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synergy777
27-07-2007, 02:32 PM
Britain's youths 'the worst behaved in Europe'

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Britain's youths 'the worst behaved in Europe'
By Sarah Womack, Social Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:52am GMT 03/11/2006


Britain's teenagers are the worst behaved in Europe, according to a left-of-centre think-tank.

The UK was at, or close to, the top on a number of indicators of bad behaviour, including drugs, drink, violence and promiscuity, said the Institute for Public Policy Research.

Recent studies investigated by the IPPR show British 15-year-olds are drunk more often, involved in more fights and are more likely to have had sex compared with their counterparts in Germany, France and Italy.

One 2003 study suggested that 38 per cent of 15-year-old British children had tried cannabis, as opposed to just seven per cent in Sweden and 27 per cent in Germany.

According to the IPPR, the studies suggest British adolescents can be defined by how they spend their spare time.

Whereas 45 per cent of 15-year-old boys in England and 59 per cent in Scotland spend most evenings with friends, in France that figure stands at just 17 per cent.

On the continent, teenagers are more likely to sit down to a meal with their parents. In Italy 93 per cent eat regularly with their families, compared with 64 per cent in the UK.

Nick Pearce, director of the IPPR, told the BBC the figures pointed to "increasing disconnection" between children and adults, with youngsters learning how to behave from each other.

He said: "Because they don’t have that structured interaction with adults, it damages their life chances."

The report also says that stable and consistent parenting is more important than whether parents are married when predicting whether children will succeed in life.

The number of cohabiting men and women aged between 25 and 44 has increased nearly six-fold between 1973 and 2004.

The IPPR says that a warm and loving relationship with a parent can override the impact of living in a lone-parent family.

However, this depends on whether that parent can spend "quality time" with the child. A spokesman for the IPPR said no more details of the study would be released until publication of the report on Monday.

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Youth clubs won't tame the teenage yobs
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 27/07/2007

Table tennis, tatty sofas and tank tops

As British teens are declared the worst behaved in Europe, Sue Palmer says the reasons are obvious but short-term gimmicks are not the answer. Plus Philip Johnston on youth clubs then and now

The air is filled with the sound of stable doors slamming. Now that British teenagers are officially the worst behaved in Europe, policy-makers of all complexions are battling it out to dream up half-baked schemes to redeem them. But can anyone seriously imagine today’s disaffected youth thronging to join in the ‘‘fun activities’’ of a youth club in every town, as suggested by Ed Balls, the Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families, in a multi-million pound scheme to keep them out of trouble by providing them with more ‘‘facilities’’?


Cool or fool: Lack of parental time, consumerism and educational policies have all contributed to teenage problems And as for the Institute for Public Policy Research’s suggestion of a legal extension of the school day, well that sounds suspiciously like internment. You’d need barbed wire to keep them in.

An alarming number of young people are now seriously damaged by the fall-out of 20 years of social and cultural change. Rather than trying to stick Elastoplast on the gaping wounds appearing in society, we should be looking at what’s gone so comprehensively wrong and trying to put it right. And, most critically, acknowledging that the problems start long before the teenage years.

Earlier this year, Unicef informed us that, on a wide range of measures of well-being, British children scored lower than any others in the developed world.

We can’t be surprised if unhappy children turn into self-destructive and anti-social adolescents. But, as one of the richest, most successful nations, we should be asking what’s gone wrong with childhood.

The answer isn’t rocket science. In the process of becoming so wealthy and successful, we took our eye off the ball in terms of rearing our young. We lost track of certain essential and very obvious ingredients for healthy child development – real food (as opposed to processed junk), real play (as opposed to sedentary screen-based entertainment), real education (not just the pursuit of test results and targets) and, perhaps most important of all, the opportunity for children to spend time talking to and learning from the loving adults in their lives.

It wasn’t that the adults of Britain stopped caring about our children. We just stopped caring about childcare. A competitive consumer economy depends on people believing that stuff is more important than relationships.

You’re a winner if you’ve got stuff, a loser if you haven’t. So earning enough for a new kitchen matters more than chatting to the children in the old one. Buying children off with the latest wide-screen television or PlayStation beats hanging around at home while they go out to play.

The day-to-day personal attention needed to nurture and civilise a child disappeared – because we just didn’t value it. As a harassed mother said recently to a nursery worker I met: ‘‘I don’t have time to bring up my child.’’ She’s far too busy out earning the money to pay the nursery fees.

Government policy has helped this problem on its way. New Labour’s twin aims were a strong economy and social justice. To achieve the former, they allowed the market to develop without restraint; to achieve the latter, they took unprecedented control of education.

In the absence of parental time and attention, the forces of marketing and education increasingly mould our children’s lives and minds. Marketers are deeply interested in children.

In the past decade, they’ve recognised the vast potential for generating sales through pester power and ‘‘guilt money’’ (parents buying presents to compensate for their lack of presence at home).

The nag factor is now a vital element in selling a vast range of products, from junk food to family holidays, to cars. And since most children now have a television in their bedroom, access to the minds of the next generation of consumers is startlingly easy.

Multi-million dollar budgets and the services of top psychologists are now devoted to winning children for particular brands by the promotion of a ‘‘cool’’ lifestyle – sexy, superficial, self-obsessed. Children learn early that winners are cool and losers aren’t.

It would be nice to think that education might counter the culture of cool by introducing children to other sources of human satisfaction – intellectual inquiry, art, music, sport – civilising and hopefully socialising them along the way.

But when government sets tough targets for achievement in national tests and ignores everything else, schools begin to focus exclusively on exam results, and the prospect of a wider, more liberal education flies out of the window.

These ham-fisted policies have also managed to infect education with a winners or losers ethic. Children from middle-class homes tend to do better in tests, so they’ve been winners from the start, while those from poorer backgrounds have sunk to the bottom.

To try to even things up, the Department for Education and Skills has tightened the screws on failing schools with even more targets – this year there are even some for language development at the age of five. But, like most of life’s important lessons, basic language skills are caught, not taught.

Children learn to talk through interaction with their parents and other adults at home. If, as is increasingly the case, they turn up at school with little previous experience beyond staring at a screen they’re in no fit state to enter the educational hurdles race.

Disadvantaged children today (especially boys, who lag behind girls in developmental terms) are the victims of a double whammy. An obsessively competitive education policy, hyper-controlled from the centre, means they’re victims at a very early age of a culture of failure at school. And a completely unregulated market economy then scoops them up into a self-indulgent – and ultimately self-destructive – culture of cool.

It’s no good trying to counter the effects of this mess with more state-sponsored ‘‘edu-care’’. For care to work, it has to be personal – full-time for tiny babies, quite a lot of time for the under-fives, and around the edges of the school day for older children.

It’s personal care that provides children with emotional resilience and a sense of social responsibility. Handing them over to state institutions doesn’t work. And leaving them at the mercy of predatory market forces is just neglectful.

In the long run, the pursuit of stuff is nowhere near as important for society as making sure that all our children get the love, time and attention they need.

What society needs is a complete overhaul of work-life balance and attitudes to child-rearing. Lame suggestions for engaging those youngsters we’ve already failed in ‘‘fun activities’ or compulsory extra hours in school aren’t just laughable, they’re tragic.

Table tennis, tatty sofas and tank tops

I can just about remember it. An overlit, large hall, attached to the church. There was one table-tennis table, invariably occupied, a couple of tatty sofas and a battered record player in the corner playing T-Rex. Cups of orange juice were lined up on a trestle table, behind which stood an earnest, older – though still young – man in an Arran sweater, who ran what we called a youth club.

It was an alternative to hanging around on the streets of north Kent, but a better one only when it was raining or below zero.

There were girls; but they loftily ignored the scrofulous, high-voiced adolescents in their tank tops and hung around those 15-year-olds who could already grow sideburns and looked 25. After all, they could get them a drink in the pub and probably offered something more, though we were never quite clear what until later.

We were the beneficiaries, if that was the word, from the findings of the Albermarle committee, which ushered in a golden age for youth provision. Before us, most young people were in the Scouts or the Boys’ Brigade. If they weren’t, they were probably about to start work, or in an apprenticeship, or even contemplating marriage.

By the beginning of the Seventies, however, a demographic surge of hormone-packed teenagers clearly threatened the stability of the nation. If we’d had the money to buy alcopops and vodka, we would have been the drunken terrors of the earth, as a think-tank study has suggested today’s youngsters are.

But the most our pocket money ran to was a bottle of cider – if we could find someone old enough and sufficiently irresponsible to buy one for us from the off-licence. Otherwise, we just hung around on the street, looking about as menacing and as feral as a flock of budgies.

So, what to do with us? Lady Albemarle’s answer was the youth club. Her 1960 report triggered a huge expansion of such centres, staffed by paid, full-time youth workers. It established a national youth service with the avowed aim ‘‘to encourage young people to come together into groups of their own choosing’’. The report called them ‘‘an opportunity for commitment, an opportunity for counsel and an opportunity for self-determination.’’

We saw them as an opportunity to pick up – or, let’s face it, not pick up – girls.

By the time we came along more than a decade after Albermarle, the youth club was probably past its heyday. Better television offered a reason to stay indoors. Schools began to provide more extra-curricular activities for the larger numbers remaining for A-levels and university. As the years went by, video games and internet cafes appeared far more enticing than standing around in an embarrassed huddle in a church hall.

Youth clubs all but disappeared, or so we were led to believe. Then, yesterday, we learnt that they are to be revived in a £124m investment paid for with money purloined by the Government from unclaimed bank assets, which is the sort of larcenous activity youth clubs were meant to avert.

Beverley Hughes, the children’s minister, said these new centres would be "exciting, modern, up-to-date places" – so they are evidently not modelled on their precursors. For some reason, she was of the view that growing up today was more ‘‘difficult and complex’’ than it was for us.

Well, at least today’s teenagers will not have to worry about having nowhere to go. In Bermondsey, south London, for instance, they can trot along to the new £10m Salmon Youth Centre, due to open soon on a site where a youth club has existed for 100 years. It is run by a Christian organisation, but any similarity with the draughty church hall of blessed memory ends there.

This is an all-purpose, multi-storeyed shrine to ‘‘Yoof’’, with a sports hall offering badminton, five-a-side football, basketball, volleyball, indoor hockey and trampolining. There are changing rooms and showers for 70 people, a fitness studio, bike store and workshop and a climbing wall.

For the artistically inclined, there are rehearsal and music studios, an art and craft room, seminar and training rooms, work and study spaces, training kitchen, reprographics and an IT suite. Then there is a large social area, chapel, group work rooms, volunteer and staff accommodation, minibus parking and camp store.

For goodness sake, there is even a counselling room. Now, that’s where we would have spent most of our time.

Sue Palmer is author of "Toxic Childhood: How Modern Life Is Damaging Our Children and What We Can Do About It" (Orion, £7.99)

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eternal_spirit
28-07-2007, 01:41 PM
LOL blame the kids. Some of it's probably true. Thing is kids in those other European Countries can drink and have sex at an earlier age by law than those in the UK.

synergy777
28-07-2007, 06:35 PM
its culture, the values which are praised are what, wealth/sex, thats it. no one cares if you are educated, good, just if you are rich. people judge eachother on what? clothes, hair, car, house etc. everybody is dead inside so they look for products to show people what they are its sad. definition by aquisition/consumption, is my view.

people need to stop looking up/forward and count their blessings. there are people living in huts, shanty towns, starving. every night here we can choose what we eat etc, have a roof over our heads, etc. people are so busying trying to catch up, overtake, they fail to realise what they are blessed with. we need to teach the youth its you as a person whats the most important, not what clothes, cars, you buy. its personality not labels/brands that makes the person. i take advantage, guage people's reactions with clothes, words etc. go through a grunge stage eg people look down on you, put on a english suit, swiss watch, and they kiss your arse, its the artificial behaviour of people i like to watch, like lab rats with stimuli, lol

see i would like to go through life just being me, but the ignorant prats we are surrounded by, power the agenda with their vanity and insecurity.i could quite happily wear trainers, jeans, hoodies all my life, but alas the phillistines demand suitable attire, lol clothes are for a function, thats it really.

we need to correct the culture, its consumer based and offers no real satisfaction/solution, you are only happy until the next product comes along. i feel sorry for the kids, the elders are lost themselves and pass their views on. see its the elders that are the problem, kids are a product of their history and society, which is controlled by who? the 16 yr old ceo of mtv, lol then their are good parents who try to be educate the kids against this, but they get pressure from their peers, and usually get labelled in negative terms, eg hippies, lefties, etc.

eternal_spirit
28-07-2007, 07:37 PM
synergy I agree. Clothes, designer labels etc are seen as a status symbol, even among the poor kids. If they knew that the people who made these products...... the workers are paid pittance compared to the bosses who make vast amounts of cash, would they see things differently.

I'm sure most when they grow up can see through the scam and will accept people for who they are not what they own.
As for misbehaving, alot of that is part of growing up and they will learn by mistakes. Some of the so called bad kids can turn into fine adults.

cruise4
28-07-2007, 08:37 PM
"Some of the so called bad kids can turn into fine adults."

A suprising thing I've found is some of them can turn into fine 9/11 truthers.
Its just what some of these kids need, an explanation, and a cause, because really they have had their hopes shattered and don't understand it. Try it.

aizzy
28-07-2007, 09:59 PM
During the 1st century AD (year 100), glass had been invented and the Romans were looking through the glass and testing it. They experimented with different shapes of clear glass and one of their samples was thick in the middle and thin on the edges. They discovered that if you held one of these “lenses” over an object, the object would look larger:confused:*

''this is only a test.:. i have seen this lense they talk of, its called material wealth,we are made to believe that these things we pay for with (H)money that is given too us by the Queen in Her realm is what will make one'z life's feel larger''

Someone also discovered that you can focus the rays of the sun with one of these special “glasses” and start a fire. These early lenses were called magnifiers or burning glasses. The word lens by the way, is derived from the latin word lentil, as they were named because they resembled the shape of a lentil bean (look up lens in a dictionary).


''i know what he means, they discovered that if they could focus on what gives each of us are own rush they could set fire to the idea in are brain that we want it....need it, after a while they/we called it customer service like they/we called the myth of the caring one God.''


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Britain's adults are the worst to witch hunt their teenagers in Europe, according to a middle-of-centre think-tank.
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The problem is that adults today, or shall we say energy with old leather skin, thinks thier kids are going 'tits up' coz of drugs and porn and horror.
When really the adults are losing it, they are not in the same world they were born, they get lost on how they see their childern jumping off the edge with ideas of their own about the chef god of this ending age Money{Yomen}.

Free the weed england stop the fighting with the parents, they only fight coz its ill-eagle!

We are a band of marching spirits, smoking herb dancing of the demons body.
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Why do they fear the weed, will it bore a new mind set of aloud link to mother earth, they they they, who are they childern of neo-babylon,
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They are they people that cut down trees to write on them to not be keepen on a secret shelf, News papers your time is up, free the weed or will smoke your words on paper like rizla.
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Have you just read all that bollock^

if yee did yee must be bored*

cruise4
28-07-2007, 11:12 PM
There were some gems in there!

paolo
29-07-2007, 12:37 AM
Hello cruise 4 - delighted to see you here as well as 9/11.
The children could be well bred if we had the slowgrown Afghani black as from the old days, before the country was turned over to an opium growing nation defended by British troops for friendly opium growing and processed to appear on European streets as heroin.
The skunk is higher THC argument is entirely false and only applies to the rocky black mafia dope so widely available up until recently - I'm pretty sure that the bulk of that strange supposedly Morrocan dope was cut with diazepam anyway.
The old cannabis was a lot stronger, trippier, less anxiety producing than any skunk.
The market is totally controlled and no wonder the kids are going off the rails

cruise4
29-07-2007, 01:26 AM
Hi Paolo Likewise... are you from Afghanistan? Would welcome a resident national giving us the real perspective.

If you are, my apologies, and rest assured we are doing what we can, in our limited way, to get the fuckers out, for their own sake and yours.

PS. I'm sat here with no dope, you'r doing my head in!

paolo
29-07-2007, 01:42 AM
Hi Paolo Likewise... are you from Afghanistan? Would welcome a resident national giving us the real perspective.

If you are, my apologies, and rest assured we are doing what we can, in our limited way, to get the fuckers out, for their own sake and yours.

PS. I'm sat here with no dope, you'r doing my head in!
Nope - just me in jolly old England, just viewing the world as it is. Just viewing the world as it is is a high enough, isn't it. I feel an alignment with the Afghanis having smoked their finest black resin with the crystallinisation of the THC in 1972, you know crystals formed on the outside of the block of resin, much much better than any skunk, and with no schizo after effects
And then there was the weed of 1969 which was heavy and wet with resin and the smoking of which sent you on a trip to somewhere. African origin

sibe
29-07-2007, 01:54 AM
it's all the plastic and other crap they squeeze into tac now, their getting intoxicated it's probably safer sucking on a car exhaust :) the days of double zero and some nice posh black have gone ... No discipline in Schools, Police constantly moving and hassling kids, scum breeding with scum etc not surprised really, makes we wonder though how the hell they get these surveys acuritly done.