Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement

[zero1]

Part 1

Fulford vs. Illuminati - part 1 - YouTube

Part 2

Fulford vs. Illuminati - part 2 - YouTube

[stewart edwards]

Links dont seem to work

[lightgiver]

Links dont seem to work

Same for Moi.:confused: I have tried to access U tube for a while,it appears it is down.

Not for Zero,because he as obviously just posted vids.

[zero1]

Links dont seem to work

They work fine for me. What's up?

I'll post the link to Fulford's site then, they're on there just scroll down to the first article (in Japanese surrounds...)

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Seriously, the OP works fine for me; just click on the indented vid screens should pop up...

[zero1]

Lots of good stuff on there, those vids; Illuminati, CIA, Freemasonry, the RCC etc. Masons on here will hear what Zagami says and know he speaks @ least from an educated POV.

[zero1]

Links & embeds

PART ONE

Fulford vs. Illuminati Part 1

Fulford vs. Illuminati - part 1 - YouTube

PART TWO

Fulford vs. Illuminati Part 2

Fulford vs. Illuminati - part 2 - YouTube

Alternatively, go to Youtube and type in "Fulford vs. Illuminati", the vids are only 1 day old (as of Friday June 12th, 2009).

:)

[anthony65]

Hmmmmmm...

At least it's entertaining.

Interesting to see these two together.

How seriously to take it all?

As Benjamin Fulford says, we should be able to see it happening.

World council of religions? The Illuminated ones. The great architect?

A 3 year plan would take us to errrr....

2012

ZION

Hmmmmm....:rolleyes:

Good night! :)

[foobar]

Benjamin Fulford is a fantasist. He thinks Masaki Hatsuumi is a real ninja.

[zero1]

Benjamin Fulford is a fantasist.

No, not so. He's as well informed as can reasonably be expected from a tertiary source.

He thinks Masaki Hatsuumi is a real ninja.

Master Hatsumi of Bujinkan is the public face of a martial art widely regarded as a cartoon fiction by ignorant fools in Western culture.

He might not be a "real Ninja" in the sense of the asian secret society spies who as essentially espionage agents, but he teaches legitimate Ninjutsu and deserves respect.

As for Fulford, he probably does know the real Ninja, ie. the asian secret society SPIES.

[zero1]

Hmmmmmm...

At least it's entertaining.

Interesting to see these two together.

How seriously to take it all?



If what he's saying is true, it doesn't/won't matter if you take it seriously or not. Things at that level have a habit of happening anyway, regardless of cynics.

As Benjamin Fulford says, we should be able to see it happening.

World council of religions? The Illuminated ones. The great architect?

A 3 year plan would take us to errrr....

2012

ZION

Hmmmmm....:rolleyes:

Good night! :)

You noticed the "3 year plan" then, syncs with 2012. Very astute of you, bro.

Night. :)

[stewart edwards]

If what he's saying is true, it doesn't/won't matter if you take it seriously or not. Things at that level have a habit of happening anyway, regardless of cynics.Zero1.

I am replying to the point that I quoted above, not to the content of the videos, which I have now seen. As you know I have met Leo several times in years gone by, in a masonic environment, so I do listen to what he says.

Anyhow back to your thought quoted above. I suspect that you will find that there are many things that people "at that level" dont have everything their own way. If they did do you not think that our world would either be more balanced/fair or dictorial depending on your viewpoint?

There is this very powerful force called the law of unintended consequences. It really can spoil the best laid of plans. It is almost a natural law and works stronger where fractions, divisions, fear, and decit run deep. This law alone could easily prevent bad uns doing their stuff as fully as they would like.

But how does it work?

It is simple. Every single decision that you zero1, me, lightgiver, luciferhorus, mikemartin, eastbeat, The Queen, the prisoner, the roadsweeper makes has multiple consequences, regardless of how small the decision is.

Let me take a silly example.

You could be redecorating your house. You then take an old bottle of white spirit/paint stripper/paint to your local tip. You throw it in the tip for landfill, not being to worried that it should be put in a special box, after all time is tight and you are late for watching the game. So it sits there merrilly along with everything else at the top of the container. And you leave. Job done. So you are now at home watching the game.

But then the crane comes along and squashed the contents of the container down to enable more to get in it, and bang/splat the bottle/pot exploded open under the force. Not a problem had it been at teh bottom of the container, but it was at the top and it has sprayed into someones eyes, resulting in them needing emergency medical treatment and loosing their eyesight.

Then the local government decide that due to this they will no longer accept such waste, so people in the future have to pay for it to be disposed of. Everyone then pays. Or perhaps a camera has got you disposing of it and you get your collar felt and charged and imprisoned. Perhaps the site owner gets charged for some sort of negligence for letting you dispose of it in the wrong place? Lots of things could fall out from it. Most likely none at all, but you never know. At best the container may need cleaning and the landfill site will be a little contaiminated. And that little bit of contamination could cause some other problem, perhaps to bacteria which in time feeds up through the food chain and causes a childs death in twenty years time. It is all interconnected, the law of unintended consequences.

This law does have a natural balance and is connected with karma, if you belive in such a thing.

You may find that in truth most people in global leadership work very very hard to make things work for everyone. Ok some may be interested in lining their own posckets, having status and perceived power, but most I would imagine work in your interest. The biggest problem at that level would I imagine be one of ego and darkness penetrating to corrupt those in power and blind them. But if their hearts werent good there is a fairly good chance that within a decade or two karma would have dealt with them and made them impotent.

The bigger problem is one of learning to ensure that power hasnt corrupted you and that the law of unintended consequences does muck your good intentions up. Think about the tip example scaled up to a global level. Just think about it.

[leviathanstaar]

lol @

The CIA and the pentagon are getting ready to take them on.

[foobar]

Master Hatsumi of Bujinkan is the public face of a martial art widely regarded as a cartoon fiction by ignorant fools in Western culture.

He holds some menkyo in Koryu arts, but his ninpo lineage is fictitious and I know from personal experience he hands out blackbelts to people who can't fight at all.


As for Fulford, he probably does know the real Ninja, ie. the asian secret society SPIES.

Ninjia are as real today as Teutonic knights. Fulford's tale is a fantasy by some little goober from a prestigious family who wants people to think he's more than he his.

[lupa]

I don't know what to make of benjamin fulford
he comes across as a jittery cocaine fuelled addict..believe me i've been around people like that ..he can't sit still, sniffing all the time playing with his hands moving back and forth..he looks very uncomfortable most of the time.

despite that...I like his positivity and outlook even if he behaves a little whacky

[gods sun]

i have a feeling he was uncomfortable because trying to get your word over leo zagami is impossible he doesnt stop talking which he specially does to get the peaceful people angry and fustrated, funny how he still carrys on how freemasonary stil should exist as if he wants it to be the number 1 religion, i like how he wants to give information but i cant imagine someone at 33rd degree or above isnt so brainwashed that he would talk of such thing, i dont trust him leo zagami for his background upbringing and all round trying to win peopl eto freemasonary only in about 5 years for it to be secret and millions of people converted to freemasonary. ithink he was bit angry on fact that leo went to far and started talking crap and diverting situation away from subject. hence why he was a bit whacky cause i woul dbe like that if i couldnt get my voice heard through 2 parts of the interview only for leo to talk the most like always, leo doesnt like questions.

a good starting ground would be venus project and later we can improve but are all religions should get together and collect all scriptures into 1 book but the truth not lies, oor the truth what the books are explaining and educate us in symbolism and number codes and words and respect each other as a 1 world organism show people into the spirit world etc.

[foobar]

I'm amazed that people fall for this nonsense. It's like watching people in the old west buy snakeoil. It's like New Labour propaganda, but more amateurish in it's production values and more dramatic in it's content to appeal to people who like science fiction.

[skunksmash]

so...... is that guy actually ''the grand master'' of multiple masonic followings..??:confused:

& can it be true, there's elite rouge factions within the Illuminati hell bent on corruption & power..??, i though these guys were like the Borg collective = 1 mind....

the thought of rival factions withing that world is quite pleasing, it makes the goal of they're demise that much more realistic......



:)SK

[foobar]

so...... is that guy actually ''the grand master'' of multiple masonic followings..??:confused:

& can it be true, there's elite rouge factions within the Illuminati hell bent on corruption & power..??, i though these guys were like the Borg collective = 1 mind....

the thought of rival factions withing that world is quite pleasing, it makes the goal of they're demise that much more realistic......



:)SK

It's a bad thriller novel plot cooked up by a couple of losers hoping to make money on the conspiracy speaking circuit.

[gods sun]

illuminati would of killed leo a long time ago for releasing such information so ye hes still illuminati just actually probally hiding that fact so no 1 catchs him good desgise hes made.

[foobar]

illuminati would of killed leo a long time ago for releasing such information so ye hes still illuminati just actually probally hiding that fact so no 1 catchs him good desgise hes made.

Does it seem odd to you that a member of the secret inner-circle cult that supposdely rules the world had to take a job as a marketing manager at a firm that makes household radiators ?

At all?

[zero1]

Interesting replies thus far.

[stewart edwards]

Does it seem odd to you that a member of the secret inner-circle cult that supposdely rules the world had to take a job as a marketing manager at a firm that makes household radiators ?

At all?No, let me explain why....

1. If you are on the side of light, genuinely on the side of light, you are not driven by the love of money. It is quite possible that a Grand Master could be a postman or a cleaner. In fact this is a good sign that a lodge is a lodge of light. Rank, status etc are like money, one of the fastest route to darkness known by man, not per se but because of the yes men, wanabees, train set owners, brown nosers, egos, etc etc can divert and pollute energies over time. It is for this reason that institutions of light can succumb unwittingly to darkness.

2. Now if you are on the side of darkness then it is perhaps less likely though if you are after control you need to be "in there" so to speak controlling - getting contracts, doing deals, etc. I know that it was a novel, albeit repudedly an esoteric autobiography but if you read Frabrato the Magician by Franz bardon you will find that all of the dark lads in the lodge were in business. There is good reason for that.

3. Everyone needs to eat.


Just some thoughts.

[foobar]

No, let me explain why....

1. If you are on the side of light, genuinely on the side of light, you are not driven by the love of money. It is quite possible that a Grand Master could be a postman or a cleaner. In fact this is a good sign that a lodge is a lodge of light. Rank, status etc are like money, one of the fastest route to darkness known by man, not per se but because of the yes men, wanabees, train set owners, brown nosers, egos, etc etc can divert and pollute energies over time. It is for this reason that institutions of light can succumb unwittingly to darkness.

2. Now if you are on the side of darkness then it is perhaps less likely though if you are after control you need to be "in there" so to speak controlling - getting contracts, doing deals, etc. I know that it was a novel, albeit repudedly an esoteric autobiography but if you read Frabrato the Magician by Franz bardon you will find that all of the dark lads in the lodge were in business. There is good reason for that.

3. Everyone needs to eat.


Just some thoughts.

This sounds pretty elaborate. Here's a more mundane and likely explanation:-

Leo Zagami is a Walter Mitty character who really wants to be famous. The clue that he doesn't actually belong to a clandestine organisation that runs the world, is that he can't muster the resources to survive at even a modest standard of living without taking a mundane office job with a firm his wife has contacts with. The 'light lodges' of the illuminati are supposed to be incredibly powerful still yes? He claims on his own website that he's raised a clandestine army of 12,000 men for example.

If he's a 'dark' illuminati in the business world, marketing manager not even on the board of directors sounds like a pretty crappy third rate place to manipulate the world's economy, don't you think? If his credentials were real, he would at least have been able to get himself a position with McKinsey consulting or Goldman Sachs, wouldn't you have thought?

'Recently divorced marketing manager of a Norwegian firm that makes radiators' just doesn't have quite the same zing to it.

His wife has caught on that he's an embarrassingly bad bullshitter desperately hoping to become famous amongst the existing market of people who spend money on conferences about ufos and secret lizard rulers, left him (not least because she was tired of people finding out what Leo was up to in his spare time and laughing out loud or just looking embarrassed at parties), and his fantasies are all he has left.

Fulford with his ninja claims are in about the same league. It's possible he doesn't believe it himself and he's just laughing at the credulous people who lap it up. A really good Internet troll job.

What is it about Zagami that suggests this depressing and mundane little explanation isn't in fact the case ?

[stewart edwards]

Come on foobar you have let yourself down a bit with he can't muster the resources to survive at even a modest standard of living without taking a mundane office job with a firm his wife has contacts with.Is it not possible that he actually may have wanted that job? I dont know, but character assassinations are not helpful.

If he's a 'dark' illuminati in the business world, marketing manager not even on the board of directors sounds like a pretty crappy third rate place to manipulate the world's economy, don't you think?Not necessarily, it all depends on what his role is in life - what his purpose is. Esoterically this is a facinating area.


If his credentials were real, he would at least have been able to get himself a position with McKinsey consulting or Goldman Sachs, wouldn't you have thought?I used to work for a global firm, I am not sure that I would want to again, and I doubt that I would be able to. There are advantages to small and local.

'Recently divorced marketing manager of a Norwegian firm that makes radiators' just doesn't have quite the same zing to it.Now come on foobar I do know the point that you are making, and I am not in total disagreement with you, but this here is ego talking.

What is it about Zagami that suggests this depressing and mundane little explanation isn't in fact the case ?I guess that I just like him. I met him several times some years back at masonic functions, and he didnt really talk much about illuminati (to me anyway). But I found him pleasant, funny, hard working, thoughtful. There are some photos kicking around in the masonic world with me, him and loads of other masons from around the world. If anyone has a copy I would appreciate an email with it attached.

I think that his heart is in the right place, but he is doing things in a way that I think dont help him. If I were out to change the world, yes I would tell the world, but mostly I would just get on and do it.

And no lightgiver I am not out to change the world, merely rebalance it.

[foobar]

So he seemed like a nice guy. Okay.

The guy claims to be royalty, leader of a 12,000 man army and senior member of a secret cult that rules the world who has just announced that he's managed to change the course of world history by disciplining some wayward members.

But in the week, he's a marketing manager at a firm that makes radiators. Because obviously, the leader of a 12,000 man army still has to take dull little office positions to pay his rent.

It's absurd. Just absurd.

I know I sound terribly harsh, but surely somebody would have to be out of their mind not to see this ?

[zero1]

No, let me explain why....

1. If you are on the side of light, genuinely on the side of light, you are not driven by the love of money. It is quite possible that a Grand Master could be a postman or a cleaner. In fact this is a good sign that a lodge is a lodge of light. Rank, status etc are like money, one of the fastest route to darkness known by man, not per se but because of the yes men, wanabees, train set owners, brown nosers, egos, etc etc can divert and pollute energies over time. It is for this reason that institutions of light can succumb unwittingly to darkness.

2. Now if you are on the side of darkness then it is perhaps less likely though if you are after control you need to be "in there" so to speak controlling - getting contracts, doing deals, etc. I know that it was a novel, albeit repudedly an esoteric autobiography but if you read Frabrato the Magician by Franz bardon you will find that all of the dark lads in the lodge were in business. There is good reason for that.

3. Everyone needs to eat.


Just some thoughts.

Good post.

I see the Freemasons down my local lodge driving into their Egyptian fantasy playground in pretty nice cars and even the odd grubby truck, as after all they're still Doctors, Lawyers, Craftsmen, business owners, accountants etc.

IE. they have jobs and have to earn a living, apparently like anyone else.

[foobar]

Good post.

I see the Freemasons down my local lodge driving into their Egyptian fantasy playground in pretty nice cars and even the odd grubby truck, as after all they're still Doctors, Lawyers, Craftsmen, business owners, accountants etc.

IE. they have jobs and have to earn a living, apparently like anyone else.

Yes. That's the clue that these guys aren't actually controlling the world's economy and governments. They've joined a mystically-themed social club they attend, and they otherwise are Doctors, Lawyers, Craftsmen etc..

Leo Zagami claims to be a member of a secret echelon on control of this organisation and numerous others that actually rules the world. He claims to have raised an army of 12,000 men. Those accountants and doctors don't.

It's bullshit. Obviously bullshit.

[stewart edwards]

Foobar

I am sure that everyone can read between the lines as well as anyone else.

My point is simply ask yourself why you appear to be so upset? So if Leo is as you suggest a Walt then what harm does it do?

Look at me foobar. I am one of the most socially awkward people around, I have a habit of rocking boats when I see people claiming one thing and doing another, and to many I may well be seen as a failure in life. Yet that has not stopped me doing what I do and making a difference, in my case without actually trying to (I just focused on making me a better me), it just happened.

Now who knows what Gods plan is for Leo. Who knows at what stage he is on his personal journey of awakening. Who know what he will achieve tomorrow or next year. I get frustrated when I hear him interrupt interviewers, when he repeats lengthy stuff, but these are failings that I have had in the past myself so I cant complain.

Leo like the rest of us is here for a reason. I just wish he would come on here and answer questions directly (short and succinctly).

[zero1]

Leo Zagami claims to be a member of a secret echelon on control of this organisation and numerous others that actually rules the world. He claims to have raised an army of 12,000 men. Those accountants and doctors don't.

It's bullshit. Obviously bullshit.

Actually, in fairness, Zagami is a defector; he's an 'out' man who claims he was on the inside of said power structures. He's ex-Illuminati, apparently, as according to himself. But he still has the inside scoop, or so he says.

Even if it is bullshit, it's very entertaining bullshit.

[foobar]

I have no problem at all with people viewing it as entertainment. It's just I expect that he'll be trying to make money out of it soon enough.

It would be a shame if anybody was taken in. It's just so painfully obvious that he's lying, I'm always amazed why people are taken in by things like this.

[elirien]

Well this was quite the waste of time as I guessed. On the coke thing I think you guys are right. Blabbering about things and promoting their own respective orders doesn't solve anything.

[zero1]

Foobar

I am sure that everyone can read between the lines as well as anyone else.

My point is simply ask yourself why you appear to be so upset? So if Leo is as you suggest a Walt then what harm does it do?

Look at me foobar. I am one of the most socially awkward people around, I have a habit of rocking boats when I see people claiming one thing and doing another, and to many I may well be seen as a failure in life. Yet that has not stopped me doing what I do and making a difference, in my case without actually trying to (I just focused on making me a better me), it just happened.

Now who knows what Gods plan is for Leo. Who knows at what stage he is on his personal journey of awakening. Who know what he will achieve tomorrow or next year. I get frustrated when I hear him interrupt interviewers, when he repeats lengthy stuff, but these are failings that I have had in the past myself so I cant complain.

Leo like the rest of us is here for a reason. I just wish he would come on here and answer questions directly (short and succinctly).

My personal feeling is that Zagami is spot on about different vying Factions within the Catholic Church, Freemasonry, Order of Malta and the "esoteric estabishment" impacting greatly world affairs in general, and has a good understanding of the basics.

If he or Fulford were even a quarter right about what they're talking about, it would bear further investigation and merit attenation to some degree. In any case, I am not paying for this information; it is free, and I'm not feeling in any way ripped off by viewing two human beings giving their perspective on the obviously shady state of affairs behind the scenes of world power. In fact, I rather appreciate it.

But that's me.

[lizzy]

lol @

The CIA and the pentagon are getting ready to take them on.

LOL, is right...in my books they are both nwo stooges, and make a complete mockery of the agenda....yes, Benji it is a Eugenics Program, not a comedy show.

[zero1]

lol @

The CIA and the pentagon are getting ready to take them on.

He didn't actually say that, Fulford just said the CIA was part of the power structure allied to certain factions that oppose them. That's clearly different.

You're misrepresenting, or obviously didn't listen to the vids. Either way, it's disappointing to see Gilly jump on your bandwagon; I had credited her with more intelligence.

Obviously, especially with Foobar, there is a concerted effort to discredit this information by the old tactic of outright dismissal and derision. I wonder why.

Hmm...

[foobar]

Obviously, especially with Foobar, there is a concerted effort to discredit this information by the old tactic of outright dismissal and derision. I wonder why.

Hmm...

Two options:-

i) I'm an ordinary person with average intellectual faculties who can see that it's nonsense being spouted by a couple of fantasists who are either pulling off an internet troll for their own amusement, or soon to be selling books, videos and/or tickets to their talking engagements. When coming across something so crassly stupid and watching people nodding and saying 'hmm this information is certainly worth investigating' I feel compelled to point out the obvious.

ii) I'm actually part of some kind of conspiracy myself.

Take your pick.

[zero1]

Two options:-

i) I'm an ordinary person with average intellectual faculties who can see that it's nonsense being spouted by a couple of fantasists who are either pulling off an internet troll for their own amusement, or soon to be selling books, videos and/or tickets to their talking engagements. When coming across something so crassly stupid and watching people nodding and saying 'hmm this information is certainly worth investigating' I feel compelled to point out the obvious.

ii) I'm actually part of some kind of conspiracy myself.

Take your pick.

Option 1 will do.

I get it, you're not impressed. No problem. But the 'obvious' can be the most deceiving misrepresentation, sometimes.

One wonders then why you bother coming to a Conspiracy forum when you're so clearly cynical and level-headed.

Here, we tinfoil-hat screwjobs have to try and deal rationally and evenly with a wide array of 'crazy', eccentric, left-of-field topics and news, all the time.

I mean, none but a minority here respect Icke's Extra-dimensional shape-shifting Reptillian aliens theory of world control, but we can dismiss that without recourse to pointing out the 'obvious'.

[foobar]

Option 1 will do.

I get it, you're not impressed. No problem. But the 'obvious' can be the most deceiving misrepresentation, sometimes.

One wonders then why you bother coming to a Conspiracy forum when you're so clearly cynical and level-headed.

Here, we tinfoil-hat screwjobs have to try and deal rationally and evenly with a wide array of 'crazy', eccentric, left-of-field topics and news, all the time.

I mean, none but a minority here respect Icke's Extra-dimensional shape-shifting Reptillian aliens theory of world control, but we can dismiss that without recourse to pointing out the 'obvious'.

Is it because I said it too harshly? It really was obvious.

Seriously, it's not going to be possible to do this kind of research without a sense of humour about how ridiculous most of it's going to be.

Tubby little Americans claiming to be personal friends with ninjas teaming up with marketing managers from Norway who claim to be royal members of a secret cult that controls the world ought to set the radar off pretty smartish.

And then provoke laughter.

[zero1]

Seriously, it's not going to be possible to do this kind of research without a sense of humour about how ridiculous most of it's going to be.

Tubby little Americans claiming to be personal friends with ninjas teaming up with marketing managers from Norway who claim to be royal members of a secret cult that controls the world ought to set the radar off pretty smartish.

And then provoke laughter.

Oh I laugh, I do; honestly, sometimes I totally crack up laughing at some of the wackiness on this forum. That's all part of it, for sure.

[lizzy]

He didn't actually say that, Fulford just said the CIA was part of the power structure allied to certain factions that oppose them. That's clearly different.

You're misrepresenting, or obviously didn't listen to the vids. Either way, it's disappointing to see Gilly jump on your bandwagon; I had credited her with more intelligence.

Obviously, especially with Foobar, there is a concerted effort to discredit this information by the old tactic of outright dismissal and derision. I wonder why.Hmm...

Benji is a Rockerfella stooge, Leo is a vatican stooge, dis-infos creating confusion , if you can't see through it , so be it. Geez, on the Rense show , Benji reckoned the Taiwanese did 9-11......:eek:

btw , I think you mean me not Gilly...but whomever you are referring to.....I know there's a power play for "king of the world"....but these 2 are part of the 'feel good' global elite hoax...the only people the nwo have'nt brought into their fractional banking corrupt cabal, they have already bombed back to the stone age........the elite already own china / asia.....that's where all the wests' manufacturing went!!!

yes, 3 yrs, 2012, total world zionist , totalitarian , scientific control........

[foobar]

Benji is a Rockerfella stooge, Leo is a vatican stooge, dis-infos creating confusion , if you can't see through it , so be it. Geez, on the Rense show , Benji reckoned the Taiwanese did 9-11......:eek:

btw , I think you mean me not Gilly...but whomever you are referring to.....I know there's a power play for "king of the world"....but these 2 are part of the 'feel good' global elite hoax...the only people the nwo have'nt brought into their fractional banking corrupt cabal, they have already bombed back to the stone age........the elite already own china / asia.....that's where all the wests' manufacturing went!!!

yes, 3 yrs, 2012, total world zionist , totalitarian , scientific control........

Neither of them work for any big scary power structure. There just a couple of clowns/fantasists (I'm guessing clown in Ben's case, fantasist in Leo's case) looking for a little internet fame.

[zero1]

Benji is a Rockerfella stooge, Leo is a vatican stooge, dis-infos creating confusion , if you can't see through it , so be it. Geez, on the Rense show , Benji reckoned the Taiwanese did 9-11......:eek:

btw , I think you mean me not Gilly...but whomever you are referring to.....I know there's a power play for "king of the world"....but these 2 are part of the 'feel good' global elite hoax...the only people the nwo have'nt brought into their fractional banking corrupt cabal, they have already bombed back to the stone age........the elite already own china / asia.....that's where all the wests' manufacturing went!!!

yes, 3 yrs, 2012, total world zionist , totalitarian , scientific control........

Fair enough, mistyped, sorry Lizzy. :)

[eyepod]

Neither of them work for any big scary power structure. There just a couple of clowns/fantasists (I'm guessing clown in Ben's case, fantasist in Leo's case) looking for a little internet fame.

Fulford was Asian Bureau Cheif for the world renowned Forbes financial magazine. See an article he wrote for them here : http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/15/sp05_03_bfulford_.html.

So he gives up a lucrative career to pretend to fight the NWO :rolleyes:

He then manages to get an interview with David Rockerfeller, despite his supposed anti-NWO retoric and anti-NWO ninja chums. So he can't be that much of clown, despite him coming across on his videos as an alcoholic, drug addict or nutter (maybe all 3 :p)

Benjamin Fulford（フルフォード・ベンジャミン）(born 1961) is a journalist, author and researcher of Canadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) descent living in Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan). He is descended from the Fulford clan, one of Canada's blue-blood families, although he also claims Polish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_people)-Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_people) ancestry on his mother's side....His father was a Canadian ambassador.http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rGg84X04BIU/RzkKULF7dUI/AAAAAAAABOQ/6AMQHjXxL8M/s200/Fulfordrock.jpg

[zero1]

Fulford worked as a reporter for the world renowned Forbes financial magazine - he headed up the far east section. See an article he wrote for them here : http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/15/sp05_03_bfulford_.html.

So he gives up a lucrative career to pretend to fight the NWO :rolleyes:

He then manages to get an interview with David Rockerfeller, despite his supposed anti-NWO retoric and anti-NWO ninja chums. So he can't be that much of clown, despite him coming across on his videos as an alcoholic, drug addict or nutter (maybe all 3 :p)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rGg84X04BIU/RzkKULF7dUI/AAAAAAAABOQ/6AMQHjXxL8M/s200/Fulfordrock.jpg

Good post.

He thus has better credentials than Icke, Jones, Watt; frankly better credentials than any conspiracy researcher or even regular mainstream journalist, obviously.

No-one gives up wealth to be a pretend Conspiracy guru. No-one.

All this huff and puff derision just falls flat.

Not that it really matters in the end, anyway...

[foobar]

Fulford was Asian Bureau Cheif for the world renowned Forbes financial magazine. See an article he wrote for them here : http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/15/sp05_03_bfulford_.html.

So he gives up a lucrative career to pretend to fight the NWO :rolleyes:

Yeah, David Icke gave up a career as a TV frontman to warn the world about Lizard people. It's called mental illness. All kinds of people can suffer from it.


He then manages to get an interview with David Rockerfeller, despite his supposed anti-NWO retoric and anti-NWO ninja chums. So he can't be that much of clown, despite him coming across on his videos as an alcoholic, drug addict or nutter (maybe all 3 :p)

He also said that he got the interview because his family were friends of the Rockefeller family. They probably are.

But look at these two scenarios and tell me which is more likely:-

i) Kid from rich family jacks it all in due to some form of breakdown whilst living in Japan. Starts making up nonsense about ninjas and secret world government. Manages to get an interview with a rich and powerful old family friend who spends the interview looking somewhat puzzled and a little saddened by what's happened to poor little Benji. Joins forces with another Walter Mitty character who thinks he's European royalty and also a member of said world-controlling cult, but who is actually just some dude with a boring little day job selling radiators. If enough people fall for it, they'll make money from books and speaking tours.

ii) Member of Illuminati familly breaks cover to negotiate a peace between said illuminati and the people of the world, backed by a secret ninja army. Joins forces with leader in the European branch, who just happens to be selling radiators as cover, but keeps on selling radiators after blowing his own cover (whilst organising a secret army of 12000 men. somewhere)

Stop for a moment, think which one is more likely to be true?

This is a bad thriller novel plot, not a geopolitical analysis.

[eyepod]

Yeah, David Icke gave up a career as a TV frontman to warn the world about Lizard people. It's called mental illness. All kinds of people can suffer from it.



He also said that he got the interview because his family were friends of the Rockefeller family. They probably are.

But look at these two scenarios and tell me which is more likely:-

i) Kid from rich family jacks it all in due to some form of breakdown whilst living in Japan. Starts making up nonsense about ninjas and secret world government. Manages to get an interview with a rich and powerful old family friend who spends the interview looking somewhat puzzled and a little saddened by what's happened to poor little Benji. Joins forces with another Walter Mitty character who thinks he's European royalty and also a member of said world-controlling cult, but who is actually just some dude with a boring little day job selling radiators. If enough people fall for it, they'll make money from books and speaking tours.

ii) Member of Illuminati familly breaks cover to negotiate a peace between said illuminati and the people of the world, backed by a secret ninja army. Joins forces with leader in the European branch, who just happens to be selling radiators as cover, but keeps on selling radiators after blowing his own cover (whilst organising a secret army of 12000 men. somewhere)

Stop for a moment, think which one is more likely to be true?

This is a bad thriller novel plot, not a geopolitical analysis.

But maybe, just maybe Zagami and his radiators are a cunning double bluff - the radiator business is just a cover in order to smuggle in secret ninja weaponary into the West where the Illuminati will finally be thwarted by Fulfords team of ninjas and Zagami's radiators.

Don't get me wrong I don't disagree with you but I don't think these guys are necessarily nutters (they could be). But neither do I think they are working on our behalf to defeat the NWO.

IMO they're plants (knowlingly or not) being used to discredit any opposition to globalization. Ninjas / reptilians / 2012 / Nibiru and all the other crazy stuff that gets around on forums like this is designed to make any one against the NWO to appear to the uninitiated outsider as a delusional nut case and so they throw the baby out with the bath water

[foobar]

But maybe, just maybe Zagami and his radiators are a cunning double bluff - the radiator business is just a cover in order to smuggle in secret ninja weaponary into the West where the Illuminati will finally be thwarted by Fulfords team of ninjas and Zagami's radiators.

Don't get me wrong I don't disagree with you but I don't think these guys are necessarily nutters (they could be). But neither do I think they are working on our behalf to defeat the NWO.

IMO they're plants (knowlingly or not) being used to discredit any opposition to globalization. Ninjas / reptilians / 2012 / Nibiru and all the other crazy stuff that gets around on forums like this is designed to make any one against the NWO to appear to the uninitiated outsider as a delusional nut case and so they throw the baby out with the bath water

It's possible but very elaborate. Occam's razor ought to be applied.

Whether it's some deliberate attempt to deflect investigation of real malfeasance, or simply the attempt by a couple of mentally unhinged fantasists to earn money on the 'conspiracy speaker and author' circuit, it ought to be offered the same response.

Laughter, followed by 'you must think we're stupid, go back to selling radiators'.

[elirien]

Well as far as Zagami goes, he went through an excorcism but betrayed the people involved in it calling them names and later on said that he was the prophet of Matrixism. As far as the people involved say, he is now still on the power trip and can't get over that he was and still is used by the same people who tortured him in rome.

[aura]

Thanks for the links.
It looks like Benjamin Fulford is on Cocaine.

[aura]

He also said that he got the interview because his family were friends of the Rockefeller family. They probably are.

I don't think this is correct. I'm sure he mentioned insted that they had killed his Grandad (or similar) who was trying to fund Tesla.

[decim]

Some interesting words anagrammed from leon zagami

9 Chars:
19 ANALOGIZE

8 Chars:
11 EGOMANIA
20 MAGAZINE
11 MAGNOLIA

7 Chars:
7 AEOLIAN
17 AGONIZE
19 AMAZING
10 ANGIOMA
10 GAMELAN
10 GEMINAL
9 LAMINAE
10 LOAMING
8 LOGANIA

6 Chars:
9 AGLEAM
7 AGNAIL
16 AGNIZE
7 AGONAL
17 AMAZON
7 ANALOG
8 ANEMIA
8 ANIMAL
7 ANLAGE
8 ANOMIE
15 AZONAL
7 ELOIGN
9 ENIGMA
6 EOLIAN
7 GALENA
9 GAMINE
7 GENIAL
9 GLIOMA
7 GOALIE
8 LAMIAE
8 LAMINA
9 LAMING
7 LAOGAI
16 LAZING
7 LEGION
9 LEGMAN
7 LINAGE
9 LINGAM
8 LOMEIN
9 MAGIAN
9 MALIGN
8 MALINE
9 MANAGE
9 MANGEL
9 MANGLE
8 MANILA
18 MAZING
8 MENIAL
9 MILAGE
9 MINGLE
8 MOLINE
8 OILMAN
8 OILMEN

[decim]

benjamin fulford

10 Chars:
16 FLORIBUNDA
18 FORMIDABLE
18 FUNNELFORM
13 NONDURABLE
16 UNFINDABLE
16 UNINFORMED

9 Chars:
12 BANDOLIER
13 BROMELAIN
14 BROMELIAD
18 BUFFALOED
12 DENOMINAL
12 MANDOLINE
15 REMINDFUL
10 UNDERLAIN
15 UNIFORMED
11 UNMANLIER
12 UNRIDABLE

8 Chars:
12 AEROBIUM
17 AFFIRMED
11 AIRBOUND
13 AMBEROID
11 BANDEROL
10 BANNEROL
19 BENJAMIN
16 BIFORMED
11 BILANDER
11 BLONDINE
13 BOARDMEN
12 BROMELIN
11 DEBONAIR
11 DEMONIAN
14 DREAMFUL
11 ENDBRAIN
11 EUDAIMON
13 FIBRANNE
14 FINDABLE
12 FLOUNDER
14 FLUIDRAM
12 FLUORIDE
11 FLUORINE
14 FORBIDAL
14 FORDABLE
12 FORELAND
15 FORELIMB
15 FORMABLE
13 FORMALIN
13 FORMULAE
11 FRAULEIN
14 FULMINED
13 FUMAROLE
13 IMBOLDEN
11 INFERNAL
14 INFLAMED
13 INFLAMER
12 INFOLDER
9 INLANDER
10 INURBANE
20 JANIFORM
17 JOINABLE
11 LABOURED
14 LANDFORM
11 LEMUROID
13 MANDIBLE
11 MANDOLIN

[gods sun]

reasearchers who seek money are no better than the NWO!!!!

[zero1]

benjamin fulford

10 Chars:
16 FLORIBUNDA
18 FORMIDABLE
18 FUNNELFORM
13 NONDURABLE
16 UNFINDABLE
16 UNINFORMED

9 Chars:
12 BANDOLIER
13 BROMELAIN
14 BROMELIAD
18 BUFFALOED
12 DENOMINAL
12 MANDOLINE
15 REMINDFUL
10 UNDERLAIN
15 UNIFORMED
11 UNMANLIER
12 UNRIDABLE

8 Chars:
12 AEROBIUM
17 AFFIRMED
11 AIRBOUND
13 AMBEROID
11 BANDEROL
10 BANNEROL
19 BENJAMIN
16 BIFORMED
11 BILANDER
11 BLONDINE
13 BOARDMEN
12 BROMELIN
11 DEBONAIR
11 DEMONIAN
14 DREAMFUL
11 ENDBRAIN
11 EUDAIMON
13 FIBRANNE
14 FINDABLE
12 FLOUNDER
14 FLUIDRAM
12 FLUORIDE
11 FLUORINE
14 FORBIDAL
14 FORDABLE
12 FORELAND
15 FORELIMB
15 FORMABLE
13 FORMALIN
13 FORMULAE
11 FRAULEIN
14 FULMINED
13 FUMAROLE
13 IMBOLDEN
11 INFERNAL
14 INFLAMED
13 INFLAMER
12 INFOLDER
9 INLANDER
10 INURBANE
20 JANIFORM
17 JOINABLE
11 LABOURED
14 LANDFORM
11 LEMUROID
13 MANDIBLE
11 MANDOLIN

Did you actually sit down and work out all those anagrams?

[phemohilia]

I'm not exactly sure when it was, maybe a year ago, maybe two, but the first time I ever layed eyes on that Zagami character I heard a little voice inside of me pipe up and say, "This man is a Liar and is NOT to be trusted!!".... I usually tend to listen to that little voice on most things.....

As for Fulford, well, suffice it to say I feel the same about him....

[tusme]

To me, Fulford & Zagami appear to be "elitist foot-soldiers", much like Obama is...puppets for those at the top of the pyramid...!!

Why, if these people are so intent on using people like Obama, Fulford & Zagami to be their, supposed, "mouthpiece", do they not come out and do so themselves...!?

At least then, we know who the "enemy" is/was...if that is really their intention, to fix this World they have fucked up...then that, would give us all the opportuity to see for ourselves whether they're sincere...or not!!

Why do these "elitist" not get it...!? Fucking up the Earth is half the problem...!! Their desire/intention to stay in the "SHADOWS" is an even bigger bloody problem...!! ...and always WILL be, imho!

With Fulford & Zagami, they're simply "creating another tier in the pyramid"...only to do us (the masses), at a later date...fuck that!! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

[thirdwave]

I will listen to this properly later, but if they are so powerful this alliance then why is this video not on MS TV? .. rather than a random UTube vid?

hhhmmm

[tusme]

I will listen to this properly later, but if they are so powerful this alliance then why is this video not on MS TV? .. rather than a random UTube vid?

hhhmmm
Exactly!! :confused: ...eggs & basket, comes to mind...!? :)

[foobar]

To me, Fulford & Zagami appear to be "elitist foot-soldiers", much like Obama is...puppets for those at the top of the pyramid...!!

Why, if these people are so intent on using people like Obama, Fulford & Zagami to be their, supposed, "mouthpiece", do they not come out and do so themselves...!?

Do you seriously consider the President of the United States to be in the same league as a radiator marketing manager from Oslo?

[tusme]

Do you seriously consider the President of the United States to be in the same league as a radiator marketing manager from Oslo?
Well, if that's the best you can do to analyse this situation, then imho, it explains the reason the "elite" believe, people such as Obama, Fulford & Zagami could be used to further their agenda...ie, hoodwink the masses...!!

Put is this way, instead of looking at this "illuminati announcement" from the position you're at upwards...observe it from above the pyramid down...perhaps, you might just catch a glimpse of the Truth...!? ;) :)

[stewart edwards]

Do you seriously consider the President of the United States to be in the same league as a radiator marketing manager from Oslo?Come on foobar, listen to yourself, really listen. I do get the point that you are making but this really is blinded ego. Who know what Leo may have achieved in the past or in the future.

Take me as an example (and many would like to:D):-

1. As a child I was broken, from a welfare background and single parent family. A social outcast in some ways as I found it difficult to fit in. I ended up qualified in the professions in a global firm (Price Waterhouse).

2. Nowadays some see me as a failure as I am a carer and because I rock the boat (gently to encourage thought to make things better) yet I also have gained a level of esoteric knowedlge and closenes to God than many spend their lives trying to get. And I did this in a decade of conscious work. Now I find that my level of esoteric understanding is probably among the top ten percentile in the world (made up figure). Add to this I have been with my wife for twenty one years this year (not all married) and have two children, which I know that some see this as a major success in life today. And I inspire people in several different fields globally, often against conventional wisdom (eg my work in the masonic world from the outside, in multi-sports as an obese man, all of which is proveable, and indeed some of it has been confirmed by those involved on forums at one time or another).

My point foobar knock Leo as much as you like for valid reasons, but when you do it because "he is a radiator marketing manager from oslo" says more about you in a negative way than it does about Leo. You never know what someone achieves especially if it lies outwithg you own circle of awareness.

As you know from my posts here I often question Leo much more heavily than most here, but I do think that you need to ask yourself why Leo bothers you so much. Is it because he is a Freemason who is publicly confirming all of the nwo type stuff that goes on in some lodges in some fraternities, even if not in your own?

I mean would you consider a carer and parent who without trying inspires people globally in several fields to be a failure? Some do. I would agrue that I do far more for society than most people could ever achieve on their committees. You just dont know (and neither do I as I havent spoken to Leo for years) what Leo has achieved in the past, or what he could achieve in the future. And you never know he may just be telling the truth. It may just be that he doesnt present it the best way he could/gets carried away. Who knows?

[elirien]

Come on foobar, listen to yourself, really listen. I do get the point that you are making but this really is blinded ego. Who know what Leo may have achieved in the past or in the future.

Take me as an example (and many would like to:D):-

1. As a child I was broken, from a welfare background and single parent family. A social outcast in some ways as I found it difficult to fit in. I ended up qualified in the professions in a global firm (Price Waterhouse).

2. Nowadays some see me as a failure as I am a carer and because I rock the boat (gently to encourage thought to make things better) yet I also have gained a level of esoteric knowedlge and closenes to God than many spend their lives trying to get. And I did this in a decade of conscious work. Now I find that my level of esoteric understanding is probably among the top ten percentile in the world (made up figure). Add to this I have been with my wife for twenty one years this year (not all married) and have two children, which I know that some see this as a major success in life today. And I inspire people in several different fields globally, often against conventional wisdom (eg my work in the masonic world from the outside, in multi-sports as an obese man, all of which is proveable, and indeed some of it has been confirmed by those involved on forums at one time or another).

My point foobar knock Leo as much as you like for valid reasons, but when you do it because "he is a radiator marketing manager from oslo" says more about you in a negative way than it does about Leo. You never know what someone achieves especially if it lies outwithg you own circle of awareness.

As you know from my posts here I often question Leo much more heavily than most here, but I do think that you need to ask yourself why Leo bothers you so much. Is it because he is a Freemason who is publicly confirming all of the nwo type stuff that goes on in some lodges in some fraternities, even if not in your own?

I mean would you consider a carer and parent who without trying inspires people globally in several fields to be a failure? Some do. I would agrue that I do far more for society than most people could ever achieve on their committees. You just dont know (and neither do I as I havent spoken to Leo for years) what Leo has achieved in the past, or what he could achieve in the future. And you never know he may just be telling the truth. It may just be that he doesnt present it the best way he could/gets carried away. Who knows?

That is very true. Many enlightened persons work in what is for many seen as meen Jobs. Although Leo Zagami is in another fraction. You won't see the real enlightened persons on youtube claiming to forming an alliance. Abdullah Hashem had a wonderful sentence on that one: "When Jesus returns you won't see him on CNN". :D

[thirdwave]

I dont think these people are agents and so on, I think there is much much less of that than people make out.. I simply think there are lots of whores out there than will lie and cheat to make a few quid... but you cant live your lives to sceptical or you just turn into a narrow minded person controlled by money your self.. but I do not buy these guys personally....

[elirien]

yup. very true.

[foobar]

Stewart, I know what you're trying to say.

You object to the fact that I use a mocking tone with regards to somebody's way of making a living.

I don't do it because I think I'm inherently better than the marketing manager of a radiator firm, or a carer, or somebody who's completely penniless for whatever reason.

I'm doing it to try and highlight the absurdity of the situation.

You may well be a highly refined and educated individual. Working as a carer in no way disproves or detracts from that. Nor would it if you were a used car salesman, or a street sweeper.

Mockery of the type I've just used would only come into play if you claimed to be a high ranking member of a secret organisation which rules the world, which of course you don't do.

Leo does. I'm satirising him.

[lizzy]

Leo can be a radiator. Benji a double column accounting page..., they are both frausters trying to hoodwink truthers.....tools of the pyschopathic elite.

[thirdwave]

Leo can be a radiator. Benji a double column accounting page..., they are both frausters trying to hoodwink truthers.....tools of the pyschopathic elite.

You have no ideas if they are working for the elite... no idea what's so ever.. blind accusations...

[lizzy]

You have no ideas if they are working for the elite... no idea what's so ever.. blind accusations...

LOL :D...so just anyone gets a date with David Rockerfeller do they?????. :p

Stick with the mystics wave, your lousy at the real thing. (the nwo).

[thirdwave]

LOL :D...so just anyone gets a date with David Rockerfeller do they?????. :p

Stick with the mystics wave, your lousy at the real thing. (the nwo).

??? what??? was that???

1, you do not have to be a member of the elite to meet David Rockerfella...

2, How do you know these people have had a date with him??

3, I repeat you are stating your opinion which is by no means fact.. you have no idea they are working for the elite yet you inform people they do.... simple as that.

You put out blind information, should you be proven wrong you would appear and complete fool.

[lizzy]

2, How do you know these people have had a date with him??
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LOL, oh wave , give it up .pleeeaase.:rolleyes:

Benji's interview with DR ,!!!....So you reckon DR just comes when he's called , LOL.........or perhaps a million ninja's scared him , LOL.

.like I said stay in mysticville .


btw, last post to you wave..your a waste of time.

[thirdwave]

Benji's interview with DR ,!!!.....like I said stay in mysticville .

Ahhhh so it was an interview... so now one cant interview a person without them being in on it together.... You facts and research is a credit to the movement Lizzy...

and the fact that the whole internet can see him with him and seen he interviewed him must be because they were un able to keep their partnership secret!

Like I said... You have NO EVIDENCE WHAT'S SO OVER... NOT A SPECK, other than your suspicion.. yet you would educate unaware people about this as if it was fact.. which means you are a contribution to disinformation.

Im just pointing out facts here...

Im not saying i know... YOU are.

here is your evidence

Benjamin Fulford vs. David Rockefeller Sr. - YouTube

of course the interview had nothing to do with it being for sale here..

http://www.911eyewitness.com/shop-categories.html?c=6

[lizzy]

...'I could have had him brought to me tied up with a vibrator up his ass" LOL....

You really don't have any idea what the Rockefeller Foundation is or who and what they own do you?......get real wave...

edit....the nwo has never been your arena......stay with tarot cards.

[thirdwave]

...'I could have had him brought to me tied up with a vibrator up his ass" LOL....

You really don't have any idea what the Rockefeller Foundation is or who and what they own do you?......get real wave.....grow half a brain.

Well your idea of knowing things is very suspicious as i have just pointed out... so I do not think you are in any position to judge others of what they Know..

The facts are that you know nothing about this person WHATS SO EVER... Yet you are standing here actually arguing with me because I do not except what you think as fact... implying I no nothing about the Rockefeller manipulation in the world...

its actually very comical....

I am suspicious of those who make bold claims but offer invisible facts backed only by there own willingness to make it sound true and their own suspicious... these are the people I am more suspicious of....

[lizzy]

[QUOTE=thirdwave;1053303]Well your idea of knowing things is very suspicious as i have just pointed out... so I do not think you are in any position to judge others of what they Know..

QUOTE]

I am NOT judging , I am giving an OPINION........they are both STOOGES!!!:rolleyes:

As for my way of "knowing", well at least I read and don't cast spells and throw cards to get my thoughts figured out.

G'day wave, bye bye.

[thirdwave]

[QUOTE=thirdwave;1053303]Well your idea of knowing things is very suspicious as i have just pointed out... so I do not think you are in any position to judge others of what they Know..

QUOTE]

I am NOT judging , I am giving an OPINION........they are both STOOGES!!!:rolleyes:

As for my way of "knowing", well at least I read and don't cast spells and throw cards to get my thoughts figured out.

G'day wave, bye bye.

Another silly accusation based on limited knowledge :rolleyes:.. its never ending...

You did not say it was your opinion.. you announced it and then criticised me for stating that you had no information to state such a thing as fact.. which you dont... the only reason you have done so is because I have pointed it out.

and as for your ignorent outlook on tarrot cards.. it shows how little you know about where the elite come from..

http://www.tarotexperts.com/images/tower.gif

you like to mock these things and on the other hand try to fill people with fear while pointing the finger at the very people who live their lives into such things.. and have proven to be very effective with them...

its all hocus pocus when people like me are inspired by it but when the elite do it its all very satanic damaging and real.. isn't it?... wake up, or give up.. one of the two.

[lizzy]

The carrot dards were give to you to play with so go play....the nwo is'nt a game to me.

[thirdwave]

The carrot dards were give to you to play with so go play....the nwo is'nt a game to me.

your ignorance speaks for its self...

[lizzy]

hi wave, bye wave...whata joker,

[

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and as for your ignorent outlook on tarrot cards.. it shows how little you know about where the elite come from..

[.

LOL :eek:......you know for sure where they came from?........LOL......You big man , you big brain. LOL

My money is on they survived the last ice age , not from the stars.......but on that I always open to review....what I am not open to is lalaland, the newage mind control........

byeeeeeee

[thirdwave]

hi wave, bye wave...whata joker,



LOL :eek:......you know where they came from?......Oh , and I don't!!....LOL......You big man , you big brain. LOL

I dont really have a big brain.. its just far bigger than yours, thats the shocking thing for me..

and you have no idea where Tarot cards come from and I cringe to think where and when you think they came from..... what I find amusing is the way its not that you disprove of them as such.. but the way you mock them as if they have no substance at all, ig is simply pure ignorance... you are simply a computer program and with that I will refrain from getting sucked into another ignorant debate with a program.. you do however become more see through by the day ...

[lizzy]

you are simply a computer program and with that i will refrain from getting sucked into another ignorant debate with a program.. You do however become more see through by the day ...


but at least i am de-programmed, lol :d your STILL USING THE SILLY GAMES THE ELITE GAVE YOU..........that will really help humanity through, LOL

[bluehorseman]

Fight fight fight fight....

[tusme]

Hi Lizzy & Thirdwave...

You're both very intelligent people, imho...!!

While I admit, both of you have very valid and interesting points, however, what does it matter if it causes us to be a "divided people"...!? :confused:

C'mon my friends...!? No-one owns or knows "ALL Truth", thus, unless we pool our energy's together (in Truth, Love & Peace), only then, will it be possible to get closer to "ALL Truth"...in this Physical ream, that is!!

Take it easy my friends...!? ;) :)

[thirdwave]

Hi Lizzy & Thirdwave...

You're both very intelligent people, imho...!!

While I admit, both of you have very valid and interesting points, however, what does it matter if it causes us to be a "divided people"...!? :confused:

C'mon my friends...!? No-one owns or knows "ALL Truth", thus, unless we pool our energy's together (in Truth, Love & Peace), only then, will it be possible to get closer to "ALL Truth"...in this Physical ream, that is!!

Take it easy my friends...!? ;) :)

I see what stance you are taking and fair enough but I don't know why you tell me this as that was the very point I was trying to get across to Lizzy :)... that we all have our views, but it is foolish to insert them as fact and to preach it as such to others...

Lizzy comes here to promote the works of AW, and has done since she logged on here, at times very much trying to promote his accusations of David Icke being an agent and so on.... mocking most of his spiritual works and so forth... So its clear where any devision should come from...

I do not claim to know who these people here are, But as I have said, I have my OPINION... and would never make it out to people as if I NEW so... when we simply dont.

this was the small point I tried to battle across.

[anthony65]

Fight fight fight fight....

What a corker! :D

[anthony65]

I see what stance you are taking and fair enough but I don't know why you tell me this as that was the very point I was trying to get across to Lizzy :)... that we all have our views, but it is fulling to insert them as fact and to preach it as such to others...

Lizzy comes here to promote the works of AW, and has done since she logged on here, at times very much trying to promote his accusations of David Icke being an agent and so on.... mocking most of his spiritual works and so forth... So its clear where any devision should come from...

I do not claim to know who these people, But as I have said, I have my OPINION... and would never make it out to people as if I NEW so... when we simply dont.

this was the small point I tried to battle across.


Sorry.. But AW?

** Great fight by the way! :D

[thirdwave]

Sorry.. But AW?

** Great fight by the way! :D

;)

Alan Snot ..

the guy who thinks pretty much everyone else apart from him are CIA agents.

[tusme]

Hi Thirdwave,

I see what stance you are taking and fair enough but I don't know why you tell me this as that was the very point I was trying to get across to Lizzy :)... that we all have our views, but it is fulling to insert them as fact and to preach it as such to others...
Well, tbh, as regards this "Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement" video goes, I'm actually in agreement with Lizzy...

Indeed, everyone is entitled to their own opinions...and, as these video's are now in the public domain, all viewers of these video/s have a right to their opinions...no!?

Lizzy comes here to promote the works of AW, and has done since she logged on here, at times very much trying to promote his accusations of David Icke being an agent and so on.... mocking most of his spiritual works and so forth... So its clear where any devision should come from...
Well, perhaps, that is the reason for your differing with Lizzy, then, isn't it...!? :)

I don't know much about AW, neither am I interested in getting to know the person...my point is, when we're debating a subject, it's important to observe the Truth about that subject...otherwise, no-one will be able to know the Truth (of that subject) if the debate is "tainted by background or unconnected issues"...know what I mean..!?

As for Lizzy's, supposed, "actions/intentions" directed at David Icke...for all we know, you could be "engaging in exactly the same operation"...:D...thats a joke, of-course, but do you see my point...that, the possibility is still there...!? So, rather than focusing our energies on such issues, why not do it in the direction (big picture) that requires it...!?

I don't know David Icke personally, however, I think it safe to say, he is fully capable of judging the DI forum membership's trustworthiness...so you feeling the need to defend David Icke or express your opinion as such (and thereby veering away from the topic :D), imho, is somewhat of a contradiction...unfortunately.

I do not claim to know who these people, But as I have said, I have my OPINION... and would never make it out to people as if I NEW so... when we simply dont.

this was the small point I tried to battle across.
Well, thats the point on which, I agreed with you...!!

Meanwhile, the "Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement" video is still an existent Truth...which we all, if Truth is our objective, need to pool our energy's and focus it on everything that transpires of their meeting and the actions of the "elite", of-course...!!

Anyway, thanks for responding...take it easy my friend...!!

Cheers!! ;) :)

[thirdwave]

Hi Thirdwave,


Well, tbh, as regards this "Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement" video goes, I'm actually in agreement with Lizzy...


good for you, her opinion was not really the point I was trying to make...

Her ignorant stance that she held facts was.

and her facts where simply that the guy (a journalist) interviewed David Rockerfella and sold the DVD on the internet.

this is the point I was making, not that I think she is wrong or right.... just that she knows no more than anyone else here despite her aloof invisible knowledge.


Indeed, everyone is entitled to their own opinions...and, as these video's are now in the public domain, all viewers of these video/s have a right to their opinions...no!?
Glad we agree, so now I adfice you to address this to the person I have been trying to tell this too... Lizzy...

here, take a look at the posts in question

My point

I dont think these people are agents and so on, I think there is much much less of that than people make out.. I simply think there are lots of whores out there than will lie and cheat to make a few quid... but you cant live your lives to sceptical or you just turn into a narrow minded person controlled by money your self.. but I do not buy these guys personally....

and lizzys

Leo can be a radiator. Benji a double column accounting page..., they are both frausters trying to hoodwink truthers.....tools of the pyschopathic elite.

of which I replied

You have no ideas if they are working for the elite... no idea what's so ever.. blind accusations...

and she said

LOL ...so just anyone gets a date with David Rockerfeller do they?????.

Stick with the mystics wave, your lousy at the real thing. (the nwo).


So I think you are addressing the wrong person.. :) , Also somone needs to inform her that THEY ARE MYSTICS .... lol

Well, perhaps, that is the reason for your differing with Lizzy, then, isn't it...!? :)

No this is the reason for me not getting on with her or her motives on the forum... My reason for diforing from her here are for the reasons I have made very clear... nice try though! :)


As for Lizzy's, supposed, "actions/intentions" directed at David Icke...for all we know, you could be "engaging in exactly the same operation"...:D...thats a joke, of-course, but do you see my point...that, the possibility is still there...!? So, rather than focusing our energies on such issues, why not do it in the direction (big picture) that requires it...!?

From this forums perspective its possible that you are a child abuser who has murdered 20 kids?... right? .. I don't know you?, but it would be wrong for me to accuse you of such because you could also be 100% innocent right? ...

Yes Icke COULD be this or that, but unless you have some genuine info that proves such... or some facts which show him doing harm to another, then to come out preaching such takes nothing more than a complete fool, or of course someone dodgy them selves.

I think if you want to raise the possibility then it should be done in a respectful and tactful manner as it is not nice to make false accusations at people.

I don't know David Icke personally, however, I think it safe to say, he is fully capable of judging the DI forum membership's trustworthiness...so you feeling the need to defend David Icke or express your opinion as such (and thereby veering away from the topic :D), imho, is somewhat of a contradiction...unfortunately.

I have no idea what you mean here, this is an open forum and it offers as much freedom of speech than possible and David Icke does not monitor it... however the modorators do and have often had big problems with people trying to troll and hi jack the forum as well as people trying to hack it.... Secondly I do not come her to defend Icke as such.. I come her to put forward my views and research... if while doing that I point out injustices and bad ethics then I will do so...

I think it is very clear your original "balanced stance" was not very genuine and you were simply defending Lizzy as she was cleary being caught up on something and you obviously share her (non-factual) beliefs..


Well, thats the point on which, I agreed with you...!!
No, it is the point you very clearly ignored me making, while telling it to me as If I needed to be told it... rather than actually re enforcing the point to the person who clearly did have a problem with anthers views when they did not except her view as a fact. lol


Meanwhile, the "Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement" video is still an existent Truth...which we all, if Truth is our objective, need to pool our energy's and focus it on everything that transpires of their meeting and the actions of the "elite", of-course...!!

Anyway, thanks for responding...take it easy my friend...!!

Cheers!! ;) :)

So you agree with Lizzy that they are agents working for the Rockefeller's, but you also think its an existent truth that we need to focus our energy on...

Ok I will take it easy and I bid you the same... but I wont lie, I am a tad confused! :)

[tusme]

good for you, her opinion was not really the point I was trying to make...

Her ignorant stance that she held facts was.

and her facts where simply that the guy (a journalist) interviewed David Rockerfella and sold the DVD on the internet.

this is the point I was making, not that I think she is wrong or right.... just that she knows no more than anyone else here despite her aloof invisible knowledge.

Glad we agree, so now I adfice you to address this to the person I have been trying to tell this too... Lizzy...

here, take a look at the posts in question

My point

I dont think these people are agents and so on, I think there is much much less of that than people make out.. I simply think there are lots of whores out there than will lie and cheat to make a few quid... but you cant live your lives to sceptical or you just turn into a narrow minded person controlled by money your self.. but I do not buy these guys personally....

and lizzys

Leo can be a radiator. Benji a double column accounting page..., they are both frausters trying to hoodwink truthers.....tools of the pyschopathic elite.

of which I replied

You have no ideas if they are working for the elite... no idea what's so ever.. blind accusations...

and she said

LOL ...so just anyone gets a date with David Rockerfeller do they?????.

Stick with the mystics wave, your lousy at the real thing. (the nwo).


So I think you are addressing the wrong person.. :) , Also somone needs to inform her that THEY ARE MYSTICS .... lol

No this is the reason for me not getting on with her or her motives on the forum... My reason for diforing from her here are for the reasons I have made very clear... nice try though! :)

From this forums perspective its possible that you are a child abuser who has murdered 20 kids?... right? .. I don't know you?, but it would be wrong for me to accuse you of such because you could also be 100% innocent right? ...

Yes Icke COULD be this or that, but unless you have some genuine info that proves such... or some facts which show him doing harm to another, then to come out preaching such takes nothing more than a complete fool, or of course someone dodgy them selves.

I think if you want to raise the possibility then it should be done in a respectful and tactful manner as it is not nice to make false accusations at people.

I have no idea what you mean here, this is an open forum and it offers as much freedom of speech than possible and David Icke does not monitor it... however the modorators do and have often had big problems with people trying to troll and hi jack the forum as well as people trying to hack it.... Secondly I do not come her to defend Icke as such.. I come her to put forward my views and research... if while doing that I point out injustices and bad ethics then I will do so...

I think it is very clear your original "balanced stance" was not very genuine and you were simply defending Lizzy as she was cleary being caught up on something and you obviously share her (non-factual) beliefs..

No, it is the point you very clearly ignored me making, while telling it to me as If I needed to be told it... rather than actually re enforcing the point to the person who clearly did have a problem with anthers views when they did not except her view as a fact. lol

So you agree with Lizzy that they are agents working for the Rockefeller's, but you also think its an existent truth that we need to focus our energy on...

Ok I will take it easy and I bid you the same... but I wont lie, I am a tad confused! :)
:D Hi Thirdwave,

I don't know Lizzy and neither do I know you, however, I recognise the Truth that you both speak/project...and it's that energy that I seek to connect with...!! I have no reason to defend you, Lizzy nor anyone else frequenting this DI forum...!!

Otherwise, I'm afraid, you're simply turning this thread into a "DI followers" vs "AW followers" issue...!? :confused:

Tbh, I don't see much difference with your and Lizzy's stance, regarding the "Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement" video & relating issues...so, imho, I simply cannot see the "big fuss", especially you, are making...!? :confused: :D

I'd be happy to debate you on this "Fulford & Zagami" video/issue, if that is what you'd like...? However, let me just ask this, though, that we stick to the topic and refrain from focussing on background, unconnected or personal issues...!? ;) :)

Dunno bout you, but I certainly would not like to see this thread dumped in the "rant room", do you...!? :D

[anthony65]

;)

Alan Snot ..

the guy who thinks pretty much everyone else apart from him are CIA agents.

Alan Snot... = AW?

I'm still none the wiser...

Just more confused...

I'll work it out one day!

Got it!

Alan Watt! I looked in the conspiritainment section.

I've never heard of him...

[thirdwave]

:D Hi Thirdwave,

I don't know Lizzy and neither do I know you, however, I recognise the Truth that you both speak/project...and it's that energy that I seek to connect with...!! I have no reason to defend you, Lizzy nor anyone else frequenting this DI forum...!!

cool, it was just odd how you starting to advice me on the things I was advising her, due to the posts that I forwarded to you..


Otherwise, I'm afraid, you're simply turning this thread into a "DI followers" vs "AW followers" issue...!? :confused:

No I was not, that was brought up once Lizzy was trying to insult my inteligence for not having blind faith in her views... I simply then pointed out it was clear what agenda she has and why she is so quick to claim people are agents and how she will mock and disregard the very things the elite brace for empowerment... And it is you more so now who is creating that side of it because you chose to ignore the point I made and advise me of the same thing when it clearly was not me who was oppressive to ones views... as I have pointed out to you.

Tbh, I don't see much difference with your and Lizzy's stance, regarding the "Fulford & Zagami - Illuminati announcement" video & relating issues...so, imho, I simply cannot see the "big fuss", especially you, are making...!? :confused: :D

I was not, I declared that I would not longer debate the subject with her.. it is you who has contiuned it :)

And there is a big diforence to what we are saying.. She is saying that these people are working with the Rockerfellas to put out some kind of agenda, which is a huge statment ... it means they are supporting the NWO agenda and actuly going to huge lengths to do what they are doing in favour of the NWO.

I on the other hand was saying that there really is no proof than this is the case, and in most cases there really is no proof. But there is every chance that these people are simply seizing the opportunity to make money, by pulling people in.... there for they do not necessary support the NWO, nor do they work for anyone within it, but they try to benefit from it at the cost of putting info out there that may be totally wrong, but they are not bothered as long as they bring in some cash...

So there is a huge difference between the two.

I point out again that my suspicion is very much tangible and her mocking of it in favour of what she deems as fact is what the issue really is. And why I brought up the AW saga, because it works under the same ignorant perspective and method of debate...

Propaganda > belief> confrontation

over

Suspicion > open mind > debate

the second is far more healthy... and those who push the first are either the real agents or the idiots of the movement IMO.

No one here knows the truth and those that claim they do are simply bullshitters.


I'd be happy to debate you on this "Fulford & Zagami" video/issue, if that is what you'd like...? However, let me just ask this, though, that we stick to the topic and refrain from focussing on background, unconnected or personal issues...!? ;) :)

lol, you are clearly a straw man, that is very clear now. I refer to the thread to find the solution to keeping the thread on topic.... I cant promise how I will defend my opinions and character... and should not need to.


Dunno bout you, but I certainly would not like to see this thread dumped in the "rant room ", do you...!? :D


LOL, I will refere you to my last comment to Lizzy

"you are simply a computer program and with that I will refrain from getting sucked into another ignorant debate with a program"

So your peace keeping methods leave a lot to be desired ;)

[thirdwave]

Alan Snot... = AW?

I'm still none the wiser...

Just more confused...

I'll work it out one day!

Got it!

Alan Watt! I looked in the conspiritainment section.

I've never heard of him...

Im sure Lizzy will fill you in :)

I will give a one sided assessment, she will be much more balanced :D

[tusme]

cool, it was just odd how you starting to advice me on the things I was advising her, due to the posts that I forwarded to you..

No I was not, that was brought up once Lizzy was trying to insult my inteligence for not having blind faith in her views... I simply then pointed out it was clear what agenda she has and why she is so quick to claim people are agents and how she will mock and disregard the very things the elite brace for empowerment... And it is you more so now who is creating that side of it because you chose to ignore the point I made and advise me of the same thing when it clearly was not me who was oppressive to ones views... as I have pointed out to you.

I was not, I declared that I would not longer debate the subject with her.. it is you who has contiuned it :)

And there is a big diforence to what we are saying.. She is saying that these people are working with the Rockerfellas to put out some kind of agenda, which is a huge statment ... it means they are supporting the NWO agenda and actuly going to huge lengths to do what they are doing in favour of the NWO.

I on the other hand was saying that there really is no proof than this is the case, and in most cases there really is no proof. But there is every chance that these people are simply seizing the opportunity to make money, by pulling people in.... there for they do not necessary support the NWO, nor do they work for anyone within it, but they try to benefit from it at the cost of putting info out there that may be totally wrong, but they are not bothered as long as they bring in some cash...

So there is a huge difference between the two.

I point out again that my suspicion is very much tangible and her mocking of it in favour of what she deems as fact is what the issue really is. And why I brought up the AW saga, because it works under the same ignorant perspective and method of debate...

Propaganda > belief> confrontation

over

Suspicion > open mind > debate

the second is far more healthy... and those who push the first are either the real agents or the idiots of the movement IMO.

No one here knows the truth and those that claim they do are simply bullshitters.

lol, you are clearly a straw man, that is very clear now. I refer to the thread to find the solution to keeping the thread on topic.... I cant promise how I will defend my opinions and character... and should not need to.

LOL, I will refere you to my last comment to Lizzy

"you are simply a computer program and with that I will refrain from getting sucked into another ignorant debate with a program"

So your peace keeping methods leave a lot to be desired ;)
Hi Thirdwave,

I've already stated, previously, you're a very intelligent man...however, when you persist in turning debates into a "personal issue", then I really do wonder about that intelligence...!? :confused:

Let me explain, when people feel the need to constantly debate others on a personal level, then to me, it's a clear indication that that person wants to reduce the other's (Truth) vibrational frequencies to their or even below their own vibrational levels...in the hope of-course, that they will win the debate at that level...!?

Anyway, I hope that is not your MO...however, now you know the Truth of you actions, please, I hope we don't go there again...co's I honestly don't want to engage you on such a level...!!

As regards, your and Lizzy's opinions, re, this "Fulford & Zagami" issue, now that you've both expressed you opinions, why do you still feel the need to "hold each other" at that vibrational frequency...!?

You see, Thirdwave, the way I see it, both you and Lizzy's interpretations produce a Truth, that this "Fulford & Zagami" meeting will more than likely, only produce a negative energy...bottom line is, none of them can be trusted...!!

Unfortunately, what you're doing is, argueing about how they can't be trusted...why!? :confused:

Tbh, even my opinion, achieved the exact same conclusion (as your's and Lizzy's), yet I didn't "tear" into you, Lizzy, or anyone else for that matter, did I...!?

Good luck to both you and Lizzy...!! ;) :)

[thirdwave]

Hi Thirdwave,

I've already stated, previously, you're a very intelligent man...however, when you persist in turning debates into a "personal issue", then I really do wonder about that intelligence...!? :confused:

Let me explain, when people feel the need to constantly debate others on a personal level, then to me, it's a clear indication that that person wants to reduce the other's (Truth) vibrational frequencies to their or even below their level...in the hope of-course, that they will win the debate at that level...!?

Anyway, I hope that is not you MO...however, now you know the Truth of you actions, please, I hope we don't go there again...co's I honestly don't want to engage you on such a level...!!

As regards, your and Lizzy's opinions, re, this "Fulford & Zagami" issue, now that you've both expressed you opinions, why do you still feel the need to "hold each other" at that vibrational frequency...!?

You see, Thirdwave, the way I see it, both you and Lizzy's interpretations produce a Truth, that this "Fulford & Zagami" meeting will more than likely, only produce a negative energy...bottom line is, none of them can be trusted...!!

Unfortunately, what you're doing is, argueing about how they can't be trusted...why!? :confused:

Tbh, even my opinion, achieved the exact same conclusion (as your's and Lizzy's), yet I didn't "tear" into you, Lizzy, or anyone else for that matter, did I...!?

Good luck to both you and Lizzy...!! ;) :)


It is hard for me to remain peaceful when you keep deliberately overlooking my point and making implications about what I am saying... the only peaceful option for me would be to ignore you.. all people have a right to their views and should not be mocked for them... allthough we all have a right to chalange them with fair debate...

If you are un able to see why I was picking at Lizzy's behavior then I fail to see any point in this discussion.

I have made my point very clear and I remain in the stance that I do not respect Lizzys intention on this forum.

IMO she promotes fear and ignorance... and is always very quick to piss on any fire she can spot.

I have explained why I think this and this is my opinion... I have judged you simply on the way you have deliberately ignored what I was saying and implied my defence on this thread as a form of oppression on another.

simple as that.

The thread is here for all to read, go back and see.

[majorlee]

Thanks for the links.
It looks like Benjamin Fulford is on Cocaine.


he is 'tweakin' that is for sure - mostly comes from meth/speed addicts

seeing these two guys together was a complete shock :eek: - i had to check it out since i have seem interviews of these guys individually and i would have never thought they would be on the same camera!

they talk about and come up with some good ideas on that video, in the past ben talks of love and harmony, but leo, deep down in my own personal feelings is a confused and frightening person, i never heard demons speak until i heard him on an interview once.

i really dunno what to make of it - it all just seems to crazy and planned this way

i kinda feel sorry for them both tho

[tusme]

It is hard for me to remain peaceful when you keep deliberately overlooking my point and making implications about what I am saying... the only peaceful option for me would be to ignore you.. all people have a right to their views and should not be mocked for them... allthough we all have a right to chalange them with fair debate...

If you are un able to see why I was picking at Lizzy's behavior then I fail to see any point in this discussion.

I have made my point very clear and I remain in the stance that I do not respect Lizzys intention on this forum.

IMO she promotes fear and ignorance... and is always very quick to piss on any fire she can spot.

I have explained why I think this and this is my opinion... I have judged you simply on the way you have deliberately ignored what I was saying and implied my defence on this thread as a form of oppression on another.

simple as that.

The thread is here for all to read, go back and see.
Just what is it you want for me to do, re "your point"...!? :confused: Accept it as my own, before you'll be convinced, that I haven't overlooked your opinion...is that it!? :confused: :)

You simply can't help yourself can you...!? I said if before, your issue with Lizzy is a personal one...you said it weren't, but, now you're proving me right...!!

Please, show me where, in this thread, did Lizzy's posts "promote fear and ignorance"...!? :confused:

Give it bone, already...mate!?

Hmm...this is getting more and more ridiculous...!! Hope that's not your purpose, is it...!? :confused: :)

[elirien]

Ah come on people. He says post proof with your accusation. That couldn't be that hard to understand right? Who cares who Fulford represents. He said obvious things. Leo the same. What's also obvious is that you can't heal evil done in secrecy by working in membership based societies. Bye bye thread.

If they really want to do some good they would be rather exposing some new faces and things that we should avoid. Fulford could for example expose the Masons of Asia. Now that would be something new and good to add on the "avoid these dudes" list.

[lizzy]

If they really want to do some good they would be rather exposing some new faces and things that we should avoid. Fulford could for example expose the Masons of Asia. Now that would be something new and good to add on the "avoid these dudes" list.

well said elirien.

[thirdwave]

Just what is it you want for me to do, re "your point"...!? :confused: Accept it as my own, before you'll be convinced, that I haven't overlooked your opinion...is that it!? :confused: :)

Read the thread and look at it would be a start... I don't care what you point is.. we are not talking about your point you are talking about my views on Lizzy when I objected to how she was stating something as fact (which was not) and how she atempted to belittle my opinion.

then you come along and try to educate me on allowing others a view point, when I was arguing that very fact my self...

This is why I felt you may well be a staw man because it was very odd how you by passed that very relevant part of the debate.

I dont care who you agree with..



You simply can't help yourself can you...!? I said if before, your issue with Lizzy is a personal one...you said it weren't, but, now you're proving me right...!!

I did not say it was not... again you dont even seem to be reading whats on the thread, I said I do not respect Lizzys motives on this forum and told you why (so that is not denying it is it??) ... I said that my reason for disagreeing on this thread was because of the reasons I had put forward not because I generally don't like her motives... is that to much to grasp?



Please, show me where, in this thread, did Lizzy's posts "promote fear and ignorance"...!? :confused:
No I wont, because I never said she promoted fear and ignorance with posts on this thread as such, I told you what I thought of her contradiction to the forum which goes beyond this thread, your constant attempts to twist my views here are boring me now.. I don't buy it dude :), in case you had not noticed.

However I do point out that she is promoting ignorance on this forum now you bring it up, as before I pointed it out, she would have been happy to let anyone believe she was talking facts when she was not... hence promoting ignorance.. and not knowledge.



Give it bone, already...mate!?

Hmm...this is getting more and more ridiculous...!! Hope that's not your purpose, is it...!? :confused: :)

lol, nice try old chap....

Now go and make her breakfast :rolleyes:

I will no longer contribute to the hi jacking of the thread.

[tusme]

Read the thread and look at it would be a start... I don't care what you point is.. we are not talking about your point you are talking about my views on Lizzy when I objected to how she was stating something as fact (which was not) and how she atempted to belittle my opinion.

then you come along and try to educate me on allowing others a view point, when I was arguing that very fact my self...

This is why I felt you may well be a staw man because it was very odd how you by passed that very relevant part of the debate.

I dont care who you agree with..

I did not say it was not... again you dont even seem to be reading whats on the thread, I said I do not respect Lizzys motives on this forum and told you why (so that is not denying it is it??) ... I said that my reason for disagreeing on this thread was because of the reasons I had put forward not because I generally don't like her motives... is that to much to grasp?

No I wont, because I never said she promoted fear and ignorance with posts on this thread as such, I told you what I thought of her contradiction to the forum which goes beyond this thread, your constant attempts to twist my views here are boring me now.. I don't buy it dude :), in case you had not noticed.

However I do point out that she is promoting ignorance on this forum now you bring it up, as before I pointed it out, she would have been happy to let anyone believe she was talking facts when she was not... hence promoting ignorance.. and not knowledge.

lol, nice try old chap....

Now go and make her breakfast :rolleyes:

I will no longer contribute to the hi jacking of the thread.
10 700+ posts, as a DI forumer, and yet you're still intent on trashing your own (energy) vibrational frequency's...!? :confused: And I'm the "strawman"...!? :confused: :)

Mate, you're reckless...!! :D

[thirdwave]

10 700+ posts, as a DI forumer, and yet you're still intent on trashing your own (energy) vibrational frequency's...!? :confused: And I'm the "strawman"...!? :confused: :)

Mate, you're reckless...!! :D


i am perfectly happy with my vibration frequency's, thanks for the concern! lol, I feel more so that others try to prevent truth vibrations.. and would much rather promote dead ends... either because an open mind makes some feel insecure or some people are just arse holes...

and my post count here is not some kind of degree lol...

thanks for your very balanced view of this debate ;)

[tusme]

i am perfectly happy with my vibration frequency's, thanks for the concern! lol, I feel more so that others try to prevent truth vibrations.. and would much rather promote dead ends... either because an open mind makes some feel insecure or some people are just arse holes...

and my post count here is not some kind of degree lol...

thanks for your very balanced view of this debate ;)
But, Thirdwave, how in this thread, was Lizzy actually "promoting dead ends"...!? :confused:

I don't know who the "open minds", "insecure" or the "arse holes" are, and quite frankly, I don't care...!! :D

As far as I could tell, Lizzy was on topic but more importantly, expressing a genuine conviction, which imho, was not dissimilar to mine or even your opinion...!? :confused:

Of-course your "post count is not a degree", never said so, did I...? :D ...it is a good indicator of a person's knowledge, though, ain't it...!? :)

I mean, it's not simply 10 700+ useless posts, are they...!? :rolleyes: :)

Take it easy, mate...!! ;)

[thirdwave]

Ah come on people. He says post proof with your accusation. That couldn't be that hard to understand right?

simple as that.


If they really want to do some good they would be rather exposing some new faces and things that we should avoid. Fulford could for example expose the Masons of Asia. Now that would be something new and good to add on the "avoid these dudes" list.

They are to processed, and if he is so set on saving the place, why charge £15 for his interview?..... He has said they were an alliance with a mission and a very powerful one... but not powerful enough to have to charge %15 for an interview...

[lizzy]

http://benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html

rense was where Fulford was given his first "airing"...I originally be-lie-ved there may have been some validity but it soon became obvious it was just more smoke and mirrors for the those endevering to seek truth.

His website is without merit ....and if his 'links' (other than rense) is what he considers "truth" sites , well ......I'll say no more, LOL;)

[el jefe]

So general consensus is????

Who is this Asian group of 6 million people???

[liquidswords]

I'm amazed that people fall for this nonsense. It's like watching people in the old west buy snakeoil. It's like New Labour propaganda

Pretty much, yeah.

Fluford is just.. I dunno. I think he just plays at being this big illuminati exposer hot-shot type.. not convincing at all to anyone I would hope..