more crazy along with these stupid pathetic hormones that program our minds to crave companionship so deeply.

The "ideal" partner doesn't exist.

Everything is temporary.
Nothing lasts.

Yes, everything is temporary.

We can either enjoy it or fear it.

Personally I have been in A LOT of relationships with A LOT of very different people. Some of those relationships were doomed from the outset but others still provide me with pleasant memories. I chose to live that way because I wanted to experience a range of people and discover whether I would be compatible with them or not.

I am currently married with children. I choose to be married with children and I am with my partner for the right reasons. I only know this because I have been in so many other relationships - I have 'educated' myself in such matters and I know what works for me and my partner.

Never fear relationships - have lots of them! If someone leaves you, it wasn't meant to be. If you care about them do not burden them with guilt. Wish them well and move onto the next partner - even if it hurts like hell! It's an empowering feeling when you are able to do that.

In the beginning, failed relationships hurt, but after a while they become 'just one of those things'. You just have to keep going.

Nothing lasts forever so enjoy the moment.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I'm surprised that this thread got rated with stars. :o

I not sure what the answers are.
Perhaps all negative emotions, fear etc stem from the reptilian part of the brain.

I wrote this thread when I was in a kind of negative mood, trying to search for some explanation to serve as an antidote to what I was feeling at the time.

Perhaps the answers is just to be....just to relax and flow with the flow of this journey of co-creation....as baby creators; sparks of the divine....trusting that everything will work out as it ought to in the end....because there is some kind of balancing mechanism helping to support this life and to help us remember who we really are, etc; as many mistakes/ as much mess as we make while experiencing/ experimenting here in this life.......


I don't know about twin souls etc....but I definitely feel that we can be connected to people on an energetic people as in frequencies.....within that frequency there could be hundreds of people out there who would/ could connect us.....we only need one....someone who we not only feel a kinship with but who also feeds our spiritual/ intellectual/ emotional evolution.....who we also share a chemistry/ compatibility with of personalities....Maybe the key is just to get out of the house as much as possible and be wherever you can where that frequency of people may be. And when the time is right, the universe will respond.
It speaks to us all the time through synchronicity, etc....which I think is to help to let us know that events don't just take place by chance alone. :)
It helps to let us know we are getting closer, or that we are on the right path.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Maybe we are all essentially "one" consciousness....I don't know. But I think that while in this life we all require certain things to maintain balance.....these include not only food, air, shelter, water.....but love....things that support our mental/ emotional well-being....and that simply means that we all do require roots of some kind.....we all need some kind of anchor to hold onto in an ever changing world.

When any one or more of these things are lacking, we lose our sense of balance just as an eco-system does if it is interfered with.

We are not independent. We are interdependent.
While we are here.

And that's that. :cool:


Edited:
I mispelled "in this life" as "om" this life". :eek:

[simplysimon]

:)

[deca]

not sure about "frequencies" but I know women go Ooh when you get the rhythm right;)

sorry I am in flight or fight (I can do with a quickie mod) most of the day (pressure stress) humor lets this out a bit

flight ...where am supposed to go???
fight .....how the fuck can fight this shit

end up to siting here a getting stressed and fucking frustrated

[lostinstrangeworld]

The uni-verse is expanding and contracting into infinity.

[deca]

The uni-verse is expanding and contracting into infinity.

I only have a little todger love!!......its filled a pram thou:D

[lostinstrangeworld]

I only have a little todger love!!......its filled a pram thou:D

Ermmm....it not about that....there was this episode of "A Bloody Brilliant Life" on Edge TV last night where they were talking about tantra, I recommend to anyone looking it up and watching it. :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

....or a metaphor maybe? who knows.


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/ist2_768707_old_sailing_ship.jpg

[simplysimon]

Ermmm....it not about that....there was this episode of "A Bloody Brilliant Life" on Edge TV last night where they were talking about tantra, I recommend to anyone looking it up and watching it. :)

Heh Heh lol 12:12 very nice haha

[lostinstrangeworld]

This article I came across- I found so poignant- whilst going through some stuff.

A gathering of the tribe

http://www.realitysandwich.com/sites/realitysandwich.civicactions.net/files/imagecache/large/foreversoulslarge.jpg

Once upon a time a great tribe of people lived in a world far away from ours. Whether far away in space, or in time, or even outside of time, we do not know. They lived in a state of enchantment and joy that few of us today dare to believe could exist, except in those exceptional peak experiences when we glimpse the true potential of life and mind.

One day the shaman of the tribe called a meeting. They gathered around him, and he spoke very solemnly. "My friends," he said, "there is a world that needs our help. It is called earth, and its fate hangs in the balance. Its humans have reached a critical point in their collective birthing, and they will be stillborn without our help. Who would like to volunteer for a mission to this time and place, and render service to humanity?"

"Tell us more about his mission," they asked.

"I am glad you asked, because it is no small thing. I will put you into a deep, deep trance, so complete that you will forget who you are. You will live a human life, and in the beginning you will completely forget your origins. You will forget even our language and your own true name. You will be separated from the wonder and beauty of our world, and from the love that bathes us all. You will miss it deeply, yet you will not know what it is you are missing. You will only remember the love and beauty that we know to be normal as a longing in your heart. Your memory will take the form of an intuitive knowledge, as you plunge into the painfully marred earth, that a more beautiful world is possible.

"As you grow up in that world, your knowledge will be under constant assault. You will be told in a million ways that a world of destruction, violence, drudgery, anxiety, and degradation is normal. You may go through a time when you are completely alone, with no allies to affirm your knowledge of a more beautiful world. You may plunge into a depth of despair that we, in our world of light, cannot imagine. But no matter what, a spark of knowledge will never leave you. A memory of your true origin will be encoded in your DNA. That spark will lie within you, inextinguishable, until one day it is awakened.

"You see, even though you will feel, for a time, utterly alone, you will not be alone. I will send you assistance, help that you will experience as miraculous, experiences that you will describe as transcendent. For a few moments or hours or days, you will reawaken to the beauty and the joy that is meant to be. You will see it on earth, for even though the planet and its people are deeply wounded, there is beauty there still, projected from past and future onto the present as a promise of what is possible and a reminder of what is real.

"You will also receive help from each other. As you begin to awaken to your mission you will meet others of our tribe. You will recognize them by your common purpose, values, and intuitions, and by the similarity of the paths you have walked. As the condition of the planet earth reaches crisis proportions, your paths will cross more and more. The time of loneliness, the time of thinking you might be crazy, will be over.

"You will find the people of your tribe all over the earth, and become aware of them through the long-distance communication technologies used on that planet. But the real shift, the real quickening, will happen in face-to-face gatherings in special places on earth. When many of you gather together you will launch a new stage on your journey, a journey which, I assure you, will end where it began. Then, the mission that lay unconscious within you will flower into consciousness. Your intuitive rebellion against the world presented you as normal will become an explicit quest to create a more beautiful one.

"In the time of loneliness, you will always be seeking to reassure yourself that you are not crazy. You will do that by telling people all about what is wrong with the world, and you will feel a sense of betrayal when they don't listen to you. You will be hungry for stories of wrongness, atrocity, and ecological destruction, all of which confirm the validity of your intuition that a more beautiful world exists. But after you have fully received the help I will send you, and the quickening of your gatherings, you will no longer need to do that. Because, you will Know. Your energy will thereafter turn toward actively creating that more beautiful world."

A tribeswoman asked the shaman, "How do you know this will work? Are you sure your shamanic powers are great enough to send us on such a journey?"

The shaman replied, "I know it will work because I have done it many times before. Many have already been sent to earth, to live human lives, and to lay the groundwork for the mission you will undertake now. I've been practicing! The only difference now is that many of you will venture there at once. What is new in the time you will live in, is that the Gatherings are beginning to happen."

A tribesman asked, "Is there a danger we will become lost in that world, and never wake up from the shamanic trance? Is there a danger that the despair, the cynicism, the pain of separation will be so great that it will extinguish the spark of hope, the spark of our true selves and origin, and that we will separated from our beloved ones forever?"

The shaman replied, "That is impossible. The more deeply you get lost, the more powerful the help I will send you. You might experience it at the time as a collapse of your personal world, the loss of everything important to you. Later you will recognize the gift within it. We will never abandon you."

Another man asked, "Is it possible that our mission will fail, and that this planet, earth, will perish?"

The shaman replied, "I will answer your question with a paradox. It is impossible that your mission will fail. Yet, its success hangs on your own actions. The fate of the world is in your hands. The key to this paradox lies within you, in the feeling you carry that each of your actions, even your personal, secret struggles within, has cosmic significance. You will know then, as you do now, that everything you do matters. God sees everything."

There were no more questions. The volunteers gathered in a circle, and the shaman went to each one. The last thing each was aware of was the shaman blowing smoke in his face. They entered a deep trance and dreamed themselves into the world where we find ourselves today.

****

Who are these missionaries from the more beautiful world? You and I are surely among them. Where else could this longing come from, for this magical place to be found nowhere on earth, this beautiful time outside of time? It comes from our intuitive knowledge of our origin and destination. The longing, indomitable, will never settle for a world that is less. Against all reason, we look upon the horrors of our age, mounting over the millennia, and we say NO, it does not have to be this way! We know it, because we have been there. We carry in our souls the knowledge that a more beautiful world is possible. Reason says it is impossible; reason says that even to slow -- much less reverse -- the degradation of the planet is an impossible task: politically unfeasible, opposed by the Money Power and its oligarchies. It is true that those powers will fight to uphold the world we have known. Their allies lurk within even ourselves: despair, cynicism, and resignation to carving out a life that is "good enough" for me and mine.

But we of the tribe know better. In the darkest despair a spark of hope lies inextinguishable within us, ready to be fanned into flames at the slightest turn of good news. However compelling the cynicism, a jejune idealism lives within us, always ready to believe, always ready to look upon new possibilities with fresh eyes, surviving despite infinite disappointments. And however resigned we may have felt, our aggrandizement of me and mine is half-hearted, for part of our energy is looking elsewhere, outward toward our true mission.

I would like to advise caution against dividing the world into two types of people, those who are of the tribe and those who are not. How often have you felt like an alien in a world of people who don't get it and don't care? The irony is that nearly everyone feels that way, deep down. When we are young the feeling of mission and the sense of magnificent origins and a magnificent destination is strong. Any career or way of life lived in betrayal of that knowing is painful, and can only be maintained through an inner struggle that shuts down a part of our being. For a time, we can keep ourselves functioning through various kinds of addictions or trivial pleasures to consume the life force and dull the pain. In earlier times, we might have kept the sense of mission and destiny buried for a lifetime, and called that condition maturity. Times are changing now though, as millions of people are awakening to their mission all at the same time. The condition of the planet is waking us up. Another way to put it, is that we are becoming young again.

When you feel that sense of alienation, when you look upon that sea of faces mired so inextricably in the old world and fighting to maintain it, think back to a time when you too were, to all outside appearances, a full and willing participant in that world as well. The same spark of revolution you carried then, the same secret refusal, dwells in all people. How was it that you finally stopped fighting it? How was it that you came to realize that you were right all along, that the world offered to us is wrong, and that no life is worth living that does not in some way strive to create a better one? How was it that it became intolerable to devote your life energy toward the perpetuation of the old world? Most likely, it happened when the old world fell apart around your ears.

As the multiple crises of money, health, energy, ecology, and more converge upon us, the world is going to collapse for millions more. We must stand ready to welcome them into the tribe. We must stand ready to welcome them back home.

The time of loneliness, of walking the path alone, of thinking maybe the world is right and I am wrong for refusing to participate fully in it... that time is over. For years we walked around talking about how wrong everything is: the political system, the educational system, religious institutions, the military-industrial complex, the banking industry, the medical system -- really, any system you study deeply enough. We needed to talk about it because we needed to assure ourselves that we were not, in fact, crazy. We needed as well to talk about alternatives, the way things should be. "We" should eliminate CFCs. "They" should stop cutting down the rain forests. "The government" should declare no fishing zones. This talk, too, was necessary, for it validated our vision of the world that could be: a peaceful and exuberant humanity living in co-creative partnership with a wild garden earth.

The time, though, for talking merely to assure ourselves that we are right is coming to an end. People everywhere are tired of it, tired of attending yet another lecture, organizing yet another discussion group online. We want more. A few weeks ago as I was preparing for a speaking trip to Oregon, the organizers told me, "These people don't need to be told what the problems are. They don't even need to be told what the solutions are. They already know that, and many of them are already in action. What they want is to take their activism to the next level."

To do that, to fully step into one's mission here on earth, one must experience an inner shift that cannot be merely willed upon oneself. It does not normally happen through the gathering or receiving of information, but through various kinds of experiences that reach deep into our unconscious minds. Whenever I am blessed with such an experience, I get the sense that some benevolent yet pitiless power -- the shaman in the story -- has reached across the void to quicken me, to reorganize my DNA, to rewire my nervous system. I come away changed.

One way it happens is through the "gathering of the tribe" I described in this story. I think many people who attended the recent Reality Sandwich retreat in Utah experienced something like this. Such gatherings are happening now all over the world. You go back, perhaps, to "real life" afterwards, but it no longer seems so real. Your perceptions and priorities change. New possibilities emerge. Instead of feeling stuck in your routines, life changes around you at a vertiginous pace. The unthinkable becomes commonsense and the impossible becomes easy. It may not happen right away, but once the internal shift has occurred, it is inevitable.

Here I am, a speaker and a writer, going on about how the time for mere talk has ended. Yet not all words are mere talk. A spirit can ride the vehicle of words, a spirit that is larger than, yet not separate from, their meaning. Sometimes I find that when I bow into service, that spirit inhabits the space in which I speak and affects all present. A sacredness infuses our conversations and the non-verbal experiences that are becoming part of my events. In the absence of that sacredness, I feel like a smart-ass, up there entertaining people and telling them information they could just as easily read online. Last Friday night I spoke on a panel in New York, one of three smart-***** , and I think many in the audience left disappointed (though maybe not as disappointed as I was in myself). We are looking for something more, and it is finding us.

The revolutionary spark of our true mission has been fanned into flames before, only to return again to an ember. You may remember an acid trip in 1975, a Grateful Dead concert in 1982, a kundalini awakening in 1999 -- an event that, in the midst of it, you knew was real, a privileged glimpse into a future that can actually manifest. Then later, as its reality faded into memory and the inertial routines of life consumed you, you perhaps dismissed it and all such experiences as an excursion from life, a mere "trip." But something in you knows it was real, realer than the routines of normalcy. Today, such experiences are accelerating in frequency even as "normal" falls apart. We are at the beginning of a new phase. Our gatherings are not a substitute for action; they are an initiation into a state of being from which the necessary kinds of actions arise. Soon you will say, with wonder and serenity, "I know what to do, and I trust myself to do it."

Charles Eisenstein

http://www.realitysandwich.com/gathering_tribe

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.maniacworld.com/lighthouses-vs-waves.jpg

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxueYZLvs48

[deca]

Ermmm....it not about that....there was this episode of "A Bloody Brilliant Life" on Edge TV last night where they were talking about tantra, I recommend to anyone looking it up and watching it. :)

yea not watched it , but seen a few things on tantra I think, is that were you have basically sex for hours...nothing better than being alone with somebody and escaping this stupid crazy sometimes cruel world....having pleasure, given pleasure and thinking free and away from the hum drum of supposedly "normal life" ....


unfortunate modern life can be a real bummer on your sex life....I know my marriage went down hill....debts ,work,mortgage having kids .....no time and out of sync with my wife .......before it was more going out, staying in bed all day together......

[lostinstrangeworld]

Sorry to hear that. Let's all look forward to better times ahead.

Together we can heal this crazy world! :)

[deca]

the system shafted, fucked , robbed ....they keep trying to use plaster and spit to hold it together again, and gloss over with speeches and throwing some money at it........its like monopoly when most of the property been owed by one or two people its not fun for every one else ....hoping they land on a safe square ....Think that's there idea to scrap it and start again with there ill gotten gains from the previous game. Obviously they will set up a new one even more rigged and in their favor and to disadvantage any one from breaking free.

[deca]

I see it as more of a problem with the how system,culture is subverted and how we are governed not the environment or people in general...obviously they try and push blame onto the environment and blame us and say the planet is overpopulated

[simplysimon]

the system shafted, fucked , robbed ....they keep trying to use plaster and spit to hold it together again, and gloss over with speeches and throwing some money at it........its like monopoly when most of the property been owed by one or two people its not fun for every one else ....hoping they land on a safe square ....Think that's there idea to scrap it and start again with there ill gotten gains from the previous game. Obviously they will set up a new one even more rigged and in their favor and to disadvantage any one from breaking free.

Hey deca

You can choose not to play the game my friend. Seek out the people you like to have around you and work with them to create what you want.

Met a family at Avebury (they don't post on here) who are doing just that, their daughter is truly inspirational and the family were really lovely.

Don't get angry with the system, but work to create the lifestyle that you want to have while trying to ignore them(the system) as much as possible. Once you start on it, imagine how good you're going to feel as you complete a task :)

[deca]

the world is a natural amazing thing , humans are also amazing and can do extraordinary things.....same we are sucked into a "control" system that we have.

[deca]

I think a lot of the problem is our culture law system has a hard problem keeping up with technology change in this digital age

[simplysimon]

I think a lot of the problem is our culture law system has a hard problem keeping up with technology change in this digital age

There are absolutely no problems that you can't fix :)

Deep in your heart, you know what is right and how you want to live life! We all have to stop giving our power and energy away to the system and find a new perspective. We all have to change and if there is a system that is failing us, create a version of it that we all agree to.

[deca]

Hey deca

You can choose not to play the game my friend. Seek out the people you like to have around you and work with them to create what you want.

Met a family at Avebury (they don't post on here) who are doing just that, their daughter is truly inspirational and the family were really lovely.

Don't get angry with the system, but work to create the lifestyle that you want to have while trying to ignore them(the system) as much as possible. Once you start on it, imagine how good you're going to feel as you complete a task :)

sound advice and I would recommend that , unfortunately i have advance tech that's invaded/infringe not only my privet life but my inner space ,trying to subvert and control it.

[simplysimon]

sound advice and I would recommend that , unfortunately i have advance tech that's invaded/infringe not only my privet life but my inner space ,trying to subvert and control it.

Then you have a choice :)

How good will it feel to prove that you and your spirit are more powerful than any technology they can create. Rise to the challenge.

[deca]

people are turning off their telly's, people are looking at other sources of news and information , people are looking at doing things differently and better........what do you think come next, how can the PTB stamp their control over us and dictate it. by controlling our minds directly

[simplysimon]

people are turning off their telly's, people are looking at other sources of news and information , people are looking at doing things differently and better........what do you think come next, how can the PTB stamp their control over us and dictate it. by controlling our minds directly

They can only stamp their control over us if we allow them to. Make them irrelevant, they'll be really disappointed :)

[deca]

They can only stamp their control over us if we allow them to. Make them irrelevant, they'll be really disappointed :)

dude they degrade your mental/psychical capability and drive you insane ok
while your life falls apart around you.......

[simplysimon]

dude they degrade your mental/psychical capability and drive you insane ok
while your life falls apart around you.......

More choices :)

I've chosen to not let them affect me and I'm choosing to build the life I want without them. You can too.

[deca]

More choices :)

I've chosen to not let them affect me and I'm choosing to build the life I want without them. You can too.


hmmm how do you "chose" not to be bombard with pulse microwaves then??? that effects you physical health and your mental capability dude.....and all there other none lethal toys they have tucked up there selves????

clearly people are just not prepared or ready for this next level of control they will hit us with..........

[simplysimon]

hmmm how do you "chose" not to be bombard with pulse microwaves then??? that effects you physical health and your mental capability dude.....and all there other none lethal toys they have tucked up there selves????

clearly people are just not prepared or ready for this next level of control they will hit us with..........

You ever heard of grandmothers picking up trucks to free trapped kids?

Human beings are an amazing species, they can do whatever they believe.

What beliefs do you have to stop you from beating them?

[deca]

You ever heard of grandmothers picking up trucks to free trapped kids?

Human beings are an amazing species, they can do whatever they believe.

What beliefs do you have to stop you from beating them?


I have nothing physical to attack and caught in a culture with a belief that its no possible or if you tell people thay think you are mentally ill..........

my wounds and damage are internal , this destroys you from within

[simplysimon]

I have nothing physical to attack and caught in a culture with a belief that its no possible or if you tell people thay think you are mentally ill..........

You don't need to attack anything, that is just giving the energy you have away.

Ignore the people that are asleep and tell you something is impossible. You make the rules of what is possible and what isn't.

I say it isn't possible for them to hurt me! Does that make me crazy?

[deca]

i don`t think you understand......lets look what happend in the 1970`s under mkultra .....they used people having slight mental problems that went to people like DR Comoran .....what happened they filled them up with drugs , put endless looping tapes under their pillow for days/weeks/months on end in a position they could not block the audio out......and every so often electric shocked these people and others things.............these people were brainwashed , memory's eroded and could not remember or reconise their partners or kids ....plus a whole lot of other programs that they did 30 odd years ago....

nowadays they are using microwave hearing effect to target people to put voices and other sounds directly into peoples heads that you can`t not block plus all there other tech and techniques that cause pain/pleasure and alter your mind and control your body functions.

Now you might think because you are awake and see the system for what it is, not submerge yourself in their propaganda and able to enjoy/control your mind but please don`t patronize me about I can "chose" and I have the power to make whats possible new age escapism/fantasy shite

[simplysimon]

Thanks for sharing your perspective. You have chosen to think that I don't understand, you have chosen to think that I was being patronising and you are chosing to not believe in yourself and the power that you have.

It really is all about choice.

[deca]

no I have chosen to survive, I have chosen to stand up to this, I have chosen to inform others ok

[deca]

do you understand what mind control is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
Mind control is a broad range of psychological tactics able to subvert an individual's control of his or her own thinking, behavior, emotions, or decisions. There are a number of controversial issues regarding mind control and the methods by which control might be attained (either direct or more subtle) are the focus of study among psychologists, neuroscientists, and sociologists.

choice has nothing to do with it.........how can I truly chose

its like mild forms of mind control that limit/narrow the choice , its very easy to control people if you give them the options head or tails??? one or the other you can manipulate them. does not mater what they chose you can subvert it.

[simplysimon]

do you understand what mind control is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control


choice has nothing to do with it.........how can I truly chose

its like mild forms of mind control that limit/narrow the choice , its very easy to control people if you give them the options head or tails??? one or the other you can manipulate them. does not mater what they chose you can subvert it.

I have read about mind control and it's techniques. I've also seen videos of people that have overcome the control. While you have a connection to consciousness you can still change any of the rules. Heads or tails? I choose the coin will land on it's edge. If you are aware of the options being a limit, it is possible to work around them.

I'm trying to be open and honest with you, I'd really like to see you free and happy without feeling like life is falling apart.

[deca]

I have read about mind control and it's techniques. I've also seen videos of people that have overcome the control. While you have a connection to consciousness you can still change any of the rules. Heads or tails? I choose the coin will land on it's edge. If you are aware of the options being a limit, it is possible to work around them.

I'm trying to be open and honest with you, I'd really like to see you free and happy without feeling like life is falling apart.

dude how many times does a coin land on its edge???? you will lose

what color do you chose , its your choice??
http://www.tvfilmprops.co.uk/userdata/PRODPIC-90.jpg

[simplysimon]

dude how many times does a coin land on its edge???? you will lose

what color do you chose , its your choice??
http://www.tvfilmprops.co.uk/userdata/PRODPIC-90.jpg

I don't really see the relevance of this picture or the heads or tails scenario. How about I choose not to choose.

I used to love that game as a kid :)

[deca]

overcome the control.

dude they are doing me in "realtime" its not like I have been mind controlled mk style programmed.........

I gain control see throw there shit, try and keep myself together, then they attack me again to undermine me or to expand whats still running around my mind.

[deca]

I don't really see the relevance of this picture or the heads or tails scenario. How about I choose not to choose.

I used to love that game as a kid :)


simple if I can predict or control the out come then what ever you chose I can make you a winner or losers , it does not mater what color you chose, I only given the illusion you had one.
you walk away believing you made the right or wrong choice .....even then I can manipulate use that situation as well.

Also not chosen can also be used??

[deca]

I never chose to be in my situation , I never knew or belief it existed.You could say I made the wrong choices that lead to my present situation but really thats just push blame onto myself.............In reality I belief other people have made the wrong choices in developing/persueing this type of technology and using it on unwitting subjects ..........I don`t know what chooses they had but that's were the blame and responsibility/solution lies .

saying that the victim had a choice or can choose to not be effected or telling others they have the ability if they chose to overcome this.....does not solve the problem it just ignores and be little's the situation

that's like saying somebody chose to be raped because they wore a short skirt or chose to take a short cut throw a darken lane , these are probably factors that cause them to be personal raped but they did not create the rapist or his intention to rape.....

[deca]

also you can be mentally "sheepdog" by seemingly making the right choices you avoid the sheep dog but walk/run straight into the pen/slaughter house under your own will power ability.

[deca]

its like people go to seasides to escape and have fun ........but they cross the busy road avoid the cars that they do in their home town , almost taste the ice cream and feel the sand between their toes and walk straight into a tram......
The tracks for this control grid are there, I tell you that theirs trams running but you will still be blinded by the sea/sun and sand ......maybe others will get on the tram thinking its taken them to a theme park , but you will be punters on a oneway ticket letting others control your ride and destination .

[deca]

well lets get this thread back on track???

lets face it when we first meet someone and fall for them , its great, they look,talk and fill our needs , we are full of joy and possibility's...its exciting wonderful, we feel special that somebody cares and wants to know us......

but can that be maintained??? is our expectations too high ??? or have we been trick/fooled or just let down in the past????

so are relationships and illusion or disillusion from past experience ?

I think like any type of relationship you have to realistic what to expect , be clear what you want from it and what you are prepared to put in.

obviously theirs certain relationships were unconditional love applies, but still does not mean you have to put up with abuse or being used.

Also there is emotions to play here which sort of can fuck thinks up ....but hay were would live be without emotions.........

if we used logic than we would be with the logical person but life is about diversity how would DNA ect mutate and possibly spawn new life or create people with certain ability's
also is logic also is predictable were the fun in that.........:)

[honey_beez]

just buy a vibrator and hang out with gay dudes

whatever !

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrJngCioc4o

[lostinstrangeworld]

Desiderata
by Max Ehrmann

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons;
they are vexatious to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love,
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,
it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life,
keep peace in your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

[lostinstrangeworld]

ROFL my quirky mother had Desiderata up on the wall of the bog in my childhood home. :rolleyes:

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.en8848.com.cn/Article/Life/Relationships/35125.html

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/animals_laughingPuppy.gif

Lately, I think people are investing too much energy in the idea that they "must find their soulmate." Where do we get this idea that we are somehow not complete unless we are connected to another person? What are you? An electrical outlet waiting for a plug, so you can finally light up the world? Frankly, when I hear the word "soulmate" I tend to give a little shudder, especially when I think about some of the people in my past that I have considered to be my soulmates. Quite frankly, most of my soulmates were idiots! The Buddha would say that they were also my teachers -- people I have known in a previous life time who have come back in this lifetime to teach me a lesson. Boy did they, but unfortunately, it sometimes takes several soul mates to teach us just one lesson. (Hint, hint -- I think the lesson is supposed to be about "letting go" and stop trying to control, or own people -- a common problem in this society.)

Most people think that they have found their soulmate just because they feel a strong connection to a person. Unfortunately, that connection may not have anything to do with spirituality at all. It is amazing how lust can convince us that we are spiritually connected to a person. The person may just seem familiar, because they remind you of an ex boyfriend, a parent, or even someone who molested you as a child. I also hate the way the term soulmate is often used by people as an excuse to stay in a relationship where they are clearly being abused ...half the time the abuser is using the concept of the soulmate as blackmail: "but you have to take this crap from me! You're beholden to me. I knew you in another life!" You can tell your soulmate is an idiot, if he left you eight months ago and you feel like he is still hanging around in your aura, or even worse, visiting you in dreams, or plaguing you with unwanted thoughts like "this was really all your fault, you know." Time to evict this tenant from your cosmic field.

When it comes to soulmates, I subscribe to Oprah's theory "that everybody is your soul mate." In theory, you don't have to have sex with every soul mate you meet -- a soul mate can also be a child, a relative, a co-worker or even just a good friend. One of the hazards of getting involved sexually and emotionally with someone who we believe was sent to us by God, or who we think was sent to us as "an angel on earth" is that we often become over attached to them and have trouble severing the connection. Notice how anyone you've gotten rid off doesn't qualify as a soulmate... but anyone who dumped you automatically ALWAYS makes the grade ... ironically, you hear most people describe the last person who dumped them as their one and only soulmate. If they were such a great soulmate, then why didn't they stick around to build a future with you? Oh right, your soulmate was an idiot, too. It's O.K. to admit your soulmate is an idiot, by the way. It makes the angels laugh ... Forget meditation. There's nothing that dissolves bad karma faster than a bit of humour.

[soul_traveller]

Is Your Soulmate an Idiot?

I've yet to connect with a partner.
I'm bit of a loser when it comes to relationships.
:(

[simplysimon]

I've yet to connect with a partner.
I'm bit of a loser when it comes to relationships.
:(

Hey Soul Traveller :)

The universe understands you totally.

Your wish is its command. Only thing is what has the universe just got from you?

Your partner IS turning up, and the relationship is going to be great!

How exciting is that? :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

I don't know what to think any more, about it all.

I'm confused about form and formlessness.

In Buddhism they say its all an illusion, and that desire/ attachment cause suffering.

:confused:

I just don't know what to think any more.
Maybe there's a balance between the two.

I don't know.

http://www.paramacxa.nl/nassim_haramein.htm

[deca]

Yep I agree with you, I am not building a life around somebody else.....doing it my way ....me time , do what I want ,when I want .......Think if you are waiting for your soul mate you grow old or be disappointed they always seem to let you down or you them......did the build a home , kid thing , anyway.
I don`t think in my predicament I will be growing old and lonely away.

probably once you do your own thing your way a feel good about yourself you will meet similar people anyway.

dam miss the sex these days thou .....I am shit at relationships away....

I starting to realize I look a Berk when I go to the local disco on the pull
look like somebody left over from acid rave but with out the acid just a couple of strong lagers......clubbers are just posers these days anyway
don`t get my wrong I do get a few pretty young thing chatting me up , but I end in some father figure truth bollocks lecture ......instead of a Kentucky then taxi back to mine and no they are not that young that they could still get a happy meal.....the women around my age end up telling me about their problems or past relationships.........

so in one way its great being single at my age 30ish ok its quite a big ish but I still feel like in my twenty's so there.

Yes I thought my ex wife would be my soulmate and it was great for a while .....yes shes an idiot ......but so am I

[lostinstrangeworld]

Yes I thought my ex wife would be my soulmate and it was great for a while .....yes shes an idiot ......but so am I

:D:D

[deca]

grasshopper I have taught you all I can, tomorrow you will leave , and wounder in to the world, you will have many experiences and meet many people and have many relationships with women......is there anything you want to ask


Master how will i know I had enough relationships with women????

grasshopper until your eyes end up like mine!!!!!

http://www.martialdevelopment.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/kung-fu-master-po-and-caine.jpg

[lostinstrangeworld]

LoL

[simplysimon]

Do you know how finding that soulmate or twin flame is going to make you feel?

The way it's going to change your outlook on life, the amount of time you spend smiling, the all embracing love that you're going to feel, how happy you will feel and how deeply in love you are going to be.





Can you think of a good reason NOT to feel like that now?

[deca]

Do you know how finding that soulmate or twin flame is going to make you feel?

The way it's going to change your outlook on life, the amount of time you spend smiling, the all embracing love that you're going to feel, how happy you will feel and how deeply in love you are going to be.





Can you think of a good reason NOT to feel like that now?


dude thats when your in love first going out and full of lust.......

You then find out they are liars with a load of annoying habits and wardrobe full of skeletons

[simplysimon]

dude thats when your in love first going out and full of lust.......

You then find out they are liars with a load of annoying habits and wardrobe of skeletons

Cool Deca :)

You make the rules !

[deca]

nope experience

er rules? think that's the problem , think any relationships based on rules is doomed

I think women and men just have different expectations from relationships

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpbOkyuyADU

[simplysimon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpbOkyuyADU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyx6kdJIUCg&feature=PlayList&p=9057DC09AA4FDE2D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

!

[deca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyHNriK7mDs


great movie;)

[simplysimon]

^^ Yup :)

Kim Basinger at her best, the follow up was crap though. 7 Nights 7 Day (or vice versa)

[deca]

anyway I have soul mate not what I expected or wanted but does know my innermost thoughts and nags like f**K.....believe or not can even be helpful but that's just to piss me of and be a smart ass and get me to trust it and relay on it .....wish it was an illusion or delusion ........ my electronic buddy

[woodelf]

losti! girl, you gotta stir it up for yourself! a couple of years ago i posted the lyrics to the robert plant song-come into my life- and it was magical! it was just an offhand thing, but the results were a torrent! ha!;)
i met friends who i'll have for life, nothing superficial or traditional either! i was mainly posting lyrics i liked at the time, was a lil bit embarrassed for a minute, then didnt worry about it....

[lostinstrangeworld]

losti! girl, you gotta stir it up for yourself! a couple of years ago i posted the lyrics to the robert plant song-come into my life- and it was magical! it was just an offhand thing, but the results were a torrent! ha!;)
i met friends who i'll have for life, nothing superficial or traditional either! i was mainly posting lyrics i liked at the time, was a lil bit embarrassed for a minute, then didnt worry about it....

Yes, there are some really beautiful people in our world....well....all people are beautiful so shall we say....there are some people who really allow themselves to shine. :)